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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Do p seel Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we're

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Speaker 3: going to speak to Green Party leader Chloe saw Brick

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Speaker 3: about that alternative budget, the Auckland Depity Mayor Disley Simpson

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Speaker 3: about the asbestos problem at Auckland Museum, and another organization

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Speaker 3: barred from going into the budget lock up. This time

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Speaker 3: it is Infrastructure New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: To Heather Do for c Alan jeez.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to know what labor are saying behind closed

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Speaker 3: doors about the Green Party's alternative budget released today. I

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Speaker 3: mean that's sort of playing nice in public, but behind

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Speaker 3: closed doors they must be tearing their hair up because

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Speaker 3: this is next level crazy. I mean, none of it

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Speaker 3: is a surprise. It is full of exactly the kind

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Speaker 3: of utopian money grows on trees. When I grow up,

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Speaker 3: I want to be a unicorn kind of stuff that

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Speaker 3: we expect from the Greens. There is a wealth tax,

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Speaker 3: there is an increased companies tax. There is rather there

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Speaker 3: are two personal tax rates, two new personal tax rates.

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Speaker 3: There's a private jet tax, an inheritance tax, doubling the

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Speaker 3: brightline test to bring in more capital gains tax, and

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Speaker 3: a doubling of the minerals tax. They're also going to

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Speaker 3: save some money by cutting planned prisoner beds, but they

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Speaker 3: haven't quite explained how they're going to stop these bad

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Speaker 3: guys actually committing the crimes that land them in prison

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Speaker 3: in the first place. They're going to spend the money

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Speaker 3: on light rail in Auckland, an overnight train from Wellington

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Speaker 3: to Auckland, trains from Auckland to Totunger, trains from christ

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Speaker 3: Church and Eden, trains from Auckland to Hamilton, free GPS,

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Speaker 3: free nursing services, free annual dental checkups, free basic dental care,

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Speaker 3: free prescriptions, free childcare from age six months, free income

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Speaker 3: in the form of a UBI for students and beneficiaries.

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Speaker 3: As I say, just the usual crazy stuff which ninety

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Speaker 3: percent of US voters seem to agree makes them completely

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Speaker 3: unfit to run the country's books. My reaction, obviously has

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Speaker 3: just been to laugh, because you know, I was five

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Speaker 3: of dreams. Labour's reaction must be to cry because this

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Speaker 3: kind of looney nonsense has paraded a serious policy just

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Speaker 3: makes it so much harder for labor to get back

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Speaker 3: into government. I mean, labor will need the Greens much

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Speaker 3: more than they have in the past. Right, we are

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Speaker 3: no longer dealing with the Greens sitting at five percent,

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Speaker 3: even counting the other dollop of crazy that's going to

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Speaker 3: today together.

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Speaker 4: Duper c Lan nine two ninety.

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Speaker 3: Two is the text understandard text fees apply now. Associate

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Speaker 3: Minister of Education David Seymour has announced a one one

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Speaker 3: hundred and forty million dollar funding boost to tackle truancy

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Speaker 3: in schools. Seventeen million dollars will go towards frontline services,

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Speaker 3: while the bulk, which is one hundred and twenty three

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Speaker 3: Now Pat Newman is the principal of Ho To Ho

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Speaker 3: back here?

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Speaker 5: Killer been a while.

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Speaker 3: Has been a while. Now do you like the look

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Speaker 5: Well, I first he leaped up and down. I thought

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Speaker 5: mister Seymour was finally doing something really useful. And then

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Speaker 5: I looked at it, and one hundred and forty million

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Speaker 5: But I then looked at where it's going. He's inventing

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Speaker 5: another bureaucracy. That's where it's going. He's inventing a bureaucracy

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Speaker 5: that has not worked in the past. On that way,

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Speaker 5: we have told him time and time again that the

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Speaker 5: That we don't need big brothers sitting over us from

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Speaker 5: We're actually more skilled than it. The one hundred and

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Speaker 5: about sixty five thousand each. Give it to us and

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Speaker 5: we could do something with it. I could tell you

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Speaker 5: Well, We've already put aside twenty five thousand of our

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you reckon Evan solves the problem, which

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And finally I noticed in this thing, he's noticed

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Speaker 5: So he actually sees that they'll give more money to

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Speaker 5: So to me, it might. The question I've got is

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Speaker 3: Hey, how much of a problem is kids wanting to

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Speaker 5: It's not actually during school time, we're not having that problem.

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Speaker 5: Mums and dads get very excited because the two year

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Speaker 5: to be careful. I'm seventy two, but suddenly might say

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Speaker 5: It's actually from what I see with the experience.

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Speaker 3: And I'm a lot younger than you, and I can

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Speaker 5: There was an ideos meaning what was he meaning? He

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Speaker 5: to get out. He changed as the as the responsors

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Speaker 5: came back. Mister Seymour did change his view to an agreement.

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Speaker 3: What did he want the master to go walk the

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Speaker 5: Well, that's what I was saying. Yeah, And then what

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Speaker 5: I actually said on Breakfast Show quite directly, mister Seymour,

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about this though, because the vibe,

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Speaker 3: Are we doing enough? When we see kids wandering around

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Speaker 5: I look, we ran it very successfully. Then we ran

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Speaker 3: But why can't we do it? We're parents, we're grandparents.

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Speaker 3: Why can't we If we see snotty little Johnny will

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Speaker 5: It would be really nice, and we were getting that

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Speaker 5: And that's the whole thing of what I was trying

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Speaker 3: You are quite right, and it's actually incumbent. It is

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Speaker 3: always good to talk to you. Thank you, mate. Pat

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Speaker 9: Right now, Hey, does do we talk about sports today

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Speaker 9: as opposed to shoes, wonderpants everything else?

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Speaker 3: Actually, I'll tell you what I'm hi, are we Joe?

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Speaker 3: I am fascinated by this Nathan our Forage. What do

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Speaker 9: Well, he's successful, he's an Australian. He was with the

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Speaker 9: team last time around when they won or defended the

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Speaker 9: America's Cup, so he knows what's going on. He understands

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Speaker 10: Bit of a guy who's been.

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Speaker 11: He's been.

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Speaker 10: He's sailed with a number of teams in the America's Cups.

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Speaker 10: Who knows it.

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Speaker 9: But he's an Englishman, right, So the big thing here,

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Speaker 9: and this is in my humble opinion, and people might

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Speaker 9: might go back to that. But the rules of engagement,

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Speaker 9: the protocol has not been set yet. It's coming out soon.

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Speaker 9: Around eligibility now, I believe that back for a while

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Speaker 9: there they were like, no, we want New Zealanders running

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Speaker 9: for Team New Zealand. Allow one or two other passport members,

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Speaker 9: but otherwise it needs to be a New Zealand representative team.

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Speaker 9: Now that hasn't been settled yet between the defender and

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Speaker 10: To be held.

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Speaker 9: So I think they looked at in a bitter early

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Speaker 9: That makes it difficult when suddenly the best news surely,

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Speaker 3: That'd be Uh, Heather, do you have to refer to

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Speaker 3: Yep, she said the word in parliament. I went back

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Speaker 1: Again having the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 6: Sa'd be o dart.

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Speaker 3: Malca, aren't you fo darting American.

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Speaker 4: Said the name crazy.

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you cover it? Anyway? We'll see if once

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Speaker 3: they do it in the old Parliament, once they say

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Speaker 3: the dinner table, isn't it. So anyway, we'll see how

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Speaker 3: that goes tonight. I have to run you through by

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Speaker 3: the we're going to talk to Chloe after five, and

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Speaker 3: going to be fascinated by what the planning should they

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Speaker 3: you'll be fascinated by what they're planning to do to

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on newstalks.

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Speaker 3: They'd drive big announcement from Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Ordering the cessation of sanctions against Syria in order to

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Speaker 10: The sanctions were.

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Speaker 6: Brutal and crippling and served.

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Speaker 9: As an important really an important function nevertheless at the time.

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Speaker 10: But now it's their time to Shane. It's their time

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Speaker 3: in Australia, the City of Sydney has banned events in parks.

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Speaker 12: Yeah. I think she's made a big mistake here, and these,

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Speaker 3: And finally the government of Saudi Arabia has just really

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Speaker 1: Just years International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace

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Speaker 3: Dan the Simson, US correspondence with US Now, Hello Dan, Hi, Heather? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: how much are you loving having him out of the country.

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Speaker 3: He's still making news.

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Speaker 6: He's still making news.

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Speaker 13: You know, it always comes back to making him look good.

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Speaker 13: And I had a feeling he was going to be

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Speaker 3: And how has it gone down, this plan to lift

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Speaker 3: the sanctions on Syria.

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Speaker 13: I think it's a little mixed. I mean, it's interesting

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Speaker 13: But again, I think this is going to be something

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Speaker 13: anything come about of it? Maybe will his prayer, will

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Speaker 13: his successor reverse this? Possibly we'll have to see. You know,

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Speaker 13: who's who's in office in three and a half years.

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Speaker 3: Is he to go to that meeting with Zelenski and

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Speaker 3: Posian I don't know.

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Speaker 13: There's been a lot of talk about that back and

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Speaker 13: But It's just really hard to see Putin getting together

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Speaker 13: but the three of them together, boy, now that would

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Speaker 3: Hey, listen, So what are the chances that these Menindi's

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Speaker 13: You know what are They're in their late fifties, I think,

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Speaker 13: I mean, there's there's a chance. There has to be

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Speaker 13: lot of people that hold grudges against them, you know,

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Speaker 13: murdering their their their parents. Despite them saying that they

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Speaker 13: were you know, sexually abused as kids, and this is

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Speaker 13: the reason why. But there are also other people that

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Speaker 13: are coming forward that we hadn't heard from before right

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Speaker 13: now saying, you know what these guys have done their time.

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Speaker 13: They deserve to be free.

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Speaker 3: Now talk to me about this book that has some

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Speaker 3: allegations about the attempts that were made to hide Biden

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Speaker 3: kind of slipping further and further away.

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Speaker 14: What do we know?

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Speaker 13: I mean, I got to I got to tell you

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Speaker 13: how the I mean, we've heard a lot of this

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Speaker 13: stuff before. What we haven't, or at least I haven't heard,

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Speaker 13: was the fact that they were they wanted him in

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Speaker 13: a wheelchair, which is I think one of the most

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Speaker 13: notable disclosures.

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Speaker 3: Was in the wheelchair? Was it because he kept fo.

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Speaker 13: Yeah exactly, And they said.

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Speaker 3: That's the opposite.

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Speaker 13: I know, I know, and apparently I mean it's again

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Speaker 13: I think it goes back to that close circle, including

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Speaker 13: his wife. But but they said, well, we can't have

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Speaker 13: him in a wheel chair before the election, but we

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Speaker 13: do have a plan to have him in a wheelchair

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Speaker 13: after he got elected. If he got elected.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Wow, why did he have to be in a wheelchair.

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Speaker 13: Just because of his his well not just his cognitive

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Speaker 13: but his physical disabilities. I mean, they were saying that

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Speaker 13: the evidence of aging was just overwhelming right there. I mean,

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Speaker 13: he didn't even recognize George Clooney at a fundraiser that

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Speaker 13: Clooney was hosting for or allegendly didn't recognize him for

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Speaker 13: you know, for and he was one of his closest

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Speaker 13: Hollywood friends. And then they did this interview, the president

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Speaker 13: and his wife on the view a couple of weeks back,

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Speaker 13: pushing back on all these suggestions that he had this

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Speaker 13: cognitive decline but honestly had this. This has been one

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Speaker 13: of the worst political secrets in political circles for several years.

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Speaker 13: And I think Biden and his wife would go to

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Speaker 13: their graves denying that he wasn't up for the job

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Speaker 13: or should have been pulled out of the race sooner.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was clear, though, wasn't that?

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Speaker 12: Hy Dan?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? I really appreciated Dan Mitchinson US correspond well, hither,

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Speaker 3: I cannot wait to hear innovative ways the thieve and

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Speaker 3: Greens will spend other people's money. Will allow me first

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Speaker 3: to tell you how they're going to take your money.

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Speaker 3: So the first plan in their alternative bourget budget is

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Speaker 3: a two point five percent tax on wealth over two

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Speaker 3: million dollars. Now what that is basically, so that's net

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Speaker 3: net assets. So let's say you own a property and

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Speaker 3: this is not like a remarkable thing in Auckland and

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Speaker 3: Central Auckland. Let's say you own a property worth two

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Speaker 3: point five million and your mortgage is half a million.

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Speaker 3: Then your net assets obviously you know two million. They're

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Speaker 3: going to start taxing that two and a half percent.

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Speaker 3: It's two and a half percent per person. So well

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Speaker 3: it's two and a half. It's two million per person.

