1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks ed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio, 3 00:00:19,253 --> 00:00:20,813 Speaker 1: Straight down the Middle of. 4 00:00:20,933 --> 00:00:25,293 Speaker 2: Drum Dickney Score, Try these. 5 00:00:25,213 --> 00:00:33,213 Speaker 1: Pocket inside the Game from every angle. It's Rugby Direct 6 00:00:33,333 --> 00:00:37,013 Speaker 1: with Elliott Smith and Leam Napier, powered by News Talks EDB. 7 00:00:37,253 --> 00:00:40,333 Speaker 3: Welcome into Rugby Direct, powered by Forkliffs Solutions, lifting you 8 00:00:40,453 --> 00:00:44,373 Speaker 3: and your business to a higher level. Elligant Smith talk 9 00:00:44,693 --> 00:00:48,253 Speaker 3: Lead Rugby commentator and with me as always Liam Napier, 10 00:00:48,493 --> 00:00:50,973 Speaker 3: Rugby correspondent from the New Zealand Herald, checking in from 11 00:00:51,013 --> 00:00:56,253 Speaker 3: buea side Is Airport's Liam Welcome and hopefully you're you're 12 00:00:56,253 --> 00:00:58,173 Speaker 3: parked up and ready to get some shut eye on 13 00:00:58,173 --> 00:00:59,053 Speaker 3: the big verd back home. 14 00:01:00,573 --> 00:01:05,293 Speaker 4: Wella eliotto, that's how I'm gonna deem your name and 15 00:01:05,493 --> 00:01:08,653 Speaker 4: to be Spanish in your and yes, long fly home 16 00:01:08,733 --> 00:01:13,173 Speaker 4: three three flights via Santiago and Australia, but it will 17 00:01:13,213 --> 00:01:16,133 Speaker 4: be an even longer flight home for the All Blackswona 18 00:01:16,173 --> 00:01:17,573 Speaker 4: after that result. 19 00:01:18,053 --> 00:01:20,733 Speaker 2: Yeah, it will be top line thoughts. Let's get into it. 20 00:01:20,853 --> 00:01:22,613 Speaker 3: What did you make of that being on the ground 21 00:01:22,653 --> 00:01:26,533 Speaker 3: and seeing that performance from the All Blacks. 22 00:01:26,893 --> 00:01:29,613 Speaker 4: Well, it was a very special night for Los Pumas 23 00:01:29,693 --> 00:01:33,173 Speaker 4: and Argentina. Their first win over the All Blacks in 24 00:01:33,413 --> 00:01:37,813 Speaker 4: Argentina in the eighteenth attempt. They'd had the draw in 25 00:01:37,893 --> 00:01:40,933 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty five. And I'll tell you what, they enjoyed 26 00:01:40,973 --> 00:01:45,773 Speaker 4: it because they were rocking at the stadium, the Pumas 27 00:01:45,773 --> 00:01:48,773 Speaker 4: that a victory lap afterwards, not a soul left. 28 00:01:48,893 --> 00:01:52,253 Speaker 5: They were bouncing, singing, chanting. 29 00:01:52,453 --> 00:01:55,493 Speaker 4: So they really enjoyed that result and they fully deserved it. 30 00:01:55,613 --> 00:01:57,893 Speaker 4: And look, I'm gotta be honest, I did not see 31 00:01:57,933 --> 00:01:59,373 Speaker 4: that result coming for the All Blacks. 32 00:01:59,373 --> 00:02:00,813 Speaker 5: Did not see that performance coming. 33 00:02:01,213 --> 00:02:04,493 Speaker 4: It wasn't as if Scott Robertson rested a bunch of players. 34 00:02:05,133 --> 00:02:07,533 Speaker 5: I actually thought he was quite conservative. 35 00:02:07,573 --> 00:02:10,333 Speaker 4: I would have liked to seen Kyle Preston get to 36 00:02:10,373 --> 00:02:13,013 Speaker 4: go on the bench, maybe a Leroy Carter as well. 37 00:02:13,173 --> 00:02:17,133 Speaker 4: But he rolled out his best team, best available, only 38 00:02:17,133 --> 00:02:21,853 Speaker 4: made one starting change, and the performance didn't match that. 39 00:02:21,813 --> 00:02:22,813 Speaker 5: Did it? It was? 40 00:02:24,213 --> 00:02:28,493 Speaker 4: It was terrible, really, three yellow cards, but it just 41 00:02:28,533 --> 00:02:30,533 Speaker 4: goes so much wider than that. They all Becks missed 42 00:02:30,573 --> 00:02:36,333 Speaker 4: forty tackles, their composure at the death. They couldn't reel 43 00:02:36,373 --> 00:02:40,893 Speaker 4: the Pumas in their restarts they couldn't get that going 44 00:02:41,013 --> 00:02:45,413 Speaker 4: and they couldn't penetrate the Puma's defense, so some glaring 45 00:02:45,453 --> 00:02:47,573 Speaker 4: issues under the high ball as well, So there's a 46 00:02:47,613 --> 00:02:49,653 Speaker 4: lot to fix in the next two weeks before Crob 47 00:02:49,773 --> 00:02:50,533 Speaker 4: fronting the box. 48 00:02:50,693 --> 00:02:51,493 Speaker 5: Eden Parker isn't there. 49 00:02:51,453 --> 00:02:52,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, there certainly is. 50 00:02:52,733 --> 00:02:54,573 Speaker 3: It's hard to know really where to start in a 51 00:02:54,653 --> 00:02:57,213 Speaker 3: performance as bad as that. For me, I think it 52 00:02:57,213 --> 00:02:59,733 Speaker 3: was probably their worst performance, maybe since the twenty nineteen 53 00:02:59,773 --> 00:03:02,893 Speaker 3: World Cup semi final against England where they just didn't 54 00:03:02,893 --> 00:03:04,133 Speaker 3: fire a shot that night. 55 00:03:04,173 --> 00:03:05,093 Speaker 2: It felt similarly. 56 00:03:05,213 --> 00:03:06,933 Speaker 3: I know they had a couple of tries and they 57 00:03:06,973 --> 00:03:09,733 Speaker 3: were at one stage leading, but that was a performance 58 00:03:09,813 --> 00:03:13,733 Speaker 3: with virtually no positives whatsoever, and it's really hard to 59 00:03:13,773 --> 00:03:16,413 Speaker 3: know where to start. As I said in regards to that, 60 00:03:16,573 --> 00:03:19,813 Speaker 3: but just the probably all start the aerial contest and 61 00:03:20,253 --> 00:03:22,973 Speaker 3: the All Blacks is getting completely outdone. In the year 62 00:03:23,013 --> 00:03:24,853 Speaker 3: Will Jordan had one of his worst nights as an 63 00:03:24,893 --> 00:03:28,373 Speaker 3: All Black. They were targeted there, couldn't win anything aerially, 64 00:03:28,533 --> 00:03:32,173 Speaker 3: and just really seem to battle with not only the 65 00:03:32,213 --> 00:03:34,653 Speaker 3: aerial contest, but also restarts as an area that they 66 00:03:34,733 --> 00:03:37,733 Speaker 3: can increasingly coming under pressure and not able to get 67 00:03:37,773 --> 00:03:40,733 Speaker 3: clean ball off the back of it, but lost Pombers 68 00:03:41,013 --> 00:03:43,493 Speaker 3: basically unlocked the key to the fence by hammering the 69 00:03:43,533 --> 00:03:45,773 Speaker 3: All Blacks with the aerial contest, and the All Blacks 70 00:03:46,253 --> 00:03:48,973 Speaker 3: spilled the ball, couldn't take it cleanly on a number 71 00:03:49,053 --> 00:03:49,733 Speaker 3: of occasions. 72 00:03:49,773 --> 00:03:51,333 Speaker 2: It was really really poor. 73 00:03:53,373 --> 00:03:56,413 Speaker 5: It was Elliott and this is not something new. 74 00:03:56,493 --> 00:03:59,333 Speaker 4: We've talked about that the All Blacks issues under the 75 00:03:59,413 --> 00:04:02,613 Speaker 4: high ball. Certainly for all of this year and probably 76 00:04:02,613 --> 00:04:06,693 Speaker 4: going back to last year. The wingers, the selections there 77 00:04:06,813 --> 00:04:08,133 Speaker 4: have been under the. 78 00:04:08,053 --> 00:04:09,173 Speaker 5: Spot light, haven't they. 79 00:04:09,773 --> 00:04:12,093 Speaker 4: I spoke to Will Jordan after the game and he said, look, 80 00:04:12,133 --> 00:04:14,333 Speaker 4: we knew it was coming and we didn't deal with it. 81 00:04:14,773 --> 00:04:17,733 Speaker 4: So it's not as if Piel Blacks were blindsided. The 82 00:04:17,773 --> 00:04:20,213 Speaker 4: Pumas are a team that kick a lots, are very 83 00:04:20,213 --> 00:04:24,693 Speaker 4: good in the air, but there's it's an area where 84 00:04:24,693 --> 00:04:26,973 Speaker 4: there's been a rule change in recent years where you 85 00:04:27,413 --> 00:04:30,053 Speaker 4: can't protect the jumper, can you. 86 00:04:30,093 --> 00:04:33,653 Speaker 5: There's no blocking and that makes it a bit of 87 00:04:33,653 --> 00:04:34,333 Speaker 5: a free for all. 88 00:04:34,413 --> 00:04:38,013 Speaker 4: So you've got loose Ford's wingers throwing arms in and 89 00:04:38,773 --> 00:04:40,573 Speaker 4: it makes a bit of a scrappy contest and the 90 00:04:40,613 --> 00:04:42,933 Speaker 4: All Blacks just didn't deal with that. There were times 91 00:04:42,973 --> 00:04:46,533 Speaker 4: also when it wasn't just the back three that kicks 92 00:04:46,573 --> 00:04:48,413 Speaker 4: went up in the middle of the field and players 93 00:04:48,413 --> 00:04:50,813 Speaker 4: were standing around looking at each other, and then you've 94 00:04:50,813 --> 00:04:53,253 Speaker 4: got a case of fin Lay Christie, one of the 95 00:04:53,253 --> 00:04:55,693 Speaker 4: smallest fokes on the field trying to leap up and 96 00:04:56,133 --> 00:05:00,053 Speaker 4: claim the high ball. So lack of communication, lack of accuracy, 97 00:05:00,573 --> 00:05:03,813 Speaker 4: and that's certainly an area where the spring Box targeted 98 00:05:03,813 --> 00:05:06,453 Speaker 4: the Wallabies, and looking at the tape of field Blacks 99 00:05:06,453 --> 00:05:08,533 Speaker 4: and the Boomers, they'll come for them hard again there 100 00:05:08,573 --> 00:05:08,933 Speaker 4: as well. 101 00:05:09,093 --> 00:05:11,853 Speaker 3: We might get into some changes or possible personnel changes 102 00:05:11,853 --> 00:05:14,133 Speaker 3: a little bit later, but what are the immediate solutions 103 00:05:14,133 --> 00:05:17,373 Speaker 3: do you think to fixing this aerial problem? And it's 104 00:05:17,413 --> 00:05:20,773 Speaker 3: not as simple as just hammering aerial practice at training, surely, 105 00:05:20,853 --> 00:05:24,173 Speaker 3: but they need to find solutions pretty quick because as 106 00:05:24,213 --> 00:05:26,293 Speaker 3: you said that the spring Box are going to bring 107 00:05:26,333 --> 00:05:29,013 Speaker 3: exactly the same thing. And maybe it's in the coaching 108 00:05:29,053 --> 00:05:33,453 Speaker 3: setup where they just don't have that kind of personnel 109 00:05:33,613 --> 00:05:36,773 Speaker 3: at the moment to be able to teach that aerial contest. 