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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show, Podcast number two seven eight for the

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Speaker 2: thirtieth of January twenty twenty six. It's a solo show

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Speaker 2: by me today Tyler's away. So I got there, I

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Speaker 2: Steven Pinker, a really really good chat with that man.

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Speaker 2: Said bee, Hello everyone, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 2: us this afternoon. Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, really

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Speaker 2: appreciate you joining me this Friday afternoon. We are here

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Speaker 2: Tyler Adams. It is the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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Speaker 2: we're joined by Stephen Pinker live from Boston. He is

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Speaker 2: one of the world's most influential public intellectuals, a cognitive psychologist, linguist,

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Speaker 2: various other political instances. Always seems to be embroiled in

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Speaker 2: the free speech row. But yeah, he's enjoining me on

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Speaker 2: the show ahead of his appearance at the Bruce Mason

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Speaker 2: walking through a building development, a new housing development. There's

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Speaker 2: on our eight hundred Hadaki is it's basically, are those

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Speaker 3: Just horrible, disgusting, greedy, thoughtless muppets who only care about

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Speaker 2: What do you think eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine

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Speaker 2: wrong with making money? Build something good? People want it,

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Speaker 2: this people? You ice loving loser? Well that's a person

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Speaker 2: that's drifting their thoughts back to yesterday's chat, which wasn't

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Speaker 2: about ice. So this person that's texted in here was

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Speaker 2: wave and saloo to the lovely families that are growing

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Speaker 2: Tyler's job is to say the number, not mine. So

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Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. All right?

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Speaker 2: You're listening to News Dog Z'B. It is twelve past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon. It is a quarter past one. Our weight

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. You're listening to news

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Speaker 2: talk z B. I've been pumping up the tires of large,

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Speaker 2: the big, big, big housing developments. I've said that they

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Speaker 2: that dream big, design big, and construct these major developments

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Speaker 2: would say, Oh way, one hundred eighty ten eighty, welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show, James.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Matte, Yeah, you got me on the wrong for

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Speaker 4: the first staty. You said they're going to be playing

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Speaker 5: Awful.

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Speaker 4: And at the moment there's six thousand and two hundred

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Speaker 2: I know that, in fact, I think all of them

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Speaker 4: Cost of building is just so extremes is that they've

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Speaker 4: getting very hard for them. But you know, the council

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Speaker 4: You've got a terrible record around the world.

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Speaker 2: So I just pushed back on this particular development. And

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Speaker 2: of course this development I'm talking about, they started assembling

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Speaker 7: Was ringing up to talk about the developers, and I mean,

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Speaker 7: where would we be without them? They take all the risks,

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Speaker 7: they have to finance those developments, sometimes for a long time.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I can't actually understand why people so negative

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Speaker 7: to there are builders as well. The developers are selling

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Speaker 7: a lot of their subdivisions to builders. The developers don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as you say, like, it's a huge

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Speaker 2: leap of faith, isn't it. So that the one I'm

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Speaker 2: particularly talking about in Three Kings, the planning started in

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Speaker 2: And in this case, they had to fill in a hole,

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Speaker 7: So they would have paid Yep, they would have paid

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Speaker 7: reserved contributions. They would have had to plant so many

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Speaker 7: You go, sorry, lack and they've got to deal with

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Speaker 10: So where does this in the FTA going out? The

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Speaker 11: Morning trade deals are complicated. What's important is the detail.

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Speaker 11: There are no rights for migration in this no rights

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Speaker 11: at all. It's merely one thy six hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: This is very, very straightforward.

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Speaker 11: Where five million people they are one point four billion people.

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Speaker 1: We do very well out of this deal.

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Speaker 10: One hundred sent I don't think anyone's against the trade.

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Speaker 2: To Matt and Tyler. Afternoons with Just Matt because Tyler,

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Speaker 2: as I'm seeing a wedding, it is twenty seven minutes

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Speaker 2: You are toxically positive. Don't worry about ice. You say

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Speaker 2: You live in a dream world. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your text. This textasys Stonefield was a great development, Matt.

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Speaker 2: to see New Zealand thriving. Hayden, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this topic.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, hey, Matt, how are you going all right?

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Speaker 2: Pretty good? Pretty toxically positive today actually, Hayden, although I

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Speaker 5: I think it's good for.

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Speaker 12: People getting work like trade's and that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and do you work in the trades.

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Speaker 11: Now?

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Speaker 12: But there's a lot good. I live in glenn and

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Speaker 12: But I actually saw a trady get attacked by a

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Speaker 2: I think this is this is something to think about.

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Speaker 2: And I've seen that documentary by who was it, It's

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Speaker 2: This tick says, I live not far from that said

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Speaker 2: We're talking about major property developers. Are these the people

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Speaker 2: Are they the people that actually making a real difference

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Speaker 2: Are they the real creatives, the risk takers that make

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Speaker 2: to Sam. You work for a massive property developer, I understand.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I met how you going?

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Speaker 14: And I mean the one I work for, he seems

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Speaker 14: pretty big subdivisions, pretty big sections. You know, it's not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got a lot of that down down your way,

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and I think that's what a lot of people

432
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Speaker 14: want down here, I suppose. I mean I moved from

433
00:23:48,653 --> 00:23:50,893
Speaker 14: the North Island down to the South Island just for

434
00:23:50,973 --> 00:23:55,373
Speaker 14: that that little, less denser lifestyle. You know, it's a

435
00:23:55,733 --> 00:23:58,813
Speaker 14: bit a bit more freedom down here, and you've got

436
00:23:58,853 --> 00:24:01,493
Speaker 14: the space to move. And I mean the guy I

437
00:24:01,573 --> 00:24:04,773
Speaker 14: worked for, he's pretty heavily involved with the community as

438
00:24:04,813 --> 00:24:08,533
Speaker 14: well as far as doing you know, special shows and

439
00:24:08,573 --> 00:24:10,733
Speaker 14: not for the community. I mean, we do a few

440
00:24:10,813 --> 00:24:14,613
Speaker 14: pretty big ones down here for everyone, and I think

441
00:24:14,653 --> 00:24:16,093
Speaker 14: that's a pretty important part of it.

442
00:24:16,173 --> 00:24:20,493
Speaker 2: Well you know what kind of shows, Sam, Well, one

443
00:24:20,493 --> 00:24:22,853
Speaker 2: of them is well was a Wonka which was We're

444
00:24:22,933 --> 00:24:24,693
Speaker 2: the last last one last year. Are good?

445
00:24:26,333 --> 00:24:29,093
Speaker 14: So I think you know, people like that who you know,

446
00:24:29,173 --> 00:24:31,253
Speaker 14: they do put their neck out and spend a lot

447
00:24:31,293 --> 00:24:35,213
Speaker 14: of money and research and development and obviously the earthworks.

448
00:24:35,293 --> 00:24:37,333
Speaker 14: I do a lot of the earthworks in the civil

449
00:24:37,373 --> 00:24:40,893
Speaker 14: infrastructure part of it. But then giving back to the

450
00:24:40,933 --> 00:24:42,493
Speaker 14: community as well, you know, in the.

451
00:24:42,493 --> 00:24:43,053
Speaker 5: Intense of.

452
00:24:44,693 --> 00:24:45,013
Speaker 6: Events.

453
00:24:45,173 --> 00:24:48,173
Speaker 2: This is sort of this monopoly board view of property developers,

454
00:24:48,213 --> 00:24:51,893
Speaker 2: you know, with the monocle and the mustache. Absolutely that

455
00:24:51,933 --> 00:24:55,293
Speaker 2: people have. But I think, and you're so right, and

456
00:24:55,333 --> 00:24:57,453
Speaker 2: the best connect there is, of course, terrible ones that

457
00:24:57,453 --> 00:25:01,053
Speaker 2: are building horrible slums, you know, along railway tracks and such,

458
00:25:01,053 --> 00:25:02,933
Speaker 2: and just trying to ram as many people in. So

459
00:25:02,973 --> 00:25:04,733
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm really talking about. The people that

460
00:25:04,813 --> 00:25:07,013
Speaker 2: have a big that they see an area and they

461
00:25:07,013 --> 00:25:09,293
Speaker 2: have a big vision for it. They imagine how it

462
00:25:09,373 --> 00:25:12,413
Speaker 2: will be for the people that live in that area,

463
00:25:12,533 --> 00:25:15,813
Speaker 2: going you know, across generations. And of course they're doing

464
00:25:15,893 --> 00:25:18,213
Speaker 2: it to make money, but they're also hiring people such

465
00:25:18,213 --> 00:25:21,413
Speaker 2: as yourself, who wouldn't have this work if someone hadn't

466
00:25:21,453 --> 00:25:25,253
Speaker 2: thought big and built in that area. Hey, now, Sam,

467
00:25:25,333 --> 00:25:28,893
Speaker 2: are you a Wonka local or have you moved there?

468
00:25:29,853 --> 00:25:32,773
Speaker 14: I moved here from from up north for a couple

469
00:25:32,773 --> 00:25:33,253
Speaker 14: of years ago.

470
00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:37,213
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, well how are you finding it? Because it's

471
00:25:37,213 --> 00:25:39,893
Speaker 2: an interesting place, isn't it? In Central Otigo? Because you

472
00:25:39,973 --> 00:25:42,653
Speaker 2: move there, it's all beautiful. But then once you start

473
00:25:42,693 --> 00:25:45,453
Speaker 2: to get behind the part of the community there, it

474
00:25:45,813 --> 00:25:47,093
Speaker 2: changes a little bit, doesn't it.

475
00:25:48,053 --> 00:25:51,373
Speaker 14: I mean, yeah, I'd never go back that way. Yeah,

476
00:25:51,533 --> 00:25:55,693
Speaker 14: I mean itself, it's definitely a rich man's playground. Yeah

477
00:25:55,733 --> 00:25:59,253
Speaker 14: I won't deny that, but yeah, I mean the place itself,

478
00:25:59,293 --> 00:26:01,733
Speaker 14: its stunning, mate, you know, you wake up you're surrounded

479
00:26:01,773 --> 00:26:04,253
Speaker 14: by snowcap mountains.

480
00:26:04,093 --> 00:26:04,973
Speaker 15: Every day of the week.

481
00:26:05,173 --> 00:26:07,333
Speaker 14: Yeah, and I mean we're sitting down here now and

482
00:26:07,333 --> 00:26:09,493
Speaker 14: I think it's probably six twenty seven degrees.

483
00:26:09,653 --> 00:26:11,453
Speaker 1: Yes, see that's nice and hot.

484
00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:13,733
Speaker 2: See that's great having a winter in the summer, as

485
00:26:13,813 --> 00:26:16,693
Speaker 2: I think I think people overlook how great that is

486
00:26:17,133 --> 00:26:20,813
Speaker 2: having a distinct distinct seasons. And I mean we're getting

487
00:26:20,813 --> 00:26:23,413
Speaker 2: off topic here, but autumn in that region is just phenomenal.

488
00:26:24,053 --> 00:26:24,813
Speaker 14: Oh, it's amazing.

489
00:26:24,853 --> 00:26:25,093
Speaker 15: Mate.

490
00:26:25,093 --> 00:26:27,453
Speaker 14: You've only got to drive twenty minutes up the road

491
00:26:27,493 --> 00:26:31,093
Speaker 14: to West Wonaca, out towards Glendu Bay, and you've got,

492
00:26:31,293 --> 00:26:34,213
Speaker 14: you know, all the colors of autumn, all the trees,

493
00:26:34,253 --> 00:26:36,173
Speaker 14: and it's pretty pretty unreal.

494
00:26:36,453 --> 00:26:39,333
Speaker 2: So you haven't experienced the dark heart of society Downe

495
00:26:39,333 --> 00:26:41,133
Speaker 2: and Monika yet, the dark.

496
00:26:41,093 --> 00:26:45,493
Speaker 14: I mean, look, you get that conder everywhere who doesn't

497
00:26:45,533 --> 00:26:48,493
Speaker 14: want McDonald's turning up. Well you wouldn't read about it,

498
00:26:48,533 --> 00:26:51,693
Speaker 14: but we've got McDonald's turning up. So you can never

499
00:26:51,733 --> 00:26:54,493
Speaker 14: please everyone, and it's just the way the cookie crumbles, unfortunately.

500
00:26:54,573 --> 00:26:56,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for you call Sam. Oh

501
00:26:56,733 --> 00:26:58,693
Speaker 2: and finally for you go Sam. Is there a many

502
00:26:58,733 --> 00:27:00,093
Speaker 2: bird attacks in Monica.

503
00:27:01,773 --> 00:27:03,613
Speaker 14: You're pretty dame down here, mate.

504
00:27:04,613 --> 00:27:07,413
Speaker 2: Some of the people Texican birds. Hayden is on the money.

505
00:27:07,453 --> 00:27:09,773
Speaker 2: The birds are getting all organized. That's what you need

506
00:27:09,813 --> 00:27:12,573
Speaker 2: to be talking about, this person, says Donnie says, let's

507
00:27:12,573 --> 00:27:14,333
Speaker 2: talk about the birds. I have a New Zealand falcon

508
00:27:14,373 --> 00:27:16,933
Speaker 2: that follows me around the blueberry orchard while I'm mowing

509
00:27:17,173 --> 00:27:20,693
Speaker 2: and smokes all the shitty introduced birds as they left off.

