1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,160 Speaker 1: Joe morning to you. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike. I'm sorry but that I think we've 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: got security blocking signals here around Saint Peter's Square. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Isn't it one of the ironic things that people men 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: who have given their life to the church can't be 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: trusted to take a phone inside. 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: Well, they've been in there now for almost three hours, 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: and I'm starting to think have they come to a 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: decision in the first round that we may even have 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: a pope this evening, because this is really unusual. Even 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: though we know that we have one hundred and thirty 12 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: three in there, that's a high number than we've had 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: in the past, but this seems really unusual. 14 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so unusually. I was going to ask, what is 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: it they've done other than lobbying each other for the 16 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: past two weeks, and therefore, why wouldn't it quick vote? 17 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 18 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: Well, they've had plenty of time to wine and dine 19 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: in various restaurants around town and meet for coffee in 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: various cafes. But yeah, I mean, I thought it would 21 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: be a quick vote tonight, that we would see some 22 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: votes for the lead contender. The Secretary of State, Pietro Parolin, 23 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: who seems to have, according to media reports, around fifty votes, 24 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: but of course that could change. I mean, is it 25 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: possible that he has managed to put together eighty nine 26 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: and have that majority that he needs to be Pope 27 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: this evening? I think he would be the likely contender. 28 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: Otherwise we're going to have a split vote tonight and 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 2: then we'll be back here tomorrow. But we're still waiting 30 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: for that smoke in Saint Peter's Square. 31 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: What time is it eight or nine? 32 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: It's almost nine o'clock and as we know, many of 33 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: those cardinals are quite elderly, and they have to come 34 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: back early tomorrow morning. So it's quite unusual that this 35 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: is dragging on. 36 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: Okay, if it's the front runner that you mentioned, what 37 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: do we know of him? 38 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: If it is Cardinal Pietro Paroline, he has been a 39 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: diplomat all his life. He's been a faithful and loyal 40 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: Secretary of State, working closely with Pope Francis. He went 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: to Moscow in twenty nineteen, long before the conflict with Ukraine. 42 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: He's quite reserved. He would not see the sort of 43 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: character that would electrify the church, but he would be 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 2: considered a safe pair of hands and a moderate that 45 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: would bring together various factions. I think inside that conclave. 46 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: You are literally embedded. So you sleep, weear eat where 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: what happens for you. 48 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: I'm just a couple of blocks away from Saint Peters Square. 49 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: I'll be following every boat in the next couple of 50 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: days if we have more. And it's hard to get 51 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: me sleep at the moment because it's all happening, and 52 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: there are thousands of people here in the square waiting 53 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: to see the smoke. 54 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: It is amazing, isn't it. I take it. You can 55 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: see the chimney. 56 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: I can see the chimney from where I'm standing. The 57 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: Basilica looks magnificent tonight. There's a clear blue sky and 58 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 2: a few stars. It's really amazing. But the crowd is 59 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: getting restless. Some people are leaving, and some have started 60 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: the slow clapping that usually expected, as. 61 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: That's such a social media age thing, isn't I mean, 62 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: it's the election of a pope. I mean, just r 63 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: this boring. It's been going on an hour and a 64 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: half now, I mean, get over yourself. What had they done? 65 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: And I do remember when Francis got elected the seagull 66 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: thing on the roof that they done anything about that. 67 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: Well, there were a few more seagulls floating around tonight 68 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: and I have to say as soon as one popped 69 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: up close to the chimney, the photographers were madly snapping, 70 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: so plenty of action on that chimney in seagull. 71 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: Land hanging there. Job. Nice to talk to you, Joe McKenna, 72 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: who is embedded at the Vatican waiting for the smoke. 73 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 74 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: news talks. 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