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Speaker 3: So if you're a couple, you get four million before

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Speaker 3: they start taxing. If you're a solo mum, that coming

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Speaker 3: for you two million before they start taxing you. The

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Speaker 3: thirty nine percent tax rate that we currently have will

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Speaker 3: now kick in much earlier. At one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars. There will be a forty five percent tax

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Speaker 3: rate which will now cack at one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars. The company's tax rate will be lifted to

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Speaker 3: thirty three percent. There will be a private jet tax

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Speaker 3: of five percent per person. So you've got a jet

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Speaker 3: with twelve of your friends on at flying to Auckland.

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Speaker 3: That's a sixty thousand tax right there. They're going to

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Speaker 3: double the minerals royalty as well. There will also be

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Speaker 3: an inheritance tax of thirty three percent, which will apply

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Speaker 3: to significant gifts and inheritance received over an accumulated lifetime

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Speaker 3: threshold of one million dollars, similar to Ireland's capital acquisitions tax.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you know what I reckon. They had

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Speaker 3: a lot of fun putting this budget together, Like I

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Speaker 3: can just this is the kind of fun thing. It

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Speaker 3: it's kind of fun thing that you would have done

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Speaker 3: in politics one oh one when you're at university, you know,

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Speaker 3: go around to your Maiz's house, smoke a giant bong,

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Speaker 3: drink some RTDs and write your dream budget. Except most

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Speaker 3: of us at university would have just you know, thrown

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Speaker 3: it away when we grew up and moved out of

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Speaker 3: that flat. They published it at the Greens sixteen away

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Speaker 3: from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: Jason wolves up political editors with me.

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Speaker 4: Now, hey, Jason, hey, have are you going to trash

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Speaker 4: me for twenty minutes after I've finished my cross with

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Speaker 4: you today? Or is that only a yesterday thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh have you been have you been feeling sore about it?

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Speaker 5: This whole saw?

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even.

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Speaker 3: Finished with you. You wait until six thirty when I'm

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Speaker 3: going to rip into you again.

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Speaker 4: I wait with baited breath, and I'm sure you're gonna

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Speaker 4: let me come back on to have my right reply.

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Speaker 14: Right.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. You didn't you get your slot at

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Speaker 3: this time? And even then you should be lucky that

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Speaker 3: you've got it. Jason Thanky, Hey, tell me what happened

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Speaker 3: when she said the word, because it sounded like it

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Speaker 3: went completely silent.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. The air from the room just evaporated,

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Speaker 4: because it is the first time that we've heard any

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Speaker 4: MP in the house say the word. And that's the

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Speaker 4: sea word, and you know the word that I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: The air just evaporated from the room. And I was

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Speaker 4: up in the house watching everybody just kind of pulled

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Speaker 4: back a little bit because they couldn't believe that it happened.

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Speaker 4: That was apart from the act MPs that obviously knew

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Speaker 4: that it was going to go how it was going

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Speaker 4: to go down. And I was told by my colleagues

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Speaker 4: down here who were in the corridor of the Press

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Speaker 4: Gallery offices, that you heard sort of the ripple throughout

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Speaker 4: the entire corridor of people that were watching on Parliament TV.

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Speaker 4: And it was almost like the air had been taken

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Speaker 4: away down here as well. But it was one heck

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Speaker 4: and sorry, one heck of an afternoon because it started

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Speaker 4: with jan Toinetti for god knows what reason decided to

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Speaker 4: ask about that Andrea Vance Sunday Star Times piece over

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Speaker 4: the weekend. Why I don't know, haven't listened to how

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Speaker 4: it went down in the house.

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Speaker 15: Does she agree with Andrea Vance who said about the

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Speaker 15: Equal Pay Amendment bill quote, it is a curious feminist moment,

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Speaker 15: isn't it. Six skill bosses, Willis who hyped squad, Judith Collins,

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Speaker 15: Eric Stanford, Louise Uston, Nikola Gregg and Brook Van Velden

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Speaker 15: all united in a historic act of economic backhanding other women.

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Speaker 6: Quote.

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Speaker 4: So when you hear it like that, it's very and

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Speaker 4: you're wondering why Labor's dredging this back up because it's

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Speaker 4: going to backfire on them, And oh boy did it.

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Speaker 4: After some back and forth that was about whether or

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Speaker 4: not Brooke was allowed to answer the part of the

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Speaker 4: question she hit back with the speaker with this.

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Speaker 7: Brooklyn, mister speaker, I'm a strong woman, and I can

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Speaker 7: speak for myself.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, that's good and you only get to do that,

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Speaker 12: and so.

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Speaker 4: You can hear the applause in the background, and you

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Speaker 4: know what, good for brook So after some more back

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Speaker 4: and forth, she got the opportunity to respond, and hear

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Speaker 4: she did.

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Speaker 7: And I do not agree with the clearly gendered and

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Speaker 7: patronizing language that Andrea Advance used to reduce senior cabinet

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Speaker 7: ministers to girl busses, height squads, references.

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Speaker 14: To girl math and.

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Speaker 4: Making sure I had the right clip there. That could

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Speaker 4: have been a disaster. But obviously, as I said, so fine.

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Speaker 3: It's fine nowadays if the media use that word, don't you.

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Speaker 4: Know what apparently it is. But after question time here's

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Speaker 4: what she told reporters.

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Speaker 7: We should not need to face misogynistic abuse. And I've

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Speaker 7: been standing up for myself and for other female senior members.

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Speaker 14: Of this cabinet.

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Speaker 4: Now, despite all of this going on, Labor Leader Chris

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Speaker 4: Hopkins has still yet to weigh in on the language

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Speaker 4: used on that column and say anything negative about.

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Speaker 16: It at all.

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Speaker 3: That I'm not going to criticize the editorial decisions of newspapers.

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Speaker 1: They often newspapers often publish things I disagree with, and

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Speaker 1: that's the nature of democracy.

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Speaker 3: We live in a free country.

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Speaker 1: We live in a country of free speech.

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Speaker 4: So I think the labor's absolutely butchered it today. I

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Speaker 4: can't believe how badly this is backfight on them.

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Speaker 3: It's right as a shocker. Hey, and what about the Greens.

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Speaker 3: What's your favorite thing in their absolutely nutty unicorn budget?

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Speaker 4: How much time do you have? Let me count the

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Speaker 4: reasons I reckon.

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Speaker 3: The jet tax is the favorite.

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Speaker 4: The jet tax is good, which is a five thousand tax,

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Speaker 4: five thousand per person tax here and then five thousand

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Speaker 4: per person when you leave as well. Listen, this is

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Speaker 4: not going to happen. Eighty eight billion dollars worth of

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Speaker 4: d taxes, as well as taking the government's debt fifty

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Speaker 4: three point eight percent of GDP currently around forty percent.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of money.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what my favorite thing about today was

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Speaker 4: listening to the government parties react to this, because they

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Speaker 4: were clearly having quite a lot of fun. Have listened

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Speaker 4: to Seymour.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is just left wing trump Ism.

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Speaker 17: It's South Pacific populism, which says your problems are caused

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Speaker 17: by this success. We're going to pull them down in

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Speaker 17: order to solve your problems.

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Speaker 4: Chris Luxon wasn't very happy either. Oh, it's actually clown

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Speaker 4: show economics is what it is.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's an absolute circus.

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Speaker 4: And of course we had Winston Raymond Peters.

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Speaker 8: Well, I got the manifesto by Clay Marx and Marama Ingles.

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Speaker 4: And so at that point he pulled out a copy

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Speaker 4: of the Greens policy and on the front was replaced

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Speaker 4: with a big red page with a hammer and stickle

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Speaker 4: on the front of it. So he's had a fun

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Speaker 4: day as Winston.

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Speaker 12: Oh we all.

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Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, quickly, do you want to tell

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Speaker 3: everybody what you text me last night?

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Speaker 4: Ah? Yes I did, I said Heather. I am the

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Speaker 4: chair of the press gallery and if I so choose,

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Speaker 4: I can bar you from the budgets. Stop talking so

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Speaker 4: much trash about me and my opinion, and I stand

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Speaker 4: by it. Heather, who's really a charge here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's right. Yeah, thank you for that, Jason, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Just you go and own that. See that's threatening behavior

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Speaker 3: coming out of Welling to buy everybody of late Jason

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Speaker 3: Wall's political editor here at Newstalk zbaight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast, is.

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Speaker 18: This the coming of age of our super fund set

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Speaker 18: up to ultimately fund our superannuation requirements? Will be making

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Speaker 18: our first withdrawal in twenty twenty eight. Finance Minister Nikola Willis.

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Speaker 19: We've all talked for several years about at a certain

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Speaker 19: point the cost of superannuation will get very high and

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Speaker 19: then we'll need super fun to help.

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Speaker 16: When now, at that.

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Speaker 4: Point does it solve the problem long term?

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Speaker 15: Well, it helps offset the costs of New Zealand superannuation.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, but in what in its golden moments?

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Speaker 18: What percentage will it offset?

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Speaker 14: So it's only going to be about twenty percent of

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Speaker 14: the total.

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Speaker 18: Cost jeez, So we haven't extinguished the debate as to

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Speaker 18: whether we need to retire older yet. Back tomorrow at

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Speaker 18: six am the mic hosking Breakfast with the rain drove

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Speaker 18: of news Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, poor with Jason Walls. He's taking this hardy Why

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Speaker 3: because now he said he's going to listen at six

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Speaker 3: thirty as well to find out how we're going to

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Speaker 3: trash him there. Why we're doing this again at six

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Speaker 3: thirty is that it now turns out that the taxpayer

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Speaker 3: union is threatening legal action if they're not let into

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Speaker 3: the budget lock up. They have written to Treasury they

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Speaker 3: say if they don't get let in for next Thursday,

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Speaker 3: they're going to be taking a judicial review. And we've

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Speaker 3: also discovered that there is another outfit who you would

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Speaker 3: expect would be allowed into the budget lockout because they're

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Speaker 3: so innocuous. Infrastructure New Zealand No not allowed in. So

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to Nick Legan about that after six thirty.

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Speaker 3: Also in Auckland, this business with the museum is turning

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Speaker 3: into quite a big problem with the asbestos. The Deputy

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Speaker 3: Mayor Desley Simpson is getting a briefing right now. She's

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Speaker 3: going to have a chat to us. At quarter past five.

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Speaker 3: Last night, the semi finals of Eurovision and the country

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Speaker 3: to beat is Sweden again. They've won it seven times,

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Speaker 3: but didn't they produce Abba at the Eurovision. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 3: gonna win it again. They've got a band called Kaj.

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Speaker 3: They've got a song called Barah Bada Busto play it

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Speaker 3: ants welly call me Sonar.

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Speaker 5: I could get into that.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like that kind of Ace of Place

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Speaker 3: nineties five about it doesn't it anyway? So yeah, you

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Speaker 3: heard them say solna, because of course they're from Sweden.

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Speaker 3: That's what they do is walk around going, oh look

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Speaker 3: so na sona. It is a hymn to a sauna.

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Speaker 3: And it is three of them who are comedic trio,

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Speaker 3: and it looks like like they're taking the mickey. It's

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Speaker 3: got all the stuff in the video that you would

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Speaker 3: expect from Sweden. You have got the woods, you've got

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Speaker 3: the cabin, you've got the sauna. Anyway, Tauna, have you

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Speaker 3: got some more of an ants?

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Speaker 6: Here?

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Speaker 14: You go enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story going.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be hey, good afternoon. The Greens have revealed their

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Speaker 3: alternative budget. It's full of new taxes. There's a wealth tax,

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Speaker 3: a jet tax and inheritance tax, to new income tax rates,

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Speaker 3: a higher companies tax, and it's full of freebies. Free

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Speaker 3: GP visits, free annual dental health checkups, free basic dental care,

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Speaker 3: free childcare for kids as young as six months. Chloe

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Speaker 3: Swarbrick is the Green Party co leader with us. Now, Hey, Chloe, Chloe,

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Speaker 3: why do you waste your time with crap like this

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Speaker 3: is not going to happen.

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Speaker 19: The point here is to set the agenda and to

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Speaker 19: show New Zealander is the kind of country that we

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Speaker 19: actually can have if we want to fight for it,

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Speaker 19: and just actually on your point around taxes and what

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Speaker 19: we're deciding to spend them on, I think we should

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Speaker 19: just take a step back and reflect on the reality

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Speaker 19: that very few people individually have the resources to build

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Speaker 19: schools or hospitals, or actually even to pay for the

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Speaker 19: real cost of eighteen years worth of education or for

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Speaker 19: a loved one's cancer treatment.

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Speaker 14: That is why we pull our.