110 00:05:36,813 --> 00:05:39,333 Speaker 3: You think of mcburn makes the kick who is part 111 00:05:39,333 --> 00:05:41,893 Speaker 3: of that all black set up for so long AFL background, 112 00:05:42,053 --> 00:05:44,093 Speaker 3: I mean, is there someone like him that could potentially 113 00:05:44,133 --> 00:05:47,853 Speaker 3: come in, you know, not mcburn specifically, but someone from 114 00:05:47,893 --> 00:05:50,613 Speaker 3: the AFL round where aerial kicking is so big and 115 00:05:50,893 --> 00:05:53,133 Speaker 3: pressure is such a big thing, that could maybe come in. 116 00:05:53,293 --> 00:05:55,533 Speaker 3: Or is it just a matter of hammering that high 117 00:05:55,573 --> 00:05:57,493 Speaker 3: ball that training over the next week or so. 118 00:05:59,333 --> 00:06:01,813 Speaker 4: That's a good point you raised. Mcburn was very specialist 119 00:06:02,293 --> 00:06:04,933 Speaker 4: in that regard, wasn't he. I'm sure there's others they 120 00:06:05,893 --> 00:06:10,093 Speaker 4: could well tap into. To Wayne Smith, he's in an 121 00:06:10,133 --> 00:06:13,453 Speaker 4: advisory capacity for Scott Robertson to tap into it at 122 00:06:13,493 --> 00:06:16,733 Speaker 4: any time. He might have some thoughts on how to 123 00:06:16,773 --> 00:06:19,573 Speaker 4: improve that area. Look, i'd back a guy like Will 124 00:06:19,653 --> 00:06:22,933 Speaker 4: Jordan to bounce back from that performance, but I think 125 00:06:23,173 --> 00:06:25,853 Speaker 4: someone like a moaning Daraua is actually really good in 126 00:06:25,893 --> 00:06:30,453 Speaker 4: the air, very skillful. But it's probably not on just 127 00:06:30,573 --> 00:06:35,093 Speaker 4: the catcher alone. Bill Blicks need to find ways to 128 00:06:36,973 --> 00:06:39,013 Speaker 4: You can't protect the kicker as such, but you can 129 00:06:39,133 --> 00:06:42,413 Speaker 4: have people stationed around so when that ball does get 130 00:06:42,453 --> 00:06:45,733 Speaker 4: slapped back, that get that hunger, get that desire to 131 00:06:45,773 --> 00:06:48,733 Speaker 4: dive on it, to be first there to communicate well. 132 00:06:48,853 --> 00:06:52,533 Speaker 4: So I think there are there are fixes, but it's 133 00:06:52,573 --> 00:06:55,613 Speaker 4: an area that they desperately need to address, and for me, 134 00:06:55,733 --> 00:06:58,853 Speaker 4: I would have Ammani Naraua coming in for sever Reese. 135 00:06:59,733 --> 00:07:01,893 Speaker 4: I'm not sure if lee Roy Carter is necessarily the 136 00:07:01,933 --> 00:07:04,533 Speaker 4: answer because he's another small winger, isn't he So I 137 00:07:04,533 --> 00:07:07,653 Speaker 4: think he would potentially be targeted there. But I think 138 00:07:07,693 --> 00:07:10,733 Speaker 4: you're right that's is certainly in the spotlight. 139 00:07:11,133 --> 00:07:14,333 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Look Caleb Clark can't be too far away either. 140 00:07:14,453 --> 00:07:17,213 Speaker 3: Not sure if he were ready for South Africa as yet, 141 00:07:17,213 --> 00:07:19,093 Speaker 3: but he's another player that is strong area. 142 00:07:19,213 --> 00:07:21,013 Speaker 2: We've seen it a lot of times for the Blues. 143 00:07:21,453 --> 00:07:24,853 Speaker 3: He'll be a welcome addition back to that All Blacks 144 00:07:25,733 --> 00:07:27,613 Speaker 3: backline in terms of what he can do e really, 145 00:07:27,613 --> 00:07:31,733 Speaker 3: which probably flows into the wings and the area that 146 00:07:31,773 --> 00:07:33,613 Speaker 3: the All Blacks just weren't able to get a lot 147 00:07:33,653 --> 00:07:38,293 Speaker 3: out of, both distribution wise but also through meters gained 148 00:07:38,413 --> 00:07:42,333 Speaker 3: over the course of the game. Sever Reese and Rico 149 00:07:42,373 --> 00:07:45,573 Speaker 3: Yuwanne have been stationed there for a couple of tests 150 00:07:45,573 --> 00:07:50,093 Speaker 3: now and really didn't have a huge influence on the game. 151 00:07:50,733 --> 00:07:53,493 Speaker 3: Sevu was quite quiet. I think he had four carries 152 00:07:53,533 --> 00:07:57,373 Speaker 3: in the end. Rico Yowane was similarly quiet. He had 153 00:07:57,893 --> 00:08:02,373 Speaker 3: two carries on the night and obviously no line breaks 154 00:08:02,373 --> 00:08:04,373 Speaker 3: between either of them, because there's only one line break 155 00:08:04,373 --> 00:08:05,933 Speaker 3: from the All Blacks during the game. But I think 156 00:08:06,453 --> 00:08:08,933 Speaker 3: big picture, the wings are a real issue the All Blacks, 157 00:08:09,093 --> 00:08:13,253 Speaker 3: which flows into that aerial kicking problem as well. 158 00:08:13,293 --> 00:08:15,373 Speaker 4: It does, and that's probably a reflection of the back 159 00:08:15,413 --> 00:08:19,733 Speaker 4: line attack in general, isn't it. Elliott's I think there's 160 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:22,373 Speaker 4: As you mentioned, they're one line break, but the week 161 00:08:22,453 --> 00:08:25,853 Speaker 4: previous when the All Blacks got a bonus point winners 162 00:08:25,853 --> 00:08:29,013 Speaker 4: scored six tries, there was only two line brakes, So 163 00:08:29,813 --> 00:08:31,533 Speaker 4: the back line attack is quite. 164 00:08:31,413 --> 00:08:34,013 Speaker 5: Clunky at the moment. They're not getting the best from that. 165 00:08:34,213 --> 00:08:37,213 Speaker 4: I think at the weekend only had about forty percent 166 00:08:37,253 --> 00:08:39,493 Speaker 4: of the ball and what they did have was not 167 00:08:39,653 --> 00:08:40,893 Speaker 4: on a front foot platform. 168 00:08:40,933 --> 00:08:43,493 Speaker 5: They had vastly less. 169 00:08:43,373 --> 00:08:46,333 Speaker 4: Post contact meters than the Pumas, who were led by 170 00:08:46,373 --> 00:08:49,733 Speaker 4: an inspirational performance from Pablo Matela. They got some real 171 00:08:49,813 --> 00:08:52,573 Speaker 4: pay from their big forwards punching through the middle of 172 00:08:52,613 --> 00:08:57,333 Speaker 4: the All Blacks. So yeah, I think attack in general, 173 00:08:57,613 --> 00:09:00,253 Speaker 4: but you want your wings going looking for work as well. 174 00:09:00,333 --> 00:09:03,693 Speaker 4: So those carry stats are quite alarming from from the 175 00:09:03,693 --> 00:09:04,653 Speaker 4: All Black swings, aren't they. 176 00:09:04,733 --> 00:09:07,693 Speaker 3: Yeah they are, and you're right, post contact meters is staggering. 177 00:09:07,733 --> 00:09:09,813 Speaker 3: And these are the if you're not much of a 178 00:09:09,893 --> 00:09:12,013 Speaker 3: rugby stats, and now these are the meters basically, once 179 00:09:12,013 --> 00:09:14,893 Speaker 3: the first contact is initiated by the defense line, how 180 00:09:14,933 --> 00:09:17,893 Speaker 3: many more meters you get after that? And Argentina just 181 00:09:17,933 --> 00:09:20,533 Speaker 3: absolutely bossed the All Blacks when it came to that. 182 00:09:20,613 --> 00:09:21,773 Speaker 2: In the game yesterday. 183 00:09:22,293 --> 00:09:25,253 Speaker 3: The stats were quite astounding in the end, three hundred 184 00:09:25,293 --> 00:09:27,373 Speaker 3: and ninety two post contact meters to one hundred and 185 00:09:27,373 --> 00:09:30,973 Speaker 3: fifty four meters carried Oney one hundred and three versus 186 00:09:31,013 --> 00:09:34,533 Speaker 3: five hundred and thirty, which speaks to a whole back 187 00:09:34,613 --> 00:09:35,573 Speaker 3: line issue. 188 00:09:35,733 --> 00:09:36,813 Speaker 2: The attack was clunky. 189 00:09:36,893 --> 00:09:40,813 Speaker 3: Didn't help that Cortez Ratzima went off in the eighteenth minute. 190 00:09:40,813 --> 00:09:44,253 Speaker 3: Finlay Christy came on and did a serviceable job. I thought, 191 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:47,133 Speaker 3: probably in fact, one of the better All Blacks backs 192 00:09:47,933 --> 00:09:49,893 Speaker 3: on that night. Don't think he's a long term answer, 193 00:09:49,933 --> 00:09:54,733 Speaker 3: but it was just clunky, and the back line is 194 00:09:54,853 --> 00:09:59,493 Speaker 3: seemingly just. It feels like seven individuals playing to their 195 00:09:59,493 --> 00:10:03,173 Speaker 3: own tune, their own rhythm. At the moment, no one's leading, 196 00:10:03,373 --> 00:10:07,733 Speaker 3: and they're basically waiting for individual moments of brilliants for 197 00:10:07,813 --> 00:10:10,533 Speaker 3: something to happen. And that is not going to win 198 00:10:10,613 --> 00:10:11,773 Speaker 3: too many rugby matches. 