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Speaker 1: New Zealand is becoming more corrupt. That's the warning to

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Speaker 1: the government from the Ministerial Advisory Group into transnational gangs.

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Speaker 2: We talked to are most senior officials and the police

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Speaker 2: and customs and we ask them of the large scale

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Speaker 2: drug importations, of the large scale llegal tobacco importations, how

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Speaker 2: many of them involve a corrupt official? That is both

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Speaker 2: far and the vast majority of those cases.

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Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell is the police minister.

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Speaker 2: How much?

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Speaker 3: Hey here they look very First firstly, I just want

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Speaker 3: to really quickly say congratulations. Broadcasts of the year, well done.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm quite lord to Hoscar on his show,

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Speaker 3: but hey, it was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Then you picked that.

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Speaker 1: Up as always you are so charming. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: You worried about cops being corrupted.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, of course, you know something that

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Speaker 3: we always have to be focused on. We're not immune

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Speaker 3: to corruption and bad habits or bad behavior in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: So that's why there's a very thorough vetting process that

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Speaker 3: goes on. The important thing is when there is bad

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Speaker 3: behavior corruption that's identified in the police. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: there's been one example of that in the last few years,

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Speaker 3: and the police were very quick to act on it.

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Speaker 3: The key to it is acting on it quickly and

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Speaker 3: making sure that it's purged out of our police. We

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Speaker 3: have got a world class police force. We can all

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Speaker 3: be proud of them, we can all have full confidence

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Speaker 3: in them. But it's like any big organization. Occasionally you

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Speaker 3: get a bad apple that comes forward, but you got

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Speaker 3: to deal with them quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just the police obviously, as the

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Speaker 1: customs guys and the immigration guys and the border officials

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Speaker 1: and stuff. How do we actually deal with it? How

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Speaker 1: do we stop this happening?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first of all, we do. I know

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Speaker 3: I keep saying it, but I spent a lot of

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Speaker 3: time overseas and in the logistics and a big part

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Speaker 3: of my job with a global logistics company was dealing

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Speaker 3: with corrupt officials and corruption right throughout the whole system.

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Speaker 3: We're very lucky back here in New Zealand that, although

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Speaker 3: we have to be vigilant and we have to be

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Speaker 3: aware of that behavior and we're not immune to it,

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Speaker 3: we've actually got world class custom services, police service. You

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Speaker 3: know that the agencies that deal with this are quite

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Speaker 3: simply outstanding. But we have to make sure that we

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Speaker 3: continue to vet. We have to make sure that we're vigilant,

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Speaker 3: and we have to make sure that when we do

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Speaker 3: see evidence of corrupt behavior or poor behavior, that we

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Speaker 3: act on it quickly.

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Speaker 1: Do we need to accept that we also have to

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Speaker 1: pay our people more so that they don't need to

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Speaker 1: top up their incomes.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's you know. We always want to pay them more.

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Speaker 3: We want to pay our first responders more. It's just

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Speaker 3: natural as a country. And I think that as we

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Speaker 3: start to recover fiscally and as we start to see

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Speaker 3: some growth, those are the sort of options that become

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Speaker 3: open to a government. But we came in in the

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Speaker 3: complete opposite situation where we're having to be very fiscally

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Speaker 3: disciplined and restrained to get us back on the right

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Speaker 3: track again.

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Speaker 1: Listen, have you asked the police commissioner to explain why

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Speaker 1: no one in the cops told you that they'd seize

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Speaker 1: Michael Forbes's work phone.

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Speaker 3: No, he did inform me when it's when he became

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Speaker 3: aware of the situation that under no surprises. Look at

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Speaker 3: the time, I don't know. The Prime Minister has obviously

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Speaker 3: asked for Dia to have a look at this and

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Speaker 3: go back so that we can work out and see

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Speaker 3: what the answers are around that. But again, like I said,

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Speaker 3: the important thing is when you do become aware of

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Speaker 3: these things, you've got to act quickly, and that's exactly

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Speaker 3: what happened in this case.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Mitch, thank you, as always appreciated, Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: Police Minister.

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