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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from newstalk edb All.

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Speaker 2: Wellington Phoenix have their first game a week today sky

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Speaker 2: Stadium and Wellington. They take on Western United with a

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Speaker 2: four o'clock kickoff off the back of their best ever

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Speaker 2: season last season under head coach gian Calo Italiana. I

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Speaker 2: caught up with him on Friday and asked how he

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Speaker 2: would compare how he's feeling now compared to how he

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Speaker 2: felt a week out from last season.

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Speaker 3: Quite different.

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Speaker 4: I would say that last season, you know, there was

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Speaker 4: a lot of question marks in terms of me being

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Speaker 4: a head coach, what direction I was taking the club.

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Speaker 4: I think where we're at this season now is where

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Speaker 4: the direction is quite clear, and the uncertainty about myself,

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Speaker 4: you know, I don't think exists. I think it's more

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Speaker 4: about now dealing with expectations for built on what happened

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Speaker 4: last season. That's been very difficult, and I think as well,

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Speaker 4: we've had the very sort of unstructured sort of I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't say chaotic, but close to it sort of preseason

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Speaker 4: because of all the international breaks and the players coming

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Speaker 4: back into the environment and just you know, signing a

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Speaker 4: bunch of new players as well, getting them integrated into

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Speaker 3: So from that point it's been difficult.

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Speaker 4: But you know, we've had three games against now A

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Speaker 5: How have you negotiated that uncertainty you call it chaos,

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Speaker 5: but that unstructured build up, how have you managed to

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Speaker 5: negotiate that to the best your ability and get your

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Speaker 5: team ready for week one?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a fine balancing act. Like the thing

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Speaker 4: for me is the most important thing is the player welfare.

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Speaker 4: And once we finished the season, I felt it was

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Speaker 3: Some time off.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, they had the Oversea Nations Cup and we're awaying

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Speaker 4: for about a month, and I had to make a

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Speaker 4: I was going to do with them in terms of

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Speaker 4: what the actual preseason looked like. So I made a

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Speaker 4: which I think is very very important. And so we

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Speaker 4: made a decision to rest those senior boys for longer periods.

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Speaker 4: Then we also had the Olympics and the Under twenties

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Speaker 4: qualifiers that kind of also jolted the ability of those

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Speaker 4: So it was a fine balancing act. It was more

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Speaker 4: about getting the right cohesion. But to be fair, I

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Speaker 4: would say that the young boys, especially in the Australia Cup,

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Speaker 4: it was a very young team that went out there.

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Speaker 4: We had even though like Marco, Whenkosa came off the bench,

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Speaker 4: I was actually quite pleased because we had i think

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Speaker 3: So but I was very happy. And again, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, like even though we look at them as problems,

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Speaker 4: or we could view them as problems, they're actually opportunity

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Speaker 4: for us to refocus on what processes we put in

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Speaker 5: On the flip side, how different will the playing style

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Speaker 5: of Wellington Phoenix be this season compared to last season?

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Speaker 5: What is the evolution of the side into season two

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Speaker 5: under your guidance.

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Speaker 4: Look until you see it's it's you know, these are

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Speaker 4: just words. But when I took over the team last year,

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Speaker 4: attributes of those plays. So, you know, obviously when I

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Speaker 3: To a different sort of style.

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Speaker 4: And then when I had Baldy Costa and Oldie or

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Speaker 3: To what their main.

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Speaker 4: You know, what the skill set like, for example, speed

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Speaker 3: Way I like to or the way I like to

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Speaker 4: And for me, you know that that's more of the

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Speaker 4: and probably a little bit cliche, you know, like a

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Speaker 3: So we'll still have that to build on.

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Speaker 4: But you'll see that, you know, we'll have a different dynamic,

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Speaker 4: But like with all things, you know, different mentalities, you're

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Speaker 4: and trying to further develop. So we'll evolve and it

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Speaker 4: has its challenges. You know, we've had three games that

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Speaker 4: we're crazy you know, it's just a matter of like

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Speaker 3: Last pass or that feel.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, if I had gone into these games or

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Speaker 4: be worried right now. But I just for me, it's like,

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Speaker 5: Was there any temptation, given the fact that last season

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the problem when.

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Speaker 4: Like if you take a step back and you see the.

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Speaker 3: You look at the legacy team. So I'll call legacy teams.