199 00:10:13,293 --> 00:10:13,613 Speaker 5: It's not. 200 00:10:13,813 --> 00:10:17,333 Speaker 4: And you're right, I think they are playing as individuals 201 00:10:17,373 --> 00:10:19,973 Speaker 4: and I think one of the problems is that it 202 00:10:19,973 --> 00:10:22,133 Speaker 4: looks to me like they're drifting quite a lot across 203 00:10:22,173 --> 00:10:25,853 Speaker 4: the field. They need somebody to straight They needs some 204 00:10:25,893 --> 00:10:29,653 Speaker 4: deception in terms of changes of angles and to punch 205 00:10:29,693 --> 00:10:35,013 Speaker 4: some holes, some real direct, strong carries. And yeah, if 206 00:10:35,053 --> 00:10:37,493 Speaker 4: you go back the previous week when they scored six tries, 207 00:10:37,533 --> 00:10:39,973 Speaker 4: I think what's one two? 208 00:10:40,053 --> 00:10:41,653 Speaker 5: Three of those came off the mall. 209 00:10:42,573 --> 00:10:45,013 Speaker 4: One was an individual piece of brilliance from Will Jordan, 210 00:10:45,133 --> 00:10:49,773 Speaker 4: so they only really created two tries. So this is 211 00:10:49,813 --> 00:10:53,213 Speaker 4: not a new issue. I think. To be fair to 212 00:10:53,253 --> 00:10:55,133 Speaker 4: the All Blacks back line, they didn't have that front 213 00:10:55,133 --> 00:10:59,533 Speaker 4: foot platform. They had limited ball against Argentina. But it 214 00:10:59,653 --> 00:11:03,293 Speaker 4: is a worry because their attack is not firing and 215 00:11:03,693 --> 00:11:07,493 Speaker 4: your Blacks are only really getting dominance in scoring points 216 00:11:07,693 --> 00:11:10,373 Speaker 4: when they go to their set peace strength that their 217 00:11:10,413 --> 00:11:12,853 Speaker 4: line out as a real weapon for them. Their scrum 218 00:11:13,253 --> 00:11:16,933 Speaker 4: is still functioning very well the mall, but the back 219 00:11:16,973 --> 00:11:19,373 Speaker 4: line is a big question mark. 220 00:11:19,653 --> 00:11:22,333 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you look at the carries for the All Blacks, 221 00:11:22,453 --> 00:11:25,493 Speaker 3: nine for artis a v seven each for Scott Barrett 222 00:11:25,493 --> 00:11:28,653 Speaker 3: and Will Jordan, five for Proctor and Taylor and Takyaho, 223 00:11:29,893 --> 00:11:33,213 Speaker 3: those numbers that are dominated by the Fords, which to 224 00:11:33,253 --> 00:11:38,173 Speaker 3: an extent you would expect largely, but there's not enough 225 00:11:38,173 --> 00:11:42,493 Speaker 3: carries their Publimitariy had eighteen for the Pumas and was 226 00:11:42,533 --> 00:11:46,253 Speaker 3: getting GameLine meters every time that he carried in what 227 00:11:46,373 --> 00:11:50,213 Speaker 3: I thought was a staggerantly good performance from the Pumas. 228 00:11:50,533 --> 00:11:52,453 Speaker 3: Another one to touch on is the discipline, and this 229 00:11:52,533 --> 00:11:54,933 Speaker 3: has been an issue for the All Blacks not only 230 00:11:55,013 --> 00:11:58,893 Speaker 3: for the last eighteen months, but for basically the last 231 00:11:59,493 --> 00:12:03,893 Speaker 3: dare I say a decade or thereabouts. Their discipline is 232 00:12:04,013 --> 00:12:06,493 Speaker 3: playing to the rules that they think should be in 233 00:12:06,533 --> 00:12:09,613 Speaker 3: the game, not the rules that actually are there. And 234 00:12:10,533 --> 00:12:14,133 Speaker 3: Will Jordan, you know, changing his line yesterday sevu Reese 235 00:12:14,373 --> 00:12:17,413 Speaker 3: with the charge down pass. I mean, I don't like 236 00:12:17,533 --> 00:12:20,613 Speaker 3: that rule particularly much, but it was clear and obvious 237 00:12:20,653 --> 00:12:23,053 Speaker 3: what he did there, and that's going to invite a 238 00:12:23,133 --> 00:12:25,653 Speaker 3: yellow card there every day of the week. Two PO 239 00:12:25,773 --> 00:12:27,973 Speaker 3: five watched on replay a couple of times now for 240 00:12:28,653 --> 00:12:31,293 Speaker 3: what was being deemed there. I think Pablo Materia passing 241 00:12:31,693 --> 00:12:33,853 Speaker 3: in a knockdown. I don't think Pablo was trying to 242 00:12:33,853 --> 00:12:37,013 Speaker 3: pass it all I think may have been slightly dutted there, 243 00:12:37,013 --> 00:12:41,133 Speaker 3: but regardless, that's two yellow cards that were fairly legal, 244 00:12:41,213 --> 00:12:44,573 Speaker 3: three that were dished out. Penalty account was poor against 245 00:12:44,573 --> 00:12:47,373 Speaker 3: the All Blacks as well, and it's an ongoing issue 246 00:12:47,373 --> 00:12:49,773 Speaker 3: that the All Blacks just can't get their discipline right. 247 00:12:49,813 --> 00:12:53,693 Speaker 3: I know our colleague Greg called them dumb yesterday. What's 248 00:12:53,693 --> 00:12:54,333 Speaker 3: your take on it. 249 00:12:55,893 --> 00:12:59,613 Speaker 4: I think you can stomach penalties that effort plays, you know, 250 00:12:59,653 --> 00:13:03,053 Speaker 4: trying to get a turnover, maybe pushing it off the 251 00:13:03,093 --> 00:13:05,493 Speaker 4: line a bit quick, trying to make a tackle. But 252 00:13:05,613 --> 00:13:12,733 Speaker 4: it's the it's the unnecessary ones, brain explosions, and Bill Blacks. 253 00:13:12,333 --> 00:13:13,933 Speaker 5: Are self destructing at times. 254 00:13:14,013 --> 00:13:17,613 Speaker 4: They are self sabotaging by giving away these yellow cards 255 00:13:17,973 --> 00:13:23,133 Speaker 4: and inkbota. That's what allowed the Pumas to come back 256 00:13:23,173 --> 00:13:25,613 Speaker 4: into the match. So Bill Blacks would have talked about it, 257 00:13:25,653 --> 00:13:28,373 Speaker 4: they would have addressed it, and they haven't fixed it. 258 00:13:28,453 --> 00:13:32,373 Speaker 4: Two yellow cards last week, three, this week five and 259 00:13:32,453 --> 00:13:34,933 Speaker 4: two weeks it's far too many. Your blocks were down 260 00:13:35,013 --> 00:13:38,613 Speaker 4: to thirteen men at one point in the first half. 261 00:13:38,773 --> 00:13:42,093 Speaker 4: The actually managed that period really well, managed to hold 262 00:13:42,093 --> 00:13:44,653 Speaker 4: the Pumas up and Boden Barrett made a couple of 263 00:13:44,933 --> 00:13:48,493 Speaker 4: really telling tackles, but I think what that did that 264 00:13:48,573 --> 00:13:51,253 Speaker 4: periods and then when Seva Reese went off, which killed 265 00:13:51,653 --> 00:13:55,493 Speaker 4: any hopes of a comeback after SUMMERSONI Takeyaho scored. When 266 00:13:55,533 --> 00:13:58,013 Speaker 4: you're down one man at zaps your energy and I 267 00:13:58,013 --> 00:14:01,093 Speaker 4: think that's why the All Blacks missed well, it's partly 268 00:14:01,133 --> 00:14:03,213 Speaker 4: why they missed so many tackles because they were having 269 00:14:03,253 --> 00:14:06,413 Speaker 4: to scramble because they were tired, they had to go 270 00:14:06,453 --> 00:14:11,373 Speaker 4: to their bench early. And but it is a major issue, 271 00:14:11,413 --> 00:14:16,293 Speaker 4: isn't it, Because you can't afford to be reduced one 272 00:14:16,373 --> 00:14:21,053 Speaker 4: man two men because the compounding issues, and you end 273 00:14:21,093 --> 00:14:23,533 Speaker 4: up living without the ball, you end up defending long 274 00:14:23,573 --> 00:14:24,813 Speaker 4: periods and then you're fatigued. 275 00:14:25,213 --> 00:14:27,093 Speaker 5: So it's a vicious. 276 00:14:26,773 --> 00:14:27,973 Speaker 2: Cycle, it is. 277 00:14:28,293 --> 00:14:31,773 Speaker 3: And I think teams know that if you're playing the 278 00:14:31,813 --> 00:14:34,613 Speaker 3: All Blacks, you can probably bully or force them into 279 00:14:34,973 --> 00:14:37,853 Speaker 3: making some dummyras and numb mistakes, and that's a really 280 00:14:37,853 --> 00:14:41,573 Speaker 3: bad reputation for a team to be carrying in World rugby. 281 00:14:42,173 --> 00:14:46,253 Speaker 3: You know, they've become basically a team we can guarantee 282 00:14:46,253 --> 00:14:49,853 Speaker 3: that they won't play the full eighty minutes with fifteen players. 283 00:14:49,893 --> 00:14:53,333 Speaker 3: It seems like a fairly regular occurrence that a yellow 284 00:14:53,373 --> 00:14:57,933 Speaker 3: card will be shown, if not worse. And the worrying 285 00:14:58,013 --> 00:15:00,053 Speaker 3: thing for me is that there doesn't seem to be 286 00:15:00,133 --> 00:15:02,653 Speaker 3: any halting to it, that doesn't seem to be going cheap. 287 00:15:02,653 --> 00:15:05,693 Speaker 3: As we've conceded a whole bunch of yellow cards in 288 00:15:05,733 --> 00:15:08,213 Speaker 3: the last few tests. We better fix our discipline because 289 00:15:08,413 --> 00:15:12,933 Speaker 3: continually keeps happening, which to me speaks to a coaching issue, 290 00:15:12,933 --> 00:15:16,093 Speaker 3: but also a personnelity players on the field that these 291 00:15:16,173 --> 00:15:17,413 Speaker 3: lessons just aren't being learned. 292 00:15:18,813 --> 00:15:21,893 Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you this is it a leadership issue, 293 00:15:21,893 --> 00:15:24,093 Speaker 4: an on field leadership one as much as anything else, 294 00:15:24,173 --> 00:15:27,973 Speaker 4: because the messages not getting through. I think there was 295 00:15:28,013 --> 00:15:30,773 Speaker 4: a clear lack of composure. You think about All Blacks 296 00:15:30,773 --> 00:15:33,133 Speaker 4: teams of the past, and I know will rugby has 297 00:15:33,213 --> 00:15:35,613 Speaker 4: changed to a degree. The All Blacks aren't dominant force 298 00:15:35,653 --> 00:15:39,453 Speaker 4: they were, and test rugby is very tight among the 299 00:15:39,493 --> 00:15:43,693 Speaker 4: top six or eight teams. But we still have every 300 00:15:43,773 --> 00:15:46,413 Speaker 4: right to demand excellence from the all Blacks, and I 301 00:15:46,453 --> 00:15:48,933 Speaker 4: think all Blacks teams. 