1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Hither. You're a confirmation biased type of person. Aren't you 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: only read out texts that arelign to your thinking. I'm 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: sick of it. Not everyone is on your side. I 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: want to hear a robust and diverse conversation, not just 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: you going on and on about your own views. Well, 6 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: happy for you. The huddle is here, nineteen away from 7 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: six the huddle. 8 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: With New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and global exposure 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: like no other. 10 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: And on the huddle with two people who are one 11 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: hundred percent disagree with me on this. We have Richard 12 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: Hill's aalking counselor, and Nick Leggett Infrastructure, New Zealand. Hello 13 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: you too, Cure. Hello, okay Richard. Did you see the 14 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: carry on in the house today? 15 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: Yes, I watched it on the way here. Thoughts Well, 16 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: it's just a continuation of the face of this whole 17 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: waste of six months is I mean, the government can't 18 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: expect the opposition to just lay down and pretend like 19 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: this is not weird when the Government's like, we don't 20 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: support this at all, but we're going to make you 21 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: all sit here and waste time and money debating something 22 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: that's never gone. 23 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of texts from people who are 24 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: really upset with how that played out in the House 25 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: today with the hakka and the disruption and stuff. Did 26 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: that upset you or were you like not actually fair enough? 27 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: I guess the whole rules of debate are out the 28 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: window when you're forcing everyone to sit there and debate 29 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: something that the government has said they don't support, but 30 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,279 Speaker 2: they're making us go through it and getting people upset 31 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: and offside, but like, they're not going to support it, 32 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: but we have to sit there. 33 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: And because you're a labor guy, right so, I know 34 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: this is going to play really well for the Maori 35 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: Party voter base and some in the Green Party voter base. 36 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: How's it going to play for the Labor Party voter base? 37 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: I think probably the voter base of the country looks 38 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: at Parliament today and maybe all days at the moment 39 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: and thinks, what a waste of time and money? What 40 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: are they doing? This is just another continuation of the mess. 41 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: But I don't necessarily blame people for acting up when 42 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: it is a ridiculous situation they're all being put in. 43 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: Right now, Mack, tell me what you make of the 44 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: NAT's argument for why they're not supporting this bill. 45 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 3: Well, you could argue it's m MP in action, but 46 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: I think the issue is I'm less concerned about the 47 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: waste of time or money. It's more the division that 48 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: this creates needlessly. Why have a debate that allows extremes, 49 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: you know, reacting to one another and you know, and 50 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: playing to their respective bases when I suspect most Kiwis 51 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 3: are not of either on either side, but actually want 52 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: a functioning, evolving treaty relationship that's based on partnership and both. 53 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: You know that bipartisan agreement between you know, across successive 54 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: governments has been built up over decades, and this takes 55 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: us backwards. This debate takes us backwards. And you know, 56 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: you don't sort out nationhood by a referendum. You continue 57 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: to have good dialogue. You disagree, absolutely, but it also 58 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: raises for me. You know, I think that we haven't 59 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 3: defined that the treaty, we haven't defined well enough. Think 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: the treaty has actually got a place for everybody. It's 61 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: why we're all here. And so much of the treaty 62 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: discussion plays out as it's just for Marty, when an 63 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 3: actual fact, every New Zealander has a place under the treaty, 64 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: and I think a lot of non Marty feel alienated 65 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: from that, and so we've got to do a better 66 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: job at bringing them together. This bill doesn't do that, 67 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: and frankly, the political leadership that we've seen on display 68 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: from all sides doesn't really do that. 69 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: Ut So the problem, the problem that the Nats have 70 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: got is that what you see today drives up the 71 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: acts Party vote, and it drives up the Marty Party vote, 72 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: and it actually, if you assume that there's just a 73 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: transactional vote movement there, it actually drives down the National 74 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: Party vote, doesn't it. 75 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, well, yeah, yeah, And that's I mean, I'm 76 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: I believe in a strong center of politics and that's 77 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: not that's not a dollar ea. That means that you 78 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: can pull you know, you can bring from both sides 79 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 3: and pull something together and get some cooperation. But we 80 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 3: haven't seen that unfortunately, and not just from National But 81 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: I think that I don't think Labor, for instance, explained 82 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: three waters and what they meant by co governance. Well enough. 83 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: Now I've worked in with in co governance situations. Proudly. 84 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: It can and it does work, but you've got to 85 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 3: take people with you. You've got to take both treaty 86 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: partners with you. And so what we haven't seen, we 87 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: haven't had courageous discussions from the central center live the party. 88 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: I think that I think that's the very fair point 89 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: there is that we've been we've had the eck about it, 90 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: we've not talked about it, and now that we're talking 91 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: about it, we're shouting. 