1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Another person running a country at the moment, as Christopher 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Luxan now Prime Minister. Good morning to. 3 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You, Good morning Mike how I am very well. 4 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Indeed your Christmas decorations up at. 5 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: Home, they're not yet, but we're getting date. We've started 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: the conversation Amanda and I. So yeah, we try and 7 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: get it early, and we try and close it. 8 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: Out early, close pre Christmas or your. 9 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: Move twenty six, twenty six of Foxing Day, but just 10 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: by virtue of what happened in the rest of our 11 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: life over that summer period. But I can imagine the 12 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: hosting household. You've been trimmled for some time. You've probably 13 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: got into. 14 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: Well, we just came to a bit of a bit 15 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: of a head yesterday is what happened. Anyway, But enough 16 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: of this now listen this report. You're aware of the 17 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: leak this morning, the ministerial document. This is the military academies. 18 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: By the way, yesterday in the post cap conference, you 19 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: spoke eloquently, I thought, almost emotionally about what you've seen. 20 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: When did you go what did you see in what's happening? 21 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I mean I just think that's pretty disingenuous 22 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: to compare what's happened in the past and the seventies, 23 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: particularly through the abuse and state care type programs that 24 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: were up and running, and what we're trying to do 25 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 2: here down and probably spent three hours with those young men. 26 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: They are some of our toughest candidates in terms of 27 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: serious young offenders. I was really impressed. One is there's 28 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: incredible people around them, Like the staff to kid ratio 29 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: is really really high. Their senior psychologists as social workers, 30 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: there's a heap of support in there. There's really good oversight. 31 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 2: But most importantly, I actually got to talk to these 32 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: young guys and you could see, Okay, what's made the difference, 33 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: and the point was actually people care. I've come from 34 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: a rubbish environment, typically bad family background. I end up 35 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: in here and people actually are taking an interest in 36 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: me and are investing in me. And so they were 37 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: doing things like trying to get qualified to be able 38 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: to do, you know, work on roads for example. They 39 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: a couple of them actually had worked with contractors on 40 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 2: site at the center, either volunteered to help out concretors 41 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: and landscapers, and some of them had actually been even 42 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: offer jobs and so you know, we've got you know, 43 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: this was I think it's been a really good program, 44 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: and I think, you know, I know, people want to 45 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: sort of dumb it down to a boot camp and 46 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: imagine a sergeant major shouting at these kids. Yep, they're 47 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: up at six thirty. Yes they're in uniform. Yes they've 48 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: got a high degree of physical training. But they've also 49 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: got all the other support that they need to and 50 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: they're writing resumes and they are thinking about interviews and 51 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 2: job interviews and all that sort of good stuff. So 52 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: you know, the three months in the residential part has 53 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: been a huge success. Now the challenge really begins because 54 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: each of them has a social worker if they come 55 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: back into life, and we've got to make sure obviously 56 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: they don't go back to bad environments, and we're try 57 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: and make a shift there as well. 58 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: So we should try someone You, because you were the 59 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: Prime Minister and gave you the middle finger as you 60 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: walked out. You're convinced that someone's working there. 61 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and the caliber of the team 62 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: that we assemble to actually work with these kids, because remember, 63 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: we want to see whether we can actually use this 64 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: as a means by which we can learn something about 65 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 2: how to upgrade our performance and all these residential facilities. 66 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: It was really fantastic and so you know, honestly, the 67 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: management around them, the focus on care, rehabilitation, and the 68 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: multiple hours of protection oversight, all that good stuff was fantastic. 69 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, they've got a purpose, and 70 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: I think that's half the thing, right, how do we 71 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: get our young people to have mission and purpose and 72 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: get connected to something and then you know, you know, 73 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: life has meaning. 74 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: Okay, Having said that, so the leak this morning is 75 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: and the alarmism is around when you go to pass 76 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: the legislation, because it's important to point out this is 77 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: the trial and you haven't passed the legislation. When you 78 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: pass the legislation, will were people running these courses have 79 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: the power to use force? 