302 00:15:48,693 --> 00:15:50,613 Speaker 5: Are the past, you could count on them to come 303 00:15:50,653 --> 00:15:51,573 Speaker 5: back and come. 304 00:15:51,413 --> 00:15:53,653 Speaker 4: Over the top of teams that have that composure in 305 00:15:53,693 --> 00:15:57,493 Speaker 4: the last twenty minutes to pull off great comebacks, you know, 306 00:15:57,613 --> 00:16:02,653 Speaker 4: and when SUMMERSONI Takeyaho scored, I think there was about 307 00:16:02,693 --> 00:16:06,133 Speaker 4: ten twelve minutes to go. That should have been the 308 00:16:06,173 --> 00:16:09,853 Speaker 4: sign that the All Blacks were getting together. 309 00:16:09,813 --> 00:16:12,093 Speaker 5: That they'd regained some composure. 310 00:16:11,613 --> 00:16:16,013 Speaker 4: Momentum, and instead, what they did is they botched the finish. 311 00:16:16,133 --> 00:16:19,973 Speaker 4: There was a couple of one maybe two lineouts where 312 00:16:20,053 --> 00:16:22,533 Speaker 4: they got pinged for balking. It was an early jump. 313 00:16:22,813 --> 00:16:26,293 Speaker 4: Little mistakes like that I think speak to a lack 314 00:16:26,293 --> 00:16:28,853 Speaker 4: of composure, perhaps a lack of leadership, and I think 315 00:16:28,893 --> 00:16:32,493 Speaker 4: that also stems into the discipline issue because there's no 316 00:16:32,613 --> 00:16:35,933 Speaker 4: composure there and the All Blacks are being rattled. 317 00:16:37,053 --> 00:16:40,333 Speaker 3: They are being rattled and it doesn't seem like there's 318 00:16:40,453 --> 00:16:43,293 Speaker 3: leadership or a mentality out on the park at the moment. 319 00:16:43,973 --> 00:16:44,733 Speaker 2: Quite confusing. 320 00:16:44,733 --> 00:16:46,573 Speaker 3: In the closing stages you might have heard it at 321 00:16:46,613 --> 00:16:49,013 Speaker 3: the ground, but Artie sa Viller felt like he was 322 00:16:49,013 --> 00:16:51,693 Speaker 3: doing more talking to the referee than Scott Barrett was 323 00:16:51,773 --> 00:16:55,413 Speaker 3: in the closing stages of the game, despite Barrett still 324 00:16:55,413 --> 00:16:58,053 Speaker 3: being out on the park and being the All Blacks captain, 325 00:16:59,133 --> 00:17:01,253 Speaker 3: didn't seem like there was as you said once they 326 00:17:01,293 --> 00:17:04,213 Speaker 3: scored that try and got back to closing the gap 327 00:17:04,253 --> 00:17:07,253 Speaker 3: to within six points, that the All Blacks, you know, 328 00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:10,333 Speaker 3: could just PLoP their way on the field. And you know, 329 00:17:10,373 --> 00:17:12,733 Speaker 3: in some games it was a certain this is going 330 00:17:12,773 --> 00:17:15,613 Speaker 3: back a decade or thereabouts, but a certain inevitability that 331 00:17:15,613 --> 00:17:17,813 Speaker 3: the All Blacks were going to score and find their 332 00:17:17,853 --> 00:17:22,333 Speaker 3: way out of tough spots. That inevitability is completely gone 333 00:17:22,853 --> 00:17:25,493 Speaker 3: now from the All Blacks, that if they find themselves 334 00:17:25,533 --> 00:17:27,813 Speaker 3: in tough spots, they're more likely to lose the game 335 00:17:27,853 --> 00:17:31,933 Speaker 3: than they are to wriggle their way out of any trouble. 336 00:17:32,053 --> 00:17:33,133 Speaker 2: And it's funny. 337 00:17:33,253 --> 00:17:36,173 Speaker 3: I was watching the game twenty fifteen World Cup, the 338 00:17:36,173 --> 00:17:39,093 Speaker 3: All Blacks first game against funnily enough, Argentina. They played 339 00:17:39,133 --> 00:17:42,173 Speaker 3: at Wimbley on that occasion, and the All Blacks did 340 00:17:42,213 --> 00:17:44,973 Speaker 3: some dumb shit during that game as well. We saw 341 00:17:45,693 --> 00:17:50,253 Speaker 3: Richie mccaor yellow carded for a foot trip in that game, 342 00:17:50,293 --> 00:17:54,133 Speaker 3: which is a very rare moment for him. Conrad Smith 343 00:17:54,253 --> 00:17:55,973 Speaker 3: went off as well in the first wall this is 344 00:17:55,973 --> 00:17:58,173 Speaker 3: being replayed on Sky a couple of weeks ago, and 345 00:17:58,213 --> 00:18:01,693 Speaker 3: the Puma's lead, but they just settle things down after 346 00:18:01,773 --> 00:18:05,333 Speaker 3: halftime and the All Blacks found their way just you know, 347 00:18:05,573 --> 00:18:09,573 Speaker 3: methodically finding their way around the park, didn't put themselves 348 00:18:09,693 --> 00:18:12,373 Speaker 3: under any more pressure once they didn't have to, and 349 00:18:12,413 --> 00:18:16,453 Speaker 3: took their opportunities smartly once they got into the closing stages. 350 00:18:16,493 --> 00:18:18,413 Speaker 3: We just don't see that from the All Blacks team 351 00:18:18,453 --> 00:18:18,973 Speaker 3: at the moment. 352 00:18:20,533 --> 00:18:20,733 Speaker 5: Yeah. 353 00:18:20,773 --> 00:18:24,653 Speaker 4: And then it's that clinicalness, the ability to come over 354 00:18:24,733 --> 00:18:28,133 Speaker 4: top of teams and take your opportunities. How many times 355 00:18:28,173 --> 00:18:31,013 Speaker 4: have we heard Scott Robinson talk about a lack of 356 00:18:31,053 --> 00:18:34,493 Speaker 4: execution or not finishing chances. That's been a common theme 357 00:18:34,533 --> 00:18:38,653 Speaker 4: of his era that we haven't seen amended or come 358 00:18:38,693 --> 00:18:44,573 Speaker 4: to fruition. Boden Barretts missed three kicks which proved telling. 359 00:18:44,573 --> 00:18:48,013 Speaker 4: Two of them were from the sideline, but one penalty 360 00:18:48,053 --> 00:18:51,613 Speaker 4: that he would expect to throw over. He was replaced 361 00:18:51,653 --> 00:18:53,773 Speaker 4: of twenty five minutes remaining. I think it was Damien 362 00:18:53,813 --> 00:18:59,213 Speaker 4: McKenzie came on and slotted that sideline conversion up Takeyoho scored. 363 00:18:59,293 --> 00:19:02,813 Speaker 4: So a bit of a question mark around the goalkicking, 364 00:19:02,853 --> 00:19:07,933 Speaker 4: but that does stem into taking those chances, because if 365 00:19:08,413 --> 00:19:11,453 Speaker 4: kicks those goals, then maybe the All Blacks go on 366 00:19:11,453 --> 00:19:12,173 Speaker 4: and win that match. 367 00:19:12,373 --> 00:19:14,213 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the mental skills is an interesting 368 00:19:14,213 --> 00:19:15,813 Speaker 3: one as well. I know they've got Kerry Evans in 369 00:19:15,853 --> 00:19:19,493 Speaker 3: there at the moment, but Gilbert and Oke. Back when 370 00:19:19,533 --> 00:19:21,173 Speaker 3: he was in the team, it was talked about the 371 00:19:21,773 --> 00:19:24,613 Speaker 3: the redhead and the blue and if you're in the red, 372 00:19:24,773 --> 00:19:27,053 Speaker 3: not a good suppose to be and players would have 373 00:19:27,733 --> 00:19:30,173 Speaker 3: their different signals to basically get themselves out of that 374 00:19:30,293 --> 00:19:32,053 Speaker 3: move back into the blue. I think it was Kiaran 375 00:19:32,133 --> 00:19:34,213 Speaker 3: Reid looked at the furthest point of the stadium and 376 00:19:34,253 --> 00:19:38,213 Speaker 3: found where he could center himself and get back to 377 00:19:38,293 --> 00:19:41,293 Speaker 3: clear thinking. When other teams, you know, the Warriors and 378 00:19:41,333 --> 00:19:44,173 Speaker 3: other teams you know, do the whole breathing exercises, but 379 00:19:44,173 --> 00:19:48,013 Speaker 3: it seems like the All Blacks at this era live 380 00:19:48,053 --> 00:19:50,293 Speaker 3: in the reds more often than they do live in 381 00:19:50,333 --> 00:19:50,773 Speaker 3: the blue. 382 00:19:51,293 --> 00:19:52,453 Speaker 2: To use that analogy. 383 00:19:53,813 --> 00:19:55,013 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a fair point. 384 00:19:55,093 --> 00:19:58,213 Speaker 4: That speaks to the discipline, the inability to sort of 385 00:19:58,213 --> 00:19:59,893 Speaker 4: come back, I mean to be fair. 386 00:19:59,933 --> 00:20:01,853 Speaker 5: Look, they did pull themselves out of. 387 00:20:03,653 --> 00:20:07,053 Speaker 4: A hole the previous week in Caboda with two late 388 00:20:07,133 --> 00:20:08,013 Speaker 4: mal tries, but. 389 00:20:10,253 --> 00:20:11,693 Speaker 5: The second half fades. 