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Speaker 19: Resource resources together through this thing that we call tax

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Speaker 19: so that we can build and own things together, which

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Speaker 19: would be very difficult for almost any of us to

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Speaker 19: do alone. That's the point of being Zealand.

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Speaker 3: In order to do what you want to do and

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Speaker 3: give freebes to everybody, you're going to be taxing nurses,

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Speaker 3: aren't you seenior nurses at thirty nine percent? Is that

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Speaker 3: a good idea?

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Speaker 19: We are, through our tax changes, proposing that ninety one

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Speaker 19: percent of the population will pay lower income tax and

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Speaker 19: I'd encourage everybody to go on to our online calculator

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Speaker 19: to see how these tax changes would make them better off.

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Speaker 3: But also so you can't tell me that senior nurse

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Speaker 3: is owning enough money as it is right now. Now

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Speaker 3: you want to whack greater tacks on them.

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Speaker 19: The point that we're making here is that we can

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Speaker 19: have a fair attack system and in life care with you,

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Speaker 19: we can fund the services that all New Zealanders ultimately

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Speaker 19: rely on. Nurses, firefighters, regular New Zealanders all need to

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Speaker 19: go to the GP.

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Speaker 14: The GP we are saying should be free.

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Speaker 19: Families should be able to send their kids to high

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Speaker 19: quality early childhood education for free. We should be able

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Speaker 19: to have freed dentistry, and we should all be able

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Speaker 19: to have a stable climate that we are passing on

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Speaker 19: to future generations. These are the things that are possible

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Speaker 19: if we're grown ups about the issues that we are

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Speaker 19: facing as a country. And yes it is going to

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Speaker 19: take serious investment, Yes we are going to have to

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Speaker 19: pay for it, but this is the reality of the

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Speaker 19: situation and the Greens are the only party with the

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Speaker 19: backbone willing to confront it.

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Speaker 3: You're wanting to impose a wealth tax of two and

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Speaker 3: a half percent on property on net assets of two million.

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Speaker 3: Right now, you realize that that is going to get

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Speaker 3: hatch families in Auckland because there will be people in

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Speaker 3: Auckland who have a house worth two million and no

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Speaker 3: mortgage on it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: So I want to be clear about us. This is

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Speaker 19: a tax on individual net wealth over two million at

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Speaker 19: a rate of two point five percent, So for a

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Speaker 19: couple that would be over four millions.

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Speaker 3: And what you're doing, Chloe, listened to yourself? What are

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Speaker 3: you doing? Is you're saying, listen, as long as you

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Speaker 3: stay with your drop kick husband, you won't get taxed.

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Speaker 3: But the minute you become a solo mum and stay

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Speaker 3: in that house, we're coming for you.

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Speaker 19: What I'm saying here, though, is that through it, I

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Speaker 19: have thought that through you Okay with that?

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Speaker 3: Are you okay with a mum staying in a house

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Speaker 3: in Auckland as a solo mum suddenly gets pinged because

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Speaker 3: she decides to break up with her husband.

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Speaker 19: I think that unfortunately, oftentimes what should be quite rational

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Speaker 19: and evidence based discussions about the tax system end up

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Speaker 19: being taken to these extremes and.

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Speaker 3: Money Chloe it's our hard earned money.

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Speaker 4: It's not.

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Speaker 3: It's emotional for us.

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Speaker 19: I hear you on that, and that's precisely why we

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Speaker 19: need to have a rational debate about it. Absolutely, people

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Speaker 19: can talk about their lived experiences with these things, but

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Speaker 19: that also needs to reflect. These conversations also need to

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Speaker 19: reflect the fact that our health system is crumbling, our

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Speaker 19: infrastructure is falling apart, and all of that is as

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Speaker 19: a result of decades of under investment from successive government.

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Speaker 19: I tell you, all of us live in the society

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Speaker 19: and we can invest in it.

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Speaker 3: The sooner that you guys realize that emotions are tied

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Speaker 3: up in politics, that the faster you'll actually start putting

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Speaker 3: out stuff that actually makes sense. You realize that, you

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Speaker 3: realize that when you put nonsense like this out, it

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Speaker 3: actually makes the chances of the left getting back into

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Speaker 3: government much lower because no one wants to elect a

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Speaker 3: labor party. That's bolden to you people.

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Speaker 19: Us people being the people who are putting the solutions

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Speaker 19: on the table for the bigger But it's natty, it's naughty.

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Speaker 3: We are now rational people who own assets don't want

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Speaker 3: to vote for this stuff. Therefore, you make chances of

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Speaker 3: left wing government lower if.

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Speaker 19: I can bring you back down to earth on this.

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Speaker 19: So I stood on street corners in Auckland Central during

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Speaker 19: the twenty twenty election. Clinn CenTra, of course, is a suburb.

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Speaker 19: Is an electorate that has suburbs which contain multimillion dollar properties.

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Speaker 19: And I stood on street corners in those environments, in

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Speaker 19: Ponsomby and Saint Mary's Bay and otherwise, and I spoke

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Speaker 19: to people about the reality of what the wealth tax

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Speaker 19: would actually mean. And yes, it does mean that those

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Speaker 19: who hold that amount of wealth are going to be

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Speaker 19: captured by that wealth tax. But the trade off that

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Speaker 19: we get for that investment is that we have the

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Speaker 19: opportunity to end homelessness and poverty in this country. We

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Speaker 19: have the opportunity to cand food and security.

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Speaker 3: That is never going to happen. And you know that

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Speaker 3: this is just nonsense, the idea that we can end

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Speaker 3: poverty and homelessness ebitt.

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Speaker 19: We took the approach after the World Wars and the

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Speaker 19: Great Depression to invest in public education, public health care,

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Speaker 19: public housing, and the public safety net, all of which

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Speaker 19: produced the decades followings and were paid for, I might add,

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Speaker 19: by higher taxes on those who had profited handsomely during

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Speaker 19: a time of hardj it for many that created a

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Speaker 19: period by which even those who are having a hard

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Speaker 19: time were able to participate in society and get the

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Speaker 19: necessary social mobility so that they could live a good

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Speaker 19: life in the future. This is actually about ensuring that

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Speaker 19: all New Zealanders get a fair go, and I think

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Speaker 19: that's pretty common sense.

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Speaker 3: Chloe, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Chloe Swarbrick. Green Party co leader.

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Speaker 10: Heather do for Cee Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah to Brook van Valden, workplace minister who this afternoon

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Speaker 3: hit back at misogynistic attacks against her and other female ministers,

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Speaker 3: and I.

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Speaker 7: Do not agree with the clearly gendered and patronizing language

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Speaker 7: that Andrea Advance used to reduce senior cabinet ministers to

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Speaker 7: girl bosses, height squads, references to girl math.

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Speaker 3: And yep, sea word in the house after Labor's Jantinetti

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Speaker 3: asked her if she agreed with the now infamous Colin

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Speaker 3: Brook van Walden is with us? Now, Hey Brook, Hey ever,

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Speaker 3: you obviously wanted to say the sea word, isn't there?

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Speaker 7: Well, Look, the main point that I was trying to

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Speaker 7: raise this afternoon is, you know, Labor intentionally brought what

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Speaker 7: is a very misogynous article to the debating chamber to

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Speaker 7: make pointed attacks at the government. And I wanted to

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Speaker 7: stand up for myself and stand up for all of

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Speaker 7: the other female cabinet ministers that it's not okay that

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Speaker 7: we have misogynistic abuse and it's not okay that it

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Speaker 7: was brought into the chamber. So I thought, let's hold

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Speaker 7: up a mirror here to Labor to show exactly what

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Speaker 7: they are actually bringing to the chamber.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I'll tell you what I found surprising in the

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Speaker 3: last few days is how quick Labor were to attack

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Speaker 3: people who had any the triol directed at just Cindadun

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Speaker 3: or any of their side, but how silent they are

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Speaker 3: on this. And this is the worst kind of thing

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Speaker 3: you can say about a woman. Are you surprised?

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Speaker 7: I am surprised because I would hope that we're better

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Speaker 7: than this. You know, it doesn't matter who it is

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Speaker 7: in Parliament. I would never support them having, you know,

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Speaker 7: misogynistic slurs thrown around or intentionally try to bring that

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Speaker 7: into the debating chamber. You know, for me, we should

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Speaker 7: have basic respect and decorum for every member of Parliament. Also,

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Speaker 7: I think we have a role as leaders in our

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Speaker 7: country to set an example, and I'm really disappointed that

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Speaker 7: that doesn't go across all of Parliament. You think of

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Speaker 7: all of the young women who could have potentially been

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Speaker 7: reading that article and thinking, well, maybe I don't actually

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Speaker 7: want to stand for parliament, maybe I don't want to

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Speaker 7: be a senior woman if this is what it means.

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Speaker 7: And so I'm heading back and saying, look, it's not acceptable.

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Speaker 7: You know, we have strong women in our cabinet. They're

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Speaker 7: doing hard work and we shouldn't be subjected to the subuse.

879
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: Brook, thank you very much for talking to us. Appreciate

880
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: at Brook van Valden Workplace Relations Minister quarter past five. Hey,

881
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: now get ready to get yourself by the phone or

882
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: to get yourself online, because the following deal is frankly absurd.

883
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: This isn't going to last and it's not hard to

884
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: see why. It is a nine dollars ninety nine canceled

885
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: export order marlbra saven Yon Loong that honestly would be

886
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: one of the bargain buys of the year, and it's

887
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: available online right now at the Good Wine Co. Their

888
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: website is the Goodwine dot Co dot z now line

889
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 3: is called Southern Lines Marlborosaven twenty saven you're Bloc twenty

890
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: twenty three. And let's just say that the quality that

891
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: you're going to get here for ten bucks a bottle

892
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: is unbeatable. This is a quality Marlborough Savy destined for

893
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: an overseas market, but now being urgently cleared at a

894
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: rock bottom nine ninety nine per bottle. And mark my words,

895
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: you're going to be impressed by this. And it gets better.

896
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 3: Pay just one dollar per case delivery, nationwide conditions apply.

897
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: These are the final stocks of this vintage. This is

898
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: quality Marlboro Savenon Blanc canceled export order nine ninety nine

899
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: per bottle and a dollar per case delivered to your door. Now,

900
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: the phone are going to be ringing hot. So if

901
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: you can't get through, head online the Goodwine dot Co

902
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: dot Inzo Heather do for Sea Ellen Heather. The wealth

903
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: tax could be so would be so easy to avoid.

904
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: Just distribute to the children. Early David the thought of

905
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 3: that too. There's an inheritance tax and it accumulates through

906
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: your life. So I'm going to tax that at thirty

907
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: three percent. Heather read the wealth tax proposal. What about

908
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: the situation of a widow in an expensive mortgage freehouse

909
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 3: and no income other than supers, you'll have to sell

910
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: up to pay the tax. Yeah, but it's the right

911
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: thing to do, and it's about fairness, isn't it. Nineteen

912
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: past five now Maris Beestos has been discovered in Auckland's

913
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: War Memorial Museum. The site has been shut since Saturday,

914
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: with staff working from home. Auckland Deputy Mayor Desley Simpson

915
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 3: has had a briefing this afternoon.

916
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 6: Is with us.

917
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 3: Now, Hey, Desley, gid A, Heather, how are you? I'm

918
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 3: very well, thank you. Do we know when it's going

919
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 3: to open? Look, no, we don't.

920
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 20: I think the museum and staff and the board are

921
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 20: doing the right thing keeping it closed, putting the health

922
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 20: and safety of both Aucklanders and visitors first. So I

923
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 20: think if we go back and look what happened, it

924
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 20: was first found when they were looking at preparatory work

925
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 20: around upgrading the Malorti Court.

926
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 7: And then what.

927
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: Happens is the way you test.

928
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 20: They found us bestos, and the way you test is

929
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 20: you take it from the point that it's found and

930
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 20: you move out, like an onion, further out. And then

931
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 20: they found it in the Pacific Galleries, which was adjacent

932
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 20: to the Maori Court. That wasn't too much of a

933
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 20: problem because I could close both those areas off and

934
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 20: still keep the museum open. But then they found it

935
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Speaker 20: in the Grand Foyer, which was next to the Pacific Galleries,

936
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 20: and the problem there was it was part of the

937
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 20: fire and emergency exit. So they managed to find a

938
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Speaker 20: fire engineer, thank you whoever that was, who worked all

939
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 20: over the weekend and signed off a secondary evacuation plan

940
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 20: because the backup to getting out from the Grand Foyer

941
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 20: was through the two courts that have been that had

942
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 20: been the Pacific Galleries of the Mai Court, right, so

943
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 20: you had to find another one. So that's one problem

944
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 20: they've got. The second problem they've got is getting rid

945
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 20: of it, and of course they're working under a licensed asbestos.

