WEBVTT - How the Royals are coping after a year of health issues and ongoing tensions

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<v Speaker 1>Kyota.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a

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<v Speaker 2>daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four was a difficult year for the royal family, with

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<v Speaker 2>King Charles and the Princess of Wales both going public

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<v Speaker 2>with cancer diagnoses which required lengthy treatment that took them

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<v Speaker 2>out of the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 1>Things have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking rosier for the family so far this year, and

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<v Speaker 2>the King is even flexing his diplomatic muscles in a

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<v Speaker 2>visit to Canada amidst tensions between the country and the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. However, in recent weeks, the friction between the

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<v Speaker 2>monarchy and Prince Harry has made headlines once again. Today

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<v Speaker 2>on the front page four King's Birthday. We're joined by

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<v Speaker 2>UK correspondent Gavin Gray. Gavin, we last touched base with

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<v Speaker 2>you on the Royals a year ago, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>when the cancer diagnoses were still quite fresh.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are the King and Kate at at the moment?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, probably the easiest one to start with is Princess Kate,

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<v Speaker 3>the Princess of Wales, Catherine. She is now formally in remission,

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<v Speaker 3>so great news for her.

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<v Speaker 4>She's been seen out more and more now.

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<v Speaker 3>Although I have to say that although she's back in

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<v Speaker 3>the royal fold doing the duties and back on the roster,

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<v Speaker 3>as it were, we are seeing much less of her

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<v Speaker 3>than before the diagnosis. And I think that's a direct

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<v Speaker 3>result of the thought that actually, you know, this was

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<v Speaker 3>a very serious bump in the road for her, This

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<v Speaker 3>was a very very serious health condition. I think it

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<v Speaker 3>could have been a lot worse. I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>extremely serious, and I think it's probably made her and

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<v Speaker 3>Prince William rather take stock of the situation.

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<v Speaker 4>So obviously.

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<v Speaker 3>In March twenty twenty four, she announced that she'd been

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<v Speaker 3>die knows with cancer, and then announced that she was

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<v Speaker 3>in remission in January of this year.

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<v Speaker 4>Since we've seen her.

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<v Speaker 3>Out in about a few times, as you can imagine,

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<v Speaker 3>the scrutiny of her, how she behaves, how she looks

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<v Speaker 3>as been enormous. So good news as regards her treatment

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<v Speaker 3>for King Charles, well, he's continuing to have this treatment.

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<v Speaker 3>That recent trip to Canada, which was only twenty hours long,

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<v Speaker 3>was actually kept that short, not because he didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to stay longer, but because they were determined, I hear,

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<v Speaker 3>not to want to interrupt the usual schedule of his treatments.

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<v Speaker 3>So the treatment is ongoing. He still is, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody being treated for cancer. Prince Harry didn't really help

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<v Speaker 3>matters when he said he didn't know how much longer

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<v Speaker 3>his father had got left, which was something that lots

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<v Speaker 3>of people were quite shocked about. But there was that

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<v Speaker 3>bump in the road for him back in March when

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<v Speaker 3>he did have to cancel a couple of engagements, but

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<v Speaker 3>that was quite simply because of a side effect to

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<v Speaker 3>the most recent bout of treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well this might sound like a grim takeaway, but do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that the openness about their conditions has perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>helped humanize the royals a bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember stories at the time about how.

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<v Speaker 2>There were just massive surges and visits to cancer websites

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<v Speaker 2>after they both went public.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I absolutely have no doubt, Chelsea. Actually that's been

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<v Speaker 3>enormously important to people. I think it has made the

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<v Speaker 3>Royals seem much more human, much more like you and

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<v Speaker 3>I I think, as well, as made these visits that

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<v Speaker 3>they made to cancer hospitals and to hospitals around the

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<v Speaker 3>world seem that much more poignant. Both at the moment

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<v Speaker 3>are so in the public eye. I mean, King Charles

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<v Speaker 3>is seventy six.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Exhausting going on travel, it's exhausting chatting to people and

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<v Speaker 3>remaining on messages it were for all this time, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I think it is something that his team are

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<v Speaker 3>very careful.