390 00:20:11,973 --> 00:20:16,413 Speaker 4: The back end of matches were a major issue last 391 00:20:16,453 --> 00:20:21,133 Speaker 4: year and we're seeing common themes, common trends that the 392 00:20:21,173 --> 00:20:24,333 Speaker 4: All Blacks aren't able to fix week to week, So 393 00:20:25,653 --> 00:20:28,133 Speaker 4: they've got a lot to do in two weeks and 394 00:20:28,933 --> 00:20:32,133 Speaker 4: I think there'll be a lot of anxiousness, a lot 395 00:20:32,173 --> 00:20:35,773 Speaker 4: of nerves because we all know what's coming next. The 396 00:20:36,093 --> 00:20:38,973 Speaker 4: spring Boxs aren't at their best, but that Eden Park 397 00:20:40,133 --> 00:20:44,733 Speaker 4: record Scots will be desperate to preserve that because losing 398 00:20:44,733 --> 00:20:48,613 Speaker 4: to Argentina and Argentina been coaching the first All Black 399 00:20:48,653 --> 00:20:52,493 Speaker 4: team to do that, and for the players involved, that 400 00:20:52,613 --> 00:20:53,813 Speaker 4: will really cut them deep. 401 00:20:54,333 --> 00:20:56,173 Speaker 3: Well, we'll talk a bit about selections next week on 402 00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:58,013 Speaker 3: the podcast as we build into that game, but probably 403 00:20:58,013 --> 00:21:01,853 Speaker 3: a good opportunity to talk about bigger picture All Blacks 404 00:21:01,893 --> 00:21:06,093 Speaker 3: selections now. The team for Buenos AIDI is to me 405 00:21:06,173 --> 00:21:08,773 Speaker 3: felt very conservative. We touched on that a little bit 406 00:21:08,773 --> 00:21:10,573 Speaker 3: earlier on You touched on a little bit earlier in 407 00:21:10,653 --> 00:21:13,533 Speaker 3: terms of the personnel that he took abroad and then 408 00:21:13,573 --> 00:21:17,533 Speaker 3: decided not to play in Buenos Aires. Went with the 409 00:21:18,133 --> 00:21:21,093 Speaker 3: best team approach. The question I've got for you now, 410 00:21:21,213 --> 00:21:23,453 Speaker 3: Liam is that we perceived that as their best team, 411 00:21:23,453 --> 00:21:26,493 Speaker 3: but is it actually the All Blacks best team and 412 00:21:26,853 --> 00:21:33,493 Speaker 3: players basically they're tenured because there are reluctance to basically 413 00:21:33,693 --> 00:21:37,133 Speaker 3: change things up and move away from the conservative approach. 414 00:21:39,173 --> 00:21:41,373 Speaker 5: Well, I think there's big selection questions earlier. 415 00:21:41,413 --> 00:21:44,733 Speaker 4: I think we will see Wallace a tit and Tomighty 416 00:21:44,773 --> 00:21:47,493 Speaker 4: Williams go back into that starting team. Wallace made a 417 00:21:47,533 --> 00:21:51,933 Speaker 4: real impact off the bench. I wasn't overly impressed. I 418 00:21:51,933 --> 00:21:56,133 Speaker 4: think with Simon Parker on debut it's hard in a 419 00:21:56,293 --> 00:22:01,333 Speaker 4: team performance that was well below par where most people 420 00:22:02,253 --> 00:22:05,613 Speaker 4: in that team struggled. But there was a lot of 421 00:22:05,653 --> 00:22:09,853 Speaker 4: hype around Simon Parker wasn't there his size. Gil Blacks 422 00:22:09,853 --> 00:22:11,933 Speaker 4: had talked about him a lot. They wanted to get 423 00:22:11,973 --> 00:22:14,693 Speaker 4: him involved in July. I didn't think we saw a 424 00:22:14,773 --> 00:22:17,653 Speaker 4: huge impact from him, So I think Wallace goes back 425 00:22:17,693 --> 00:22:22,333 Speaker 4: into number eight. The Wings needs a serious look. You 426 00:22:22,373 --> 00:22:24,813 Speaker 4: mentioned Caleb Clark. I think the All Blacks need him back. 427 00:22:24,933 --> 00:22:27,893 Speaker 4: He's big, he's great in the air. I would like 428 00:22:27,933 --> 00:22:31,973 Speaker 4: to see Leary Carter get a crack Ammonia Narawa as well. 429 00:22:32,933 --> 00:22:35,573 Speaker 4: The balance of the midfield hasn't come to fruition. Billy 430 00:22:35,613 --> 00:22:40,173 Speaker 4: Proctor has struggled with a step up to Test rugby. 431 00:22:40,413 --> 00:22:43,013 Speaker 5: I'm a big advocate for him after what he did 432 00:22:43,053 --> 00:22:45,893 Speaker 5: in Super rugby, but hasn't quite stepped up yet. 433 00:22:46,813 --> 00:22:50,973 Speaker 4: And then half back is a major issue because Bill 434 00:22:51,013 --> 00:22:55,453 Speaker 4: Blacks are really missing Cam Rugard. Neat's compounded again without 435 00:22:55,533 --> 00:22:58,053 Speaker 4: Noah Hope from there, and then we don't know how 436 00:22:58,093 --> 00:23:01,453 Speaker 4: long Cortez Arsma is out for now, so we could 437 00:23:01,573 --> 00:23:05,453 Speaker 4: very well have a situation where Finlay Christi who a 438 00:23:05,493 --> 00:23:08,013 Speaker 4: big issue for me around his game is his box kicking. 439 00:23:08,093 --> 00:23:10,973 Speaker 5: It's quite inaccurate and it. 440 00:23:10,933 --> 00:23:13,733 Speaker 4: Could very well have a situation where he's starting yet 441 00:23:14,013 --> 00:23:15,333 Speaker 4: Eden Park against the Springboks. 442 00:23:15,933 --> 00:23:16,533 Speaker 2: Could well do. 443 00:23:17,333 --> 00:23:19,933 Speaker 3: Kyle Preston can kick off both feet, so I'll be 444 00:23:19,973 --> 00:23:24,413 Speaker 3: looking at him. This has been floating around a little 445 00:23:24,413 --> 00:23:26,733 Speaker 3: bit and I justin Marshall suggested it and it was 446 00:23:26,813 --> 00:23:29,373 Speaker 3: very much tongue in cheek. But with the three half 447 00:23:29,413 --> 00:23:32,293 Speaker 3: backs that were originally selected now injured, we don't have 448 00:23:32,413 --> 00:23:35,413 Speaker 3: long quarters right is out injured for Is this where 449 00:23:35,573 --> 00:23:38,293 Speaker 3: you can pull a trigger and go Aaron Smith playing 450 00:23:38,333 --> 00:23:42,173 Speaker 3: in Japan, call him in until the All Blacks top 451 00:23:42,293 --> 00:23:45,733 Speaker 3: three half backs are back to full fitness. Now I'm 452 00:23:45,773 --> 00:23:48,453 Speaker 3: throwing flying a kite essentially here, But is this where 453 00:23:48,813 --> 00:23:50,813 Speaker 3: maybe the rules need to be bent a little bit 454 00:23:50,933 --> 00:23:53,213 Speaker 3: and go We have got an injury crisis. We know 455 00:23:53,253 --> 00:23:55,413 Speaker 3: that someone's played one hundred plus tests for our country. 456 00:23:55,453 --> 00:23:57,333 Speaker 3: Here do we give him a call? He hasn't played 457 00:23:57,373 --> 00:23:59,173 Speaker 3: rugby in a few months. But is he the kind 458 00:23:59,173 --> 00:24:01,893 Speaker 3: of player that you bring into the setup. You know, 459 00:24:02,013 --> 00:24:05,773 Speaker 3: given the lack of top quality options that are there 460 00:24:05,813 --> 00:24:06,213 Speaker 3: for the All. 461 00:24:06,093 --> 00:24:10,693 Speaker 4: Blacks, I don't doubt that Aaron Smith would come in 462 00:24:10,933 --> 00:24:11,773 Speaker 4: and do a great job. 463 00:24:11,853 --> 00:24:15,253 Speaker 5: He's been there, he's done that. But personally I don't 464 00:24:15,333 --> 00:24:15,573 Speaker 5: like it. 465 00:24:15,613 --> 00:24:19,013 Speaker 4: I think you should work with what you have and 466 00:24:19,813 --> 00:24:24,133 Speaker 4: promote the next generation, expose them if it's a bit 467 00:24:24,173 --> 00:24:27,773 Speaker 4: of a sink or swim moment for some and you're 468 00:24:27,773 --> 00:24:30,693 Speaker 4: going to be getting those guys back. We don't know 469 00:24:30,733 --> 00:24:32,333 Speaker 4: whether camro Regard is going to be fit for the 470 00:24:32,373 --> 00:24:35,653 Speaker 4: spring box yet. No hope them is a bit longer term. 471 00:24:35,733 --> 00:24:38,053 Speaker 4: So look, there is depth at halfback. It's just as 472 00:24:38,093 --> 00:24:40,773 Speaker 4: you say, it's a bit of a crisis in one area. 473 00:24:41,173 --> 00:24:45,933 Speaker 4: But I don't think a stopgap measure is what the 474 00:24:45,933 --> 00:24:47,133 Speaker 4: All Blacks should be looking to do. 475 00:24:47,213 --> 00:24:49,613 Speaker 3: But I think stop gap is the same with Finlay Christie. 476 00:24:49,613 --> 00:24:51,613 Speaker 3: He's not the long term answer for the All Blacks either, 477 00:24:51,653 --> 00:24:53,533 Speaker 3: So shouldn't you go right? 478 00:24:53,573 --> 00:24:54,453 Speaker 2: We need to win these. 479 00:24:54,293 --> 00:24:56,693 Speaker 3: Two Test matches against South Africa. Who's the bloke that 480 00:24:57,013 --> 00:24:58,733 Speaker 3: has won the All Blacks a number of Test matches 481 00:24:58,733 --> 00:25:01,053 Speaker 3: through his career, Aaron Smith. I mean, I don't see 482 00:25:01,053 --> 00:25:02,853 Speaker 3: the issue with it. I don't think it sets It 483 00:25:02,973 --> 00:25:05,013 Speaker 3: sets a precedent in a little way, but I think 484 00:25:05,053 --> 00:25:07,933 Speaker 3: there's a needs must scenario here that going Aaron Smith, 485 00:25:07,933 --> 00:25:10,533 Speaker 3: Finlake Christy, who would you rather have in the mix? 486 00:25:13,453 --> 00:25:15,493 Speaker 4: It's a no brainer, isn't it? Your dave Aaron Smith? 487 00:25:15,533 --> 00:25:18,373 Speaker 4: Every day of the week. But it does seem like 488 00:25:18,453 --> 00:25:22,253 Speaker 4: you're pushing panic buttons a week but by you know 489 00:25:22,573 --> 00:25:26,693 Speaker 4: the rules and changing things up to just to try 490 00:25:26,733 --> 00:25:29,773 Speaker 4: and sort things for such. 491 00:25:29,613 --> 00:25:30,933 Speaker 5: A pace of time. 492 00:25:31,053 --> 00:25:34,573 Speaker 4: So my personal I think you should reward those who 493 00:25:34,573 --> 00:25:36,013 Speaker 4: are playing in New Zealand rugby. 494 00:25:36,293 --> 00:25:38,213 Speaker 5: But I totally see your points. 495 00:25:38,733 --> 00:25:42,053 Speaker 4: Look Aaron Smith, I think he would make a real 496 00:25:42,093 --> 00:25:43,813 Speaker 4: impact on this team, and if it was a choice 497 00:25:43,813 --> 00:25:46,173 Speaker 4: between him and Findlay Christie, I don't think you'd find 498 00:25:46,213 --> 00:25:48,973 Speaker 4: too many people that would pick Finly. 