946
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: Assessor to actually get rid of it.

947
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 20: And I want to just say really clearly, there is

948
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 20: no evidence of it being airborne. And I think that's

949
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 20: really important, Heather, because you know, the way the air

950
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 20: conditioning works at the museum is very complex. On one stage,

951
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 20: they've got to keep you know, air conditioning for people,

952
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 20: but actually they have to have humidity levels et cetera.

953
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 20: For the obviously the tongue and the exhibitions and the

954
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 20: really old artifacts that they have there. So it's really

955
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 20: good that it hasn't been found to be airborne based

956
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 20: on all their testing, but it has gathered on sort

957
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 20: of high shelves and mentals and stuff like that.

958
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 10: Thanks.

959
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 3: Thanks for the detail, Disley. What did you support the

960
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 3: co governance and the White tarkeetys?

961
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 20: I think I supported it going out for consultation asking

962
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 20: people what they thought.

963
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 3: Why did you just laugh about that? Is this getting awkward?

964
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 6: Well?

965
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 20: No, I thought we were talking about the museum. That's

966
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 20: also I was just trying to remember that what I've done.

967
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, And also are you running for mayor?

968
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 20: I will make a call on that at the end

969
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 20: of the month or.

970
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 10: At least one weekend.

971
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: You know already tell us no, I'm not going to

972
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: tell you. That's a yes, isn't it. I'm not going

973
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: to I'm not going to tell you. Thanks Dixley appreciated.

974
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: Disney Simpson, TV, Mayor of Auckland, read between the lines.

975
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: Informed inside into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive

976
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand, Let's get connected news talks, they'd.

977
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: Be whipango Trobunal is holding an urgent hearing today into

978
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: the Regulatory Standards Bill. We're going to talk about that

979
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: after the news. It's five twenty five.

980
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 6: Now.

981
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 3: Look, I can't believe that we've had two counselors on

982
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: the show in the last two days, both happy to

983
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: admit that they voted for something without actually knowing what

984
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: they voted for, and even worse, one of them didn't

985
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 3: even know that they'd voted for it. Now, what I'm

986
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: obviously talking about is what I just spoke to Disney

987
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 3: Simpson about, which is the co governance and the white

988
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: Targeted Rangers thing where Auckland Council wants to get Manafino

989
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 3: were involved in them. They make decisions together.

990
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 6: Now.

991
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: Wayne Brown told us when we asked him that he

992
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: hadn't actually supported that, but we told him, well, no,

993
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: actually you did support you voted for it, and oh said,

994
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 3: oh well no. What happened was I left it to

995
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 3: Kin Turner to decide because I had more important things

996
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: to do, like a meeting in Saint Mary's base. And

997
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: then we got Ken Turner on the show yesterday and

998
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: Ken told us, yeah, he did vote for it, but

999
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: he didn't know what he was voting for, and now

1000
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: he regrets voting for it now. To be honest with you,

1001
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 3: I'm not entirely sure that I believe these two guys,

1002
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: because there's a part of me that wonders if they

1003
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: did actually know what they were voting for. But now

1004
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: they're just making excuses because this has got national attention

1005
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: and it's proven controversial. And the reason I'm not sure

1006
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: I believe them is because I don't actually want to

1007
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 3: believe that. We've got two elected officials, one of them

1008
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: being the mayor, who cannot concentrate long enough to know

1009
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: what they're voting for in council meetings. But either way,

1010
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: whether it's true or not, would you admit that publicly?

1011
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: Would you actually admit that publicly if you were in

1012
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: their position. Voters already have so little regard for local

1013
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: government they hardly even turn up to vote. This is

1014
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 3: not going to help it. And this is a mayor

1015
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 3: who is constantly telling us that he wants to be

1016
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 3: taken seriously by central government because he's a mayor of

1017
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: two million people, and yet he's almost proud of the

1018
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: fact that he hasn't got a clue what's going on

1019
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: in the city of two million people. Now, I'm sorry

1020
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: to say this because actually I don't hate what Wayne

1021
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: Brown does, and Ken Turner seems like an awfully nice bloke.

1022
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 3: But this says a lot about the respect that these

1023
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 3: two have for their jobs and the rate payers who

1024
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 3: put them there. They clearly think we don't care if

1025
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: they scive off and then admit to us that they've

1026
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: been doing it. Heather do for see Allen Heither. Maybe Chloe,

1027
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: when quoting post war facts, needs to know that back

1028
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: then the whole population we're willing to work and contribute

1029
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 3: to society, not like now. Very good point actually here

1030
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: that those who work hard and pay higher attacks and

1031
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: not charities for simple social problems. Chloe are simple in

1032
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: her thinking here. The New Zealand has so few successful businesses.

1033
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: Now the Green's policies will simply empty the place. It's

1034
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: a fair point, actually, Wayne. But what they'll do is

1035
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: they'll empty the place. But then they'll charge you that

1036
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 3: jet tax on your way out, and you can pay

1037
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 3: us some more money. Right, why tongue you tribuneal next

1038
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 3: News took zb.

1039
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1040
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: drive home. It's Heather U plus Ellen drive with one

1041
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news talks. It'd be if

1042
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: you're feeling down.

1043
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: We're so un standing by Stephen Joyce, former National Party

1044
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: Cabinet ministers with us after six. I'll explain why to

1045
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: you shortly. Winston Peters has reacted to the sea bomb

1046
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: being dropped in Parliament.

1047
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 10: But I've about you.

1048
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 8: But I mean, I've seen some bad times in this house,

1049
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 8: but this is one of the lowest I've ever seen.

1050
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 8: When you go to that sort of tandem language, nothing

1051
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 8: is beneath you after that.

1052
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 9: Is it.

1053
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 3: It's not a surprise Winston doesn't like it. He's got

1054
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: to call him about him. It's twenty four away from.

1055
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: Six, Heather duplic Ellen.

1056
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 3: The White Hounguy Tribunal is holding an urgent inquiry today

1057
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: on David Seymour's Regulatory Standards Bill. More than eighteen thousand

1058
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: people have signed onto acclaim against the bill, saying that

1059
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: if it has passed, it will sideline the Treaty of

1060
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 3: White Tonguey.

1061
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 6: Now.

1062
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 3: Helmut Modlick is NATI tour chief executive and he's with

1063
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: us right now. Helmet, Yeah, very good. Thank you, Hetther

1064
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: you submitted as well. What was your submission?

1065
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 11: Yeah, basically we express the same sentiment that's coming from

1066
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 11: everybody else that this is a constitution, a change to

1067
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 11: our constitution arrangements by stealth that will have impact on

1068
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 11: our treaty settlement. And yeah, we would have appreciated being

1069
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 11: asked about that before it was put into the process

1070
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 11: for moving it into law.

1071
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: Tell me if I've got this right. Predominantly, the problem

1072
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: with this is that the Regulatory Standards Bill does not

1073
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: mention the Treaty of white Tongey, but every piece of

1074
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: legislation that has written after it has passed would have

1075
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: to be assessed against it like we do with the

1076
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 3: Bill of Rights and to see whether it complies with

1077
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: the Regulatory Standards Act as it would then be. And

1078
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: your guys problem with it, people who don't like it,

1079
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: is because it doesn't mention the treaty. Therefore the treaty

1080
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 3: becomes less important, is that right?

1081
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, you've got to the heart of it.

1082
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 6: And I just read a little bit.

1083
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 11: So currently there are forty acts that contain references to

1084
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 11: the principles of the Treaty and one hundred and ninety

1085
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 11: two acts or pieces of legislation that also explicitly reference

1086
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 11: the Treaty of White Tongue. Now, those laws are the

1087
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 11: main mechanisms by which and i'll spe speak specifically about

1088
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 11: an anti tour and the main mechanisms by which we

1089
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 11: ensure that a range of rights that were actually specified

1090
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 11: in our treaty settlement are actually able to be given

1091
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 11: effect through those legislations. So if those if the Regulatory

1092
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Speaker 11: Standards Board which will be established under this bill is

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Speaker 11: set up, it will have the power to actually remove

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Speaker 11: as many, some or all of those references to titidity

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Speaker 11: in those various acts, and so we will actually have

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Speaker 11: a significantly diminished capacity to ensure the meeting of our

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Speaker 11: treaty settlement on the first place and the second place

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Speaker 11: going forward is what you said. So that pretty much

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Speaker 11: captures the range of concerns.

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Speaker 3: Isn't this though, the kind of urgent hearing that is

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Speaker 3: causing people to get frustrated with the Whitepania Tribunal and

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Speaker 3: want to review into it because this it's set up

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Speaker 3: to investigate breaches of the treaty, But there is no

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Speaker 3: breach of the treaty because the bill hasn't been passed.

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Speaker 11: Yes, so that's a bit of a circular argument there.

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Speaker 11: So the Tribunal is unable to it's not it has

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Speaker 11: no jurisdiction over any law once the government has actually

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Speaker 11: passed it. So, but what's happened here because the government

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Speaker 11: hasn't actually followed a process where the treaty partner hasn't

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Speaker 11: been engaged, but there's been no community information sharing, there

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Speaker 11: actually is no reasonable process for the Tribunal or EWE

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Speaker 11: first to actually get site on what's proposed and the

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Speaker 11: in form a view. Instead, what the Crown is doing

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Speaker 11: here is rushing it through and in fact, and they've

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Speaker 11: been a bit naughty big where they've actually truncated the

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Speaker 11: time frame, rushing it through so that it can quickly

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Speaker 11: get to the phase where the Tribunal has no jurisdiction.

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Speaker 11: It's exactly what they did around Jacko Failder and it's removal.

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Speaker 11: They changed the time frame so that the Tribunal was

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Speaker 11: actually unable to make a finding and so that that's

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Speaker 11: really why, that's really what's going on. It's not a

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Speaker 11: fault of the Tribunal, it's the government.

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Speaker 3: All right, Hey, listen to helmet as always, thank you

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Speaker 3: very much for your time. Helmet modeling, chief executive at

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Speaker 3: NATI toy Ewe.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find You're

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Speaker 1: one of the kind.

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Speaker 3: It's coming up twenty away from six and with us

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Speaker 3: on the huddle we have David Farreh of Kiwi Blog

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Speaker 3: and Curia and Jack Tame of Q and A and

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Speaker 3: host of Saturday mornings on Zbhi. Are you too, David?

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Speaker 3: Have you had a look at the Greens budget and

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Speaker 3: out of ten, how awesome is it?

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Speaker 16: I'd probably say an eighty eight for that's how much

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Speaker 16: billions of tax that they're wanting to do a pose

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Speaker 16: on people for if you work, if you save a

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Speaker 16: few die So No, not a big fan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah now Jack? Now, Jack, I know that normally you are,

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Speaker 3: you know, a little bit more sympathetic to the Greens

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Speaker 3: than I perhaps am. So how you're feeling about this

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Speaker 3: alternative budget?

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Speaker 21: Well, I mean if Davis chose an eighty eight outen

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Speaker 21: thirty three, which I think is the new tax rate

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Speaker 21: for inheritance of a million dollars, I can see going

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Speaker 21: down super Well. I mean, look it's look, I find

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Speaker 21: it interesting that in an economy where we all agree

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Speaker 21: I think that New Zealand's got this kind of long

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Speaker 21: lasting productivity problem. Why you don't want to incentivize work,

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Speaker 21: like why you don't want to incentivize people to work

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Speaker 21: really hard and sometimes to have two jobs if needs be,

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Speaker 21: so that they can get ahead. And I don't think

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Speaker 21: that our tax system is perfectly balanced at the moment.

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Speaker 21: But one of the things that I think isn't right

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Speaker 21: is that at the moment income is taxed pretty keenly,

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Speaker 21: but other forms of human well revenue ant necessarily.

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Speaker 3: Have you made this you haven't, no, no.

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Speaker 6: No, this this this is to say that I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 21: When I look at the Greens budget, it's like tax

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Speaker 21: everywhere basically is going up.

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Speaker 6: So it's a tax that you're.

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Speaker 21: Earning from from from from income, from working a job,

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Speaker 21: POYE is going up like it's across the board. And

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Speaker 21: I would have thought that they to make it slightly

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Speaker 21: more politically palatable. There might be some other payoffs where

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Speaker 21: they might say, Okay, if we are going to picture

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Speaker 21: wealth tax, or pitch an inheritance tax, or yes, a

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Speaker 21: private jet tax, all of these things, then we're going

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Speaker 21: to try and reduce taxes more substantially in some of

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Speaker 21: these other areas.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, no tax switch. Hey David, do you ever

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Speaker 3: when you do polling with Curia, do you ever look

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Speaker 3: at the drag that the Greens have on labor, like

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Speaker 3: how how how much the Greens make it harder for

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Speaker 3: people to vote for labor.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, we do look at that. It's really interesting. What

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Speaker 16: what we tend to do is we ask people what

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Speaker 16: do you think of these party leaders? And on the

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Speaker 16: center right, interesting national voters for some time of like

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Speaker 16: David Seymour, but really interesting is they really like Winston now?

