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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the Global Leader,

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Speaker 1: and Luxury real Estate.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle with me this evening we have Jordan

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Speaker 2: Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Alie Jones of read PR.

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Speaker 2: Hello you two him?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: What's going on here?

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Speaker 3: Jordan?

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Speaker 2: You know politics? They're having a big old fight, are they.

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Speaker 3: It's someone at a party today said it's kind of

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Speaker 3: refreshing when you see your opponents going through it. Because,

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Speaker 3: of course it's the main reason one of the reasons

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get into party politics. And I

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Speaker 3: love the think tank called Pressure Group World because you

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Speaker 3: can actually get rid of toxic people. The problem is

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Speaker 3: in politics and public affairs is it inherently attracts people

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Speaker 3: that are on a spectrum. And I put myself there

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Speaker 3: in that too. But it means you can get some

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Speaker 3: difficult personalities and it's why a lot of political causes

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Speaker 3: often blow up. I mean this is I mean to

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Speaker 3: fall out with your main sort of pressure group, though

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Speaker 3: it was a bit like labor falling out with the

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Speaker 3: unions or the National Party falling out with the Taxpayers Union,

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Speaker 3: you're sort of going to have a Mary party without

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Speaker 3: its topappa or even worse. I see that this talk

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Speaker 3: of setting up another party in competition, So we're going

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Speaker 3: to have to party Maori and Maori to party.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I don't think Alie that he should

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Speaker 2: be left to naming these parties. That was a really

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Speaker 2: that was crap, wasn't it.

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Speaker 4: It was when I was listening to you talking to

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Speaker 4: who knows who and who's married it to who and

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Speaker 4: who's related to it reminded me of that TV show

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Speaker 4: Soap years ago, and I think you should have played

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Speaker 4: the theme of that underneath as you were talking about them.

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Speaker 4: It is really confusing. It sounds incredibly incestuous. But I

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Speaker 4: think one of the biggest issues here, and I'm not

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Speaker 4: a political expert obviously, is that the problem this leaves labor.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Greens are just a mess. They've lost

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Speaker 4: a third of their caucus this year and we've still

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Speaker 4: got you know, a year left of this sorry, a

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Speaker 4: third of their caucus in this term, and we've still

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Speaker 4: got a year of that term left. And now we've

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Speaker 4: got to party Marty as well, and there could be

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Speaker 4: another Maori party split in that vote. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: don't know what the hell lay the things that's going

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Speaker 4: to do now.

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Speaker 3: Labor a cockahooge. That was what the friend of mine

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Speaker 3: I was speaking to about about this, that labor went

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Speaker 3: from this because if you split the vote and the

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Speaker 3: more it this area is more than you know, it's

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Speaker 3: just it's all mess and normally that has a political cost.

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Speaker 3: But if you've got your voters aren't particularly engaged. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that it is the public perception of it

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Speaker 3: being messy. I think that the real issue here is

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Speaker 3: that the party Marty have had such a good ground

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Speaker 3: game and being well organized that if that has blown up,

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Speaker 3: all that organizational wing has blown up, that means that

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Speaker 3: that the sort of comparative advantage to labor is now gone.

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Speaker 2: I how why are they excited about this? Jordren, I

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Speaker 2: don't understand.

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Speaker 3: I don't know labor benefit and labor what the MARI

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Speaker 3: sets back and this is just the chances of that

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Speaker 3: have just increased.

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Speaker 2: Do you really think so?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: I mean that we just we just saw that play

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Speaker 3: out in the in the by election. We labour got

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Speaker 3: absolutely sipped smashed.

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Speaker 2: I said, what, but okay, so so the how does

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Speaker 2: this increase? Because because you'd have to assume that your

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Speaker 2: voter actually cares necessarily without I'm.

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Speaker 3: Saying it's probably not the case, but that if it has,

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Speaker 3: you know, this is the sort of organizational wing of

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Speaker 3: two party Maori that is splitting apart.

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Speaker 5: Then then I mean I take your point, Jordan, because

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Speaker 5: because Edu Kapakini is a really he's an activist for them, right,

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Speaker 5: he is able to get a lot of people out

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Speaker 5: on the ground, as you saw with that he COIs

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Speaker 5: So the loss of him I think is quite.

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Speaker 3: Big, right absolutely, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now Allie, tell me what you think about the

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Speaker 2: Gaza flow. Tell I should be helping these kids to

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Speaker 2: get that. Just leave it all.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, you know no, Well, look, you know this

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Speaker 4: is head and heart stuff. I might my head goes, Look,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, you make your bed, you li in it.

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Speaker 4: And I think that the team's dad with whom you

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Speaker 4: spoke was put it perfectly, that the boy knew what

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Speaker 4: he was doing. You cannot tell them my boys twenty two.

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Speaker 4: I know that this does not appear to be like

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Speaker 4: other examples recently where people were shot by by armed

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Speaker 4: forces coming onto ships. So my head tells me, you know,

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Speaker 4: life is about making decisions. There are consequences for that

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Speaker 4: you knew what you were doing. But then my heart goes,

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Speaker 4: we need to look after people whoever they are, Kiwi's

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Speaker 4: wherever they are, and if we can. I mean, this

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Speaker 4: is not a grown man, this is a team. He

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Speaker 4: doesn't have years of experience. We all know that men

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Speaker 4: especially don't really get their brains working until they're well

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Speaker 4: into their thirties, right Jordan, So I mean, what do

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Speaker 4: we do in that situation? I mean, should we actually

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Speaker 4: show some compassion or do we go, hey, you made

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Speaker 4: your bed mate? Lie?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jordan, know what your response, but let's get it

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Speaker 2: after the break.

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Speaker 1: Hang ons the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

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Speaker 1: Find You're one of a kind?