499 00:25:49,573 --> 00:25:50,173 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 500 00:25:50,253 --> 00:25:52,653 Speaker 3: Just finally, before we move on and touch on some 501 00:25:52,733 --> 00:25:56,893 Speaker 3: rugby the rugby topics, Liam Boden Barrett as he saw 502 00:25:56,933 --> 00:25:59,413 Speaker 3: the guy at ten for you for the All Blacks 503 00:25:59,413 --> 00:26:02,013 Speaker 3: to lead them into this the South African Games. 504 00:26:04,573 --> 00:26:08,853 Speaker 4: Well, it's an interesting question because I think Bowden has 505 00:26:08,893 --> 00:26:12,613 Speaker 4: performed well this year, but and he was good on defense, 506 00:26:12,693 --> 00:26:16,493 Speaker 4: but that wasn't his best performance, and he's got to 507 00:26:16,533 --> 00:26:22,773 Speaker 4: assume some responsibility for the struggles of their attack, not solely. 508 00:26:22,973 --> 00:26:26,173 Speaker 4: But look, I think if you asked Amen McKenzie, he'd 509 00:26:26,173 --> 00:26:29,013 Speaker 4: be pushing hard for a start. I can't see Scott 510 00:26:29,053 --> 00:26:31,773 Speaker 4: Robtson pulling that lever for the spring box. 511 00:26:31,853 --> 00:26:34,893 Speaker 2: What about you, Well, I think he's the guy by 512 00:26:35,013 --> 00:26:39,093 Speaker 2: default at the moment. Boden. I look kicking yesterday. I 513 00:26:39,133 --> 00:26:40,053 Speaker 2: don't know whether you had an injury. 514 00:26:40,093 --> 00:26:44,413 Speaker 3: It was heavily strapped around his knees, Whether he was 515 00:26:44,453 --> 00:26:46,293 Speaker 3: carrying an injury, and maybe that was the reason for 516 00:26:46,293 --> 00:26:47,053 Speaker 3: the goal kicking. 517 00:26:47,093 --> 00:26:47,853 Speaker 2: I don't think it was. 518 00:26:48,053 --> 00:26:51,253 Speaker 3: I mean, we're picking knits here because I don't think 519 00:26:51,253 --> 00:26:54,733 Speaker 3: the All Blacks anyone stood out really from that performance. 520 00:26:54,773 --> 00:26:57,573 Speaker 3: So immediately attention Zero's and on the ten and the 521 00:26:57,573 --> 00:26:59,213 Speaker 3: impact they had in the game, But they didn't get 522 00:26:59,213 --> 00:27:02,373 Speaker 3: the front football that they needed necessarily. But I just 523 00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:04,653 Speaker 3: think they've kind of restricted themselves a little bit by 524 00:27:04,693 --> 00:27:06,693 Speaker 3: the options they've got there. I don't think they're going 525 00:27:06,693 --> 00:27:08,933 Speaker 3: to put Reuben Love in at Tea in a test 526 00:27:08,933 --> 00:27:11,773 Speaker 3: match like that. They went to McKenzie last year and 527 00:27:11,893 --> 00:27:14,733 Speaker 3: have gone away from him again, so Boden Barrick kind 528 00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:16,973 Speaker 3: of has the jersey by default at the moment. I mean, 529 00:27:17,173 --> 00:27:20,533 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be against them re selecting the squad for 530 00:27:21,133 --> 00:27:23,533 Speaker 3: South Africa and making some tweaks and maybe looking at 531 00:27:23,573 --> 00:27:24,853 Speaker 3: a Josh Jacob potentially. 532 00:27:24,893 --> 00:27:24,973 Speaker 1: Now. 533 00:27:24,973 --> 00:27:26,693 Speaker 3: I don't think he's a finished product, but I think 534 00:27:27,093 --> 00:27:30,613 Speaker 3: someone like him coming in putting pressure on mckenzy and 535 00:27:30,613 --> 00:27:32,733 Speaker 3: Barrett can only be a good thing, and Love as 536 00:27:32,733 --> 00:27:35,133 Speaker 3: well can only be a good thing in the environment 537 00:27:35,213 --> 00:27:38,693 Speaker 3: at the moment, and putting some heat on the incumbents 538 00:27:38,733 --> 00:27:41,373 Speaker 3: because it doesn't feel like there's enough heat coming on 539 00:27:41,693 --> 00:27:44,693 Speaker 3: those players. I mean, the selections are consistent, which is 540 00:27:44,693 --> 00:27:47,693 Speaker 3: a worrying thing. And this story about whole team now 541 00:27:47,773 --> 00:27:50,293 Speaker 3: and you look at the All Blacks and they've become 542 00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:53,653 Speaker 3: almost like the Black Caps to an extent of some 543 00:27:53,773 --> 00:27:56,853 Speaker 3: areas gone by, where they're almost playing by default and 544 00:27:56,853 --> 00:27:59,293 Speaker 3: playing on reputation, and maybe they need to get away 545 00:27:59,333 --> 00:28:01,973 Speaker 3: from that a little bit and bringing some new faces 546 00:28:02,013 --> 00:28:03,893 Speaker 3: just to put a little bit of heat on those 547 00:28:03,893 --> 00:28:05,773 Speaker 3: players there as the incumbents. 548 00:28:07,653 --> 00:28:10,093 Speaker 4: Yeah, there will certainly be a bit of heat in 549 00:28:10,133 --> 00:28:13,253 Speaker 4: that environment over the next two weeks when I can 550 00:28:13,293 --> 00:28:17,453 Speaker 4: imagine Scott Robertson will be very edgy that that Eden 551 00:28:17,533 --> 00:28:22,053 Speaker 4: Park records is something that's treasured throughout New Zealand rugby. 552 00:28:22,373 --> 00:28:25,413 Speaker 4: And we saw it last year when after the All 553 00:28:25,413 --> 00:28:28,773 Speaker 4: Blacks lost to the Pumas and Wellington and the following 554 00:28:28,773 --> 00:28:31,213 Speaker 4: week they played the Pumas at Eden Park and he 555 00:28:31,253 --> 00:28:34,133 Speaker 4: had planned to give guys like Billy Procter and others 556 00:28:34,213 --> 00:28:38,573 Speaker 4: game time and didn't went away from that plan, went 557 00:28:38,973 --> 00:28:43,053 Speaker 4: back to experience to preserve that Eden Park record. So 558 00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:48,173 Speaker 4: they'll be acutely aware of the need to preserve that 559 00:28:48,613 --> 00:28:51,693 Speaker 4: and they'll be acutely aware that the Springboks have probably 560 00:28:51,733 --> 00:28:55,253 Speaker 4: circled that match on the rugby calendar a long way. 561 00:28:55,413 --> 00:28:57,733 Speaker 5: It will be their biggest match of the season two Well. 562 00:28:57,773 --> 00:29:00,373 Speaker 3: Indeed, we'll get into that more next week here on 563 00:29:00,573 --> 00:29:02,853 Speaker 3: Rugby Direct Quick Break. Come back with more here on 564 00:29:02,933 --> 00:29:05,493 Speaker 3: Rugby Director. Courtesy of our friends with Forkliff Solutions. 565 00:29:06,213 --> 00:29:13,173 Speaker 1: This is Rugby Direct cast for real rugby fans. 566 00:29:13,253 --> 00:29:16,493 Speaker 2: Every try, try and sixty sec every tackle to tack, 567 00:29:16,533 --> 00:29:24,093 Speaker 2: the tackles get up again before after it's rugby direct, ladies. 568 00:29:24,653 --> 00:29:26,933 Speaker 3: You're back with rugby to wrecked on how to get 569 00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:30,653 Speaker 3: into a few final four topic. Let's change direction and 570 00:29:31,173 --> 00:29:34,133 Speaker 3: the Black Ferns and Spain. The Black Fan's kicking off 571 00:29:34,373 --> 00:29:38,653 Speaker 3: the Women's Rugby World Cup with a comprehensive victory overnight, 572 00:29:38,693 --> 00:29:43,413 Speaker 3: getting the job done pretty comfortably against Spain. I think 573 00:29:43,413 --> 00:29:46,853 Speaker 3: from a Black fan's perspective, Liam they racked up fifty 574 00:29:46,853 --> 00:29:49,453 Speaker 3: four points. They can see that just the try at 575 00:29:49,453 --> 00:29:51,093 Speaker 3: the very very end of the game when they were 576 00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:54,253 Speaker 3: reduced to thirteen with a couple of injured players. So 577 00:29:54,453 --> 00:29:56,613 Speaker 3: I'm pretty content to say job done from the Black 578 00:29:56,613 --> 00:29:59,533 Speaker 3: Ferns in the opening game. Those injuries are worrying though, 579 00:29:59,613 --> 00:30:03,253 Speaker 3: Copo Olsen Baker looks to be the most concerning. You'd 580 00:30:03,253 --> 00:30:05,933 Speaker 3: expect probably her to play some of the Burger games 581 00:30:05,973 --> 00:30:07,973 Speaker 3: and start those bigger games can with a bench and 582 00:30:08,053 --> 00:30:11,453 Speaker 3: was in so I'd be worried about that. So other 583 00:30:11,493 --> 00:30:13,493 Speaker 3: than that though, good start from the Black Fans too. 584 00:30:13,813 --> 00:30:14,973 Speaker 3: Are the World Cup campaign? 585 00:30:16,333 --> 00:30:18,813 Speaker 4: Yeah, nice to tick that box and I guess shake 586 00:30:18,813 --> 00:30:20,893 Speaker 4: off a few nerves and run up a bit of 587 00:30:20,933 --> 00:30:24,053 Speaker 4: a score. Yeah, a couple of injury setbacks there, and 588 00:30:24,493 --> 00:30:28,493 Speaker 4: I saw a few tweets around Georgia Miller certainly announcing 589 00:30:28,533 --> 00:30:30,613 Speaker 4: herself to the global stage. 590 00:30:31,213 --> 00:30:33,413 Speaker 5: You know, we've known what an athlete. 