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Speaker 2: Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we're going to

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Speaker 4: catch up at the Primary Teachers' Union on the Mega strike,

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Speaker 4: the Independent Children's Monitor on the fact that abuse and

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Speaker 4: state care numbers are on the rise, and Trump's just

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Speaker 4: blown up a drug boat and our part of the

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Speaker 4: world for the Pacific, So we'll have a chat to

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Speaker 4: Al Gilluespie about that.

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Speaker 2: Heather duplicy Ellen, Well, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know about this, but it feels to me a

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Speaker 4: little bit like this Mega strike has turned into something

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Speaker 4: of a fizzer. It was supposed to be huge. We're

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Speaker 4: supposed to be one hundred thousand workers walking off the

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Speaker 4: job and going on rallies like we haven't seen since

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Speaker 4: the nineteen seventy nine General strike. And it looks there

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Speaker 4: are definitely big numbers and parts of the country. But

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Speaker 4: what's actually happened is the weather right, which means the

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Speaker 4: rallies have been canceled and more importantly, well at least

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Speaker 4: some of the rallies have been canceled, but much more

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Speaker 4: importantly the rally outside Parliament has been canceled. That's the biggie. Really,

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Speaker 4: no other rally actually matters if you can't rally outside

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Speaker 4: but also, arguably more importantly, the press gallery, because that's

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Speaker 4: really what this is about. It is about getting those

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Speaker 4: there with their placards being on Tally. Now there are

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Speaker 4: reasonable demonstration that's happened in Auckland and other parts of

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Speaker 4: to be nearly as compelling, and especially not when Tally

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Speaker 4: is going to be leading with all of the weather

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Speaker 4: the moment. Plus they've also got the coverage of Jim

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Speaker 4: Bolge's funeral. So I can't help but wonder if this

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Speaker 4: And I also can't help but wonder if scheduling the

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Speaker 4: of things, instead of making a whole bunch of parents angry,

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Speaker 4: she's given a whole bunch of parents an excuse to

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Speaker 4: so we all feel like we probably deserve it, right

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Speaker 4: And by the way, making parents angry and patients angry

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Speaker 4: is the point of the strike. The unions will say

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Speaker 4: that's not the point of the strike, but it actually is,

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Speaker 4: because you're supposed to be angry, and then you're supposed

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Speaker 4: to direct your anger at the government, so the government

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Speaker 4: I wonder if the unions have forgotten to factor in

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Speaker 4: the COVID experience, right, we have looked after our kids

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Speaker 4: But this then begs the question, right, if the anger

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Speaker 4: how many mega strikes does it take to make parents

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Speaker 2: Do for c Ellens.

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Speaker 4: Nine two ninety who's the text understandard text? Fee is

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Speaker 4: to hear it either way. Now, as if ozempic could

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Speaker 4: not be any more of a miracle drug, turns out

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Speaker 4: there's more to it. It has now been found to reduce

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Speaker 4: restricted to only obese people. Peter Shepherd is a molecular

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Speaker 5: It's a pretty good one. A zempic and mglutide, which

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Speaker 4: Okay, now, how do you explain this that it drops

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Speaker 5: Well, a zembic does or semic glutide does a whole

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Speaker 5: And we know that because it was originally developed as

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Speaker 5: there's clearly some other things happening that are slowing down

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Speaker 4: Do we know what those other things are?

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Speaker 5: Well, we know a few of them, and we know

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Speaker 4: How is this working so well for us as humans?

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Speaker 4: Is it replacing something that we do not have enough

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Speaker 5: All it is is a hormone that's been engineered to

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Speaker 5: last longer in the body. Normally, in our body, this

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Speaker 4: So with regards to weight loss, you only lose the

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Speaker 4: you start to put it back on again and within

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Speaker 4: Is the same true of all these other risks.

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Speaker 5: We actually don't know whether there will be a reversal

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Speaker 5: No doubt they'll persist for quite a while, but whether

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Speaker 5: they are fully been reversed, we just don't know yet.

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Speaker 2: More time will tell.

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Speaker 4: Peter, I love the sound of this, but I am

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Speaker 5: You think, well, it's not too bad, I mean compared

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Speaker 5: So it depends, you know. I think when the future,

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Speaker 5: whatever reason, whether it's their genetics or whatever, that respond

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I had a baby in January and I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't mind shredding for summer. Do you reckon? I should?

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Speaker 5: I think you should discuss that with your own GP.

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Speaker 4: Now you were my mate, Peter, and we were just

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Speaker 5: I would say that that it's it's a good drug

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Speaker 4: Peter said it's fine. Peter Sheppard, molecular medicine professor at

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Speaker 4: University of All Class, Hey, what I am slightly tempted.

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Speaker 4: I am tempted a because you know what it's like

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Speaker 4: the end of it. Quarter pass four. By the way,

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Speaker 4: quick update on the weather situation. Heaps of destruction around

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Speaker 4: the place, especially the South Islands, still getting hit by

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Speaker 4: those very strong wins. Here's the Canterbury District Commander, Superintendent

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Speaker 5: We've still got a way to go on this.

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Speaker 7: So if you do not need to travel somewhere, then

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Speaker 7: please don't. If you've made plans to travel tomorrow to

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Speaker 7: to make sure those locations are open to you. There's

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Speaker 4: Hither you'll bang on about the unions. Hither I'm annoyed

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Speaker 4: at the unions, not at the government. Eighteen past four.

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Speaker 8: Why Heather, Sorry, I'm just enjoying a conversation about ozempic

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Speaker 8: in we go visit Heather.

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Speaker 4: Don't take the pills from Richard, go for a run

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Speaker 4: and go to the gym. Hither, don't do it. These

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Speaker 4: products are designed for people who are morbidly obese and

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Speaker 4: can't lose weight. Hither, just go on the Carnival diet.

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Speaker 4: It burns fat fast.

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Speaker 8: Do you know what I was googled? Is ozempic a

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Speaker 8: banned substance? Or is in sport?

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Speaker 4: What do you think?

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Speaker 8: And Wader is monitoring it this year, so they're keeping

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Speaker 8: an eye on it.

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Speaker 4: I think say very slow power. Well, they're just looking

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Speaker 8: Sorry, they're power hungry.

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Speaker 4: Now, aren't they. It'll be interesting to see how that goes. Actually,

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Speaker 4: because I mean it shouldn't be banned, should it? Because

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Speaker 4: My laughing at me? I know why he's laughing at me.

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Speaker 6: Do you know what?

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Speaker 1: Hard questions, strong opinion here the dupas Ellen drive with

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Speaker 2: It'd be hither.

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Speaker 4: I was a union negotiator in days past, and the

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Speaker 4: prevailing wisdom was that it was the threat, not the

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Speaker 4: It's amazing, no side effects. Nine cag's down in three months.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: Like no one else news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be left.

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Speaker 4: So dom comfort mowing up the drug boats has got

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump shooting up a drug boat in the Pacific

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Speaker 4: because it's taken out some drugs in our part of

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Speaker 4: the wrong boat one day and it's not a drug

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Speaker 4: boat at all. Ol Gillespie's going to be with us

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Speaker 4: in about an hour's time. Why a couple of university

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Speaker 4: from a teacher. Would you be happy to give up

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Speaker 4: eight days of your holidays and be called back into work? Seriously,

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Speaker 4: give us the CPI increases, show us some respect to

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Speaker 4: sort out the support for all the kids on the spectrum,

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Speaker 4: and don't mess with our holidays now.

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Speaker 3: Hmm.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how that's going to go down with

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Speaker 4: holidays is it twelve weeks of holidays, three months of holidays?

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Speaker 4: You don't want to give up eight days. I think

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Speaker 4: it's perfectly reasonable to be expected to come back for

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on youth dogs. It'd be drive.

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Speaker 4: So Donald Trump has had a meeting with one of

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Speaker 4: his biggest fans, NATO's security General Mark Rota.

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Speaker 4: And Trump has also announced new sanctions on Russian oil companies.

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Speaker 2: He's a tremendous sanctions.

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Speaker 10: He's a very big there's against their two big oil companies.

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Speaker 11: And we hope that they won't be on for long.

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Speaker 4: Israel and they're both very optimistic about the Gaza Seaspire,

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Speaker 12: Hardy been built in just the past seventies.

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Speaker 13: I think that we're on an incredible pathway here, something

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Speaker 4: And finally, over in Spain have arrested seven people on

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Speaker 4: suspicion of stealing more than a thousand chairs. The police

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 4: Murriol's Australia correspondents. So that's hell in us.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 4: So how much is elbow costing new people?

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Speaker 14: Well, we're not we're not.

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Speaker 3: We're not, but it's going to be an eye watering

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Speaker 3: amount of money. Good question.

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Speaker 14: I mean, he's home after a much much better expected

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Speaker 14: Donald Trump, there's the rare Earth deal to mine and

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Speaker 3: project and didn't bully Australia into boosting defense spending. He

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Speaker 3: also declared that Elbow was his best complete confidence in

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Speaker 3: Albanezi and in Australia. But very good question of yours

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Speaker 3: at what cost? No idea year about yet about rare earths.

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Speaker 3: The deal itself eight and a half billion dollars, but

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Speaker 3: how much will taxpayers contribute? Plus news court papers over

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Speaker 3: here Heather are reporting today that the Australian Defense Department

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Speaker 3: has been told to pay for Orcas. These submarines are

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Speaker 3: nearly four hundred billion dollars. To pay for these, we

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Speaker 3: have to cut maintenance on existing Australian Defense force, things

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Speaker 3: like aircraft, things like ships, delay projects, cut as much

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Speaker 3: as possible from the workforce, budget even cut the flying

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Speaker 3: hours of the Air Force. I mean there's no surprise here.

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Speaker 3: I mean all the cash is being plowed into the

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Speaker 3: submarine program. But still on the books head that an

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Speaker 3: Australian Defense Force mandarins have got a dreadful track record.

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Speaker 3: Here is the latest one. The Navy's buying new frigates

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Speaker 3: at the cost of six billion dollars a ship. That's

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Speaker 3: four times the cost of an off the shelf identical

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Speaker 3: boat out of America. But each Australian ship has got

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Speaker 3: to have special Australian tweaks, you know, they have to

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Speaker 3: have company of bunks or whatever. Nine billion dollars for

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Speaker 3: a frigate per boat.

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Speaker 14: Now, this is the sort of stuff that's extravaganst, the

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Speaker 14: wasist that people are howling about, and it's only going

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Speaker 14: to get worse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now, I see Susan Lee has finally come to her

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Speaker 4: in censors and she doesn't want Kevin Ruddson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Well, I mean they fell on I mean, look, Donald

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Speaker 14: Trump gave Kevin run a backhander in the White House

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Speaker 14: beating all pretty funny. The opposition here fell on that

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Speaker 14: like a starving dog on a bone. I swear to

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Speaker 14: God Susan Lee couldn't oh howling howling for Rud to resign,

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Speaker 14: to be sacked, But within twenty four hours she was

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Speaker 14: being publicly contradicted by another liberal woman, one who.

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Speaker 3: Lee sacked herself.

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Speaker 14: Put it down the back bench because this woman backed

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Speaker 14: Peter Dutton. And then another front bench has come out

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Speaker 14: trying to hose down the opposition criticism, saying it would

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Speaker 14: be ideal to have an ambassador who hasn't previously attacked

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Speaker 14: the president but appointedly that person did not call for

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Speaker 14: Rudd's removal. Just another case of the opposition not knowing

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Speaker 14: which day of the week it is.

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Speaker 6: It's just dreadful mus listener.

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Speaker 4: How do you get buried with your pets? Which one

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Speaker 4: of you goes first and which one gets put down

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Speaker 4: to go with the other one?

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Speaker 14: Well, look, love my dog dearly, but I'm not sure

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Speaker 14: the dog would be of supervising my funeral. And they're

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Speaker 14: hopping in after me. It's going to be the other

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Speaker 14: way around. And I didn't even know this was the thing.

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Speaker 14: It's apparently been in New South Wales for many, many years.

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Speaker 14: You can have your pet, obviously the pet will die first.

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Speaker 14: The pets interred in the plot, you've bought and then

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Speaker 14: you hop in afterwards. Right now, down to Victoria, there's

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Speaker 14: a woman who's an MP in the State Parliament with

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Speaker 14: the Animal Justice Party and she's been jumping up. Now

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Speaker 14: it's outrageous. We haven't got similar laws in Victoria. This woman,

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Speaker 14: by the way, he has got about twenty seven pets.

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Speaker 14: She's got a donkey, you know, sundry cats multiple months,

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Speaker 14: she's got snakes and birds and all sorts of twenty

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Speaker 14: seven pets. This woman's gone, so it's a buddy big

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Speaker 14: grave when she shuffles off. But in any event, the

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Speaker 14: new laws are going to be pasting Victoria. And if

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Speaker 14: you run a cemetery, why should the law say no?

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Speaker 14: I mean, it's perfectly safe and you know, it's hygienic

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Speaker 14: and all the.

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Speaker 3: Rest of it.

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Speaker 14: Apparently in New Zealand, the Funeral Directors Association says there's

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Speaker 14: no reference to pets in the relevant.

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Speaker 3: Legislation, so it's generally considered illegal, but local government at

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Speaker 3: that level they made a side to exempt it.

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Speaker 14: I mean, if you got wait, if you got a

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Speaker 14: little dashound or something, maybe it's a bit different with

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Speaker 14: a I don't know, a bloody great big Saint Bernard

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Speaker 14: or something. But if you're going to hop into the

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Speaker 14: grave with a little, you know, a sausage dog, who's

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Speaker 14: going to be upset with that.

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Speaker 4: No one really has a very good point that you make.