510
00:27:20,693 --> 00:27:23,573
Speaker 2: Love my falcon, regards Donnie. Donny from the Motte, What

511
00:27:23,573 --> 00:27:26,293
Speaker 2: a great New Zealander. And this one's Texas, says old counter.

512
00:27:26,373 --> 00:27:29,693
Speaker 2: That bird's hate is Matthew. I work a sheep station

513
00:27:29,893 --> 00:27:33,533
Speaker 2: on tay Happy Road. The seagulls would come one hundred

514
00:27:33,573 --> 00:27:35,853
Speaker 2: kilometers inland and attack the lambs. They'd go for the

515
00:27:35,853 --> 00:27:39,493
Speaker 2: eyes first before opening them up and gutting them. Oh

516
00:27:39,573 --> 00:27:42,453
Speaker 2: that's grim. I thought that the solution to fight back

517
00:27:42,453 --> 00:27:49,493
Speaker 2: against the bird attacks was it's funny eyeballs on the

518
00:27:49,573 --> 00:27:52,413
Speaker 2: roof of our hats. Anyway, back to the topic, eight

519
00:27:52,453 --> 00:27:57,253
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number? Do you

520
00:27:57,333 --> 00:28:00,973
Speaker 2: think that these big property bello to developers are those

521
00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:03,493
Speaker 2: of us who dream big and design and finance and

522
00:28:03,573 --> 00:28:06,373
Speaker 2: construct these major developments across the country are the best

523
00:28:06,413 --> 00:28:08,653
Speaker 2: of us? Are they the people that are at making

524
00:28:08,693 --> 00:28:11,173
Speaker 2: a difference in our lives, the real creatives? Or are

525
00:28:11,213 --> 00:28:16,453
Speaker 2: they absolute greedy monopoly board scum. Oh, eight hundred eighty

526
00:28:16,453 --> 00:28:19,213
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number. It is twenty minutes to

527
00:28:19,293 --> 00:28:19,893
Speaker 2: two o'clock.

528
00:28:20,333 --> 00:28:23,253
Speaker 1: It's a fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heath

529
00:28:23,293 --> 00:28:26,853
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred

530
00:28:26,973 --> 00:28:28,413
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty youth talks.

531
00:28:28,413 --> 00:28:32,013
Speaker 2: They'd be we're talking about property developers. Do we love

532
00:28:32,053 --> 00:28:35,133
Speaker 2: them or do we hate them? This Texas? Interesting. I

533
00:28:35,173 --> 00:28:39,613
Speaker 2: was attacked by a tooey in Raglan. They're coming for us. Interesting,

534
00:28:40,053 --> 00:28:43,053
Speaker 2: welcome to show, Pete. How are you this afternoon?

535
00:28:44,293 --> 00:28:44,493
Speaker 16: Yeah?

536
00:28:44,573 --> 00:28:44,813
Speaker 17: Good?

537
00:28:45,253 --> 00:28:47,253
Speaker 8: Yeah, actually yeah. You got to give credit to the

538
00:28:47,333 --> 00:28:49,533
Speaker 8: property develops and they put a lot of stake and

539
00:28:49,693 --> 00:28:51,413
Speaker 8: do what they do a lot of lay out of money.

540
00:28:51,453 --> 00:28:54,773
Speaker 8: But I think there's about twenty or twenty odds saving

541
00:28:54,893 --> 00:28:56,733
Speaker 8: and liquidation the other day or whatever.

542
00:28:57,093 --> 00:28:57,333
Speaker 6: Yep.

543
00:28:57,493 --> 00:29:00,093
Speaker 8: So I think what we have to do in this

544
00:29:00,173 --> 00:29:04,813
Speaker 8: country is the people that are developing those developments. As

545
00:29:04,853 --> 00:29:07,613
Speaker 8: where there's five James and he's gone now yeah, so

546
00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:09,773
Speaker 8: you going to look at the back and who's actually

547
00:29:09,813 --> 00:29:10,933
Speaker 8: backing these projects.

548
00:29:10,973 --> 00:29:12,013
Speaker 9: So you haven't got these.

549
00:29:11,813 --> 00:29:14,733
Speaker 8: Fly by night and you're going to fly by, take

550
00:29:14,773 --> 00:29:17,373
Speaker 8: your money and run. Yeah, I think the government's look

551
00:29:17,413 --> 00:29:20,813
Speaker 8: at who's developing the backing of the of them are

552
00:29:20,933 --> 00:29:24,093
Speaker 8: security for the people you put deposits down or whatever,

553
00:29:24,093 --> 00:29:26,293
Speaker 8: you're just going to get your money back. Other worse basically,

554
00:29:26,293 --> 00:29:29,373
Speaker 8: your say go down that road and your charges are

555
00:29:29,373 --> 00:29:31,173
Speaker 8: pretty high, you're going to be caught out with one

556
00:29:31,213 --> 00:29:32,493
Speaker 8: of them going and receivership.

557
00:29:32,853 --> 00:29:34,933
Speaker 2: It is a I mean it's a huge leap of faith.

558
00:29:35,253 --> 00:29:37,573
Speaker 2: You know, the one I'm talking about right here. You

559
00:29:37,613 --> 00:29:39,893
Speaker 2: know it was first, you know, the first planning and

560
00:29:39,973 --> 00:29:42,933
Speaker 2: land is simply started in twenty and thirteen and people

561
00:29:43,013 --> 00:29:45,973
Speaker 2: are just sort of moving in now. So you know,

562
00:29:46,293 --> 00:29:48,733
Speaker 2: you think what's happened since twenty and thirteen in this

563
00:29:48,813 --> 00:29:53,573
Speaker 2: country to actually plan that far in the future. I mean,

564
00:29:53,613 --> 00:29:55,453
Speaker 2: it would be hard to know, wouldn't it. With hard

565
00:29:55,933 --> 00:29:57,973
Speaker 2: you know, there has What I'm saying is I absolutely

566
00:29:57,973 --> 00:30:01,413
Speaker 2: agree that risk needs to be mitigated and there can

567
00:30:01,453 --> 00:30:04,893
Speaker 2: be you know, contractors and people that are buying into

568
00:30:04,933 --> 00:30:07,973
Speaker 2: these things that get burnt, But there has to be

569
00:30:08,013 --> 00:30:10,333
Speaker 2: a s certain amount of le leap of faith and

570
00:30:10,373 --> 00:30:15,013
Speaker 2: a certain amount of risk to build these truly spectacular

571
00:30:15,173 --> 00:30:19,413
Speaker 2: new sub beautiful suburbs that I'm talking about. Pete, would

572
00:30:19,413 --> 00:30:21,493
Speaker 2: you agree with that that that there's no chance that

573
00:30:21,493 --> 00:30:22,653
Speaker 2: it's going to be zero risk?

574
00:30:24,293 --> 00:30:24,453
Speaker 16: Oh?

575
00:30:24,453 --> 00:30:26,813
Speaker 8: I agree with Dad that's saying as zero risk. But

576
00:30:26,933 --> 00:30:29,013
Speaker 8: I think best of all, I think if you get

577
00:30:29,013 --> 00:30:30,733
Speaker 8: in one of those projects, now you got to think,

578
00:30:30,853 --> 00:30:33,933
Speaker 8: who's who's the guy behind it? Where's his money? And

579
00:30:34,173 --> 00:30:36,893
Speaker 8: something goes wrong? Can he bow me out? N Let's

580
00:30:36,893 --> 00:30:39,373
Speaker 8: get my deposit money back. Otherwise basically you've got to

581
00:30:39,373 --> 00:30:41,773
Speaker 8: struggle and get that back, and everybody's must. We've got

582
00:30:41,773 --> 00:30:44,093
Speaker 8: the deposit money. I've even get that deposit money where

583
00:30:44,093 --> 00:30:45,693
Speaker 8: the's to hundred thousand and three and the thousand lot

584
00:30:45,693 --> 00:30:48,253
Speaker 8: of money is you'll at least you got some guarantee

585
00:30:48,293 --> 00:30:52,493
Speaker 8: that that company does have some sort of insurance at you.

586
00:30:52,493 --> 00:30:54,093
Speaker 8: At least you'll get that back. If they haven't got

587
00:30:54,093 --> 00:30:56,053
Speaker 8: that backing, I wouldn't even I wouldn't touch in the

588
00:30:56,093 --> 00:30:59,053
Speaker 8: barge park because otherwise it's just it's like threety sick

589
00:30:59,093 --> 00:31:01,093
Speaker 8: as walk away and spray and walk away.

590
00:31:01,333 --> 00:31:03,933
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ill, thank so much for your call Pete. The

591
00:31:03,973 --> 00:31:07,333
Speaker 2: monopoly Man never wore a monocle and Dolly never wore

592
00:31:07,333 --> 00:31:10,373
Speaker 2: braces in the Moonraker James Bond movie. These are Mandela

593
00:31:10,413 --> 00:31:15,333
Speaker 2: effects an interesting subject. Yeah, the Mandela effects shared memories

594
00:31:15,413 --> 00:31:20,653
Speaker 2: of things that didn't actually happen because people thought that

595
00:31:20,653 --> 00:31:25,373
Speaker 2: they'd seen Nelson Mandela's funeral before he died and could

596
00:31:25,373 --> 00:31:27,493
Speaker 2: picture it and describe so much of it, but it

597
00:31:27,533 --> 00:31:30,813
Speaker 2: hadn't happened yet. So it's the Mandela effect and monopoly

598
00:31:30,893 --> 00:31:34,733
Speaker 2: man monocle that is one of them, that is absolutely

599
00:31:35,133 --> 00:31:39,693
Speaker 2: one of them. And so people that push for this

600
00:31:39,693 --> 00:31:42,853
Speaker 2: this theory and I'm coming off top again, it's bird

601
00:31:42,853 --> 00:31:46,333
Speaker 2: attacks and it's the Mandela effect. Got to keep focused

602
00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:48,253
Speaker 2: on the topic at hand without Tyler her to ray

603
00:31:48,333 --> 00:31:51,613
Speaker 2: me in. But the monical man is one of that,

604
00:31:51,653 --> 00:31:54,133
Speaker 2: and that people that believe these kind of things use

605
00:31:54,213 --> 00:31:57,453
Speaker 2: it as evidence that we're jumping between timeland lines. So

606
00:31:57,613 --> 00:32:01,133
Speaker 2: in one timeline you were on, the monopoly man was rich,

607
00:32:01,173 --> 00:32:03,693
Speaker 2: monopoly Man was wearing a monocle, But then you've jumped

608
00:32:03,693 --> 00:32:06,813
Speaker 2: to a different time man timeline, and the monocle man

609
00:32:06,853 --> 00:32:09,813
Speaker 2: in this timeline doesn't The monopoly man does not have

610
00:32:09,853 --> 00:32:13,613
Speaker 2: a monocle in this time. Yeah, that's that's really really

611
00:32:14,093 --> 00:32:17,373
Speaker 2: muddying the waters, Dave. Welcome to the show.

612
00:32:18,413 --> 00:32:22,573
Speaker 9: Oh yes, hello there. Yeah, you know the thing you

613
00:32:22,653 --> 00:32:26,973
Speaker 9: are talking about getting dive bombed by seagulls. That guy

614
00:32:27,013 --> 00:32:31,453
Speaker 9: in Glennanus who wore a hard hat, it was getting

615
00:32:31,453 --> 00:32:34,373
Speaker 9: dive bombed all the time. Yes, well there is a

616
00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:35,133
Speaker 9: cure for that.

617
00:32:35,333 --> 00:32:35,853
Speaker 2: What is that?

618
00:32:36,773 --> 00:32:39,653
Speaker 9: And that you take your hard hat and you go

619
00:32:39,773 --> 00:32:44,493
Speaker 9: to the fish market, yeah, next to Sabritski's on the waterfront,

620
00:32:44,493 --> 00:32:48,533
Speaker 9: and you dip your hard hat in the fish guts

621
00:32:49,013 --> 00:32:54,093
Speaker 9: out the back and then you you let it dry

622
00:32:54,573 --> 00:32:57,893
Speaker 9: in the sun and then you put it back on

623
00:32:57,933 --> 00:32:58,413
Speaker 9: your head.

624
00:32:59,013 --> 00:32:59,093
Speaker 13: Ye.

625
00:33:00,133 --> 00:33:06,133
Speaker 9: Seagulls, they they love they have an incredible nose and

626
00:33:06,173 --> 00:33:11,813
Speaker 9: they love the smell of fish. Right. Their pants are

627
00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:14,973
Speaker 9: filled with fish guts. So they will come and just

628
00:33:15,173 --> 00:33:17,333
Speaker 9: they won't dive bob you. They will just come and

629
00:33:17,813 --> 00:33:18,733
Speaker 9: fit on your head.

630
00:33:19,013 --> 00:33:21,773
Speaker 2: I guess, right, And so I guess I can see

631
00:33:21,813 --> 00:33:24,973
Speaker 2: a couple of downsides of this plan, Dave, And that

632
00:33:25,053 --> 00:33:28,773
Speaker 2: you walk around absolutely stinking of fish guts all day

633
00:33:29,573 --> 00:33:32,133
Speaker 2: and no, no, it's dried, it's dry.

634
00:33:32,853 --> 00:33:36,413
Speaker 9: It's yeah, it's it's different to.

635
00:33:38,813 --> 00:33:40,933
Speaker 2: Right, and so what you cellitate the fish guts the

636
00:33:41,013 --> 00:33:42,653
Speaker 2: dried fish guts to your hard hat.