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Speaker 16: But on the left, labor voters really don't like Tiparty

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Speaker 16: Mari leaders, and they're not that keen on the Green

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Speaker 16: leaders either. People mistake labor activists with labor voters. They're

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Speaker 16: very different people. And I actually think the biggest challenge

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Speaker 16: labor has gained into the election will be the Greens

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Speaker 16: at Tiparty mariy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 14: Yep.

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Speaker 3: And this makes worse, doesn't it, Jake?

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Speaker 21: Well, Yeah, I mean I suppose like it's relatively a

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Speaker 21: relatively easy play for labor if.

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Speaker 6: They really wanted to. I mean, they're gonna they're gonna.

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Speaker 21: Get stuck in the ruling and rulling it out game

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Speaker 21: in the eighteen months leading up to the election, no

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Speaker 21: matter whether they want or otherwise. But I mean, can

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Speaker 21: we think of a of a major economic policy that

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Speaker 21: they've had in the past in any sort of government

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Speaker 21: that they've adopted from the Greens.

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Speaker 6: I can't think of one of The.

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Speaker 3: Greens have never been this big, and that's the that's

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Speaker 3: the most relevant thing.

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Speaker 10: What happens on.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean, by the nature of the Greens and

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Speaker 21: the way the party works, it's not like they have

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Speaker 21: any alternatives if they want to be in government rather

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Speaker 21: than going with Labor right, because they effectively automatically rule

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Speaker 21: that going with National which means they have absolutely no

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Speaker 21: bargaining chips. So Labor, if it ever came to a negotiation,

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Speaker 21: could say, right, you can be with us, you can

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Speaker 21: accept all of our economic policy, or you can just

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Speaker 21: spend another.

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Speaker 3: Three the important and you're right. But the important thing

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Speaker 3: is that Labour needs to say that before the election,

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Speaker 3: and not to the Greens. They need to say to voters.

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Speaker 3: They need to say this Rainbow and Unicorn's budget that

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Speaker 3: we just got from the Greens is crap. None of

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Speaker 3: it's ever happening. Don't worry about it. That's what they

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Speaker 3: need to do.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, sorry, David.

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Speaker 16: I was going to say that works when you're really

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Speaker 16: big party of government, when you're at forty two, forty

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Speaker 16: three percent, they get two ministers outside kidnet. But when

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Speaker 16: it's a three way coalition and all the Poles say that's.

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Speaker 6: You there?

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Speaker 3: Am I stuck with you?

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Speaker 12: Jack?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Well I don't frame it like that, thank you.

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Speaker 6: I just wondered. I thought maybe David had had dropped

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Speaker 6: a certain word and that we'd all been cut off in.

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Speaker 4: And was like, enough of that, Let's take this.

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Speaker 9: David.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean to David's point, though, he's totally right,

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Speaker 21: like you definitely have like the only way at the

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Speaker 21: moment the Poles suggest that labor or that that Chris

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Speaker 21: Sipkins might be the next prime minister is with a

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Speaker 21: three party coalition, right, So which which does change those

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Speaker 21: coalitions or support negotiation dynamics once again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, we need to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 3: We'll come back quarter too.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty achieve extraordinary

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back with the Huddle, David, listen, is this

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Speaker 3: the first time? Do you think that the sea bomb's

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Speaker 3: been dropped in Parliament?

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Speaker 19: First time?

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Speaker 6: On pair pass?

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Speaker 16: John Carter many years ago tried to accuse Labor of

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Speaker 16: attempting a cunning and he misspoke and at top round

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Speaker 16: five minutes of the house to resume order.

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Speaker 6: I was very careful myself there, not to.

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Speaker 16: Speak from you, but yes, it is the only time

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Speaker 16: outside that I can recall having said that, possibly the

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Speaker 16: only time where you can just five the biggest newspaper

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Speaker 16: chain in New Zealand is going to run an article

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Speaker 16: that actually calls female ministers the sea word. Then having

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Speaker 16: one of those ministers slurred that way respond I think

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Speaker 16: is appropriate and it would have lost the powerful impact

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Speaker 16: if she had just said the sea word, because you

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Speaker 16: knew what the stuff article was meaning.

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Speaker 3: The thing is why she did it, Jack was basically

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Speaker 3: to underscore the hypocrisy amongst the feminists on the left

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Speaker 3: who will come to the defense of women on their

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Speaker 3: side but not on the other side. She's got a

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Speaker 3: fair point, hasn't she.

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Speaker 21: Well, I certainly think from Labour's perspective, it's baffling to me,

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Speaker 21: like totally puzzling why they would have brought the subject

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Speaker 21: down to the house like it's low hanging fruit. You

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Speaker 21: would have thought for Brook van Belden to immediately leap

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Speaker 21: upon it and say, ah, yes, okay, yes. The keen

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Speaker 21: feminists who also diligently defended Prime Minister Decinder r Dern

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Speaker 21: and you know, said that she was subject to the

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Speaker 21: most appalling sexism now not being so fourth right in

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Speaker 21: their defense of me.

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Speaker 6: Funny how the tide turns. Yeah.

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Speaker 14: So I was totally baffled why a label would bring

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Speaker 14: it up.

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Speaker 21: I mean, you know, obviously the minister did have an

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Speaker 21: option to reference said word without saying said word. I

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Speaker 21: agree with David that it probably wouldn't have had the

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Speaker 21: same impact and wouldn't be leading all the news sites

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Speaker 21: around the country.

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Speaker 6: It wouldn't be doing a.

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Speaker 21: Million views on YouTube and TikTok by midnight tonight. That

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Speaker 21: being said, yeah, I think Brook van veld knew exactly

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Speaker 21: what she was doing. And I suppose the hypocrisy message

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Speaker 21: can cut all ways, right, So you can say, yes,

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Speaker 21: the left being hypocritical by not standing up for her,

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Speaker 21: But you could say, well, Brook van Walden's being hypocritical

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Speaker 21: if she says that it's such an offensive term, then

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Speaker 21: why is she using in the mouse?

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Speaker 16: I am beyond huddled but staggered that Labor chose to

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Speaker 16: reference that column and a question. They have meetings where

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Speaker 16: they discuss their questions and how they possibly thought. Oh,

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Speaker 16: let's ask the minister if they agree with a column.

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Speaker 3: Is it possibly because they have gone into a little

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Speaker 3: echo chamber of a whole bunch of people who think

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Speaker 3: the same, who are sharing it and going. Isn't this

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Speaker 3: wonderful that Andrea Vance said this? That's probably an explanation.

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Speaker 16: That can only be the explanation. And we all know

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Speaker 16: that if whenever some random troll on social media uses

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Speaker 16: the seaweed that gets a politician stuff, runs article after

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Speaker 16: article decrine it, and here they run it in their

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Speaker 16: own column. And where are the feminists? Where's the National

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Speaker 16: Council of Woman, Where's the Human Rights Commission? Where's all

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Speaker 16: the feminist MP's and Labor and Green? They don't have

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Speaker 16: to say they like brockawn color. They just have to

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Speaker 16: say we hate their policy. But no politician should be

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Speaker 16: called the C word.

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Speaker 21: I mean, and when you look at it, we're sorry

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Speaker 21: here that when you look at it from a like

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Speaker 21: from a strategic perspective in the house. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 21: Jantinini might say that, oh, I didn't actually ask if

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Speaker 21: Brook van Velden agreed with the use of that term.

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Speaker 21: The truth is the moment that any parliamentary question reference

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Speaker 21: that column in any way, she could have said, does

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Speaker 21: the minister agree with the use of the full stop

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Speaker 21: at the end of that column? And you just know

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Speaker 21: that was immediately going to leap upon.

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Speaker 14: It, like it's so obvious.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, there's totally definitely to me super politics.

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, thank you, it's always wonderful to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: That is David Farret and Jack came a huddle this seven.

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Speaker 3: It's coming up eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talks B.

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Speaker 3: Four or away from six. Heather the Minister used the

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Speaker 3: word because she has now managed to drive the narrative

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Speaker 3: further away from her bill, which probably is true. Actually, David,

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Speaker 3: it's given her something of a it's given them quite

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Speaker 3: the little thing that they can talk about instead she

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Speaker 3: talking about the pay equity. Hither areur kids of a startup?

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Speaker 3: It exports about four million dollars annually. It has won

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Speaker 3: multiple awards and exports to some of the world's most

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Speaker 3: famous companies. It's not yet making a profit, as it

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Speaker 3: has just focused on growth, just like zero and rocket

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Speaker 3: Lab have. If required to pay two point five percent

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Speaker 3: on an estimated value, they would be forced to leave

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Speaker 3: New Zealand for a more favorable tax regime or close

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Speaker 3: the business. Yep, with the jet tax on the way out.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Rosie. That is how That is how it

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Speaker 3: works in rainbows and unicorns and smoke big bongs land. Now,

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Speaker 3: there is a report out today which recommends that we

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Speaker 3: roll out a campaign of free vaccinations to pensioners. So

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Speaker 3: we give them the flu jab, the shingles JAB and

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Speaker 3: the RSV JAB for free because there are economic benefits

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Speaker 3: from doing that. We're gonna have a chat to Steven

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Speaker 3: Joyce about because Stephen Joyce's linked his economic credibility to

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Speaker 3: backing up this report. He's going to be with us

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Speaker 3: after six o'clock. Did you know that there is a

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Speaker 3: Kiwi Anglican reverend who's been selected to help choose the

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Speaker 3: new Archbishop of Canterbury. There is only about twenty of

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Speaker 3: them worldwide who it's like a committee of twenty people,

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Speaker 3: and I think five of them are international appointments. And

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Speaker 3: our bloke is one of the international appointments. It is

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Speaker 3: Reverend Canon Isaac Beach from ted Tired Arter Tea. And

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Speaker 3: the interesting thing about Reverend Beach is that he runs

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Speaker 3: a hemp umb on the side. Ay, how cool is that?

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Speaker 3: Good luck mate, good luck pick in that person. Now

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Speaker 3: seems like everybody's picking heads of churches at the moment,

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Speaker 3: aren't they.

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Speaker 14: Now?

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about the dogs, okay, because you

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Speaker 3: know if you listen to the show regularly that I

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Speaker 3: am starting to get quite My nick is quite in

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Speaker 3: a twist about roaming dogs. There was a sentence that

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Speaker 3: was handed down today to the owner of two dogs

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Speaker 3: that attacked a two year old couple. I think it

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Speaker 3: was a couple of years ago, could have been last year,

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Speaker 3: but anyway, it was March. I think it might have

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Speaker 3: been March last year. Happened in Auckland. Toddler two years old,

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Speaker 3: playing in his front yard, not doing anything. He's not

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Speaker 3: out there. Is not his parents' fault. It's not his fault.

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Speaker 3: He didn't do anything. He was literally playing in his

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Speaker 3: front yard and two American bulldogs roamed onto his property

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Speaker 3: from a neighboring property and started mauling him. Mom sees

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Speaker 3: what's going on, gets out there, lifts the little boy

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Speaker 3: up as high as she can to try to get

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Speaker 3: him out of the way. The dogs dogs just keep

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Speaker 3: on attacking because they go in for it. Owners, relatives

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Speaker 3: or somebody else related to the owners had to come

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Speaker 3: and pull the dogs off the kid, and only at

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Speaker 3: that point did they stop mauling. This little boy has

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Speaker 3: been left with huge injuries, serious injuries to his neck

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Speaker 3: and his head, fractured shoulder blade, multiple surgeries, prolonged hospital

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Speaker 3: state like for a two year old and a two

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Speaker 3: year old's parents. That is horrific to have to go

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Speaker 3: through that kind of the thing. Fortunately the dogs were

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Speaker 3: killed as they should have been done on any day

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Speaker 3: of the week having done anything like that. But the

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Speaker 3: owner just got sentenced today one hundred and fifty hours

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Speaker 3: of community working a two thousand dollar fine. Didn't I

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Speaker 3: asking for a friend, obviously, because it seems to me

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Speaker 3: your dog's mate were roaming because you were crap at

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Speaker 3: being their owner, and now you've only got yourself a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a community sentence and just a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a fine. Good thing. The dogs are dead,

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Speaker 3: but I just don't know if that's enough to put

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Speaker 3: the owners off just being so delinquent. What do you think,

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Speaker 3: Stephen Joyce?

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Speaker 7: Next?