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<v Speaker 4>Not to exhaust him.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, he as well, is determined

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<v Speaker 3>not to let cancer, I think, sort of identify him

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<v Speaker 3>and not to let the cancer the thing take over

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<v Speaker 3>his life. And that's why we're seeing him out and

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<v Speaker 3>about so much and doing many more visits to hospitals

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<v Speaker 3>than perhaps he might otherwise have done.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned the big news in the last week has

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<v Speaker 2>been that the King and Queen visited Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you explain to us what were they doing there?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it was hugely symbolic, actually, because the main focus

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<v Speaker 3>off his trip was the opening of the State Parliament

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<v Speaker 3>and delivering the Canadian government's message as delivered by the

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<v Speaker 3>new Prime Minister, the Liberal Prime Minister there, Mark Carney.

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<v Speaker 3>It was an interesting one because of course King Charles's

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<v Speaker 3>head of state in Canada and his mother had given

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<v Speaker 3>the previous speech from the throne as it's called, that

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<v Speaker 3>throne being a wooden walnut throne, and over the years

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose the ties between Canada and the UK part

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<v Speaker 3>of the Commonwealth. They've always been pretty close, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think things have been a little more distant over the

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<v Speaker 3>last few years. However, the reason for that trip, without doubt,

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<v Speaker 3>was the fact that Donald Trump was trying to pressure

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<v Speaker 3>Canada into becoming the fifty first state. That is something

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Carney, the Prime Minister of Canada, said is not

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<v Speaker 3>going to happen. But he would have been very pleased

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to invite King Charles over in order

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<v Speaker 3>to really round that home. At no point, to my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 3>did King Charles actually use the word Trump. But everything

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<v Speaker 3>in that opening address to the Ottawa Building, the Ottawa Parliament,

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<v Speaker 3>everything in that address was about Canada being independent, part

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<v Speaker 3>of the Commonwealth, very happy being Canada, very happy not

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<v Speaker 3>being for sale to America.

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<v Speaker 6>I've always had the greatest admiration for Canada's unique identity,

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<v Speaker 6>which is recognized across the world, for bravery and sacrifice

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<v Speaker 6>in defense of national values, and for the diversity and

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<v Speaker 6>kindness of Canadians.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess that's a sign of how the monarchy

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<v Speaker 2>can utilize itself in these kind of diplomatic sendings. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is basically the ultimate power move by Mark Kearney.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the extent of what the Royals can do

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<v Speaker 2>to show support, though, isn't it. The King would never

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<v Speaker 2>actually directly call out anything Trump is doing, would he.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a bit of a tightrope though this particular

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<v Speaker 3>trip because for King Charles, of course, Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 3>been invited to be a guest of King Charles and

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<v Speaker 3>the country later this year.

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<v Speaker 4>So King Charles really very difficult trope.

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<v Speaker 3>Walk because he's got to say all the right things

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<v Speaker 3>for Canada while he's there while not directly angering Donald Trump. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>as you say, ros go around naming and shaming. But

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<v Speaker 3>at the same time, you know, the UK is pretty

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<v Speaker 3>dependent on good trade with America and it's seen pretty

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<v Speaker 3>much a soft power to use the Royal family, who

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<v Speaker 3>we know Donald Trump is a massive fan of in

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<v Speaker 3>order to try and build bridges, and King Charles very

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<v Speaker 3>careful in Canada not to destroy any of those bridges

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<v Speaker 3>before the second visit by Donald Trump over to the

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<v Speaker 3>UK as part of his second presidential term.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think the visit to Canada will quell any

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<v Speaker 2>Republican sentiment that seems to arise whenever the Royals tend

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<v Speaker 2>to visit any of the realms.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, it won't have done any harm, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of people interviewed on the streets of Canada

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<v Speaker 3>are saying things like he's bringing us together.