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Speaker 4: Must thank you. Marry Old's Australia corresponded, I thought I

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Speaker 4: went to a dark place. I thought that you would

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Speaker 4: like you'd put the pet like you would basically leave

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Speaker 4: in your well, that if you died, then your pet

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Speaker 4: had to be killed and buried like at the same

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Speaker 4: time as you. I'm glad Muzz cleared that up seventeen

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Speaker 4: away from.

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Speaker 2: Five, Heather, duper.

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Speaker 4: If it wasn't a good day for Madame m Davidson yesterday,

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Speaker 4: Barry will tell us all about that when he's with

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Speaker 4: us in a text. She should be embarrassed about that.

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Speaker 4: Here that yep, Trump, go Trump, blow them up. Hither

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Speaker 4: I love Trumpy blowing up the boat. Anything that reduced

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Speaker 4: the drugs as good. Yep, thanks Donald Trump. Any help

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Speaker 4: is appreciated. Yep, Hither I love the strikes on the

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Speaker 4: love How the our filmed and post had been four

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Speaker 4: or five of these been absolutely blown out of the water. Heather.

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Speaker 4: Of course you meant to say the alleged drug boat

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Speaker 4: unless there was a trial that they didn't mention, which

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Speaker 4: is the very point of the thing, isn't it is

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Speaker 4: that without any without any natural justice there, they're just

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Speaker 4: being blown out of I'm not yeah, I mean you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm in two minds about this. How sorry I am

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Speaker 4: am I rare for them really anyway? Yeah, Alger Lily

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Speaker 4: Spiel talk us through that shortly and as I say,

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Speaker 4: Vario Soapers with us next newstiks.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centric Credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 4: Very Soper, Senior political correspondence with US Hallo Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 4: Yes you've been churning into Jim Bolder's funeral.

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Speaker 15: Yes I have. I would have liked to have been there,

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Speaker 15: but the chaos around the country at the moment. It

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Speaker 15: was interesting that initially it was going to be at

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Speaker 15: the Why Can't I Catholic Church, which is the church

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Speaker 15: that he's gone to for a number of years. But

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Speaker 15: I moved it to part of Pahom because in fact

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Speaker 15: that's a bigger church. So the church was full. It

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Speaker 15: takes about five hundred people, and a couple hundred were outside.

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Speaker 15: A lot of people thy were prevented from going because

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Speaker 15: the Wellington Airport was closed, and much was made.

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Speaker 2: Of him during the.

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Speaker 15: Eulogies about him leaving school in the fourth form at fifteen,

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Speaker 15: which was pretty extraordinary when you consider he went and

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Speaker 15: worked on the farm and became prime minister. The Prime

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Speaker 15: Minister Chris Luxeon he led off the tributes to Jim Bolger,

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Speaker 15: saying what many have about his legacy, and he was

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Speaker 15: followed by the man who served as his deputy, Don McKinnon.

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Speaker 15: Here they are.

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Speaker 16: He liked to talk, he liked to dram or two

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Speaker 16: and he was true to his values. But it's his

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Speaker 16: leadership as Prime Minister that created Jim's enduring political legacy.

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Speaker 16: Jim himself was a reformer and he said it was

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Speaker 16: his Irish heritage that helped him understand mary grievance over

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Speaker 16: treaty breaches. It was groundbreaking work and it was not

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Speaker 16: always easy politics really is. First came the settlement with Tainui. Then,

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Speaker 16: in nineteen ninety six, an election year with public pushback

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Speaker 16: against the treaty process, Nahoo settlement pending. With polling tight,

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Speaker 16: national began to waver, but Jim held firm. He knew

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Speaker 16: the settlements were the right thing to do, and New

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Speaker 16: Zealand is a better place for it and for Jim's

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Speaker 16: moral certainty. And every government since has walked on the

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Speaker 16: footprints of Jim, and so Doug Graham and the team

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Speaker 16: left behind.

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Speaker 2: Jim would love this turnout.

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Speaker 10: My thanks to the Bulger family, all of them, five

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Speaker 10: rows of them. I think to see them all here today,

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Speaker 10: And thank you Joan for inviting me to say a

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Speaker 10: few words. It was to be on behalf of caucus colleagues.

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Speaker 10: Well over the time there were about one hundred caucus colleagues,

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Speaker 10: so I can guarantee you there are a hundred different

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Speaker 10: views of Jim Bulger. Luckily you'll get one view today.

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Speaker 10: Others will have no right of reply.

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Speaker 15: And that's true. Dom Quinnan was right, of course. The

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Speaker 15: Caucus in the end in nineteen ninety seven moved against

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Speaker 15: Jim Boulger, who was replaced, of course by Jenny Shipley,

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Speaker 15: who became the first female Prime minister in New Zealand.

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Speaker 15: Joan Boulger was in many ways at Jim's strength, and

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Speaker 15: that was a parent and the accolade paid to by

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Speaker 15: his daughter Bernadette, the fifth of his nine children.

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Speaker 17: Dad came from a loving family and he created a

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Speaker 17: loving family. It was his greatest achievement. Admittedly, I would

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Speaker 17: say that we've heard a lot about Dad's impressive and

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Speaker 17: full life today. It's humbling and we're so proud of him.

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Speaker 17: But none of it would have been possible without Mum.

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Speaker 17: One day last week, Mum had just got home after

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Speaker 17: spending twelve hours at the hospital with Dad. Her phone

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Speaker 17: ring It was Dad asking if she wanted to go

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Speaker 17: back in.

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Speaker 4: Because he missed it.

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Speaker 17: It was a phenomenal partnership to the very end.

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Speaker 15: Incredible, wasn't it. And you know Joan Bolgo was course

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Speaker 15: on the front row today and she would have been

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Speaker 15: proud of the way I think. Well, the things that

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Speaker 15: were said about her husband, I would imagine.

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Speaker 4: So listen at Parliament. How much of a stuff up

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Speaker 4: was this from Madimer Davidson.

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Speaker 15: Well significant actually because it was a bill and if

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Speaker 15: you've got a bill that was coming up for its

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Speaker 15: second reading, if you've got a bill, you've got to

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Speaker 15: be there at the beginning when it's called. Well she wasn't.

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Speaker 15: She said she missed it by twenty second. Well it's

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Speaker 15: twenty seconds. Well it may be the case, but you've

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Speaker 15: got to be.

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Speaker 4: There on that. That's true because from the moment that

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Speaker 4: it was called to one of the NAT MP's pointing

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Speaker 4: out she wasn't there. To the speaker then considering what

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Speaker 4: to do about it, way more than twenty seconds had.

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Speaker 15: Lapsed, she says twenty second. But you know, the point

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Speaker 15: is that if you've got a bill going through Parliament

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Speaker 15: as this one was, and it was the bill was

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Speaker 15: about repairs to equipment, the rights to repair, the rights

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Speaker 15: to repair equipment. Well, it was supported by the Maldi Party,

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Speaker 15: it was supported by the Labor Party, and it was

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Speaker 15: supported by New Zealand first, so it had the numbers.

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Speaker 15: Although it select committee they recommended that it go no

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Speaker 15: further and the government's got the majority it select committee.

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Speaker 15: But if those votes were held, as chances are, it

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Speaker 15: could have got through. She's lost it now, so all

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Speaker 15: that work has gone down.

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Speaker 4: The gurgle that was so embarrassing It was drawn from

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Speaker 4: the Biscuit Tin, wasn't it. So it was a lot. Oh,

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Speaker 4: how embarrassing. Shame. Okay, what's going on with the nudity speaking.

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Speaker 15: About the biscuit tin. Yeah, well it was Laura m McClure,

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Speaker 15: who's an act MP and she is welcoming the draw

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Speaker 15: that would criminalize non consensual sexually explicit deep fakes from

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Speaker 15: and that came out of the Biscuit tin so that

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Speaker 15: will now be read in Parliament. She says that she's

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Speaker 15: heard from many victims over the years and their lives

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Speaker 15: have been derailed by these deep fake Her images being

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Speaker 15: put out on the internet must be terrible. This was

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Speaker 15: Laura m McClure talking in the House about it in

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Speaker 15: Parliament last night.

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Speaker 18: Parents, wake up, you guys need to get online yourselves

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Speaker 18: or check what your children are viewing online. You know,

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Speaker 18: there is a lot of advocacy groups out there doing

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Speaker 18: a lot of work. They're calling for regulation and there

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Speaker 18: may be a case for that, but parents need to

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Speaker 18: take some responsibility. It is not that hard to find

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Speaker 18: out what your kids are doing online. There are apps

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Speaker 18: available right now, free apps where you can monitor your

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Speaker 18: child's online activity because I can tell you right now

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Speaker 18: the things that they are seeing online are extremely damaging

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Speaker 18: and harmful.

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Speaker 15: Didn't know about those apps?

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Speaker 4: Oh, Barry, come on, everybody knows bout Good on Laura

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Speaker 4: calling out parents were being sloppy here. Thank you, Barry.

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Speaker 4: Appret it Barry Sober seeing your political correspondence seven away

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Speaker 4: from five.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 19: How much of this is genuine grievance versus how much

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Speaker 19: of this is making a political statement against the government

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Speaker 19: they don't like.

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Speaker 2: We'll put it this way.

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Speaker 20: I don't think that there would be a member of

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Speaker 20: our cabinet who doesn't want to pay nurses, teachers, doctors

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Speaker 20: as much as possible. On the other hand, there seems

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Speaker 20: to be a disconnect between what some of these unions

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Speaker 20: and their union leadership are demanding versus the reality that

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Speaker 20: most New Zealanders, including those who have to pay the

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Speaker 20: taxes to fund these services, are actually facing making a

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Speaker 20: political point, and that I think is where a lot

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Speaker 20: of the frustration for people in the government.

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Speaker 19: Back tomorrow at six am the mic hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 19: the Defendant News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 4: Hither I've been on the Wigovi jab. I've lost twenty

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Speaker 4: five cages. Honestly I cannot. And what's more, just join

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Speaker 4: New Zealand Dating and our meeting three chaps next week.

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Speaker 4: Good luck with us. It's busy week for you. I'm

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Speaker 4: given that it's only it's a short week as well.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell you how many texts are coming in

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Speaker 4: on as people love this stuff. Eh. Now it's four

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Speaker 4: away from five. There are a bunch of guys who

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Speaker 4: have launched away for people to buy into property, even

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Speaker 4: if they can't afford, you know, an entire property themselves.

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Speaker 4: It's like Chaer's He's for a house. It's called houses.

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Speaker 4: You can put as little as one hundred bucks and

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Speaker 4: then you can get your steak in residential property, get

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Speaker 4: returns from the rental income. I think you can even

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Speaker 4: apply if you own enough of the house, you can

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Speaker 4: even apply to move in as the tenant. They're going

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Speaker 4: to talk us through that in about twenty minutes time.

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Speaker 4: I think this is interesting. Okay, so the mega strikers

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Speaker 4: on today turned into a fizzer. As I said, we

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Speaker 4: gave Sarah Dalton from the Senior Doctors a call, right

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Speaker 4: because she's been one of the ones leading on this.

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Speaker 4: I no, she said, can't appear on the show tonight.

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Speaker 4: Going to be appearing at the ERA after five o'clock.

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Speaker 4: Still too busy, all right, We'll call Henry the Eighth

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Speaker 4: from the PBTA, Chris Abercrombie, he go, no, no, can't

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Speaker 4: do it, can't do it. Something has happened to the

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Speaker 4: house in Southland, so he's weather related, so he's busy

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Speaker 4: to that now. In both cases we were like, great, well,

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Speaker 4: have you got somebody else who can fill it. No,

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Speaker 4: So neither of those unions who've been leading the charge

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Speaker 4: on the Mega strike want to talk about the Mega strike.

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Speaker 4: Now they have good reasons, I would say for it,

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Speaker 4: but I just find it interesting. It's the biggest strike

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Speaker 4: in forty six years and they're not fronting on it.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, we're going to talk instead to the NZEI.

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Speaker 4: This is the primary teachers and they're with us. Next

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Speaker 4: News talksp.

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Speaker 21: Oh, I get des in with my.

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Speaker 2: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicl and drive with One New Zealand to

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Speaker 1: coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talks V.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon. So we've had the biggest strike in forty

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Speaker 4: six years, with an estimated one hundred thousand workers walking

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Speaker 4: off the job today. Unfortunately for the teachers and the

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Speaker 4: doctors and the nurses and the prison staff and all

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Speaker 4: the other healthcare personnel striking, the weather's disrupted the rallies

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Speaker 4: and parts of the country. Now the NZEI is Liam

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Speaker 4: Rutherfitter is with us on this. Hey Liam talking again,

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Speaker 4: it's good to have you on the show mate. Does

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Speaker 4: turned them too a bit of a fizzle then, Oh,

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Speaker 4: definitely not.

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Speaker 11: I mean we had one hundred thousand people delivering a

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Speaker 11: pretty loud, clear message. Although granted it would have been

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Speaker 11: nice to be on the floor Court of Parliament in Wellington,

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Speaker 11: but health and safety took precedent and it's been great

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Speaker 11: following all of the rallies that have happened around the country.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder if it's a bit of a fizzle

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Speaker 4: because the weather is obviously stopped the most important rally,

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Speaker 4: which is in Wellington, but also because I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you did the right thing doing it on the

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Speaker 4: Thursday before a long weekend, because a bunch of parents

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Speaker 4: have just taken a really long weekend now and aren't

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Speaker 4: too fussed about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Actually, I think we've been really heartened by the parents

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Speaker 11: support that we've had. I was in Palmiston North today

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Speaker 11: that we didn't have any rain, but we had a

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Speaker 11: lot of wind and the number of parents and kids

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Speaker 11: that were out there supporting us. We actually had a parent,

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Speaker 11: get up there and speak and talk about the importance

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Speaker 11: of having education and health funded to a level that's

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Speaker 11: actually meeting the needs of people. And so we were

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Speaker 11: quite heartened with how the days panned out.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so are you guys, is going to go back

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Speaker 4: to the negotiating table now that you've got this one

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Speaker 4: out of your system.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I think it's really clear that we get on the

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Speaker 11: record that we've never left the negotiating table. We had

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Speaker 11: three afternoons last week the primary teachers that trying to

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Speaker 11: get an offer out of the PSC, and we've got

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Speaker 11: dates to go back in the coming weeks as well.

