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Speaker 1: and everything in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoon SQUI Skoda News Talk SEDB.

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon, Ji, welcome into Thursday show. Really good there.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening as always, hope you're having a great day, Giday.

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Speaker 3: Matts, Getay, Tyler Gide everyone, Thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: Now, just before we get to today's show, I've just

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Speaker 2: got a question for you, met and for our listeners.

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Speaker 2: So recently, you know, I spend a lot of my

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Speaker 2: time at the dog park up at Mount Albert and

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Speaker 2: got to chatting with this guy to see often with

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Speaker 2: his dog Nelly, and Nelly and Pepper, my dog, they

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Speaker 2: get on Look House on Fire. Finally we got chatting

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Speaker 2: and it turns out he's a bit of a squash playwer, right,

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Speaker 2: and I used to like a bit of squash. So

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Speaker 2: then we decided, actually let's exchange numbers and go down

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Speaker 2: for a bit of a squash game at some stage,

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Speaker 2: which is nice. But my question for you is, so

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Speaker 2: me and this fella s name's Damien, lovely guy. We're

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Speaker 2: going to go down and play squash at some stage.

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Speaker 2: But at this point in the relationship, do I attempt

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Speaker 2: to try and absolutely demolish him at this game of

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Speaker 2: squash or do we keep it as friendly as possible

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Speaker 2: to ensure hopefully this friendship continues to blossom.

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Speaker 3: Three points on this Obviously a lot of squash clubs

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Speaker 3: as swingers clubs in disguise. You're going to be careful

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Speaker 3: what the invitation actually means.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we better clarify that.

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Speaker 3: First second. Having absolutely humiliated you at table tennis, I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure how many people you could beat at squash.

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Speaker 2: My confidence is high. Maybe too high, some would say.

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Speaker 3: And thirdly, yeah, destroy him so he respects.

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Speaker 2: You, Okay, destroy him, go hard? Okay, right, Damien. If

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Speaker 2: you're listening, mate, it's all on ninety two nine two.

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Speaker 2: If you're a squash player as well, you might see

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Speaker 2: us down there right to today's show after three o'clock

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Speaker 2: when I have a chat about loosely bears leomin Well

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Speaker 2: know in Australian directories directed some phenomenal films. But he said,

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Speaker 2: here's twenty a twenty year nine marriage two wife Catherine Martin,

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Speaker 2: isn't traditional toy spend a lot of time apart because

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Speaker 2: of work, and have an unconventional, unconventional dynamic, but he exists.

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Speaker 2: It is strong, absolutely real, built on deep trust and creativity.

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Speaker 2: So this is effectively a long distance marriage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thinks something going on there. I don't believe

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Speaker 3: that you can have a marriage. Is it really a

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Speaker 3: marriage off both of you if you live in cities

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Speaker 3: that are thousands and thousands of miles apart and hardly

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Speaker 3: ever see each other.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. Yeah, long marriage, long distance relationship,

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Speaker 2: full stop. No, it ends poorly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's possible. No, I think I

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Speaker 3: think that. Not only do I not think it's possible,

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Speaker 3: I think it's pointless. I think if you're not with

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Speaker 3: the person and then you're not with the person, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean if you I mean maybe, like if you

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Speaker 3: you know, once a week or whatever, maybe, But if

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Speaker 3: you're not seeing them for years and years then and

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Speaker 3: you're not living in the same city, no you can't. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just falling, you're hiding something.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be a great chat after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: After two o'clock, New Zealand is a drinking less alcohol

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Speaker 2: it is contributing to the lowest per adult consumption on record.

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Speaker 2: This is roughly one point standard drinks a day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So one of the issues here is the insane

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Speaker 3: also punished HOSPO with it. Right, So there are now

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Speaker 3: And so if drinking is tapering off, then at the

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Speaker 3: very least we should freeze the increases in excise tax.

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Speaker 3: where the problem is. Someone buying a one one two

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Speaker 2: That's a problem that's where yeah, abuses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's already onerous demands on restaurants and bars

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Speaker 3: you're providing security, you're testing them, you're looking at them

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Speaker 3: aren't drinking so much isn't just because they've gone off

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Speaker 3: alcohol there suddenly becoming healthier and more sober. It's because

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Speaker 3: people are becoming less social and they're at home and

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Speaker 3: It's part of the reason why people are drinking drinking less. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: a community there. So cut the excise tax from alcohol

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Speaker 3: and bars. They do good in the community tax, take

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Speaker 3: home alcohol through the up the wazoo. Who cares? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you want people out drinking in bars.

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Speaker 2: Interesting idea and we're going to get your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: that after two o'clock. But right now, let's have a

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Speaker 2: chat about an opinion piece by Richard Prebble, former Labor

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Speaker 2: Minister and act Party leader. Of course, so he's talking

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Speaker 2: about super annuation and he says it is the biggest

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Speaker 2: how much we pay for super annuation. Here's his proposal.

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Speaker 2: He has said we should create a two tear retirement system,

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Speaker 2: so from sixty five, those unable to work could receive

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Speaker 2: a modest pension sense set around the job se GRE

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Speaker 2: rate with no work requirement. Universal super would instead start

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Speaker 2: at seventy two and be inflation indexed. People could choose

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Speaker 2: the lower payment between sixty five and seventy two, but

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Speaker 2: that decision would be permanent. So you decide to take

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Speaker 2: year until you leave this earth. But for those that

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Speaker 2: a little while after seventy two at a much higher rate.

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Speaker 3: So very recently we had this discussion about the raising

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Speaker 3: of the super rate. Did you do the stats there

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Speaker 3: to Tyler? Did you say that the worker two over

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Speaker 3: sixty five ratio has fallen from eight to one in

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Speaker 3: projects that the ratio will drop to two to one

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Speaker 3: by twenty fifty one. How much further can it drop

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Speaker 3: in that when it's one to one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they shouldn't bring that up, but I'm glad you

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Speaker 3: And the government spends twenty five billion annually on New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Super and the government's currently running a deficit of

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Speaker 3: I believe. But at that point the big thing that

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Speaker 3: it's unfair on workers that work in physical jobs. Yes, all,

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Speaker 3: very well for a couple of muppets like you and Tyler,

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Speaker 3: You and Tyler, you and me, Tyler yep to keep

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Speaker 3: working till we're one hundred and twenty. But you know

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Speaker 3: we're not having to use our bodies. We're not able

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Speaker 3: to physically punishing laboring.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, over many, many years, I've got soft hands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you're going to remain that way.

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Speaker 3: Your back's fine. But you know you are forty years old.

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Speaker 3: So you're not getting any super no matter what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not an equation for me. I'm out, whatever happens.

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Speaker 3: But so this offers a solution to that problem, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: So basically, if you're sixty five and you can't work,

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Speaker 3: then you can retire, but you will get basically the

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Speaker 3: equivalent of the job seekers benefit. Correct, but it won't

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Speaker 3: So you can retire at that age. But then if

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Speaker 3: you're locked in on that. Yeah, but if you wait

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Speaker 3: then you go in on the largest super rate, which

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Speaker 3: is what five hundred and fifty dollars standard in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Super for a single person living alone is roughly five

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Speaker 2: It's a gamble because if you defer to seventy two,

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Speaker 2: you're backing yourself to live at least another ten years.

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Speaker 2: And you know, eighty two. A lot of people live

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Speaker 2: I can hold on to get you know, make it

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Speaker 3: And what it will stop is the you know, just

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Speaker 2: Wolves, right, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: They'll get the equivalent of the job seekers benefit with

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Speaker 3: of the many people when we last talked about this,

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Speaker 3: handed people like Tyler, who've never done an honest days

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Speaker 3: work in his life, can keep going forever, whereas people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, through I eight one hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 2: eighty love to get your thoughts on this one. Would

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Speaker 2: you defer your retirement age if you got more at

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Speaker 2: seventy two? Do you think you could hang on in

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Speaker 2: the workforce for another seven years?

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

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Speaker 2: Nineteen niney two is the text.

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Speaker 3: But the thing is something has to happen. And what

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Speaker 3: he points out in this article, which is interesting is

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Speaker 3: that Chris Hopkins didn't mention it at all, and this

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Speaker 3: no political parties are really talking about it because it's

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Speaker 2: It's hot potato that they just keep chucking to the

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Speaker 3: So I think the way he put it, he defined

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Speaker 3: what the situation was with it politically, that Chris Hiptons

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Speaker 3: in a State of nation speech did not mention the

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Speaker 3: superation of annuation crisis at all. National it is cautiously

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Speaker 3: towards high eligibility ages. When Sir Peter's will veto all

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Speaker 3: of it, he will. The Greens argue that the rich

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Speaker 3: just to take money off other people. To solve problems

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Speaker 3: as if the tax base is unlimited, but demographics are.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what you choose, what your political one.

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Speaker 3: This is coming for us. Yep, this is coming for

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Speaker 3: Who was it that said, is it demographics are destiny?

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Speaker 2: Which means yet the super annuation would fail. Oh eight

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two is the text number. It is seventeen

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 2: Twenty past one. So Richard Prebble has a proposal to

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Speaker 2: that fear, Paul, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this, hey, guys?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I just tipped over that.

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Speaker 7: Age congratulation receiving it recently.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you. I can't say it's wonderful. I look

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Speaker 8: Word for it.

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Speaker 6: Thanks guys. So the money isn't a great deal when

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Speaker 6: He will earn money till the day he dies while

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Speaker 6: They're pouring in and I think it's only ten years.

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Speaker 6: You had to be fair. Then you get superannuation. So

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Speaker 3: How you say about you know the amount of emrogance

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Speaker 6: No, But the problem is their parents come in and

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Speaker 6: up to ten years of getting the super.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it does seem that, I mean, ten years

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Speaker 6: It should be like thirty I mean, and what does

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Speaker 6: I can see it coming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but just on back to Preble's proposal, Paul, can

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Speaker 2: sixty five? It's just a reduced amount. And if you

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Speaker 2: no doubt about it. But the idea of deferring it

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Speaker 2: Then you're going to get a decent whack at that time.

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Speaker 2: All in a bid to try and solve this problem

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Speaker 6: Right, Well, what I suggested would be a quick fact

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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting point, Paul, and I think there was some

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Speaker 2: But yeah, well we have to do some research into

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Speaker 3: But for you, I mean, would you would you then

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Speaker 3: if you've been paying tax for forty five years, you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that that'll be hard that home parents wouldn't that

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, great, showy interesting points.

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Speaker 3: Paul, Thanks very much for your call and congratulations on

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Speaker 2: You're going to be going hard well after seventy two, Paul,

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Speaker 2: I had one hundred eighty I one hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call. So what do you

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Speaker 2: reckon about this proposal from Richard Preeble? Was it fair

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Speaker 3: And you know that I am obsessed with words and

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Speaker 3: So it just struck me. I didn't know what it

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Speaker 2: Twenty eight pass one. Now, just before the break, you

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Speaker 2: the word super annuation.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so I always thought it's super innuitant as where

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Speaker 3: obviously for a long time you sit here super innuitant,

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Speaker 3: didn't you. Yes, So basically it comes from the Latin

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Speaker 3: it's so annual if you see what I'm saying, right, okay, yes,

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Speaker 2: Interesting, it's a lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: So super is Latin for a bow, over and beyond. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, Superman is a superman. Yes, obviously supermarket is

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Speaker 3: Come on, you're better than that.

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Speaker 2: We're having a we're having a deep dive discussion here.

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Speaker 3: In Latins means a year, okay, right, So super inuitant

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Speaker 3: as someone that is over the years that you're required

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Speaker 3: Interesting, And that was it used to be, you know,

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Speaker 3: And there was over the time you had to be

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Speaker 3: that's what super annuation is I never questioned it and

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Speaker 3: I should you know it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, very good. You can't say you don't loann

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Speaker 3: And mature for you to smirk at one of those words.

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Speaker 2: A couple of tickus covering through on nine to two

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Speaker 3: Hi, guys, ridiculous idea from Preble just keep working or retire?

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Speaker 3: Choose between the two that will save a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: But the point is that some people can't keep working

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Speaker 3: can't if we move the age up to seventy two,

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Speaker 2: It seems like an incentive as a way to solve

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Speaker 8: You hire Tyler and Matt And how long have I got?

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Speaker 8: Okay, So I do receive super superannuation. Congratulations, and it's

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Speaker 8: a great feeling, you guys, it's a great feeling to

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Speaker 8: not going to make a big argument. I just think

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Speaker 8: people who say put it to seventy two haven't really

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Speaker 3: Because but the problem is Devra that we're having to

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Speaker 8: Now, what about well, you know, you know what about

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Speaker 8: every year that is sixteen billion of New Zealand tax

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Speaker 8: payer dollar every year we spend on saving people who

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Speaker 8: don't work, So people who have worked. I think by

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Speaker 8: sixty five it's a jolly good idea to let them

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Speaker 8: go on stop working if they want to. And I

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Speaker 8: do like the idea that people who are labor or

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Speaker 8: manual or builders and their bodies start to ache by

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Speaker 8: sixty five. I know some. I know some, and I

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Speaker 8: really want them to be on superannuation at sixty five.

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Speaker 8: And I also know a painter who says he's just

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Speaker 8: going to keep on painting. So I'm gunning for sixty five.

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Speaker 8: And when you balance it out with the amount that

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Speaker 8: we give two benefit people, and I think sometimes let's

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Speaker 8: work out why are they on the benefit. Let's perhaps

447
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Speaker 8: try and reduce the amount we spend there, and we

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Speaker 8: could give that to the people who've worked all their

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Speaker 8: lives in super annuation.

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Speaker 2: Debra, thank you very much. I'll pick up on that.

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Speaker 2: That are, you know, trying to compare it to the

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Speaker 2: benefit of the job seeker. I'll just flesh that out

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Speaker 2: after the headlines, because that's coming up. But also taking

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Speaker 2: your calls on oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: ifterfering super to seventy two men higher payments, would you

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Speaker 2: do it? Really can to get your view on that.

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Speaker 2: Nine to nine two is the text. Headlines are coming up.

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Speaker 12: point five billion dollars for the six months to December

467
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Speaker 12: thirty one start contrast, in New Zealand's figures for the

468
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Speaker 12: same period a pre tax loss of fifty nine million dollars.

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Speaker 12: hardship rose by almost twenty four thousand in the past

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Speaker 12: more children living in inadequately heated homes and unable to

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylean. So we're talking about a

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Speaker 2: proposal from Richard Preble. Effectively, he's suggesting a two tear

483
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Speaker 2: pension system that if you can work and you refer

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Speaker 2: until seventy two, you will get a higher pension than

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Speaker 2: those who decide to take it at sixty five.

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Speaker 3: This Texas says, we don't have to borrow to pay

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Speaker 3: for super annuation. We have eighty billion plus in the

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Speaker 3: Color Fund. Are you people stupid? No, it's all factored

489
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Speaker 3: in the Color Fund. So the Color Fund started in

490
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Speaker 3: the early two thousands. It currently sits at around seventy

491
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Speaker 3: about seventy billion dollars. The annual New Zealand supercost is

492
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Speaker 3: about twenty five billion dollars per year now, but that

493
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Speaker 3: is going up rapidly with the demographics that we were

494
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Speaker 3: talking about before. So we're not going to start withdrawing

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Speaker 3: from that until the two thirties onwards. Primarily start withdrawing

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Speaker 3: after the two thousand and thirties onwards, and the fund

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Speaker 3: will cover roughly fifteen percent of annual New Zealand Super

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Speaker 3: costs until it runs out. So as the super costs

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Speaker 3: get up around forty to fifty billion dollars, you're looking

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Speaker 3: at the Color Fund covering between six and ten billion

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Speaker 3: of the year of that a year until it runs out.

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Speaker 2: Right, So it's a band aid effectively.

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Speaker 3: Well what it is. It's a softer landing, but it

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Speaker 3: doesn't solve the issue at hand that we are heading

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Speaker 3: towards a ratio of two to one.

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Speaker 2: Workers and once we run out of the Color Fund.

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Speaker 3: Two workers for every one person on superannuation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so once we run out of that fund,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be even deeper in the stock.

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Speaker 3: So all the figures that we're working with, and Richard

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Speaker 3: Prebble was working with in his article take into account

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Speaker 3: the Color Fund.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: One, a couple more texts, Hey guys love the show

515
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Speaker 3: as a moment from South Africa. Get really frustrated with

516
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Speaker 3: kiwis who think we come across for free, then leach

517
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Speaker 3: on the super to migrate here costs thousand dollars with

518
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Speaker 3: no certainty of residency. Then to bring parents over is

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Speaker 3: another exploitation of our money as well as being a

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Speaker 3: lottery system for selection, love the country, but hate how

521
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Speaker 3: keis don't realize appreciate what we bring to the country,

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Speaker 3: and why should we have to be apart from family forever?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great text, interesting point. Now, just briefly, Debra mentioned

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Speaker 2: before why don't we start to look at cutting the

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Speaker 2: benefits system and save the pension. She mentioned the benefits

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Speaker 2: costing fourteen billion dollars and the pension at the stage

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Speaker 2: is twenty four billion dollars. Right, but I just wanted

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Speaker 2: to say, man to me twenty five. Sorry, that extra

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Speaker 2: billion does matter a lot.

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Speaker 3: It's just an extra billion, just.

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Speaker 2: An extra billion. But the difference I see there is

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Speaker 2: the benefits system is there when you actually need it,

533
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Speaker 2: you're going to jump through a lot of hoops. It

534
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Speaker 2: is the you know, the safety net at the bottom

535
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Speaker 2: when you desperately need it and you've got to prove

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Speaker 2: that you do need it. You don't have to prove

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Speaker 2: anything to get the pension. You get the pension by

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Speaker 2: value of what you've contributed to society. We understand that,

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Speaker 2: but I you know, we need that benefit system for

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Speaker 2: people that generally desperately need it. And then when you

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Speaker 2: look at the what we're doing with the pension, any

542
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Speaker 2: idea of means testing freaks people out because say, why

543
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Speaker 2: do I you know I've done well in life, so

544
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Speaker 2: why should I be punished by by doing well and

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Speaker 2: having extra texts that I've contributed to the society. I

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Speaker 2: get that idea, but the very fact you say that

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Speaker 2: the pension is crap, get rid of it and pump

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Speaker 2: it into the pension, I don't buy that, because effectively,

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Speaker 2: the pension is a benefit, and it's a benefit you

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Speaker 2: don't have to prove anything to tap into. Is that

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Speaker 2: really good for society if that's your way of thinking?

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Speaker 3: Okay, would you accept this tyler that if they're going

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Speaker 3: to tighten up on superannuation entitlement, they should equal they

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Speaker 3: should also tighten up on benefit. You know how hard

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Speaker 3: it is to get the benefit and what you have

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Speaker 3: to do for the benefit and stuff. Don't you think

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Speaker 3: they should tighten up at both ends.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep. Absolutely, I'd agree with it, because.

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Speaker 3: For what you're saying, to work would mean that the

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Speaker 3: benefit is very hard to get on and very hard

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Speaker 3: to stay on, and that you have to be trying

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Speaker 3: to get to work and you have to be trying

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Speaker 3: to get back into the workforce. As long as that

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Speaker 3: is true, then what you're saying is fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if I just look at it as a bit

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Speaker 2: of an analogy in that situation. So say you're on

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Speaker 2: the benefit and the government says, if you get a

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Speaker 2: job because you've put the work in to actually get

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Speaker 2: off the benefit and stop being suck to our fund

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Speaker 2: and the textpayer money, we're going to give you an

571
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Speaker 2: extra two K. That's your wee bonus for getting a job.

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Speaker 2: We're going to give you two K because you've actually

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Speaker 2: got yourself off the benefit.

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Speaker 3: It's my two k for having a job.

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Speaker 2: You get your two k every fortnighte mate and then

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Speaker 2: some But yeah, so then you look at the benefit

577
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Speaker 2: and what people's proposing is the incentive is that you

578
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Speaker 2: defer and you do what is right for New Zealand

579
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Speaker 2: in this hole that we're in with how much we're

580
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Speaker 2: paying for superannuation. To me, that's the same deal, right,

581
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Speaker 2: incentivize people to do the right thing, then hopefully they

582
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Speaker 2: will do the right thing. But if people don't do

583
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Speaker 2: the right thing, they don't get as much money.

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Speaker 3: You're just angry because you're twenty five years away from

585
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Speaker 3: sixty five and you know you're not getting nothing.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting nothing and I'm pissed about it. Right, Oh,

587
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number of call?

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Speaker 2: So is it fair that if you defer to seventy

589
00:28:16,893 --> 00:28:19,253
Speaker 2: two you'll get more pension than those that take it

590
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Speaker 2: at sixty five? Eighteen to two? Bag very surely.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons with Skoda.

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Speaker 7: Can you crack the scoter codes news talks.

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Speaker 2: There'd be sixteen to two stein. Can you get your

595
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Speaker 2: thoughts on this?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I just want to say that this upcoming debarcle that

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Speaker 4: Richard Prebble is talking about, it's actually our own making

599
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Speaker 4: if you look at it through history, it's ours and

600
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Speaker 4: our politicians own making for disaster. If you're looking the

601
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Speaker 4: nine early seventy, Norman Kirk made the superannuation compulsory for everyone.

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Speaker 4: Muldoon calls it communism. They all voted Muldoon and stand

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Speaker 4: it and all the money that will say twinter thing

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Speaker 4: break now where now there's no thing back and we're shit, Well.

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Speaker 3: We do every d Dan was good, beautiful Dan. We're

606
00:29:11,093 --> 00:29:11,813
Speaker 3: havy for that one.

607
00:29:12,573 --> 00:29:14,213
Speaker 4: Yeah we are, But that could have still been made

608
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Speaker 4: without having to have scraped our superinderation.

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Speaker 3: Can I just not.

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Speaker 4: The whole picture? I need to I need to give

611
00:29:24,013 --> 00:29:26,053
Speaker 4: you a whole picture. Then you've got the colored son.

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Speaker 4: Thankfully that isn't being done with. And then they realized

613
00:29:28,933 --> 00:29:30,933
Speaker 4: we needed something else, which was key. We say that

614
00:29:32,293 --> 00:29:34,413
Speaker 4: how many times has key? We say, they've been played

615
00:29:34,453 --> 00:29:37,973
Speaker 4: around with where it started offwards, great incentives for everyone

616
00:29:38,013 --> 00:29:41,413
Speaker 4: to get involved, So almost nothing that's not thinking long term,

617
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Speaker 4: that's short of them in screwing everyone and going we're

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Speaker 4: passing the back on all these incentives, and that's how

619
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Speaker 4: we've ended up in this great disaster that we've got

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Speaker 4: at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right, Stein, And if you think about it,

622
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Speaker 3: there is an argument. So people say, well, I've paid

623
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Speaker 3: tax into the system, so I deserve to get it back.

624
00:30:00,173 --> 00:30:04,413
Speaker 3: But equally, we've voted in governments that haven't done what

625
00:30:04,453 --> 00:30:07,733
Speaker 3: they've needed to do to secure the money needed for

626
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Speaker 3: your retirement. So yeah, as you say, with through the

627
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Speaker 3: muldoone situation, I mean, you know so many economists have

628
00:30:14,293 --> 00:30:15,773
Speaker 3: gone back and said that was one of the most

629
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Speaker 3: terrible things for our country. And look how great the

630
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Speaker 3: whole system is in Australia in terms of retirement compared.

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Speaker 3: We could have had that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And like I said when Sue, I was

633
00:30:26,213 --> 00:30:30,733
Speaker 4: already in a fund through work before key We Saber came.

634
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Speaker 4: Then I moved across the key We Saver based on

635
00:30:33,653 --> 00:30:35,213
Speaker 4: the fact that I was going to get an additional

636
00:30:35,333 --> 00:30:38,653
Speaker 4: thousand dollars a year in my working life. I worked

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Speaker 4: that out to be approximately thirty grand plus tax. Now

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00:30:41,773 --> 00:30:44,653
Speaker 4: I'm going to get two fifty. It's been changed so

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Speaker 4: many times, but it's like ken we say there as

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Speaker 4: a jont It's started rock at four percent, got dropped

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Speaker 4: a two percent, and know it's too little, and employe's

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Speaker 4: contributions are now tax The problem is, isn't it that

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Speaker 4: we struggled no non tax with which goes into your

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00:31:01,253 --> 00:31:04,573
Speaker 4: second part of this yours show, which is the tax system.

