1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: Rod Littl's with us, Roderick. 2 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good morning to you. Mate. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: Now the Mendelssohn arrest I was thinking about, funnily enough, 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: given all that's happened since we last talked, so Andrew 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: obviously in Mandelssohn. Now does the heat go off Starmer? 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: And as many problems associated with this case because Andrew's 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: been done for and Mandelssohn's been done for as well, 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: or depending on what comes out of the Mandelssohn thing, 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: does the heat get put back on Starmer? 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: I think the heat in the end gets back on Starmer. Lastly, 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: of course, because Peter Maglesson was a labor appointment, it 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me if Mandolsson himself was almost directly responsible 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: for appointing Andrew to the role of trade on Edvoy 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: in two thousand and one, given that's roughly where at 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: Mandelssohn was working at the time, and you know, it's 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: a very Mandelssohn kind of decision to take, isn't it. 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: I think this stores up problems for Sakir. It possibly 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: in the short term, deflects attention away from how appallingly 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: badly the government is being run. So for example, my 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: opinion last week was that the story of the week 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: was the date Bark over the Chagos Islands, where, for example, 22 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: the bizarre irony is that now the British government will 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: be in the position of arresting and putting in prison 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: for three years very people they supposedly liberated those islands. 25 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: For these are the Chagossians who have gone to settle 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: back on Shagos Islands. And I think that's a scandal, 27 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: but it was rather dwarfed by the very grand standing 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: shots of the police turning up to arrest Andrew and now, 29 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: of course the arrest of Mandals, and that's certainly the 30 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: stuff which captures the immediate headlines, but there's a lot 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: more to come out in those in those Epstein files. 32 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to be unfair to you, 33 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: but because I'm generalizing here, but so you run things 34 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: differently than we do in this country. When somebody gets arrested, 35 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: they get charged. So in Britain you don't. You get arrested. 36 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: In questioned if charges are coming, how long does that take? 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: Can it be ours? Days, months? And I asked this 38 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: for both Andrew and Mendelssohn. 39 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: It could be both It could be either, and I 40 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: would tend towards the latter. It will be ages because 41 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: it's such a complicated crime to prove misconduct in a 42 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: public office. You have to prove motive, you have to 43 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: prove that it was done in order to get gain, 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. So it's very difficult. I would 45 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: have thought, you know, rather easier to prove it of Andrew. 46 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: You would think, though he denies all wrongdoing, of course, 47 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: that it is of Peter mandelssoh but we shall see. 48 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: It's the immediately proper glum Mike is for the monarchy. 49 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: You know. It's not just about removing Andrew from being 50 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: eight in the line to the throne, which moves me up, 51 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: by the way, to thirty nine million, two hundred and 52 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: fifty thousand, so I can get in there, mate. It's 53 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: about everything connected with the with the with the extravagance 54 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: of the Royal List and all the people who are 55 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: on it, and the amount of money that Sarah Ferguson 56 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: has got, that you Shaley and Beatrice have got, you know, 57 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: all of this stuff. The more we learn about Prince 58 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: Andrew not paying for his own massages when he's you know, 59 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: abroad supposedly helping helping the country. I think there's a 60 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: the dial is turning towards republicanism, and unless Charles, King 61 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: Charles does something urgently, it will turn a lot further towards. 62 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: Having said that, he has always been a fan of 63 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: a trim down monarchy, hasn't he? 64 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: He has, and he's done. He's taken quite decisive action 65 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: in the past. About Prince Andrew. I was looking at 66 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: it the other day and I wrote a piece in 67 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: the Sun today about it. Does he needs seventeen palaces? 68 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: You know? You know, it's just that level of extravagance. 69 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: And then once that extravagance has been exposed, delivering a 70 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: lecture to the British people about how they ought to 71 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: embrace next zero. You know, it's all of that stuff. Greats. 72 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly are they going to do? You think remove 73 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: Andrew from the monarchy lineup? I mean, how convoluted is 74 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: that particular legism the process? 75 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: I don't think it's terribly convoluted. I think we have 76 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: to ask your permission, not. 77 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: You Well, what's space? Elbert Elbow has written to Starma, 78 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: hasn't he? He said, Australia is all on board. 79 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, indeed, indeed, indeed, So I don't think that's 80 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: a great problem with moving in from from eighth in 81 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: the in the list, and eighth in the list is 82 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: pretty low down anyway, And I don't think the public 83 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: gives the monkeys too much, but it does want justice 84 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: to be done. And you know, I think next to 85 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: the firing mane is probably Sarah Ferguson. People really really 86 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: don't like her and never did. 87 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: No exactly heaven is there. I'm sort of like the 88 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: getting Andrew on the official side of it. The envoy works. 89 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: So in other words, if you're after Shardon Freud and 90 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: you want him to pay the price, does the fact 91 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: that have got them seemingly on the invoy work as 92 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: opposed to being a sexual deviant in the island and 93 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: all that other stuff? Does that matter to the victims 94 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: and the people who want them done. 95 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: For clearly not these Well, well it matters a little, 96 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: I suppose, to the to the people who are who 97 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: are surrounding the family of Virginia's fray. But those are 98 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: further allegations and further problems for Andrew which he may 99 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: be forced either by the force of public opinion or 100 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: indeed by the long half arm of the law to 101 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: go and answer. In the USA, it remains to be 102 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: seen if there's enough hard evidence. But we've had a 103 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: few more, you know, quotes from the Epstein files, which 104 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: says that he had consensual sex with Virginia Fray, which 105 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: he would deny. But even if proven true, does that 106 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: necessarily mean he's a pedifil that's strictly illegal in that case. 107 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, all right, Mike, catch up in a couple 108 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: of days. Appreciate it. Right, a little out of Britain. 109 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 110 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 111 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.