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Speaker 11: And so we hope that the strike action is actually

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Speaker 11: going to put the pressure on the government because it's

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Speaker 11: the PSC that are in a bit of a in

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Speaker 11: a bit of a tight spot because they haven't been

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Speaker 11: given the tools and the resources to be able to

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Speaker 11: get the settled.

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Speaker 4: How would this put pressure on the government.

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Speaker 11: Well, what we're hearing out there is that the government

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Speaker 11: investing in education and health is something that's incredibly popular

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Speaker 11: in the eyes of voters, and so it was an

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Speaker 11: eye on the.

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Speaker 4: Election that's like asking do you want to be a billionaire?

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Speaker 4: Of course, we do, it is not possible. But because

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying to you is I don't think people

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Speaker 4: are angry enough to put pressure on the government.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, but so what I'm saying is that the position

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Speaker 11: that we are in is because of the choices that

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Speaker 11: the government has made. Everybody does support more funding going

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Speaker 11: into education and health. But I think what people have

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Speaker 11: picked up on and where we do see the anger

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Speaker 11: coming from our communities is that they have prioritized giving

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Speaker 11: money to landlords and to tobacco tax cuts and the

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Speaker 11: highest income earners. People see that as an opportunity cost

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Speaker 11: for money that should be going into education and health.

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Speaker 4: Hey, so, how many more strikes are you prepared to do?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 11: Look, that'll be in the eyes of the members. At

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Speaker 11: this stage, we're really focused to getting back around the table.

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Speaker 11: We're hoping that the government is going to come to

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Speaker 11: the party and give the resourcing to the Public Service

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Speaker 11: Commission to get an offer that's going to land and

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Speaker 11: if we don't end up in that space, it'll be

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Speaker 11: up to members as to what they want to do next.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Liam, thanks so much for your time. Liam Rutherford

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Speaker 4: ends adi. That's the primary school teachers and principles. Lead negotiator.

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Speaker 4: I shout out to the health workers and Nelson who

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Speaker 4: was striking but then went back to Nelson Hospital to

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Speaker 4: help this morning and care for patients because the backup

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Speaker 4: generator failed to power up when the electricity went out.

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Speaker 4: That's a good turn.

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Speaker 2: Five to ten Heather Duplessye, Ellen.

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Speaker 4: Now, unfortunately it doesn't look like there's much improvement in

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Speaker 4: how we care for our most vulnerable kids. The number

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Speaker 4: of kids abused while in state care has increased in

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Speaker 4: the last year, with five hundred and thirty experiencing harm.

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Speaker 4: That is twenty three more than last year. Aaron Jones

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Speaker 4: is the Independent Children's Monitor and with us Hello, Aaron, Yeah, Now,

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Speaker 4: is this right that most of this is happening when

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Speaker 4: these kids are going back to their parents?

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Speaker 22: Not most of it, but there's overrepresented, so it's a

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Speaker 22: real risk area. And Ordo Tamariki have called this out

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Speaker 22: as far back as twenty nineteen. For kids that are

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Speaker 22: returning home but they're still in state care, they're disproportionately

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Speaker 22: getting harmed.

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Speaker 4: What does that mean? What does disproportionately mean?

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Speaker 22: Well, because the number of kids that are returning home

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Speaker 22: is small, but the amount of harm that's been is

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Speaker 22: great likely to get harmed if you're in one of

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Speaker 22: those situations. And I think what's really important to understand

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Speaker 22: is those kids that are returning home, about half of

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Speaker 22: them are returning home in an unplanned way, So they're

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Speaker 22: going back to homes when family members aren't necessarily ready.

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Speaker 22: Or are we doing this parent, Well, that's the question

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Speaker 22: you need to ask, what a tone.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if we know that there's a really high

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Speaker 4: rate of these kids getting hurt when they're back with

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Speaker 4: their where their loser parents, why don't we keep them

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Speaker 4: away from their parents?

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Speaker 22: Well that is one option. The other option is making

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Speaker 22: sure that if this is the only alternative for this

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Speaker 22: young person and they want to be home with their parents,

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Speaker 22: is making sure you've got the supports in place for them.

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Speaker 22: So we produced a report in twenty twenty three that

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Speaker 22: called this out. And you know, you've got voices of parents.

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Speaker 22: They're saying, I just wasn't ready for my young person

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Speaker 22: to come home. I've got drug and alcohol issues. I

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Speaker 22: haven't addressed those yet. I've got mental health issues I

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Speaker 22: haven't been able to address, so I'm not ready to

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Speaker 22: have them home. And so what it's saying is if

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Speaker 22: they're going to return, you've got to make sure the

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Speaker 22: supports are there for both them and their family members.

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Speaker 4: Are we talking about social worker visits.

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Speaker 22: It's one of them. So one of the things we

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Speaker 22: noted back then was actually social workers were less likely

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Speaker 22: to visit those kids that would return home in an

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Speaker 22: unexpected way than those that had gone home in a

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Speaker 22: planned way. Why that's again a question you'd have to ask.

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Speaker 6: I mean.

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Speaker 4: Thing we can fix.

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Speaker 22: It's yeah, it does. And I think one of the

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Speaker 22: heartening things I'll give you some good news here here

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Speaker 22: there is I think ordung A Tamariki in the last

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Speaker 22: six months have have responded to that and are actively

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Speaker 22: driving and improvement and practice to make sure that social

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Speaker 22: workers are visiting those young people to make sure that

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Speaker 22: they're safe. If that can be sustained and you can

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Speaker 22: get the other agencies wrapped around in terms of mental

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Speaker 22: health support and everything else that's needed, we might see

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Speaker 22: a reduction in that harm.

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Speaker 4: Oh pleased to hear that. Aaron, thanks so much, mate,

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Speaker 4: Aaron Jones, Independent Children's monitor.

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Speaker 2: For Ellen Heither.

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Speaker 4: As soon as that union guy said that the government

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Speaker 4: was giving tax cuts to landlords, I lost my support

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Speaker 4: for them. Because he just confirmed it's a left wing

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Speaker 4: political statement. I mean, all the union guys across all

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Speaker 4: the unions are saying using exactly the same line. Have

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Speaker 4: you noticed that? And there is a point which had

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Speaker 4: become slightly overused and I did actually I rolled my

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Speaker 4: eyes when he said it, which is probably not a

875
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Speaker 4: good thing for him anyway. Listen, happy days for parents

876
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Speaker 4: who care about the social media. The under sixteen social

877
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Speaker 4: media ban has just been pulled out of the Biscuit Tin.

878
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Speaker 4: This is the National Party's one. This is the MP

879
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Speaker 4: for Tuki Tooki, Catherine wed it's her one which has

880
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 4: just been pulled out. Now what this means. I think

881
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Speaker 4: this is fascinating because you cannot predict when it's going

882
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 4: to be drawn out of the Biscuit Tin, right, It

883
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Speaker 4: could languish there for years. It could be drawn out

884
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Speaker 4: tomorrow type thing. So the government chucked it in there,

885
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Speaker 4: which was always an indication that they were like, yeah,

886
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Speaker 4: it'll sound good if we say we're going to do

887
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Speaker 4: something about this, but we don't actually have to do something. Well,

888
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 4: now you do. It just got pulled out, So let's

889
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: see how much the government really does want to do

890
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Speaker 4: something about the under sixteens being banned from social media

891
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Speaker 4: and let's se how much pressure they're going to come under,

892
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 4: which is a lot of pressure because there are people

893
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Speaker 4: with very deep pockets. We're going to put pressure on

894
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Speaker 4: the government. Fourteen past five, Right, I've got big news

895
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Speaker 4: for both business and nature lovers. One New Zealand has

896
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Speaker 4: just teamed up with the Department of Conservation in a

897
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Speaker 4: partnership that's all about protecting the country's unique biodiversity by

898
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Speaker 4: using the power of technology. So DOC has named One

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Speaker 4: New Zealand a new National Conservation Partner. This is a

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Speaker 4: collaboration that's expected to direct about fourteen million dollars into

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Speaker 4: supporting and protecting nature over the few the coming years.

902
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Speaker 4: And thanks to One New Zealand's cutting edge satellite to

903
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Speaker 4: cell tech, the dock Rangers will soon have better connectivity,

904
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Speaker 4: which of course means they can do safer field work

905
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Speaker 4: and they can have faster data collection and smarter decisions

906
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Speaker 4: can be made in some of New Zealand's most remote places.

907
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Speaker 4: And one of these examples is how One New Zealand

908
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Speaker 4: satellite text is already helping in Hearst, where the dock

909
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Speaker 4: Rangers protect the Kiwi. It allows them to keep in

910
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 4: touch with their base and receive weather updates and ask

911
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Speaker 4: for help if they need it. As one, New Zealand

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Speaker 4: CEO Jason Powers says, this is about using technology to

913
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Speaker 4: help preserve our natural heir. It's a powerful combo of

914
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Speaker 4: business smarts and environmental care. Better connectivity, better conservation and

915
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Speaker 4: a win win for New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Ever dupuy l listen, I.

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Speaker 4: Got to tell you shortly about this chapter. We've got

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Speaker 4: a woke business guy. He will not be offended by

919
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Speaker 4: me saying that that is how he sells himself, a

920
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Speaker 4: woke business guy who's going to be us. After six o'clock,

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Speaker 4: i'll run you through his ideas and you can see

922
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Speaker 4: what you think of them. Eighteen past five. Now you've

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Speaker 4: heard of shares these, but you probably haven't heard of

924
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Speaker 4: Houses because this is just launched today. But this is

925
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Speaker 4: a new investment platform that allows you to invest in

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Speaker 4: the property market by buying a stake in property for

927
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Speaker 4: a very small amount, as little as one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 4: James Jordan is a House's co founder and with us. Hello, James, Hi,

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Speaker 4: have okay if I put my one hundred bucks into

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Speaker 4: this am I buying into a specific house, or am

931
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Speaker 4: I buying into a portfolio?

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Speaker 23: You're buying shares in a specific house.

933
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Speaker 4: If you can decide which one I want to invest.

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Speaker 23: In, you can. At the moment, we've got five houses

935
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Speaker 23: for sale on the copy, so you can choose any

936
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Speaker 23: one of those five or a part of all five.

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Speaker 4: And how much is the maximum I can put in?

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Speaker 23: You can own a maximum of twenty five percent of

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Speaker 23: the home. But there is one person who's an investor

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Speaker 23: who can own more than twenty five percent of the home,

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Speaker 23: and that's the ones who will live in the property.

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Speaker 6: Oh so.

943
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Speaker 4: Do does the person with the highest the biggest steak

944
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Speaker 4: get like DIBs to live in it?

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Speaker 23: Now, what happens is that every house will have a

946
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Speaker 23: shareholder who lives in the property, and that's someone who

947
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Speaker 23: will apply to become what we call a guardian because

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Speaker 23: they're going to be looking after the property on behalf

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Speaker 23: of the other shareholders. And they have to own a

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Speaker 23: minimum of two percent of the shares. So the access

951
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Speaker 23: to a home is quite a low bar there as

952
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Speaker 23: far as compared to banks, for example. And then and

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Speaker 23: they pay or you.

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Speaker 4: Going head if I am buying into this house, how

955
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Speaker 4: can I be sure that they are going to maintain

956
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Speaker 4: the house to my standards?

957
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Speaker 23: So all we're monitoring that will be doing inspections. They

958
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Speaker 23: have skin in the game, they've got their own money

959
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Speaker 23: in the property. The properties are all going to be

960
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Speaker 23: new homes and they're going took after them and we're

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Speaker 23: going to support them and making sure that happens.

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Speaker 4: And are they going to pay market rent?

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Speaker 23: Probably less. What we're finding is that they pay four percent.

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Speaker 23: They payn occupational license fee so that they pay rent,

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Speaker 23: and that fees based on four percent of the shares

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Speaker 23: they don't own. So it is a bit of a

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Speaker 23: numbers game, but we're finding that that four percent, or

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Speaker 23: the cost of the evenness they are owing at two

969
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Speaker 23: percent of the property is usually slightly less than what

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Speaker 23: they were paying rent today.

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Speaker 4: Is that a good deal for me if I'm a shareholder?

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Speaker 23: Well, I think so. You're going to get a dividend

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Speaker 23: on the four percent, and you are going to be

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Speaker 23: able to trade those shares on our secondary market. And

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Speaker 23: we're the first company is on to be approved by

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Speaker 23: the SMA for to operate a secondary market, and you're

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Speaker 23: going to be able to trade those shares on your

978
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Speaker 23: foot and you will collect not only a dividend, but

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Speaker 23: you'll also be able any capital gains. You will obviously

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Speaker 23: keep that as well.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and so the rent that I'm going to get

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Speaker 4: as my dividend is that going to cover what I'm

983
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Speaker 4: expected to chip in for the maintenance and the rates.

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Speaker 23: And you don't have to, so we pre fund belong

985
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Speaker 23: to maintenance right at the very beginning. The four percent

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Speaker 23: covers rates and insurance if there's any shortfall there. As

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Speaker 23: you know it's quite a bit of inflation with councils

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Speaker 23: these days. The Guardian will support any short though.