637
00:33:44,173 --> 00:33:47,453
Speaker 9: No, no, it's it just it's just naturally dried, and

638
00:33:47,493 --> 00:33:51,773
Speaker 9: you just and the seagulls will eventually just fly away.

639
00:33:52,133 --> 00:33:55,093
Speaker 2: Right, And is it is it helpful to have a seagull?

640
00:33:55,573 --> 00:33:58,893
Speaker 2: I mean, what are the downsides of having seagulls sitting

641
00:33:58,933 --> 00:34:00,933
Speaker 2: sitting on your hat while you're trying to get your

642
00:34:00,933 --> 00:34:02,653
Speaker 2: work done at a building side? I mean, not a

643
00:34:02,693 --> 00:34:05,093
Speaker 2: lot of downsides to that. I mean it's a terrible

644
00:34:05,093 --> 00:34:06,573
Speaker 2: downside if you sit down and have some fish and

645
00:34:06,653 --> 00:34:09,412
Speaker 2: chips and the seagulls right there to die and grab

646
00:34:09,453 --> 00:34:10,213
Speaker 2: you a bit of fish.

647
00:34:10,053 --> 00:34:16,173
Speaker 9: Right, Yeah, sure, But I mean, you know, very popular

648
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Speaker 9: with young children.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Well I used to work on a building site

650
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Speaker 2: with a hard hat on, and you are popular with

651
00:34:23,853 --> 00:34:26,373
Speaker 2: young children, you know, lego fans They come and they

652
00:34:26,373 --> 00:34:28,133
Speaker 2: want to talk to you that you're kind of a

653
00:34:28,133 --> 00:34:29,973
Speaker 2: celebrity if you're working on a building site in a

654
00:34:30,053 --> 00:34:32,453
Speaker 2: high vers with a hard hat on, because you're you know,

655
00:34:32,453 --> 00:34:34,053
Speaker 2: you're what they learn about a lot. You know they're

656
00:34:34,053 --> 00:34:37,173
Speaker 2: talking about they're seeing pictures and picture box of construction people.

657
00:34:37,493 --> 00:34:40,373
Speaker 2: So I'm sure, you're absolutely right, Dave. If you were

658
00:34:40,373 --> 00:34:44,413
Speaker 2: a construction guy and you also had a say, you

659
00:34:44,453 --> 00:34:47,253
Speaker 2: also had a seagull sitting on your head, you would

660
00:34:47,293 --> 00:34:52,493
Speaker 2: be hugely, hugely popular with the children. But we're off topic.

661
00:34:52,613 --> 00:34:55,733
Speaker 2: The topic we're talking about today is our property developers,

662
00:34:56,293 --> 00:35:01,692
Speaker 2: the most creative, risk taking heroes of our society that

663
00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:05,093
Speaker 2: are building a better future. Oh, e one hundred eighty,

664
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Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number, and it is ten to one.

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Speaker 1: Mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

666
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Speaker 1: and eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 2: Talks by you're listening to New Stalks. They been as

668
00:35:21,173 --> 00:35:26,652
Speaker 2: one fifty two as an interesting text. Don't rule out

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Speaker 2: being attacked by a bird from another timeline. It's terrifying. Joel,

670
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Speaker 2: Welcome to show your thoughts on property developers.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: I don't mind property developers that all fully support them.

673
00:35:37,693 --> 00:35:40,172
Speaker 15: The only thing, a couple of issues that I've got

674
00:35:40,213 --> 00:35:44,253
Speaker 15: with them is a habitat, taking away habitat from wildlife.

675
00:35:44,493 --> 00:35:49,133
Speaker 15: Also the runoff like I when we have bad storms

676
00:35:49,173 --> 00:35:52,853
Speaker 15: and stuff, and also just keeping our rivers and sea cling.

677
00:35:53,093 --> 00:35:55,413
Speaker 15: And that's the only issues I've got really as long

678
00:35:55,453 --> 00:35:57,893
Speaker 15: as all that there's only control then.

679
00:35:58,093 --> 00:36:00,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it should be. It should be

680
00:36:02,413 --> 00:36:05,013
Speaker 2: on a property development and make sure what their building

681
00:36:05,173 --> 00:36:09,973
Speaker 2: doesn't have an adverse effect on the areas around it already,

682
00:36:10,493 --> 00:36:12,893
Speaker 2: you know, not just making sure that the draining is

683
00:36:12,933 --> 00:36:15,652
Speaker 2: good for where they are, but they absolutely have to

684
00:36:15,653 --> 00:36:20,013
Speaker 2: be playing ball with the you know, the everything around

685
00:36:20,013 --> 00:36:22,893
Speaker 2: the situation. Have you ever lived in one of these

686
00:36:23,253 --> 00:36:26,453
Speaker 2: giant developments at all.

687
00:36:26,453 --> 00:36:28,493
Speaker 15: I'm from Molroll, which is not that big, but you

688
00:36:28,693 --> 00:36:31,373
Speaker 15: just noticed the development. Now, like all of our stormwater

689
00:36:31,453 --> 00:36:36,133
Speaker 15: drains they just can't handle the development these days, you know,

690
00:36:36,213 --> 00:36:39,053
Speaker 15: because you see them full all the time, and you

691
00:36:39,093 --> 00:36:41,212
Speaker 15: only need a couple of leads to blot the great

692
00:36:41,373 --> 00:36:44,333
Speaker 15: up and next minute the whole streets flooded out and

693
00:36:44,533 --> 00:36:47,693
Speaker 15: you know you've got water running up our stormwater drains

694
00:36:47,733 --> 00:36:50,333
Speaker 15: back into our gutters and stuff into our drain pipes.

695
00:36:50,373 --> 00:36:55,652
Speaker 15: And yeah, it's just so much in one area for

696
00:36:55,733 --> 00:36:57,133
Speaker 15: a lot of water to be moving.

697
00:36:57,453 --> 00:36:58,893
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:36:58,893 --> 00:37:05,293
Speaker 15: And another thing is probably making sure it's they've gone

699
00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:08,693
Speaker 15: through the plans on the not ten years time blowing

700
00:37:08,853 --> 00:37:10,293
Speaker 15: down to put a motorway through there.

701
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean and there's the other thing. Of course,

702
00:37:14,373 --> 00:37:17,653
Speaker 2: you know, you shove two thousand houses into an area

703
00:37:17,973 --> 00:37:21,093
Speaker 2: and and don't and don't build another and the government

704
00:37:21,093 --> 00:37:24,453
Speaker 2: doesn't build another school, then that's a real problem. And

705
00:37:24,493 --> 00:37:27,253
Speaker 2: I know that Mount Albert Grammar in Auckland is basically

706
00:37:27,573 --> 00:37:31,373
Speaker 2: absolutely rammed, and so this is an area where people

707
00:37:31,413 --> 00:37:34,733
Speaker 2: keep talking about building more and more houses and you

708
00:37:34,453 --> 00:37:36,333
Speaker 2: just you just don't have anywhere for people to go

709
00:37:36,373 --> 00:37:37,053
Speaker 2: to school.

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00:37:37,293 --> 00:37:40,453
Speaker 15: You know, it's like all the country schools down there,

711
00:37:40,533 --> 00:37:43,493
Speaker 15: most of them are closed down, like because they're getting

712
00:37:43,493 --> 00:37:46,413
Speaker 15: down to pupils of what under forty So now they're

713
00:37:46,453 --> 00:37:47,933
Speaker 15: all going to town skills.

714
00:37:48,293 --> 00:37:51,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, thank you so much, Joel. So you're you're

715
00:37:51,413 --> 00:37:53,613
Speaker 2: on board with these but do you do sort of

716
00:37:53,653 --> 00:37:55,853
Speaker 2: agree with me that there are these people that have

717
00:37:55,933 --> 00:37:59,652
Speaker 2: these big visions and they take risks and and they

718
00:37:59,733 --> 00:38:04,252
Speaker 2: and some of them are building new things that make

719
00:38:04,333 --> 00:38:05,933
Speaker 2: our country a better place.

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Speaker 15: Oh definitely didn't have developers would be still living intense

721
00:38:10,573 --> 00:38:12,813
Speaker 15: and caravans. So it's a good thing.

722
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I mean the sort of anti progress thing

723
00:38:17,373 --> 00:38:20,652
Speaker 2: is an interesting one because you know, most people that

724
00:38:20,653 --> 00:38:25,253
Speaker 2: are anti progress live on, you know, live on the

725
00:38:25,293 --> 00:38:27,133
Speaker 2: fruits of progress, as it were.

726
00:38:28,093 --> 00:38:29,813
Speaker 15: The thing about it is a lot of people have

727
00:38:29,893 --> 00:38:33,413
Speaker 15: probably lived in the country in motor Town maybe you know,

728
00:38:33,813 --> 00:38:36,493
Speaker 15: having kids, whore getting older, and they're not used to

729
00:38:36,573 --> 00:38:40,573
Speaker 15: built up areas. So that's half the problem. People move

730
00:38:40,613 --> 00:38:43,173
Speaker 15: into a place and it's like, oh, this is real

731
00:38:43,213 --> 00:38:45,133
Speaker 15: col and then they realize what they've got around them.

732
00:38:45,173 --> 00:38:46,613
Speaker 15: It's like too much for a lot of people.

733
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Thank you so much for your call, Joel.

734
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Speaker 2: I have no association with this developer, but I think

735
00:38:53,853 --> 00:38:59,772
Speaker 2: they're building great homes with an elegant style. The developer is, oh,

736
00:38:59,773 --> 00:39:05,573
Speaker 2: this particular is brook Fields. Look them up well after

737
00:39:05,813 --> 00:39:07,533
Speaker 2: the break, because I want to get to the bottom

738
00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:11,253
Speaker 2: of this particular develop that I was looking into. We're

739
00:39:11,253 --> 00:39:13,652
Speaker 2: going to talk to Steve Evans, who is the chief

740
00:39:13,693 --> 00:39:19,093
Speaker 2: exec of Fletcher Living. They have put together this incredible

741
00:39:19,133 --> 00:39:20,893
Speaker 2: development in my opinion, and I've been working on it

742
00:39:20,933 --> 00:39:27,733
Speaker 2: since twenty thirteen. But big property developers, are they the

743
00:39:27,773 --> 00:39:30,893
Speaker 2: best of us? Or are they horrible greedy scum? Oh

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00:39:30,973 --> 00:39:33,732
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We'll be back after the.

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Speaker 1: News talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and

746
00:39:46,853 --> 00:39:49,453
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

747
00:39:49,493 --> 00:39:53,013
Speaker 2: It'd be yes, welcome back. It's seven past two. You

748
00:39:53,093 --> 00:39:56,173
Speaker 2: listen to Matt and Tyler afternoons with just Matt because

749
00:39:56,333 --> 00:39:59,853
Speaker 2: Tyler is away. I'm seeing a wedding. I missed my

750
00:39:59,933 --> 00:40:03,652
Speaker 2: buddy dearly, but I'm still having a fantastic time. You

751
00:40:03,733 --> 00:40:05,853
Speaker 2: have to bear with me if I get the telephone

752
00:40:05,933 --> 00:40:08,213
Speaker 2: number wrong, O WA eight hundred and eighty ten, aliably

753
00:40:08,413 --> 00:40:10,213
Speaker 2: it is. I believe the text number is nine two

754
00:40:10,733 --> 00:40:12,453
Speaker 2: nine two, and if I get the time wrong, because

755
00:40:12,493 --> 00:40:17,893
Speaker 2: those are Tyler's jobs and he's left me to do everything.

756
00:40:18,373 --> 00:40:21,253
Speaker 2: The question we're asking, we're asking last hour, and it

757
00:40:21,293 --> 00:40:22,973
Speaker 2: was a great conversation. Thank you so much for all

758
00:40:23,053 --> 00:40:25,212
Speaker 2: your calls on our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

759
00:40:25,293 --> 00:40:27,373
Speaker 2: is another nine two ninety two is the text number

760
00:40:28,453 --> 00:40:33,573
Speaker 2: was about property developers in amongst chat about the birds

761
00:40:34,133 --> 00:40:36,973
Speaker 2: coming and should be worried about bird attacks, and also

762
00:40:37,173 --> 00:40:40,413
Speaker 2: the Mandela effect. But the main thrust of the topic

763
00:40:40,733 --> 00:40:43,053
Speaker 2: was this question that I had because I was walking

764
00:40:43,093 --> 00:40:45,772
Speaker 2: through a property development my neighborhood and I just got

765
00:40:45,813 --> 00:40:49,172
Speaker 2: struck by how beautiful it was and how well it

766
00:40:49,213 --> 00:40:51,973
Speaker 2: was put together, a beautiful park under a mountain, and

767
00:40:52,013 --> 00:40:56,093
Speaker 2: the houses there just looked like a community like people

768
00:40:56,413 --> 00:40:59,973
Speaker 2: will live there, And I immediately just thought about the friends,

769
00:41:00,093 --> 00:41:02,093
Speaker 2: the people that were retired there, the families that will

770
00:41:02,133 --> 00:41:04,613
Speaker 2: grow up there, the barbecues that will be had there,

771
00:41:04,733 --> 00:41:08,172
Speaker 2: and as communicating the community grows, people will forget its

772
00:41:08,333 --> 00:41:11,693
Speaker 2: development and will just become a community. So my question

773
00:41:12,053 --> 00:41:16,293
Speaker 2: today was, you know, our property developers are those who

774
00:41:16,413 --> 00:41:22,813
Speaker 2: dream big and design and finance and construct these things,

775
00:41:22,973 --> 00:41:25,652
Speaker 2: you know, just the best of us? Or are they

776
00:41:26,173 --> 00:41:32,652
Speaker 2: absolutely self centered, greedy scum? As you know social media

777
00:41:32,693 --> 00:41:34,773
Speaker 2: like Reddit would say, are they the people that actually

778
00:41:34,813 --> 00:41:36,573
Speaker 2: make a real difference in our lives? Are they the

779
00:41:36,933 --> 00:41:39,573
Speaker 2: real creatives and the risk takers that make things better?

