1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: So New Zealand on air as in the taxpayer branching 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: out of this funding of reality Telly, So you've got 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: traitors in New Zealand and Celebrity Treasure Island both getting 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: well and excessive a million dollars each after TV and 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: C and three apparently threatened to can them. Iron Gardens, 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: president of the Screen Producers Association, and is back, well, 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: there's Iron Morning the Morning. 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: Mate. 9 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: How do you know when you're sitting there looking to 10 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: hand out money and TVNZ comes to you and go 11 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: tell you what if you don't give us money, We're 12 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: going to can them, whether they're bluffing or not. 13 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 2: Ah. Man, money's so tired at the moment. The conversations 14 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: are pretty intense, So I don't think there's a lot 15 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: of buffing going on. I think we're all kind of 16 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: working together. It's become a very united industry really, because 17 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: the common enemy now is the International Streaming Agency is 18 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: kind of stealing all of our ad rev and that's 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: the background to this, that's the background to ends it 20 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: on are going a wee bit broader, and it's remit 21 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: from the more public goods sort of things it's done before. 22 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: It's just so little commercial money around now at the networks. 23 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: We'll tell us how because back in my day, Irene, 24 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: if you're. 25 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: Stuck, made lots of funny. I made a heap. 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: Anyway, Celebrity Treasure Island goes. 27 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 28 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: I've never watched it, obviously, but you put it primetime 29 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: TV too, right? Are you telling me that you cannot 30 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: put a television program on primetime TV two and not 31 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: celebdvertising around that that covers it anymore? 32 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: Not anymore? No way, not anymore. No, I'm not lying. 33 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: They cut about fifty million out of spending on local 34 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: production last year across the two main channels. It's really 35 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: desperate out there. The ad river is just so low, 36 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: and it's because of big tech, and it's gone completely 37 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: unregulated and it's incredibly tough, and you know, to reassure people, 38 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: I mean, this is not entered on air, you know, 39 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: doing a race to the bottom. I mean you use 40 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: the term reality, and yes, technically I guess they are. 41 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: But you know, the Traders is pretty sophisticated entertainment format 42 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: that's pretty well made. 43 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't right, Can I be also without insuling my 44 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: jorage of friend Paul Henry Traders didn't rate on TV three, 45 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: not much rates on TV three, whereas Celebrity Treasure Island. 46 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: Celebrity Treasure Island does rate yes and pure numbers. Celebrity 47 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: would be traders all day long, every day of the week, 48 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't it. 49 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: And Celebrity Treasure Island is also a really good vehicle 50 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 2: for New Zealand talent and humor and all of that. 51 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: I would argue with you about the ratings of Traders. 52 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: I think bearing in mind what free to wear ratings 53 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: are at the moment and what it also did online, 54 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: it actually did very well and it is definitely a 55 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: viewer favors. Also, the New zeal versions also thought of 56 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: as one of the best in the world, and it 57 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: is selling. And see that's that's the area where the 58 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: growth is starting to happen. If you can start to 59 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: get more international sales, more international money, then inded on 60 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: there's contribution can reduce fair enough. But yeah, it's a 61 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: heck of a time for ended on air. Honestly, the 62 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: pressure on them for the decisions at the moment is intense. 63 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: Should I go on Celebrity Treasure Island give them. 64 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: The help, well, that would be entirely up to you right. 65 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: It invited me on a number of years ago. But 66 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, they don't pay any money. And I'm, you know, like, 67 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: go on, would I don't think so? 68 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: Probably wins? 69 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: I reckon, I probably would. 70 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: Iren. 71 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you, Iren Gardener, who's the president 72 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: of the Screen Production Development Association. See now I can't 73 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: do it because if I went on and won, everyone go, 74 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: oh that's rigged. Don't you have to form alliances on 75 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: those sorts of shows? No Alliance of one. I'd change 76 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: the format. 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