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Speaker 4: Interesting James, thanks very much for talking us through at

990
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Speaker 4: James Jordan, co founder of Houses which launched today hither.

991
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Speaker 4: If I hear one more excuse of tax relief to landlords,

992
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Speaker 4: I swear I will scream move on. I feel a

993
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Speaker 4: little bit. I've got to be honest. I feel a

994
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Speaker 4: little bit the same.

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Speaker 24: Five twenty two, The day's Newspeakers talk to Heather First,

996
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Speaker 24: Heather dupless Ellen drive with One New Zealand and the

997
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Speaker 24: power of satellite mobile news.

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Speaker 3: Doorgs be.

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Speaker 4: Five twenty four. Look, I have to be honest as

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Speaker 4: you has been a little while since I sat in

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Speaker 4: the eHome economics class in Turkour College, so there is

1002
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Speaker 4: a fair chance that my experience is a little out

1003
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Speaker 4: of date by about twenty years, and I might just

1004
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Speaker 4: make a fool of myself with what I'm about to

1005
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Speaker 4: say next. But I do not understand the angst about

1006
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Speaker 4: Eric sta for dropping home economics from the NCEEA curriculum.

1007
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Speaker 4: There is an opinion piece in the spin off today

1008
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Speaker 4: and it's arguing against Erica Stanford removing this quote vital

1009
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Speaker 4: subject from our school subject list because it's a quote

1010
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Speaker 4: moral decision, because quote everyone deserves to know what's in

1011
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Speaker 4: their food, how it affects their health, and how to

1012
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Speaker 4: make choices that support their overall well being. Now I

1013
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 4: tend to agree with that you should know what's going

1014
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 4: on in your food. But from what I understand, home

1015
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Speaker 4: mech is still being taught and will still be taught

1016
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Speaker 4: to years nine and ten in some form or another.

1017
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Speaker 4: That's not going to change. And if you cannot learn

1018
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 4: in the space of two years that you need to

1019
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: eat your fruit and your vegetables and your meat and

1020
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Speaker 4: maybe avoid the process stuff and the sugar, then I

1021
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Speaker 4: don't have much hope that you're ever going to learn

1022
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Speaker 4: this stuff. And what's more, we are already we are

1023
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Speaker 4: one of the most obese nations on this planet. So

1024
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Speaker 4: home economics hasn't done very much for us in helping

1025
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Speaker 4: us to keep ourselves healthy in the last one hundred

1026
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Speaker 4: and fourteen years that's been around, has it. But also,

1027
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Speaker 4: and I think this is the most important thing. Come on,

1028
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Speaker 4: did you actually learn anything in home mech Libby, who

1029
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 4: works with us, reckons that in one class she spent

1030
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Speaker 4: the entire class just learning how to make a sandwich.

1031
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 4: I remember setting a pot of oil on fire and

1032
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Speaker 4: learning how to and then running around with him being

1033
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Speaker 4: taught how to put the fire out. So I suppose

1034
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Speaker 4: that's semi helpful. But also I learned how to cut carrots, which, frankly,

1035
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Speaker 4: you know I should have known anyway. All of this

1036
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Speaker 4: stuff you can learn at home. Now, home economic strikes

1037
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Speaker 4: me as one of those subjects that the country would

1038
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Speaker 4: be better off dropping all together and replacing with another

1039
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Speaker 4: session on maths, don't you agree?

1040
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Speaker 2: Hether dole see Allen, I just.

1041
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Speaker 4: Spoke to the German about it. I said to her,

1042
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Speaker 4: what did you learn in home economics in Germany? And

1043
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Speaker 4: she said, I didn't do home economics in Germany because

1044
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Speaker 4: I was learning four languages, physics, bio and chemistry. So

1045
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: what does that tell you? You choose? Do you want to

1046
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: learn how to cut carrots and make a sandwich or

1047
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: do you want to learn to speak four languages. I

1048
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Speaker 4: think we know the answer to that. Anyway, the Huddle

1049
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 4: is going to deal with that next well shortly. So

1050
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Speaker 4: this woke guy who we're going to talk to after six.

1051
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Speaker 4: His name is Michael Kobori, and here's a former Starbucks

1052
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Speaker 4: Chief sustainability officer, also worked for Levi's as in the

1053
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Speaker 4: Genes Maker. He is coming to New Zealand and he's

1054
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Speaker 4: doing this like global tour, just talking about his idea.

1055
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Speaker 4: His idea basically is that you should be woke as

1056
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Speaker 4: a business. It's actually really good for your business to

1057
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Speaker 4: be woke, which I feel runs kind of counter to

1058
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Speaker 4: everything that we're seeing happen at the moment. Because yesterday

1059
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Speaker 4: we had the government softening the climate reporting rules for

1060
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Speaker 4: the large listed companies. You've had the net zero banking

1061
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Speaker 4: Alliance blow up, You've had Air New Zealand pull out

1062
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Speaker 4: of its targets, you know, like actually being what about

1063
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 4: the backlash with bud Light and the transgender influencer. So

1064
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Speaker 4: you've got all these examples. I think I think you've

1065
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 4: got more examples of wokeness not working for business than working.

1066
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Speaker 4: But Michael swears by this stuff, so anyway, we'll ask

1067
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Speaker 4: him about it after six o'clock when he's with us.

1068
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Speaker 4: Next up, Al Galespie on Trump shooting the drug boat

1069
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Speaker 4: out of the Pacific Ocean.

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Speaker 25: We're the ones worth marchings God.

1071
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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the others you need,

1072
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Speaker 1: it's Heather Duplicylan drive with one New Zealand coverage like

1073
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Speaker 1: no one else news talk they'd be.

1074
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Speaker 4: It's I'm standing by. I'm just going to get you

1075
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Speaker 4: quick update on the weather situation here. There's heaps of

1076
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Speaker 4: destruction and stuff going on at the moment, but there

1077
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Speaker 4: seems to be a little bit of a problem with

1078
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Speaker 4: the water in Kluther, Southland and Gray districts. The residents

1079
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Speaker 4: need to conserve water. Cluther and Queenstown have stood up

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Speaker 4: emergency operations centers and Gray District Council is advising residents

1081
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Speaker 4: who still have water to boil it, calling it a

1082
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Speaker 4: water tanker. It's going to be at the Gray District

1083
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Speaker 4: Council Civic Center car park from about now. Actually, so Britie,

1084
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Speaker 4: bring your own water containers and there's only four liters

1085
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Speaker 4: per person. As I said earlier, we're gonna have a

1086
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Speaker 4: little chat to the woke business guy after six o'clock.

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Speaker 4: Right now, it's twenty four away from six now. Trump's

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Speaker 4: campaign of blowing the drug boats out of the water

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Speaker 4: has come a little closer to home. This time. The

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Speaker 4: military has killed two people in a drone strike in

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Speaker 4: the Eastern Pacific Ocean, striking a speedboat that was carrying

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Speaker 4: drugs along a well known trafficking route. Al Gillespie is

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Speaker 4: a White Cuttle University law professor and with us now, hey,

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Speaker 4: el hey, Heather, how do you feel about this now?

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Speaker 25: A little bit uneasy? I think mister Trump's right to

1096
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Speaker 25: be concerned about the way that the drugs are changing

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Speaker 25: and causing a lot of problems in America, But the

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Speaker 25: process he's doing it is wrong. Everyone has a right

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Speaker 25: to fair trial and they shouldn't just be executed on

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Speaker 25: assumption that they are a drug trafficker.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that what he's doing is necessarily going

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Speaker 4: to work? Because I imagine it'll be enough to dissuade the

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Speaker 4: big dogs from getting on the boats themselves, but they

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Speaker 4: may just force lower level ranking people on.

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Speaker 25: I think it will be a complete failure. I think,

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Speaker 25: like the war on drugs is over one hundred years

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Speaker 25: old now and we've got more supply demand and drug

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Speaker 25: deaths than ever before, and we have to think about

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Speaker 25: different ways. Just trying to go hard on them hasn't

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Speaker 25: actually dented the supply or with demand. I think you're

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00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 25: completely correct. Those who supply the drugs will just change

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Speaker 25: their routes to come into the country.

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Speaker 4: How accurate do you think they are when they are

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Speaker 4: identifying whether it's just an average person on a speedboat

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Speaker 4: or a drug trafficker.

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Speaker 25: My guess is that they would be fairly accurate. But

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Speaker 25: that's not the point, because even if you're in a

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Speaker 25: domestic country, and some countries do we have the death

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Speaker 25: penalty for trafficking drugs, you still have to give them

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Speaker 25: a trial. You still have to apprehend them and see

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Speaker 25: if they are the right person, and that the guilt

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Speaker 25: is that the penalty is proportionate to the guilt. You're

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Speaker 25: getting none of that here. You take them on their

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00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 25: word that they're drug traffickers, and you're thinking, therefore, that

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Speaker 25: that penalty is appropriate and that's just wrong.

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Speaker 4: What do you think would happen if they struck a

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Speaker 4: boat of completely innocent people belonging to another state that

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Speaker 4: cares about it, civilians like I don't know, let's say

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Speaker 4: Australia or.

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Speaker 25: New Zealand, there would be uproar. I mean, you only

1131
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 25: have to consider if this was being done by China

1132
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 25: or by Russia, how other countries would respond in this situation.

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Speaker 25: And then if you take one step further back and

1134
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Speaker 25: look in the Philippines there for President as currently before

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Speaker 25: the International Criminal Court for Crimes against Humanity for the

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Speaker 25: way that he did extra judicial killings against his own

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Speaker 25: people related to the drug war. And so at the

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Speaker 25: moment we see it and we think, well, it's kind

1139
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 25: of entertaining, But underneath it there's some very serious principles

1140
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 25: we need to think about them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good to talk to you, Thank you, mate.

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Speaker 4: Al Gillespie, Wykutel University Law professor. Hither, when I was

1143
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 4: in home economics class, I made and never failed chocolate

1144
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 4: cake that actually failed, which probably shows why you needed

1145
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 4: to be in that class. Actually, Hither, I don't think

1146
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 4: Carrol Simpson would agree with you. Well, I think to

1147
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 4: Carrol Simpson, Carol Simpson was the scary teacher at Tucow College.

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Speaker 4: When I say was is was Carol still there? Carol

1149
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 4: was the scary teacher. I don't think Carol wasted her

1150
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Speaker 4: time teaching things like home economics, like she was into

1151
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 4: much more smart stuff like I think. I think she

1152
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 4: was doing the business studies and the economics and the

1153
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 4: accounting and that kind of stuff. So anyway, I suppose

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Speaker 4: who knows, I might have just maybe she was so

1155
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Speaker 4: scary I just blocked her out of the home economics class.

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Speaker 4: Hither I was listening to your comments about home ch

1157
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 4: In Hawks Bay, we teach food tech, which includes nutrition,

1158
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 4: food prep, societal and economic impacts of food, and developing

1159
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 4: food products. We're trying very hard to maintain this in

1160
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 4: our curriculum so that students can be healthy, but also

1161
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Speaker 4: so that we're encouraging a new generation of students who

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Speaker 4: will develop innovitive food products. It's not just about learning

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00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 4: to cook. It was for me twenty away.

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Speaker 1: From six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty.

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Speaker 1: Find your one of a gain on the.

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Speaker 4: Huddle with us. This evening, we have Ali Jones, red

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00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 4: pr and Liam Here, lawyer and political commentator. How are

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00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 4: you two, Ali, how's the weather with you?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, it's Are you going to say that's the song'sn't it?

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Speaker 26: It is pretty windy, but it's northwestern. I'm just telling

1171
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 26: Betty that it's dusty. I'm grumpy. I've got a headache.

1172
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 26: There's dust everywhere. I can't take the dog out because

1173
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 26: it'll blow away just over it. Really, it is karma.

1174
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Speaker 26: It is karma. The City Council's just said that the

1175
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 26: worst is behind us, and what they're doing is warning

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00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 26: people if you're going to be playing sports and parks

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Speaker 26: at the weekend to just be careful because they may

1178
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 26: be I shouldn't laugh, there may be loose branches.

1179
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 4: Although there may be. I mean one fell on the

1180
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 4: on the GP's head in Wellington.

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Speaker 26: Oh that was awful.

1182
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 27: That was awful.

1183
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 26: And look we've had incidents here in christ Church in

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00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 26: Hagley Park with with branches and a chap in Arborostyde

1185
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 26: a couple of years ago. So look, it is a

1186
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 26: serious thing. But look, the winds are the east, but

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00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 26: it's still pretty revolting.

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00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 4: And how's it with you, lib I heard it's just

1189
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 4: started bucketing down in the last couple of hours or so.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, it's here in the mantle too. It's very very

1191
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 27: windy and really but you know it's it's also October

1192
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 27: in the middle or two, so you know, we're a

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00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 27: little bit more used to it. I guess at the

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00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 27: time of year. It's just the normal way of things.

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00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 27: But it's pretty minerable.

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Speaker 4: Do you say manaw tu so you don't have to

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00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 4: say Palmerston.

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Speaker 27: North, Well, I I Palms North is the big smoke.

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Speaker 27: I live out in the country village called wrong a year,

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Speaker 27: so well I work in the city. I will say

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00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 27: I have no I have no shame and saying Farmers

1202
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Speaker 27: North at all if I lived in Farms North, I'm

1203
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 27: just try to accurate.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I got to stand not fair enough. I actually

1205
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 4: thought yes, so my bad. I thought you were trying

1206
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 4: to avoid it. Now, Allie, the strikes, I feel like

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Speaker 4: they were a physicer.

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Speaker 26: What do you think, Well, it depends who you ask.

