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Speaker 1: On the Huddle tonight. Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute, Hey, Tim, Hey, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing? Good to have you on?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? And Mark Sainsbury's here broadcast in Mark Sainsbury

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Speaker 1: Hey sineso a you Ryan, good? Thanks. This is not

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Speaker 1: a great look. And the IPCA says, you know, of

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Speaker 1: all people who you want to make sure that you

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Speaker 1: run the ruler over, it would be a senior police officer.

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Speaker 4: Tim, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And look I can see obviously

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Speaker 4: it's a senior role and police they're supposed to uphold

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Speaker 4: the law, not break the law. I think, I think

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Speaker 4: to the comments by the law professor earlier, it seems

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Speaker 4: that orang A Tamariki the other ones with as he

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Speaker 4: noted some evidence. Now, whether that was admissible or not,

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Speaker 4: I guess is something that eventually they determined to shouldn't

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Speaker 4: go forward with it, but I do. I do note

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Speaker 4: that this officer has undergone a criminal investigation and employment investortigation.

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Speaker 4: Ironging A Tumbareki says, look, the kids don't face any

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Speaker 4: ongoing harm. Now I would I would place some emphasis

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Speaker 4: on that. I'm not saying it's great to whack your kids.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that at all, no matter how annoyed

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Speaker 4: you get with them. But but yeah, I think I

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Speaker 4: think that's that's the aperture to look at this through.

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Speaker 4: And if I ranging a tambaiki says you know they're

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Speaker 4: not facing ongoing harm, it seems to be one of

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Speaker 4: those parental lessons that you go, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 4: going to stop doing this and we'll move forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark, he did that. The dad did say, not

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Speaker 1: that it's an excuse, but said he had tried other

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Speaker 1: forms of punishment to stop a certain behavior and this

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Speaker 5: Well, I guess what comes It comes back to what

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Speaker 5: Mark Kahannon was saying as well, if I had it

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Speaker 5: been someone else, if you take the list gun example

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Speaker 5: thing is there's been hardly any prosecutions. I tried looking

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Speaker 3: I think prosecutions not always successful.

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Speaker 5: But as you said, this guy is a cop, and

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Speaker 5: the thing that I actually was gobsmack. Was the same

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Speaker 5: thing as you rand was that he was able to

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Speaker 5: stay well, I'm not going to talk, and the people

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Speaker 5: who I'm accused of XD harming are not going.

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Speaker 3: To talk as well. I can stop them talking. That

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Speaker 3: was the bit I just found very odd.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is weird. I'm mean it makes sense because

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Speaker 1: they're miners, right, but then they're also the victims. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: Tim Wilson, Mark Sainsbury on the Huddle, We're back in

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Speaker 1: just a moment.

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Speaker 1: You talk to fourteen away from six a huddle tonight.

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Speaker 1: Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute and Mark Sainsbury broadcaster.

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Speaker 1: That have you ever a mark been on a tenure

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Speaker 1: based pay progression?

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Speaker 3: Look? I have some.

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Speaker 5: When I first joined TV and Z or what was

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Speaker 5: it called them? Is it changed that you as BC

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Speaker 5: was the old you know, all your salary's got published.

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Speaker 5: You could sit there. Oh, I see Tim's getting this

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Speaker 5: much the lazy bugger and I do twice as much work.

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Speaker 5: It was a very that regimented public service thing.

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Speaker 3: But this, yeah, it does does.

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Speaker 5: It just doesn't seem to sit right, does it. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's opposed to cover inequities where people might have been

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just for just for being there, literally, just for

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Speaker 1: Roach has issued a directive to the government departments to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think so. I mean it's it's fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Like the average annual salary for a public servant in

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Speaker 4: But I just don't understand, you know, so there is

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Speaker 1: I just it's funny because I have never been in

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Speaker 1: any any pay increases you you have to negotiate yourself,

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Speaker 4: So I just here's the numbers, give me some more dough.

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Speaker 1: It's so unfamiliar to me.

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Speaker 5: You know, you said, well, no, you've only been here

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Speaker 5: to a contract system and say, right where you could

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Speaker 4: Did you know I would have thought I would have

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Speaker 4: thought it would make it create a very morbid sort

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Speaker 3: Dining is a topic.

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Speaker 4: Now, that's now, that's a different gig altogether, not that

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Speaker 1: Hey, in New Zealand copying a bit of flat It's

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Speaker 1: not surprising because Auckland Airport's always firing a shot at

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Speaker 1: They're eighty four percent of our domestic market and they're

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Speaker 3: Tim No, we don't.

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Speaker 4: And this is with Auckland Airport bagging in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: This is a complete monopoly. Bagging are mostly monopoly.

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Speaker 3: And it's just it's the biggest client team.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to shatter the paradigm. I'm launching Timsy Airport

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Speaker 4: right now. It'll cost you thirty seven fifty to bring

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Speaker 1: What about because it's interesting when they do the comparison

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Speaker 1: they reckon that they're actually quite cheap in Auckland.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well Wellington is sort of unique problems as it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, especially working working at TV and Z under

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Speaker 1: Saying hey, what about James Cameron. So he was in

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I did.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Oh, okay, give us the lowdown. What was it about.

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Speaker 5: Look, I've got to temper that the fact I was

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Speaker 5: I had to leave. Really, but there was over a

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Speaker 5: brought up the film Subsidy and he says like, I

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Speaker 3: So went through all of that. The people did.

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Speaker 5: you know, and James Cameron, you said, the old Jim,

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Speaker 3: A few months. So look, just having someone like that, who,

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Speaker 3: let's face it, could live anywhere in the world, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Invested in Wellington. It is quite good to get this. Look,

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Speaker 5: something needs to happen to Wellington getting too down.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. It's you've reached rock Bottom and

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Speaker 1: Wellington and clearly people are ready to start climbing out

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Speaker 1: of the whole.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: But but I look at this from a distance, Tim,

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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, billionaire movie man, Hollywood man

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Speaker 1: comes to Wellington and asks for taxpayer handout to save

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the deal.

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Speaker 4: If the projected film makes money, then it's an investment.

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Speaker 4: If it doesn't, if it loses money, it's a subsidy.

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Speaker 4: I've got a couple of film ideas that might help

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Speaker 4: James Cameron out. A library with anger management issues tries

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Speaker 4: to find a park in Wellington Central. No, I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna Maarry, Okay, Yeah, that's that's a one off. How

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Speaker 4: about a Wellington City councilor explains why property values have

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Speaker 4: gone down and rates have gone up?

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Speaker 3: You won't believe how it ends? What about TV?

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Speaker 1: What about TVZ in broadcaster kills the colleague to get

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Speaker 1: pay right.

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Speaker 3: Now, we're talking about some serious dough.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, Hey, thanks so much for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you both Tim Wilson from the Maximum

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Speaker 1: Institute and Mark Sainsbury, broadcaster out of Wellington.

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