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<v Speaker 4>Hearing from the king has been very good. I think

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<v Speaker 4>there is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Universal dislike of Donald Trump, almost universal in Canada, and

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<v Speaker 3>certainly an almost universal denial of wanting to be part

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<v Speaker 3>of America. And by tapping into that and by reinforcing

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<v Speaker 3>that with this visit, I think that's bound to have

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<v Speaker 3>gone down well. Canada is always an interesting one for

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<v Speaker 3>the king or queen to visit, for any monarch to visit,

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<v Speaker 3>because of course of its French British ties and being

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<v Speaker 3>you know that sort of really unusual combination part of

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<v Speaker 3>the Commonwealth, but you know, very strong French contingent among

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<v Speaker 3>some of the states in the Canada. So that's a

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<v Speaker 3>very difficult balancing act that he's had to walk. But

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<v Speaker 3>it is one that I think will have strengthen the

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<v Speaker 3>monarchy's grip as part of the Commonwealth for Canada, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a I don't think it's been a

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<v Speaker 3>great trip. I know there's all sorts of talk that

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<v Speaker 3>the King will revisit Canada, possibly next year.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they we're talking about later this year.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't see that happening, but next year and then

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<v Speaker 3>it won't be that whistle stoctor. I mean, a twenty

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<v Speaker 3>hour visit on a vow of kilometers travel is almost

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<v Speaker 3>unheard of in royal circus. So I think this is

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<v Speaker 3>all to do with the cancer and the treatment and

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<v Speaker 3>not disrupting that the regulation appointments.

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<v Speaker 4>But it is something that I.

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<v Speaker 3>Know perhaps when that is all over and that treatment

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<v Speaker 3>is done and Dustin and King Charles is feeling better,

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<v Speaker 3>he will want to go back for a longer trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have to say as well, Gavin the King

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<v Speaker 2>did skip New Zealand on his royal visit last year.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that Odawa is a little closer to London

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<v Speaker 2>than we are, of course, but have you heard any

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<v Speaker 2>rumblings of a visit down south.

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<v Speaker 3>I do know that he's absolutely desperate to get around

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<v Speaker 3>as much of the Commonwealth as possibly, particularly the much

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<v Speaker 3>closer members.

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<v Speaker 4>So yes, of course New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do know at the time from sources he

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<v Speaker 3>was absolutely gutted actually not to be able to complete

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<v Speaker 3>the tour, as was initially envisaged, although he didn't make

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<v Speaker 3>it there this time. I think New Zealand's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be pretty much top of the list for places for

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<v Speaker 3>him to visit when he's fully better. I think it

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<v Speaker 3>is simply the length of the flight's Chelsea at the

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<v Speaker 3>age of seventy six as well. I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 3>they're flying, you know, in the superb luxury and so forth,

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<v Speaker 3>but when they get there, they're really busy and they

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<v Speaker 3>can't just turn up at these events without having thought

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<v Speaker 3>about what they're going to say, without knowing who the

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<v Speaker 3>main players are. So the idea that it's just a

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<v Speaker 3>sort of jolly jaunt is rather wide at the mark,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that the King is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>very keen to get back to New Zealand, but only

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<v Speaker 3>when he can do it justice.

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<v Speaker 2>It does feel like two conversations have dominated the royals

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<v Speaker 2>in recent years. One is, of course, death, illness, succession.

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<v Speaker 2>The other, Gavin is Prince Harry. About a month ago,

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<v Speaker 2>Harry gave an interview to the BBC where he said

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<v Speaker 2>that the King won't speak to him and that he'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to reconcile with the family now that all went

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<v Speaker 2>down a bit like a lead balloon, didn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it did, and I think reconciliation is a long

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<v Speaker 3>way wide at the mark. And let's not forget. He

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<v Speaker 3>made those comments in an interview about how he had

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<v Speaker 3>failed in an appeal against effectively the British government and

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<v Speaker 3>that was all about his security level. Now, when he

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<v Speaker 3>and Megan left back in twenty twenty, they simply decided

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<v Speaker 3>that they no longer when they revisited the UK were

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<v Speaker 3>entitled to the same level of protection as they were

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<v Speaker 3>when they were a working royal. Now Prince Harry has said, look,

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<v Speaker 3>I get the most awful hate mail. You don't appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>how dangerous it is for me and my family, And

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<v Speaker 3>the Roles are saying, well, it's not like we're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to give you any protection. We're going to give

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<v Speaker 3>you the protection which we think is adequate for your