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Speaker 4: If you want to look at excise tax, that's part

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Speaker 4: of the whole tax system. Everything needs to be looked at.

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Speaker 4: And people talk about tax it sh'll just be oh, no,

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Speaker 4: not my tax break. I pay do much the whole

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Speaker 4: tax system as a whole to bring fairness through the

650
00:31:17,613 --> 00:31:19,893
Speaker 4: entire system, not one particular point.

651
00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:22,773
Speaker 3: I thank you for your call. Stein appreciate it. Yeah,

652
00:31:22,893 --> 00:31:27,933
Speaker 3: I mean that the problem is politically, it's never a

653
00:31:27,973 --> 00:31:30,573
Speaker 3: good time to think about the future. It's always about

654
00:31:30,613 --> 00:31:32,893
Speaker 3: what can people give get right now?

655
00:31:33,053 --> 00:31:33,293
Speaker 2: Yep.

656
00:31:33,813 --> 00:31:36,653
Speaker 3: So all the way through we're going, well, you know,

657
00:31:37,013 --> 00:31:39,213
Speaker 3: key we Saver changes the key we saver, but people

658
00:31:39,213 --> 00:31:41,573
Speaker 3: are young, people are putting into it, and they've got

659
00:31:41,573 --> 00:31:42,853
Speaker 3: this money. I want to buy, I want to get

660
00:31:42,853 --> 00:31:45,253
Speaker 3: deposit for a house. You know, all these different reasons

661
00:31:45,293 --> 00:31:46,653
Speaker 3: why you might be able to take out of key

662
00:31:46,653 --> 00:31:50,893
Speaker 3: we Saver because that's politically expedient now, yes, so hard

663
00:31:50,933 --> 00:31:53,293
Speaker 3: to sell the dream for thirty years down the track

664
00:31:53,453 --> 00:31:56,573
Speaker 3: or what needs to be done for twenty thirty forty years.

665
00:31:56,693 --> 00:31:56,893
Speaker 4: Yeah.

666
00:31:57,213 --> 00:31:59,613
Speaker 3: Never, that never wins you an election.

667
00:31:59,813 --> 00:32:01,493
Speaker 2: No, you get punished if you're going to say you're

668
00:32:01,493 --> 00:32:03,573
Speaker 2: going to raise the retirement age, because those who are

669
00:32:03,613 --> 00:32:05,893
Speaker 2: almost sixty five come out and droves and say, no,

670
00:32:05,973 --> 00:32:07,973
Speaker 2: thank you very much, I'm almost there. I just thought

671
00:32:07,973 --> 00:32:12,853
Speaker 2: this lot from Preble was quite apt, and he said,

672
00:32:12,933 --> 00:32:16,253
Speaker 2: our choices start continuing borrowing into the markets and posed

673
00:32:16,253 --> 00:32:18,573
Speaker 2: discipline or act now while we still have control and

674
00:32:18,573 --> 00:32:21,533
Speaker 2: about super annuation. So isn't it if we don't start

675
00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:24,813
Speaker 2: doing something now that some parties get brave enough, or

676
00:32:24,973 --> 00:32:26,773
Speaker 2: they work together to figure out how we're going to

677
00:32:26,773 --> 00:32:29,893
Speaker 2: get out of this mess. It's gonna happen anyway. Oh yes,

678
00:32:29,933 --> 00:32:31,973
Speaker 2: So so anybody who is looking to say, you're never

679
00:32:31,973 --> 00:32:34,733
Speaker 2: going to take my pension away if we don't do something,

680
00:32:34,773 --> 00:32:37,373
Speaker 2: that's exactly what's going to happen, because we'll be bankrupt.

681
00:32:37,413 --> 00:32:38,893
Speaker 2: There will be no more color and fun. There's no

682
00:32:38,933 --> 00:32:42,013
Speaker 2: more money for super annuation. So it will happen rapidly

683
00:32:42,093 --> 00:32:44,893
Speaker 2: and very painfully. We've got an opportunity now to do

684
00:32:44,933 --> 00:32:47,213
Speaker 2: it slowly that it's not going to hurt as many people.

685
00:32:46,973 --> 00:32:49,573
Speaker 3: Will either make a plan or a plan or be

686
00:32:49,653 --> 00:32:52,293
Speaker 3: enforced onto us when we can no longer borrow the money.

687
00:32:52,373 --> 00:32:54,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what do you say though? Oh eight hundred

688
00:32:54,773 --> 00:32:57,253
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nineteen ninety

689
00:32:57,213 --> 00:33:00,053
Speaker 2: two is the text? It is eleven to two.

690
00:33:01,093 --> 00:33:04,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on. Oh, eight

691
00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:06,813
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

692
00:33:06,813 --> 00:33:10,213
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons.

693
00:33:11,013 --> 00:33:13,813
Speaker 2: News dogs there be. It is eight to two, Elliott,

694
00:33:14,213 --> 00:33:14,973
Speaker 2: what's your thoughts?

695
00:33:16,053 --> 00:33:20,733
Speaker 9: I'll keep it nice and tired. This isn't being presented

696
00:33:20,773 --> 00:33:23,733
Speaker 9: in the right way. Retirings and people are going to

697
00:33:23,733 --> 00:33:26,013
Speaker 9: get their pensions, they've already paid the money for it.

698
00:33:26,733 --> 00:33:30,253
Speaker 9: They're paying attacks on both ends when they put the

699
00:33:30,293 --> 00:33:33,413
Speaker 9: retirement fund in and when they take out. Essentially the

700
00:33:33,453 --> 00:33:36,253
Speaker 9: government's saying we make the bit in the middle. So

701
00:33:36,293 --> 00:33:38,173
Speaker 9: they've already paid the money, and now the government's saying

702
00:33:38,173 --> 00:33:41,133
Speaker 9: we haven't got enough money to pay back that money

703
00:33:41,133 --> 00:33:44,253
Speaker 9: you gave us. It's not the right argument. You don't

704
00:33:44,253 --> 00:33:47,013
Speaker 9: have to retire at sixty five. We can work for

705
00:33:47,093 --> 00:33:50,333
Speaker 9: as long as you want. However, Collen's saying, oh, we

706
00:33:50,373 --> 00:33:52,853
Speaker 9: won't give you your pension that you have paid until

707
00:33:52,893 --> 00:33:57,333
Speaker 9: your seventy fives. This is a dishonest framing of the problem.

708
00:33:57,413 --> 00:33:59,773
Speaker 9: We all had sympathy to the country, but you're making

709
00:33:59,813 --> 00:34:02,573
Speaker 9: people's money who may die in between.

710
00:34:02,893 --> 00:34:05,773
Speaker 2: That's always been the argument, Elliott. But how do you

711
00:34:05,853 --> 00:34:08,813
Speaker 2: get around the problem that we are facing. As Matters

712
00:34:08,813 --> 00:34:11,252
Speaker 2: said multiple times, that holding.

713
00:34:10,933 --> 00:34:13,493
Speaker 9: People accountable for nicking the cash and spending on things

714
00:34:13,493 --> 00:34:14,493
Speaker 9: that weren't related to it.

715
00:34:14,533 --> 00:34:17,133
Speaker 3: But if you have them accountable, can you financially hold

716
00:34:17,133 --> 00:34:19,613
Speaker 3: them accountable such that we have the fifty billion dollars

717
00:34:19,653 --> 00:34:20,613
Speaker 3: a year we need.

718
00:34:20,773 --> 00:34:22,893
Speaker 9: So it's no more that you can Robert Maxwell.

719
00:34:23,213 --> 00:34:27,693
Speaker 3: But do you think that potentially the voters hold some

720
00:34:27,853 --> 00:34:31,413
Speaker 3: blame in this because we're voted in governments that haven't

721
00:34:31,413 --> 00:34:33,093
Speaker 3: done the right thing over and over and over again.

722
00:34:33,533 --> 00:34:35,733
Speaker 9: Well, it's one government will be the other one's just

723
00:34:35,773 --> 00:34:37,813
Speaker 9: sitting on the bench until they get up, So you

724
00:34:37,813 --> 00:34:39,613
Speaker 9: don't really have much for choice in its regard.

725
00:34:39,693 --> 00:34:41,293
Speaker 3: But we've been voting in governments that have done nothing

726
00:34:41,293 --> 00:34:43,253
Speaker 3: about it since the sixth since the seventies.

727
00:34:43,853 --> 00:34:47,013
Speaker 9: Yeah, but both were going to do nothing about it,

728
00:34:46,493 --> 00:34:49,973
Speaker 9: and that's the thing they macked the cash.

729
00:34:50,173 --> 00:34:54,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that they've got a good argument there.

730
00:34:54,373 --> 00:34:56,172
Speaker 3: But the problem is that doesn't solve the problem that

731
00:34:56,173 --> 00:34:58,252
Speaker 3: we have right now that we don't have the cash

732
00:34:58,253 --> 00:35:01,213
Speaker 3: and we're currently borrowing money from overseas to pay for sent.

733
00:35:01,253 --> 00:35:04,253
Speaker 9: GDP that slightly more than zero might help, and that

734
00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:10,093
Speaker 9: would require government as systems to support medium and small sized. Ironically,

735
00:35:10,173 --> 00:35:13,893
Speaker 9: the people who Cohen would propose come out of the

736
00:35:13,933 --> 00:35:18,453
Speaker 9: retirement homes and populate these businesses, Well.

737
00:35:18,373 --> 00:35:19,213
Speaker 3: Good on you, Elliott.

738
00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:22,053
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I mean again, I think it's pretty simple

739
00:35:22,133 --> 00:35:24,053
Speaker 2: to me. Either we start doing something, or it's going

740
00:35:24,093 --> 00:35:26,453
Speaker 2: to be forced upon people. You know, Elliott, Look, he

741
00:35:26,533 --> 00:35:28,693
Speaker 2: make some fear point. A lot of people feel that

742
00:35:28,733 --> 00:35:30,453
Speaker 2: way that they've worked all this life and the government

743
00:35:30,453 --> 00:35:32,773
Speaker 2: owns that owes them the pension. But if there's no

744
00:35:32,813 --> 00:35:35,413
Speaker 2: money to pay the pension, as there probably will be

745
00:35:35,613 --> 00:35:38,413
Speaker 2: by twenty fifty, then tough bickies, there's going to be

746
00:35:38,493 --> 00:35:40,533
Speaker 2: nothing for you. No matter how angry you get or

747
00:35:40,493 --> 00:35:42,773
Speaker 2: who you want to vote for, it's going to be nothing.

748
00:35:42,853 --> 00:35:43,453
Speaker 2: In the kiddy.

749
00:35:43,653 --> 00:35:46,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, as we started this hour saying demographics

750
00:35:46,973 --> 00:35:50,772
Speaker 3: of destiny, when Super hits fifty billion dollars a year,

751
00:35:51,333 --> 00:35:53,133
Speaker 3: our hands will be forced. We won't be able to

752
00:35:53,173 --> 00:35:55,613
Speaker 3: borrow the money anymore, and fear or not, And it

753
00:35:55,733 --> 00:35:59,293
Speaker 3: isn't fear. You know, people have paid their taxes their

754
00:35:59,293 --> 00:36:01,333
Speaker 3: whole life, so it's not fear that things are going

755
00:36:01,373 --> 00:36:03,213
Speaker 3: to happen. But it's also not a fear to borrow

756
00:36:03,293 --> 00:36:05,693
Speaker 3: the money and get the grandchildren to pay for it

757
00:36:05,733 --> 00:36:09,692
Speaker 3: when they won't be getting Super. So all of it's

758
00:36:09,733 --> 00:36:12,493
Speaker 3: not fair. But this is a situation that we're in

759
00:36:12,653 --> 00:36:15,133
Speaker 3: this at a moment, and at some point a hand

760
00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:16,973
Speaker 3: is going to be forced. So we need to come

761
00:36:17,053 --> 00:36:20,893
Speaker 3: up with a plan now before it all just explodes

762
00:36:21,013 --> 00:36:22,053
Speaker 3: and no one gets anything.

763
00:36:22,173 --> 00:36:25,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, so true, so true, great discussion. Thank you very

764
00:36:25,413 --> 00:36:28,732
Speaker 2: much to everybody who phoned and text over that our

765
00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:32,013
Speaker 2: really enjoyed that discussion, and no doubt it will float

766
00:36:32,093 --> 00:36:34,453
Speaker 2: up again over the coming months, never goes away.

767
00:36:34,613 --> 00:36:36,732
Speaker 3: I've got a feeling we won't do anything to sort

768
00:36:36,773 --> 00:36:38,133
Speaker 3: it out. That's just my gut feeling.

769
00:36:38,173 --> 00:36:39,652
Speaker 2: I think you might be right, age. Yeah.

770
00:36:39,693 --> 00:36:42,453
Speaker 3: As a country going back on our history, yep, I

771
00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:44,093
Speaker 3: reckon it's a good bet that we will not get

772
00:36:44,533 --> 00:36:46,772
Speaker 3: around to sorting it out and our hand will be forced.

773
00:36:46,853 --> 00:36:47,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's safe.

774
00:36:48,013 --> 00:36:48,212
Speaker 4: Right.

775
00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:50,812
Speaker 2: Coming up after two o'clock, New Zealand is a drinking

776
00:36:50,893 --> 00:36:53,853
Speaker 2: less alcohol than ever stands in z Data shows total

777
00:36:53,893 --> 00:36:57,213
Speaker 2: alcohol available for consumption FOUL about eight point three percent

778
00:36:57,293 --> 00:36:59,413
Speaker 2: beer and wine. They dropped quite a bit ten and

779
00:36:59,453 --> 00:37:02,813
Speaker 2: eleven percent, respectively. But the question we've got for you

780
00:37:02,933 --> 00:37:06,733
Speaker 2: after two o'clock is around the idea of excise tax

781
00:37:06,773 --> 00:37:07,333
Speaker 2: on booze.

782
00:37:07,373 --> 00:37:09,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, people are already thinking less. Do we need to

783
00:37:09,413 --> 00:37:12,933
Speaker 3: keep raising excise tax on booze at such an insane level?

784
00:37:13,613 --> 00:37:17,093
Speaker 3: Should we at minimum freeze excise tax to help our

785
00:37:17,133 --> 00:37:21,133
Speaker 3: wine and beer industries and at mice ad you send

786
00:37:21,133 --> 00:37:25,493
Speaker 3: at best completely get rid of it for restaurants and bars.

787
00:37:25,293 --> 00:37:27,333
Speaker 2: Share your thoughts. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten

788
00:37:27,413 --> 00:37:29,053
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call if you want to

789
00:37:29,093 --> 00:37:31,973
Speaker 2: send a text? Two is that number? New Sport and

790
00:37:32,013 --> 00:37:34,293
Speaker 2: weather is coming up, but stay tuned. We will be

791
00:37:34,333 --> 00:38:12,973
Speaker 2: back very shortly. Fine talking with you all afternoon. It's

792
00:38:13,053 --> 00:38:14,933
Speaker 2: Matt Heath and Tyner Adams.

793
00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:18,853
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794
00:38:19,093 --> 00:38:21,652
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795
00:38:21,693 --> 00:38:24,253
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796
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797
00:38:27,693 --> 00:38:30,373
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798
00:38:30,373 --> 00:38:34,053
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799
00:38:34,093 --> 00:38:36,253
Speaker 2: fantastic price to keep listening. That will be coming up

800
00:38:36,373 --> 00:38:38,893
Speaker 2: very shortly. In the meantime, we want to have a

801
00:38:38,973 --> 00:38:41,853
Speaker 2: discussion about this. New Zealander is a drinking less alcohol

802
00:38:41,933 --> 00:38:44,853
Speaker 2: than near this stats. New Zealand data release today shows

803
00:38:44,893 --> 00:38:49,053
Speaker 2: total alcohol consumption fell around eight point three percent overall

804
00:38:49,093 --> 00:38:52,133
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. That hits a record low. Beer

805
00:38:52,173 --> 00:38:55,053
Speaker 2: and wine volumes. They dropped sharply, beer was down ten

806
00:38:55,093 --> 00:38:58,813
Speaker 2: percent and wine around eleven percent, So that contributes to

807
00:38:58,853 --> 00:39:01,973
Speaker 2: the lowest per adult consumption on record.

808
00:39:03,093 --> 00:39:07,373
Speaker 3: Wow. So that is quite a drop off, isn't it? And

809
00:39:07,373 --> 00:39:09,212
Speaker 3: this number of reasons for this, But one of them

810
00:39:09,253 --> 00:39:10,573
Speaker 3: is the price of alcohol, isn't it?

811
00:39:10,573 --> 00:39:10,893
Speaker 2: It is?

812
00:39:11,453 --> 00:39:14,693
Speaker 3: And you know it's interesting when you look at X

813
00:39:14,733 --> 00:39:17,293
Speaker 3: size tax, right, all the syntax that you put on it,

814
00:39:17,373 --> 00:39:21,533
Speaker 3: so excised tax it makes up up to thirty seven

815
00:39:21,573 --> 00:39:24,333
Speaker 3: percent of the retail price of beer, depending on the

816
00:39:24,373 --> 00:39:26,652
Speaker 3: amount of alcohol because that's how it's worked out, and

817
00:39:26,733 --> 00:39:30,333
Speaker 3: spirits it's fifty percent. So you take a fifty liter

818
00:39:30,453 --> 00:39:33,213
Speaker 3: keg of five percent beer, thirty two percent of the

819
00:39:33,213 --> 00:39:35,773
Speaker 3: price being paid is X size tax and then you

820
00:39:35,813 --> 00:39:38,453
Speaker 3: add GST on it, so that's forty seven percent. So

821
00:39:38,453 --> 00:39:43,253
Speaker 3: pretty much half of the cost of keg beer is tax.

822
00:39:43,893 --> 00:39:45,973
Speaker 2: It's a massive amount going to the coffers.

823
00:39:46,213 --> 00:39:48,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so you know why do you have a

824
00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:51,652
Speaker 3: syntax like XOS tax? They sort of they talk about

825
00:39:51,693 --> 00:39:55,573
Speaker 3: it in terms of limiting the damage of alcohol is

826
00:39:55,613 --> 00:40:00,493
Speaker 3: sometimes called a syntax. Right, So if alcohol levels are

827
00:40:00,573 --> 00:40:03,373
Speaker 3: dropping off at this rate, I mean there's are huge

828
00:40:03,493 --> 00:40:06,493
Speaker 3: rates that they're dropping off at right. I mean that's

829
00:40:06,533 --> 00:40:08,813
Speaker 3: hard to actually, you know, Bear is down ten percent,

830
00:40:08,813 --> 00:40:11,573
Speaker 3: wine down as eleven percent. Strong bears clapped and claps

831
00:40:11,613 --> 00:40:14,133
Speaker 3: in twenty seven percent. Is there a need for the

832
00:40:14,173 --> 00:40:17,933
Speaker 3: excise tax at that rate anymore? It's gone up twenty

833
00:40:17,973 --> 00:40:21,453
Speaker 3: percent in the last five years the amount of excise tax, right, Yeah,

834
00:40:21,813 --> 00:40:24,333
Speaker 3: So at the bare minimum, we should really be looking

835
00:40:24,373 --> 00:40:27,733
Speaker 3: at a freeze on excised tax because if it is

836
00:40:27,773 --> 00:40:30,172
Speaker 3: to make it, if it's to limit the amount of

837
00:40:30,413 --> 00:40:34,093
Speaker 3: beer that and wine and alcohol that's being bought, then

838
00:40:34,373 --> 00:40:38,093
Speaker 3: it's more than doing its job. And what we're getting

839
00:40:38,093 --> 00:40:41,013
Speaker 3: into a situation now is it's doing it. It's actually

840
00:40:41,693 --> 00:40:43,973
Speaker 3: starting I would argue to do more harm than good

841
00:40:44,373 --> 00:40:47,533
Speaker 3: because you're getting breweries going out of business and you're

842
00:40:47,533 --> 00:40:51,293
Speaker 3: getting vineyards going out of business because they can't sell

843
00:40:51,333 --> 00:40:53,613
Speaker 3: their product. People are just not buying it anymore.

844
00:40:53,693 --> 00:40:56,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting argument. And I tell you who agrees with

845
00:40:56,613 --> 00:40:59,693
Speaker 2: you is Josh Ruffleer. He's the Garage Project co owner.

846
00:40:59,693 --> 00:41:02,253
Speaker 2: He was on with Mike this morning and he said

847
00:41:02,373 --> 00:41:03,493
Speaker 2: pretty much exactly that.

848
00:41:03,773 --> 00:41:06,172
Speaker 14: The thing that's really driving this is we've seen bear

849
00:41:06,813 --> 00:41:09,652
Speaker 14: excise tax increased twenty three and a half percent since

850
00:41:09,733 --> 00:41:11,933
Speaker 14: twenty twenty. We just need to look at what our

851
00:41:12,613 --> 00:41:14,773
Speaker 14: friends over the bits are doing. You know, with three

852
00:41:14,813 --> 00:41:18,333
Speaker 14: hundred and fifty thousand dollars excis grant in place for

853
00:41:18,453 --> 00:41:22,893
Speaker 14: breweries in Australia, they're just passing legislation to freeze excise

854
00:41:23,013 --> 00:41:26,133
Speaker 14: on draft beer for two years. It's not just us

855
00:41:26,133 --> 00:41:28,773
Speaker 14: who feel the pain as breweries. This goes all the

856
00:41:28,773 --> 00:41:32,573
Speaker 14: way to hot farmers, bari farmers. It again flows through

857
00:41:32,573 --> 00:41:36,453
Speaker 14: to hospitality restaurants, bars. You know, this is a multi

858
00:41:36,493 --> 00:41:40,493
Speaker 14: billion dollar industry that is essentially just been taxed in

859
00:41:40,533 --> 00:41:42,133
Speaker 14: a bizarre, crazy way.

860
00:41:42,813 --> 00:41:45,253
Speaker 2: So being on Matt, I mean you know that is

861
00:41:45,293 --> 00:41:47,893
Speaker 2: a person who works at the coal face of the

862
00:41:47,933 --> 00:41:51,652
Speaker 2: alcohol industry. Garage Project's fantastic success story. A couple of

863
00:41:51,653 --> 00:41:53,973
Speaker 2: guys who started in a literal garage and now look

864
00:41:53,973 --> 00:41:57,812
Speaker 2: at them, incredibly successful, but they're twenty three percent since

865
00:41:57,853 --> 00:41:58,933
Speaker 2: twenty twenty increase.

866
00:41:59,373 --> 00:42:02,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, because alcohol exercise in New Zealand rises every year

867
00:42:02,693 --> 00:42:05,933
Speaker 3: with inflation, regardless of whether the industry is growing or shrinking.

868
00:42:05,973 --> 00:42:09,253
Speaker 3: If their bare volumes are down and consumer is moderating,

869
00:42:09,853 --> 00:42:14,053
Speaker 3: continue to push higher rates like a compound stress on brewers, pubs,

870
00:42:14,133 --> 00:42:18,453
Speaker 3: vineyards and hospitality workers without you know, you'd even argue

871
00:42:18,493 --> 00:42:21,493
Speaker 3: it's not even increasing the crown revenue because it's making

872
00:42:21,493 --> 00:42:26,692
Speaker 3: it plummet off a cliff the amount of consumption of

873
00:42:26,733 --> 00:42:31,453
Speaker 3: the product. So surely freezing it because freezing the amount

874
00:42:31,453 --> 00:42:34,093
Speaker 3: of exos tasks isn't going to make olcol cheaper. It

875
00:42:34,133 --> 00:42:37,453
Speaker 3: will just stop automatic tax increases. And we're in a

876
00:42:37,453 --> 00:42:42,813
Speaker 3: period of falling consumption and economic pressure, so all it

877
00:42:42,853 --> 00:42:48,333
Speaker 3: really would do is stop at getting more expensive than

878
00:42:48,373 --> 00:42:51,813
Speaker 3: it is. And it's already so expensive that it is

879
00:42:52,333 --> 00:42:53,693
Speaker 3: prohibitive for people to buy it.