780
00:41:39,733 --> 00:41:43,133
Speaker 2: And I'd extend this out to you know, the developers

781
00:41:43,173 --> 00:41:47,493
Speaker 2: of major hospo districts and such. You know, these people

782
00:41:47,493 --> 00:41:49,453
Speaker 2: create the worlds we live in. So, so do you

783
00:41:49,453 --> 00:41:54,893
Speaker 2: agree are they Are they just evil, greedy scum or

784
00:41:55,013 --> 00:41:57,053
Speaker 2: are they the best of us? Well we're joined by

785
00:41:57,333 --> 00:42:01,173
Speaker 2: Steve Evans, a chief executive of Fletcher Living who has

786
00:42:01,253 --> 00:42:04,212
Speaker 2: developed who has developed this Three Kings development that I'm

787
00:42:04,213 --> 00:42:09,253
Speaker 2: a fan of. So, Steve, are you a visionary creative

788
00:42:09,253 --> 00:42:12,252
Speaker 2: who dreams burg and builds beautiful places for communities grow,

789
00:42:12,373 --> 00:42:14,813
Speaker 2: or you an evil, greedy, monopoly boored villain.

790
00:42:15,613 --> 00:42:17,893
Speaker 17: I'd like to think the former, Matt, and good afternoon

791
00:42:17,973 --> 00:42:20,413
Speaker 17: to you, and good afternoon to your listeners. Look, I

792
00:42:20,453 --> 00:42:23,573
Speaker 17: think the first thing is is it's about vision, and

793
00:42:23,613 --> 00:42:27,293
Speaker 17: it's about patience. It's about the belief of what you

794
00:42:27,333 --> 00:42:30,293
Speaker 17: can create. In the example of Three Kings, it was

795
00:42:30,333 --> 00:42:33,293
Speaker 17: a case of we sit within a community, but we've

796
00:42:33,333 --> 00:42:37,413
Speaker 17: got the opportunity of bettering that community and adding to it,

797
00:42:37,453 --> 00:42:39,613
Speaker 17: and that was the vision that we came up with

798
00:42:39,773 --> 00:42:42,493
Speaker 17: Three Kings. We try to do it on all of

799
00:42:42,533 --> 00:42:47,373
Speaker 17: our developments. We're successful to varying degrees, but certainly the intent,

800
00:42:47,973 --> 00:42:50,133
Speaker 17: I guess from my point of view, from my team's

801
00:42:50,173 --> 00:42:53,693
Speaker 17: point of view, is to create something that our kids

802
00:42:53,733 --> 00:42:58,013
Speaker 17: and grandkids can turn around and said dad, mum, grandmother, grandfather.

803
00:42:58,133 --> 00:43:01,853
Speaker 17: They were the ones responsible for this, and that responsibility

804
00:43:01,853 --> 00:43:06,053
Speaker 17: and legacy is incredibly important and we take very very seriously.

805
00:43:06,653 --> 00:43:10,013
Speaker 2: So all that time ago, some time before twenty thirteen,

806
00:43:10,053 --> 00:43:13,533
Speaker 2: when planning first started, did someone at Flitch to just

807
00:43:13,573 --> 00:43:15,493
Speaker 2: drive past, see a big hole in the ground and go,

808
00:43:15,653 --> 00:43:17,333
Speaker 2: you know what, we could put a suburb in there.

809
00:43:18,293 --> 00:43:21,933
Speaker 17: We had the benefit that it was actually our old quarry, right,

810
00:43:22,253 --> 00:43:25,173
Speaker 17: It was a Windstone aggregate's quarry that was about over

811
00:43:25,813 --> 00:43:28,133
Speaker 17: seventy percent of the land. And the vision we took

812
00:43:28,213 --> 00:43:31,573
Speaker 17: with it was actually we could just develop our land

813
00:43:31,893 --> 00:43:34,213
Speaker 17: or there was some area directly to the south that

814
00:43:34,333 --> 00:43:37,573
Speaker 17: was an old Auckland Council tip site or old Auckland

815
00:43:37,653 --> 00:43:42,773
Speaker 17: Council depot sites that actually we thought with working together

816
00:43:42,853 --> 00:43:45,653
Speaker 17: with council, working together with government, there was a much

817
00:43:45,813 --> 00:43:50,053
Speaker 17: better vision that we could both both articulate and then deliver.

818
00:43:50,893 --> 00:43:54,333
Speaker 17: So we set out to work with the council. We

819
00:43:54,373 --> 00:43:57,812
Speaker 17: had had a number of pushback and history will show

820
00:43:57,853 --> 00:43:59,933
Speaker 17: that we had to go through Environment Court to get

821
00:44:00,413 --> 00:44:03,333
Speaker 17: where we wanted to in terms of the development. But

822
00:44:03,613 --> 00:44:06,533
Speaker 17: we were clear that you start with good public realm.

823
00:44:06,653 --> 00:44:08,973
Speaker 17: If you think about perhaps you as a kid, I

824
00:44:09,013 --> 00:44:11,253
Speaker 17: know certainly me as a kid, we used to go

825
00:44:11,293 --> 00:44:13,933
Speaker 17: down the parks and get to know our neighbors through

826
00:44:13,973 --> 00:44:15,053
Speaker 17: that parking environment.

827
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Speaker 2: Now they survive I got from this development when I

828
00:44:17,493 --> 00:44:18,613
Speaker 2: was running around it today.

829
00:44:18,693 --> 00:44:20,813
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, And that's what you want. You want to

830
00:44:20,813 --> 00:44:24,373
Speaker 17: be able to have that sense of community. And if

831
00:44:24,373 --> 00:44:27,733
Speaker 17: you do that well, then you don't need big quarter

832
00:44:27,773 --> 00:44:30,732
Speaker 17: acre blocks or half acre blocks with big backyards because

833
00:44:30,733 --> 00:44:34,613
Speaker 17: your backyard is actually the park outside.

834
00:44:33,733 --> 00:44:36,973
Speaker 2: Now with this development, I mean we're just talking about it,

835
00:44:36,973 --> 00:44:38,573
Speaker 2: both of you. You know it very well and I

836
00:44:38,613 --> 00:44:40,293
Speaker 2: know it quite well because I live in the area.

837
00:44:40,293 --> 00:44:43,453
Speaker 2: But can you just describe the magnitude of what had

838
00:44:43,533 --> 00:44:46,573
Speaker 2: to be done because a lot didn't happen? You know,

839
00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:49,093
Speaker 2: from a person that walks up bicking a lot and

840
00:44:49,173 --> 00:44:52,172
Speaker 2: looks down for a long time, it felt like you

841
00:44:52,213 --> 00:44:56,293
Speaker 2: guys were going nowhere. I'm sure you were the longest time.

842
00:44:56,333 --> 00:44:58,973
Speaker 2: It just seemed like there was some big, big machinery

843
00:44:59,173 --> 00:45:01,293
Speaker 2: push and gravel around. So can you just sort of

844
00:45:01,293 --> 00:45:05,133
Speaker 2: describe the magnitude of the job and how big it

845
00:45:05,173 --> 00:45:06,613
Speaker 2: is actually going to be when it's finished.

846
00:45:07,333 --> 00:45:11,173
Speaker 17: Fine, I mean we started off with effectively a hole

847
00:45:11,213 --> 00:45:13,813
Speaker 17: in the ground that was about fifty to sixty meters

848
00:45:13,853 --> 00:45:18,653
Speaker 17: deep from Mount Eden Road. We worked out that actually

849
00:45:18,813 --> 00:45:21,813
Speaker 17: we had a responsibility to fill in the hole, so

850
00:45:21,933 --> 00:45:25,293
Speaker 17: to speak. But actually, when you think about what is

851
00:45:25,333 --> 00:45:27,573
Speaker 17: the form that's left, you know that you don't want

852
00:45:27,613 --> 00:45:29,893
Speaker 17: to create something that people won't like. You don't want

853
00:45:29,893 --> 00:45:32,213
Speaker 17: to provide homes in a hole. You don't want to

854
00:45:32,373 --> 00:45:35,692
Speaker 17: be a little rabbit. So what we determined is that

855
00:45:35,813 --> 00:45:40,053
Speaker 17: the right level for the renew in Mari terms of

856
00:45:40,053 --> 00:45:44,533
Speaker 17: the based canoe is about ten meters lower than Mount

857
00:45:44,693 --> 00:45:46,773
Speaker 17: Eden Road, and what that allowed us to do is

858
00:45:46,813 --> 00:45:51,172
Speaker 17: to create a really large flat platform, but to use

859
00:45:51,293 --> 00:45:54,973
Speaker 17: that ten meter drop to provide views into the and

860
00:45:55,093 --> 00:45:58,893
Speaker 17: over the parkland. In the future, the ability to provide

861
00:45:58,973 --> 00:46:01,933
Speaker 17: terrace housing that can look can step down that face.

862
00:46:02,053 --> 00:46:05,453
Speaker 17: So we started with active recreation.

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Speaker 5: What does the.

864
00:46:06,253 --> 00:46:09,333
Speaker 17: Community need If you know the area well, the western

865
00:46:09,373 --> 00:46:14,133
Speaker 17: playing fields it's just directly south of Big King Muddy

866
00:46:14,573 --> 00:46:18,573
Speaker 17: hard to play on uneven surfaces. Worked with the Three

867
00:46:18,653 --> 00:46:20,973
Speaker 17: Kings soccer club at the time to say, are you

868
00:46:21,013 --> 00:46:24,773
Speaker 17: guys interested, what are your needs? Identified the need for

869
00:46:24,813 --> 00:46:28,613
Speaker 17: a couple of soccer pitchers. Designed that so that in

870
00:46:28,653 --> 00:46:32,013
Speaker 17: summer it can be used as crickets. From my point

871
00:46:32,053 --> 00:46:38,493
Speaker 17: of view, that deals with stereolisle generalizing people that are

872
00:46:38,573 --> 00:46:41,613
Speaker 17: ten years old. But therefore we wanted a playground so

873
00:46:41,653 --> 00:46:44,692
Speaker 17: you can actually have the ability for kids to play

874
00:46:44,733 --> 00:46:48,853
Speaker 17: at a younger age. And by doing that it allowed

875
00:46:48,933 --> 00:46:52,172
Speaker 17: us to plan the southern side of the development so

876
00:46:52,213 --> 00:46:55,253
Speaker 17: that on the northern side we could provide housing and

877
00:46:55,293 --> 00:46:58,013
Speaker 17: they're not just saying how do you cram housing together?

878
00:46:58,333 --> 00:47:02,133
Speaker 17: Think of the range of people that occupy housing in

879
00:47:02,173 --> 00:47:04,573
Speaker 17: a community, and we wanted a solution to fit them all.

880
00:47:04,693 --> 00:47:07,813
Speaker 17: So that was the vision. That was the belief that

881
00:47:07,853 --> 00:47:10,293
Speaker 17: we had was the legacy where you wanted to provide

882
00:47:10,453 --> 00:47:15,773
Speaker 17: And we're lucky that the shareholder Fletcher Building was buying

883
00:47:15,813 --> 00:47:18,693
Speaker 17: into that and willing to provide the funds to be

884
00:47:18,733 --> 00:47:20,613
Speaker 17: able to do it on the basis that, yes, we

885
00:47:20,613 --> 00:47:22,053
Speaker 17: were going to make money out of it, and there's

886
00:47:22,093 --> 00:47:25,213
Speaker 17: no harm in being a property developer that can both

887
00:47:25,293 --> 00:47:28,293
Speaker 17: provide a legacy and make good returns for a shareholders.

888
00:47:28,613 --> 00:47:30,413
Speaker 2: Why would you do it? I mean if you had

889
00:47:30,453 --> 00:47:32,533
Speaker 2: to give people to back something that didn't make any money.

890
00:47:32,733 --> 00:47:35,172
Speaker 2: But that is interesting that you say you can make

891
00:47:35,213 --> 00:47:36,813
Speaker 2: money from it. For the longest time, as I say,

892
00:47:36,853 --> 00:47:38,252
Speaker 2: I'm up, big King, and I'm looking at this whole,

893
00:47:38,293 --> 00:47:41,293
Speaker 2: I'm going, how can anyone make money from filling a

894
00:47:41,333 --> 00:47:43,373
Speaker 2: hole like that? And even when I'm running around it

895
00:47:43,453 --> 00:47:47,933
Speaker 2: now and you've kindly put like one hundred meter markers

896
00:47:47,973 --> 00:47:49,173
Speaker 2: on there so you can see how far are you

897
00:47:49,293 --> 00:47:51,692
Speaker 2: running and such. But when I'm running around now, I say,

898
00:47:52,133 --> 00:47:55,053
Speaker 2: I'm just going to going, can this be profitable? It

899
00:47:55,133 --> 00:47:58,773
Speaker 2: just seems so massive an operation.

