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Speaker 1: So the fallout from yesterday's Treaty principles debate in Parliament

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Speaker 1: has gone global. This was Fox News just a few

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Speaker 1: minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: Instead of boring speeches, they prefer tribal screeches as session

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Speaker 2: of the New Zealand Parliament game to a screeching hall.

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Speaker 2: Earlier today, when politicians broke out into a traditional ceremony

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Speaker 2: dance known as the hakka.

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Speaker 1: Sky News Australia has also called it a temper tantrum

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Speaker 1: in parliament. Peter Dunn as a former MPa now a

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Speaker 1: political commentator and.

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Speaker 3: Is with us.

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Speaker 1: Hey Peter, hi, Heather, what was your take on what

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Speaker 1: happened yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Well? I was a bit surprised, not not so much

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Speaker 3: by the harker, but by the vehemence of it and

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Speaker 3: the way in which the whole drama unfolded. I thought

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Speaker 3: it was quite unbecoming and not something I'd seen before.

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Speaker 1: What should Jerry do about this?

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Speaker 3: I Thoty handled it quite well on the circumstances actually,

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Speaker 3: by adjourning the house, clearing the gallery and moving on.

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Speaker 3: I think that there needs to be some very clear

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Speaker 3: guidance given to all parties about how they behave in parliament.

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Speaker 3: It's not just a sort of a classroom or a

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Speaker 3: school hall. Parliament is the highest core from the land

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Speaker 3: and proper decorum and dignity should be a part of

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Speaker 3: its proceedings, and unfortunately that's now lacking, not just in

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Speaker 3: this incident, but I think there's a a gradual wearing

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Speaker 3: down over the years where people tend to treat it

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Speaker 3: a bit more informally, don't sort of acknowledge its history

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Speaker 3: and background, and I think that leads to the sort

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Speaker 3: of chaos that we saw yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Isn't the problem here that whatever punishment Jerry actually has

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Speaker 1: to hand is not sufficient to stop this because actually

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Speaker 1: the political reward for this kind of theater is quite big.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's absolutely right, and I think that's

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Speaker 3: as I say, other parties have worked this out as

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Speaker 3: well over time, that they can portray Parliament's customs and

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Speaker 3: tradition as being fuddy duddy and out of date and

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Speaker 3: therefore not something that applied to them. The problem is

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Speaker 3: is it creates its own discipline, and when that discipline

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Speaker 3: breaks down, you see what happened yesterday as an example.

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Speaker 3: So I think there is that sense and for a

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Speaker 3: lot of people they'll say what the hell are all

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Speaker 3: the politicians on about. Good on the Mari Party and

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Speaker 3: good on others for stirring the pot. So there isn't

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Speaker 3: You're right, there is a sort of a The alienated

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Speaker 3: and the divided will feel very positive about what goes on.

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Speaker 3: The traditionalists will feel more and more upset.

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Speaker 1: Right, and so you have the ongoing polarization of politics happening. Though,

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Speaker 1: can you actually see this ending? Because if I look

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Speaker 1: at this, I look at the success of Trump, who

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Speaker 1: also offended kind of you know, norms and therefore got

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Speaker 1: himself elected by consistently offending norms. That's all the Marti

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Speaker 1: Party are doing here that they have no reason to stop.

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Speaker 1: They will continue to do this, and this will become ingrained,

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Speaker 1: won't it.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right, And they'll be appealing in the

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Speaker 3: first instance to their core voters to make sure that

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Speaker 3: they get back in about the same numbers, if not

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Speaker 3: greater numbers at the next election than they've got now.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a bit weird this morning when

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Speaker 3: Debi and Awa packet was an ambusting David Seymour He's

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Speaker 3: only got eight percent of the vote. That's that's considerably

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Speaker 3: more than Pati Mari got at the last divention. But

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Speaker 3: I think that that is the risk now, is we

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Speaker 3: ended up in a period where the extremes start to

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Speaker 3: become more dominant and the mainstream starts to weaken, and

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Speaker 3: then when you look to future government formation, you've got

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Speaker 3: coalitions that maybe two or three parties of roughly equal size,

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Speaker 3: and no one actually able to exert a sort of

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Speaker 3: a controlling influence over it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're about right. Hey, by the way,

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Speaker 1: just can you recu brains tell me the last time

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Speaker 1: that you remember the public gallery being cleared.

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Speaker 3: I have seen it cleared in the past, but not

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Speaker 3: on this level of protest. It would be back in

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Speaker 3: the I think probably the late eighties the early nineties,

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Speaker 3: and it was more more because I remember one incident

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Speaker 3: where a group of people try to stunt where they

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Speaker 3: tried to come down into the chamber sort of over

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Speaker 3: the parapets at various points, just to see if they could,

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Speaker 3: and they sort of one from one corner, one from

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Speaker 3: the other, and because no one quite knew what was

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Speaker 3: going on, it was clear at that point until they

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Speaker 3: were removed, clearly this was just a prank gone wrong. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Hey, Peter, Thanks very much as always Peter Done,

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