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Speaker 2: Right you back with the huddle, Jordan Williams Ali Jones, go, Jordan,

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Speaker 2: what do you think?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm delighted that Ali suggested that I'm still in

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Speaker 3: my twenties now forgotten what the questionerby?

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Speaker 2: BERTI should we be assisting the kids who've been caught

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Speaker 2: up in the The thing.

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Speaker 3: That annoys me as people go and do brave things

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Speaker 3: like I believe in this course so much, and were

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Speaker 3: going to do something stupid or illegal. But we now

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Speaker 3: live in a world where you try to get off.

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Speaker 3: Because I know I already believe in the cause, I

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Speaker 3: shouldn't get in trouble. The whole virtue was taking the

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Speaker 3: risk and getting in trouble. You can't have it both ways.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now what about Wayne Brown? How do you feel

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Speaker 2: about this? Jordan?

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Speaker 3: Well, he's told the tens of thousands of Ratepayers Alliance

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Speaker 3: members that have emailed them saying, hey, sign the pledge

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Speaker 3: like meres across the country are doing to that You're

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Speaker 3: only going to put rates up by inflation. You're going

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Speaker 3: to commit to spending, transparency, et cetera. And he told

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Speaker 3: one of the nicest guys I've ever met, my local

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Speaker 3: government campaigns manager, Sam Warren, to f Off, I think

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Speaker 3: it says more about mister Brown that it does out

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Speaker 3: Sam or the Auckland ratepayers supporters. He should just do

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Speaker 3: the you know, rather than just talk the talk, walk

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Speaker 3: the walk, and do what all the other candidates have

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Speaker 3: done and signed the rate Payer Protection Pledge.

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Speaker 2: Wish to be wish to be unambiguous ally and from

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Speaker 2: a pr perspective, I think you might have made that point.

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Speaker 4: I think it was a was a really dumb thing

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Speaker 4: to do. And I said, okay, so from a pr point, yeah,

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Speaker 4: absolutely dumb. From a candidate's point, pretty dumb as well.

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Speaker 4: And I have to say I'm running obviously, and I

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Speaker 4: haven't signed that pledge. And the reason I haven't.

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Speaker 3: Signed are you running for council or local board?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm running for council, so.

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Speaker 3: Because one of the goodies.

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Speaker 4: I am a goodie. And but the point that there

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Speaker 4: are two things here. Firstly, it is I've made it

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Speaker 4: very clear that I was like around the council, well

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Speaker 4: keep no, I want a rates cap, right, and that's

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Speaker 4: why campaign.

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Speaker 3: You can sign that one. That's one all.

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Speaker 4: The other truths for the children. No, I'm not going

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Speaker 4: through the bits and pieces on that. The point was

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Speaker 4: I felt you don't want.

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Speaker 3: To think that great players should know where the money

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Speaker 3: is going.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely I do. I'm saying more trucy. No, not signing anybody. No,

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Speaker 4: there were other things on there I didn't want to sign.

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Speaker 4: But the point.

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Speaker 3: Candidates that have signed the pledge, oh, well, put on there.

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Speaker 4: You can have a lot up for a minute, just

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Speaker 4: just chote. So there are a number of pledges initially

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Speaker 4: or surveys that I did do and signed, and all

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Speaker 4: they did was put them through some a AI machine

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Speaker 4: and gave me s on things. So I've oh, yeah, right, no,

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Speaker 4: I know you might not, but I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: do it. People know what I'm campelling.

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Speaker 3: You're one of the good ones. You should be. So

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Speaker 3: I'm really disappointed to hear that because I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to sign the other things there were.

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Speaker 4: There were two or three other points on there that

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Speaker 4: I thought were best of us.

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Speaker 3: The thing is, this is the trouble is you have

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Speaker 3: you have people like Wayne Brown that that say one

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Speaker 3: thing but do another. He's you know, in his long

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Speaker 3: term plan we're having a record high rates increase under

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Speaker 3: the super City next year. Is that it's really hard

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Speaker 3: for rate payers to figure it out when you got

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Speaker 3: politicants saying one thing but talk the whole purpose of

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Speaker 3: the pledge. And I know, yep, the various left wing

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Speaker 3: groups do the do something similar. It's actually just information

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Speaker 3: for voters when you.

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Speaker 4: Walk the talk, Jordan, when you're elected, and people know

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Speaker 4: what I'm campaigning on and what others are and so

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Speaker 4: they make the decision at the vot boost or rather

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Speaker 4: by hosting their their balance away.

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Speaker 3: Look the test of whether you walk as you're you know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's pretty simple. The rates cap so the caving

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Speaker 3: rates inflation, the transparent transparency, and no appointed or unelected

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Speaker 3: decision makers on spending or regitary matters, you know, to

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Speaker 3: council council committees. That's not a big ask. It's well,

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Speaker 3: a third one.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't that third one I was, and one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent happy with me.

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Speaker 3: Don't have to sign up to all three. And there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of you know, the Labor Party candidates.

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Speaker 4: Are you on a chart? Are you on a percentage

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Speaker 4: or something? Look, I'll get my people to.

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Speaker 2: Believe, confess, confess your role with the A A.

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Speaker 3: It's it's just the group of the text basing, you know,

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Speaker 3: I believe in that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, guys, listen, thank you. That was fascinating.

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Speaker 3: So disappointed.

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Speaker 2: Ali's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: You're so good. Even someone to break breaking my heart.

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Speaker 4: It's like, listen, Oh you're a greasy devil.

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Speaker 2: Lord, okay, buy the pair of you. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like having a couple at the next table having

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Speaker 2: an argument and you can't you don't really care, but

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Speaker 2: you can't help. But listen, Jordan Williams Allie Jones.

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