80 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: Well that'll be ultimately a decision for the operators in 81 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: the program. And I'm not close enough to what they 82 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: need or. 83 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: You either get you either give them the power to 84 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: use force or you don't. They don't make it up. 85 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I'm just not in that position like to 86 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: comment on that as to why it would be used 87 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: or how it would be used for restraint or other things. 88 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: But what I can say is what I saw was 89 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: actually quite a different whole is actually to engage the stocks. 90 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: It's a different idea. We're not playing this dumb game. 91 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: You're setting the rules and that the rules have been gave. 92 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: Do you give the providers the power to use force 93 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: or not? 94 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: I haven't had those conversations. I haven't been with briefed 95 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: on that. Sorry with who? What do you mean with 96 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: the conversations with who? Who are you talking to? We're 97 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: not talking to as the case may be. Well, I mean, 98 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: it hasn't been a topic of conversation that we've tad with, 99 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: you know, Karen Sura and myself as the minister. 100 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: There's something going on here. Don't bs me on this, Karen. 101 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not refusers to speak. Karen Shaw is 102 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: refusing to speak to anyone about this. 103 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: Why I don't know, But I just say to you, 104 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: I mean, feel free to keep reaching out to her office. 105 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: I'm all I'm saying is I'm not aware that we've 106 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: actually got you know that. That's actually it's not something 107 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: I've been briefed on. It's not something that I'm aware of. 108 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: It's not something that I would should be involved in. 109 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: Those closest to it should make those calls and decisions 110 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: with what they need. 111 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: So you don't you don't think that if you give 112 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: people force and they go whack somebody around the head 113 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: when they're in the military camp, that's not going to 114 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: come back to buy you and the bum on this program. 115 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: That's well, what I'm interested in is have we got 116 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: layers of child safeguarding and protection and oversight which has 117 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: been a consistent problem across our care of kids for 118 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 2: decades now, as evidenced by the abuse and state care. 119 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: So what we're focused on here is making sure that 120 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: we get all the support services in. We've got a 121 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: great ratio, as I said, of psychologists and social workers 122 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: to each kid, and we've got the oversight and the 123 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: protection that we need. But those decisions as to precisely 124 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: how that all comes together and how it's deployed will 125 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: be made by OT who are operating these facilities, but. 126 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: OT the incompetence who have got us into this mess 127 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: in the first place. 128 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: Well, again, I just say to you that what I've 129 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: experienced with these military academies and what I'm seeing on 130 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: the ground and the interaction with the young people and 131 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: the quality of the staff that are around them, I've 132 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: been really really impressed, and I think that's a very 133 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: very different. 134 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: I wrought these things to work. But here's the problem. 135 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: I mean, next week you're apologizing for a generation of 136 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: people who went into state care and we're abused, and 137 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: so you've got another form of which is a military academy. 138 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: You want to do the right thing. The talk is 139 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: the right thing. You're arguing, there's evidence of the right thing, 140 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: but when you go to pass the legislation, you can't 141 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: answer the question where you're going to boot them up 142 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: the bum, whack them around the head and treat them badly. Well, 143 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: what I'd just. 144 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: Say to you, though, is that I think it's a 145 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: bit Well. What I said yesterday is why it's so 146 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: disingenuous is if you think about the examples and the 147 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: abuse of state care, there was like unvested, unqualified staff 148 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 2: that doesn't happen today. They were isolated and pretty appalling 149 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: conditions on Great Barrier and other places. You know, we've 150 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: actually got three months residential, nine month at home. They 151 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: were focused on abuse and punishment. We're focused on care 152 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: and rehabilitation. There was no oversight on monitoring like any 153 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: of these We've got multiple layers of protection and oversight 154 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: we've actually got, and sure the kids also have great 155 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: independent advocacy services as well, so the checks and balances 156 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: are there. As to the inherit's all operationalized. That's ultimately 157 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: got to