900
00:47:59,733 --> 00:48:02,773
Speaker 17: Yeah, but you've got to consider the long term. I mean, well,

901
00:48:02,853 --> 00:48:05,733
Speaker 17: by the time we finish the development, which is another

902
00:48:05,893 --> 00:48:09,533
Speaker 17: four to five years away, right, the volume of houses

903
00:48:09,573 --> 00:48:13,253
Speaker 17: that we're provided, the homes that we're providing to those families,

904
00:48:13,613 --> 00:48:17,093
Speaker 17: they're going to love it, and history will show that

905
00:48:17,133 --> 00:48:20,133
Speaker 17: you provide great facilities and people want to live there,

906
00:48:20,173 --> 00:48:22,973
Speaker 17: and therefore they're wanting to buy our houses. So that

907
00:48:23,013 --> 00:48:24,693
Speaker 17: the answer is, yes, it does make money.

908
00:48:24,693 --> 00:48:25,213
Speaker 8: It has to.

909
00:48:25,573 --> 00:48:28,293
Speaker 17: We're not a charity. We need to make money for

910
00:48:28,413 --> 00:48:33,333
Speaker 17: our shareholder. But you don't have to be your.

911
00:48:33,013 --> 00:48:34,213
Speaker 9: Term solace.

912
00:48:35,413 --> 00:48:38,093
Speaker 17: Developer to do it. You actually got a responsibility to

913
00:48:38,093 --> 00:48:39,133
Speaker 17: provide that legacy.

914
00:48:39,373 --> 00:48:41,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I guess that's kind of my point,

915
00:48:41,413 --> 00:48:43,493
Speaker 2: And it sort of it came to me when I

916
00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:45,493
Speaker 2: was running around your development, which is in a way

917
00:48:45,493 --> 00:48:47,613
Speaker 2: it's a development for me as well. I mean, I

918
00:48:47,653 --> 00:48:48,173
Speaker 2: love it.

919
00:48:48,253 --> 00:48:49,293
Speaker 17: I'm hoping you'll buy there.

920
00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:50,733
Speaker 1: Matte, Well, I.

921
00:48:50,733 --> 00:48:52,813
Speaker 2: Might just use your facilities and then go back home.

922
00:48:52,893 --> 00:48:57,853
Speaker 2: I'm pretty entrenched in the area. But I was just thinking,

923
00:48:58,053 --> 00:49:00,853
Speaker 2: you know, we don't really you're looking at that, and

924
00:49:00,893 --> 00:49:02,813
Speaker 2: there's a way you can look at it that just says, look,

925
00:49:02,853 --> 00:49:05,173
Speaker 2: this is this is quite creative. You know, this is

926
00:49:05,173 --> 00:49:08,653
Speaker 2: a creative thing. And I'm sure you work with people

927
00:49:08,733 --> 00:49:10,693
Speaker 2: and you and you can see that side of it.

928
00:49:10,693 --> 00:49:13,933
Speaker 2: I imagine that people are out there actually for want a

929
00:49:13,933 --> 00:49:16,053
Speaker 2: bit of want of a bitter word. They are artists

930
00:49:16,093 --> 00:49:17,653
Speaker 2: involved in something like this.

931
00:49:18,453 --> 00:49:22,813
Speaker 17: Yeah, you picked your partners on shared values, and so

932
00:49:23,453 --> 00:49:27,613
Speaker 17: we were very fortunate, particularly with our relationship with it

933
00:49:27,653 --> 00:49:32,093
Speaker 17: E we who very much supported the effective restoration of

934
00:49:32,093 --> 00:49:34,973
Speaker 17: what we're doing. But the facilities were providing you work

935
00:49:35,053 --> 00:49:37,733
Speaker 17: with I mean Phil Goff was the local local counselor

936
00:49:37,773 --> 00:49:39,573
Speaker 17: at the time, and he and I got along really

937
00:49:39,613 --> 00:49:45,133
Speaker 17: well to share that vision. And so you have you

938
00:49:45,253 --> 00:49:49,093
Speaker 17: get the energy from that coagulation of positive people that

939
00:49:49,173 --> 00:49:51,293
Speaker 17: want to see a great outcome for the development. And

940
00:49:51,373 --> 00:49:53,493
Speaker 17: we I mean three Kings is not the only one.

941
00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:56,212
Speaker 17: We've got a bunch of them. You look at the

942
00:49:56,253 --> 00:49:59,453
Speaker 17: regeneration of the of the East frame down in christ.

943
00:49:59,333 --> 00:50:00,893
Speaker 19: Church and it's a similar thing.

944
00:50:00,933 --> 00:50:05,693
Speaker 17: It's it's how do you provide really good vision capital

945
00:50:05,773 --> 00:50:08,893
Speaker 17: to allow that vision to be created, knowing that the

946
00:50:08,933 --> 00:50:10,533
Speaker 17: profits will be there at the end of the day.

947
00:50:11,333 --> 00:50:13,933
Speaker 2: Well, you know. I say good on you is because

948
00:50:14,533 --> 00:50:18,373
Speaker 2: I think you've turned a hole into viscus sound pretty cheesy.

949
00:50:18,613 --> 00:50:20,573
Speaker 2: Just to make it clear, I've got no skin in

950
00:50:20,613 --> 00:50:22,333
Speaker 2: the game except for I happened to walk my dog

951
00:50:22,413 --> 00:50:26,373
Speaker 2: around the area. But you've you've made a hole into

952
00:50:26,453 --> 00:50:29,413
Speaker 2: a community, you know, and and and that that is

953
00:50:29,413 --> 00:50:31,213
Speaker 2: something And I don't think there's anything wrong with making,

954
00:50:31,733 --> 00:50:33,933
Speaker 2: you know, profit from that. I think I think if

955
00:50:33,973 --> 00:50:36,013
Speaker 2: there isn't profit to be made and doing these kind

956
00:50:36,013 --> 00:50:37,973
Speaker 2: of things and doing them well, then I don't know

957
00:50:37,973 --> 00:50:40,213
Speaker 2: wheally where we're going. So the out.

958
00:50:40,013 --> 00:50:42,333
Speaker 17: Come from from me and my team is one that

959
00:50:42,373 --> 00:50:44,812
Speaker 17: we're really proud of what we've delivered. So I'm glad

960
00:50:44,893 --> 00:50:47,453
Speaker 17: you like it, and I'm glad hopefully a lot of

961
00:50:47,493 --> 00:50:51,253
Speaker 17: your listeners do. Will never appease everyone, No, but you

962
00:50:51,333 --> 00:50:51,732
Speaker 17: never can.

963
00:50:52,133 --> 00:50:54,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, and make sure you don't turn Big ten King

964
00:50:54,173 --> 00:50:57,133
Speaker 2: into an on leash dog walking situation, that's mate.

965
00:50:57,493 --> 00:50:59,973
Speaker 17: I think that's your role to convince the counsel on that, mate.

966
00:51:00,013 --> 00:51:03,053
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, will all right, thanks, there's Steve Evans,

967
00:51:03,853 --> 00:51:07,413
Speaker 2: Chief executive Fletcher Living. So what do you think a

968
00:51:07,453 --> 00:51:13,853
Speaker 2: creative visionary or a evil, greedy monopoly style Villain. Eight

969
00:51:13,973 --> 00:51:15,933
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the.

970
00:51:15,933 --> 00:51:21,293
Speaker 1: Number your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen Tyler Adams

971
00:51:21,373 --> 00:51:25,253
Speaker 1: afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk zed B.

972
00:51:27,893 --> 00:51:30,253
Speaker 2: You are listening to news Talk z B. It is

973
00:51:30,333 --> 00:51:33,453
Speaker 2: twenty one minutes past too. It's the Matt and Tyler Show.

974
00:51:33,493 --> 00:51:38,212
Speaker 2: This text is just great. Hey Matt, where is Tyler today?

975
00:51:38,253 --> 00:51:40,493
Speaker 2: It seems strange not hearing him agree with everything you

976
00:51:40,533 --> 00:51:43,133
Speaker 2: say and laugh at your silly comments. It's from John.

977
00:51:43,333 --> 00:51:46,172
Speaker 2: I agree, I miss Tyler, I miss Tyler laughing at

978
00:51:46,173 --> 00:51:51,253
Speaker 2: my jokes. You know, a big difference, says the Diane,

979
00:51:51,293 --> 00:51:54,613
Speaker 2: between the developers building places with sections in Wonica as

980
00:51:54,653 --> 00:51:58,093
Speaker 2: compared to the overheated dog boxes. Developers are building everywhere

981
00:51:58,093 --> 00:52:01,813
Speaker 2: in Auckland, no section, no natural shade, no wide opening windows,

982
00:52:01,893 --> 00:52:05,533
Speaker 2: and the most crooked, uneven driveways I've ever seen. Yeah,

983
00:52:05,933 --> 00:52:12,253
Speaker 2: but as uh we just heard before, there's I guess

984
00:52:14,093 --> 00:52:17,013
Speaker 2: you know, it depends what you want. But you know,

985
00:52:17,053 --> 00:52:19,692
Speaker 2: Stephen Evans, the chief executive Fletcher Living, was saying that

986
00:52:19,733 --> 00:52:22,853
Speaker 2: the development they're doing, which is in Auckland, if you

987
00:52:23,013 --> 00:52:26,893
Speaker 2: develop around a big park and you develop, you know,

988
00:52:27,253 --> 00:52:30,333
Speaker 2: around something beautiful like they have with big King Then

989
00:52:30,333 --> 00:52:33,893
Speaker 2: people don't necessarily and all these places that they're building,

990
00:52:34,053 --> 00:52:38,373
Speaker 2: you know, a reasonable sized townhouses, but you don't necessarily

991
00:52:38,373 --> 00:52:41,813
Speaker 2: need your own little backyard. In the same same way

992
00:52:41,893 --> 00:52:44,333
Speaker 2: if you've got a big, big park that's you know,

993
00:52:45,053 --> 00:52:47,933
Speaker 2: forty five seconds walk from from your house. But I

994
00:52:47,933 --> 00:52:51,213
Speaker 2: mean absolutely, you know, there's no there's no doubt that

995
00:52:51,253 --> 00:52:56,013
Speaker 2: there is different qualities of building development. I mean there

996
00:52:56,053 --> 00:53:00,573
Speaker 2: are absolutely scummy little areas around, horrible Ashvelt car parks

997
00:53:00,573 --> 00:53:08,213
Speaker 2: with you know, forty horrible narrow, little little wounding leakers.

998
00:53:08,373 --> 00:53:11,733
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. As a sharehold in Fletchers,

999
00:53:11,733 --> 00:53:13,812
Speaker 2: I can confirm that if Fletchers are making any money

1000
00:53:13,813 --> 00:53:17,053
Speaker 2: out of this, it's not coming to us. Matt I

1001
00:53:17,133 --> 00:53:19,213
Speaker 2: grew up in that quarry, so he grew up in

1002
00:53:19,213 --> 00:53:20,693
Speaker 2: the Ellen here, grew up in that quarry before they

1003
00:53:20,733 --> 00:53:22,613
Speaker 2: filled it in. During the fifties and sixties, it was,

1004
00:53:22,693 --> 00:53:25,333
Speaker 2: believe it or not, our playground. Zero health and safety

1005
00:53:25,333 --> 00:53:27,453
Speaker 2: concerns in those days. So great to see that Fletchers

1006
00:53:27,453 --> 00:53:30,733
Speaker 2: are doing something really positive with the whole. Yeah, I

1007
00:53:30,733 --> 00:53:32,933
Speaker 2: didn't actually know that the it was their hole to

1008
00:53:32,973 --> 00:53:35,133
Speaker 2: start with. I sort of had this romantic vision that

1009
00:53:35,173 --> 00:53:38,293
Speaker 2: they just drove past the whole, saw the hole and said, look,

1010
00:53:38,293 --> 00:53:40,133
Speaker 2: I might put a suburb in there. But I think

1011
00:53:40,173 --> 00:53:42,253
Speaker 2: it was their hole to clean up. I think the

1012
00:53:42,293 --> 00:53:45,413
Speaker 2: issue is that if property developers are our great risk takers,

1013
00:53:45,413 --> 00:53:48,333
Speaker 2: says this text, and creative types, then it doesn't say

1014
00:53:48,413 --> 00:53:50,853
Speaker 2: much about the options for taking risks and being creative

1015
00:53:50,893 --> 00:53:52,573
Speaker 2: and getting a reward out of it. In New Zealand.