92 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevated Marketing 93 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: of your home. 94 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: Right, you're back with a huddle Richard Hill's and Nick Leggett. Richard, 95 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm loving the IID crackdown on the kiwis overseas not 96 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: paying their bills. What about you? 97 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've got a bit of sympathy for 98 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: you know, young people that go over for a kentickie 99 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: and a holiday and a year or two you know, 100 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: gap year and get charged interest. You know, maybe there 101 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: needs to be a bit more chilled vibes there. But 102 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: I was quite surprised when it's people in their forties 103 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: and fifties over there with big bills, you know, like 104 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: obviously I would love if we were if you paid 105 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: YOURLS down. Yeah, I did a celebratory, don't you. 106 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: Think, like as people in our forties, now we've paid 107 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: the thing down and then you look at those guys 108 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: over there not paying it down all grimes McGee's quite a. 109 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: Big number two like, so I will obviously love it. 110 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 2: If we were like the generations above us who got 111 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: free education, that would be nice, but we didn't. And 112 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 2: I think interest free is a pretty good deal. So 113 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: it is surprising to see. But I guess the ID 114 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: it's quite a lot of money they're spending on getting 115 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: the money too, so I think they need to make 116 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: sure they're not overspending for the well. 117 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: Here yeah, return on investment, think Nick, Yeah. 118 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: I mean, look, the country is in a really tight 119 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 3: school corner at the moment. I guess that's also what 120 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: concerns me about the last thing we discussed. We actually 121 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: want a government focused on building the economy, improving health 122 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: and education. And you know they've got they've got to 123 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: pull back some money from wherever they can get it. 124 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 3: So I think that's important. But I think that's right 125 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: as well. You know, what is there a return on 126 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: the money being spent? You know, is it worth chasing 127 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: people in this waleor do we wait and pin them 128 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: until they come back when they come back into the country. 129 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: Hey, Nick, what about them coming back into the country, 130 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty of them, and then we're going 131 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: to arrest them and not let them leave again. That's awesome. 132 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 3: I don't think that's what I was suggesting. 133 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: Oh well, I just love that. 134 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I laugh at the iodeare taking this serious. 135 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: You would march them to the ATM, wouldn't you. 136 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: I would, and I'd make them empty out all their 137 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: money and then give it to us and then be like, oh, 138 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: sorry if you can't buy bread now because you did that, 139 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: But at least we've got our dollars back. Did you 140 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 1: mind the New Zealand video? 141 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: Nick, Well, I fly a lot, so I do have. 142 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 3: I get quite intimate with these videos and they are 143 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: painful after a while, so quite I welcome the new one. 144 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: I really like Steven Adams and I really like Tom Sainsbury, 145 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: so that's good. But if you fly as off one 146 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: as I do, we as them. And I was really 147 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: interested in Greg saying that this is a short one 148 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: because I've only seen it on the YouTube, but it 149 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: was like four minutes. Please get it over and done with. 150 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: It took long please Yeah, yeah, seven seconds. 151 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: Short attention, short attention spans these days. 152 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. What did you think, Richard? Oh yeah, I 153 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: mean I think as I get older, which is a 154 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: bit said, I'm starting to get a little bit annoyed 155 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: with it. But I do think it's more like Bob Jones. Yeah, 156 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: I think. I think I used to be very defensive 157 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: of them, but I understand why people get annoyed. But 158 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: I think for visitors, for people that they're trying to 159 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: show the brand. It is classically New Zealand, and I 160 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: think it does show parts of the country and our 161 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: people in a way that it's hard to get people 162 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: to read that magazine or whatever. 163 00:07:59,560 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: You know. 164 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: It is a good way, but sometimes it is a 165 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: bit like what was the safety message? 166 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes I don't. I have to read the little 167 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: card to remind myself where the life jacket is, Richard. 168 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: Was the Coldplay show last night the best show you've 169 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: ever been to? 170 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: I think it was the best show, the best show 171 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: you've ever been to. I couldn't comment, but it's it's 172 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: a big it's a high bar, but it was amazing. 173 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: It was in lieu of another answer, it was the best. 174 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: Show you've ever been to, the best show I've ever 175 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: been to. It was fantastic. And to see all those people. 176 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: I took the train and the bus back and people 177 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: were buzzing. The city was full, people were positive, people 178 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: were using the fan trail, and that's going to happen 179 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: on Friday and Saturday too, So big for the city. 180 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: Great to have them here, and the hotels are full, 181 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: and it's yeah, it's just nice when these things happen. 182 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: After pel Jam last weekend as well. 183 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. 184 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Hey, thank you both. I really appreciate it. 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