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<v Speaker 3>individual visits and each visit is measured independently by this committee. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>Harry lost his appeal again a louder another hearing with

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<v Speaker 3>regardless security, and we got a very terse statement from

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<v Speaker 3>the Royals at Buckingham Palace effectively saying we've looked at

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<v Speaker 3>all this time and again the review has come back

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<v Speaker 3>with the same conclusions that it did. It sounded like

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<v Speaker 3>a very weary parent and that's why I think reconciliation

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<v Speaker 3>is still wider than mark. It was a very odd

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<v Speaker 3>time to bring it in, having just tried to sort

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<v Speaker 3>of talk about how the government and needs to do

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<v Speaker 3>more and how Buckingham Palace is a bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>broken machine.

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<v Speaker 7>I've seen constituents in the UK rights to their mp

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<v Speaker 7>saying I don't want to as a taxpayer, I don't

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<v Speaker 7>want to pay for Megan and Harry's security at this cost.

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<v Speaker 7>They're literally quoting headlines from British newspapers. Those figures are

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<v Speaker 7>obviously grossly exaggerated by about eighteen nineteen times. And further

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<v Speaker 7>to that, if you know that other people being protected,

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<v Speaker 7>people that have made a choice for public office, would

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<v Speaker 7>you'd be comfortable happy with with with someone in my

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<v Speaker 7>position who's given thirty years thirty five years so this

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<v Speaker 7>to his country.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Harry in that interview also alleged that his father

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<v Speaker 2>could help resolve the security issues that he says are

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<v Speaker 2>preventing him from returning to the UK. And you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>that quite terse weary parentage kind of Buckingham Palace statement

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<v Speaker 2>that they said, all of these issues have been examined

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<v Speaker 2>repeatedly and meticulously by the courts. How high up does

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<v Speaker 2>a statement like that need to get signed off?

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't the weary parent that signed that off?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I suspect somebody by the cast an eye on it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think if King Charles had demanded there were

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<v Speaker 3>a change in security, there probably would have been.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, as he as was.

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<v Speaker 3>Pointed out by lots of royal watchers and lots of

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<v Speaker 3>royal experts, myself included, the King can't is not part

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<v Speaker 3>of the committee that makes the decision. And if that

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<v Speaker 3>sounds rather administrative and rather the it is the case.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, the security and the funding for

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<v Speaker 3>the roles is not for the royals to decide themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>It is for others, and King Charles getting involved would

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<v Speaker 3>have been, I think a very slippery slip. So he

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<v Speaker 3>took the attitude that the right people on that committee

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<v Speaker 3>know what they're talking about, and they are the ones

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<v Speaker 3>that should make the decision. And I think it really

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<v Speaker 3>has been another wage between father and son and also

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<v Speaker 3>between brothers. Prince William absolutely unimpressed by Prince Harry's constant

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<v Speaker 3>going back to the courts appealing these decisions, and let's

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<v Speaker 3>not forget Chelsea who's putting the bill From the government side,

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<v Speaker 3>the answer is the UK taxpayer, And if Harry wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to win over people, it just seems a funny way

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<v Speaker 3>of doing it. Plus the fact while he was in

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<v Speaker 3>the UK, admittedly not with Megan and his family, but

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<v Speaker 3>when he was in the UK he was found or

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<v Speaker 3>reported to be found in London buzzing a number of

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<v Speaker 3>front doors trying to find a friend whose address he

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't remember. Well, if you were really worried about your security,

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<v Speaker 3>would you really, as a royal somebody worried that they

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<v Speaker 3>were going to be attacked, would you wander down a

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<v Speaker 3>busy London street ringing on doorbells to see if your

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<v Speaker 3>friend lived there. It seems very odd, But there is

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<v Speaker 3>video doorbell footage of these exchanges. These videos purport to

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<v Speaker 3>be from the time he was in London for the

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<v Speaker 3>court case, so it does seem more I think probably

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<v Speaker 3>in Harry's defense, what he means is he's worried about

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<v Speaker 3>the safety of his children and Meghan, among whom There

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<v Speaker 3>is a lot of.

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<v Speaker 4>Scorn from some people at the UK.

