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Speaker 2: News Talk ZB. So we've been having a pretty deep

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Speaker 2: but important discussion about methamphetamine use in New Zealand. Then

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Speaker 2: on the line we do have Richard Fick. He is

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Speaker 2: the director of the Northland Regional Bridge of the Salvation Army. Richard,

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Speaker 2: very very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon massive Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, now you yeah, Hello, very great to chat

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Speaker 2: to you. So you've been involved with the Tata Audunger program.

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Speaker 2: Is that right, Richard, I have, yes.

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Speaker 4: And how is your program different from other programs?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure about a lot of other programs

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Speaker 3: and what's happening nationally, but the difference I think for

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Speaker 3: Chad order, it's a partnership with Houston Police and it's

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Speaker 3: a multi agency approach. It builds on builds on health

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Speaker 3: and police work and evidence based interventions, and it's a

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Speaker 3: kind of blend of public health, police work and evidence

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Speaker 3: based alcohol and drag interventions.

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Speaker 2: It certainly had a lot of success, judging by the

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Speaker 2: recent evaluation report Richard that the program saw a thirty

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Speaker 2: four percent reduction and harm from offending among those who

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Speaker 2: the program helped. So just walk us through it. How

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Speaker 2: does someone get selected for the program?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a number of referral pathways that police are

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Speaker 3: major referrals into it. But it can be from corrections,

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Speaker 3: probation services, other health, other health services to fudge or

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Speaker 3: order and basically it's for people who are are experiencing

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Speaker 3: difficulties with the methane fetamine all their families.

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Speaker 4: So do you sometimes reach out or do the police

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Speaker 4: sometimes reach out to people and refer them to you

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Speaker 4: before a crime has actually been committed.

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Speaker 3: Normally the police would come into contact with individuals through

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Speaker 3: their normal police work and they can offer treatment. I

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Speaker 3: guess that is a point of difference as well at

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Speaker 3: the police of a referral to treatment and the police

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Speaker 3: can make the referral themselves.

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Speaker 2: So the thirty four reduction that is you know, significant,

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Speaker 2: that is success. What do you put that success down to?

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Speaker 2: What happens within the program to see that level of success.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I can tell you there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: follow up by the police themselves. The police follow up,

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Speaker 3: they do drug testing, they refer through to POFAR no

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Speaker 3: connectors which are what they postponnder connect the works with

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Speaker 3: the person to help keep them in treatment. They do

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Speaker 3: intensive outreach, really assert of outreach in the communities and

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Speaker 3: work with families and individuals and so there's an enormous

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Speaker 3: amount of follow up and there's a range of different

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Speaker 3: treatment options that individuals can use themselves or select themselves.

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Speaker 4: Is it strictly a referral process or can families or

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Speaker 4: individual addicts reach out to you?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely, so that people can self refer. There's a

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Speaker 3: website on to funt of order website under Chowter Orderinger.

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Speaker 3: People can access support through the website. They can refer themselves,

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Speaker 3: or family can refer for family support, or they can

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Speaker 3: go through a range of other option referral options like

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Speaker 3: the gp O. The service providers are the health service providers.

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Speaker 4: Now, Richard, there's a saying you always hear that an

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Speaker 4: adit has to want to be helped. Is that still true?

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Speaker 4: Or can you find someone in any position that has

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Speaker 4: been referred to you or has come to you and

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Speaker 4: offer them help and have some success.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question, A big question. I think.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, having a range of treatment options

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Speaker 3: caters to people that are at different stages and have

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Speaker 3: different different motivators, and I think you know, like being

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Speaker 3: having contact with the police can be huge motivation for people.

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Speaker 3: But some people are just ready to change, and so

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Speaker 3: the treatment options available and a tailored treatment plan for people,

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Speaker 3: we've taken to account the stage that they're at, whether

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Speaker 3: they're ready to change or they're ready for treatment, and

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Speaker 3: so d orderinger treatment options, try and meet meet people

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Speaker 3: where they're at.

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Speaker 2: Is there hope Richard, that this program can be rolled

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Speaker 2: across the country.

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Speaker 3: I do believe there is. It's very topical and of

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Speaker 3: course met problem is growing, so people I understand exploring

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Richard, thank you very much for having a chat

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Speaker 2: with us, and all the best with the program, and

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Speaker 2: congratulations on the success that you are heaving up there.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and anyone can go to the Crow's Nest Research

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Speaker 3: Chowder Ordering and read the evaluation themselves. It's open to public.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Richard. And just that name of

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Speaker 2: the program again, Tata Ordnger, that is te Arer n GA.

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Speaker 2: So thank you very much again, Richards. And just a

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Speaker 2: reminder for anyone listening who has a family member addicted

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Speaker 2: currently or indeed, if you are addicted meth amphetamine, there

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Speaker 2: is help available the Tiata Audunger program, but also the

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Speaker 2: Alcohol Drug Helpline OH eight hundred and seven eight seven

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Speaker 2: seven nine seven. You can text eighty six eight one

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Speaker 2: for support around alcohol and drugs. It's a free and

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Speaker 2: confidential chat with a trained counselor twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 2: seven days a week.

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