591 00:30:33,053 --> 00:30:35,613 Speaker 4: She is on the seventh circuit and now coming into 592 00:30:35,693 --> 00:30:38,133 Speaker 4: the fifteens game. I think she only played forty minutes 593 00:30:38,173 --> 00:30:41,413 Speaker 4: and really lit up that match, So what a talent 594 00:30:41,453 --> 00:30:41,813 Speaker 4: she is. 595 00:30:42,053 --> 00:30:44,733 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and they've got Japan coming up next week. The 596 00:30:44,733 --> 00:30:46,973 Speaker 3: concern I'd have around this Woman's World Cup is a 597 00:30:46,973 --> 00:30:49,253 Speaker 3: lot of blowouts in the opening round and it feels 598 00:30:49,293 --> 00:30:53,413 Speaker 3: like World Rugby have jumped the gun and expanded this 599 00:30:53,533 --> 00:30:57,413 Speaker 3: far too quickly, from twelve teams to sixteen. Closest game 600 00:30:57,453 --> 00:31:00,973 Speaker 3: on the opening weekend was twenty four points. Now, I 601 00:31:01,013 --> 00:31:03,093 Speaker 3: know the men's World Cups had a few blowouts through 602 00:31:03,093 --> 00:31:05,613 Speaker 3: the years as well, but I didn't think it was 603 00:31:05,653 --> 00:31:09,373 Speaker 3: a great advertisement for the women game to have so 604 00:31:09,493 --> 00:31:12,173 Speaker 3: many blowouts on the opening weekend. As I said, closest 605 00:31:12,213 --> 00:31:14,653 Speaker 3: game twenty four points, which was France beating Italy. 606 00:31:16,893 --> 00:31:20,093 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess you have blowouts in the men's game 607 00:31:20,133 --> 00:31:22,893 Speaker 4: as well, But yeah, I think you're probably right that 608 00:31:23,333 --> 00:31:26,773 Speaker 4: will rugby has gone too early the women's game doesn't 609 00:31:26,853 --> 00:31:31,733 Speaker 4: have the same depth in terms of you know, strong 610 00:31:32,053 --> 00:31:37,013 Speaker 4: competing nations. Even the Wallaroos, you know, put it ran 611 00:31:37,093 --> 00:31:41,413 Speaker 4: up a score on Samoa. So this tournament's always going 612 00:31:41,413 --> 00:31:44,493 Speaker 4: to build, isn't it as you get to the knockout rounds? 613 00:31:44,533 --> 00:31:49,253 Speaker 4: But I can understand the willingness to try and grow 614 00:31:49,293 --> 00:31:54,213 Speaker 4: the game. But blowouts doesn't necessarily draw and people, does it? 615 00:31:54,653 --> 00:31:55,253 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. 616 00:31:55,453 --> 00:31:58,533 Speaker 3: Topic number two Wallabies and the spring Box. We talked 617 00:31:58,573 --> 00:32:01,573 Speaker 3: a lot about, obviously the All Blacks in Argentina in 618 00:32:01,613 --> 00:32:04,413 Speaker 3: the first half of the podcast, but some context around 619 00:32:04,413 --> 00:32:06,693 Speaker 3: the spring Box and the Wallabies. 620 00:32:06,773 --> 00:32:07,613 Speaker 2: Good bounce back. 621 00:32:07,653 --> 00:32:10,213 Speaker 3: We're not great probably from the spring box, but they 622 00:32:10,293 --> 00:32:14,093 Speaker 3: dead enough in muddy conditions in Cape Town to take 623 00:32:14,133 --> 00:32:16,813 Speaker 3: that box and get back to one win, one loss 624 00:32:16,813 --> 00:32:17,613 Speaker 3: in the championship. 625 00:32:19,173 --> 00:32:21,733 Speaker 4: Well, the Rugby Championships wide open, isn't it, Elliott? For 626 00:32:21,813 --> 00:32:25,013 Speaker 4: all four teams with one win? So it's gonna be 627 00:32:25,053 --> 00:32:26,813 Speaker 4: a fascinating tournaments. 628 00:32:27,133 --> 00:32:29,653 Speaker 5: I agree. I wasn't impressed by the spring Box at all. 629 00:32:29,973 --> 00:32:35,133 Speaker 4: They went back to type, recalling Andre Pollard, Damien Delende 630 00:32:35,173 --> 00:32:38,853 Speaker 4: and a couple of others as well. Cheers on Colby 631 00:32:39,133 --> 00:32:43,213 Speaker 4: and it very much was type a spring box. They 632 00:32:43,293 --> 00:32:47,573 Speaker 4: kicked a lot, they dominated the aerial battle Ebanez that 633 00:32:47,813 --> 00:32:49,573 Speaker 4: scored a late try. 634 00:32:49,933 --> 00:32:52,293 Speaker 5: But I was very impressed by the Wallabies. 635 00:32:52,333 --> 00:32:56,253 Speaker 4: I thought, you know, they're down on troops and a 636 00:32:56,293 --> 00:32:59,213 Speaker 4: few more injuries there. They lost their captain Harry Wilson 637 00:32:59,253 --> 00:33:01,613 Speaker 4: the previous week, but they were unlucky not to win 638 00:33:01,653 --> 00:33:05,613 Speaker 4: that game. James o'connomiss a couple of kicks. They had 639 00:33:06,013 --> 00:33:08,213 Speaker 4: one try ruled out in the first half. I think 640 00:33:08,173 --> 00:33:10,493 Speaker 4: it was Andrew Callaway made a tackle on a Pollard 641 00:33:10,533 --> 00:33:14,093 Speaker 4: and was ruled to have knocked the ball on and 642 00:33:14,413 --> 00:33:17,453 Speaker 4: late in the match I thought they should have been 643 00:33:17,453 --> 00:33:18,973 Speaker 4: given a yellow card. I think it was the spring 644 00:33:19,053 --> 00:33:24,653 Speaker 4: box fullback was holding on, clearly fussy, clearly holding on 645 00:33:25,453 --> 00:33:28,813 Speaker 4: and that was a blatant cynical yellow cards and that 646 00:33:28,933 --> 00:33:31,333 Speaker 4: was missed. So I thought they were really hard done 647 00:33:31,373 --> 00:33:34,653 Speaker 4: by on that occasion. So a really gutsy performance. You know, 648 00:33:34,733 --> 00:33:38,333 Speaker 4: the Wallaby's lost a lot of backs in that match, 649 00:33:38,493 --> 00:33:42,733 Speaker 4: Sue Lee among the others, so they were really stretched, 650 00:33:42,853 --> 00:33:46,933 Speaker 4: their depth tested and just it's. 651 00:33:46,773 --> 00:33:48,733 Speaker 5: Been a great tour for them and I think coming 652 00:33:48,773 --> 00:33:49,093 Speaker 5: out of. 653 00:33:49,013 --> 00:33:52,253 Speaker 4: The British and Irish Lions series has really helped them 654 00:33:53,093 --> 00:33:55,253 Speaker 4: and that they could have easily won that match. 655 00:33:55,533 --> 00:33:56,013 Speaker 2: They could have. 656 00:33:56,053 --> 00:33:59,213 Speaker 3: Would you expect Pollard to start at ten at eden 657 00:33:59,253 --> 00:34:00,693 Speaker 3: Park next Saturday. 658 00:34:00,413 --> 00:34:06,733 Speaker 4: Night, Yes, yes I would. I think he's their guy. Well, 659 00:34:06,813 --> 00:34:10,373 Speaker 4: for me, he's a sure. He's not the Pollards of 660 00:34:10,613 --> 00:34:13,373 Speaker 4: yester year, the guy that used to challenge the line 661 00:34:13,613 --> 00:34:14,533 Speaker 4: and break the line. 662 00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:17,613 Speaker 5: He was a brilliant, strong running ten. 663 00:34:18,013 --> 00:34:20,813 Speaker 4: But he's still the guy that will kick all your 664 00:34:20,893 --> 00:34:24,493 Speaker 4: kicks and he had one crossfield kick to set up 665 00:34:24,493 --> 00:34:28,413 Speaker 4: a try as well, so he's very reliable. He's experienced 666 00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:31,653 Speaker 4: and I think everyone will expect that Eden Park tests 667 00:34:31,693 --> 00:34:35,093 Speaker 4: to be tight and goalkicking could be massive and I 668 00:34:35,133 --> 00:34:38,453 Speaker 4: think the spring Ups will stick with Pollard for that match. 669 00:34:38,733 --> 00:34:41,653 Speaker 3: Topic number three in the Final four the New Zealand 670 00:34:41,693 --> 00:34:44,733 Speaker 3: Rugby Union that's about twenty years old. In New Zealand 671 00:34:44,773 --> 00:34:48,133 Speaker 3: Rugby and sky TV, I don't even called the sky 672 00:34:48,213 --> 00:34:50,453 Speaker 3: TV anymore. They're probably called sky in New Zealand, in 673 00:34:50,573 --> 00:34:53,773 Speaker 3: Zidar and sky Let's three phrase that have signed off 674 00:34:53,813 --> 00:34:56,373 Speaker 3: their five year broadcast. Steel as we know, pumps a 675 00:34:56,373 --> 00:34:59,453 Speaker 3: lot of money into the sport. Not a surprise that 676 00:34:59,733 --> 00:35:00,533 Speaker 3: they've linked up again. 677 00:35:00,573 --> 00:35:01,013 Speaker 2: With Sky. 678 00:35:01,413 --> 00:35:03,573 Speaker 3: There was a wee bit of chat around design potentially 679 00:35:03,613 --> 00:35:08,093 Speaker 3: coming in maybe some overseas players Amazon Prime you know, 680 00:35:08,493 --> 00:35:10,973 Speaker 3: were mentioned in dispatches very early on in the process. 681 00:35:10,973 --> 00:35:14,613 Speaker 3: But not a huge surprise that this deal has been resigned. 682 00:35:14,653 --> 00:35:16,373 Speaker 3: But there are a couple of things there. The TV 683 00:35:16,453 --> 00:35:19,413 Speaker 3: and Z part, with the all of the NPC being 684 00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:22,013 Speaker 3: broadcast on TVNZ plus some on TV and Z one 685 00:35:23,013 --> 00:35:25,973 Speaker 3: is more than maybe people expected. And they've also ring 686 00:35:26,053 --> 00:35:28,773 Speaker 3: finced five games as well that can be played outside 687 00:35:28,853 --> 00:35:31,093 Speaker 3: the Sky deal for the All Blacks for the Black 688 00:35:31,133 --> 00:35:34,093 Speaker 3: Ferns over the next few years. So leam, what's your 689 00:35:34,133 --> 00:35:36,493 Speaker 3: take on this contract being finally signed off. 690 00:35:37,973 --> 00:35:42,533 Speaker 4: I think first and foremost is the money. It's quite 691 00:35:42,573 --> 00:35:46,773 Speaker 4: a significant reduction. It's about seventy five to eighty million, 692 00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:50,373 Speaker 4: down from about one hundred million, so you know, less 693 00:35:50,533 --> 00:35:53,853 Speaker 4: money in the koffers, but that is expected to be 694 00:35:54,413 --> 00:35:59,613 Speaker 4: made up by the revenue sharing arrangement from the Nation's Championship, 695 00:36:00,013 --> 00:36:02,493 Speaker 4: or at least partly made up, so it shouldn't be 696 00:36:03,213 --> 00:36:05,933 Speaker 4: too much of a shortfall there. I was surprised with 697 00:36:06,053 --> 00:36:11,533 Speaker 4: the TVNZ element, just given Sky's recent acquisition of three 698 00:36:11,773 --> 00:36:13,773 Speaker 4: I thought if there was going to be a freeware 699 00:36:13,813 --> 00:36:18,853 Speaker 4: component that it might come via that avenue. 