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Speaker 4: Seems like especially in football like a Barcelona in twenty ten.

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Speaker 4: And then when he went to the EPIL, you change

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Speaker 4: as well. He had inverted full backs, he had you know,

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Speaker 4: And that's a running theme like with any team that

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Speaker 4: you see, even Fergie when it was at United. Even

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Speaker 4: I think it's pretty naive of my part. And also

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Speaker 4: that I want fans seeing this year is when when

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Speaker 4: same feeling of you know, like contentment and seeing us

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Speaker 4: and I think you know that's something that you evolved to.

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Speaker 4: You don't You can't ask for it overnight. Even when

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Speaker 4: but the intent was there, and then the year after,

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Speaker 3: Now we just need to build on all the good

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Speaker 5: Marco roehas has arrived at the club. I think it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so with Marco in the squad he has. The

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Speaker 4: thing is is that we actually had to change just

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Speaker 3: Will step in. So yeah, it's he's very important.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, we spent most of the season

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Speaker 4: he actually had a really nice chemistry with cost and

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Speaker 3: Like flourish and encourage.

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Speaker 4: But unfortunately, you know, whether it be down a scheduling

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Speaker 3: I think they've played.

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Speaker 4: I think they played forty five minutes together so far

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Speaker 3: But again, once you know Marco is.

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Speaker 4: Fully fit and we can reintegrate him, it's about also

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Speaker 4: I think once you know, we can get him close

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Speaker 3: I think those two.

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Speaker 4: Together plus all the other boys, will have a nice

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Speaker 5: It in your two new Japanese players, So Dickie is

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Speaker 5: Sugar and Kazuki Nagasawa tell us about how they've fitted

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Speaker 3: So I was lucky enough.

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Speaker 4: I've known I've watched Shigi play for a long time,

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Speaker 4: quite a bit. So I had familiarity with those two players.

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Speaker 3: But the question was how they're integrated. I think that

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Speaker 3: so far they've both done very well in the environment.

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Speaker 4: I think obviously, you know, for me, language is a

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Speaker 4: is pretty good. Sheik's is getting better. He's starting to

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Speaker 4: understand my bad jokes, which is which is a good,

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Speaker 4: which is a good. It's a good start.

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Speaker 3: But I think that.

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Speaker 4: What's been promising is SIGI's first game against Newcastle probably

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Speaker 3: Found it very hard to get in the game, get touches.

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Speaker 4: And then the second game against Wanderers, you had a

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Speaker 4: It's still a little bit clunky, and then this last

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Speaker 4: game against Marinas, he basically grew in confidence and got

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Speaker 4: so they're slowly coming along, you know, Kazuki as well.

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Speaker 4: Like Kazuki was lucky enough that he's been playing regular

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Speaker 4: time off and he know deloaded and now he's just

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Speaker 3: But you can tell he's got a lot of class,

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Speaker 4: There's there's just something about both of those players playing

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Speaker 4: I think for me, it's just putting him in those

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Speaker 4: give us a different dimension as a season progresses.

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Speaker 5: Just to finish do you feel ready? Well, what is

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Speaker 5: your sense of a ready? This team is to play well,

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Speaker 5: maybe not perfectly immediately, but to play well from the start.

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Speaker 3: Do I feel ready? I don't think I ever feel ready.

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Speaker 4: Even last year I didn't think, you know, when we

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Speaker 4: year was more about building belief in the group and

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Speaker 4: the boys understood the system well and you know we

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Speaker 4: so many obstacles, I'm actually quite impressed at how far

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Speaker 4: the team's teams come. I think it will take us

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Speaker 4: about four to six games roughly before we start hitting

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Speaker 4: our straps. And what I mean by that is building continuity,

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Speaker 4: dynamic and starting players and also having that competition, the

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Speaker 4: think once we're able to get all that and the

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Speaker 4: I think it will come together. So I know It's

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Speaker 4: a long answer, but in short I would say I'm

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Speaker 4: not entirely satisfied, but at the same time, given what's happened,

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Speaker 4: I'm happy how things are going.

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Speaker 2: Good to have an extended chat with Jihan Kloertaliano, coach

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Speaker 2: of Wellington Phoenix. Their first game a week today, Western

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Speaker 2: this coming Saturday, five o'clock. Go Medium out smart against Brisbane.

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