1016
00:53:52,613 --> 00:53:54,493
Speaker 2: It's a good point. The only problems I have with

1017
00:53:54,533 --> 00:53:58,213
Speaker 2: property development because people need houses, is that we're using

1018
00:53:58,253 --> 00:54:00,573
Speaker 2: some of the great growing land in New Zealand, especially

1019
00:54:00,613 --> 00:54:04,252
Speaker 2: in South Auckland, for chucking up these massive subdivisions. When

1020
00:54:04,333 --> 00:54:06,493
Speaker 2: is that really necessary? And then you look at it,

1021
00:54:06,533 --> 00:54:09,533
Speaker 2: for example, what's happening with the Hamilton Southern Links. They

1022
00:54:09,573 --> 00:54:11,652
Speaker 2: want to start doing all this development, putting all these

1023
00:54:11,733 --> 00:54:14,093
Speaker 2: roads for these developments and all this kind of stuff,

1024
00:54:14,093 --> 00:54:17,173
Speaker 2: but ultimately nobody is living in Peacock, which is the

1025
00:54:17,253 --> 00:54:20,173
Speaker 2: last huge subdivision that we've built in Hamilton, so you know,

1026
00:54:20,293 --> 00:54:23,733
Speaker 2: maybe we need to start filling one up before you know,

1027
00:54:24,293 --> 00:54:28,813
Speaker 2: we grow another. One interesting point this textas says the

1028
00:54:28,813 --> 00:54:31,573
Speaker 2: blame should be laid fairly and squarely at councils for

1029
00:54:31,653 --> 00:54:34,772
Speaker 2: given consent to any developments. In the first place, there

1030
00:54:34,773 --> 00:54:37,413
Speaker 2: are houses that have already been built. Why can't people

1031
00:54:37,453 --> 00:54:40,213
Speaker 2: live in them? Yes, I mean, but there's more people,

1032
00:54:40,253 --> 00:54:43,853
Speaker 2: isn't there. There's more people, so you have to have

1033
00:54:43,933 --> 00:54:47,973
Speaker 2: more houses and they have to live somewhere, especially when

1034
00:54:48,933 --> 00:54:51,772
Speaker 2: for some reason most of the country wants to move

1035
00:54:52,133 --> 00:54:55,653
Speaker 2: to the area at the top of you know, basically

1036
00:54:56,253 --> 00:54:59,053
Speaker 2: well basically Auckland, you know, Hamilton Up. A lot of

1037
00:54:59,093 --> 00:55:01,413
Speaker 2: people seem to want to live there. I'm a small

1038
00:55:01,453 --> 00:55:07,773
Speaker 2: time developer. Alongside my day job, I live and breathe

1039
00:55:07,773 --> 00:55:10,653
Speaker 2: it because I'm I'm passionate. I'm passionate about creating wonderful homes.

1040
00:55:10,653 --> 00:55:12,733
Speaker 2: At the end of each project, if I make a profit,

1041
00:55:13,013 --> 00:55:16,172
Speaker 2: it would always work out to be diabotically horrible rate,

1042
00:55:16,613 --> 00:55:18,573
Speaker 2: our rate that I've put in, Not to mention the

1043
00:55:18,613 --> 00:55:22,053
Speaker 2: stress everyone against you, counsel, utilely, suppliers, neighbors, tax man,

1044
00:55:22,293 --> 00:55:25,213
Speaker 2: man on the street. It's a mug's game. Unfortunately I

1045
00:55:25,253 --> 00:55:28,613
Speaker 2: am a mug all right. What do you think of

1046
00:55:28,653 --> 00:55:34,613
Speaker 2: property developers, creative risk taking geniuses or greedy villains? Eight

1047
00:55:34,733 --> 00:55:35,453
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten.

1048
00:55:35,413 --> 00:55:42,853
Speaker 1: Eighty Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1049
00:55:42,933 --> 00:55:44,813
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1050
00:55:46,373 --> 00:55:50,453
Speaker 2: We're talking about property development, Hayden. You think there's some

1051
00:55:50,493 --> 00:55:52,213
Speaker 2: pluses and minuses in the area.

1052
00:55:53,013 --> 00:55:56,093
Speaker 19: Yeah, mate, yeah, the Three Kings development. My daughter played

1053
00:55:56,293 --> 00:56:00,133
Speaker 19: under fourteen for the Queen eighted before Academy. Yeah, I

1054
00:56:00,213 --> 00:56:02,533
Speaker 19: had a lot of games there. Yeah, that was great.

1055
00:56:02,573 --> 00:56:06,253
Speaker 19: They've almost got another snuff parking there and the fields

1056
00:56:06,293 --> 00:56:12,013
Speaker 19: study primo yeah well French, yeah, but it's for living

1057
00:56:12,053 --> 00:56:14,652
Speaker 19: in townhouses. I don't live in that development, but I

1058
00:56:14,693 --> 00:56:18,732
Speaker 19: live in one in Sandringham, yep. And it's While it's

1059
00:56:18,733 --> 00:56:21,373
Speaker 19: great living in a new house and all that, they're

1060
00:56:21,413 --> 00:56:26,453
Speaker 19: just designed so badly. Like the last the roofs painted

1061
00:56:26,653 --> 00:56:29,293
Speaker 19: the dark color, so your roof space is getting to

1062
00:56:29,573 --> 00:56:34,093
Speaker 19: sixty five degrees on a half sunny day and so

1063
00:56:34,133 --> 00:56:39,013
Speaker 19: we had to put inducted their conditioning upstairs. And it's

1064
00:56:39,053 --> 00:56:40,453
Speaker 19: on like nine months.

1065
00:56:40,133 --> 00:56:44,533
Speaker 2: Of the year, right, not checause being on.

1066
00:56:44,493 --> 00:56:48,813
Speaker 19: A mainterial you know Auckland route as well, Auckland Council

1067
00:56:49,213 --> 00:56:54,533
Speaker 19: don't ban exhaust breaks on trucks, right, so while you

1068
00:56:54,613 --> 00:57:00,133
Speaker 19: can't open the windows much, you're also I don't know

1069
00:57:00,133 --> 00:57:03,093
Speaker 19: if you want to, because there's fear noisy outside, you know.

1070
00:57:03,453 --> 00:57:07,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've lived in a townhouse before

1071
00:57:07,213 --> 00:57:09,133
Speaker 2: and there chimneys, aren't they so on?

1072
00:57:09,293 --> 00:57:09,413
Speaker 5: You know?

1073
00:57:09,413 --> 00:57:11,013
Speaker 2: If you've got is yours three storied?

1074
00:57:12,333 --> 00:57:13,173
Speaker 19: Just two stories?

1075
00:57:13,293 --> 00:57:13,373
Speaker 16: Right?

1076
00:57:13,493 --> 00:57:13,652
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1077
00:57:13,653 --> 00:57:15,813
Speaker 2: Because the three story one I love done that. You know,

1078
00:57:15,853 --> 00:57:19,573
Speaker 2: the kids had the top story, and there was so

1079
00:57:19,693 --> 00:57:22,173
Speaker 2: little we could do to cool that down in summer,

1080
00:57:22,493 --> 00:57:26,093
Speaker 2: you know, exactly as you said that the heat just

1081
00:57:26,213 --> 00:57:28,453
Speaker 2: rises to the top and you are spending a lot

1082
00:57:28,493 --> 00:57:31,653
Speaker 2: of money just trying to cool it down to be livable.

1083
00:57:31,813 --> 00:57:34,453
Speaker 2: Is there is there a solution to that? Is there

1084
00:57:34,453 --> 00:57:37,733
Speaker 2: a building solution to that? Is there a ventilation that

1085
00:57:37,733 --> 00:57:40,133
Speaker 2: can be put into these into a townhouse that would.

1086
00:57:39,893 --> 00:57:41,733
Speaker 9: Make that already?

1087
00:57:42,093 --> 00:57:42,293
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1088
00:57:42,453 --> 00:57:46,853
Speaker 20: Right, but that's only dragging here from your roof space. Yeah,

1089
00:57:47,373 --> 00:57:49,773
Speaker 20: if your roof space is hot, then it's not ideal.

1090
00:57:51,413 --> 00:57:53,653
Speaker 20: But the other point I wanted to raise is that

1091
00:57:54,653 --> 00:57:59,493
Speaker 20: not usually getting built for modern living with the car parking. Yeah,

1092
00:57:59,533 --> 00:58:02,293
Speaker 20: so in our garretts you could get a car in there,

1093
00:58:02,373 --> 00:58:06,093
Speaker 20: but you need a twy to equity turning circle. This

1094
00:58:06,213 --> 00:58:07,493
Speaker 20: is not enough for room to get a car.

1095
00:58:08,693 --> 00:58:11,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess these are all things. And

1096
00:58:12,173 --> 00:58:13,573
Speaker 2: you know, if you're living in the city, you know,

1097
00:58:13,653 --> 00:58:16,213
Speaker 2: you buy the house you can can afford. And that's

1098
00:58:16,253 --> 00:58:18,733
Speaker 2: the way the way we work. And so you know

1099
00:58:18,773 --> 00:58:20,613
Speaker 2: that in this in this three Kings development we were

1100
00:58:20,613 --> 00:58:23,133
Speaker 2: talking about. Your daughters played soccer at you must have

1101
00:58:24,853 --> 00:58:27,693
Speaker 2: you know those places do. Look they're pretty flash, aren't they,

1102
00:58:27,733 --> 00:58:31,653
Speaker 2: the ones across the front of the football field.

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00:58:32,213 --> 00:58:32,613
Speaker 9: Oh yeah?

1104
00:58:33,893 --> 00:58:37,133
Speaker 2: And they've got lots of parking, haven't they. So yeah,

1105
00:58:37,533 --> 00:58:40,613
Speaker 2: I mean essentially things if you're gonna I you're gonn

1106
00:58:40,613 --> 00:58:42,573
Speaker 2: if you're gonna move into a townhouse and a development,

1107
00:58:42,693 --> 00:58:46,253
Speaker 2: you know there there there is a lot to think about.

1108
00:58:46,333 --> 00:58:50,053
Speaker 2: And one hundred percent agree that ventilation thing. It's it's

1109
00:58:50,133 --> 00:58:52,053
Speaker 2: so hard to deal with. And you know Tyler who's

1110
00:58:52,093 --> 00:58:54,493
Speaker 2: not here today, he's when he first moved up here,

1111
00:58:54,493 --> 00:58:56,133
Speaker 2: he was in a situation like that where he just

1112
00:58:56,493 --> 00:58:58,533
Speaker 2: he was trying to invent things to try and you

1113
00:58:58,533 --> 00:59:01,173
Speaker 2: know he was buying things from bun Bunnings. He was

1114
00:59:01,173 --> 00:59:03,773
Speaker 2: buying piping and starch to try and solve it with

1115
00:59:03,813 --> 00:59:07,173
Speaker 2: absolutely no no lark. So it's definitely something to think about, Hayden,

1116
00:59:07,613 --> 00:59:10,533
Speaker 2: So good luck, good luck with that. But it is

1117
00:59:10,853 --> 00:59:13,293
Speaker 2: on the on the top side, very warm in winter

1118
00:59:14,173 --> 00:59:16,853
Speaker 2: it is, yeah, so there again, but nine months a

1119
00:59:16,893 --> 00:59:20,573
Speaker 2: year very difficult. Thank you so much for you, Cal Hayden.

1120
00:59:20,653 --> 00:59:26,173
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Okay, So what a fantastic chat

1121
00:59:26,213 --> 00:59:29,253
Speaker 2: that was. Look to sum up, Look, I think the

1122
00:59:29,253 --> 00:59:33,093
Speaker 2: cartoon Reddit view of property development is wrong. I think

1123
00:59:33,133 --> 00:59:35,853
Speaker 2: there are definitely property developers that aren't great, But I

1124
00:59:35,893 --> 00:59:39,253
Speaker 2: think there are really creative, beautiful communities being built. And

1125
00:59:39,333 --> 00:59:42,933
Speaker 2: if you know, if these people build great places for

1126
00:59:43,293 --> 00:59:45,973
Speaker 2: people to live and they make great communities, I have

1127
00:59:46,133 --> 00:59:50,133
Speaker 2: absolutely no problem with them making money. And I would

1128
00:59:50,173 --> 00:59:54,693
Speaker 2: say that Three Kings Development is one of those great places.

1129
00:59:55,413 --> 00:59:59,213
Speaker 2: All right after the news headlines with railing Ramsey, I

1130
00:59:59,253 --> 01:00:05,053
Speaker 2: want to get into hardcore fitness competitions because it seems

1131
01:00:05,093 --> 01:00:08,853
Speaker 2: to be a wave that is sweeping the nation, sweeping

1132
01:00:08,893 --> 01:00:11,413
Speaker 2: the world. Whilst we're talking about how lazy everyone is

1133
01:00:11,493 --> 01:00:14,653
Speaker 2: and how they're sitting watching Netflix and Termini online, there

1134
01:00:14,693 --> 01:00:16,653
Speaker 2: seems to be a lot of people that push back

1135
01:00:16,733 --> 01:00:21,973
Speaker 2: by just going incredibly hard. And in Auckland there's a

1136
01:00:22,013 --> 01:00:25,613
Speaker 2: massive high rocks tournament on at the moment. I guess

1137
01:00:25,613 --> 01:00:29,413
Speaker 2: you'd call it a tournament and what you do in

1138
01:00:29,493 --> 01:00:32,893
Speaker 2: high rocks. I'll explain next is it's quite something, It's

1139
01:00:32,973 --> 01:00:35,213
Speaker 2: quite challenging. So I just want to talk about these

1140
01:00:35,813 --> 01:00:40,213
Speaker 2: hardcore fitness challenges. Are you doing one? Do you think

1141
01:00:40,253 --> 01:00:43,013
Speaker 2: they're a good idea or are you too scared to

1142
01:00:43,053 --> 01:00:46,453
Speaker 2: get involved? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty It is

1143
01:00:46,893 --> 01:00:48,653
Speaker 2: two thirty two.