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00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 26: I think if you are a parent who had to

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00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 26: sort out childcare, or you know, you had kids that

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Speaker 26: weren't at school, or you were someone who's been expecting

1212
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 26: an operation for some time and it was canceled. You'd

1213
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 26: be pretty angry about that, and they may feel differently

1214
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 26: to me. I haven't really felt any you know, it

1215
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 26: hasn't affected me at all. But look, Heather, something that's

1216
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 26: really annoyed me about this is that I want to

1217
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 26: know whether robust and decent reporting on this is. I

1218
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Speaker 26: do hear it on your show, and I'm not just

1219
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 26: blowing smoke. I do hear good interviews and robust, you know,

1220
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 26: reporting on your show. But we heard Brian Roche say

1221
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 26: that it takes two parties to negotiate and he can't

1222
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 26: get the two parties together. Then you had the unions

1223
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 26: and others say well, look we can't get Health New

1224
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 26: Zealand and others.

1225
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 27: Back to the table.

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00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 26: I don't know who's telling porkies here, and I would

1227
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 26: really like to have some. I mean, we don't have

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00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 26: any TV Current Affairs at seven at the moment. I

1229
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 26: want these two parties in a studio being interviewed so

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00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 26: I can understand what the hell's going on.

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Speaker 4: That'sally a fair point to make. What do you reckon

1232
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 4: the well?

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Speaker 27: I think you know the question was we're there so

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00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 27: that did they fail to generate anger for the public. Well,

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Speaker 27: I think that they did generate anger, but it was

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00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 27: self afflicted, right, it was the anger of people who

1237
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 27: were affected. And you know people I was affected. I'm

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Speaker 27: a parent of four, another of four, my six area

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Speaker 27: her mum had a specialist appointment canceled. And you know,

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00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 27: that's a bit of a turning point, a little bit

1241
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 27: is that people will have sympathy for these professions and

1242
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 27: for caring professions, but the fastest way to lose that

1243
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 27: sympathy is to turn the public into pawns in their

1244
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 27: battle against the government.

1245
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 4: Tell me how many of your kids were home today?

1246
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 27: Well that three three school kids on one's one's only

1247
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 27: three and all three we're at home.

1248
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 4: So and so why don't you just take a take

1249
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 4: take a long weekend and turn it into like a

1250
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 4: mega label weekend.

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00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 27: Because I'm not a teacher, she owned a business.

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Speaker 4: You still got to work.

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Speaker 27: Well, I do note that there's actually a teaching only

1254
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 27: dated that tomorrow, and so, you know, very very convenient.

1255
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 27: But yeah, like the rest of us in the real world,

1256
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 27: like you know, if not going to work means you

1257
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 27: don't make money for your family, and so you know,

1258
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 27: we don't have that luxury. We're not paid by the government.

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00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 27: They actually have to be productive.

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Speaker 4: Are you cross on a scale of one to ten?

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Speaker 4: How cross are you eight?

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00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 27: Probably I'm pretty annoyed, Yeah, I am. You know, I

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00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 27: actually think that when you're a professional, you know, like

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00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 27: you have a calling which is higher than you know,

1265
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 27: your your negotiations with your employer, and especially in terms

1266
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 27: of the effect you have on members of the public

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Speaker 27: who are relying on you to turn up. And that's

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Speaker 27: why professionals probably traditionally didn't strike because actually they the

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00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 27: union might say that they're holding out for a future

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00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 27: that's gonna be better for everyone. That's hypothetical. What's not

1271
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 27: hypothetical as everyone who was injured today, But what.

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Speaker 26: Are they supposed to do?

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00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 27: Lean? What what are they supposed to do?

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00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 26: I mean, I actually think that that's a bit rich

1275
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 26: saying that you know, they should turn up, that we

1276
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 26: expect them to do this. If we actually understood what

1277
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 26: was going on, there might be a bit more sympathy

1278
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 26: for it. But if striking is the only way that

1279
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 26: they can get across what the issues are, maybe they

1280
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 26: used to turn up and not strike because they were

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Speaker 26: actually paid properly and had decent.

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00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 27: Terms and conditions. Well, strike striking is only one option

1283
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 27: of many, right, there are other things you can do.

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Speaker 23: You can work to rule what well you can work.

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00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 27: You can work to rule for one thing, right there

1286
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 27: you can And ultimately, of course, you know that the

1287
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 27: thing that drives pay is demand for the profession, right

1288
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 27: and for people to be in the profession. You know

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00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 27: only what. Only nine percent of the private sector workforce

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Speaker 27: is u unized. So most people actually do manage to

1291
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 27: negotiate their way around, you know, workplace negotiations and pay

1292
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 27: without the resorting to a strike. Strikes aren't that common

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00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 27: in this country. Look, I understand it's the right, but look,

1294
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 27: the people who were hurt by the strike weren't the employers,

1295
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 27: wasn't the government, It was the public.

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Speaker 4: It was lim it was people like you. All right,

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Speaker 4: we'll take a break, come back to you shortly quarter two.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand southebyst International Realty, the global

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Speaker 1: leader in luxury real estate.

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Speaker 4: Back of the huddle, Limb here and Ali Jones, Ali,

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Speaker 4: how embarrassing was that for Madame M Davidson not turning

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Speaker 4: up and losing her bill? Oh totally?

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Speaker 26: I mean, how unprofessional? Is it very bad? Totally unprofessional.

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Speaker 26: I'm actually completely and utterly over the Greens, which worries

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Speaker 26: me because I have supported them in the past, not

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Speaker 26: in recent years because I think they've turned into a

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Speaker 26: bunch of activists. But you know, at a time when

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Speaker 26: environmental issues and climate change and innovation that is out

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Speaker 26: there to help that, the Greens are just showing that they're.

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Speaker 27: Not not up to the job.

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Speaker 26: We had a guy who was elected to a local

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Speaker 26: community board in the local body elections who was also

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Speaker 26: the New List Green MP after Benjamin Doyle left, so

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Speaker 26: he's now got two jobs. He's in Wellington and here

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Speaker 26: the Greens have totally lost the plot. They're looking disheveled,

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Speaker 26: they looked disorganized and I think they're disconnected from New Zealanders.

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Speaker 26: A very very bad Heather, very bad Liam.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it is embarrassing if you cannot actually manage

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Speaker 4: your day to get there for the very thing that

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Speaker 4: you are basically living for at the moment, which is

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Speaker 4: the spill.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, it's not the first time that it's happened in

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Speaker 27: New Zealand. I remember when Gordon Copeland failed to turn

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Speaker 27: up to vote against the smacking ban. You know, I

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Speaker 27: mean that was the very thing that caused him was

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Speaker 27: out his own body is but like it is embarrassing,

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Speaker 27: and what annoying about it.

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Speaker 4: Really as high as this right So Gordon turns up

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Speaker 4: and doesn't vote for the thing. David semhow has done

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Speaker 4: the same thing, but because she didn't turn up, the

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Speaker 4: bill is gone.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, And what's really annoying about it is that, like

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Speaker 27: it's probably the one Green Party bill that I'm somewhat

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Speaker 27: interested in and gyms of being a right to repair bill,

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Speaker 27: you know, because that is actually talking about the Greens

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Speaker 27: being all flash and no substance or actually, you know,

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Speaker 27: this is actually something they had a lot of people

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Speaker 27: of a lot of interest in. It's an important consumer thing.

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Speaker 27: It's not just Flash's show. And so it's annoying to

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Speaker 27: have lost the opportunity to test that. Home economics yes

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Speaker 27: or no, Yes, it's a I think it's a necessity.

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Speaker 27: I don't like calling it home economics, which is a

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Speaker 27: very American term, but cooking or whatever. Yes, the fact

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Speaker 27: of the matter.

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Speaker 4: Is that time wait are you telling me you don't

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Speaker 4: want to call it home economics but you want to

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Speaker 4: call it cooking?

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Speaker 6: What? No manual?

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Speaker 13: Whatever?

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Speaker 22: You call it whatever it's called.

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Speaker 27: But the expected matter is, in an ideal world, these

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Speaker 27: skills will be transmitted from you know, parents to children.

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Speaker 27: But that hasn't happened, right, Those skills have been lost.

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Speaker 27: They have to be restarted somehow. And I'm a big believer,

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Speaker 27: and not just chucking stuff onto schools. Schools are really

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Speaker 27: there for the things that parents aren't shouldn't do, But

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Speaker 27: this is one we're actually here. I'm going to make

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Speaker 27: an exception for.

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Speaker 4: And Ali, don't be making encouraging noises. I can hear that.

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Speaker 27: Yeah I am.

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Speaker 26: And look I'm going to add to that. I think

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Speaker 26: we should bring back sewing. We should also have basic

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Speaker 26: car maintenance, financial management, and civics. I think that should

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Speaker 26: be put in there, and that the curriculum and the

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Speaker 26: teachers in the schools should be resourced so that they

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Speaker 26: can teach it.

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Speaker 4: She learned four languages at school because she wasn't well.

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Speaker 26: Not everyone can learn that stuff, not every.

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Speaker 4: Lot, because we're teaching you that. She said, it's compulsory

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Speaker 4: because I don't do things like sewing and how to

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Speaker 4: wash yourself at school.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, but you can't eat German and Italian?

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Speaker 4: Right, But you know, what you become. You become really

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Speaker 4: rich if you can speak all those languages, so you

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Speaker 4: don't need.

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Speaker 26: To you're cloudland.

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Speaker 27: We suffer as a society. We actually really suffer from

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Speaker 27: the loss of those skills. It's for whatever reason that

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Speaker 27: we've lost them. We lost the ability to actually make

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Speaker 27: food from scratch, and that's that float that flows into

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Speaker 27: bed nutrition in the homes where people are low incomes

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Speaker 27: don't have the ability to actually cook nutritious meals. You know,

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Speaker 27: they have to buy stuff that's really.

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Speaker 4: Agreed to listen to yourself. We still teach home economics

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Speaker 4: at the moment, We've been teaching it for one hundred

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Speaker 4: and fourteen years, and the country is as fat as

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Speaker 4: a poor example.

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Speaker 26: No, no, no, look, I'm going to post you a soaldo.

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Speaker 26: Will that get through the post or right?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't because I don't eat bread

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Speaker 4: because I'm trying to be skinny.

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Speaker 26: No, We'll get on those get on those wood govy

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Speaker 26: things and then I'll post it.

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Speaker 4: You think I should? I was thinking about it, Ali should?

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Speaker 4: I think you should? I think you should? Absolutely? What

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Speaker 4: do you reckon? Limb? I need to limb. I had

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Speaker 4: a baby.

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Speaker 27: I'm not that I'm not that idiotic. I'm not going

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Speaker 27: to comment on as a woman's exagerag or diet.

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Speaker 4: Good from you. You've lued well, guys, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Lim Here Alie Jones huddle this evening seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News talk Z' be.

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Speaker 4: Heather for goodness sake, wake up. The strikes are about

1405
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 4: the unions helping their labor mates to embarrass the government.

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01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, welcome, welcome to what's going on? Don't

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Speaker 4: tell me to wake up. We already knew this ages ago. Listen,

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Speaker 4: can I just on the subject of the union? So

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Speaker 4: the Germ I did not know this. The German said

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Speaker 4: to me, how much do you think because the text

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Speaker 4: came through and said, oh, you know, somebody canceled their

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Speaker 4: union membership immediately got a thirty dollar pay rise because

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Speaker 4: they're not paying that every fortnight. Now, the German was like,

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Speaker 4: surely they don't pay that much when to have lock

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Speaker 4: Did you realize that teachers in the PPTA, as in

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Speaker 4: the secondary school teachers, are paying one percent of their

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Speaker 4: income to the union. Did you realize this. So if

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Speaker 4: they are one hundred thousand dollars annually, they are paying

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Speaker 4: the union one thousand dollars. Mate, how is that math

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Speaker 4: stacking up for you? That is the nuttiest. When I

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Speaker 4: was in the union, when I was dumb and young,

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Speaker 4: I mean, some people would say I'm still dumb, and

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Speaker 4: I would take that. But when I was very young

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Speaker 4: I was in the union, I reckon, it only cost

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Speaker 4: me five dollars for a fortnight or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Thirty bucks a fortnight is mental crazy stuff. What are

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Speaker 4: you doing paying the union that much? Cancel immediately and

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Speaker 4: you got yourself at one percent pay rise just like that.

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Speaker 4: What are you doing? It's obviously not a maths teacher,

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Speaker 4: must be a home economics teacher. Anyway, listen on the

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Speaker 4: subject of principles and teachers, I reckon, we've got another

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Speaker 4: case of a principle or a teacher being done unfairly.

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Speaker 4: There is a video online of the principle of Funganui

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Speaker 4: High School and he goes up to a group of

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Speaker 4: kids outside a toilet block at the school and sees

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Speaker 4: something and then something along the lines of you know,

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Speaker 4: like disperse, like get on with it, go to your

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Speaker 4: class whatever, and then doubles back, goes up to the kids.

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Speaker 4: One of the students walks away, and as that student

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Speaker 4: walks away, the principle reaches out and grabs the student

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Speaker 4: and just pulls them back a little bit. Like it's

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Speaker 4: not massive. All it causes the kids to do is

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Speaker 4: like a half step back back to the principle and

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01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 4: he's grabbed his jersey or his bag, and it's not

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Speaker 4: really clear what's going on. It's really not a big

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Speaker 4: deal at all. Like if I walk past and saw

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Speaker 4: that happen, I'd be like, oh, well, you know whatever.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, the parents, of course complained to the Board

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Speaker 4: of Trustees and they said that the principal had man

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Speaker 4: handled their son. The Board of Trustees cleared the principle,

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Speaker 4: but now someone's complained to the teaching Council and they

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Speaker 4: are now investigating this. This Apparently, what the kid did

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Speaker 4: was he chucked up. According to the dad, he chucked

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Speaker 4: up a hangloose sign and said ja and like the

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Speaker 4: kid sounds like a brat, and this is what got

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Speaker 4: the principle worked up. Just please, dear God, can the

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Speaker 4: teaching council not go hard on this principle because that

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Speaker 4: would just be ridiculous, and I would lose all confidence,

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Speaker 4: and I would not understand why anybody wants to be

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Speaker 4: a teacher anymore if they do. Anyway, the woke guy

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Speaker 4: about business.