880
00:42:53,813 --> 00:42:56,212
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, what do you say, Oh, one hundred eighty

881
00:42:56,253 --> 00:42:58,293
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to calls. So with the

882
00:42:58,653 --> 00:43:01,292
Speaker 2: amount that we are drinking going down, is it time

883
00:43:01,293 --> 00:43:04,172
Speaker 2: that the government just freezes that excise tax and try

884
00:43:04,173 --> 00:43:07,013
Speaker 2: and get people going to pubs and socializing.

885
00:43:07,893 --> 00:43:11,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would push even further than this then

886
00:43:11,333 --> 00:43:14,333
Speaker 3: freezing excise tax. This is this is my plan on

887
00:43:14,373 --> 00:43:19,333
Speaker 3: this whole situation. Okay, freeze excise taximum and minimum. Freeze

888
00:43:19,333 --> 00:43:27,093
Speaker 3: excise tax. But for bars restaurants, get rid of it entirely,

889
00:43:27,853 --> 00:43:30,893
Speaker 3: get rid of excise. Attack entirely on it because it

890
00:43:30,973 --> 00:43:33,413
Speaker 3: is a syntax, right, you can keep taxing it more

891
00:43:33,413 --> 00:43:37,373
Speaker 3: and more because you you know, wrap it on about harm. Right,

892
00:43:37,933 --> 00:43:40,133
Speaker 3: So the harm hasn't been called at bars, caused at

893
00:43:40,133 --> 00:43:43,453
Speaker 3: bars and restaurants. So you take a restaurant. The harm

894
00:43:43,533 --> 00:43:46,053
Speaker 3: isn't caused by people buying a bottle of wine with

895
00:43:46,093 --> 00:43:48,893
Speaker 3: their meal at a restaurant, is it. No, But that's

896
00:43:48,893 --> 00:43:51,173
Speaker 3: but they're paying an insane amount of excised tax on

897
00:43:51,213 --> 00:43:54,573
Speaker 3: top of that that bottle of wine, which stops people

898
00:43:54,573 --> 00:43:57,053
Speaker 3: going out for restaurants. Right, that's not where the harm is.

899
00:43:57,093 --> 00:43:59,093
Speaker 3: The harm is on the someone who can go at

900
00:43:59,093 --> 00:44:00,893
Speaker 3: a bottlestore and buy two one one two fives of

901
00:44:00,933 --> 00:44:04,893
Speaker 3: gin and take it home. So the harm is at home.

902
00:44:05,373 --> 00:44:10,293
Speaker 3: The good is at bars and restaurants. You know, businesses employment.

903
00:44:10,853 --> 00:44:14,493
Speaker 3: Plus they have quite stringement rules on who they can

904
00:44:14,493 --> 00:44:16,853
Speaker 3: serve alcohol too, So that's very true. So bars and

905
00:44:16,893 --> 00:44:21,213
Speaker 3: restaurants are spending money on looking after their their patrons.

906
00:44:21,213 --> 00:44:26,172
Speaker 3: They call them patients again, patrons, yes, So I mean really,

907
00:44:26,253 --> 00:44:29,253
Speaker 3: what you're doing is you're double punishing bars and restaurants,

908
00:44:29,373 --> 00:44:31,573
Speaker 3: the very places people we want people to be. We

909
00:44:31,613 --> 00:44:33,773
Speaker 3: want people going out of their house and going out

910
00:44:33,813 --> 00:44:36,613
Speaker 3: to restaurants for the good of the economy and for

911
00:44:36,653 --> 00:44:39,573
Speaker 3: the good of them of you know, the hospo economy

912
00:44:39,613 --> 00:44:41,773
Speaker 3: in general, but the good of people's mental health and

913
00:44:41,813 --> 00:44:43,493
Speaker 3: the community as well, So we get people out of

914
00:44:43,533 --> 00:44:46,693
Speaker 3: the house. So why are we punishing these bars and

915
00:44:46,733 --> 00:44:49,893
Speaker 3: restaurants so heavily with the exercise excise tax? You know

916
00:44:49,933 --> 00:44:51,293
Speaker 3: what sin are they actually committing?

917
00:44:51,293 --> 00:44:53,213
Speaker 2: It's a strong argument. What do you say, Oh, eight

918
00:44:53,333 --> 00:44:55,573
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

919
00:44:55,773 --> 00:44:58,813
Speaker 2: Nine two ninety two is the text as well? Is

920
00:44:58,853 --> 00:45:01,013
Speaker 2: Matt right? Do we just need to stop excised texts

921
00:45:01,013 --> 00:45:03,213
Speaker 2: at the hospow level because they provide so much good

922
00:45:03,253 --> 00:45:06,613
Speaker 2: in the community and an excised text freeze across the

923
00:45:06,613 --> 00:45:11,133
Speaker 2: board as well. Can you get your thoughts thirty past.

924
00:45:10,093 --> 00:45:14,413
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

925
00:45:14,453 --> 00:45:16,973
Speaker 1: call oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty youth.

926
00:45:16,813 --> 00:45:17,773
Speaker 7: Talk zebby.

927
00:45:19,173 --> 00:45:22,253
Speaker 2: Sixteen past two. So we're drinking less than ever before?

928
00:45:22,573 --> 00:45:25,613
Speaker 2: Is a time we remove excise tax on alcohol, particularly

929
00:45:25,653 --> 00:45:27,893
Speaker 2: at the hospitality level. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

930
00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:29,173
Speaker 2: a number to call a bunch.

931
00:45:28,973 --> 00:45:31,053
Speaker 3: Of people asking how much excise tax does the government

932
00:45:31,093 --> 00:45:34,453
Speaker 3: actually take in? So it's about one point twenty nine

933
00:45:34,573 --> 00:45:38,493
Speaker 3: billion dollars a year. So that was Henry. That's twenty

934
00:45:38,493 --> 00:45:41,692
Speaker 3: two to twenty three. So to the year thirtieth June

935
00:45:41,693 --> 00:45:45,453
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, total tax revenue was one one hundred

936
00:45:45,453 --> 00:45:48,652
Speaker 3: and what the hell? Oh no, so one point two billion.

937
00:45:48,693 --> 00:45:51,133
Speaker 3: So it's about one percent of the total tax in

938
00:45:51,213 --> 00:45:55,693
Speaker 3: take that the government takes is from excise tax on alcohol.

939
00:45:55,773 --> 00:45:58,253
Speaker 2: It's not bad for them, Morris.

940
00:45:59,093 --> 00:46:03,373
Speaker 15: Yeah, I disagree with everything you're saying. You know, I've

941
00:46:03,373 --> 00:46:06,053
Speaker 15: got a twenty two year old. He doesn't drink beer.

942
00:46:06,293 --> 00:46:09,293
Speaker 15: He doesn't drink wine. His sister doesn't grink wine. They

943
00:46:09,333 --> 00:46:13,213
Speaker 15: drink cider and Alco pops. M H Cider and Alco

944
00:46:13,253 --> 00:46:17,732
Speaker 15: Pops have increases sales by forty two percent, So work

945
00:46:17,813 --> 00:46:20,093
Speaker 15: that one out. It's just a changing of palette from

946
00:46:20,133 --> 00:46:21,733
Speaker 15: the gene zs millennium.

947
00:46:22,293 --> 00:46:25,533
Speaker 3: That rose slightly one point six percent a minute, so

948
00:46:26,373 --> 00:46:30,133
Speaker 3: it rose very very slightly. So RTDs are up slightly.

949
00:46:30,933 --> 00:46:34,493
Speaker 15: Yeah, that increased. Kids don't drink beer. I take the

950
00:46:34,533 --> 00:46:36,212
Speaker 15: kids to the pub for a burger and a point.

951
00:46:36,413 --> 00:46:37,053
Speaker 16: They don't drink that.

952
00:46:37,053 --> 00:46:39,013
Speaker 15: They'll have a cider, or they have an RTD, or

953
00:46:39,013 --> 00:46:41,853
Speaker 15: they'll have nothing and that's its issue.

954
00:46:41,933 --> 00:46:43,493
Speaker 3: So how do you do what are you what are

955
00:46:43,493 --> 00:46:45,773
Speaker 3: you disagreeing with because we didn't say any of anything

956
00:46:45,893 --> 00:46:47,253
Speaker 3: that you're disagreeing with it yet.

957
00:46:47,453 --> 00:46:50,493
Speaker 15: Well, I think that that people don't drink beer and

958
00:46:50,533 --> 00:46:52,693
Speaker 15: wine because they think if you look at in Australia,

959
00:46:53,573 --> 00:46:56,453
Speaker 15: there's teens of thousands of hectares of wine. That's grapes

960
00:46:56,493 --> 00:46:58,053
Speaker 15: that are just sit there growing and going to wake

961
00:46:58,093 --> 00:47:00,893
Speaker 15: and ruin millions of dollars. And if you look at Australia,

962
00:47:00,893 --> 00:47:04,172
Speaker 15: they've done a sery recently, any posing the kids drink

963
00:47:04,373 --> 00:47:06,933
Speaker 15: sweet to drinks. They just don't drink that stuff anymore.

964
00:47:06,933 --> 00:47:09,172
Speaker 15: They're not traditional. So to get with the excise tex

965
00:47:09,253 --> 00:47:13,933
Speaker 15: won't excise tax, won't increase the sales, it won't improve

966
00:47:14,133 --> 00:47:18,453
Speaker 15: anything because you know, traditional people drink beer, they drink wine,

967
00:47:18,933 --> 00:47:21,413
Speaker 15: you know as we're older. But it's not going to

968
00:47:21,453 --> 00:47:23,413
Speaker 15: make anything better. It's not going to make hospital better.

969
00:47:23,773 --> 00:47:25,293
Speaker 15: And then you sit there talk about the good that

970
00:47:25,373 --> 00:47:28,573
Speaker 15: hospital does will go down Auckland, but not one o'clock

971
00:47:28,573 --> 00:47:30,333
Speaker 15: in the morning about the main street when they've all

972
00:47:30,373 --> 00:47:32,333
Speaker 15: been thrown out of the hospitality because they're drunk and

973
00:47:32,373 --> 00:47:36,413
Speaker 15: they're brawling down there once again. Excise tax is there

974
00:47:36,453 --> 00:47:40,813
Speaker 15: for a reason, and it's not about promoting an industry.

975
00:47:41,213 --> 00:47:42,973
Speaker 15: You've got to have a degree of responsibility.

976
00:47:43,493 --> 00:47:47,373
Speaker 3: You think you think more hospital You think that that

977
00:47:47,453 --> 00:47:50,133
Speaker 3: the breweries that are going out of business in New Zealand,

978
00:47:50,173 --> 00:47:54,133
Speaker 3: and the vineyards that are struggling, and the hospitality industry

979
00:47:54,173 --> 00:47:57,733
Speaker 3: that's struggling, that that has nothing to do with excise

980
00:47:57,813 --> 00:47:58,333
Speaker 3: tax at all.

981
00:47:59,013 --> 00:48:00,533
Speaker 15: I don't think I think it's a change of color

982
00:48:00,893 --> 00:48:03,613
Speaker 15: in Look, I've got kids. They don't drink beer or wine,

983
00:48:03,893 --> 00:48:06,853
Speaker 15: so I can't forcely say that I drink. I drink most.

984
00:48:07,013 --> 00:48:10,733
Speaker 15: I drink a lot of that. But our era, you know,

985
00:48:10,733 --> 00:48:14,373
Speaker 15: the sixties and seventies and eighties, is changing in the

986
00:48:14,373 --> 00:48:17,013
Speaker 15: industry's got to change with it. My kids don't go

987
00:48:17,093 --> 00:48:17,453
Speaker 15: to the well.

988
00:48:17,613 --> 00:48:20,093
Speaker 3: The industry is changing with it and they're so that's

989
00:48:20,413 --> 00:48:27,213
Speaker 3: that's fine. But RTDs not drinking overall, including RTDs, is

990
00:48:27,213 --> 00:48:29,333
Speaker 3: down fifteen percent in the country.

991
00:48:29,453 --> 00:48:31,732
Speaker 15: Yeah, people don't want to drink anymore. They don't want

992
00:48:31,733 --> 00:48:33,172
Speaker 15: to go and get because they want to save up

993
00:48:33,173 --> 00:48:33,813
Speaker 15: and buy a house.

994
00:48:34,453 --> 00:48:38,893
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe, but the thing is that if if forty

995
00:48:38,933 --> 00:48:41,693
Speaker 3: seven percent of the amount that you're paying for a

996
00:48:41,773 --> 00:48:43,893
Speaker 3: drink when you go to a restaurant, wasn't going straight

997
00:48:43,933 --> 00:48:46,093
Speaker 3: to the government. Then they might want to go out

998
00:48:46,093 --> 00:48:48,093
Speaker 3: and have a wine with dinner, and then they might

999
00:48:48,133 --> 00:48:50,773
Speaker 3: buy dinner as well, because wine and dinner goes together

1000
00:48:50,893 --> 00:48:54,573
Speaker 3: very well. And as a result, a restaurant might be

1001
00:48:54,573 --> 00:48:56,013
Speaker 3: able to stay open, and they might be able to

1002
00:48:56,053 --> 00:48:59,533
Speaker 3: employ people, and there'll be new buildings being built and

1003
00:48:59,773 --> 00:49:02,133
Speaker 3: new fittings going in and it helps the economy.

1004
00:49:02,133 --> 00:49:05,573
Speaker 15: Surely, can I ask you a question inneration to the

1005
00:49:06,813 --> 00:49:09,212
Speaker 15: excise tax. Look at the cost of what it costs

1006
00:49:09,213 --> 00:49:11,853
Speaker 15: to rented building, what the reader was they paying, how

1007
00:49:11,893 --> 00:49:15,453
Speaker 15: much of their revenue of income goes into property buildings?

1008
00:49:15,773 --> 00:49:19,333
Speaker 15: You know, it's shoot in. What it is is that

1009
00:49:19,733 --> 00:49:21,333
Speaker 15: I can take my kids out. We all went out

1010
00:49:21,373 --> 00:49:22,933
Speaker 15: not that long ago. We're up at Medicarda and we

1011
00:49:22,973 --> 00:49:26,493
Speaker 15: went out for dinner. Not one of them had a beer.

1012
00:49:27,293 --> 00:49:29,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting.

1013
00:49:29,493 --> 00:49:31,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, cheers for your phone call. But look, I'm going

1014
00:49:31,933 --> 00:49:35,212
Speaker 2: to say, Kidston order beer.

1015
00:49:35,133 --> 00:49:36,813
Speaker 3: Is that's hugely interesting.

1016
00:49:36,853 --> 00:49:38,653
Speaker 2: I mean, if we look at the facts, I'm sorry, Morris,

1017
00:49:38,733 --> 00:49:40,333
Speaker 2: let you know, love you mate, thanks for your call,

1018
00:49:40,373 --> 00:49:42,333
Speaker 2: but you're wrong on the facts that it's not a

1019
00:49:42,413 --> 00:49:45,093
Speaker 2: changing in the palette. So drinking has gone down full

1020
00:49:45,093 --> 00:49:47,813
Speaker 2: stop across the board. The RTDs, as you mentioned, mat,

1021
00:49:47,813 --> 00:49:50,013
Speaker 2: have only gone up one point nine percent. So it's

1022
00:49:50,053 --> 00:49:52,493
Speaker 2: not that the kids are drinking other things. They are

1023
00:49:52,533 --> 00:49:55,613
Speaker 2: not drinking, and a big part of that is because

1024
00:49:55,693 --> 00:49:58,013
Speaker 2: of the price. Right. I mean, we just heard from

1025
00:49:58,053 --> 00:50:00,613
Speaker 2: the co founder of the Garage Project and he said

1026
00:50:00,613 --> 00:50:03,772
Speaker 2: at length, the excise tax is killing us. It's killed

1027
00:50:03,813 --> 00:50:05,533
Speaker 2: a lot of our mates in the business, and it's

1028
00:50:05,533 --> 00:50:07,933
Speaker 2: about to kill us. He's a guy who's at the

1029
00:50:07,933 --> 00:50:10,453
Speaker 2: call for a cold face of the industry.

1030
00:50:10,533 --> 00:50:12,413
Speaker 3: Wow, that's interesting because a lot of people hear saying

1031
00:50:12,413 --> 00:50:16,053
Speaker 3: that alcohol kills people. So the xised tax is killing

1032
00:50:16,093 --> 00:50:19,813
Speaker 3: the alcohol creators. This text serious is shut up, guys,

1033
00:50:19,853 --> 00:50:20,893
Speaker 3: Alcohol kills people.

1034
00:50:20,973 --> 00:50:24,053
Speaker 2: Okay, right, keep those sticks coming through nine two. It

1035
00:50:24,133 --> 00:50:25,293
Speaker 2: is twenty one past two.

1036
00:50:29,053 --> 00:50:32,453
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1037
00:50:32,493 --> 00:50:34,573
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on used talk ZIB.

1038
00:50:34,573 --> 00:50:35,573
Speaker 2: Twenty four past two.

1039
00:50:36,813 --> 00:50:39,573
Speaker 3: I blame craft beers. Ninety percent of them tastes like

1040
00:50:39,653 --> 00:50:43,453
Speaker 3: pure crap. Yeah, I'm with you Stein. Interestingly, Stein, that's

1041
00:50:43,933 --> 00:50:45,732
Speaker 3: good to hear from someone called Stein. Whod from Last

1042
00:50:45,773 --> 00:50:49,573
Speaker 3: Hour actually very app very smart man Stein, but a

1043
00:50:49,573 --> 00:50:51,333
Speaker 3: good name to be commenting on beer.

1044
00:50:51,413 --> 00:50:52,853
Speaker 2: They get a lot of hate the crafties.

1045
00:50:53,173 --> 00:50:55,013
Speaker 3: Not just a change of palette, says Cris, but also

1046
00:50:55,053 --> 00:50:57,413
Speaker 3: a change in health awareness. I drink way less now

1047
00:50:57,453 --> 00:50:59,413
Speaker 3: as I'm aware of the health risks and actually feel

1048
00:50:59,413 --> 00:51:01,533
Speaker 3: better without. It has nothing to do with price, because

1049
00:51:01,533 --> 00:51:04,133
Speaker 3: I get fancy beers when I do drink. I think

1050
00:51:04,213 --> 00:51:07,253
Speaker 3: there is something to that. I think people are aware.

1051
00:51:07,453 --> 00:51:11,333
Speaker 3: People are you know, we're always hastling social media and

1052
00:51:11,333 --> 00:51:14,653
Speaker 3: we're always hassling people being terminally online and doom scrolling

1053
00:51:14,693 --> 00:51:16,973
Speaker 3: and stuff. But there is a lot of health messaging

1054
00:51:17,653 --> 00:51:21,133
Speaker 3: on people's phones, on people's devices now, on their social media.

1055
00:51:21,173 --> 00:51:25,453
Speaker 3: And the jury is out on alcohol. You know, it

1056
00:51:25,533 --> 00:51:27,573
Speaker 3: used to be that, you know, you could have a

1057
00:51:27,573 --> 00:51:29,333
Speaker 3: few drinks, a few wines every now and then. We're

1058
00:51:29,373 --> 00:51:32,333
Speaker 3: good for you. You know, the likes of Andrew Huberman are

1059
00:51:32,373 --> 00:51:34,013
Speaker 3: now saying all our cohol.

1060
00:51:33,893 --> 00:51:34,533
Speaker 7: Is bad for you.

1061
00:51:34,573 --> 00:51:36,013
Speaker 2: Any alcohol, it's effect for you.

1062
00:51:35,973 --> 00:51:38,453
Speaker 3: On your sleep is terrible. One of the main reasons

1063
00:51:38,493 --> 00:51:41,253
Speaker 3: any alcoholra in the day will make you sleep, you know,

1064
00:51:41,973 --> 00:51:44,813
Speaker 3: will affect the quality of your your sleep. So I

1065
00:51:44,853 --> 00:51:49,493
Speaker 3: think it's generally out there more that alcohol is very

1066
00:51:49,573 --> 00:51:51,413
Speaker 3: very bad for you, and I do hear a lot

1067
00:51:51,413 --> 00:51:54,533
Speaker 3: of that people just not drinking for health reasons.

1068
00:51:54,173 --> 00:51:56,213
Speaker 2: Which is a good thing. But I still argue that

1069
00:51:56,253 --> 00:51:58,813
Speaker 2: I think the price factor is a big element of it.

1070
00:51:58,973 --> 00:52:01,493
Speaker 2: I mean, just the own personal situation. We used to

1071
00:52:01,533 --> 00:52:04,093
Speaker 2: go out a lot more, just simply for drinks because

1072
00:52:04,133 --> 00:52:06,013
Speaker 2: it was a lot more affordable. I know now that

1073
00:52:06,133 --> 00:52:08,933
Speaker 2: of me, am, I part fiance. Now mate, go out,

1074
00:52:09,053 --> 00:52:11,173
Speaker 2: it's going to cost because we go pretty you know,

1075
00:52:11,173 --> 00:52:12,413
Speaker 2: we go pretty hard sometimes you.

1076
00:52:12,373 --> 00:52:12,933
Speaker 3: Guys go hard.

1077
00:52:14,093 --> 00:52:16,813
Speaker 2: A night out just on the booze without taking food

1078
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Speaker 2: onto account for me and Mave would probably be around

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00:52:20,613 --> 00:52:23,133
Speaker 2: four hundred bucks. And that's about three hours out right,

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00:52:23,173 --> 00:52:27,533
Speaker 2: So that's that's a decent wicket. Even we shot, yeah

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00:52:27,573 --> 00:52:30,013
Speaker 2: sometimes shots, yeah, shots after about hour or two, Yeah,

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00:52:30,053 --> 00:52:32,173
Speaker 2: and then a couple of cocktails. The cocktails get you

1083
00:52:33,053 --> 00:52:35,813
Speaker 2: straight now yeah, yeah, all of the above. But my

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00:52:35,853 --> 00:52:38,013
Speaker 2: point is that even five years ago, we would go

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00:52:38,053 --> 00:52:40,453
Speaker 2: out far more because the price is a bit more reasonable.

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00:52:40,453 --> 00:52:42,693
Speaker 2: That you could go out and catch up with friends

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00:52:42,693 --> 00:52:44,333
Speaker 2: and have a good couple of drinks over a couple

1088
00:52:44,373 --> 00:52:47,013
Speaker 2: of hours, and it would maybe cost you a hundred bucks,

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00:52:47,013 --> 00:52:49,213
Speaker 2: So that's more reasonable than the four hundred dollars situation,

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00:52:49,253 --> 00:52:51,413
Speaker 2: And a lot of that is down to what they

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Speaker 2: are paying on the tax of booze.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would also argue that it doesn't matter

1093
00:52:54,933 --> 00:52:58,053
Speaker 3: why the consumption is going down. The fact that the

1094
00:52:58,093 --> 00:53:00,973
Speaker 3: consumption is going down means that you don't need to

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00:53:01,053 --> 00:53:04,413
Speaker 3: keep hitting the industry is hard with excise tax because

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00:53:04,453 --> 00:53:05,373
Speaker 3: it is a syntax.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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00:53:06,493 --> 00:53:10,252
Speaker 3: If it's just revenue generating. If that one point twenty

1099
00:53:10,333 --> 00:53:12,533
Speaker 3: nine billion that they bring in from text each year

1100
00:53:12,693 --> 00:53:14,933
Speaker 3: is just revenue, then they should be honest about it.