1144
01:00:49,213 --> 01:00:52,493
Speaker 1: You've talked said headlines with Blue Bubble Taxi.

1145
01:00:52,813 --> 01:00:55,813
Speaker 13: It's no trouble with the Blue Bubble. The Prime Minister's

1146
01:00:55,813 --> 01:00:58,453
Speaker 13: confirmed he's heading to the Bay of Islands next week,

1147
01:00:58,533 --> 01:01:02,133
Speaker 13: but we'll spend White Tangy Day Friday the sixth in Auckland.

1148
01:01:02,493 --> 01:01:05,333
Speaker 13: Chris Luxon will be in White Tangy on Wednesday and Thursday,

1149
01:01:05,653 --> 01:01:08,773
Speaker 13: before returning to Walkland for a community event on Friday.

1150
01:01:09,653 --> 01:01:12,773
Speaker 13: It's still uncertain where the Destiny Church leader Brian TARMICKI

1151
01:01:13,053 --> 01:01:16,813
Speaker 13: will go ahead with a march across Auckland's Harbor Bridge tomorrow.

1152
01:01:17,253 --> 01:01:20,293
Speaker 13: The Transport Agency and police have denied an application to

1153
01:01:20,333 --> 01:01:23,893
Speaker 13: cross the bridge from an umbrella group that includes Destiny Church.

1154
01:01:25,013 --> 01:01:27,853
Speaker 13: A large group of mourners, including gang members, are traveling

1155
01:01:27,893 --> 01:01:30,653
Speaker 13: from Auckland to Foxton. They're heading to the funeral of

1156
01:01:30,733 --> 01:01:34,373
Speaker 13: the son of one of the Headhunters gang's most senior leaders.

1157
01:01:34,693 --> 01:01:37,613
Speaker 13: Police say they don't expect any major disruption, but will

1158
01:01:37,653 --> 01:01:42,173
Speaker 13: take action over any illegal activity. Christ Church resident should

1159
01:01:42,213 --> 01:01:45,373
Speaker 13: prepare to live with the stent from Bromley's wastewater treatment

1160
01:01:45,453 --> 01:01:48,653
Speaker 13: plant for at least another week. The council says they're

1161
01:01:48,653 --> 01:01:52,413
Speaker 13: doing what they can, including deploying a jetboat to oxygenate

1162
01:01:52,453 --> 01:01:57,173
Speaker 13: the ponds. Wellington Phoenix at five hundred, The ten moments

1163
01:01:57,213 --> 01:01:59,773
Speaker 13: that made the club see the story at ends at

1164
01:01:59,773 --> 01:02:05,213
Speaker 13: Herald Premium. Now back to Matteath, Welcome back.

1165
01:02:05,253 --> 01:02:08,453
Speaker 2: You're listening to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams are the

1166
01:02:08,493 --> 01:02:11,173
Speaker 2: noons on news Talk zed B. Thank you so much, Rayleen.

1167
01:02:11,213 --> 01:02:14,653
Speaker 2: It is to thirty six and you don't notice that

1168
01:02:14,733 --> 01:02:16,613
Speaker 2: gap there because I was waiting for Tyler of sales words,

1169
01:02:16,613 --> 01:02:20,333
Speaker 2: but he's away, so I was left hanging there for

1170
01:02:20,373 --> 01:02:23,253
Speaker 2: a second. Now, I want to move on to a

1171
01:02:23,293 --> 01:02:28,693
Speaker 2: new new topic right now. Everywhere we look there seems

1172
01:02:28,693 --> 01:02:32,053
Speaker 2: to be a new hardcore fitness challenge being advertised. The

1173
01:02:32,213 --> 01:02:36,253
Speaker 2: received thinking these days is that we are becoming lazy

1174
01:02:36,253 --> 01:02:39,813
Speaker 2: pegs who sit at home, doom scrolling and ordering in

1175
01:02:39,933 --> 01:02:42,253
Speaker 2: terrible food to shove in our faces as we become

1176
01:02:42,493 --> 01:02:45,333
Speaker 2: increasingly mentally unwell, and yet there seems to be a

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01:02:45,413 --> 01:02:51,493
Speaker 2: huge movement towards doing extremely hard fitness things. Half in

1178
01:02:51,613 --> 01:02:54,853
Speaker 2: full marathons are selling out across the country and people

1179
01:02:54,893 --> 01:02:58,293
Speaker 2: play big dollars just to run, just to run with

1180
01:02:58,333 --> 01:03:01,133
Speaker 2: some other people. I know mates that are doing ultra

1181
01:03:01,213 --> 01:03:04,493
Speaker 2: marathons that they are becoming huge. Yesterday, my mate Dylan

1182
01:03:04,533 --> 01:03:06,493
Speaker 2: texts me and asked me if I wanted to sign

1183
01:03:06,533 --> 01:03:09,893
Speaker 2: up to run thirty five k through why Tomo Caves

1184
01:03:10,453 --> 01:03:13,693
Speaker 2: and when I looked at the website, it described the

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01:03:13,733 --> 01:03:19,453
Speaker 2: run as extremely hilly. And this week in Auckland there's

1186
01:03:19,613 --> 01:03:23,293
Speaker 2: High Rocks, which is the global indoor fitness race that

1187
01:03:24,693 --> 01:03:31,013
Speaker 2: is sweeping the globe. It's it's it's it's almost just

1188
01:03:31,053 --> 01:03:34,173
Speaker 2: to even think about it, as would would would damage people.

1189
01:03:34,213 --> 01:03:35,853
Speaker 2: I think. I think a lot of people would just

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01:03:36,053 --> 01:03:38,133
Speaker 2: read what you do in High Rocks and think I

1191
01:03:38,173 --> 01:03:41,213
Speaker 2: want absolutely nothing to do with it, and yet so

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01:03:41,333 --> 01:03:46,053
Speaker 2: many people are signing up. It's a huge thing. It's

1193
01:03:46,053 --> 01:03:49,613
Speaker 2: going all weekend. My lovely partner Tracy has been training

1194
01:03:49,653 --> 01:03:52,973
Speaker 2: for for for months and she's competing in High Rocks

1195
01:03:53,093 --> 01:03:56,733
Speaker 2: on Sunday. I believe I should know that it's it's

1196
01:03:56,773 --> 01:04:02,093
Speaker 2: a huge, huge phenomenon. And joining us we have Alice Evans,

1197
01:04:02,133 --> 01:04:07,493
Speaker 2: who's a High Rocks ambassador. Welcome to the show. Hey guy, Tito,

1198
01:04:09,613 --> 01:04:14,053
Speaker 2: now Ellice high Rocks. Can you explain exactly what it

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Speaker 2: is because it's running and then it's other exercises. Am

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01:04:17,613 --> 01:04:17,933
Speaker 2: all right?

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01:04:19,133 --> 01:04:19,373
Speaker 17: Yes?

1202
01:04:19,493 --> 01:04:19,853
Speaker 6: Correct?

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01:04:20,333 --> 01:04:24,013
Speaker 21: Yeah, so I know, as you said before, just by

1204
01:04:24,053 --> 01:04:28,613
Speaker 21: the sound of it, it sounds horrible or terrifying. Not everyone,

1205
01:04:28,813 --> 01:04:31,133
Speaker 21: it's literally for everyone, Like you have so many people

1206
01:04:31,133 --> 01:04:33,853
Speaker 21: here or different fitness levels or different abilities, like literally

1207
01:04:33,933 --> 01:04:36,253
Speaker 21: just giving it a go. So pretty much, you start

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01:04:36,253 --> 01:04:38,853
Speaker 21: with a one k run and then you go straight

1209
01:04:38,893 --> 01:04:41,333
Speaker 21: into like an exercise and there's like either a set

1210
01:04:41,373 --> 01:04:43,253
Speaker 21: amount of reps or a set amount of distance that

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01:04:43,333 --> 01:04:45,773
Speaker 21: you have to complete. So like the skieregg is the

1212
01:04:45,813 --> 01:04:47,773
Speaker 21: first one, and then you do another one k run,

1213
01:04:47,933 --> 01:04:49,653
Speaker 21: and then you go to the next exercise and then

1214
01:04:49,653 --> 01:04:52,533
Speaker 21: another one k run. So for example, you've got like

1215
01:04:52,733 --> 01:04:56,373
Speaker 21: eight one k efforts of running in between each exercise

1216
01:04:56,813 --> 01:04:59,813
Speaker 21: and you just do it for time. So obviously the

1217
01:04:59,853 --> 01:05:01,573
Speaker 21: goal is to try to do it as fast as

1218
01:05:01,573 --> 01:05:04,533
Speaker 21: you possibly can, but some people are just coming in

1219
01:05:04,573 --> 01:05:06,733
Speaker 21: here maybe just doing it for the first time or

1220
01:05:06,813 --> 01:05:08,213
Speaker 21: just wanting to do it for a bit of fun.

1221
01:05:08,813 --> 01:05:10,813
Speaker 21: And it's great because you can either do it by

1222
01:05:10,853 --> 01:05:13,893
Speaker 21: yourself as an individual, or you can pair up and

1223
01:05:13,933 --> 01:05:15,533
Speaker 21: do it like in the team, so you can either

1224
01:05:15,533 --> 01:05:19,373
Speaker 21: go like female doubles, men's doubles, or mixed doubles, or

1225
01:05:19,493 --> 01:05:21,533
Speaker 21: if you wanted to even split it up even more.

1226
01:05:21,733 --> 01:05:23,893
Speaker 21: We've then got a relay which is so much fun,

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01:05:24,173 --> 01:05:25,773
Speaker 21: and then you can do that with a team of four.

1228
01:05:25,853 --> 01:05:29,173
Speaker 21: So there's like lots of different categories, lots of different abilities,

1229
01:05:29,493 --> 01:05:33,453
Speaker 21: and yeah, it's actually just crazy how many people are

1230
01:05:33,493 --> 01:05:36,293
Speaker 21: here in Auckland right now. It's honestly amazing.

1231
01:05:37,373 --> 01:05:40,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've watched a little bit a bit of it

1232
01:05:40,533 --> 01:05:43,493
Speaker 2: because my partner's competing over the weekend and she's been

1233
01:05:43,493 --> 01:05:48,653
Speaker 2: training for it. And there's something something really beautiful about

1234
01:05:48,733 --> 01:05:51,853
Speaker 2: people getting together and putting that much effort. And because

1235
01:05:51,853 --> 01:05:55,013
Speaker 2: it is crazy when you read it out, so so

1236
01:05:55,213 --> 01:05:57,093
Speaker 2: you tell me if I'm getting it wrong here. So

1237
01:05:57,133 --> 01:06:01,413
Speaker 2: you might run one kilometer and then you ski skier

1238
01:06:02,453 --> 01:06:07,693
Speaker 2: skiig for one thousand meters and then then you run

1239
01:06:07,933 --> 01:06:10,013
Speaker 2: what's the what's the best way to describe a skig?

1240
01:06:10,293 --> 01:06:12,133
Speaker 2: That's when you're pulling those things down right.

1241
01:06:13,373 --> 01:06:15,413
Speaker 21: Yeah, So it's like just pint of like a concept

1242
01:06:15,413 --> 01:06:18,933
Speaker 21: to equipment. So you probas like grab handles that actually

1243
01:06:18,933 --> 01:06:21,093
Speaker 21: look like Shrek's ears. So I don't know, if you

1244
01:06:21,093 --> 01:06:23,733
Speaker 21: guys have a Shrik movie, think about his ears. The

1245
01:06:23,773 --> 01:06:26,533
Speaker 21: handles look like his ears, and then you just like

1246
01:06:26,613 --> 01:06:29,413
Speaker 21: have that downward force. It's like a bit of a

1247
01:06:29,493 --> 01:06:33,173
Speaker 21: hinge action in your hips. But the aim is just

1248
01:06:33,213 --> 01:06:36,133
Speaker 21: obviously accumulate your meters and once you hit a thousand

1249
01:06:36,213 --> 01:06:38,693
Speaker 21: meters you can then go off on your next run.

1250
01:06:39,013 --> 01:06:42,653
Speaker 2: And that's sort of presented up on a board, right,

1251
01:06:42,733 --> 01:06:45,813
Speaker 2: isn't it, so you you know, yeah, so you can

1252
01:06:45,853 --> 01:06:48,853
Speaker 2: see how people are competing. Yeah.

1253
01:06:48,973 --> 01:06:51,173
Speaker 21: Yeah, So each skig will have its own little monitor

1254
01:06:51,293 --> 01:06:53,093
Speaker 21: and once you can just like track your meters and

1255
01:06:53,093 --> 01:06:54,893
Speaker 21: once you hit a thousand, bom, you're off. You can

1256
01:06:54,893 --> 01:06:55,733
Speaker 21: go for your next run.

1257
01:06:56,173 --> 01:06:56,453
Speaker 17: Yeah.

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01:06:56,533 --> 01:06:59,093
Speaker 2: So then let's say so you've run a kilometer, then

1259
01:06:59,093 --> 01:07:01,693
Speaker 2: you've done a thousand meters on the skig and then

1260
01:07:01,933 --> 01:07:04,293
Speaker 2: I'm just reading this list here, and then you jump

1261
01:07:04,333 --> 01:07:08,173
Speaker 2: on a slid push and then and then another killer

1262
01:07:08,213 --> 01:07:10,733
Speaker 2: me they're running and then run and then a slid.