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Speaker 1: Next, where business meets insight, I'm a business hours. We're

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Speaker 1: here the duplicy Ellen and mas urrancek Investments and Kewye Saber.

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Speaker 2: You're in good as news, Tog.

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Speaker 4: Said b even in coming up in the next hour,

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Speaker 4: Sam Dickey on why quality US stocks like healthcare companies

1467
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Speaker 4: are trading at their cheapest level relative to the market

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Speaker 4: in decades. Do you remember those dairy beef cows that

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Speaker 4: we talked about last week? The Synergizer rabobank has just

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Speaker 4: given it the old tick of approval. Jomie McKay on that,

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Speaker 4: and then end of Brady on all the trouble the

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Speaker 4: Royal families, and at the moment at seven past six,

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Speaker 4: now it seems that we live in an age where

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Speaker 4: businesses and countries are winding back the climate commitments a

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Speaker 4: bit after years of going full throttle. You've got the

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Speaker 4: net zero Banking Alliance shutting down nesslayers quit, the Dairy

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Speaker 4: Methane Action Alliance, and closer to home, the government yesterday

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Speaker 4: water down climate related reporting requirements for listed companies. And

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Speaker 4: yet there's someone who was adamant that being woke is

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Speaker 4: actually good for business. Michael Kobori was the sustainability boss

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Speaker 4: at Starbucks and also worked at Levi's. Hi, Michael, hither,

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01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 4: how is being woke for actually good for business in

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Speaker 4: the face of everything we're seeing at the moment.

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Speaker 28: Well, Heather, I would say that it isn't so much

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01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 28: about being woke. It is about doing what is good

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Speaker 28: for your business. And I've worked on sustainability for large

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Speaker 28: global companies like Starbucks and Levi Straussen Company for nearly

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Speaker 28: thirty years, and we've always focused on those sustainability issues

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Speaker 28: that are material in a financial sense to our companies.

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Speaker 28: And I'm very proud to say that through that work,

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Speaker 28: we've helped our companies become more financially successful.

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Speaker 4: Give me an example, Well.

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Speaker 28: I would say that, for example, coffee at Starbucks. Coffee

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Speaker 28: is an existential issue. Now, many of your listeners this

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01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 28: morning may be enjoying their cup of coffee. I will

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Speaker 28: tell you that coffee only grows in the tropics above

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Speaker 28: one thousand meters in the mountains. Okay, Now, because the

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Speaker 28: climate is warming the planet because we have extreme heat

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Speaker 28: and droughts and rain and floods, because pests and disease

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Speaker 28: like coffee leaf rust are on the increase, coffee is

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Speaker 28: under threat. By the year twenty fifty, the amount of

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Speaker 28: land that we can grow coffee on will be reduced

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Speaker 28: fifty percent. Get that again, By twenty fifty, the amount

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Speaker 28: of land that we can grow use for coffee will

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Speaker 28: be cut in half. And so the company has extensive

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Speaker 28: programs that are working on developing new varieties of coffee

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Speaker 28: that can withstand climate change. We're teaching farmers more sustainable

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Speaker 28: agricultural techniques, and we as a company, and we're encouraging

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Speaker 28: other companies to reduce their carbon emissions because guess what

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Speaker 28: if we can reduce that, we can help keep the

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Speaker 28: temperature jet down and actually help make sure that we

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Speaker 28: can all enjoy that cup of coffee in the morning.

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Speaker 4: Right, And yet, I mean Starbucks famously got busted. I

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01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 4: think it was last year, right for this, for wanting

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01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,799
Speaker 4: to wanting to do all the right things by the climate.

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01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 4: And yet the CEO gets permission and a private jet

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Speaker 4: to be able to fly from his home. And I

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01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 4: think it was California to Washington or something, wasn't it?

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Speaker 28: Well, that was part of his compensation package, and I

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01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 28: have to tell you that that was something that has

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01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 28: a nearly it's in the it's in the one one

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01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 28: millionth of an impact on the company's carbon emissions, and

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01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 28: we were able to engage in other programs that completely

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01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 28: offset that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but doesn't that doesn't that underscore though, that if

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01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 4: you are going to say that this is what your

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01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 4: business is about, and you're going to make it part

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01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 4: of your business story, you cannot deviate from that. Because

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01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 4: that was that created some terrible backlash with Starbucks.

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01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 28: Look, it was probably not the greatest news out there,

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01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 28: but it doesn't overshadow all of these substantive things that

1532
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 28: the company has been doing to all introduced or carbon emissions.

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01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 28: We've literally invested millions of dollars in new renewable power

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01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 28: generation across the United States and in communities that sorely needed.

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01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 28: The last one was seventy three million dollars literally on

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01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 28: an Indigenous Indian reservation in near San Diego, California. So

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01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 28: the company's making significant investments for renewable power generations.

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Speaker 4: So, Michael, would you not would the company not be smarter?

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01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 4: Would the smart and rational thing not be Actually, instead

1540
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 4: of wasting my words, not yours, Instead of wasting money

1541
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 4: on you know, trying to cut a missions, encouraging others

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01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 4: to cut a missions, climate reporting, all that kind of stuff,

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01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 4: may not be better off putting all of that money

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01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 4: into doing the thing that you mentioned earlier, which is

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01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 4: trying to find coffee beans that that will grow in

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01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 4: climate change, you know, in the new weather system.

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01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 28: Well, Heather, we're doing both right now. Of course, we're

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01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 28: trying to get coffee to the point where it can

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Speaker 28: survive climate change. But if we and others don't do

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 28: anything to reduce our carbon emissions, then we're not addressing

1551
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 28: the source of the problem. Right The planet is heating up,

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01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 28: which is causing all of these problems for coffee and

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01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 28: reducing the emaunt of land.

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Speaker 4: And that's it's that's that is. I mean, that's a

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01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 4: fair that's a fair argument. But if I was a shareholder,

1556
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 4: I would say to you, listen, Starbucks is going to

1557
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 4: have about no impact on climate change realistically, stop wasting

1558
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 4: money on it. Put your money into adaptation. Wouldn't wouldn't

1559
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 4: that be the rational thing for a shareholder to.

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01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 28: Demand well, actually, our shareholders are demanding both, and so

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01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 28: are our customers, and so are the employees of Starbucks

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01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 28: and many other large companies. And so that is what

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01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 28: the company pays attention to. It's what any company is

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01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 28: going to pay attention to. What do your customers want,

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01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 28: what do your employees want, and what do your investors want?

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01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 28: And they want absolutely for us to address the issues

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01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 28: around the environment that are material to the company, and

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Speaker 28: for a company that is a food and beverage retailer

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01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 28: like Starbucks, it absolutely is carbon it's water because coffee

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01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 28: is ninety nine percent water, and it's waste. Every year

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01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 28: Starbucks has forty Starbucks has forty thousand stores around the world,

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Speaker 28: and every year it uses literally billions of single use cups,

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01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 28: and so addressing that waste is one of the big

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Speaker 28: issues that we were focused on at Starbucks, and certainly

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01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 28: the industry is focused on because our customers and our

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01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 28: employees want to see us issues like that.

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Speaker 4: All right, Michael, it is good to talk to you.

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01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 4: Thank you for your perspective. That's Michael Kobori, the former

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01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 4: Starbucks Chief Sustainability Officer, also worked at Levi's nine two

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01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 4: nine two love to know what you're saying. Alan Joyce

1581
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 4: has just announced he's going to be running a memoir.

1582
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 4: This is the chap who was Runningquantas for a while there.

1583
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 4: He said, I'm looking forward to setting the record straight.

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01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 4: The book will be a fourth, right and honest account

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01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 4: of my time as CEO of Australia's national flagship. Nothing

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01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 4: will be off limits. Now if you followed Alan Joyce's

1587
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,839
Speaker 4: career and the fact that he's pretty ballsy and prepared

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01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 4: to do just whatever he wants to do, because every

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01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 4: chance that this is going to be a good read.

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01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty six, it's coming out quarter.

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Speaker 1: Past It's the Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 1: podcast on my Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebbi.

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,799
Speaker 4: Heather, you will hither is this dude an AI robot?

1594
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 4: You will not believe the number of people who've text

1595
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 4: me to ask if he's an AI robot. I don't

1596
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 4: think he is. I mean, I don't. To be fair,

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01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 4: he's the states right talking to me, so I can't

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 4: be We've done as much due diligence as we possibly

1599
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 4: can without me actually touching him and saying no, that's

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01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 4: a real life human. But if you loved what he

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01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 4: had to say. You can go and see him in

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01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 4: November when he's coming to New Zealand and actually incidentally

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01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 4: on some of the stuff that he said.

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Speaker 6: I've got.

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01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 4: I had an interesting email today from Todd. Todd from

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01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 4: Turner's email me again so emailed me yesterday EMILV again

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01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 4: but he's got something really interesting to say, which is

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01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 4: apropos what Michael just says the standby. We'll deal with that.

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01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 4: Eighteen past six.

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Speaker 2: The Rural Report on Heather. Do for see Alan.

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Speaker 4: Drive Jamie McKay, Hosts of the Countries with Us. Hello Jamie.

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Speaker 12: I'd like to say good evening Heather, but it hasn't

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01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 12: been for a lot of people.

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01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 4: What's it like? How's it with you, guys?

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01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 12: Well, I'm based in Dunedan. There's a few trees over here.

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01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 12: It got rather blustery just after midday or one or

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01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 12: two o'clock. Is the weather changed in for cargo or

1618
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 12: got hammered. We know all parts of the country have

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01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 12: been hammered, but I think if you're looking for the

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01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 12: worst affected from what I can see anyhow, it would

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01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 12: probably be Canterbury, especially North Canterbury. Got a message from

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01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 12: a farmer who said he's been in the Muri basin today.

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Speaker 12: That's colvid and Era area in North Canterbury. His words,

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01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 12: effing carnage. Fifty pivots. These are the big pivot arrogators.

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01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 12: Blown over trees and sheds gone everywhere. So it's going

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01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 12: to take a lot of repairing. And you might remember

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01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 12: a few years ago when they had a big wind

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01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 12: in Canterbury. Those pivot irrigators, which cost hundreds of thousands,

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01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 12: sometimes millions of dollars. They try and park them up

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01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 12: into the wind when it's really strong, but it looks

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01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 12: like that wasn't enough. A number of those have been damaged.

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01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 12: And the irony of all the situation is they're going

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01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 12: to need those pivot irrogators very shortly because this wind

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01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 12: has not only been wickedly destructive, it's rarely starting to

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01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 12: dry out the east coast of both islands.

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Speaker 4: On the Synergizer has rabobanks did they quite like the

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01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 4: look of it?

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Speaker 6: What's a synergizer?

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01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 4: The synergizer is the name of the cow. Jamie, Oh,

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Speaker 4: is it?

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Speaker 12: Well, I'm learning from you. You should just do the

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01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 12: rural spot yourself. I assume we're talking about the same

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01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,480
Speaker 12: Rabobank report Strategic moment for dairy beef in New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Is that I the synergizer.

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01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 12: Well, look, we've got a big issue in this country

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01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 12: in the dairy industry, and that is what to do

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 12: with the bobby calfs. So what happens to the calves

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01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 12: for people who are unaware, is that for a cow

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01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 12: to produce milk, it has to get pregnant, it has

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01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 12: to have a calf. The calfs are taken off the

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01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 12: dairy cows at three to four days of age, and

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01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 12: then the cows and milk. Now what happens to those calves, Well,

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01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,719
Speaker 12: about a quarter of them are retained as replacement dairy hiffers.

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01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 12: The females about another quarter raised as dairy beef and

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01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 12: they will be prosed. I'm worried to use the word

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01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 12: killed heather in these enlightened times, but they will be

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01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 12: killed as beef animals in two to three years time.

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01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 12: But that leaves the other half and they haven't got

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Speaker 12: a very good future at all. Basically, they go to

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Speaker 12: the meat works as bobby calfs at four to five

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Speaker 12: days old. That's feel And if that sounds barbaric, it's

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01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 12: not as barbaric as they used to be because they

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01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 12: used to just be.

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Speaker 6: Disposed on farms.

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Speaker 12: So look, I think if where or the dairy industry

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01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 12: should I say, has a social license to operate, and

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01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 12: especially with the animal welfare cruelty side of all this,

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Speaker 12: it will become important that every calf born is raised

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Speaker 12: and serves the useful purpose. So I think that's where

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Speaker 12: having more dairy beef pridut progeny from these dairy cows

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Speaker 12: will be the answer. Because Rabobank have come out and

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01:18:56,200 --> 01:19:00,799
Speaker 12: said at current market average prices for this season, rearing

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01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 12: an additional six hundred thousand calves could unlock one point

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01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 12: two billion dollars in value. And imagine if we had

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01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 12: that here, that we could pay the teachers more to

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01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 12: learn about Palestine, and we could play the hard pay

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01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 12: the hard working doctors and nurses a bit more.

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01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 6: Goodness knows they deserve it.

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Speaker 4: God on you. Jamie has always really loved talking to you.