700 00:36:19,013 --> 00:36:21,053 Speaker 5: But look, I think it's a win win. 701 00:36:21,133 --> 00:36:24,493 Speaker 4: I think it's a great result for the NPC to 702 00:36:25,373 --> 00:36:27,653 Speaker 4: reach more viewers and it's a great result for rugby 703 00:36:27,733 --> 00:36:31,653 Speaker 4: to be you know, not behind, not totally behind the paywall. 704 00:36:31,693 --> 00:36:35,493 Speaker 4: I think more exposure the better, and I think the 705 00:36:35,613 --> 00:36:38,053 Speaker 4: NPC is the right level of the game for that. 706 00:36:38,933 --> 00:36:41,413 Speaker 5: What's your big takeaways? What about the the. 707 00:36:41,613 --> 00:36:45,093 Speaker 4: Up to five All Black tests that punters may have 708 00:36:45,173 --> 00:36:48,693 Speaker 4: to pay for outside of the Sky subscription. 709 00:36:48,893 --> 00:36:51,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting to me and I wonder. I mean 710 00:36:51,413 --> 00:36:53,493 Speaker 3: this is these are the you know, the cut aways 711 00:36:53,533 --> 00:36:55,973 Speaker 3: Cup tests of twenty three before the World Cup between 712 00:36:55,973 --> 00:36:58,373 Speaker 3: the All Blacks and South Africa at Twickenham, it's the 713 00:36:58,453 --> 00:37:01,853 Speaker 3: Chicago Test presumably later in the year. It's other ones 714 00:37:01,893 --> 00:37:05,773 Speaker 3: that fall outside that nation's Cup framework, the Sansar framework 715 00:37:06,253 --> 00:37:10,453 Speaker 3: that basically party come to Indida and we will have 716 00:37:11,093 --> 00:37:14,573 Speaker 3: something there. So in theory you could have you know, 717 00:37:14,653 --> 00:37:17,573 Speaker 3: Crown Prince Muhammad bin Saman from Sadi Arabia going we 718 00:37:17,613 --> 00:37:20,253 Speaker 3: want the All Blacks and the spring Box to play 719 00:37:20,653 --> 00:37:24,213 Speaker 3: a test and read and it's going to be on 720 00:37:24,253 --> 00:37:27,413 Speaker 3: Netflix worldwide and here's the feet that would allow New 721 00:37:27,493 --> 00:37:30,413 Speaker 3: Zealand Rugby to sign up for that without worrying about 722 00:37:30,453 --> 00:37:32,453 Speaker 3: the Sky deal that they have in the back seat. 723 00:37:32,573 --> 00:37:36,413 Speaker 3: So for me, it's probably the way that world Sport's 724 00:37:36,493 --> 00:37:40,293 Speaker 3: going and getting some of these exclusive deals on platforms, etc. 725 00:37:40,973 --> 00:37:43,173 Speaker 3: I don't think it'll sit too well with the casual 726 00:37:43,213 --> 00:37:46,013 Speaker 3: fan that maybe has to shell out for an extra 727 00:37:46,053 --> 00:37:49,253 Speaker 3: subscription or an extra servers just so they can watch 728 00:37:49,413 --> 00:37:50,933 Speaker 3: the All Blacks. 729 00:37:51,893 --> 00:37:55,613 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you might find that viewership is down 730 00:37:55,653 --> 00:37:58,693 Speaker 4: for those matches because some people won't pay. You'll have 731 00:37:58,733 --> 00:38:03,373 Speaker 4: a generation of people that aren't as technology savvy who 732 00:38:04,053 --> 00:38:09,013 Speaker 4: maybe don't have Amazon Prime or The Zone or or 733 00:38:09,653 --> 00:38:12,373 Speaker 4: whatever avenue that does come on. So it will be 734 00:38:12,413 --> 00:38:14,933 Speaker 4: interesting to see how that works. But from New Zealand 735 00:38:15,013 --> 00:38:19,333 Speaker 4: Rugby's perspective, you can understand them wanting some flexibility, wanting 736 00:38:19,773 --> 00:38:24,333 Speaker 4: an avenue to rake in some extra cash, and look, 737 00:38:24,413 --> 00:38:30,293 Speaker 4: I think on the whole it's a good arrangement. Sky 738 00:38:30,373 --> 00:38:34,053 Speaker 4: does a good job broadcasting and most New Zealanders who 739 00:38:34,093 --> 00:38:37,853 Speaker 4: watch Rugby have Sky and then you can watch provincial 740 00:38:37,893 --> 00:38:41,173 Speaker 4: rugby on TVNZ, so it's only a couple of games 741 00:38:41,173 --> 00:38:43,693 Speaker 4: that you might have to pay for over the course 742 00:38:43,733 --> 00:38:44,493 Speaker 4: of that deal. 743 00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:46,693 Speaker 3: And final topic in the final four. Didn't flag this 744 00:38:46,733 --> 00:38:50,053 Speaker 3: one with you, Liam, But the NPC, what on earth 745 00:38:50,133 --> 00:38:54,933 Speaker 3: is going on with Wellington? Belted by munterwork two thirty 746 00:38:54,933 --> 00:38:56,933 Speaker 3: eight twenty eight At one point it was thirty eight 747 00:38:57,413 --> 00:39:01,413 Speaker 3: fourteen from memory in that game or thirty eight, Yes, 748 00:39:01,453 --> 00:39:04,333 Speaker 3: it was thirty eight fourteen, one win from four games. 749 00:39:04,333 --> 00:39:08,053 Speaker 3: They've got Auckland this week, who pretty hapless themselves. 750 00:39:08,493 --> 00:39:10,173 Speaker 2: What's going on to you? What's happening to your lines? 751 00:39:12,053 --> 00:39:14,213 Speaker 5: He didn't. It's nicely not to flag that one with me. 752 00:39:15,293 --> 00:39:17,933 Speaker 4: Look, it's great that we put that the Jersey on 753 00:39:17,973 --> 00:39:19,813 Speaker 4: the line last year and not this year. 754 00:39:19,933 --> 00:39:22,973 Speaker 5: So yes, not too sure what's what's. 755 00:39:22,813 --> 00:39:25,853 Speaker 4: Going on in the capital there, but yeah, some of 756 00:39:25,853 --> 00:39:27,893 Speaker 4: the bigger unions really strogging out there. I think that 757 00:39:28,093 --> 00:39:32,373 Speaker 4: Northland tipped up Auckland and the battle of the actual 758 00:39:32,493 --> 00:39:35,493 Speaker 4: the top of the North Island in general is not 759 00:39:35,573 --> 00:39:39,493 Speaker 4: going very well in the NPC, so I'm pretty happy 760 00:39:39,493 --> 00:39:41,253 Speaker 4: for man Or two. It's nice to see some of 761 00:39:41,493 --> 00:39:43,653 Speaker 4: the smaller unions they have their time in the sun. 762 00:39:43,853 --> 00:39:47,613 Speaker 4: I'm sure they really enjoyed getting one up on big brother. 763 00:39:47,893 --> 00:39:50,773 Speaker 3: Yeah, why Kattow taking the Ranfilly Shield as well and 764 00:39:51,373 --> 00:39:55,093 Speaker 3: really looking forward to wayto losing to Southland this weekend, 765 00:39:55,213 --> 00:39:58,533 Speaker 3: so unbeaten Canterbury can get a shield challenge against the 766 00:39:58,533 --> 00:40:00,813 Speaker 3: Stags the following weekend in Viicago. 767 00:40:00,853 --> 00:40:02,093 Speaker 2: That would work out quite nice. 768 00:40:01,973 --> 00:40:03,733 Speaker 3: And it got quite well before the All Black scaming 769 00:40:03,813 --> 00:40:07,133 Speaker 3: Eden Park South and Canterbury four h five. Canterbury take 770 00:40:07,173 --> 00:40:13,613 Speaker 3: the shield, then the game at eden Park. Who says no, well. 771 00:40:13,813 --> 00:40:16,533 Speaker 4: We'll Saine Harvey, good Fox and boy playing for the 772 00:40:16,573 --> 00:40:18,013 Speaker 4: Southland Stags making. 773 00:40:17,773 --> 00:40:19,333 Speaker 5: His debut a couple of weeks ago. 774 00:40:20,653 --> 00:40:22,813 Speaker 4: My second or third favorite team, mishear Elliott, so I'd 775 00:40:22,853 --> 00:40:24,493 Speaker 4: be happy for them to take the shield and then 776 00:40:24,733 --> 00:40:25,893 Speaker 4: retain it against Canterbury. 777 00:40:25,893 --> 00:40:26,853 Speaker 5: That'll go quite nicely. 778 00:40:27,013 --> 00:40:30,613 Speaker 3: Right enough for that, Thank you very much, Liam. We 779 00:40:30,693 --> 00:40:33,533 Speaker 3: appreciate your time as always, safe travels back home. Look 780 00:40:33,533 --> 00:40:35,813 Speaker 3: forward to seeing you next week as we build into 781 00:40:36,533 --> 00:40:39,013 Speaker 3: what is a big test and probably is only just 782 00:40:39,053 --> 00:40:41,293 Speaker 3: got bigger given the context of the last fortnight for 783 00:40:41,533 --> 00:40:43,133 Speaker 3: the All Blacks in South Africa. 784 00:40:44,493 --> 00:40:45,573 Speaker 5: As indeed, can't wait. 785 00:40:46,573 --> 00:40:48,773 Speaker 2: Vamos We will see you next week. 786 00:40:49,013 --> 00:40:51,813 Speaker 3: Thanks to Last and Bars English for producing and thanks 787 00:40:51,813 --> 00:40:54,653 Speaker 3: to Forklift Solutions lifting you and your business to a 788 00:40:54,853 --> 00:40:55,493 Speaker 3: higher level. 789 00:40:59,493 --> 00:41:02,413 Speaker 1: For more from news Talks B listen live on air 790 00:41:02,653 --> 00:41:05,333 Speaker 1: or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you 791 00:41:05,413 --> 00:41:07,813 Speaker 1: go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.