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00:53:14,973 --> 00:53:16,813
Speaker 3: They're bringing in for revenue, but it is sold to

1102
00:53:16,933 --> 00:53:19,773
Speaker 3: us that it's helping, you know, it's worth dealing with

1103
00:53:19,813 --> 00:53:24,133
Speaker 3: the harms that that alcohol has in the community and

1104
00:53:24,173 --> 00:53:26,893
Speaker 3: to make people buy less, right that's what they tell us. Yeah, well,

1105
00:53:26,933 --> 00:53:32,053
Speaker 3: people are naturally buying less. The stats show it, in

1106
00:53:32,053 --> 00:53:34,213
Speaker 3: which case you don't need the excised text at the

1107
00:53:34,213 --> 00:53:35,173
Speaker 3: same level. Do you know?

1108
00:53:35,533 --> 00:53:37,373
Speaker 2: So do you agree I one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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00:53:37,413 --> 00:53:39,973
Speaker 2: If we are drinking less and the harm is going down,

1110
00:53:40,093 --> 00:53:41,692
Speaker 2: is it time to remove that excise tax?

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00:53:41,973 --> 00:53:44,133
Speaker 3: Camera says kids are doing drugs, not drinking booze as

1112
00:53:44,173 --> 00:53:47,653
Speaker 3: the drugs are cheaper. I'd rather a drugged out teenager

1113
00:53:47,693 --> 00:53:49,133
Speaker 3: than a spaced out coke heid.

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00:53:49,653 --> 00:53:51,213
Speaker 2: Yep, that's fair, and I'd.

1115
00:53:51,093 --> 00:53:53,293
Speaker 3: Rather a drug I think he might be a drunk.

1116
00:53:53,373 --> 00:53:55,893
Speaker 3: I'd rather a drunk teenager than a spaced out coke head.

1117
00:53:56,013 --> 00:53:58,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is very fair of a spelling area. Thank

1118
00:53:58,333 --> 00:53:59,093
Speaker 2: you for that text.

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00:54:00,213 --> 00:54:02,213
Speaker 3: I mean, look at the Electric Heaven youth story that

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00:54:02,213 --> 00:54:05,453
Speaker 3: we had earlier today and the testing for MDMA, and

1121
00:54:05,533 --> 00:54:07,813
Speaker 3: you know the signaling going out, and make sure that

1122
00:54:07,853 --> 00:54:11,653
Speaker 3: you get your your illegal drugs texts because they're stronger

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00:54:11,653 --> 00:54:12,813
Speaker 3: than you might expect exactly.

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Speaker 2: And nothing about booze. I don't really care about boos

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Speaker 2: In fact, they're selling it at the festival. Oh one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call

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Speaker 2: headlines with Rayling coming up at his twenty seven past two.

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Speaker 7: You've talk said b headlines.

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Speaker 12: With your Ride, New Zealand's number one taxi app Download

1130
00:54:29,013 --> 00:54:33,413
Speaker 12: your Ride today. Labour says it's completely unacceptable. The number

1131
00:54:33,453 --> 00:54:37,093
Speaker 12: of kids in hardship rose by almost twenty four thousand

1132
00:54:37,173 --> 00:54:40,453
Speaker 12: in the past two years. Statsn Z numbers are today

1133
00:54:40,493 --> 00:54:43,533
Speaker 12: show child poverty rates didn't move in the year to

1134
00:54:43,613 --> 00:54:47,973
Speaker 12: June twenty twenty five. An aviation commentator says Air New

1135
00:54:48,053 --> 00:54:52,533
Speaker 12: Zealand is losing support from Kiwi's with earnings nose diving.

1136
00:54:52,853 --> 00:54:56,053
Speaker 12: It's posted a fifty nine million dollar before tax loss

1137
00:54:56,053 --> 00:54:59,373
Speaker 12: for the six months to December thirty one, blaming stagnant

1138
00:54:59,413 --> 00:55:04,133
Speaker 12: domestic demand and rising costs. Quantus meanwhile made one point

1139
00:55:04,173 --> 00:55:07,613
Speaker 12: four to six billion dollars in pre tax profits, citing

1140
00:55:07,653 --> 00:55:12,172
Speaker 12: stable com and strong demand. Data from the latest Crime

1141
00:55:12,213 --> 00:55:15,613
Speaker 12: and Victims survey shows there were forty nine thousand fewer

1142
00:55:15,733 --> 00:55:19,013
Speaker 12: victims of violent crime in the year to last October

1143
00:55:19,333 --> 00:55:23,893
Speaker 12: compared to the two previous years. Unionized dieticians have agreed

1144
00:55:23,933 --> 00:55:27,013
Speaker 12: to pay rise deal with Health New Zealand. The APEX

1145
00:55:27,093 --> 00:55:29,373
Speaker 12: members will get a two point five percent pay rise

1146
00:55:29,373 --> 00:55:31,973
Speaker 12: in the first year of their collective agreement and two

1147
00:55:31,973 --> 00:55:35,693
Speaker 12: percent the second year. The blunt approach with the government's

1148
00:55:35,733 --> 00:55:39,013
Speaker 12: move on order could lead to bigger problems. You can

1149
00:55:39,053 --> 00:55:41,613
Speaker 12: see the full column at enz Herald Premium. Back to

1150
00:55:41,653 --> 00:55:42,973
Speaker 12: Matt Eith and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raellen. It is twenty nine to three,

1152
00:55:45,653 --> 00:55:47,813
Speaker 2: so as we've been discussing a steep drop and how

1153
00:55:47,813 --> 00:55:52,973
Speaker 2: we consume alcohol has reignited conversations around our Texas on alcohol.

1154
00:55:53,013 --> 00:55:55,973
Speaker 2: Stats in z shows the volume of all alcohol alcoholic

1155
00:55:56,053 --> 00:55:59,253
Speaker 2: rather beverages foul eight point three percent and twenty twenty

1156
00:55:59,293 --> 00:56:02,893
Speaker 2: five Bear had a sharp drop at ten percent. Joining

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Speaker 2: us now is Sam McKinnon. He is with Hospitality New Zealand. Sam,

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00:56:06,293 --> 00:56:08,053
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time this afternoon.

1159
00:56:10,733 --> 00:56:14,133
Speaker 3: Oh you're the sm Yeah, I'm here, Yeah him, Sorry,

1160
00:56:14,133 --> 00:56:15,813
Speaker 3: we didn't have the button on there. Hey Sam, how

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00:56:15,893 --> 00:56:20,773
Speaker 3: much does comparatively high excise tax affect effect HOSPO businesses

1162
00:56:20,773 --> 00:56:21,413
Speaker 3: in New Zealand?

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00:56:22,493 --> 00:56:25,533
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, I mean, as you've already touched on. You know,

1164
00:56:25,573 --> 00:56:27,933
Speaker 17: the excise collection rate has stayed the same at about

1165
00:56:27,933 --> 00:56:30,893
Speaker 17: one point three billion, but excise tax has risen twenty

1166
00:56:30,933 --> 00:56:33,613
Speaker 17: percent in the last five years. So given that that

1167
00:56:33,693 --> 00:56:37,493
Speaker 17: volume of consumption has dropped but excise tax has gone up,

1168
00:56:38,013 --> 00:56:40,093
Speaker 17: you know, I guess that increases being covered by the

1169
00:56:40,093 --> 00:56:43,373
Speaker 17: businesses that produce and sell beer, and so that's ultimately

1170
00:56:43,413 --> 00:56:46,333
Speaker 17: being borne by the customer or at least those who

1171
00:56:46,333 --> 00:56:49,172
Speaker 17: are still enjoying alcohol. So you know, if we if

1172
00:56:49,173 --> 00:56:51,453
Speaker 17: we're looking at the amount of xis on a cake,

1173
00:56:51,813 --> 00:56:55,573
Speaker 17: that's at about thirty percent. Now it's forty forty five

1174
00:56:55,613 --> 00:56:57,733
Speaker 17: percent if you're including just so forty five percent of

1175
00:56:57,773 --> 00:57:00,732
Speaker 17: your keck is now tax and that's a significant cost

1176
00:57:00,813 --> 00:57:04,573
Speaker 17: that I guess our our operators, our bars and bars

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00:57:04,613 --> 00:57:08,533
Speaker 17: and pubs are managing and having to figure out how

1178
00:57:08,573 --> 00:57:10,533
Speaker 17: they make some money on top of it.

1179
00:57:10,613 --> 00:57:12,973
Speaker 3: Is this the main reason people are drinking less? Do

1180
00:57:13,013 --> 00:57:13,933
Speaker 3: you think the cost?

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00:57:15,133 --> 00:57:15,493
Speaker 4: I think?

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00:57:15,613 --> 00:57:18,813
Speaker 17: I mean, like there's there's significant health trends that are

1183
00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:21,853
Speaker 17: kind of driving people away from consuming as much alcohol

1184
00:57:22,053 --> 00:57:23,693
Speaker 17: or you know, the er The growth of the zero

1185
00:57:23,693 --> 00:57:26,093
Speaker 17: percent sector has been massive in the last couple of years.

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00:57:26,973 --> 00:57:29,973
Speaker 17: But yeah, certainly costs is becoming an increasing driver for

1187
00:57:30,013 --> 00:57:33,413
Speaker 17: people to choose to consume less. So it's a bit

1188
00:57:33,453 --> 00:57:34,693
Speaker 17: of a combination of sects.

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Speaker 3: Well, what good does hospo do do for the country? Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean we say that because excise tax is effectively

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00:57:45,573 --> 00:57:49,133
Speaker 3: a syntax, so so you know, to offsee it the

1192
00:57:49,133 --> 00:57:51,133
Speaker 3: idea that people text through and say that they're they're

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00:57:51,413 --> 00:57:53,693
Speaker 3: the you know, the damage that alcohol does. So I

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00:57:53,733 --> 00:57:55,853
Speaker 3: just want to balance that with what good the good

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Speaker 3: that hospital does for the country.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, I mean at an economic level, we're obviously

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00:58:02,373 --> 00:58:05,053
Speaker 17: well spread across the country, so there's regional jobs and

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Speaker 17: employment that's being generated. Generate signal can cash flow through

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Speaker 17: the economy. But from a community standpoint, we are a

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Speaker 17: significant third space for people together. And not everyone's comfortable

1201
00:58:16,613 --> 00:58:18,493
Speaker 17: hosting people in their homes, but they still want to

1202
00:58:18,533 --> 00:58:21,813
Speaker 17: have social environments and so you know, we are a

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00:58:21,893 --> 00:58:26,813
Speaker 17: significant player in that space in terms of providing areas

1204
00:58:26,813 --> 00:58:29,453
Speaker 17: for people to gather and enjoy time together. And so

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Speaker 17: I guess there's the social benefits that we see hospitality

1206
00:58:32,533 --> 00:58:36,413
Speaker 17: bringing to New Zealand, and they are benefits, it's not

1207
00:58:36,493 --> 00:58:38,853
Speaker 17: just the downsides that people like to point out.

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Speaker 2: So why is it so hard seeming to get traction

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00:58:41,453 --> 00:58:44,973
Speaker 2: on something like removing excize for hospitality. There's politicians on

1210
00:58:45,813 --> 00:58:48,453
Speaker 2: you know, every side of the aisle who come out

1211
00:58:48,493 --> 00:58:50,973
Speaker 2: strongly in support of HOSPO and say that we need

1212
00:58:51,013 --> 00:58:52,773
Speaker 2: to do something to keep it propped up because it's

1213
00:58:52,773 --> 00:58:55,653
Speaker 2: so valuable for society. But this idea has been floated

1214
00:58:55,693 --> 00:58:58,693
Speaker 2: around for some time and nobody's really trying to progress

1215
00:58:58,693 --> 00:58:59,653
Speaker 2: it at the political level.

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00:59:01,173 --> 00:59:03,653
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, I think you know, alcohol is seen

1217
00:59:03,693 --> 00:59:08,053
Speaker 17: as a contentious political issue. You know, every MP will

1218
00:59:08,053 --> 00:59:14,293
Speaker 17: have a constituent to support hospitality but have some concerns

1219
00:59:14,333 --> 00:59:16,333
Speaker 17: around the role of alcohol in their community. And I

1220
00:59:16,373 --> 00:59:19,893
Speaker 17: guess from our perspective, hospitality plays a key role in

1221
00:59:19,973 --> 00:59:23,293
Speaker 17: managing alcohol related harm because we're the safest place to consume.

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00:59:23,373 --> 00:59:25,133
Speaker 17: If you're going to have a drink, have it on premise.

1223
00:59:26,133 --> 00:59:28,533
Speaker 17: But I think the other sort of challenge that we've

1224
00:59:28,613 --> 00:59:33,933
Speaker 17: got around XIS specifically is that it isn't differentiated for kekes,

1225
00:59:33,933 --> 00:59:36,453
Speaker 17: so it's just the same rate whatever vessel you buy

1226
00:59:36,533 --> 00:59:40,533
Speaker 17: your alcohol in, whereas Australia does have a differentiated rate,

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00:59:40,613 --> 00:59:43,173
Speaker 17: so they're able to show that they're able to reduce

1228
00:59:43,253 --> 00:59:47,333
Speaker 17: the price of XIS on kegs specifically, which is a

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00:59:47,333 --> 00:59:51,373
Speaker 17: direct link to obviously hospitality and a shove support for

1230
00:59:51,453 --> 00:59:54,253
Speaker 17: the sector. Because we don't have that mechanism, it's not

1231
00:59:54,533 --> 00:59:56,693
Speaker 17: as easy. There's a bit more of a process to

1232
00:59:56,733 --> 01:00:02,093
Speaker 17: get there. But certainly the general political discussion is supportive

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01:00:02,133 --> 01:00:05,333
Speaker 17: of the sector, but a little bit I guess more

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01:00:05,373 --> 01:00:07,413
Speaker 17: cautious around anything to do with alcohol.

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Speaker 3: You know a lot of people are texting and saying, look,

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Speaker 3: if there was less XIS tax, then HOSPO would not

1237
01:00:14,333 --> 01:00:18,413
Speaker 3: lower their prices. That this isn't that they're just charged

1238
01:00:18,453 --> 01:00:22,093
Speaker 3: through the charge to the roof anyway, Is that true?

1239
01:00:22,413 --> 01:00:24,333
Speaker 3: Do you think that? Do you think that at hospo

1240
01:00:24,533 --> 01:00:27,173
Speaker 3: if there was some kind of freeze on excise tax

1241
01:00:27,293 --> 01:00:29,373
Speaker 3: or you know my suggestion I'll give you later, that

1242
01:00:29,413 --> 01:00:32,213
Speaker 3: we get rid of it all on XOS tax completely

1243
01:00:32,253 --> 01:00:35,893
Speaker 3: in hospo situations. But would that be handed onto the customer?

1244
01:00:36,973 --> 01:00:39,573
Speaker 17: Well, I mean for starters charging through the roof, is

1245
01:00:39,973 --> 01:00:42,453
Speaker 17: you know there's a little bit too black and white

1246
01:00:42,453 --> 01:00:44,973
Speaker 17: in terms of you know, what goes into running a

1247
01:00:45,013 --> 01:00:48,653
Speaker 17: hospitality venue. And I guess the cost pressures at play

1248
01:00:48,773 --> 01:00:50,733
Speaker 17: for a venue to be able to sell you a pint.

1249
01:00:50,773 --> 01:00:53,693
Speaker 17: You're not just paying for the product itself, but also

1250
01:00:53,733 --> 01:00:56,413
Speaker 17: paying helping pay for the leafs, You're paying for the staff,

1251
01:00:56,533 --> 01:00:59,133
Speaker 17: you're paying for the electricity costs, all things that we

1252
01:00:59,213 --> 01:01:01,973
Speaker 17: know have gone through the roof over the last last

1253
01:01:02,013 --> 01:01:04,933
Speaker 17: little while, and so and the same would go for

1254
01:01:05,133 --> 01:01:08,013
Speaker 17: any of the household products that we all know what's

1255
01:01:08,093 --> 01:01:10,373
Speaker 17: sort of cost of living pressure has put on households

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01:01:10,413 --> 01:01:14,693
Speaker 17: across the end. So yeah, I mean, look, there will

1257
01:01:14,693 --> 01:01:17,853
Speaker 17: be a number of businesses that will want to make

1258
01:01:17,893 --> 01:01:19,973
Speaker 17: sure that they're able to build some margin back into

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01:01:19,973 --> 01:01:21,773
Speaker 17: the product, and so you know, it's not to say

1260
01:01:21,773 --> 01:01:25,613
Speaker 17: that there's a direct link to lowering the costs of

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01:01:25,653 --> 01:01:28,253
Speaker 17: a plant specifically, but it does mean that the prices

1262
01:01:28,333 --> 01:01:31,133
Speaker 17: might go up as consistently and certainly from our perspective,

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01:01:31,133 --> 01:01:33,253
Speaker 17: helps our venues to operate more sustainably.

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Speaker 2: What to hospitality businesses broadly make more money off? Is

1265
01:01:38,453 --> 01:01:41,253
Speaker 2: it booze or food? I've heard they said that food

1266
01:01:41,293 --> 01:01:42,853
Speaker 2: can almost be seen as a bit of a lost

1267
01:01:42,933 --> 01:01:45,013
Speaker 2: leader to get people in to have, you know, some

1268
01:01:45,053 --> 01:01:46,733
Speaker 2: more glasses of wine. Is there any truth to that.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I think traditionally alcohol has been that has been

1270
01:01:50,933 --> 01:01:55,373
Speaker 17: the significant sort of where your margin is at play,

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01:01:55,413 --> 01:01:58,173
Speaker 17: but that's increasingly being impacted by things like the increase

1272
01:01:58,213 --> 01:02:01,173
Speaker 17: in exercise in the last couple of years. So the

1273
01:02:01,253 --> 01:02:04,093
Speaker 17: treat is that across your entire business, all of your

1274
01:02:04,133 --> 01:02:07,413
Speaker 17: margins it's in because there is a ceiling of what

1275
01:02:07,413 --> 01:02:09,533
Speaker 17: the customer is willing to pay, and we're obviously trying

1276
01:02:09,533 --> 01:02:12,053
Speaker 17: to find that balance between covering costs and making sure

1277
01:02:12,093 --> 01:02:15,973
Speaker 17: that you know, the prices are still palatable for the customer.

1278
01:02:16,093 --> 01:02:20,413
Speaker 17: So you know, in that sense, I guess it might

1279
01:02:20,453 --> 01:02:24,173
Speaker 17: be marginally making more compared to your food products, but

1280
01:02:24,253 --> 01:02:26,733
Speaker 17: it doesn't mean that you're making money hand over first

1281
01:02:26,773 --> 01:02:27,133
Speaker 17: for sure.

1282
01:02:27,893 --> 01:02:30,053
Speaker 3: So is there anyone at all pushing this idea that

1283
01:02:30,093 --> 01:02:32,293
Speaker 3: I came up with today that we remove excise tax

1284
01:02:32,533 --> 01:02:37,573
Speaker 3: on alcohol sold within restaurants and bars, keep going hard

1285
01:02:37,653 --> 01:02:42,773
Speaker 3: on it, even increase it for bottle stores and supermarkets,

1286
01:02:43,253 --> 01:02:46,453
Speaker 3: but get rid of it completely in hospo, and my

1287
01:02:46,573 --> 01:02:52,573
Speaker 3: reason being that HOSPO employs people, build things, and there's

1288
01:02:52,573 --> 01:02:57,293
Speaker 3: a huge onus on restaurants and bars to look after

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Speaker 3: their patrons. Is there anyone at all that's pushing this idea?

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Speaker 17: I mean from a hospitality in New Zealand's perspective, we're

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Speaker 17: campaigning for a reduction of excite attack on kegs, but

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Speaker 17: given that you can specifically ring fence at around on

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01:03:14,693 --> 01:03:19,373
Speaker 17: premise hospitality venue consumption, so you know, it's a direct

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01:03:19,453 --> 01:03:23,293
Speaker 17: lever that links to the sector. We're we're not pushing

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Speaker 17: for a removal altogether. Certainly if for politicians came to

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01:03:28,253 --> 01:03:30,533
Speaker 17: pick that one up, would be happy to support that.

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Speaker 17: But I guess where we're sort of landed in somewhere

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Speaker 17: that we think as a practical, a practical solution that

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Speaker 17: kind of can keep as many people happy and that

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Speaker 17: realm as we can.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm starting the campaign here, Sam.

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01:03:45,173 --> 01:03:46,613
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll tell you.

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01:03:46,773 --> 01:03:47,973
Speaker 3: Could you updated with how I go?

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01:03:48,133 --> 01:03:49,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's taken up the mentor for you.

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01:03:50,093 --> 01:03:54,213
Speaker 3: I've got almost no power unfortunately, Sam.

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Speaker 18: Great to appreciate yours of the sector.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good on you're Sam. Good to chat with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us. That is Sam McKinnon,

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Speaker 2: Hospitality New Zealand Communications Managers to taking your calls on this.

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01:04:04,653 --> 01:04:07,613
Speaker 2: So at hundred eighty ten eighty, do you agree with

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01:04:07,653 --> 01:04:11,973
Speaker 2: Matt that should be no excise tax on booze served

1312
01:04:12,053 --> 01:04:15,733
Speaker 2: at restaurants and in bars in order to prop up

1313
01:04:15,773 --> 01:04:18,613
Speaker 2: what is an industry that does a lot of good

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. Love to hear from you. It is

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Speaker 2: twenty to three the issues.

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01:04:22,493 --> 01:04:24,973
Speaker 1: That affect you and a bit of fun along the way,

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01:04:25,173 --> 01:04:29,333
Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoons with Skoda place good codes every

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01:04:29,413 --> 01:04:30,053
Speaker 1: day at.

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Speaker 7: SKO do dot co dot NZ News Talks.

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Speaker 2: There'd be seventeen to three.

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Speaker 18: Get a Greg good afternoon, guys.

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Speaker 2: How are you very well?

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Speaker 3: Very good? So you work in a brewery bar? Is

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01:04:41,613 --> 01:04:41,973
Speaker 3: that correct?

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Speaker 16: Greek?

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Speaker 18: That's it? Yeah, I been in that industry for about

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01:04:45,293 --> 01:04:46,093
Speaker 18: roughly ten years.

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Speaker 3: So you're at the cold face of the situation. What

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Speaker 3: are your thoughts.

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Speaker 18: I think it freezing for a start, Freezing the excise

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01:04:53,893 --> 01:04:58,613
Speaker 18: would be sensible. You know, there's there's and bear in particularly,

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01:04:58,613 --> 01:05:02,573
Speaker 18: there's a few other price precious there with Co two

1333
01:05:02,693 --> 01:05:06,613
Speaker 18: nearly doubling the last few years, and Bali and Hops

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01:05:06,693 --> 01:05:09,533
Speaker 18: is also you know, not any cheaper.

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Speaker 2: Mm and so what are you seeing at the at

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01:05:13,133 --> 01:05:16,253
Speaker 2: the call face you obviously you're a brewery bar worker.

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01:05:16,373 --> 01:05:18,453
Speaker 2: Are you seeing less and less people coming in? Are

1338
01:05:18,453 --> 01:05:20,373
Speaker 2: they saying anything to you about the price that it

1339
01:05:20,373 --> 01:05:21,253
Speaker 2: costs them to have a point?

1340
01:05:23,213 --> 01:05:27,333
Speaker 18: Certainly for some customers that that's not being sensitive to

1341
01:05:27,373 --> 01:05:29,613
Speaker 18: the price increases and it once it got above say

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Speaker 18: twelve dollars, that was it for us, you know, so

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01:05:32,853 --> 01:05:36,933
Speaker 18: they go somewhere else where they can get the product cheaper. Also,

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01:05:37,013 --> 01:05:40,413
Speaker 18: I think it's generational thing, like the young youngsters are

1345
01:05:40,853 --> 01:05:43,773
Speaker 18: more into the Internet and gaming and Netflix that sort

1346
01:05:43,813 --> 01:05:43,973
Speaker 18: of thing.

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01:05:45,213 --> 01:05:46,373
Speaker 3: It's interesting thing.