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Speaker 4: That's Jamie Mackay, who's the host of the Country. Hither

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Speaker 4: I waited in the car to listen to Michael. He

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01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 4: sounded exactly like I thought he would. Here, the Starbucks

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01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 4: should focus on actually making good coffee something currently beyond

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01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 4: their reach. Here, the Michael came across as a condescending

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Speaker 4: school teacher lecturing his inferiors. Look to be fair to Michael.

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Speaker 4: I suspect that's because I would I'd venture that most

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Speaker 4: of Michael's interactions with the media would be with other

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01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 4: people who got, oh, yeah, no, that's right. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: totally agree with you. I don't know that he'd get

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Speaker 4: a lot of he'd get a lot of really no.

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01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 4: So maybe maybe that's the tone. It's just like explaining

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Speaker 4: it to a happy audience. Anyway, apropos what he was

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01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 4: I don't like. I don't at all think that being

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01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 4: woke is good for business. I think just actually being

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01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 4: realistic is good for business. And I got an email

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01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 4: from Todd from Turners, and he wanted to have a

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Speaker 4: little bit more of a chat about the climate disclosure risks, right,

1698
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 4: the climate disclosure reporting, which I'm well into having chats about.

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Speaker 4: And he said Turners have not just published one climate report,

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01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 4: but they published too and remember that the first one

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01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 4: cost a million dollars. He said, we have not had

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01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 4: one question about any of the information in it from

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01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 4: institutional investors or retail investors in two years, and we

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01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 4: engage very regularly with all of the large institute, large

1705
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 4: institutional investors in New Zealand, which I think goes to

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01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 4: show exactly what we were saying yesterday. If people actually

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01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 4: wanted to know the stuff, they would simply ask and

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01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,959
Speaker 4: the market will respond and reply and provide that information.

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01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 4: If you're having to force the listed companies to cough

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01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 4: it up, it's because people don't actually care about it.

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01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 4: He also said not one of the climate reports has

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Speaker 4: helped caol the climate one little bit, which is also

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01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 4: I think a fair point. When I was as I

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01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 4: did a bit of research before I was going to

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Speaker 4: talk to Michael, just in case we got deep on

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01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 4: the stuff, which we didn't. One of the facts that

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Speaker 4: I thought was really interesting was the young people. This

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01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 4: is what they say. They say, Oh, the young people

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01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 4: care about You've got to be sustainable for the young consumer.

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01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 4: Bollocks you do not. Young people will say to you,

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01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 4: like seventy percent of them will say to you we're

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01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 4: only going to buy products that are sustainable and good

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Speaker 4: for the climate, when actually, when you scrape have a

1724
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,759
Speaker 4: look at it, what they actually end up doing different

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01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 4: to what they say. Twenty eight percent of them, Only

1726
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 4: twenty eight percent of them actually buy something based on

1727
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 4: sustainability six twenty four.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1729
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 1: The business hour, we're.

1730
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 2: Header due for Cellen and maz for.

1731
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: Insurance investments and Kuiye Saber and you're in good hands news.

1732
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 4: Talks that'd be you know how I said that I

1733
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 4: thought the weather was going to knock the air out

1734
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 4: of the strikes. Well, TV one, they didn't even get

1735
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 4: to the strikes today, that the mega strike, biggest strike

1736
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 4: in forty six years. Until the second break, it was

1737
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 4: just all weather in the first break six twenty six.

1738
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,440
Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

1739
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 15: On the beast.

1740
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Speaker 4: And this song is called so Unfair, which is a

1741
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 4: new song from indie pop musician Sophia James. It's kicked

1742
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 4: off a very soli little internet trend called Group seven.

1743
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna explain. So Sophia put out the song a

1744
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 4: few days ago, and as you do, she was trying

1745
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 4: to get the new song to trend on TikTok.

1746
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 7: Always husband and always will be me versus the algorithm.

1747
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: And today I have decided that I am winning.

1748
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 4: So she put out a fairly standard TikTok promo video

1749
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 4: dancing around in lip syncing and so far, so good.

1750
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 4: But the problem with TikTok is you never know if

1751
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 4: anyone's going to actually see the video. So she decided

1752
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 4: to do a bunch of videos to increase her chances.

1753
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 4: By the fourth video, she told people, if you see this,

1754
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 4: you're in Group four, and you can tell. By the

1755
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 4: time she got to Group seven, she was getting a

1756
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 4: bit sick of it.

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Speaker 7: I have posted seven videos today and this is the

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01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 7: seventh one, just this little science experiment out of seven.

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01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 4: So she went to bed and when she woke up,

1760
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 4: one of the videos had indeed blown up. It was

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01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 4: the Group seven one, which now has forty six million views.

1762
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 4: She posted Group seven had one, and then it just

1763
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 4: went out. It just got wacky. Being part of Group

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01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 4: seven is now a weird status symbol for everyone, even

1765
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 4: for people who had no idea who Sophia James was.

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01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 4: It even includes the Kansas City Chiefs and tennis star

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01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 4: Naomi Osaki were in Group seven. So did we learn

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01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 4: anything from it? Not at all. But Group seven is

1769
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 4: meeting up this weekend at a pub in London, and

1770
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 4: it's just another weird internet thing. That has happened. Sam

1771
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 4: Dicky is with us.

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Speaker 1: Next crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither

1773
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: D for Sea Ellen with the Business Hour and MAS.

1774
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 2: For insurance investments and Kiwi Safer you're in good hands

1775
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 2: news talks that'd.

1776
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: Be I remember when we were driving.

1777
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:53,520
Speaker 2: Driving in your cars. It's a faster Fellow's.

1778
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 4: Remind everyone that you can still have communication through one

1779
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 4: as in One New Zealand Starlink tech service. There was

1780
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 4: a white Huttle family who was isolated last week for

1781
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 4: thirty eight hours and they did not know that they

1782
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 4: had this capability. So yes, it doesn't matter what provider

1783
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 4: you're on, what telco you're on. If you if you

1784
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 4: need to send a text, it should I think, if

1785
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 4: I remember correctly, should automatically take you through to One

1786
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 4: New Zealand and the Starlink service. So yeah, get those

1787
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 4: texts out if you need some help, because it's a

1788
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 4: pretty pretty nift way of people getting a hold of you.

1789
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 4: Read it. By the way, has in the last few

1790
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 4: hours as in Like Today, has sued the AI platform

1791
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:31,600
Speaker 4: Perplexity for scraping data. Perplexity is one of the I

1792
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 4: think Larry loves perplexity. Larry loves perplexity and he's got

1793
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 4: Barry onto Perplexity, so the pair of them are using that,

1794
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 4: so they don't use chat GPT anyway. That Reddit has

1795
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 4: taken the case in the New York Federal Court accusing

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01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 4: Perplexity and three other AI companies of unlawfully scraping its

1797
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 4: data in order to train their AI based search engines. Anyway,

1798
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,759
Speaker 4: read it claims that they had put data protection measures

1799
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 4: in place, but Perplexity still managed to get around that

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01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,560
Speaker 4: in order to they say, steal the It's not the

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01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 4: first case that Reddit has taken, mind you. They filed

1802
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 4: a similar lawsuit against Anthropic a few months ago. So

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01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,759
Speaker 4: interesting this is this is where this AI stuff is going.

1804
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 4: There's a lot of a lot of concern about the

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01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 4: protection of data and so on. To keep an eye

1806
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 4: on that. Enda Brady will be with us in ten

1807
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 4: minutes time to talk us through the Royal family in

1808
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 4: big and increasingly big trouble over Andrew. Right now, it's

1809
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 4: twenty two away from seven Heather.

1810
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 2: Due to see our quality stocks.

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01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 4: Like healthcare companies are trading at their cheapest level relative

1812
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,759
Speaker 4: to the market in decades, and that's happening while market

1813
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,719
Speaker 4: concentration is at record levels. Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds

1814
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 4: is looking into this and is with us. Hi Sam,

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01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 4: Hey Sam, before we get into it, have you managed

1816
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 4: to get out of Palmerston North?

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01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 21: You can't associate everything in the central North Island with

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01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 21: palms North. There was New Plumber Actually, you know, I

1819
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 21: did get out of there. It's a lot a lot better.

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01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 4: But hold on, were you waiting for nine hours?

1821
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 2: Yes?

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01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 4: Oh mate? What time do you get out?

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01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 21: We we got out of there about three thirty four o'clock.

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01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 4: Oh yeah it. Oh, I'm pleased to get out though.

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01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:02,640
Speaker 14: Hey.

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01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,560
Speaker 21: By the way, I love naki the naki though, so

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01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 21: I was very happy to be there for that extra time.

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01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 4: Isn't it like if you're going to be trapped in

1829
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 4: a small rural town. Well, when I say small, it's

1830
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 4: a small rural city. New Plymbus would be one of

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01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 4: the ones that you'd be quite happy to be trapped

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01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 4: in because they've got a great hotel, that's the Nice Hotel,

1833
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 4: and then all these wonderful places to eat.

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Speaker 2: A it's one number one, yep.

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Speaker 4: Did you stay at the Nice Hotel?

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01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 2: No?

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01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 21: But it's just one number number one region in the country.

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01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 4: I totally agree with you. Anyway, listen to the important

1839
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 4: stuff when you say that these quality stocks are cheap.

1840
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 4: What do you mean by that?

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01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 21: Yes, probably best to give you just a couple of factoids.

1842
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,759
Speaker 21: So the last six months in the US, companies making

1843
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 21: no profits or losses are up about forty percent, and

1844
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 21: companies that actually make a profit, which is typically a

1845
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 21: pretty key threshold for being a quality company, a barely

1846
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 21: up ten percent. And if you broaden out that measure

1847
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 21: of quality to things like strong balance sheets, ability to

1848
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 21: convert any profits you do get into cash pretty easily,

1849
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 21: and just all around good corporate governance, the difference is

1850
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 21: even more stark. So low quality companies have outperformed high

1851
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 21: quality by forty percent in the last six months. And

1852
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 21: that's the most extreme move we've sent in thirty years.

1853
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 21: So this dash for trash, as the market calls it,

1854
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 21: has left quality companies behind and left them looking very attractive.

1855
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 4: Why is healthcare so unloved right now?

1856
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: Yes?

1857
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 21: Well, you and I talked about this back in July,

1858
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 21: and very quickly. US overall debt levels are about one

1859
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 21: hundred and twenty five percent of GDP, and the US

1860
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 21: healthcare expenditure is a key component of that. So the

1861
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 21: US spends about twice the OECD average, and remember that's

1862
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 21: about five trillion dollars, and about a trillion of that

1863
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 21: is wasted on administrative bloat and unnecessary complexity.

1864
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Speaker 2: And the Trump administration.

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01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 21: Rightly so it was trying to crack down on some

1866
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 21: of that wastage and the very high drug prices the

1867
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 21: US charges, and that's caught up all of healthcare in

1868
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 21: its wake, not just the companies that are part of

1869
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 21: the problem, like farmer companies that charge high drug prices

1870
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 21: or administrative companies that are part of that bloat, but

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01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 21: in some case is the companies that are part of

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01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 21: the solution as well, those those companies that have products

1873
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 21: that cut costs and shortened hospitals to stay. So that's

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01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 21: that's allowing the sort of the opportunity there.

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01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 2: At the moment.

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01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 4: One of the facts that you've thrown at me, which

1877
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 4: I find quite alarming, is that forty percent of the

1878
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,759
Speaker 4: US market value is in ten stocks. Now, how risky

1879
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 4: is that for passive investors?

1880
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 21: Yes, forty percent and ten stocks thirty percent and five

1881
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 21: And we know that that the AI boom has driven investors,

1882
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,959
Speaker 21: at least initially towards the MAG seven. The MAG seven

1883
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 21: accounts for seventy five percent of market returns, eighty five

1884
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 21: percent of the growth and profits, and ninety five percent

1885
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 21: of the growth and capital expenditure in the US at

1886
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,759
Speaker 21: the moment. So that's all the expenditure going on data centers.

1887
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 21: So you compare that with so that's the highest ever

1888
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 21: I guess going back two hundred years that forty percent,

1889
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:50,679
Speaker 21: and the dot com boom that number was barely thirty percent.

1890
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 21: So if you invest in a passive fund that replicates

1891
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,560
Speaker 21: the US stock market and you're hoping to get a

1892
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 21: diversified exposure to five hundred companies, you could be in

1893
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 21: for a rude shop because if anything goes wrong with

1894
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 21: one or two, or god for bit, a handful of

1895
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 21: those huge AI focused companies, you won't be getting a

1896
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 21: diversified sort of passive exposure at all.

1897
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,480
Speaker 4: What does all of this mean for investors more broadly.

1898
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 21: Well, I think all these issues were interrelated. So the

1899
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 21: AI boom meant these megacat companies with the prime bende

1900
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 21: fisheries initially because they were the only ones that could

1901
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 21: afford the massive infrastructure spin you and I have spoken

1902
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,759
Speaker 21: about a few times. And then more recently this fomo

1903
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 21: has risen and the market's got on frothy. Investors have

1904
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 21: been chasing lower and lower quality companies, for example, tech

1905
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 21: companies that say they do AI with no profit, and

1906
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 21: as a corollary, typically high quality companies like healthcare and

1907
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 21: many others have not only been left behind, they've actually

1908
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 21: been sold down as a funding source for the foray

1909
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 21: into risky and risky of tech.

1910
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 2: So if you're an.

1911
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 21: Active stock picker, the opposite of a passive investor, there

1912
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 21: are some pretty exciting opportunities around.

1913
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 4: Sam. It's good to talk to you and it's good

1914
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 4: to have you back in Auckland, Sam Dickie of Fisher Funds.