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Speaker 22: What's up?

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Speaker 6: What's down?

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Speaker 1: One with a major cause and how will it affect

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Speaker 1: the economy? The big business questions on the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mayors, Insurance and investments, Grow

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Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future?

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Speaker 6: The use talks end v.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour. The interdex

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Speaker 3: has recovered since Liberation Day, thank goodness. Milford Asset management

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Speaker 3: on that infrastructure. New Zealand on also being barred from

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Speaker 3: the budget lock up and Gavin Gray's with us out

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Speaker 3: of the UK at seven past six Now Former Finance

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Speaker 3: Minister Stephen Joyce is backing a call for a comprehensive

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Speaker 3: vaccination program for pensioners. A new report has found that

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Speaker 3: a publicly funded VAX program for the flu, shingles and

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Speaker 3: RSV for people over the age of sixty five would

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Speaker 3: create an economic benefit of over one billion dollars over

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Speaker 3: four years. And Stephen Joyce's with us now, hoy Stephen,

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Speaker 3: Hello Heather.

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Speaker 5: How are you?

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Speaker 6: I prefer the term older New Zealanders to pensioners.

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Speaker 3: Have you got your gold card already?

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Speaker 1: Have you?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 6: No, not yet, but I know people that have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does you know what it feels like? It's

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Speaker 3: kicking in nowadays it's too young to call the sixty

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Speaker 3: five year old pensioners. But such as the truth.

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Speaker 22: Now, well, I tried to fix that a while ago,

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Speaker 22: but I didn't have the right number of votes from

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Speaker 22: the right number of older people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine which one now listen on this,

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Speaker 3: I mean, this seems perfectly reasonable, that makes sense. But

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Speaker 3: should we be skeptical about a report that's been commissioned

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Speaker 3: by GSK given that they provide all of these jabs.

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Speaker 22: Oh look, I mean, obviously they've got an interest in

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Speaker 22: they're upfront about it. But I think the idea is

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Speaker 22: very valid, and I've got a reputable economic consultancy to

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Speaker 22: actually do the numbers about what's saved and in a

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Speaker 22: way that you know that obviously that they couldn't come

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Speaker 22: up with themselves. And it impressed me because I thought, well, actually,

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Speaker 22: that is quite a clever move. We've got a health

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Speaker 22: system not just here but all over the world. It's

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Speaker 22: completely under pressure all the time. Every government ends up

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Speaker 22: dipping a lot more money into it never seems to

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Speaker 22: meet the demand. We need some I think fresh thinking

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Speaker 22: about it. And so what attracted me to this was that, well,

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Speaker 22: hang on, that's we know about the benefit of vaccinations

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Speaker 22: to to children, the huge increase in life expectancy that

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Speaker 22: occurred as a result of that, and then you look

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Speaker 22: at it this one. It's actually just about as much

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Speaker 22: as a no brainer because you've got all these common

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Speaker 22: preventable diseases that older people get caught up with, and

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01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 22: they can make their other ailments worse, can prevent them

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Speaker 22: from doing work in the community and clogs up the

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Speaker 22: health system. So it seems like good ideamy.

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Speaker 3: What does it cost to save a billion dollars?

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Speaker 22: It's a very good question, and it's in the report.

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Speaker 22: My answer the lather it's a couple of hundred million

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Speaker 22: over four years, and it depends on uptake. I mean,

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Speaker 22: they did their initial work on a sixty percent uptake,

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Speaker 22: which is roughly what it is now for the flu vaccine,

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Speaker 22: and effectively what it is is RSV plus the flu

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Speaker 22: plus plus shingles vaccine, and it's the idea is that

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Speaker 22: it's sixty five you've become eligible for those all three

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Speaker 22: of them, and if you did a public health campaign

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Speaker 22: alongside that, which was able to lift it to eighty percent,

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Speaker 22: it's thousands of doctors' visits no longer needed, GP visits,

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Speaker 22: a huge number of hospital visits not needed, and then

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Speaker 22: leaves the hospitals to focus in on the frankly, what

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Speaker 22: is the more serious and intractable diseases like cancer and

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Speaker 22: heart disease. So it seems to make quite a bit

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Speaker 22: of sense.

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Speaker 3: Do you watch Parliament today?

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Speaker 22: No, I didn't see parliament today. I am to in

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Speaker 22: parliament now, which is quite a spooky experience for somebody

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Speaker 22: who was there for so long and so intensely.

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Speaker 6: But there we are.

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Speaker 3: So have you caught up on the sea bomb being

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Speaker 3: dropped in parliament?

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Speaker 22: I haven't caught up on that, but I am familiar

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Speaker 22: with the issue with the sea bomb in the media.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of it?

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Speaker 22: By the way, I don't think we need to lower

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Speaker 22: media or parliamentary standards anymore, would be my view. Long

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01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 22: enough and some words should be left out of the

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Speaker 22: public discourse. And I'm disappointed actually that it's happened, putting

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Speaker 22: a media hat on which I may have to do.

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Speaker 3: I was about to ask that, because you're obviously everybody's

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Speaker 3: loving the idea of you being the chair of ENDS

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Speaker 3: in me, do you reckon you'll you'll be pretty confident

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Speaker 3: you've got the votes.

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Speaker 22: Well, I think I think everybody sort of got together

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01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 22: and decided, well, this is a this is a slate

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Speaker 22: that can work at the meeting that's coming up in

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Speaker 22: a couple of weeks, and we now have the required

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Speaker 22: number of directors for the required number of spots.

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Speaker 6: So I think that's a good, good step forward.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to basically, you know, look after your

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Speaker 3: favorite children being radio at the expense of here, like,

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Speaker 3: don't worry about the herald Stephen nobody. They get way

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01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 3: too much attention.

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Speaker 6: That sounds that sounds like a pitch here. But I

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Speaker 6: can say what is that?

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Speaker 22: Of course that is And of course I also think

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Speaker 22: he said, getting back to the subject of the interview,

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Speaker 22: I also think that the politicians should look really closely

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Speaker 22: at this opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Steven Joy's former finance minister, who, by the way, has

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Speaker 3: been mooted as the chair of this company Ends and

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Speaker 3: Yas obviously owns newstalk ZB it's twelve past six. Now

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Speaker 3: mediation over the government sending those public servants back to

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01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 3: the office has failed, So this is going to go

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Speaker 3: to the RA.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 3: This is if you don't remember this, this is the

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Speaker 3: case where the government said, if you're working from home

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Speaker 3: but you're in the public service and it's not explicit

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Speaker 3: in your contract that you should be working from home,

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 3: we expect you to get back in. The PSA said

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Speaker 3: absolutely not. That's not going to happen. They've gone to mediation,

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Speaker 3: it's failed, and it's now going to.

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Speaker 14: Go to the RA.

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Speaker 3: I think that personally, I personally feel and look, I

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Speaker 3: am biased on this because I think people need to

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Speaker 3: get their asses into the office and actually do some work.

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Speaker 3: Because I did not come down with the last shower,

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Speaker 3: and I know that if you're working from home, you're

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Speaker 3: sitting under your duvet watching Netflix and putting on the

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Speaker 3: washing machine. I know what's going on because I also

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Speaker 3: run a house. I'm also the executive manager of a

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Speaker 3: and I know what your priorities are going to be. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I feel like, so just outlining my bias sare I

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01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 3: feel like the PSA are being bits of dicks about

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01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 3: this because It's not as if the guidelines are that harsh,

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Speaker 3: right the guideline, it's just new guidelines. And the guidelines

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Speaker 3: specifically just say working from home needs to be clearly

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01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,799
Speaker 3: agreed to and for specific reasons, and that any arrangements

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Speaker 3: should not compromise the performance of employees and of agencies.

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Speaker 3: That feels fair enough to me, Like, you can work

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Speaker 3: from home if it's not bad for your business, and

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01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 3: if you need to work from home, and if you

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Speaker 3: have agreed, you can't just work from home because you

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Speaker 3: feel like it on a Friday, do you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean? The ps that was like, now, we don't

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Speaker 3: agree to that. So that's why we are now at

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Speaker 3: the RA fourteen plus six.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather due

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Speaker 3: Talks en me coming up eighteen past six. Now Nik

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Speaker 3: at the Willis has been dropped the bread crumbs, hasn't

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Speaker 3: she when it comes to the budget, confirming today she

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01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 3: will be making some changes to Kiwi Saver, but wouldn't

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Speaker 3: say any more. Genative trainee is The Herald's Wellington Business editor.

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Speaker 3: Hey you knowate, Hey, Heather so It sounded like the

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Speaker 3: opposite of what I was expecting. I was expecting that

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Speaker 3: she was going to do some sort of means testing

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Speaker 3: and actually take things away from us when it came

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Speaker 3: to Kei Wei Saver. But now it sounds like she's

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Speaker 3: going to beef it up. What's going on?

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Speaker 23: Well, no, I think you're right. I think Nikola Willis

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Speaker 23: will means test that five hundred and twenty dollars contribution

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Speaker 23: that the government gives you if you contribute a certain

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Speaker 23: amount to your Keii saver every year. That costs the

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Speaker 23: government about a billion dollars a year. It's a lot

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Speaker 23: of money. I wouldn't be surprised if the government means

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Speaker 23: tests that so that higher income earning people, perhaps people

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Speaker 23: earn more than say one hundred and eighty thousand dollars

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Speaker 23: a year, so that they don't get that payment. I

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Speaker 23: think she'll push on with that. This is just my guess,

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Speaker 23: But I did wonder because she she has said, look,

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Speaker 23: we want to boost people's Keiwi Saver balances, you know,

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Speaker 23: help them prepare for their retirements. So I thought, well, okay,

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Speaker 23: you want to boost you want to boost those, So.

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Speaker 6: How do you do that?

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Speaker 23: There are a few ways of doing that. Either we

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Speaker 23: as members contribute more, our employers contribute more, or the

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Speaker 23: government contributes more. I asked Simon Watts today the Revenue

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Speaker 23: Minister whether the government would consider cutting the tax that

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Speaker 23: employers pay on the contributions they make to our balances,

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Speaker 23: and he said no, So that that was you know,

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Speaker 23: if the government chose to cut that tax, that would

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Speaker 23: have it meant that here we say members would have

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Speaker 23: more money in their balances, you know, which would help

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Speaker 23: us in their retirements. I had wondered whether that would

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Speaker 23: have been a way that they could have boosted our balances,

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Speaker 23: but the Revenue Minister said no. So I'm playing we're

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01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 23: playing the rule and rule out game here. If they're

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Speaker 23: not going to cut the tax, they're going to means

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Speaker 23: test this contribution that the government makes, then how on

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Speaker 23: earth are our balance is going to rise? That only

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Speaker 23: leaves us with some options, and that's basically us putting

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Speaker 23: more money in.

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Speaker 3: What about the possibility of them means testing cutting off

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Speaker 3: the wealthiest people no government contribution, but then beefing up

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Speaker 3: the government contribution for the poorer people.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, look, that's totally an option, and I haven't you know,

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Speaker 23: I have played the rule in a rule came with

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Speaker 23: the government, but I haven't gone to that length. But

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Speaker 23: that would make sense. You know, if you say you're

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Speaker 23: lower income, you get a larger government contribution, or even

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Speaker 23: you are self employed, which means you can't get an

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Speaker 23: employer's contribution contribution, so then maybe the government gives you

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Speaker 23: a larger contribution.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's clear the politics if you take it,

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Speaker 3: we take away with one hand, give with the other.

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Speaker 3: They're hardly going to compel people to put more of

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Speaker 3: their own money and are they in a cost of

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Speaker 3: living crisis? So we can rule that out.

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Speaker 23: No, you know, I wouldn't rule that out. I think, well, well,

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Speaker 23: you know, we're guessing, but we desperately need to say

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Speaker 23: more for our retirements. In Australia, the contribution rate is

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Speaker 23: much higher. I wouldn't be surprised if the government said,

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Speaker 23: over time we're going to up that Yeah, yeah, rate

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Speaker 23: the minimum from three percent to four percent. Will it

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Speaker 23: go down well with people? I'm not too sure, but

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Speaker 23: I wouldn't. I wouldn't rule it out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, over time, I think is the key thing. Jennaa

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Speaker 3: as always, thank you so much. Jene Tostrainey, the heralds

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Speaker 3: Wellington Business editor got the credit card spending for the

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Speaker 3: month of April. Spending is going up very slowly though

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Speaker 3: so for the month of April only went up zero

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Speaker 3: point eight percent. Food is up, and this is the categories.

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Speaker 3: Food is up zero point five percent, hospitality zero point

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Speaker 3: two percent, durables like white bear zero point one percent.