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<v Speaker 3>But whether it's as realistic and violent as Harry's making out,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Sadly, he says he can't see a

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<v Speaker 3>time at the moment when he would bring his children

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<v Speaker 3>back over to the UK because he doesn't believe the

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<v Speaker 3>security is enough.

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<v Speaker 5>And I do remember a few years ago writing in

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<v Speaker 5>my piece and I'd put a source in there, and

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<v Speaker 5>some magazin nurse rang me up and said, can I

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<v Speaker 5>just double check this? This feels very close to the source.

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<v Speaker 5>Who's the sauce? And I said the sources X And

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<v Speaker 5>they're like, ah, okay, So you have to be very

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<v Speaker 5>careful with how you go about it. And I would

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<v Speaker 5>say the most important thing in this job, with what

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<v Speaker 5>you think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust Now, Gavin, I often see reports quoting royal sources

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<v Speaker 2>or royal insiders who are sharing bits of gossip or

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<v Speaker 2>supposed feelings from a family member of the royal family,

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<v Speaker 2>someone close to the royal family, and I do I

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<v Speaker 2>always wonder who these sources are, How real are they are,

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<v Speaker 2>these proxies for the royals sharing stuff on their behalf

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<v Speaker 2>or is it like a made eavesdropping on something than

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<v Speaker 2>dming the Daily Mail.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a combination of different things.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, there are tip offs that you get,

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<v Speaker 3>and they often come from people in and around the

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<v Speaker 3>starf of Buckingham Palace and the theyre households. There are

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<v Speaker 3>the communications teams, of course, who put out their statements,

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<v Speaker 3>but they also too may push a particular story or

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<v Speaker 3>an angle one way or the other. And Prince Harry

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<v Speaker 3>was always deeply, deeply against that and thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it was Prince William's press officer against his press officer

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<v Speaker 3>and all the rest of it. It is, and they

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<v Speaker 3>do tend to work together, after all, they want to

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<v Speaker 3>maximize the publicity of the good that the roles are doing. It.

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<v Speaker 3>If they all went on high profile state visits all together,

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<v Speaker 3>only one of probably the King's visits would make headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>The others wouldn't get a headline. So they of course

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<v Speaker 3>they coordinate diaries. Of course they coordinate causes that they

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<v Speaker 3>want to support and lend publicity to. But yes, there

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<v Speaker 3>are those people then I think, frankly, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>think there are some people who sit at home and

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<v Speaker 3>probably make quite a lot up and put it on

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<v Speaker 3>the internet as though a fact. So I think there's

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<v Speaker 3>a whole load of combination about these things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a tumultuous period for the royals.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got megxt, the Prince Andrew Epstein controversy, the deaths

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<v Speaker 2>of the Queen, and of course Prince Philip and the

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<v Speaker 2>double cancer diagnoses. Does it feel like the monarchy is

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<v Speaker 2>getting any closer to stability.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're right. I think at the moment it's

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<v Speaker 3>in a state of flux. And part of that is

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<v Speaker 3>the uncertainty over the King's health. After all, he's not

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<v Speaker 3>been that long in the job. And the one thing

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<v Speaker 3>that you like with stability is a stability of the cast,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the main players in the royal family. So

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<v Speaker 3>it has been now a decade, as you said, Prince Andrew,

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<v Speaker 3>Prince Harry, the death of Prince Philip, the death of

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<v Speaker 3>the Queen. It's been a very very difficult time for

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<v Speaker 3>the royal family to hold it together, particularly as I said,

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<v Speaker 3>in the eyes of the public. And it's a very

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<v Speaker 3>very deeply scrutinizing public and deeply scrutinizing social media world

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<v Speaker 3>that we live in. You really can't have any secrets

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody is watching your remove and I think we're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing that accidentally with Princess Catherine returning to work after

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<v Speaker 3>her remission a diagnosis for cancer. About everywhere she goes,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the cameras are trying to zoom in and

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<v Speaker 3>see how she's looking and how has she changed in

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<v Speaker 3>the last year or so, and that must be very

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<v Speaker 3>difficult when you've got a she has three young children.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us, Kevin.

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<v Speaker 4>My pleasure. Thank you very much, Chelsea.

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