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Speaker 1: Rugby unions around the globe are banding together against R

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Speaker 1: three sixty unions from New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, England.

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Speaker 1: They're all saying, you can't play for Mike Tindall's new

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Speaker 1: outfit and then go play for your country. Sam Ackman

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Speaker 1: Sports commentated with me this morning. Sam, Good morning, morning,

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Speaker 1: Royan Hey. Critics are saying, some are saying that this

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Speaker 1: will be the death of rugby union. Is it a

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Speaker 1: bit overcooked massively?

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Speaker 2: They just need to take a little breath and remember

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Speaker 2: that professional sport does things like this quite often in

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Speaker 2: the number of sports, and they seem to still be

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Speaker 2: thriving and going on. Rugby league was ripped apart by

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Speaker 2: a civil war in nineteen ninety five and it's producing

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Speaker 2: some of the biggest numbers the sports ever produced. Now

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Speaker 2: Goalscot the live tour running separately to the PGA that

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Speaker 2: is supposed to employ that sport but not happening as well.

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Speaker 2: What this is is a bunch of unions, powerful unions

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Speaker 2: they used to have in their own way, circling the wagons.

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Speaker 2: I don't blame them for doing so, but the fact

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Speaker 2: of the matter is there is an entity that we

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Speaker 2: know very little about talking about playing stupid money for

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Speaker 2: these athletes and good on the athlete, so that anyone

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Speaker 2: who ends up going to this and making that kind

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Speaker 2: of professional athletes, that's what they're to do. They're there

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Speaker 2: to make a living, would a plumber, as would a lawyer,

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Speaker 2: as would a journalist. Whoever, if there's great money is there,

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Speaker 2: it's there to take. So I think calling it the

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Speaker 2: potential death of rugby is getting a little hysterical, drawing.

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Speaker 1: On the Indian Premier League, as you mentioned the live

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Speaker 1: Golf thing. In fact, I see that the former lawyer

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Speaker 1: for Live Golf is involved in this. Where are they

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Speaker 1: getting all this money from?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the four billion dollar question, is it right?

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Speaker 2: It's as far as where things are on transparency, there

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Speaker 2: is no We don't even have public figures speaking of this.

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Speaker 2: They're talking about starting a competition next year with no

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Speaker 2: public plans about who the teams are, where they are

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Speaker 2: any sign names. It all feels a little on the

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Speaker 2: dicey side. Back to the day, this is no bigger

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Speaker 2: threat to New Zealand rugby than French rugby is, or

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Speaker 2: Rugby League is, or if the NFL decided do you

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Speaker 2: know what, we want really good kickers and we're going

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Speaker 2: to go to New Zealand and take the goalkickers out

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Speaker 2: of every super team. There's always options to go other

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Speaker 2: places and good money to do so. The real threat

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Speaker 2: is if too many take up the offer. What does

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Speaker 2: that mean for New Zealand and their international eligibility rules Poby.

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Speaker 2: For those who have strict rules, it's harder to apply.

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Speaker 2: But I find interesting Australia, for example, South Africa two

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Speaker 2: unions that are happy to pack from overseas. They picked

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Speaker 2: their Wallabies or their spring Bloxer anywhere they want to

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Speaker 2: play except R three sixty. Why because they have no

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Speaker 2: control over what's going on there. They will have to

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Speaker 2: one day down the line if our three sixty gets

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Speaker 2: off the ground, if it goes well, it's something they

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Speaker 2: need to reconsider right now. International rugby is their bargainingship

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Speaker 2: and they're using it.

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Speaker 1: And does this all have to be signed off by

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Speaker 1: World Rugby And if so, what is their criteria for

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Speaker 1: doing that now?

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Speaker 2: Well, World Rugby is an entity as much like FIFA.

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Speaker 2: They have the greater interest of the game at hard

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Speaker 2: as long as it works in with their interests. So

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Speaker 2: as long as that world rugby is going to be

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Speaker 2: a positioned that they can make enough money from or

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Speaker 2: something that they can work with, well, then they're prepared

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Speaker 2: to talk right now. Because everything is so loosey goosey,

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Speaker 2: there's no rules around it. They're certainly not going to

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Speaker 2: tell the unions that they can't stop these players from

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Speaker 2: being picked from over there because your own, your own

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Speaker 2: individual eligibility rules. The real problem comes when you see

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Speaker 2: some saying well, if you go to three sixty, you

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Speaker 2: won't be welcomed back. Well, it's professional sport. That's like

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Speaker 2: saying back in the day, if you had converted to

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Speaker 2: rugby league, then you could never go back to rugby

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Speaker 2: union or vice versa. Those walls are done. People need

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Speaker 2: to kind of move past that and understand it's an

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Speaker 2: opportunity for these athletes. Listney's yonders. We want to see

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Speaker 2: the best players planning for the All Blacks and be

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Speaker 2: available without question, but the same token if they can't

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Speaker 2: match the money it's being offered, can you really blame them?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not, samppreciate that. Sam Ackham and sports commentator with

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