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Speaker 3: They're all up. Car sales down almost three percent, fuel

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Speaker 3: down two percent, clothing down two percent. Would have expected, though,

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Speaker 3: that for the month of April had actually bounced higher

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Speaker 3: than it did at zero point eight percent, and that

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Speaker 3: is because we had the school holidays in April, we

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Speaker 3: had Easter Long weekend in April, we had an Zac

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Speaker 3: Long weekend in April. So, as I say slowly six

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Speaker 3: twenty two, if it's to do with.

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Speaker 1: Money, it matters to you the Business Hour with Heather

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01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: Duplicllen and theirs, Insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect

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Speaker 1: your future newstalks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be twenty four pass six. Just to remind you,

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Speaker 3: we're going to be chatting to Infrastructure New Zealand after

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01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 3: the news after half pass because they've obviously been barred

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Speaker 3: from the budget day lock up. As well right now

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Speaker 3: though Jeremy Hutton Milford Acid Management is with us. Hey, Jeremy,

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Speaker 3: good evening hither So we've seen a complete round tripe

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Speaker 3: and performance on the inzet X and various global markets

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Speaker 3: since Trump's liberation Day. How's the INSIDEX market been going?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, the INSIDEX has been going relatively well. It is

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Speaker 24: widely seen as a defensive market given the nature of

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Speaker 24: some of our larger companies that make up the index.

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01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 24: But starting with some numbers, so post Liberation Day on

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Speaker 24: April to second, the inside X fell about four and

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01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 24: a half percent over the five days where the market's

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01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 24: sold off heavily. The SMP and the tech heavy Nasdaq

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01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 24: fell around twelve percent over the same period, so New

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01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 24: Zealand did show some outperformance on the downside there. But

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Speaker 24: as you said before, they have done a full round

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01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,759
Speaker 24: trip and markets have clawed back all of these losses

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01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 24: and some gains too. So the Nasdaq that's now up

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01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 24: eight percent since liberation Day, the SMP four percent, so

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Speaker 24: those markets have completely shrugged the tariffs off. And the

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Speaker 24: nz X too has had a good rebound. It's up

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Speaker 24: four percent, so it has been keeping up a little

1685
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 24: bit on the upside too. But you know, it's fair

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Speaker 24: to say that the market assumptions at the moment are

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01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,799
Speaker 24: pretty favorable, continuing sort of expecting, you know, the continuing

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Speaker 24: of easing of trade tensions and no slower global growth,

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Speaker 24: which maybe is a little bit tad ambitious at this point.

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Speaker 3: I mean huge turnarounds you, which is the point that

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Speaker 3: you've made in short short periods of time. Can you

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Speaker 3: actually pick where the turning points are?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, It's extremely difficult, and to me, it just continues

1694
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 24: to show how tricky it is trying to time the market,

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01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 24: especially given the volatility and some of the speeds of

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01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 24: the moves that we're seeing, and sentiment can turn really

1697
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 24: bullish to max bearish in a very short space of time.

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01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 24: And Trump holding daily press conferences doesn't help with this.

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01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 24: But I think the best strategy as an investor is

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01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 24: just to think about your long term goals and try

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01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 24: and stick to that plan and chopping markets, try not

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01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 24: to panic or get any FOMO in both the buy

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01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:24,879
Speaker 24: and the sellside.

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01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're talking about sale. When the market is

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01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 3: having to sell off, what companies on the INTERETETX do

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01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 3: investors tend to favor?

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01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 24: And this turmoil and where markets are falling, investors do

1709
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 24: tend to shift to easily predictable businesses and solid sectors.

1710
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 24: And these are examples like consumer staples and food and utilities,

1711
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 24: and the injet X has a few good examples, so

1712
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 24: our own relatively robust gent tailor electricity sector that gets

1713
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 24: a lot of interest when markets tend to sell off.

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01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 24: And then also high quality growth companies that growing every year,

1715
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 24: like EBOS that gets a bit of a flight to say,

1716
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 24: and Spark traditionally would have been in that camp as well,

1717
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 24: but given they're having a few of their own specific issues,

1718
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 24: means that investors are avoiding that name for now.

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01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 3: And just very quickly tell me. In May, so far

1720
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 3: we've seen a bit of a rally. What companies have

1721
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 3: benefited here.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, some of the tariff exposed companies, as you'd imagine,

1723
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 24: so main freight that's up twenty three percent on that

1724
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 24: normalization of trade. We've got Infra till you know, they

1725
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 24: got hit on the tech sell off, so they're up

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01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 24: eleven percent. And then cyclical companies they tend to perform

1727
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 24: well in bill markets generally, and in New Zealand we've

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01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 24: got the retirement names like Ryman and Somerset and also

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01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 24: a bit of Fletcher Building too, so they've all had

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01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 24: double digit gains this month so far. But yeah, the

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01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 24: volatility makes investors' jobs really tricky, but it does make

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01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 24: following the markets super interesting at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Jeremy really appreciated. Jeremy Hutton of

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Speaker 3: Milford Acid Management here the what a lame key we

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01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 3: save a discussion earlier. How about upping the employer contributions? Well,

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01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 3: anything's possible, but I would have I think it's unlikely,

1737
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 3: isn't it, Because I mean, this is a government that's

1738
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 3: that would love to be friendly to business after business

1739
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 3: has been hammered and hammered and hammered and hammered and

1740
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 3: hammered and hammered by the previous government. So I think

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01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 3: it would probably be a bit much for business, especially

1742
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 3: in a recession, to be lumped with that as well,

1743
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 3: don't you think? Headlines next? And then infrastructing New.

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01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: Zealand, whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's

1745
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: all on the Business Hour with Heather Dupleicy Hellen and

1746
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 1: Maya's Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth to protect your future.

1747
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 22: These talk sat me.

1748
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: He said, Hi, nice to meet you too.

1749
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 10: Lin Maybe does get up the jus.

1750
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 3: Right, Kevin Cray is going to be less than ten minutes.

1751
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 3: Turns out that fire bombing that was taking place read

1752
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 3: Keir Starmer's properties as a couple of houses in the

1753
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 3: car and stuff. They now think that there might have

1754
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 3: been hostile foreign state involved to that. So we'll get

1755
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 3: the latest from Gavin when he's with us shortly. Incoming news,

1756
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 3: the Privilegious Committee has just released its decision on what

1757
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 3: to do with the Maori Party. MPs Hannah Hannah Arfts

1758
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 3: he might be Clarke has suspended from the House for

1759
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 3: seven days, Debingardi were Packer severely censured, suspended from the

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01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 3: House for twenty one days. Rahweru White is he's severely censured,

1761
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 3: suspended from the House for twenty one days. And the

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01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 3: reason why they're being punished like this is for acting

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01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 3: in a manner that could have the effect of intimidating

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Speaker 3: a member of the House and the discharge of their duty.

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01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 3: So just to be clear, it's not because they did

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01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 3: a hucker, right, It's because they got up out of

1767
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,879
Speaker 3: their seats approached David Seymour and behaved in a threatening

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01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 3: way in front of him. Now that just happens to

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Speaker 3: be a hacker. It just happens to be old mate Watson,

1770
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 3: name Debbie pullin the gun whatever, it's all of that.

1771
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 3: It's not for that. It's for trying to intimidate him.

1772
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 3: Twenty three away from seven ever due for see Allen

1773
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 3: Now Treasury at tur out as facing possible legal action

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01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 3: after barring organizations from next week's budget lockup. These organizations

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01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 3: that would ordinarily be in the budget lock up. The

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01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 3: Taxpayers Union is threatening a judicial review unless they get

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01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 3: access like they normally would have, and it turns out

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01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 3: Infrastructure New Zealand is also barred. The chief executive is

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01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 3: Nick Legg at Hay Nick, Hi, Heather, you prepared to

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01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 3: do anything like what the Taxpayers Union is doing, not.

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Speaker 14: At the stage, but we do want to obviously draw

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01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 14: people's at eger to the fact that you know, the

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01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 14: government stated intent is to improve infrastructure investment, make New

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01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 14: Zealand more more productive, get our economy going, and it

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Speaker 14: just seems odd to bar Infrastructure New Zealand, Business New

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Speaker 14: Zealand people that represent you know, a lot of businesses

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Speaker 14: and organizations and some local government and government agencies as well.

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Speaker 14: When we're all trying to row in the same direction,

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01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 14: it seems pretty random. I mean, I thought this was

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01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:00,799
Speaker 14: a lockdown, not a lockout.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good point. Have they told you why you've

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Speaker 3: been barred?

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01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 14: No, No, they haven't. I'm sure why.

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01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 3: I want to have a guess because of one of

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01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 3: the theories, one of the working theories is that Nikola

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01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 3: Willis just cannot be faffed with the ced to you

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Speaker 3: and the Taxpayer's Union, and so she's just barred everybody

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01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 3: basically to get them out.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think of that's the case. It's a shame

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01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 14: because everybody's got an interest in the budget, and all

1802
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 14: of those two organizations that you've named and a few others,

1803
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 14: we all actually want to be constructive and we want

1804
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 14: to get the oil on the budget as soon as possible,

1805
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 14: so we can communicate what we see to the people

1806
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 14: that we work for and we represent and the wider

1807
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 14: public as well. I mean, you think about it. On

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01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 14: budget day, you'll have some analysis either you'll hear from

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01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 14: the politicians actually those of us that can provide a

1810
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 14: bit more information to your listeners. In a bit more analysis.

1811
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Speaker 14: It's useful, right, it's useful for the whole discussion.

1812
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 3: Well on that subject, honest, I agree with you, although

1813
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 3: the political editor of the station does not agree with you,

1814
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 3: Jason Walls. He says he doesn't need someone like you

1815
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 3: in there to tell him how to read a budget.

1816
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 3: He knows to go to the back page.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and the things. It's not about him, it's about

1818
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 14: the people that listen to him. So if you want

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01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 14: to talk about what's good for business, actually talking to

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01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 14: Katherine Richard Business New Zealand and hearing what her and

1821
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 14: her team make at the budget, that's kind of an

1822
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 14: important angle, just one of many. But we represent tens

1823
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 14: of thousands of businesses and employees between us and individuals

1824
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 14: these organizations that have been barred, and it just seems

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01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 14: odd to exclude us in the room. But there will

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Speaker 14: be selective businesses and other organizations included. I just don't

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01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 14: understand the thinking, I guess. And we get on well

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01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,600
Speaker 14: with the government. I think we've got a good relationship.

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Speaker 6: It's not.

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Speaker 14: The end of the world, but we are perplexed and disappointed.

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Speaker 3: Well, and not to mention the fact that is it

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Speaker 3: one of the five pillars of the budget is infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: So actually, if the budget is going to be about infrastructure,

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01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 3: then surely there's value in having infrastructure New Zealand. They're

1835
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:23,560
Speaker 3: looking at it.

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01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 14: Well, we've been there in other years and it's worked

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01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 14: pretty well. And we've been there to give commentary to

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01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 14: the media and provide information and context when infrastructure type

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01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 14: things and funds are announced by the Finance minister. This

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01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 14: is just part of democracy here there, I think, and

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01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 14: it's a shame to sort of exclude just a few groups.

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01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,600
Speaker 14: And yeah, we want obviously the government to reconsider and

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Speaker 14: we'll be asking for that.

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Speaker 3: Nick.

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Speaker 24: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciated Nick Legat's chief Executive of Infrastructure New Zealand.

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01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 3: Heither hopefully their pay has been suspended. Well, actually I

1848
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 3: can answer that for you and and I will do

1849
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 3: just really quickly. Survey of the best banks came out today.

1850
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 3: They're ranked ranked by customer satisfaction. Top of the list

1851
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 3: is the Cooperative Bank, not the first time that the

1852
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 3: Cooperative Bank has come out top of the list. Bottom

1853
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 3: of the list is you know's bottom of the list.

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01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 3: They're always bottom of the list. A and Z, New

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01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 3: Zealand's largest and most profitable bank by market share, but

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01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 3: also crappiest bank. As it turns out, this is where

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01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 3: it belongs. A and Z is rubbish if you've ever

1858
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 3: had to use A and Z. I mean, why are

1859
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 3: you pulling that face at me? Producer? It is bold,

1860
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 3: but it's true. I'm going to back it up right now.

1861
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 3: So once upon a time I decided to bank with Kiwibank.

1862
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 3: But then Kiwi Bank. This was being nineteen round about there.

1863
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 3: They decided to d bank the mining industry, which now

1864
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 3: all the banks are getting into the d banking. They

1865
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 3: think it's fun, and gas station don't want to bank

1866
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 3: you anymore. Farmers don't want to bank you anymore. But

1867
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 3: back then it was still novel. And they debanked the

1868
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 3: mine industry on the West Coast, and I got the

1869
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 3: West Coast got upset about it, and I thought, no,

1870
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 3: this is ridiculous. I don't want to finance. I don't

1871
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 3: want to financially support an institution that is this ridiculous.