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Speaker 18: They still get a lot of boomers and you know,

1349
01:05:47,973 --> 01:05:50,053
Speaker 18: that old age group coming in.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because people are you know, texting and saying, look,

1351
01:05:53,213 --> 01:05:55,773
Speaker 3: it's a good thing. People are drinking less. But it's

1352
01:05:55,813 --> 01:05:58,893
Speaker 3: not necessary that that it's a healthy thing that these

1353
01:05:59,253 --> 01:06:03,733
Speaker 3: kids aren't going out and drinking, because if they're just

1354
01:06:03,773 --> 01:06:08,533
Speaker 3: in their room by themselves, you know, doom scrolling, playing

1355
01:06:08,653 --> 01:06:12,853
Speaker 3: video games, watching adult material and never going out and

1356
01:06:12,893 --> 01:06:15,413
Speaker 3: meeting people and interacting. People always have this view that

1357
01:06:15,453 --> 01:06:17,893
Speaker 3: alcohol is just purely bad. But don't take an account.

1358
01:06:17,893 --> 01:06:22,493
Speaker 3: It's it's community, it's it's it's you know, meeting someone

1359
01:06:22,533 --> 01:06:24,933
Speaker 3: you may never meet, you may never see, you certainly

1360
01:06:24,973 --> 01:06:28,573
Speaker 3: not going to meet them in your room. So I mean,

1361
01:06:28,973 --> 01:06:31,533
Speaker 3: do you see the positive effects of alcohol out in

1362
01:06:31,773 --> 01:06:33,933
Speaker 3: the hospital environment? Greg, I'm leading question.

1363
01:06:34,133 --> 01:06:37,373
Speaker 18: Absolutely, we have a great environment and buying large people

1364
01:06:37,733 --> 01:06:41,893
Speaker 18: can drink responsibly, you know, have a few beers or

1365
01:06:42,013 --> 01:06:44,533
Speaker 18: wine and some food and you know, I have a

1366
01:06:44,533 --> 01:06:49,013
Speaker 18: good time go home. There's a small amount that have

1367
01:06:49,333 --> 01:06:52,293
Speaker 18: a problem with that and create a bit of friction.

1368
01:06:52,373 --> 01:06:54,613
Speaker 18: And sure alcohol does have a social harm, but there's

1369
01:06:54,653 --> 01:06:57,293
Speaker 18: just say so, does you know loneliness is as bad

1370
01:06:57,333 --> 01:07:00,653
Speaker 18: as a chronic loneliness, as bad as both smoking pack

1371
01:07:00,693 --> 01:07:04,093
Speaker 18: of cigarettes a week. It suggests you're not going to

1372
01:07:04,133 --> 01:07:06,853
Speaker 18: sleep well if you're on your phone, you know, just

1373
01:07:06,893 --> 01:07:08,133
Speaker 18: before you try to.

1374
01:07:08,053 --> 01:07:10,693
Speaker 3: Go Actually, I think that study out of the UK

1375
01:07:10,933 --> 01:07:13,133
Speaker 3: came up with it was fifteen cigarettes a day. It was,

1376
01:07:13,293 --> 01:07:15,213
Speaker 3: you know, chronic loneliness was as bad for you as

1377
01:07:15,253 --> 01:07:16,133
Speaker 3: fifteen cigarettes.

1378
01:07:16,973 --> 01:07:18,133
Speaker 18: Sorry I'm a little bit off.

1379
01:07:18,253 --> 01:07:20,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah no, but I mean you know that the

1380
01:07:20,333 --> 01:07:22,173
Speaker 3: pack a week was bad enough. But yeah, I mean

1381
01:07:22,373 --> 01:07:26,453
Speaker 3: people forget how much damage loneliness does and also how

1382
01:07:26,493 --> 01:07:29,013
Speaker 3: bad it is for our brains not to be socializing

1383
01:07:29,053 --> 01:07:31,453
Speaker 3: with a lot of different different people.

1384
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

1385
01:07:32,293 --> 01:07:34,693
Speaker 3: So whilst whilst all these people saying good people are

1386
01:07:34,773 --> 01:07:38,013
Speaker 3: drinking less that it's not that they're necessarily doing anything

1387
01:07:38,013 --> 01:07:40,533
Speaker 3: more healthy than drinking unintended consequences.

1388
01:07:40,613 --> 01:07:43,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, greeg, thank you very much for giving us a call.

1389
01:07:43,733 --> 01:07:45,693
Speaker 2: Really good to get your point of view.

1390
01:07:45,813 --> 01:07:49,693
Speaker 3: Glenses, Why would I go out to drink when I

1391
01:07:49,733 --> 01:07:51,613
Speaker 3: can get drinks with two dollars at home compared to

1392
01:07:51,653 --> 01:07:53,933
Speaker 3: fifteen dollars out drinking with the meal doubles that cost

1393
01:07:53,973 --> 01:07:58,093
Speaker 3: family of four sixty dollars. I drink water at dinner out. Also,

1394
01:07:58,133 --> 01:08:00,893
Speaker 3: alcohol Nausia is costly more costly than it is here,

1395
01:08:00,933 --> 01:08:02,533
Speaker 3: but they do have a different way of working out.

1396
01:08:02,533 --> 01:08:04,893
Speaker 3: You know, you pay more at the off license than

1397
01:08:05,733 --> 01:08:07,973
Speaker 3: you know that the off licenses taxed more heavily than

1398
01:08:08,013 --> 01:08:10,813
Speaker 3: the then in restaurants and bars. But you know, if

1399
01:08:10,813 --> 01:08:12,813
Speaker 3: you're in Sydney, then you're going to pay a decent

1400
01:08:12,853 --> 01:08:15,693
Speaker 3: amount for a skinner. That's right, aren't Yeah? But I

1401
01:08:15,733 --> 01:08:18,253
Speaker 3: mean that's exactly the point. Why would you pay too lot?

1402
01:08:18,333 --> 01:08:21,572
Speaker 3: Like so, the harm and alcohol, I believe. I think

1403
01:08:22,053 --> 01:08:24,732
Speaker 3: the majority of the harm in alcohol is done at home.

1404
01:08:24,772 --> 01:08:26,692
Speaker 3: When people can buy as much as they want and

1405
01:08:26,772 --> 01:08:29,133
Speaker 3: drink as much as they want at home. There's no

1406
01:08:29,173 --> 01:08:32,532
Speaker 3: stuff in that. You're not mitigating that by the amount

1407
01:08:32,572 --> 01:08:35,612
Speaker 3: of excise tax you put on HOSPO. You know, HOSPO

1408
01:08:36,013 --> 01:08:39,012
Speaker 3: is paying the same amount of exis tax and also

1409
01:08:39,133 --> 01:08:44,333
Speaker 3: looking after their patrons and also building businesses and renting places.

1410
01:08:45,293 --> 01:08:46,492
Speaker 3: People and a sense of community.

1411
01:08:46,572 --> 01:08:49,093
Speaker 2: Good for your mental health. Getting out there's no.

1412
01:08:49,093 --> 01:08:52,812
Speaker 3: Community and drinking seventeen bottles of wine by yourself in

1413
01:08:52,853 --> 01:08:54,253
Speaker 3: your bedroom while your doom scroll.

1414
01:08:54,933 --> 01:08:57,972
Speaker 2: If you've been honest, you know, and many people would

1415
01:08:57,973 --> 01:09:00,612
Speaker 2: think about this, the best relationships you've got in life

1416
01:09:01,412 --> 01:09:05,253
Speaker 2: would be involved. Alcohol would be involved in some way.

1417
01:09:05,333 --> 01:09:07,773
Speaker 2: It is true for me, many of the best relationships

1418
01:09:07,772 --> 01:09:09,972
Speaker 2: that I've got in life, alcohol has played a part

1419
01:09:09,973 --> 01:09:11,812
Speaker 2: in that. And I know Scott Galloway. We've talked about

1420
01:09:11,812 --> 01:09:14,692
Speaker 2: Scott Galloway a lot. He said that there's a lot

1421
01:09:14,692 --> 01:09:18,653
Speaker 2: of truth to it that without the ability to socialize

1422
01:09:18,652 --> 01:09:21,372
Speaker 2: with what is that lubricant, a lot of the best

1423
01:09:21,973 --> 01:09:24,572
Speaker 2: memories and people that I've met in this world never

1424
01:09:24,572 --> 01:09:26,572
Speaker 2: would have happened. And that's a great thing for me

1425
01:09:27,173 --> 01:09:30,492
Speaker 2: for my mental health, for that socialization. So that anti

1426
01:09:30,572 --> 01:09:32,692
Speaker 2: alcohol movement, it's got a lot to answer for.

1427
01:09:33,213 --> 01:09:35,652
Speaker 3: Do you want to know where I met my lovely partner,

1428
01:09:35,732 --> 01:09:39,492
Speaker 3: Tracy bah Bedford Soda and Leca Ponsonby Road.

1429
01:09:39,492 --> 01:09:41,932
Speaker 2: Right place, right, come on through one hundred and eighty

1430
01:09:42,013 --> 01:09:45,852
Speaker 2: ten eighty. Do you agree that excise on alcohol sales

1431
01:09:45,893 --> 01:09:49,093
Speaker 2: at hospitality needs to be removed for the betterment of society?

1432
01:09:49,133 --> 01:09:52,532
Speaker 1: It is twelve to three, the issues that affect you

1433
01:09:52,772 --> 01:09:54,253
Speaker 1: and a bit of fun along the way.

1434
01:09:54,492 --> 01:09:57,892
Speaker 7: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be.

1435
01:09:59,652 --> 01:10:00,772
Speaker 2: It is nine to three.

1436
01:10:01,412 --> 01:10:04,333
Speaker 7: Are you ready to crack the Scoda code?

1437
01:10:04,853 --> 01:10:07,652
Speaker 2: Yes, here we go, So the team at Scota one

1438
01:10:07,772 --> 01:10:10,732
Speaker 2: two cent you and a friend to experience the Tour

1439
01:10:10,893 --> 01:10:13,852
Speaker 2: de France when you play Scoda codes. If you've been

1440
01:10:13,893 --> 01:10:16,173
Speaker 2: to the Scotera website for today's sCOD to code, but

1441
01:10:16,253 --> 01:10:18,133
Speaker 2: needs some help. Here is your clue.

1442
01:10:19,652 --> 01:10:22,892
Speaker 3: You're doing this if you're on a bike, a horse,

1443
01:10:23,253 --> 01:10:25,612
Speaker 3: or a scooter. That clue again, you're doing this if

1444
01:10:25,612 --> 01:10:28,092
Speaker 3: you're on a bike, a horse, or a scooter.

1445
01:10:28,372 --> 01:10:31,213
Speaker 2: Right. Interesting. We are confident you'll crack that code. But

1446
01:10:31,372 --> 01:10:34,372
Speaker 2: to be into when that amazing trip for two to

1447
01:10:34,412 --> 01:10:37,492
Speaker 2: the Tour de Frant's head to Skoda dot co dot

1448
01:10:37,652 --> 01:10:40,253
Speaker 2: n zed right now, phenomenal trips to just go to

1449
01:10:40,253 --> 01:10:43,732
Speaker 2: scoter dot co dot en zed and enter your clue

1450
01:10:43,772 --> 01:10:47,093
Speaker 2: for today. Back to our discussion about the drop and

1451
01:10:47,133 --> 01:10:49,532
Speaker 2: consumption of alcohol and whether it makes sense to remove

1452
01:10:49,572 --> 01:10:53,293
Speaker 2: excise tax from alcohol sold at hospitality. Oh one hundred

1453
01:10:53,293 --> 01:10:56,092
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Lincoln?

1454
01:10:57,173 --> 01:10:59,052
Speaker 2: What's your fat mate?

1455
01:10:59,293 --> 01:11:00,133
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1456
01:11:00,293 --> 01:11:03,012
Speaker 20: Hey, yeah, I just keep hearing all the time about

1457
01:11:03,053 --> 01:11:07,612
Speaker 20: the drop off and alcohol consumption, and I'm just the

1458
01:11:07,652 --> 01:11:11,173
Speaker 20: people that the data. I'm just wondering whether underestimating the

1459
01:11:11,213 --> 01:11:15,612
Speaker 20: amount of recreational drugs that ye are in circulation in general,

1460
01:11:15,732 --> 01:11:18,412
Speaker 20: and because I just it just doesn't add up to me,

1461
01:11:18,612 --> 01:11:22,892
Speaker 20: what for generations and generations and generations that people have

1462
01:11:22,973 --> 01:11:26,692
Speaker 20: always drunk and now it's just it's just what suddenly

1463
01:11:26,732 --> 01:11:28,973
Speaker 20: falling off a cliff. It doesn't add up to me

1464
01:11:29,013 --> 01:11:29,572
Speaker 20: and people.

1465
01:11:30,452 --> 01:11:33,132
Speaker 3: I agree with you, Lincoln. I think humans, the human

1466
01:11:33,213 --> 01:11:35,812
Speaker 3: need to get out of it and alter the state

1467
01:11:35,853 --> 01:11:38,133
Speaker 3: of their mind. It's so strong. It does seem odd

1468
01:11:38,133 --> 01:11:40,812
Speaker 3: that it's jumped off a quick cliff so quickly. And

1469
01:11:40,853 --> 01:11:45,333
Speaker 3: I've heard, I've heard Lincoln anecdotally that alcohol you're more

1470
01:11:45,412 --> 01:11:48,972
Speaker 3: likely to humiliate yourself and be filmed humiliating yourself than

1471
01:11:49,893 --> 01:11:54,133
Speaker 3: on illegal drugs. Right, So yeah, So there's also that

1472
01:11:54,253 --> 01:11:56,133
Speaker 3: social pressure because as soon as there's a video of

1473
01:11:56,173 --> 01:11:58,253
Speaker 3: you dribbling drunk and acting like a moron like you

1474
01:11:58,253 --> 01:12:00,652
Speaker 3: do when you're drunk, then you know that's that's a

1475
01:12:00,652 --> 01:12:01,772
Speaker 3: strong reason not to drink.

1476
01:12:01,812 --> 01:12:02,452
Speaker 2: Big consequence.

1477
01:12:02,532 --> 01:12:06,532
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, And I mean, of course, you know what

1478
01:12:06,652 --> 01:12:09,532
Speaker 20: I hear, you know the that the price of drugs

1479
01:12:09,572 --> 01:12:13,452
Speaker 20: in some areas has come down in christ But yeah,

1480
01:12:13,853 --> 01:12:16,612
Speaker 20: I just don't buy it. I just what you just said, Matt.

1481
01:12:16,652 --> 01:12:21,213
Speaker 20: You know that that innate feeling on people wanting to

1482
01:12:21,412 --> 01:12:25,892
Speaker 20: escape that just doesn't disappear. And I'm just not buying it.

1483
01:12:26,173 --> 01:12:29,492
Speaker 20: And I get frustrated when I hear it. I could

1484
01:12:29,572 --> 01:12:31,572
Speaker 20: be wrong. But I just think that they don't know

1485
01:12:31,572 --> 01:12:32,013
Speaker 20: how to.

1486
01:12:32,612 --> 01:12:33,293
Speaker 7: Factor that in.

1487
01:12:33,933 --> 01:12:35,492
Speaker 3: I think you're right, because I mean, it's hard to

1488
01:12:35,492 --> 01:12:39,253
Speaker 3: get numbers on illegal, you know, illegal activities. But you know,

1489
01:12:39,293 --> 01:12:41,612
Speaker 3: we were talking about Electric Avenue in the first hour

1490
01:12:41,652 --> 01:12:45,253
Speaker 3: of the show today and the MDMA tests that. Tyler,

1491
01:12:45,253 --> 01:12:46,812
Speaker 3: you've got some information there.

1492
01:12:46,893 --> 01:12:49,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, So just reading the story verbatim, here a warning

1493
01:12:49,812 --> 01:12:54,852
Speaker 2: to Electric Avenue festival goers that some drug circulating the

1494
01:12:54,893 --> 01:12:57,452
Speaker 2: two day event could be far stronger than expected. Know

1495
01:12:57,532 --> 01:13:00,372
Speaker 2: your staff who tests it. They say that more than

1496
01:13:00,412 --> 01:13:02,692
Speaker 2: half of the pills they tested recently contained more than

1497
01:13:02,732 --> 01:13:03,893
Speaker 2: one dose of MDM A.

1498
01:13:04,093 --> 01:13:06,293
Speaker 3: Well, so that something. So if the warning coming out

1499
01:13:06,372 --> 01:13:09,452
Speaker 3: of that event is around the dosing of m d

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01:13:09,612 --> 01:13:11,452
Speaker 3: M A, it would sound like, Lincoln, You've got a

1501
01:13:11,492 --> 01:13:14,892
Speaker 3: point there that they're not they're not sending the messaging

1502
01:13:14,893 --> 01:13:17,652
Speaker 3: about pre loading, and they're not sending the message about

1503
01:13:17,812 --> 01:13:20,013
Speaker 3: over drinking at the event. The messaging that's coming out

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01:13:20,093 --> 01:13:22,213
Speaker 3: is that about about the MDA Know your drugs?

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01:13:22,253 --> 01:13:25,812
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, No, I think I think the societal things

1506
01:13:25,853 --> 01:13:29,692
Speaker 20: have changed, and yeah, other things are going down instead

1507
01:13:29,732 --> 01:13:32,252
Speaker 20: of it, instead of down the neck of alcohol.

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01:13:32,973 --> 01:13:35,213
Speaker 3: I think we all know that's true. I think if

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01:13:35,253 --> 01:13:40,333
Speaker 3: people have any experience around young people, I think that's clear. Hey,

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01:13:40,372 --> 01:13:42,692
Speaker 3: thank you so much for calling. Oh you're going to finished?

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01:13:43,293 --> 01:13:45,013
Speaker 20: Oh no, I was just thinking, you know, and just

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01:13:45,093 --> 01:13:47,532
Speaker 20: then there's just a social media aspect and you know,

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01:13:47,732 --> 01:13:49,652
Speaker 20: like where people might be on their phones but more

1514
01:13:49,692 --> 01:13:52,772
Speaker 20: at home and not going out. But ye, you can

1515
01:13:52,812 --> 01:13:53,932
Speaker 20: only do that for so long, all.

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01:13:53,893 --> 01:13:57,173
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, good call Lincoln. Thank you very much

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01:13:57,173 --> 01:13:57,612
Speaker 2: for your call.

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01:13:58,053 --> 01:14:01,053
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's been a great discussion. Thank you so

1519
01:14:01,133 --> 01:14:04,053
Speaker 3: much for for for tuning in. There's no doubt that

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01:14:04,093 --> 01:14:06,492
Speaker 3: alcohol is a social harm. That that's why governments have

1521
01:14:06,532 --> 01:14:09,213
Speaker 3: been able to bring excised text in the past, which

1522
01:14:09,253 --> 01:14:12,492
Speaker 3: is really a syntax. Isn't it alcohol bad? So we

1523
01:14:12,532 --> 01:14:15,733
Speaker 3: make some money off it? But with alcohol consumption plummeting,

1524
01:14:16,372 --> 01:14:19,533
Speaker 3: it or something else is doing the work of reducing

1525
01:14:20,133 --> 01:14:23,812
Speaker 3: the damage that alcohol does. Consumption went down, but the

1526
01:14:23,893 --> 01:14:28,012
Speaker 3: tax intake remained the same or increased over the past

1527
01:14:28,532 --> 01:14:32,053
Speaker 3: five years, and the amount of XIS tax has gone

1528
01:14:32,093 --> 01:14:34,852
Speaker 3: up twenty percent in the last five years. So seems

1529
01:14:34,893 --> 01:14:37,732
Speaker 3: only fair to me that a freeze on the increase

1530
01:14:38,213 --> 01:14:41,892
Speaker 3: is looked at and give our hospow businesses a chance.

1531
01:14:41,973 --> 01:14:44,253
Speaker 3: Because while there is a social harm to alcohol. There

1532
01:14:44,333 --> 01:14:49,452
Speaker 3: is a huge social benefit in humans getting out and socializing.

1533
01:14:49,893 --> 01:14:52,293
Speaker 3: So I say, you know, and I'd go even further.

1534
01:14:52,333 --> 01:14:53,932
Speaker 3: I'd say get rid of it completely in the bars

1535
01:14:53,973 --> 01:14:57,692
Speaker 3: and restaurants and let's all get together and maybe you'll

1536
01:14:57,732 --> 01:14:58,852
Speaker 3: meet your Tracy at a bar.

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01:14:59,372 --> 01:15:03,293
Speaker 2: Honestly said, mate, that's beautiful right. Coming up after three

1538
01:15:03,293 --> 01:15:06,492
Speaker 2: o'clock long distance relationships and marriages. Want to have a

1539
01:15:06,572 --> 01:15:08,612
Speaker 2: chat to you if you're in that situation. This is

1540
01:15:08,612 --> 01:15:12,893
Speaker 2: after Baz Luhrman, very well known Australian director, has admitted

1541
01:15:13,412 --> 01:15:17,492
Speaker 2: him and his wife Katherine don't actually live together, let

1542
01:15:17,532 --> 01:15:20,133
Speaker 2: alone the same country. So can to get your views

1543
01:15:20,133 --> 01:15:22,772
Speaker 2: on this? One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

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01:15:22,853 --> 01:15:25,293
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two is the text New Sport and weather

1545
01:15:25,412 --> 01:15:27,572
Speaker 2: is coming up. You're listening to Matt and Tyler grat

1546
01:15:27,612 --> 01:15:30,093
Speaker 2: to have your company this afternoon. You stay right here.

1547
01:15:30,173 --> 01:15:31,853
Speaker 2: We will be back very shortly.

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01:15:37,492 --> 01:15:55,093
Speaker 1: Your your home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Matt

1549
01:15:55,173 --> 01:15:59,132
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons with Skoda on News talksb

1550
01:16:00,133 --> 01:16:01,012
Speaker 1: very good afternoons.

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01:16:01,013 --> 01:16:03,812
Speaker 2: You welcome back into the program. It is seven past

1552
01:16:03,933 --> 01:16:06,692
Speaker 2: three grade your company as always is going to be

1553
01:16:06,853 --> 01:16:11,732
Speaker 2: an interesting discussion. Bears Lerman very well known Australian director.

1554
01:16:11,772 --> 01:16:14,173
Speaker 2: He's had some mega hits, but he recently came out

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01:16:14,173 --> 01:16:17,173
Speaker 2: in an interview saying his twenty nine year marriage to

1556
01:16:17,213 --> 01:16:20,692
Speaker 2: wife Catherine Martin isn't traditional. They'll spend a lot of

1557
01:16:20,692 --> 01:16:24,012
Speaker 2: time apart because of work and have an unconventional dynamic,

1558
01:16:24,053 --> 01:16:27,573
Speaker 2: he says, But he still insists it's a strong, absolutely

1559
01:16:27,612 --> 01:16:30,973
Speaker 2: real relationship built on deep trust and creativity. But the

1560
01:16:31,372 --> 01:16:35,612
Speaker 2: big unconventional, unconventional element to it is they don't actually

1561
01:16:35,612 --> 01:16:37,333
Speaker 2: live together. In fact, they don't even live in the

1562
01:16:37,333 --> 01:16:37,932
Speaker 2: same country.

1563
01:16:38,053 --> 01:16:42,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're married, but twenty nine years in different countries. Yeah,

1564
01:16:42,452 --> 01:16:46,213
Speaker 3: so that's an intense long term relationship, a long distance relationship,

1565
01:16:46,253 --> 01:16:49,452
Speaker 3: long term long distance relationship. Is that even possible?

1566
01:16:50,133 --> 01:16:50,933
Speaker 2: I think it is.

1567
01:16:52,253 --> 01:16:56,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, so twenty nine years, something else is going

1568
01:16:56,293 --> 01:16:56,732
Speaker 3: on there.

1569
01:16:56,652 --> 01:16:58,612
Speaker 2: Right, you'd have to think. I mean, look, you did

1570
01:16:58,612 --> 01:16:58,812
Speaker 2: go on.

