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Speaker 1: Barry Sooper, Senior political correspondence with us I.

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Speaker 2: Barry, Good afternoon, Heather, So what did you make of.

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Speaker 1: The revelation that it's not just all ang A Tamariki

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Speaker 1: offering cultural or leave to only Maori stuff no one else.

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Speaker 1: But now it turns out a whole bunch of other

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Speaker 1: agencies as well.

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Speaker 2: There are other agencies and now no doubt the government

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Speaker 2: will be setting up and taking some notice. I mean

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Speaker 2: it was current Chure, the Minister of Children, who realize

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Speaker 2: who revealed that I rung A Tamriki gives culture or leave.

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Speaker 2: Now I tried to find out how long this leave

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Speaker 2: is available for. It's uncapped. So you know, if you're

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Speaker 2: Maudi and you say you want to go to Kapahaka,

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Speaker 2: if you want to go to Matatini performances, you want

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Speaker 2: to go to Murrai meetings, you can take time off

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Speaker 2: paid leave. It's available to nobody else and.

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Speaker 3: Clearly limited as well.

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Speaker 2: While it was negotiated apparently by the Public Service and

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Speaker 2: Association in twenty twenty three, which of course was the

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Speaker 2: last year of the labor labor only government, the clause

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Speaker 2: provides that all Maori members with access to pay discretionary

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Speaker 2: leave for the purposes of cultural obligations. That's what it says.

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Speaker 2: Now under the Holidays Act there's no separately provided for MALDI.

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Speaker 2: But nevertheless, the PSA has been able to negotiate with

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Speaker 2: individual departments and of course public servants aren't that keen

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Speaker 2: on this, particularly government because they've taken a bit of

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Speaker 2: a stick to them. But yeah, it seems that doc

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Speaker 2: the Environment ministries they offered it. They do offer it

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Speaker 2: and there's agreements in place. Maybe that's why the Maori

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Speaker 2: Party don't turn up to Parliament as regularly as they should,

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Speaker 2: so it extends to that as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, okay, just a very quick question on this,

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Speaker 1: do you think that this government can get away with

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Speaker 1: doing the whole I didn't know about it thing? When

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Speaker 1: I mean when they've been there for what two years

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Speaker 1: and four months?

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is the legislation that's the Holidays Act,

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Speaker 2: doesn't provide for it, so it's not in there. These

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Speaker 2: are individual contracts that are negotiated by the service agencies

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Speaker 2: and the PSA. So whether they can get away we're

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Speaker 2: saying they didn't know about it is I guess debatable,

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Speaker 2: but you know, unless it's brought to their attention although

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Speaker 2: the legislation there was legislation passed, so they must have

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Speaker 2: known about it. Then it has forgotten about it.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, what's happened to Anna Bremen? Now?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, isn't it? That when Jerome Powell was

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Speaker 2: removed from the FEAD a couple of weeks ago by

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, our governor of the Reserve Bank joined with

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Speaker 2: other central bankers and sent letters of support to the US. Well, basically,

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters isn't happy about it. He posted on x

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Speaker 2: that the Reserve Bank has no role nor should involve

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Speaker 2: itself in US domestic politics, and he reminded the Governor

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Speaker 2: to stay in her lane and to stick to domestic

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Speaker 2: mondetary policy. And he said, that's what the sort of

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Speaker 2: advice that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would have given

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Speaker 2: to her if she had asked. But she didn't ask,

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Speaker 2: and Winston didn't ask for advice.

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Speaker 1: Either, which is the new revelation.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's anything but at the point that he makes,

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Speaker 2: and I can understand it in a way that he

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Speaker 2: said that he didn't need the advice because he knew

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Speaker 2: what the situation was. And look, any politician would know

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Speaker 2: that you don't if you're a public servant right off

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Speaker 2: to another country and say we feel sorry for the

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Speaker 2: treatment that this particular public servants has had met it

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Speaker 2: out to them. It was interesting to me though the

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Speaker 2: Finance Minister, Nicola Willis, she wasn't consulted by Brennan either.

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Speaker 2: Apparently Brennan said that look, she had to make that

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Speaker 2: decision at three in the morning and she didn't feel

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Speaker 2: like disturbing Minister Willis. But Minister Willis tells the government, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm available anytime and that's what New Zealand does expect

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Speaker 2: from me, and I made that clear to it. So

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Speaker 2: the new woman at the Reserve Bank wound New Zealand pology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So the Michael Reid Casey video All the

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Speaker 1: Night has been played, has it?

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Speaker 2: Well, yes it has. And he came into the act

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Speaker 2: after the judge had come back to a table and

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Speaker 2: said she had said to Winston Peters that either he

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Speaker 2: was lying or making up something about saying Tea Kunger

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Speaker 2: was part of the legal training now. But in the

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Speaker 2: video played to the panel, Michael Reid case can be

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Speaker 2: seen trying to film inside the New Zealand first event

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Speaker 2: despite being told numerous times that he wasn't allowed to

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Speaker 2: have a listened to the altercation that ensued.

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Speaker 3: Is it a favorite function? And I understand that, but

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Speaker 3: don't touch me. I'm not touching you. You will be

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Speaker 3: sued for we don't make sure you don't. Don't you

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Speaker 3: touch me? No one's watching, and I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: that and I'm going to just be able to make

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Speaker 3: it complete to the club because I know hang you.

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Speaker 3: I will just this is a private function.

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Speaker 1: You are part of different function.

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Speaker 3: So would you told Winston from me please that I

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Speaker 3: am upset about being a New Zealand first supporter about

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Speaker 3: and on your mailing list. You can send them an email,

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Speaker 3: but this was not the correct thing.

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Speaker 1: Then you are part of a different function.

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Speaker 3: Can you be quiet?

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Speaker 2: Will you be quiet? Now? The thing is that I

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Speaker 2: found in that very imperious behavior by Michael Reid QC.

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Speaker 2: Said that he would be sued for a lot of

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Speaker 2: money at the security. I didn't stay back. Of course,

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Speaker 2: nobody even looked as though they would put a hand

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Speaker 2: near the King's Council. And he knows a lot of

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Speaker 2: members at the Northern Club and he wanted to make

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Speaker 2: a complaint. Well if he knows the members, he should

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Speaker 2: know that. A rule of the club is you don't

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Speaker 2: film anything inside the club, which is what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: I've got a lot of passion on that one. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll have a chat to you later. Quarter past six

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