1872
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 3: So I pulled all of my banking from Kiwibank, and

1873
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, try. Jane said, well, geez. From the

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01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 3: frying pan to the fire. It was like, I don't

1875
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 3: know which was worse that the principles at the Green

1876
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 3: Bank or just the customer service at the Blue Bank.

1877
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 3: It was hidious, so I didn't last very long and

1878
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 3: I went back to ASB. ASB is where I started

1879
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 3: my banking journey at the age of eighty years old.

1880
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 3: Do you know, like, do you remember when they came here,

1881
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 3: they gave you the little book and that because I

1882
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 3: was I was at a school, I was at primary

1883
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 3: school that gave me the little book, a little elephant

1884
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 3: thing and I picked my pin and it's been my

1885
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 3: pin ever since. Don't if you know my pin, don't

1886
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 3: try to rip me off. But more now in the

1887
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 3: bank than there was when I was eight. And can

1888
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 3: I just tell you ASB absolute legends. I love banking

1889
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 3: with ASB. I don't care that they're Australian. They are awesome.

1890
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 3: They are so good at what they do. They're they're

1891
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 3: app a simple Their phone banking is simple if you.

1892
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 6: Have to do that.

1893
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 3: They're customer services on point. Just want to tell And

1894
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 3: I'm not even getting any money for telling you that.

1895
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 3: I get no money from ASB for telling you that.

1896
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 3: Just get fantastic service. Sixteen away from seven, everything.

1897
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: From SIMS to the Big Corporates, The Business Hour with

1898
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: Heather duplic Ellen and Mayor's Insurance and Investments, Grow Your Wealth,

1899
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: Protect Your Future Youth.

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01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 3: Talks ed be Kevin Gray are UK correspondents with us. Heykevin, Hi,

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01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 3: there any idea what this hostile state is?

1902
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 14: No?

1903
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 2: I think there's all sorts of potential roomors of course

1904
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,599
Speaker 2: pointing the finger at different groups, including the recent arrests

1905
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 2: we've had in connection with activities said to be spying

1906
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 2: on behalf of Iran. So I guess that country must

1907
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 2: be high up the list. But these are three incidents

1908
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 2: that have been linked to property that either Keirstarmer owns

1909
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 2: or has owned, so our own prime ministers are former

1910
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 2: car which he sold to a neighbor that's been set

1911
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:00,600
Speaker 2: on fire in North London, near to a that he

1912
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 2: used to live in that was a converted house into

1913
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 2: a number of flats. He used to live there he

1914
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 2: doesn't anymore, that have a fire. One person had to

1915
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 2: be rescued. And now the house that he owns but

1916
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 2: rents out because he's living in Downing Street that have

1917
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,799
Speaker 2: a fire outside the front door. Again nobody injured, thankfully,

1918
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 2: but there was damage to the entrance way so three

1919
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:26,679
Speaker 2: fires connect to two securestarma within three or four days,

1920
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 2: and police believe the culprit is intending to endanger life.

1921
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: They have now arrested a twenty one year old man.

1922
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 2: But to the question is what is the motive? And

1923
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 2: it's being investigated by counter terrorism police. So is this

1924
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 2: some sort of a hostile foreign state that's looking at

1925
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 2: this or not At the moment, lots of unanswered questions,

1926
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 2: investigations continue.

1927
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 3: Kevin, tell me about this King of Germany. I mean,

1928
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 3: was the sky serious?

1929
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1930
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 2: He is in his own way, shall I say, fifty

1931
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 2: nine year old Peter fitzg He's among a number of

1932
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:05,480
Speaker 2: people arrested in some raids involving eight hundred security personnel

1933
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 2: and across seven states of Germany. Now he is the

1934
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 2: leader of what's called the Reichsberger or the citizens of

1935
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 2: the Reich. They seek to establish what they call koenig

1936
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 2: Kraaich Deutschland or Kingdom of Germany. And he is quite

1937
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 2: a character and in the past has called himself king.

1938
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 2: He says Peter, he referred himself to an earlier court

1939
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:34,799
Speaker 2: case and Reichberger's had their own currency, flag and ID cards.

1940
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 2: They want to set up a separate banking and health system,

1941
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 2: and they believe the current German state is sick and satanic.

1942
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 2: And yeah, he has around about twenty five thousand members

1943
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 2: of this group, of which he is their sort of

1944
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 2: self fulfilled king and they are his subjects. But there

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Speaker 2: does appear to be some right wing extremist element to this.

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Speaker 2: They pedal racist, anti Semitic conspiracy theories, at least that's

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Speaker 2: what the prosecutors are saying. And in the past, although

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Speaker 2: they've often been dismissed as eccentric cranks because of these

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Speaker 2: outlandish ideas, the far right has grown considerably in strength

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Speaker 2: politically in Germany over the last decade.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, when these civil servants that are being moved

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Speaker 3: out of London, where are they going.

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Speaker 2: Well to Manchester in the northwest of England, Aberdeen in Scotland.

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Speaker 2: And the government says it's going to save roughly two

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Speaker 2: hundred million New Zealand dollars a year, aiming to take

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Speaker 2: twelve thousand posts out of London and close eleven offices

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Speaker 2: in London. Now, this is all meant to sort of,

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Speaker 2: you know, get the government closer to the people that

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Speaker 2: it's serving, etc. It's also about saving money. This is

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Speaker 2: not the first government to have pledged to do this. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think of every single successive government that

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Speaker 2: we've had in the last few years said we're going

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Speaker 2: to do this.

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Speaker 6: But of course civil servants.

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Speaker 2: Who have families in London are very reluctant to move,

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Speaker 2: and already the unions are saying we need to look

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Speaker 2: at the fine print of this and what it'll mean

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Speaker 2: for our members. But this is something that this government

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Speaker 2: is absolutely desperate to crack down on the number of

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Speaker 2: civil servants since the pandemic has absolutely just rocketed and

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Speaker 2: now tops over half a million civil servants, increasing considerably

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Speaker 2: since twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you, Gavin, always appreciated Gavin Gray, UK correspondent.

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Speaker 3: Hither ditto ASB is the bomb, Hither the pay definitely

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Speaker 3: needs to be docked. Banning from the House's no penalty

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Speaker 3: at all for the Mardi Party because they already have

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Speaker 3: the lowest attendance rate, which is fair enough. So what's

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Speaker 3: happened is yet, look, when they're suspended from the House,

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Speaker 3: they have their paydoct for the duration they will not

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Speaker 3: receive the money, so nothing going in there ASB accounts

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Speaker 3: isn't there. It turns out I'd ask this question earlier

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Speaker 3: in the week why Hana raif Raft might be klug

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Speaker 3: is getting a lesser punishment than the other two because

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Speaker 3: she actually started the behavior. She started the hugger. It's

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Speaker 3: because she has demonstrated some level of contrition towards the

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Speaker 3: Speaker for the effect that her actions have had on

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Speaker 3: the House. This is in her written statement. They also

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Speaker 3: say it is the Privileges Committee. We acknowledge the severity

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Speaker 3: of the penalties imposed on Debingado, Wapaka and Arawaduwitity, which

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Speaker 3: is three weeks suspension. Suspension from the House deprives the

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Speaker 3: members constituencies of a voice in Parliament. However, we intend

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Speaker 3: to leave members in no doubt that the behavior discussed

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Speaker 3: is not acceptable and that the intimidation of the other

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Speaker 3: members of the House is treated with utmost seriousness, and

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Speaker 3: we expect that future breaches of privilege or contempt of

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Speaker 3: this nature will be met with similar severity. So if

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Speaker 3: they do it again, it's three weeks again. Nine away

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Speaker 3: from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tip c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 3: Hither it's alja funny thing. Went to the A and

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Speaker 3: Z and Hastings Today's to buy some Australian cash for

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Speaker 3: my upcoming holiday. They no longer sell foreign currency, none

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Speaker 3: of the banks in the serious salet who knew well

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Speaker 3: as I didn't know. But also, why do you need

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Speaker 3: to buy cash? Don't you just go get on the plane,

2007
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Speaker 3: fly to Australia, get off the plane, go to the ATM,

2008
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Speaker 3: put your card in and get the cash out. We'll

2009
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Speaker 3: just use your card. It's twenty twenty five l J.

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Speaker 3: That's how it works nowadays. Now Rico Yuanni, Okay, I

2011
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Speaker 3: have done my utmost to find out what's going on

2012
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Speaker 3: with Rico Yuanni's face, because we've talked. We talked about

2013
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Speaker 3: it yesterday and I said I would come back to

2014
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Speaker 3: you around about this time in the show. And I said,

2015
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Speaker 3: I'll come back to you. And I know you're tuning

2016
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Speaker 3: in to find out what happened to Rico Yuanni's face.

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Speaker 3: So I said to Elliott, have a look at Rico

2018
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Speaker 3: and tell me what's going on there. He said, yeah, look,

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Speaker 3: he thinks what's happened is Rico has trimmed down somewhat,

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Speaker 3: and so therefore his cheeks are a little bit less full,

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Speaker 3: and he's really showing off those cheek bones, and I

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Speaker 3: think that is true. I think that could be it.

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Speaker 3: I then spent a lot of time googling Rico Yuanni

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Speaker 3: and just looking at pictures of him. Something has happened.

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Speaker 3: It's like you know how, you know how when you

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Speaker 3: know when a teenager, you haven't seen a teenager for

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Speaker 3: a bit, and then you see that they're like you

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Speaker 3: saw them last time, they were a kid, and suddenly

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Speaker 3: they're a man. This is what's happened to Rico. Like

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Speaker 3: he was just a young one before, but suddenly he's

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Speaker 3: just a really handsome man. He's like a man now. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: so I called the Blues. I said to the media guy, Look,

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Speaker 3: did I not tell you that, Laura, would you have

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Speaker 3: preferred it? If I left you to do that, It's

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Speaker 3: probably would have been wiser.

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Speaker 8: Ah.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I called him. I called Johnny. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Johnny said, Johnny listens, Heather from Newsawk. It's a bit

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Speaker 3: of a weird one for you. But we think something's

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Speaker 3: happened to Rico and we want to know what it

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Speaker 3: is because it's puzzling us. He said, well, he did

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Speaker 3: go straight from a sprint session dripping in sweat, is

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Speaker 3: it dripping in sweat to the interview, So we concluded

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Speaker 3: that possibly what may have happened was that there was

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Speaker 3: a little bit of like an endorphin flush going on

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Speaker 3: or something like that. He said, look, i'll go find

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Speaker 3: out and i'll come back to you, And then he

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Speaker 3: texted me and he said nothing different at this end,

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Speaker 3: maybe just a few extra reps at the jail. So look,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Essentially, what I'm telling you is that my

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Speaker 3: investigation into Rico's face has come up inconclusive. It would

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Speaker 3: appear possibly he's just got a new beard cut, new haircut,

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Speaker 3: trimmed down, become a man, and he's just about one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent six here. That's all.

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Speaker 17: And never let it be said that we don't do

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Speaker 17: any I think you've covered every possible angle on that story.

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Speaker 6: Hither.

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Speaker 17: I can't see what I could possibly add for the

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Speaker 17: last of time. Yeah, you've done a lot.

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Speaker 6: Of work on it very well.

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Speaker 3: Now I'd say I hate to doing it.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, No, And we need to give people a variety

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Speaker 17: as well. Twenty thousand dollars someone has paid to be

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Speaker 17: Jeene Simmons roady for a day twenty thousand New Zealand dollars.

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Speaker 17: It was twelve thousand, five hundred US, which is a

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Speaker 17: lot of money. But the fan who had the chance

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Speaker 17: to do it has come out afterwards and said he

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Speaker 17: absolutely loves it, does not regret it at all, said

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Speaker 17: him and his son got to go on stage with

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Speaker 17: Jeene Simmons, got to have the whole experience of the concert.

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Speaker 17: And he's been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, and it's put

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Speaker 17: in perspective his life the important of having experiences. And

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Speaker 17: he said it was an absolutely great time. So good

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Speaker 17: on you retired fifty ten your old correction, Sergeant Dwayne Rosato.

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Speaker 3: Do you know that Gene Simmons is one of the

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Speaker 3: most boring people in real life, Like, not in a

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Speaker 3: bad way, just like he is such a square. That

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Speaker 3: whole outfit, that whole get up is just all performative.

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Speaker 17: Well, I'm glad that he was fun to hang out.

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Speaker 17: I'm with twenty thousand. I was hanging out with a

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Speaker 17: boring person and I'm glad it was worth it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Hey, enjoy evening. See you tomorrow.

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