1915
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 4: Do you think you know? Sometimes I wonder what the

1916
01:29:58,680 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 4: hell's wrong with my here?

1917
01:29:59,360 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 6: Do you think that I?

1918
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 4: Is this how the map of the North Island works?

1919
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,839
Speaker 4: In my head? You come down, down, down down across

1920
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 4: the bomb base and then you're in Parmiston North and

1921
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 4: then you take State Highway one through Farmers to North

1922
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 4: He gets to the river Taker's and then you'urine Wellington.

1923
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 4: That's how the North Island works.

1924
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 29: Is that called being a Jaffer, Lord.

1925
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 4: And Parmison North's not even that bad. Like, you know,

1926
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 4: it's okay, it's got a square, it's okay. You know,

1927
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 4: it's not as bad as they say. It's not as

1928
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 4: bad as they say. Anyway, I've been in some nice

1929
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 4: parts of Parmerston North, Like there's one part of Parmasol

1930
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 4: that's got a giant lake they call Taupo. Anyway, Lord,

1931
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 4: I do know I did. I did geography. I did

1932
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 4: when I had time after my home economics, I did

1933
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Speaker 4: do some geography and you know I did. I did.

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Speaker 4: I do know what I'm talking about some of the time. Lord. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: Rob Fife, who was now the chair of Michael Hill

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Speaker 4: Jewler obviously has spoken at the Jeweler's Brand, the Jewelry

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Speaker 4: Brands and Your meeting in Brisbane, yesterna. I thought what

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Speaker 4: he said was quite interesting. He said current economic trading

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Speaker 4: conditions are harder than the global financial crisis. Because he

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Speaker 4: was asked about the acquisition that Michael Hill Julett had

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Speaker 4: done of Bevil's, which is an Australian jewelry brand. They

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Speaker 4: did that a couple of years ago, in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 4: and it's not gone very well for them an underperforming asset,

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Speaker 4: But he said when they made the purchase, they did

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Speaker 4: some analysis on a potential economic downturn should it happen,

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Speaker 4: and they modeled it on the two thousand and eight GFC.

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Speaker 4: But the trading conditions we've had throughout f y twenty

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Speaker 4: four and f y twenty five have proven to be

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Speaker 4: much more challenging than even that GFC period, which I

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Speaker 4: think I found interesting because it's not telling you if

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Speaker 4: you're doing business at the moment, and if you're in

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Speaker 4: retail like some of my family, this is not telling

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Speaker 4: you anything you didn't already know. But when Rob Fife

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Speaker 4: says it, you know that you're not imagining it. Sixteen

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Speaker 4: away from seven see whether it's.

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Speaker 2: Macro, microbe or just playing economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplic Ellen

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Speaker 1: and to Mass for Insurance Investments.

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Speaker 2: You're in good heads.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what Demi Mooores. Demi Mooores had a

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Speaker 4: controversial hot take. I'm going to run you through in

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Speaker 4: a minute thirteen away from seven, right now into Brady

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Speaker 4: our UK correspondence with us Eloinda.

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Speaker 13: Hey, Heather, good to speak to you again.

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Speaker 4: Well, so you were right about them stripping last week

1966
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Speaker 4: about them stripping the titles. Will sort of write about

1967
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Speaker 4: them stripping the titles from Prince Andrew. But by the

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Speaker 4: looks of things, they did not go nearly far enough,

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Speaker 4: because now they're being dragged into this business with the rent,

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Speaker 4: aren't they.

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Speaker 13: He hasn't paid any his entire adult life. That's what

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Speaker 13: we know, discoverer. Prince Andrew has never paid rent, not

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Speaker 13: only on the Royal Lodge where he lives with Sarah

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Speaker 13: ferguson different wings of a huge house and mansion. They've

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Speaker 13: paid no rent there since they moved in twenty three

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Speaker 13: years ago, and then prior to that he was in

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Speaker 13: a place called sunning Hill Park and his mother was

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Speaker 13: picking up the tab. So ultimately the taxpayer has funded

1979
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Speaker 13: Andrew's Well, we've known this. He's paid no rent his

1980
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Speaker 13: entire adult life. Now what's interesting now is during Prime

1981
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 13: Minister's question, the leader of the Liberal Democrats, Ed Davey,

1982
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 13: asked the Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, do you agree we

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Speaker 13: should look at the Crown of State and the living

1984
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Speaker 13: arrangements of Andrew so we can make sure taxpayer's money

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Speaker 13: is being used properly and in terms of looking at

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Speaker 13: the arrangements. What they're calling for is a Select Committee

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Speaker 13: inquiry looking at the Crown of State, which would mean

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Speaker 13: MP's grilling people involved, and technically, theoretically they could drag

1989
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Speaker 13: Andrew before Parliament. Knowing Andrew, he's not going to if

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Speaker 13: you wouldn't cooperate with the FBI over the abuse of

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Speaker 13: young girls, He's not going to want to talk about

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Speaker 13: his own house.

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Speaker 4: How damaging is it though, inda the allegations that when

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Speaker 4: the last time they did one of these Select Committee

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Speaker 4: inquiries twenty years ago, when that happened, the Royals blocked

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Speaker 4: the information from coming out because obviously they were embarrassed

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Speaker 4: by the fact that he didn't pay it. How there

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Speaker 4: How damaging is this to the Royals?

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Speaker 13: I think Andrew is basically a grenade rattling around the

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Speaker 13: dining room for at the moment, and people are kicking

2001
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Speaker 13: it from one end of the room to the next.

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Speaker 13: And I think what William wants is him out completely.

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Speaker 13: Not he's out of the Royal family already. I think

2004
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Speaker 13: what William is pushing for is him into exile. They

2005
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Speaker 13: certainly want him out of that house. I think it's

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Speaker 13: extremely damaging and Charles. You know he's busy. He's gone

2007
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Speaker 13: through cancer treatment, he's trying to keep them and trying

2008
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Speaker 13: to stop the public backlash against his brother. He must

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Speaker 13: be so angry.

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Speaker 4: Now when you say exile, do you do you literally

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Speaker 4: mean out of the country.

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Speaker 13: Yes, yes, what they're talking I was in Westminster yesterday.

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Speaker 13: I was talking to very well connected people and they're

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Speaker 13: saying that it is game over for Andrew. Ahead of

2015
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Speaker 13: steam is building against him which cannot be stopped. That

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Speaker 13: was the phrase yesterday that I heard from someone who's

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Speaker 13: extremely well tapped into government and what they're thinking. And

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Speaker 13: when I say exile, they're talking about some village up

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Speaker 13: a mountain in Switzerland where him and Sarah fergu can

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Speaker 13: go ski and drink wine all day and reminisce about

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Speaker 13: the good old days when the UK taxpayer funded their life.

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Speaker 4: Because there was a little bit of talk for a

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Speaker 4: while there that he would be sent somewhere like the

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Speaker 4: Falklands or something, some sort of Commonwealth arrangement. We're not

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Speaker 4: going to get him lumped on us, are we.

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Speaker 2: No. No relax, relax.

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Speaker 13: The parents of teenage children in New Zealand can relax,

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Speaker 13: I think, and they're going to send them anywhere. I

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Speaker 13: think it'll be Switzerland or there's a royal family in

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Speaker 13: Bahrain who are quite pally with Andrew. Still I know

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Speaker 13: for a fact he's been to visit them in the

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Speaker 13: last two years. He will go somewhere. But in England

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Speaker 13: it's endgame game.

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Speaker 4: All this is nuclear, isn't it. And look, the thing

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Speaker 4: that we were talking about earlier this week was it

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Speaker 4: needed to be dealt with relatively quickly. Otherwise the king

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Speaker 4: was going to be in arriving in Rome to pray

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Speaker 4: with the Pope. Sorry, and all we're doing is talking

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Speaker 4: about Andrew and that is exactly what is happening.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, precisely. So Look, they move at glacial pace, the

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Speaker 13: royal family, and there's Parliament and there's legislation that would

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01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 13: have to be raised through. Why everything has gone in

2043
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 13: a flurry this week, a flurry of activity that hasn't

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Speaker 13: resulted in any decisiveness. Well, the titles have gone is

2045
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 13: because the King is now in Rome. So he arrived

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Speaker 13: last night with Camilla and they're there. It's not a

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Speaker 13: state visit. They are there to see the Pope and

2048
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 13: to pray with Leo. And today you will see very

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Speaker 13: symbolically the head of the Church of England sitting and

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Speaker 13: praying with the head of the global Catholic Church in

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Speaker 13: the Sistine Chapel in Rome, so in the Vaticans, so

2052
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 13: it's hugely significant. The monarch has not prayed with the

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Speaker 13: pope since the sixteenth century, I believe, so half a

2054
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 13: millennia ago. And Charles wants the headline to be you know,

2055
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 13: the other day he went to Manchester to spend time

2056
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 13: at the Jewish community, that synagogue that was attacked. Charles

2057
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 13: is doing his utmost you know, pushing eighty, trying to

2058
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 13: be cancer, trying to stay alive, trying to keep his

2059
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 13: family together, and this brother of his is just destroying everything.

2060
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Speaker 4: Lord, we've all got one, well, none of us have

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01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 4: got and Andrew have we da? Thank you very much appreciated.

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Speaker 4: Endo Brady, UK correspondent. By the way, staying in the UK,

2063
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 4: that one end, one out migrant screen scheme is really

2064
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 4: not working because there's a guy who landed in the

2065
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 4: UK and then was sent over to France under the

2066
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 4: scheme and then it just hopped on a small boat

2067
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 4: and went back to the UK. So not working. Eight

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Speaker 4: away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 4: Hither, I met you years ago and live in you

2072
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 4: know where that is I do jacks. It's Low and

2073
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 4: Lower Parmeston, North Hither tell Sam Dickie that a factoid

2074
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 4: is something that is false that, after being repeated over

2075
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 4: and over, becomes accepted as fact. This is a classic

2076
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 4: example of why Erica Stanford is pushing it English, et

2077
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 4: cetera over home economics. Off, Peter, you almost had me

2078
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 4: at the home economics argument, but actually you are correct.

2079
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 4: A factoid in English English is something that is, you know,

2080
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:02,719
Speaker 4: as you say, repeated to the point of being accepted

2081
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 4: as fact. But in North America, a factoid as a

2082
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 4: brief or trivial piece of news or information. So he

2083
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 4: was also using it in that sense correctly, and he

2084
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 4: spent a lot of time with the Americans lately. Now

2085
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 4: this is the controversial hot take from Demi Moore. She's

2086
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 4: given an interview because she has been named as Glamour

2087
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Speaker 4: Magazine's Women of the Year, and she said in it

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01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 4: that women desexualize themselves after menopause by cutting their hair

2089
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Speaker 4: into masculine haircuts. She said. We often hear that as

2090
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 4: women get older they shouldn't have long hair, and for

2091
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 4: some reason, to me, I didn't buy it. I didn't

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01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 4: believe it, and it didn't make any sense to me

2093
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Speaker 4: why that had to be the case. And I did notice,

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01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 4: particularly women who were going through menopause, that they were

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01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 4: all kind of cutting their hair in a very almost

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Speaker 4: masculine way, just desexualizing themselves. And I thought, bold call

2097
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 4: from you, Demi. Bold call because Demi's worn the masculine

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01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 4: haircut looked bloody hot doing it. And also, I mean,

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01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 4: come on, there is like have you seen how long

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01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 4: her hair? Her hair hangs below her boobs. That's too

2101
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 4: too long for her age. Actually, I think her short

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Speaker 4: back in sides on a woman postmenopause is quite an

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01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,799
Speaker 4: attractive fetching thing. Ants do you want to comment?

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Speaker 29: Look, I think this one might be a trap, But

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Speaker 29: all I will say is that demiwalk could try as

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Speaker 29: how as she and I don't think.

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Speaker 4: She could be sexualize her her hair.

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Speaker 29: She is so good looking just naturally that she would

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Speaker 29: really struggle hot Babe Sunday, bloody Sunday by you two

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Speaker 29: to play us out tonight. They have been awarded the

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Speaker 29: Woody Guthrie Prize. Woody Guthrie, of course, was a legend

2112
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Speaker 29: of folk music in America, and apparently there's a prize

2113
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 29: that bears his name. There's a Woody Guthrie Center that

2114
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 29: hand the prize out every year and it's presented to

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Speaker 29: an artist who reflects the spirit of him by being

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01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:41,720
Speaker 29: a champion for the voiceless, shining a light on the world,

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Speaker 29: showing us what needs to be fixed. So I bet

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Speaker 29: Bono is stoked to win this one. I bet I

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01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 29: think he would probably take this over any other award

2120
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Speaker 29: in the world. So yeah, him and the Edge actually

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01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:52,640
Speaker 29: went to collect the ward in Oklahoma. This is one

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Speaker 29: of the songs they performed the.

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Speaker 4: Right So what's the decision am I doing with gov?

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Speaker 4: It's not a trap? Oh okay, I'm not asking you if

2125
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Speaker 4: from fat Well.

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Speaker 29: I mean, I'm just going to do the boring response

2127
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 29: and say you have to check with your doctor first.

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Speaker 4: John, John, what do you reckon? Yeah? Yeah, no, okay,

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Speaker 4: Germans is I have to do it because she just

2130
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 4: wants to see how this all plays out. You're going

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Speaker 4: to be you're holding my hair back if I'm.

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Speaker 29: Following like the devil and the Angel on your shoulder,

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Speaker 29: isn't it.

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Speaker 4: This is terrible. Okay, yeah, you know what I think. Goodbye,

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Speaker 4: Let's do it? Why not?

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Speaker 14: Y yo?

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Speaker 2: Loo?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm onto it with the doctor next week. See

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Speaker 4: you tomorrow.

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