1571
01:16:59,452 --> 01:17:02,053
Speaker 3: Because they're both very, very wealthy and successful people. So

1572
01:17:02,093 --> 01:17:04,092
Speaker 3: if they wanted to organize to live in the same country,

1573
01:17:04,133 --> 01:17:04,492
Speaker 3: they could.

1574
01:17:04,532 --> 01:17:05,372
Speaker 2: It'd be pretty easy.

1575
01:17:05,452 --> 01:17:07,452
Speaker 3: It's not like someone going off to work in the

1576
01:17:07,572 --> 01:17:10,532
Speaker 3: mines in Western Australia to make some money so you

1577
01:17:10,572 --> 01:17:14,253
Speaker 3: can buy a house together in total something is it? Yeah,

1578
01:17:14,333 --> 01:17:18,053
Speaker 3: it's like wealthy people, so that seems like something else

1579
01:17:18,093 --> 01:17:19,692
Speaker 3: going on there. I'm suspicious of any kind of long

1580
01:17:19,732 --> 01:17:20,572
Speaker 3: distance relationship.

1581
01:17:20,933 --> 01:17:22,812
Speaker 2: He's an interesting guy, Benz Luman. I've got to say,

1582
01:17:22,812 --> 01:17:24,333
Speaker 2: I don't know too much about his wife. I mean,

1583
01:17:24,572 --> 01:17:27,452
Speaker 2: he's had some fantastic movies Mulin Rouge, The Great gasby

1584
01:17:27,612 --> 01:17:32,012
Speaker 2: Elvis he also directed, but clearly an unusual situation. What's

1585
01:17:32,053 --> 01:17:34,412
Speaker 2: the point of being married if you are living in

1586
01:17:34,652 --> 01:17:35,693
Speaker 2: separate comfries.

1587
01:17:36,452 --> 01:17:38,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean every time she sees him again, she

1588
01:17:38,812 --> 01:17:40,892
Speaker 3: must be surprised by then you work his head done,

1589
01:17:40,933 --> 01:17:42,612
Speaker 3: his face, he looks like a totally different person now

1590
01:17:42,652 --> 01:17:44,973
Speaker 3: he's had so much facial work done. But that's a

1591
01:17:45,013 --> 01:17:45,732
Speaker 3: totally different shit.

1592
01:17:45,732 --> 01:17:48,372
Speaker 2: He's getting pretty close to catlike at the stage.

1593
01:17:48,452 --> 01:17:50,852
Speaker 3: So is it possible. Is it possible to have a

1594
01:17:50,893 --> 01:17:54,772
Speaker 3: long distant relationship successfully or is it just the departure lounge?

1595
01:17:55,293 --> 01:17:58,812
Speaker 3: So you can't quite break up? So but someone needs

1596
01:17:58,853 --> 01:18:01,812
Speaker 3: to go somewhere else, and so you go, and then

1597
01:18:01,812 --> 01:18:04,892
Speaker 3: you give it a go and then your breakup. Oh,

1598
01:18:05,093 --> 01:18:07,053
Speaker 3: they meet someone else, and you meet someone else, and

1599
01:18:07,093 --> 01:18:11,452
Speaker 3: then it was really just a step on the path

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01:18:11,492 --> 01:18:12,253
Speaker 3: to breaking.

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01:18:12,013 --> 01:18:14,412
Speaker 2: Up, oh eight hundred, because if you.

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01:18:14,572 --> 01:18:17,732
Speaker 3: Really love someone and you don't you want to make

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01:18:17,732 --> 01:18:20,532
Speaker 3: a life with them, it's not a life with someone

1604
01:18:20,572 --> 01:18:23,133
Speaker 3: if it's on the other side of the world. Stay

1605
01:18:23,173 --> 01:18:25,772
Speaker 3: friends and get you can both get other partners and

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01:18:25,812 --> 01:18:28,412
Speaker 3: stay friends over long distance and catch up every now

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01:18:28,412 --> 01:18:28,732
Speaker 3: and then.

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01:18:28,853 --> 01:18:31,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, still stay friends. I think you know people that

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01:18:31,133 --> 01:18:34,093
Speaker 2: say absence makes the heart grow fonder. I've always thought

1610
01:18:34,093 --> 01:18:36,372
Speaker 2: that was rubbish. I don't think that's true. Long distance

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01:18:36,612 --> 01:18:38,093
Speaker 2: is you know, it.

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01:18:38,053 --> 01:18:40,492
Speaker 3: Makes the heart growth fonder for someone else that you've

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01:18:40,492 --> 01:18:41,132
Speaker 3: just met.

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01:18:41,412 --> 01:18:43,692
Speaker 2: Certainly done and the town that you're in. Yeah, So

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01:18:44,133 --> 01:18:46,412
Speaker 2: keen to hear your stories O eight one hundred eighty

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01:18:46,572 --> 01:18:50,692
Speaker 2: ten eighty long distance relationships and marriages? Can they survive?

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01:18:50,772 --> 01:18:53,532
Speaker 2: Are you in one yourself? And how does it work? Really?

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01:18:53,612 --> 01:18:55,612
Speaker 2: Keen to have a chat with you? Nine two ninety

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01:18:55,612 --> 01:18:58,532
Speaker 2: two is that text number is well? And I believe

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01:18:58,652 --> 01:19:01,093
Speaker 2: coming up very shortly. There's a gentleman who's called in

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01:19:01,173 --> 01:19:05,173
Speaker 2: called Ben. He actually knows bears lerman and his wife right,

1622
01:19:05,253 --> 01:19:07,693
Speaker 2: So this is going to be a fascinating chat. We'll

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01:19:07,732 --> 01:19:10,133
Speaker 2: get Ben on the line very shortly and get his

1624
01:19:10,293 --> 01:19:13,452
Speaker 2: analysis of how that relationship works. But keen to get

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01:19:13,452 --> 01:19:17,253
Speaker 2: your stories long distance relationships and marriages do they ever work?

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01:19:17,293 --> 01:19:19,333
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

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01:19:19,572 --> 01:19:23,253
Speaker 2: It is ten past three. U's talks'd be there's thirteen

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01:19:23,333 --> 01:19:26,933
Speaker 2: past three. So where talking about long distance marriages and relationships?

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01:19:26,973 --> 01:19:28,812
Speaker 2: Can they ever work? This is on the back of

1630
01:19:28,812 --> 01:19:32,652
Speaker 2: bears Lermin, well known Hollywood director from Australia, but says

1631
01:19:32,732 --> 01:19:36,412
Speaker 2: he admitted him and his wife Katherine Martin don't actually

1632
01:19:36,452 --> 01:19:38,652
Speaker 2: live together. They'll be married twenty nine years, but a

1633
01:19:38,772 --> 01:19:41,452
Speaker 2: very long distance relationship and seems to work, but he

1634
01:19:41,492 --> 01:19:44,732
Speaker 2: admitted it was unconventional. So keen to hear your stories.

1635
01:19:44,772 --> 01:19:47,532
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to

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01:19:47,612 --> 01:19:48,893
Speaker 2: call if you want to send a text? Nine to

1637
01:19:49,053 --> 01:19:54,093
Speaker 2: niney two is the text number. But Ben, you've got

1638
01:19:54,093 --> 01:19:55,452
Speaker 2: some analysis.

1639
01:19:54,933 --> 01:19:59,333
Speaker 21: On this, well, just a little bit of context. I

1640
01:19:59,333 --> 01:20:01,892
Speaker 21: think I've been fortunate enough to meet a lot of

1641
01:20:01,893 --> 01:20:04,372
Speaker 21: good people, and two of them are bes Lerhmin and

1642
01:20:04,412 --> 01:20:08,493
Speaker 21: Katherine Martin. Because we actually work with Katherine in regard

1643
01:20:08,532 --> 01:20:13,252
Speaker 21: to taking some of her creativity being designs and costume

1644
01:20:13,293 --> 01:20:16,772
Speaker 21: et cetera into the world of furnishings, and we have

1645
01:20:16,772 --> 01:20:19,933
Speaker 21: a studio that adapts what she's created, maybe for the

1646
01:20:19,973 --> 01:20:22,972
Speaker 21: set or a movie or whatever, and or we create

1647
01:20:23,053 --> 01:20:24,933
Speaker 21: some of the product for her for these movies, and

1648
01:20:24,933 --> 01:20:28,532
Speaker 21: we supply quite a lot of the textile for Chasmark Production.

1649
01:20:28,933 --> 01:20:32,933
Speaker 21: And it's the relationship is via our Sydney design studios

1650
01:20:33,452 --> 01:20:38,093
Speaker 21: that I have met Catherine numerous times and sometimes tow

1651
01:20:38,133 --> 01:20:40,253
Speaker 21: or three days we've got an advent or launch of

1652
01:20:40,293 --> 01:20:42,892
Speaker 21: a movie or whatever might be going on. And I

1653
01:20:42,973 --> 01:20:45,732
Speaker 21: just wanted to put a little context around the concept

1654
01:20:45,732 --> 01:20:48,213
Speaker 21: of a long distance marriage. Twenty nine years is a

1655
01:20:48,213 --> 01:20:50,812
Speaker 21: long time and they have lived together for a fair

1656
01:20:50,933 --> 01:20:54,012
Speaker 21: chunk of that time, and they've lived in numerous cities

1657
01:20:54,053 --> 01:20:59,452
Speaker 21: that Paris, New York, Sydney. They get around, but they

1658
01:20:59,492 --> 01:21:03,452
Speaker 21: also have a very high performance business and bas Mark

1659
01:21:03,532 --> 01:21:10,412
Speaker 21: Productions as Bass Movie World and not just move Netflix documentaries.

1660
01:21:10,452 --> 01:21:14,013
Speaker 21: He works for the MET and what works with the Met,

1661
01:21:14,093 --> 01:21:20,253
Speaker 21: I should say in Manhattan, and Catherine certainly does his

1662
01:21:20,333 --> 01:21:23,812
Speaker 21: set design, costume design. She's won four Oscars. Not many

1663
01:21:23,812 --> 01:21:26,052
Speaker 21: people walk around the world with four oscars, but she has.

1664
01:21:25,973 --> 01:21:29,052
Speaker 18: Them down in the closet. That's that's not on display.

1665
01:21:29,213 --> 01:21:30,092
Speaker 3: I respect that he's.

1666
01:21:30,173 --> 01:21:33,732
Speaker 21: An incredibly warm, normal human being. And the two of

1667
01:21:33,732 --> 01:21:36,572
Speaker 21: them have produced a very nice young, well now probably

1668
01:21:36,772 --> 01:21:37,772
Speaker 21: nineteen year old son.

1669
01:21:38,933 --> 01:21:41,932
Speaker 2: So they had two children, ben Ah.

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01:21:41,772 --> 01:21:42,412
Speaker 18: They could well have.

1671
01:21:42,492 --> 01:21:44,133
Speaker 21: I met the son several times and needs to go

1672
01:21:44,173 --> 01:21:46,972
Speaker 21: to work a sense of humor, and the daughter's properly away.

1673
01:21:47,333 --> 01:21:49,492
Speaker 7: Doing I don't show you.

1674
01:21:49,572 --> 01:21:52,133
Speaker 21: I don't. They're not really closer buddies, but I just

1675
01:21:52,973 --> 01:21:55,932
Speaker 21: know that they have lived together through their marriage. Not

1676
01:21:55,973 --> 01:22:01,412
Speaker 21: always they because of the demands of their career chosen careers.

1677
01:22:01,492 --> 01:22:05,213
Speaker 21: They travel a lot, and they are a part a lot,

1678
01:22:06,772 --> 01:22:08,213
Speaker 21: and there seems to work for them.

1679
01:22:08,412 --> 01:22:09,052
Speaker 3: They're still tight.

1680
01:22:09,492 --> 01:22:13,092
Speaker 21: I've also I've also got some guys or girls actually

1681
01:22:13,173 --> 01:22:16,852
Speaker 21: work in our team and the agent of Mandarin descent,

1682
01:22:17,452 --> 01:22:20,213
Speaker 21: their husbands, they've been there, they've worked. One of them's

1683
01:22:20,213 --> 01:22:25,532
Speaker 21: worked for us for eleven years. And China, you just

1684
01:22:25,572 --> 01:22:26,053
Speaker 21: cut out there.

1685
01:22:27,213 --> 01:22:28,852
Speaker 3: You just cut out there for a sec Can you

1686
01:22:28,853 --> 01:22:30,253
Speaker 3: go back to the start of your sentence because you

1687
01:22:30,293 --> 01:22:32,053
Speaker 3: cut out at the key point of it. So you're

1688
01:22:32,053 --> 01:22:34,133
Speaker 3: saying that you've got some employees.

1689
01:22:33,973 --> 01:22:37,692
Speaker 21: To be a life who knows it works for them

1690
01:22:37,812 --> 01:22:39,652
Speaker 21: seems to they haven't got divorced. They're not on the

1691
01:22:39,692 --> 01:22:41,333
Speaker 21: departure lounge as far as they can see.

1692
01:22:42,253 --> 01:22:42,692
Speaker 16: So it's.

1693
01:22:44,812 --> 01:22:46,892
Speaker 2: You just cut out the conte. Yeah, so you just

1694
01:22:46,893 --> 01:22:48,412
Speaker 2: actually cut out there for a bit. Then, But you're

1695
01:22:48,452 --> 01:22:51,372
Speaker 2: talking about a Mandarin workers that you've got, and they've

1696
01:22:51,492 --> 01:22:54,133
Speaker 2: they have long distance marriages as well, I take it.

1697
01:22:54,173 --> 01:22:59,293
Speaker 21: Yes, yeah, because the opportunities in their rural villages in

1698
01:22:59,452 --> 01:23:01,972
Speaker 21: China weren't that great. They've been educated, they've come out

1699
01:23:02,013 --> 01:23:04,013
Speaker 21: to another country. One of them is working here, one

1700
01:23:04,013 --> 01:23:06,892
Speaker 21: of them is working there, and they're determined to make

1701
01:23:06,933 --> 01:23:10,053
Speaker 21: good and it seems to work for them. It's a

1702
01:23:10,053 --> 01:23:11,053
Speaker 21: little bit different to what.

1703
01:23:11,492 --> 01:23:14,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when you go down to you know,

1704
01:23:14,412 --> 01:23:17,053
Speaker 3: if you if you visit the Chinese village and Arrow

1705
01:23:17,093 --> 01:23:19,812
Speaker 3: Town and you read the stories. I mean back then

1706
01:23:20,213 --> 01:23:22,133
Speaker 3: the gold Rush, there were people that were leaving their

1707
01:23:22,133 --> 01:23:24,053
Speaker 3: family for five years, so they'd come over here to

1708
01:23:24,093 --> 01:23:25,892
Speaker 3: try and make their money, leave their wife for fire

1709
01:23:25,933 --> 01:23:27,812
Speaker 3: and family for five years to make the money to

1710
01:23:27,853 --> 01:23:30,293
Speaker 3: take it back. And they weren't getting a lot of

1711
01:23:30,333 --> 01:23:33,933
Speaker 3: communications from home back then in the in eighteen eighty.

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01:23:34,853 --> 01:23:37,053
Speaker 21: Yeah, and trying disputy to say alive and not be

1713
01:23:37,173 --> 01:23:38,492
Speaker 21: murdered because they found bit of gold.

1714
01:23:39,492 --> 01:23:40,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1715
01:23:40,772 --> 01:23:43,612
Speaker 3: And so so you said you make furniture because you know,

1716
01:23:43,732 --> 01:23:48,092
Speaker 3: like obviously famously Bears Lehman's movies are so incredibly lush.

1717
01:23:48,173 --> 01:23:53,013
Speaker 3: Every single shot has got the absolute perfect costume and

1718
01:23:53,572 --> 01:23:56,532
Speaker 3: furniture and obviously his wife's doing the costume. So so

1719
01:23:56,612 --> 01:24:00,652
Speaker 3: what kind of furniture have you made for for Bears

1720
01:24:00,692 --> 01:24:01,653
Speaker 3: Bears productions?

1721
01:24:02,893 --> 01:24:05,532
Speaker 21: Well, slight creation is furnishing, So it's the fabric that

1722
01:24:05,612 --> 01:24:08,652
Speaker 21: goes on the Finnish and all the drapery or the

1723
01:24:08,692 --> 01:24:12,452
Speaker 21: backdrops or whatever. So like the Elvis, there's a lot

1724
01:24:12,532 --> 01:24:18,452
Speaker 21: of leopards and tigers. Peacock was Elvis's thing, and we've

1725
01:24:18,452 --> 01:24:21,692
Speaker 21: got peacock designs and arranged today you can find them

1726
01:24:21,692 --> 01:24:26,412
Speaker 21: and pomps and pix. They're well represented through the country

1727
01:24:26,412 --> 01:24:30,852
Speaker 21: with a better end furnishing specialists. But it's it's and

1728
01:24:30,933 --> 01:24:33,093
Speaker 21: I wasn't looking for a plug here. I was just

1729
01:24:33,133 --> 01:24:35,173
Speaker 21: trying to put a little context around the fact that

1730
01:24:35,253 --> 01:24:39,732
Speaker 21: Katherine Martin, who's the set designer, has also a very

1731
01:24:39,772 --> 01:24:43,293
Speaker 21: busy schedule. She's got her her interests are quite diverse

1732
01:24:43,372 --> 01:24:48,333
Speaker 21: and beyond just costume set design, and she's got all

1733
01:24:48,372 --> 01:24:51,173
Speaker 21: sorts of interior products, fashion, she does quite a lot

1734
01:24:51,173 --> 01:24:56,612
Speaker 21: of charity work. She's an enormously generous person to the

1735
01:24:56,652 --> 01:24:58,253
Speaker 21: communities she's involved with.

1736
01:24:58,692 --> 01:25:02,692
Speaker 2: They sound like absolutely one people and incredibly successfully to say, Ben,

1737
01:25:02,772 --> 01:25:05,492
Speaker 2: but you've got to say, it is an unusual set

1738
01:25:05,572 --> 01:25:07,572
Speaker 2: up in terms of a marriage, and clearly they are

1739
01:25:07,612 --> 01:25:10,133
Speaker 2: at the the peak of the industry that they are in.

1740
01:25:10,293 --> 01:25:12,972
Speaker 2: But for many people look at you know, thinking about

1741
01:25:13,013 --> 01:25:15,372
Speaker 2: the idea of a long distance marriage would be very

1742
01:25:15,492 --> 01:25:16,132
Speaker 2: very unusual.

1743
01:25:16,173 --> 01:25:20,372
Speaker 21: Yes, yes, no, I couldn't agree more. But it's one

1744
01:25:20,452 --> 01:25:23,772
Speaker 21: way of looking at it is it's absolute commitment to

1745
01:25:23,973 --> 01:25:27,412
Speaker 21: your goals. Yeah, right, you've got to say, you know,

1746
01:25:27,532 --> 01:25:29,173
Speaker 21: and we all have a different opinion on how much

1747
01:25:29,253 --> 01:25:31,053
Speaker 21: is enough for them. I don't think it's a bit

1748
01:25:31,093 --> 01:25:33,093
Speaker 21: of a little bit like Tiger Woods hitting that little

1749
01:25:33,093 --> 01:25:37,492
Speaker 21: white ball. You know, he's well and truly succeeded well

1750
01:25:37,532 --> 01:25:41,293
Speaker 21: beyond anybody's expectations, say thirty years ago, but he still

1751
01:25:41,333 --> 01:25:43,053
Speaker 21: fronts up and wants to have another go because he

1752
01:25:43,133 --> 01:25:45,173
Speaker 21: just wants that perfect experience.

1753
01:25:45,333 --> 01:25:47,652
Speaker 3: Well, if you've ever seen it, perhaps have you ever

1754
01:25:47,652 --> 01:25:51,293
Speaker 3: seen a bears lumin movie? From Romeo and Juliet onwards?

1755
01:25:51,333 --> 01:25:55,892
Speaker 3: The great Gas Gadsby, you know Elvis recently, Moulin Rouge,

1756
01:25:56,013 --> 01:25:58,133
Speaker 3: every part of it, the amount of work that goes

1757
01:25:58,173 --> 01:26:01,053
Speaker 3: into his movies, the amount of detail in it that

1758
01:26:01,293 --> 01:26:03,372
Speaker 3: you know you're going to be spending a lot of

1759
01:26:03,372 --> 01:26:05,732
Speaker 3: your life focusing on your career. If your bear's lumen

1760
01:26:05,893 --> 01:26:07,772
Speaker 3: and sounds like the same with his with his wife

1761
01:26:07,812 --> 01:26:11,773
Speaker 3: as well. They're high level artists that are highly motivated

1762
01:26:11,853 --> 01:26:13,133
Speaker 3: and very focused on their art.

1763
01:26:13,412 --> 01:26:16,053
Speaker 21: You've got it. Yeah, And that's that's think So that

1764
01:26:16,173 --> 01:26:17,692
Speaker 21: that's the point I was trying to make. You know,

1765
01:26:17,772 --> 01:26:19,732
Speaker 21: they are totally committed to what they do.

1766
01:26:19,973 --> 01:26:22,492
Speaker 2: Good on you, Ben, fascinating job you've got and thank

1767
01:26:22,492 --> 01:26:24,852
Speaker 2: you very much for giving us a call. I will

1768
01:26:24,853 --> 01:26:27,093
Speaker 2: stand that. You know, that is an unusual situation with

1769
01:26:27,133 --> 01:26:30,372
Speaker 2: Baz Luhman and his wife. Granted sound like incredible people,

1770
01:26:30,652 --> 01:26:33,293
Speaker 2: very successful, but I just think when it comes to

1771
01:26:33,333 --> 01:26:36,932
Speaker 2: a long distance relationship, they are a rarity for most

1772
01:26:36,973 --> 01:26:40,172
Speaker 2: people out there. It would be incredibly hard to maintain

1773
01:26:40,333 --> 01:26:43,653
Speaker 2: that closeness for something like a marriage.

1774
01:26:44,013 --> 01:26:45,972
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know, you'd have to have a huge

1775
01:26:46,013 --> 01:26:47,812
Speaker 3: love in your life like they do and their lovers,

1776
01:26:47,853 --> 01:26:49,732
Speaker 3: their their their work takes up a lot of time

1777
01:26:49,973 --> 01:26:51,973
Speaker 3: the sticks says Cricket has only spent forty nights a

1778
01:26:52,053 --> 01:26:55,213
Speaker 3: year at home. Gary Stead, New Zealand credit coach said that, yeah,

1779
01:26:55,293 --> 01:26:58,133
Speaker 3: you think about Gary Steed and he's stepped down now,

1780
01:26:58,253 --> 01:27:00,732
Speaker 3: but the amount you're away, but you always have. You

1781
01:27:00,772 --> 01:27:03,093
Speaker 3: have that thing with professional sports people, right, they're away

1782
01:27:03,133 --> 01:27:06,732
Speaker 3: all the time. And then they retire and they go

1783
01:27:06,812 --> 01:27:09,412
Speaker 3: home and then and the wife that's always been or

1784
01:27:09,412 --> 01:27:11,652
Speaker 3: a husband, but their wife has been in the cases

1785
01:27:11,652 --> 01:27:14,412
Speaker 3: that I know of, has been you know, you're always away,

1786
01:27:14,452 --> 01:27:16,253
Speaker 3: you're his way. And then they get home and they're like, oh,

1787
01:27:16,293 --> 01:27:18,812
Speaker 3: this business really annoying to have one now, Yeah, and

1788
01:27:18,772 --> 01:27:19,932
Speaker 3: they immediately divorce.

1789
01:27:20,253 --> 01:27:22,412
Speaker 2: Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're in

1790
01:27:22,452 --> 01:27:25,293
Speaker 2: a long distance relationship, how is it working out for you?

1791
01:27:25,412 --> 01:27:28,093
Speaker 2: Really can to hear your story? It is twenty one

1792
01:27:28,133 --> 01:27:29,653
Speaker 2: past three, Bagtory, surely.