be a decision to a manager that we 158 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: hold accountable for delivering that. 159 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: Here's the counter here's the counter argument. Not providing these 160 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: powers would mean staff outside of the residential setting would 161 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: be exposed to legal risk of they tried to prevent 162 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: a young person from absconding or from harming themselves or 163 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: harming another person. Given this risk, I consider that clear 164 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: authority is needed. In other words, they can use force 165 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: as a concept. Then, given you haven't had discussions, does 166 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: that sit comfortably with you? 167 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: No? I want to make sure that there is multiple 168 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: approaches around oversight and protection of those young people. And 169 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: so that's where I'd be coming down in that conversation 170 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: when we get to have that conversation. 171 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: Yes, but multiple oversight of the ability to use force, 172 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: or multiple oversight of the ability not to be able 173 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: to use. 174 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: Force not to use force. I think I appreciate these 175 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: are really difficult kids and individuals, but the history here 176 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: is shocking and what I really want to see as 177 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: a culture shift and change to focus on the care, rehabilitation, 178 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: the layers of protection and oversight and child safeguarding, and 179 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: that is something that I think consistently across our system. 180 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: We've done a very poor job. 181 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: At Okay, Also out of yesterday's postcab, why don't the 182 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: media understand that Winston Peter's meeting the Trade Minister of India, 183 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: whether or not it's in Melbourne doesn't matter. It's the 184 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: meeting that counts, and we need to do business to 185 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: grow the economy, so we make the money. So when 186 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: they then go and ask about the blood cancer products, 187 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: you can go, well, because we grew the economy, we 188 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: have the money to spend on that. How come they 189 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: can't join those simple dots. 190 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: Well. I try and communicate it as best as I 191 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: possibly can. Like but that is a very important meeting 192 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: for us because to sit down with Penny Wong, our 193 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: only ally and foreign minister, and what we call the 194 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: one plus one or the two plus two with US 195 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: finance ministers coming together and meeting formally. And then also 196 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: to have doctor j. Shunka, who was without doubt one 197 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 2: of the influential Secretaries of State anywhere from any country 198 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 2: in the world being there, and I've met with him 199 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: twice now myself. He is very very influential, but also 200 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: very very thoughtful, and so the fact that Winston Peter's 201 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 2: has a good relationship with him, the fact I have 202 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: a good relationship with him, is about making sure we 203 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: build breadth and depth in the relationship with India, because 204 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: you got to ask a question, how do these things 205 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: get done? You've got to build the relationships first. That's 206 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: why mcclay's been to India six times. That's why Winston's 207 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 2: been there once. I've spoken to Modi twice and met 208 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: with him once. I've met with Jay Shunka twice. Now 209 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: we've hosted the Indian president. We build the case and 210 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: that's why we've now got an invitation to go to 211 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: India next year with a delegation to start the trading 212 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: process and how we can deepen up trade. I think 213 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: the thing I was really proud about, to be honest, Mike, 214 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: and illustrative what we're trying to do in India but 215 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: also all around the world. As you had this deal 216 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: with the GCC that's been going on into successive governments 217 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: now for eighteen years it was stopped. Mcclaary started it 218 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: in February and he concluded it on the weekend. The 219 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: guy came in from Saturday morning from the GCC, came 220 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: to the Seeker Show with me on Saturday, and on 221 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: Sunday fired out to China to actually take a delegation 222 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: seventy companies up there for their biggest important export conference. 223 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: So you know, we are hustling and moving. When I've 224 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: said to you in the past, you know we're heading 225 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: this with intensity. That's what we're trying to do because 226 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: why court of our jobs tried up with trade. You know, 227 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: companies that export have seven to ten percent high wages 228 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: and salary. So it's got to be part of the 229 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: way forward for us to lift the joint and lift 230 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: our quality lo hing standards. 231 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: Appreciate thom as always Prime Minister Christoph Lackson. For more 232 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: from The Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to News Talks 233 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: at b from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 234 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.