1793
01:27:34,933 --> 01:27:38,293
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1794
01:27:38,372 --> 01:27:40,372
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk said.

1795
01:27:40,532 --> 01:27:42,892
Speaker 2: It is twenty three past three. We're talking about long

1796
01:27:42,893 --> 01:27:46,692
Speaker 2: distance relationships and marriages. Can they work? If you're in one,

1797
01:27:46,692 --> 01:27:47,452
Speaker 2: how is it working?

1798
01:27:47,652 --> 01:27:48,892
Speaker 3: How's this for a text here?

1799
01:27:48,973 --> 01:27:49,093
Speaker 8: Ah?

1800
01:27:49,372 --> 01:27:52,812
Speaker 3: I like the long distance relationship. Don't read out my

1801
01:27:52,893 --> 01:27:55,612
Speaker 3: name please all that's good that I read that. Yeah, both,

1802
01:27:56,213 --> 01:27:58,372
Speaker 3: But I am not the most faithful guy on planet Earth.

1803
01:27:58,412 --> 01:28:01,532
Speaker 3: Oh no, No, I'm on Tinder, hear and or Totahi.

1804
01:28:02,452 --> 01:28:04,532
Speaker 3: Not every week, but every month or so. I will

1805
01:28:04,732 --> 01:28:08,133
Speaker 3: hook up with a local. It's fine. She would not

1806
01:28:08,213 --> 01:28:10,732
Speaker 3: like to know it, though. I mean, I assume she

1807
01:28:11,213 --> 01:28:14,893
Speaker 3: is the partner back home, but it keeps me in

1808
01:28:14,933 --> 01:28:17,492
Speaker 3: the relationship when I see her. It's great back home

1809
01:28:17,532 --> 01:28:20,652
Speaker 3: and tommacky Makoto. But it's better because I am getting

1810
01:28:20,893 --> 01:28:24,293
Speaker 3: a little secret action in Autotahi too. It would be

1811
01:28:24,333 --> 01:28:27,093
Speaker 3: hard to live my life if I lived in our

1812
01:28:27,133 --> 01:28:30,013
Speaker 3: house all the time. See that you said, that's what

1813
01:28:30,053 --> 01:28:32,852
Speaker 3: that would be the suspicion, wouldn't it. If you're running

1814
01:28:32,853 --> 01:28:36,412
Speaker 3: a long distance relationship, is it? Are you the only

1815
01:28:36,452 --> 01:28:38,212
Speaker 3: person in their other person in their relationship.

1816
01:28:38,213 --> 01:28:41,412
Speaker 2: There's a couple of justification justifications that Texter tries to

1817
01:28:41,412 --> 01:28:43,012
Speaker 2: make and says, I only do it once a month,

1818
01:28:43,133 --> 01:28:45,973
Speaker 2: it's not every week, so it's okay. And I don't know.

1819
01:28:46,133 --> 01:28:48,093
Speaker 2: I don't know if it is okay to a text her.

1820
01:28:48,093 --> 01:28:50,652
Speaker 2: If your partner or a wife doesn't know about it, Yeah,

1821
01:28:50,692 --> 01:28:56,093
Speaker 2: Brad Jamison. One eight ten eighty is another to call

1822
01:28:56,133 --> 01:28:58,133
Speaker 2: if you're in a long distance relationship. How is it

1823
01:28:58,173 --> 01:29:00,932
Speaker 2: actually working out for you? Nine to two ninety two

1824
01:29:01,133 --> 01:29:02,293
Speaker 2: is the text as well.

1825
01:29:02,372 --> 01:29:04,492
Speaker 3: Hi, guys, I'm married a Filipino and she lives in

1826
01:29:04,492 --> 01:29:06,652
Speaker 3: the Philippines, and I work in New Zealand purely from

1827
01:29:06,692 --> 01:29:09,213
Speaker 3: a financial position, as the money here is fifty times

1828
01:29:09,213 --> 01:29:11,492
Speaker 3: better than what I could possibly earn working there. So

1829
01:29:11,532 --> 01:29:13,213
Speaker 3: I work here for eight months of the year and

1830
01:29:13,293 --> 01:29:15,692
Speaker 3: live over there for the balance of the year. And

1831
01:29:16,412 --> 01:29:20,053
Speaker 3: I think that probably happens quite a lot. I met

1832
01:29:20,053 --> 01:29:22,692
Speaker 3: a guy on a cruise ship. He was my Stewart Stuart,

1833
01:29:22,692 --> 01:29:26,293
Speaker 3: my porter anyway, Yep, name was Buddy. But yeah, he

1834
01:29:26,372 --> 01:29:29,253
Speaker 3: was away from his wife and kids from huge amounts

1835
01:29:29,253 --> 01:29:32,532
Speaker 3: of time, but you know, saving up so he could

1836
01:29:32,772 --> 01:29:34,053
Speaker 3: live back home in the Philippines.

1837
01:29:34,173 --> 01:29:36,532
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1838
01:29:36,612 --> 01:29:40,492
Speaker 2: number to call. Get a Gavin. I hear it on

1839
01:29:40,893 --> 01:29:43,212
Speaker 2: good Can you hear your story?

1840
01:29:43,612 --> 01:29:43,812
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1841
01:29:43,973 --> 01:29:47,892
Speaker 16: So, I'm just concerned about your statement. You know, love

1842
01:29:48,133 --> 01:29:51,932
Speaker 16: makes a heart grow fonder can't be true. I disagree

1843
01:29:51,933 --> 01:29:54,692
Speaker 16: with that. It absolutely can be true. And yeah, I

1844
01:29:54,732 --> 01:29:58,892
Speaker 16: think every soldier who's had a deployment. I've had a

1845
01:29:58,893 --> 01:30:01,612
Speaker 16: couple of sort of seven month deployments. I've also had

1846
01:30:01,612 --> 01:30:04,652
Speaker 16: a five month deployment. You know, there's a lot of

1847
01:30:04,692 --> 01:30:08,692
Speaker 16: other soldier, sailors, namen that have been deployed operational. Yeah,

1848
01:30:08,772 --> 01:30:11,732
Speaker 16: under the New Zealand flag that you know, we know

1849
01:30:12,372 --> 01:30:15,333
Speaker 16: that makes a distance. You know, this makes the heart

1850
01:30:15,372 --> 01:30:19,532
Speaker 16: growth fonder. And you know now that your whole concept

1851
01:30:19,572 --> 01:30:25,492
Speaker 16: of long term, long distance marriages. You know, I get

1852
01:30:25,532 --> 01:30:29,532
Speaker 16: that that's a that's a really oddful but yeah, I

1853
01:30:29,532 --> 01:30:32,652
Speaker 16: think you want to recant that that statement that you

1854
01:30:32,772 --> 01:30:35,932
Speaker 16: made that that this makes the heart growth fond. It

1855
01:30:35,933 --> 01:30:38,053
Speaker 16: can't be true, because it absolutely is.

1856
01:30:38,452 --> 01:30:41,532
Speaker 3: I never recant anything. But I'll tell you what online

1857
01:30:41,973 --> 01:30:45,812
Speaker 3: on social media, those those service people coming home to

1858
01:30:45,853 --> 01:30:48,452
Speaker 3: see their families. I watch that and it breaks my

1859
01:30:48,492 --> 01:30:52,532
Speaker 3: heart every time. You know, when when you know sneaking

1860
01:30:52,572 --> 01:30:55,572
Speaker 3: in and the partner or the child doesn't know that

1861
01:30:55,572 --> 01:30:59,933
Speaker 3: that the service persons coming home. That stuff is so

1862
01:30:59,933 --> 01:31:03,052
Speaker 3: so heartbreaking and and wholesome.

1863
01:31:05,013 --> 01:31:07,732
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean every every time your return for operation,

1864
01:31:08,612 --> 01:31:11,692
Speaker 16: even more so in recent times where you know, we

1865
01:31:11,853 --> 01:31:15,812
Speaker 16: mates haven't necessarily rich at home alive. Then it's you know,

1866
01:31:16,333 --> 01:31:17,612
Speaker 16: it's pretty special times.

1867
01:31:18,933 --> 01:31:21,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you do when you when you're away? Do

1868
01:31:21,692 --> 01:31:26,732
Speaker 3: you is it always possible to communicate regularly or do

1869
01:31:26,772 --> 01:31:28,973
Speaker 3: you sometimes get deployed where we can't even talk to

1870
01:31:29,013 --> 01:31:29,452
Speaker 3: the family.

1871
01:31:30,612 --> 01:31:33,293
Speaker 16: Well, it's different. I mean back in ninety five when

1872
01:31:33,333 --> 01:31:36,492
Speaker 16: I was in Bosnia, we've got to shoot a British

1873
01:31:36,572 --> 01:31:39,412
Speaker 16: telecom phone card once a month which allowed us attend

1874
01:31:39,412 --> 01:31:42,652
Speaker 16: minute phone call. Wow, you know, very different to roll

1875
01:31:42,692 --> 01:31:45,412
Speaker 16: on the two thousand moments and each timor and we

1876
01:31:45,492 --> 01:31:51,093
Speaker 16: had this thing called the Internet and fine, more frequent communications.

1877
01:31:51,093 --> 01:31:54,932
Speaker 16: So you know, it's it's it's all every circumstances different.

1878
01:31:54,973 --> 01:32:00,012
Speaker 16: There are some some operational banners where communication is extremely

1879
01:32:00,053 --> 01:32:05,893
Speaker 16: difficult or impossible for sometimes for operational reasons, and and

1880
01:32:05,973 --> 01:32:08,293
Speaker 16: there's times where it's it's a hell of bodies.

1881
01:32:08,692 --> 01:32:12,333
Speaker 3: So good is it when you come back? How and

1882
01:32:12,372 --> 01:32:14,572
Speaker 3: you've been away for quite some time, you come back

1883
01:32:14,612 --> 01:32:17,012
Speaker 3: and you're going to be stationed or you know, you're

1884
01:32:17,053 --> 01:32:20,412
Speaker 3: going to be with the family permanently. How hard is

1885
01:32:20,452 --> 01:32:23,293
Speaker 3: it to fit back into the routine Because I imagine the

1886
01:32:23,293 --> 01:32:26,933
Speaker 3: the you know, being being in the services. It's a

1887
01:32:27,013 --> 01:32:30,732
Speaker 3: very regimented situation. So how do you fit back into,

1888
01:32:31,053 --> 01:32:34,372
Speaker 3: you know, the the randomness of a family life when

1889
01:32:34,372 --> 01:32:34,892
Speaker 3: you get back.

1890
01:32:36,093 --> 01:32:37,452
Speaker 16: Yes, it's a really good question.

1891
01:32:37,652 --> 01:32:37,772
Speaker 7: You know.

1892
01:32:37,853 --> 01:32:40,973
Speaker 16: We we have what we call field psychologists in the

1893
01:32:40,973 --> 01:32:44,572
Speaker 16: military and they prepare both the service tresson and the

1894
01:32:44,612 --> 01:32:49,333
Speaker 16: families for the return home. Yeah, your first operations, your

1895
01:32:49,372 --> 01:32:50,932
Speaker 16: hard and stuff, so that you sort of know what

1896
01:32:51,013 --> 01:32:54,452
Speaker 16: to expect. But it's you know, you made the comment

1897
01:32:54,572 --> 01:32:57,852
Speaker 16: that that our cricket may eighty step forty knights at home,

1898
01:32:57,933 --> 01:33:00,892
Speaker 16: and yeah, sometimes when people have been away for a while,

1899
01:33:00,933 --> 01:33:03,772
Speaker 16: that's in up home. They're a bit of a bit

1900
01:33:03,812 --> 01:33:05,932
Speaker 16: of a newsance around the house because the whole family

1901
01:33:06,013 --> 01:33:08,053
Speaker 16: structure has changed, the family processes.

1902
01:33:09,173 --> 01:33:09,333
Speaker 4: You know.

1903
01:33:09,532 --> 01:33:14,692
Speaker 16: It's some Yeah, and I mean again if each time

1904
01:33:14,772 --> 01:33:17,812
Speaker 16: you do it, it becomes a little easier, but it's

1905
01:33:18,412 --> 01:33:20,973
Speaker 16: everyone sort of wants to be home anyhow. Yeah, they

1906
01:33:21,053 --> 01:33:23,612
Speaker 16: look forward to that getting home. So, yeah, I.

1907
01:33:23,572 --> 01:33:26,052
Speaker 3: Was talking to an international cricketer who had been touring

1908
01:33:26,053 --> 01:33:29,572
Speaker 3: for a very long time and he got home and

1909
01:33:29,612 --> 01:33:32,732
Speaker 3: he just threw all his clothes into the at the

1910
01:33:32,772 --> 01:33:35,812
Speaker 3: door because he was used to having you know, services

1911
01:33:35,812 --> 01:33:37,772
Speaker 3: come around and wash us close. Frohm and his wife

1912
01:33:37,812 --> 01:33:39,093
Speaker 3: was like, what what, what the hell?

1913
01:33:39,133 --> 01:33:39,572
Speaker 2: Are you doing?

1914
01:33:39,612 --> 01:33:40,612
Speaker 3: What are those doing there?

1915
01:33:41,612 --> 01:33:42,012
Speaker 7: Oh?

1916
01:33:42,093 --> 01:33:44,213
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. And then and then he was waiting

1917
01:33:44,253 --> 01:33:45,732
Speaker 3: for the bit of paper to be slipped under his

1918
01:33:45,772 --> 01:33:48,412
Speaker 3: door one morning He's just lying in beer going and

1919
01:33:49,093 --> 01:33:51,612
Speaker 3: ended up with sort of paralysis, is what to do?

1920
01:33:51,652 --> 01:33:53,492
Speaker 3: Because he was waiting for his tennery to be slipped

1921
01:33:53,532 --> 01:33:55,093
Speaker 3: under his door. And then no one was doing that

1922
01:33:55,173 --> 01:33:58,852
Speaker 3: for you. Yeah, hey, thank you so much for cold, Gavin.

1923
01:33:59,412 --> 01:34:03,092
Speaker 3: Well your proof that absence can make the heart grow stronger.

1924
01:34:03,093 --> 01:34:04,253
Speaker 3: Good on you, Gavin, Thanks for you cool.

1925
01:34:04,333 --> 01:34:06,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much. Can you hear your story? Oh,

1926
01:34:06,412 --> 01:34:08,173
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you were living

1927
01:34:08,213 --> 01:34:11,173
Speaker 2: in a long distance relationship or marriage, how is it working?

1928
01:34:11,213 --> 01:34:13,812
Speaker 2: Are you like Gavin? If you're a soldier or you're

1929
01:34:13,853 --> 01:34:16,173
Speaker 2: away four months at a time, how does it all

1930
01:34:16,213 --> 01:34:17,892
Speaker 2: work out? Nine nine two is a text.

1931
01:34:18,013 --> 01:34:20,892
Speaker 3: Well the sixes. Absence may make the heart grow fonder,

1932
01:34:20,893 --> 01:34:24,052
Speaker 3: but too much absence makes the fond heart wander.

1933
01:34:24,133 --> 01:34:26,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is that as well. Headlines with Raylenk coming.

1934
01:34:26,612 --> 01:34:32,173
Speaker 12: Up, You's talk said be headlines with your Ride New

1935
01:34:32,253 --> 01:34:36,293
Speaker 12: Zealand's number one taxi app. Download your Ride today. The

1936
01:34:36,372 --> 01:34:41,213
Speaker 12: Children's Commissioner says it's unacceptable. Child poverty hasn't reduced since

1937
01:34:41,333 --> 01:34:45,372
Speaker 12: mid twenty twenty four. Data also shows material hardship for

1938
01:34:45,452 --> 01:34:49,652
Speaker 12: children is trending upwards. The government's patting itself on the

1939
01:34:49,692 --> 01:34:52,973
Speaker 12: back over stat showing forty nine thousand fewer victims of

1940
01:34:53,053 --> 01:34:56,253
Speaker 12: violent crime in the year to last October than the

1941
01:34:56,293 --> 01:35:00,852
Speaker 12: preceding two years. Police are raising grave concerns about drivers

1942
01:35:00,893 --> 01:35:05,893
Speaker 12: huffing nitrous oxide or nangs increasingly being a factor in crashes.

1943
01:35:06,893 --> 01:35:10,732
Speaker 12: A pedestrian hit by truck and Faraday this morning has died.

1944
01:35:11,253 --> 01:35:15,213
Speaker 12: Carmel Road is still closed between Mains Avenue and Simon Street.

1945
01:35:16,213 --> 01:35:19,852
Speaker 12: The sixty seven kilometre countryside trail in South Canterbury's Way

1946
01:35:19,893 --> 01:35:23,253
Speaker 12: Marte is getting two hundred thousand dollars from the Major

1947
01:35:23,293 --> 01:35:27,172
Speaker 12: Events and Tourism Package to complete the thirteen kilometre stretch.

1948
01:35:27,452 --> 01:35:31,692
Speaker 12: Twai ho fawks and a spokesperson's confirmed former Prime minis

1949
01:35:31,772 --> 01:35:34,813
Speaker 12: to danger Cinderadun is now living in Australia.

1950
01:35:35,772 --> 01:35:37,732
Speaker 13: Andrew Mark batten Winsor's.

1951
01:35:37,412 --> 01:35:40,932
Speaker 12: Arrest shows rule of law still strong, but there are

1952
01:35:40,973 --> 01:35:41,692
Speaker 12: weak points.

1953
01:35:41,893 --> 01:35:44,652
Speaker 13: Read the full column at enzid Herald Premium. Back to

1954
01:35:44,652 --> 01:35:46,452
Speaker 13: Matteath and Tyner Adams.

1955
01:35:46,013 --> 01:35:48,333
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It's twenty six to four

1956
01:35:48,372 --> 01:35:51,812
Speaker 2: and we're talking about long distance marriages and relationships. Can

1957
01:35:51,853 --> 01:35:54,333
Speaker 2: they actually work if you're in one? How is it

1958
01:35:54,372 --> 01:35:56,372
Speaker 2: working for you? Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty set number

1959
01:35:56,412 --> 01:35:57,173
Speaker 2: to call hey.

1960
01:35:57,013 --> 01:35:58,612
Speaker 3: Before I read out this text, and it was about

1961
01:35:58,612 --> 01:36:01,892
Speaker 3: a long distance relationship that someone was having in christ

1962
01:36:02,013 --> 01:36:08,372
Speaker 3: Church or Toatahi, and and he was saying that he

1963
01:36:08,412 --> 01:36:10,412
Speaker 3: sort of he's on the tinder a bit down the

1964
01:36:10,412 --> 01:36:12,692
Speaker 3: air a little bit, and he prefers to live in

1965
01:36:12,692 --> 01:36:14,333
Speaker 3: a different town because he didn't think because he'd be

1966
01:36:14,333 --> 01:36:16,133
Speaker 3: able to get away with it in Auklund, and that

1967
01:36:16,213 --> 01:36:18,333
Speaker 3: he had asked me not to read his name out then,

1968
01:36:18,692 --> 01:36:21,652
Speaker 3: so this text a is said, and I said, okay,

1969
01:36:21,652 --> 01:36:25,013
Speaker 3: Brad Jemson, and the six says, I cannot believe you

1970
01:36:25,053 --> 01:36:27,692
Speaker 3: gave out that man's name. You may be morally wrong

1971
01:36:27,692 --> 01:36:29,852
Speaker 3: in your opinion, but he asked you not to reveal

1972
01:36:29,853 --> 01:36:31,612
Speaker 3: his name, and then you did. You may have ruined

1973
01:36:31,652 --> 01:36:34,452
Speaker 3: a relationship. Shame on you. I made up that name

1974
01:36:34,452 --> 01:36:35,093
Speaker 3: that wasn't his name.

1975
01:36:35,133 --> 01:36:37,252
Speaker 2: It was very quick, by the way, Yeah, Brad Jamison,

1976
01:36:37,452 --> 01:36:39,333
Speaker 2: because we were talking about alcohol in the previous hour

1977
01:36:39,492 --> 01:36:42,452
Speaker 2: and you were just think Jamison, Rad's a pretty common

1978
01:36:42,452 --> 01:36:44,412
Speaker 2: first name, and then Jamerson. Yeah, that works.

1979
01:36:44,492 --> 01:36:46,492
Speaker 3: I thought it would be funny to just say that,

1980
01:36:46,652 --> 01:36:49,133
Speaker 3: but that wasn't actually his name. But normally when I

1981
01:36:49,173 --> 01:36:51,732
Speaker 3: make up a name, I ended up making that mistake

1982
01:36:51,772 --> 01:36:54,733
Speaker 3: of going, you know, Phil Phillips or Glenn Glenn's.

1983
01:36:54,812 --> 01:36:56,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you mixed it up. This time it was

1984
01:36:56,933 --> 01:37:00,452
Speaker 2: very believable. It sounded yeah, yeah, Denise, how are you

1985
01:37:00,492 --> 01:37:03,732
Speaker 2: this afternoon? Thank you, nice to chat with you. So

1986
01:37:03,812 --> 01:37:07,653
Speaker 2: you had a long distance relationship for fifteen years.

1987
01:37:08,372 --> 01:37:09,852
Speaker 19: Yes, yep, we'll tell.

1988
01:37:09,812 --> 01:37:10,293
Speaker 2: Us about it.

1989
01:37:12,492 --> 01:37:16,412
Speaker 19: Well, it was my husband stayed home in New Zealand.

1990
01:37:17,532 --> 01:37:20,612
Speaker 19: I was working overseas with the UN and with some

1991
01:37:20,652 --> 01:37:25,732
Speaker 19: aid agencies, and it was after our children had left home.

1992
01:37:26,333 --> 01:37:29,932
Speaker 19: And yeah, no, it worked well. I think I probably

1993
01:37:29,973 --> 01:37:33,173
Speaker 19: spoke to him more in depth. From over there was

1994
01:37:33,213 --> 01:37:37,412
Speaker 19: FaceTime and the internet. And when you're actually at home

1995
01:37:37,452 --> 01:37:38,653
Speaker 19: and both working.

1996
01:37:38,893 --> 01:37:42,772
Speaker 3: How long What sort of lengths stints were you apart? Denise?

1997
01:37:44,333 --> 01:37:47,052
Speaker 19: Oh, some of them were twelve months, and then I'd

1998
01:37:47,093 --> 01:37:49,932
Speaker 19: be home for a month. Sometimes he would come over.

1999
01:37:51,372 --> 01:37:54,013
Speaker 19: He came over to Haiti when I was working there

2000
01:37:54,053 --> 01:37:59,372
Speaker 19: after the earthquake. Wow, and a couple of other places,

2001
01:38:00,692 --> 01:38:03,293
Speaker 19: usually six to eight months, back for a couple of months,

2002
01:38:03,293 --> 01:38:07,333
Speaker 19: and then the last couple of years I was just

2003
01:38:07,412 --> 01:38:13,972
Speaker 19: running training in different African and Middle East countries and

2004
01:38:14,093 --> 01:38:16,932
Speaker 19: so it would be maybe three or four months home

2005
01:38:16,973 --> 01:38:18,173
Speaker 19: for two Yeah.

2006
01:38:18,213 --> 01:38:21,772
Speaker 3: Wow, what an incredible life you lead, Denise, I mean

2007
01:38:22,452 --> 01:38:25,092
Speaker 3: Haiti after those earthquakes, there must have been a challenging

2008
01:38:25,173 --> 01:38:26,612
Speaker 3: environment for to work in.

2009
01:38:27,692 --> 01:38:28,213
Speaker 19: Sure was.

2010
01:38:29,372 --> 01:38:29,572
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2011
01:38:30,173 --> 01:38:33,133
Speaker 19: Maybe the number of kiwis over there though, working in

2012
01:38:33,173 --> 01:38:33,892
Speaker 19: the same field.

2013
01:38:33,973 --> 01:38:36,372
Speaker 2: So yeah, right, all working with the UN or different

2014
01:38:36,412 --> 01:38:39,333
Speaker 2: organizations different Haiti.

2015
01:38:39,412 --> 01:38:42,652
Speaker 19: I was working for the New Zealand Red Cross, then

2016
01:38:43,973 --> 01:38:50,173
Speaker 19: other ones. I was working for the UN. Yeah, and.

2017
01:38:50,572 --> 01:38:52,773
Speaker 3: It's an interesting one. So was he spending his holidays

2018
01:38:52,933 --> 01:38:55,492
Speaker 3: over wherever you happen to be deployed?

2019
01:38:56,812 --> 01:38:58,932
Speaker 19: Yeah, some of the places he couldn't come to because

2020
01:38:58,933 --> 01:39:02,213
Speaker 19: you couldn't get rich, you know, like Somalia or Sudan

2021
01:39:02,372 --> 01:39:04,773
Speaker 19: or any of those places you can't get into.

2022
01:39:05,933 --> 01:39:08,053
Speaker 3: You must be quite a gutsy person. It sounds like

2023
01:39:08,093 --> 01:39:12,293
Speaker 3: you're going to places where there are real security issues.

2024
01:39:13,412 --> 01:39:15,253
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, they were.

2025
01:39:16,732 --> 01:39:20,012
Speaker 3: So you just you just sort of a brave person,

2026
01:39:20,293 --> 01:39:24,092
Speaker 3: or you believe in your cause such that you accept

2027
01:39:24,093 --> 01:39:29,492
Speaker 3: the risks. I.

2028
01:39:30,133 --> 01:39:32,732
Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm a security background, so.

2029
01:39:33,253 --> 01:39:38,052
Speaker 2: Job was ike, Wow, protecting other people?

2030
01:39:38,093 --> 01:39:41,572
Speaker 3: Denise, you are the security right safe hands.

2031
01:39:41,612 --> 01:39:44,372
Speaker 2: Yeah. So just speak to the long term relationship quickly.

2032
01:39:44,412 --> 01:39:45,892
Speaker 2: And I think you make a fear point that if

2033
01:39:45,933 --> 01:39:47,932
Speaker 2: you are long distance and you have those catch ups

2034
01:39:47,933 --> 01:39:50,732
Speaker 2: on FaceTime, you can get even deeper conversations than if

2035
01:39:50,732 --> 01:39:54,012
Speaker 2: you're living together full time. But we're there, we're there

2036
01:39:54,013 --> 01:39:56,372
Speaker 2: moments where you had that conversation to say, man, this

2037
01:39:56,412 --> 01:39:59,053
Speaker 2: is hard. You know, maybe we should think about you know,

2038
01:39:59,133 --> 01:40:02,133
Speaker 2: I come back and we we start living together again.

2039
01:40:02,293 --> 01:40:04,412
Speaker 2: Was there any of those times during the fifteen years?

2040
01:40:05,692 --> 01:40:05,892
Speaker 8: No?

2041
01:40:05,973 --> 01:40:06,693
Speaker 19: Not really.

2042
01:40:08,772 --> 01:40:11,092
Speaker 2: Fair enough to it sounds like you had it nailed.

2043
01:40:11,133 --> 01:40:13,532
Speaker 3: He was he wasn't worried you'd run off for the Haitian.

2044
01:40:15,812 --> 01:40:19,612
Speaker 19: No, no, not at all. No, I mean we've been

2045
01:40:19,612 --> 01:40:21,052
Speaker 19: married fifty years this year.

2046
01:40:21,173 --> 01:40:24,133
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yes, pretty seriou it's getting pretty serious. Then

2047
01:40:26,732 --> 01:40:29,532
Speaker 3: you're going steady. Thanks for your called Denise.

2048
01:40:29,612 --> 01:40:30,532
Speaker 2: What an incredible woman.

2049
01:40:30,652 --> 01:40:33,892
Speaker 3: Security ran off with the Somalian pirate can happen?

2050
01:40:34,053 --> 01:40:36,213
Speaker 2: Don't miss with Denise. So one hundred and eighty ten

2051
01:40:36,372 --> 01:40:38,452
Speaker 2: Acy is that number to call if you've been in

2052
01:40:38,492 --> 01:40:41,133
Speaker 2: a long term relationship, marriage to how did it work out?

2053
01:40:41,173 --> 01:40:43,012
Speaker 2: Do you like Denise? Was it all pretty easy?

2054
01:40:43,013 --> 01:40:43,293
Speaker 8: And it was?

2055
01:40:43,333 --> 01:40:46,572
Speaker 2: Actually you had deeper conversations because you are living a

2056
01:40:46,612 --> 01:40:49,253
Speaker 2: part or did it all end in tears? Nine to

2057
01:40:49,412 --> 01:40:51,372
Speaker 2: nine to two is that text as well? We'll get

2058
01:40:51,372 --> 01:40:53,293
Speaker 2: to a few of those very shortly. It is twenty

2059
01:40:53,412 --> 01:40:54,172
Speaker 2: wonder four.

2060
01:40:56,133 --> 01:40:59,053
Speaker 1: Matt and Tyler with you as your afternoon rolls on

2061
01:40:59,412 --> 01:41:03,053
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons with GOODA. Can you crack

2062
01:41:03,133 --> 01:41:06,412
Speaker 1: the code? Please go to codes every day newstalks 'b.

2063
01:41:07,173 --> 01:41:09,852
Speaker 2: News Talks there B It is eighteen to form. We

2064
01:41:09,893 --> 01:41:13,452
Speaker 2: are talking about long distance relationships and marriages. If you've

2065
01:41:13,452 --> 01:41:14,892
Speaker 2: been in one, how did it work out for you?

2066
01:41:15,053 --> 01:41:17,973
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

2067
01:41:18,572 --> 01:41:21,892
Speaker 2: Steve Nice to have a check mate? Can you an

2068
01:41:21,933 --> 01:41:22,372
Speaker 2: your story?

2069
01:41:23,492 --> 01:41:23,852
Speaker 20: Okay?

2070
01:41:24,692 --> 01:41:28,852
Speaker 5: I've had three long distance relationships in my life. First

2071
01:41:28,853 --> 01:41:31,013
Speaker 5: one was when I met I was seventeen and I

2072
01:41:31,013 --> 01:41:35,613
Speaker 5: met a girl in the school's uniform. We became friends

2073
01:41:35,732 --> 01:41:39,572
Speaker 5: and we were going out for about a year. That's

2074
01:41:39,612 --> 01:41:43,692
Speaker 5: what they called it back then, going out, Sorry, going

2075
01:41:43,812 --> 01:41:47,173
Speaker 5: round You went round for someone? Yeah, yeah, So we

2076
01:41:47,213 --> 01:41:50,253
Speaker 5: went round for about a year. Then her family moved

2077
01:41:50,253 --> 01:41:53,092
Speaker 5: to Auckland and I was off for the work transfer

2078
01:41:53,253 --> 01:41:57,333
Speaker 5: to christ Church, which I took to impress her parents

2079
01:41:57,372 --> 01:41:58,972
Speaker 5: because I was playing the long game.

2080
01:41:59,412 --> 01:41:59,732
Speaker 3: Nice.

2081
01:42:00,732 --> 01:42:04,692
Speaker 5: Two years later I moved from Christians to Auckland. We wrote,

2082
01:42:05,412 --> 01:42:08,772
Speaker 5: you know during all that time, although I met up

2083
01:42:08,772 --> 01:42:10,812
Speaker 5: a couple of times in the two years. But then

2084
01:42:10,853 --> 01:42:14,852
Speaker 5: I moved to Auckland. Then we moved out, she moved

2085
01:42:14,893 --> 01:42:17,572
Speaker 5: out of her parentsly together for three years, then that

2086
01:42:17,772 --> 01:42:24,612
Speaker 5: broke up. She moved to the Gold Coast and married someone.

2087
01:42:24,853 --> 01:42:27,812
Speaker 5: I moved to Sydney, but then returned back to New

2088
01:42:27,893 --> 01:42:31,812
Speaker 5: Zealand and married someone. Twenty seven years later. I was

2089
01:42:31,812 --> 01:42:36,772
Speaker 5: in a library in Sydney, at the Quary Library, and

2090
01:42:36,812 --> 01:42:40,372
Speaker 5: I was looking up microfish records and electoral roles. So

2091
01:42:40,452 --> 01:42:43,892
Speaker 5: I wondered whatever became of her, So I tracked her down,

2092
01:42:44,293 --> 01:42:48,372
Speaker 5: rang her short stories. I was in Sydney, she was

2093
01:42:48,372 --> 01:42:51,213
Speaker 5: still on the Gold Coast. We became friends for six months,

2094
01:42:51,572 --> 01:42:55,972
Speaker 5: then toppled into romance again, you know, with the interruption

2095
01:42:56,133 --> 01:43:00,812
Speaker 5: of twenty seven years and we were together for ten years.

2096
01:43:00,853 --> 01:43:03,972
Speaker 5: But during that time I moved from the Gold Sorry

2097
01:43:04,013 --> 01:43:06,812
Speaker 5: from Sydney to the Gold Coast, to be with her,

2098
01:43:08,093 --> 01:43:12,093
Speaker 5: and two thousand and nine we broke up, realizing that

2099
01:43:12,093 --> 01:43:16,093
Speaker 5: we've given it two good cracks and romance wasn't for us.

2100
01:43:16,133 --> 01:43:21,213
Speaker 5: But we've remained both friends ever since. And I met

2101
01:43:21,253 --> 01:43:24,532
Speaker 5: a girl on Whine who was in Melbourne. So we

2102
01:43:24,572 --> 01:43:28,293
Speaker 5: did long distance for a while, about a year, and

2103
01:43:28,333 --> 01:43:31,253
Speaker 5: then I moved to Melbourne and we were together for

2104
01:43:31,333 --> 01:43:36,092
Speaker 5: six years and that broke so long distance my summary

2105
01:43:36,133 --> 01:43:39,652
Speaker 5: would be long distance does work. I mean it kept

2106
01:43:39,692 --> 01:43:45,532
Speaker 5: me interested enough to move three times, but I was

2107
01:43:45,572 --> 01:43:50,852
Speaker 5: motivated to move. The only problem with it is there's

2108
01:43:50,853 --> 01:43:53,812
Speaker 5: an element, there's the whole trust thing, yea, and there's

2109
01:43:53,853 --> 01:43:58,732
Speaker 5: also the cost of flying back and forth. But in

2110
01:43:58,812 --> 01:44:02,412
Speaker 5: the right circumstance and with the right attitude, that can work.

2111
01:44:02,492 --> 01:44:06,612
Speaker 5: But not you know, if I'm talking romance rather than

2112
01:44:06,612 --> 01:44:08,732
Speaker 5: a marriage, I would say, in a romance just have

2113
01:44:08,933 --> 01:44:10,013
Speaker 5: worked for years.

2114
01:44:10,213 --> 01:44:13,293
Speaker 2: Years, certainly convoluted. I've got to say, Steve, you're a

2115
01:44:13,293 --> 01:44:15,732
Speaker 2: sucker for the long distance relationship. But the last one

2116
01:44:15,812 --> 01:44:17,732
Speaker 2: that it worked out in the end, that the final

2117
01:44:17,772 --> 01:44:19,973
Speaker 2: one was three times a charm.

2118
01:44:20,412 --> 01:44:24,692
Speaker 5: No, that didn't. That one didn't, Okay, that was when

2119
01:44:24,732 --> 01:44:28,293
Speaker 5: I moved Gold Coast to Melbourne. That lasted six years

2120
01:44:28,853 --> 01:44:32,452
Speaker 5: and now I find myself back here, came back in

2121
01:44:32,492 --> 01:44:35,532
Speaker 5: twenty fifteen and actual now.

2122
01:44:37,173 --> 01:44:39,253
Speaker 3: But you're a bachelor now, but you're looking for someone

2123
01:44:39,412 --> 01:44:41,012
Speaker 3: in a different area to date.

2124
01:44:42,173 --> 01:44:44,093
Speaker 16: Ah, well pull it this way.

2125
01:44:44,572 --> 01:44:47,372
Speaker 5: I'm done with the longest moving around.

2126
01:44:48,732 --> 01:44:51,372
Speaker 2: No good on you, Steve, Thank you very much. That's

2127
01:44:51,652 --> 01:44:53,132
Speaker 2: hell of a lot of experience there.

2128
01:44:53,133 --> 01:44:54,652
Speaker 3: Just getting a bit of paper out to work out

2129
01:44:54,853 --> 01:44:58,452
Speaker 3: what was going on there. This Texas says, because before

2130
01:44:58,532 --> 01:45:01,772
Speaker 3: I this text says, Hi, I'm Brad Jamison. You have

2131
01:45:02,333 --> 01:45:05,013
Speaker 3: besmirched my name. I used toll love the show. Now

2132
01:45:05,093 --> 01:45:07,692
Speaker 3: my missus thinks I'm on Tinder having said that we

2133
01:45:07,692 --> 01:45:09,652
Speaker 3: live in fun so I should be okay.

2134
01:45:09,492 --> 01:45:10,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're safe.

2135
01:45:10,133 --> 01:45:12,173
Speaker 3: And this person says, it's all very well. You making

2136
01:45:12,173 --> 01:45:14,893
Speaker 3: a joke about a Brad Jameson having an affair, but

2137
01:45:14,973 --> 01:45:17,413
Speaker 3: it's a common name. There might be a Brad Jamison

2138
01:45:17,452 --> 01:45:20,532
Speaker 3: with a partner in Auckland who is currently in christ Church.

2139
01:45:20,893 --> 01:45:25,772
Speaker 3: Now you have still ruined a relationship, so it's highly irresponsible. Well,

2140
01:45:25,853 --> 01:45:29,292
Speaker 3: but I mean, if we're making up situations here, maybe

2141
01:45:29,612 --> 01:45:33,013
Speaker 3: potentially there's a real Brad Jamison who is having an

2142
01:45:33,053 --> 01:45:36,012
Speaker 3: affair in christ church and all I've done is help out.

2143
01:45:36,253 --> 01:45:37,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so.

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Speaker 3: Many Brad Jamison situations. Look, I made up the name

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Speaker 3: Brad Jamison because the person said not to use their

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Speaker 3: real name. Okay, so Brad Jamison's out there, or if

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Speaker 3: you're dating a Brad Jamison, then I have no information

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Speaker 3: on what Brad Jamison's are up to.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you could have gone Tony Smith and that would

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Speaker 2: have been way worse, Rob kiddo, Mate, you want to

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Speaker 2: talk about your long term relationship long distance rather?

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Speaker 16: It was actually my first year at my marriage, just

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01:46:05,933 --> 01:46:10,173
Speaker 16: got married on for a part of the honeymoon, go

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Speaker 16: back to England, no job, got a job after Christmas

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Speaker 16: and O six it was in Germany, in near Dusseldorf,

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01:46:21,772 --> 01:46:26,892
Speaker 16: and so every week my wife would be dropping me

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01:46:26,933 --> 01:46:30,492
Speaker 16: off Monday morning to get the play from Heathrow to

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Speaker 16: Dusseldorff and every Friday you collect me. And we did

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Speaker 16: that for a whole year until we eventually when she

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Speaker 16: moved to Germany as well.

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Speaker 2: Sounds exhausting, wrong for you, so you were you were

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01:46:43,612 --> 01:46:45,013
Speaker 2: there for a week and then you come on.

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01:46:46,492 --> 01:46:52,173
Speaker 16: Yeah, for a week's work. It was exhausting, but you

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Speaker 16: you also got absolutely fed up with being at airports

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Speaker 16: and flying.

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Speaker 2: You would have got some sweet airports though, imagine.

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Speaker 16: Rock We did, yeah, eventually use those with my parents

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Speaker 16: to fly to the UK when our sun was born,

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Speaker 16: but it made that easier. But it's one of those

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Speaker 16: things weren't needed. And there were actually a tick of

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Speaker 16: a lot of people who were doing the same trip

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Speaker 16: and we meet up on Monday morning for breakfast before

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01:47:30,492 --> 01:47:33,173
Speaker 16: we got on the plane, and then every Friday night

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Speaker 16: we'd meet up at the bar at the airside a

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Speaker 16: Dusseldorf airport before we flew back to London.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like a crazy lifestyle to me, Rob, but it

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Speaker 2: seems to have worked out for you. I mean, did

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Speaker 2: a get lonely for you having to do that that

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Speaker 2: you're you know, on the other side of the world

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Speaker 2: for a week before you get to come come back

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Speaker 2: for a couple of days.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, you were lonely. Thankfully by then we had the

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Speaker 16: mobile telephone to sort of catch up every week. But

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Speaker 16: you know, there were people there, like my two managers

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01:48:09,532 --> 01:48:15,293
Speaker 16: in Germany. One was a Scotsman that he would make

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01:48:15,372 --> 01:48:20,532
Speaker 16: a real dog leg trip to get from Aberdeen Todorf

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01:48:21,053 --> 01:48:25,533
Speaker 16: every week, and the second one manager was from Lancashire

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01:48:26,053 --> 01:48:31,252
Speaker 16: and the guy from Macershire reckon that the long distance

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01:48:31,973 --> 01:48:36,732
Speaker 16: relationship work thing kept his marriage alive. I don't know how,

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01:48:36,893 --> 01:48:43,652
Speaker 16: but in the end it wasn't for us so and

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01:48:43,853 --> 01:48:50,173
Speaker 16: eventually we ended up after the financial crisis and we

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01:48:50,333 --> 01:48:53,412
Speaker 16: ended up coming back coming back out to New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Rob, thank you, yeah, I mean glad it all worked out,

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01:48:57,492 --> 01:48:59,532
Speaker 2: but thank you very much for your call. But yeah,

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01:48:59,612 --> 01:49:01,772
Speaker 2: a week on in Germany and then come back for

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Speaker 2: two days in New Zealand before you fly out again.

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Speaker 2: That's a hell of a life. Thank you very much too,

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01:49:08,213 --> 01:49:10,092
Speaker 2: is the text. We just got to play some messages,

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Speaker 2: but we'll be back very shortly. It is ten to four.

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01:49:13,532 --> 01:49:17,013
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 7: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be news talks there. But it is seven to four.

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01:49:25,253 --> 01:49:27,932
Speaker 2: A few texts coming through on nine, so nine.

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01:49:27,933 --> 01:49:30,173
Speaker 3: So I think you might have missed the gist of

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01:49:30,173 --> 01:49:30,892
Speaker 3: that call, Taylor.

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01:49:31,333 --> 01:49:31,932
Speaker 2: I think I did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a couple he was commuting from Heathrow to Disseldorf,

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Speaker 3: not from New Zealand. Yeah, that would be difficult every week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I completely missed the point there.

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01:49:40,772 --> 01:49:43,172
Speaker 3: Was going back to New Zealand every week. Back from Heathrow.

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Speaker 3: I think he said, good to clarify that, Tyler. Do

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01:49:45,893 --> 01:49:47,812
Speaker 3: you even listen to these callers? It's funny how you're

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01:49:47,812 --> 01:49:48,532
Speaker 3: getting blamed for it.

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01:49:49,133 --> 01:49:51,692
Speaker 2: Thank you for keeping me honest. Really appreciate it. A

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01:49:51,772 --> 01:49:54,372
Speaker 2: couple of texts to finish this one up again. Ay, guys,

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01:49:54,372 --> 01:49:57,052
Speaker 2: My twenty year marriage was great till my husband decided

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01:49:57,053 --> 01:50:00,013
Speaker 2: to give up long haul and be home every night.

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Speaker 3: Croaky.

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01:50:00,452 --> 01:50:03,852
Speaker 2: I wanted to suffocate him. Love the show this one, gents.

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01:50:03,933 --> 01:50:06,933
Speaker 2: My wife had a job overseas for three years in

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01:50:06,973 --> 01:50:10,692
Speaker 2: two thousand and two. Of our then children, two and

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01:50:10,692 --> 01:50:12,852
Speaker 2: twelve years old lived overseas for three years. It's a

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01:50:12,973 --> 01:50:16,213
Speaker 2: costly exercise. The kids learned new cultures. Been married for

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01:50:16,213 --> 01:50:19,293
Speaker 2: forty years now. People who breach trust in relationships will

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01:50:19,293 --> 01:50:22,972
Speaker 2: always breach that trust, no matter what the circumstances. Agreed,

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01:50:23,333 --> 01:50:25,852
Speaker 2: the distance makes the heart grow fonder and this is

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Speaker 2: a nice one. Hi, Matt, this is missus Jamison. Thank

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01:50:28,732 --> 01:50:31,253
Speaker 2: you for helping vet this information out. Sounds like I

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01:50:31,293 --> 01:50:33,492
Speaker 2: need to get this dirty dog back under my thumb ah.

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01:50:33,572 --> 01:50:37,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this text here, Yeah, Brad Jamison is my husband.

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01:50:38,732 --> 01:50:40,333
Speaker 3: I've kicked them to the curb. So thank you for

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01:50:40,333 --> 01:50:40,812
Speaker 3: that information.

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01:50:41,013 --> 01:50:42,052
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've done some good today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's good. Okay, I think we'll end this

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Speaker 3: show there, shall we? Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 3: Everyone very much enjoyed the conversations today. It's been a

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01:50:51,612 --> 01:50:54,452
Speaker 3: great old time. Speaking of great, the great and powerful.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplessy Allen is up next and she has in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand CEO Nicole Ravi Shanka in with her to

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01:51:01,013 --> 01:51:05,932
Speaker 3: discuss the national carriers concerning financial situation. Only an idiot

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01:51:05,933 --> 01:51:09,333
Speaker 3: would miss that, So stay tuned, Tyler and I will

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01:51:09,333 --> 01:51:13,173
Speaker 3: be back tomorrow live from twelve pm. So tune and

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01:51:13,293 --> 01:51:17,133
Speaker 3: ringing then. But right now, Tyler, my good buddy, Why

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01:51:17,133 --> 01:51:19,532
Speaker 3: am I playing this catchy little number from Billy Joel?

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01:51:19,732 --> 01:51:22,652
Speaker 2: What tune this is? I'm going to take a stab

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01:51:22,692 --> 01:51:23,372
Speaker 2: in the dark here?

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01:51:23,853 --> 01:51:24,013
Speaker 12: Is this?

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01:51:24,133 --> 01:51:27,012
Speaker 2: Because we were talking about taking the excise off Booze

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Speaker 2: at hospitality and I don't actually really know what the

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01:51:29,812 --> 01:51:31,892
Speaker 2: song is about, but some of the lyrics is they

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01:51:31,933 --> 01:51:34,173
Speaker 2: shuffle in at nine o'clock on a Saturday? Is it

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01:51:34,293 --> 01:51:35,573
Speaker 2: that feel of the community.

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01:51:35,812 --> 01:51:39,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's people, you know, with all the money that

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Speaker 3: the hospitality in New Zealand's having to pay an excised text,

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01:51:42,133 --> 01:51:44,692
Speaker 3: they've got no money to hire a piano mean anymore.

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Speaker 2: Tenuous?

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Speaker 3: All right, as I say, thank you so much for listening,

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01:51:51,053 --> 01:51:53,452
Speaker 3: see tomorrow. Until then, give him a taste a kiwi

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Speaker 3: from us, Love you.

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Speaker 13: Worry, that's close.

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01:52:11,173 --> 01:52:15,772
Speaker 2: Sing us a song the other piano man, sing us

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01:52:15,933 --> 01:52:20,733
Speaker 2: a song tonight when we're roll in the mood.

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01:52:20,652 --> 01:52:26,093
Speaker 10: Fall melody and you've got us filling alright.

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Speaker 13: Now, John at the bar is a friend of mine.

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01:52:45,452 --> 01:52:49,772
Speaker 2: He gets me my bricks a breeze, and he's.

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01:52:49,692 --> 01:52:52,692
Speaker 3: Quick with a joke or the light of your smoke.

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01:52:53,213 --> 01:52:55,532
Speaker 13: But there's some place that he'd rather.

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01:52:59,053 --> 01:53:02,412
Speaker 3: He says bilively, this is killing.

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01:53:02,133 --> 01:53:06,333
Speaker 19: Me, has a smile run away from his face.

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Speaker 3: What I'm shure.

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