1263
01:07:10,453 --> 01:07:13,453
Speaker 1: Pole, sled pool, what's the then another run?

1264
01:07:16,053 --> 01:07:19,933
Speaker 21: Okay, So, for example, the sled push, as the name suggests,

1265
01:07:19,973 --> 01:07:22,453
Speaker 21: you're literally pushing the sled, so you can either push

1266
01:07:22,533 --> 01:07:25,853
Speaker 21: it with your arms extended or sometimes we call it

1267
01:07:25,893 --> 01:07:29,733
Speaker 21: like the scrum technique where you like wrap your arms

1268
01:07:29,733 --> 01:07:32,853
Speaker 21: around the poles and you just drive through your feet.

1269
01:07:33,093 --> 01:07:36,333
Speaker 21: So it's like four twelve and a half meter length

1270
01:07:36,893 --> 01:07:39,013
Speaker 21: and you just need to go up and back twice

1271
01:07:39,173 --> 01:07:42,693
Speaker 21: you complete fifty meters. And all the different age categories

1272
01:07:42,733 --> 01:07:45,893
Speaker 21: have different weights. So the men's pro, oh my god,

1273
01:07:45,933 --> 01:07:47,813
Speaker 21: I don't even know how they do it. It's like two

1274
01:07:47,933 --> 01:07:50,733
Speaker 21: hundred and five kilos that they have to push, and

1275
01:07:50,773 --> 01:07:54,533
Speaker 21: then the female pro and the men's open is then

1276
01:07:54,613 --> 01:07:56,813
Speaker 21: like one hundred and fifty, and then the females gets

1277
01:07:56,813 --> 01:07:59,573
Speaker 21: down to about one hundred one hundred and three kilos,

1278
01:07:59,853 --> 01:08:03,253
Speaker 21: so lots of different weight categories. But then once you

1279
01:08:03,253 --> 01:08:05,053
Speaker 21: do the sled push, yeah, you go for your run.

1280
01:08:05,133 --> 01:08:07,493
Speaker 21: Then you come into the sled pool, which you've got

1281
01:08:07,493 --> 01:08:10,013
Speaker 21: the same sledge, but it's usually a bit lighter. And

1282
01:08:10,053 --> 01:08:13,773
Speaker 21: then you've got two massive, like fifteen meters ropes attached

1283
01:08:13,813 --> 01:08:17,173
Speaker 21: to each end. And then listally other suggests you pull

1284
01:08:17,293 --> 01:08:19,693
Speaker 21: the sleds, so you can either walk back with the

1285
01:08:19,773 --> 01:08:22,053
Speaker 21: rope or you can go like hand over hand and

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Speaker 21: like tool the sled to you. It's brutal, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Alice, can you just wait for us. We'll just

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Speaker 2: go for an air break and we'll come back with

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Speaker 2: the rest the rest of these tasks. High Rocks, what

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Speaker 2: happens after the sled pool and one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty. Are you competing in the high Rocks this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Or are you competing in or training for another one

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Speaker 2: of these hardcore fitness tournaments that are happening across the country.

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Speaker 2: Will be back in just a second. It is two

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Speaker 2: forty three. You listen to Matt and Tyler on Newstalk

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Speaker 2: zb the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used Talk

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Speaker 1: zed B.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a quarter to three and you're listening to

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Speaker 2: news Talk z B and we're talking about hardcore fitness

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Speaker 2: crazes that are bucking the general received view that we're

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Speaker 2: getting lasier and lasier. Are you competing in one? Tell

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Speaker 2: us about the event you're in one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty or do you think it's a stupid, indulgent

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Speaker 2: waste of time and money?

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Speaker 18: Is this?

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Speaker 2: Texter here has just said before the break we were

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Speaker 2: talking to Ali s Evans High Rocks ambassador. So so

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Speaker 2: far in the Higher Rocks we've run one cometer this

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Speaker 2: is how it works. And then we've had the SkiErg

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Speaker 2: for one thousand meters and then we've run a kilometer

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Speaker 2: and then we've had the sled push, then another kilometer,

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Speaker 2: then the sled pull and then another kilometer and then yes,

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Speaker 2: burpie broad.

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Speaker 21: Yes, burpy bro eighty meters of them.

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Speaker 2: So what's the up and then what's a burpy broad jump?

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Speaker 21: Burpy broad jump? So pretty much you drop down to

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Speaker 21: the ground Chester ground for a baby and then you

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Speaker 21: can either jump or step and then you you need

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Speaker 21: to jump and propel yourself forward and you've got to

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Speaker 21: do eighty meters worth of those, right, Okay, I'm really

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Speaker 21: selling it here.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that they're hardcore nature of it. The

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Speaker 2: hard core nature of it is the attraction though, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it? It's a challenge and there's no point in

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Speaker 2: setting up a challenge. It's easy, you know, And and

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Speaker 2: and you can do it in the speed that you

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Speaker 2: you do it and as you say, you know. And

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Speaker 2: then after that, so after the burpy broad jumps, you

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Speaker 2: run another kilometer and then you row. You're on the

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Speaker 2: erg rows.

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Speaker 21: See you back on like the concept too machine, Yeah,

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Speaker 21: back on the row. Oh yeah, on the row thousand meters,

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Speaker 21: go for another run, and then you go into a

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Speaker 21: farmer's carry, so you're just holding like kettlebells by the

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Speaker 21: side of your body, and then you just go around

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Speaker 21: for like two hundred meters. Then you go for another

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Speaker 21: run and you've got sand bag lunges, so you have

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Speaker 21: to do one hundred meters of those with a sand

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Speaker 21: bag on your back, and then go into that final

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Speaker 21: one k run and then we have are you ready

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Speaker 21: for those? We have one hundred wallballs to finish off.

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Speaker 16: Done? Done?

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Speaker 2: What a waball?

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Speaker 9: So waball.

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Speaker 21: You're essentially holding this big ball in your arms, in

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Speaker 21: your hands and you squat down to a really good

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Speaker 21: depth and then as you stand up tall, you've got

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Speaker 21: two targets above you. So we have a female target

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Speaker 21: and then a men's target, and then you throw the

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Speaker 21: ball and it has to hit the target, and then

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Speaker 21: you catch it again and repeat one hundred times.

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Speaker 2: Wow. So yeah, you run a k. You've skied one

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Speaker 2: hundred meters, k slid, push, k slid, pool k, burfy

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Speaker 2: broad jumps, k road, one hundred meters, run a k,

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Speaker 2: farmer's carry, run a ka, sandbag lunches, run a k

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Speaker 2: and then you're halfeing medicine balls at a wall. I

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Speaker 2: mean those those medicine balls, how are they at the

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Speaker 2: end of all?

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Speaker 21: Let yeah, well, yeah, the way it's at about a

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Speaker 21: four kilo, six kilo and nine kilo, so it doesn't

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Speaker 21: really sound very heavy, right, but over one hundred reps

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Speaker 21: and once you've already done it all like eight ks

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Speaker 21: of running and all the other ex sides before, it

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Speaker 21: definitely accumulates with the fatigue. So but it's really good.

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Speaker 21: Vibes are up, the music there, DJ's there, and it

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Speaker 21: just shows how amazing it's growing. Because last year in

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Speaker 21: Auckland at Hieros, we had six thousand competitors and now

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Speaker 21: this year we have eleven thousand competitors. One year later,

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Speaker 21: it's almost doubled. And we went from a two three

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Speaker 21: day event. So now so you know, we went from

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Speaker 21: a two day event to now a four day event,

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Speaker 21: so it's literally doubled in size with awesome and the

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Speaker 21: spectator tickets as well have sold out because obviously you

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Speaker 21: can get people here to come and support you went

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Speaker 21: gu on and even just people wanting to come and

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Speaker 21: support that has sold out too, So it's just getting

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Speaker 21: bigger and bigger every year.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome to see people getting involved like that. When

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Speaker 2: you're doing it as a team, how does that work?

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Speaker 2: Does everyone have to do the run and everyone has

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Speaker 2: to do the the you know, the ergs and such.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, so the good thing about doing it either in

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Speaker 21: a doubles or in a relay is that, Okay, let's

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Speaker 21: talk about the doubles to start off with. So with

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Speaker 21: the doubles, yes, you need to run together. You can't

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Speaker 21: split up the runs, but you can split up the

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Speaker 21: exercises with like a U go I go format, So

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Speaker 21: one person will essentially work and then the other can

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Speaker 21: have a rest, and it's up to you and your

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Speaker 21: partner how you dictate how you want to split up

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Speaker 21: the exercises. So, for example, if you had one partner

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Speaker 21: that was a bit stronger or a bit more efficient

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Speaker 21: at one exercise and they could probably take on more

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Speaker 21: of those reps or more of that load and maybe

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Speaker 21: give you a bit of more of a rest, which is.

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Speaker 6: Kind of nice.

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Speaker 21: Like I guess that's where that interval stylar training can

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Speaker 21: come into play, Like you work and then you rest,

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Speaker 21: which is getting really popular at the moment.

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Speaker 7: But then I.

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Speaker 21: Guess with the relays where you've got four people, it's

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Speaker 21: a really nice like entry into hier rock. So if

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Speaker 21: you're quite scared about doing the whole thing, the relays

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Speaker 21: is a perfect way to start because you only need

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Speaker 21: to do two runs and two exercises and you can

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Speaker 21: obviously pick with your group of four like which ones

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Speaker 21: you want to do.

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Speaker 2: So you've obviously you know high Rocks Ambassady, you've been

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Speaker 2: involved in a lot of these competitions. I mean, first question,

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Speaker 2: what attracted you to it? And what do people tell

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Speaker 2: you was the irrationale for getting involved in it?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, well, obviously I'm based down in Melbourne as well,

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Speaker 21: and it came to Melbourne for us in September twenty

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Speaker 21: twenty three and it was just like a fun competition

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Speaker 21: and obviously if you want to try and push yourself

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Speaker 21: out of your comfort zone, and I think when you're

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Speaker 21: kind of into fitness. You are looking for that challenge

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Speaker 21: just to see like what you were capable of, and

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Speaker 21: it definitely looked appealing. There's exercises that we're quite familiar with.

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Speaker 21: Anyone can do it like they're primal movements like a

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Speaker 21: push pull lunch run. It doesn't really require that much technique,

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Speaker 21: so anyone can kind of come in and do it.

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Speaker 21: You just have to want to give it a go

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Speaker 21: and obviously have fun at the same time. And as

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Speaker 21: I said, there's no time caps, so you can take

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Speaker 21: as long as you want. And even if you want

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Speaker 21: to walk the runs, no one's also you to be like, no,

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Speaker 21: you have to run, you can walk. There's heaps of

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Speaker 21: people walking, as I said, heaps of people at different

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Speaker 21: fitness levels just coming to give it a go, and

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Speaker 21: they are so proud when they cross the finish line.

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Speaker 21: And I think a lot of people can see this

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Speaker 21: and feel quite intimidated. But sometimes you just need to

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Speaker 21: remove the expectation of having to hit a certain time.

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Speaker 21: I think the real competition and the real win is

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Speaker 21: just completing it and crossing the finish line another what

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Speaker 21: your time is, and just being proud that you push

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Speaker 21: yourself out of your comfort zone and you tried something new.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Well, thank you so much for talking to us.

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Speaker 2: There's Alice Evans, high Rocks Embassador. Good luck for the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Eleven thousand, so much, eleven thousand people competings. It's quite spectacular.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for talking to us. Now, yeah, so

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Speaker 2: what do you reckon? You know, are you part of

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Speaker 2: the high Rocks thing? Are you competing or another hardcore

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01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:03,013
Speaker 2: fitness craze or do you think it's stupid like a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are texting the sixth is and the

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Speaker 2: point of this is, well, because it's hard and because

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Speaker 2: we want to challenge ourselves in life. I guess that

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Speaker 2: would be the point of it. I mean, you could

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Speaker 2: argue there's no point in any kind of exercise and

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Speaker 2: you might as well just sit on your ass and

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01:16:20,452 --> 01:16:22,492
Speaker 2: stuff you face. But you could say, what's the point

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Speaker 2: of sitting on your ass and stuff on your face?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can ask what's the point of any anything? Really?

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Speaker 2: Seventy percent this text is pretty funny, though. Seventy percent

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Speaker 2: of manual workers listening right now are scratching their heads

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Speaker 2: and going why it's such a good point. If you've

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Speaker 2: been working as a landscaper all day. You're probably I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I could be wrong, but it seems unlikely

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Speaker 2: to me you'd be signing up for high Rocks in

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Speaker 2: the weekend. So eight hundred eighty ten eighty, what crazy

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Speaker 2: hardcore fitness activities are you getting in two it is

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Speaker 2: seven minutes to three. The number is eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News

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Speaker 1: Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: Hello, you're news Talk ZEDV. It is four minutes to

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Speaker 2: three o'clock. But a bunch of texts coming through on

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Speaker 2: this Higher Rocks and these hardcore fitness tournaments out there,

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Speaker 2: spiras your toxic positivity, waste of energy, waste of lives?

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Speaker 2: Is this Texa? This one says can confirm I'm a

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Speaker 2: landscaper and I will not be doing that. I will

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Speaker 2: be drinking bears this weekend, and this one says I'm

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Speaker 2: a drain layer. Probably won't pay money to do that.

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Speaker 2: I plan to order in get Stone and watch Night

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Speaker 2: of the Seven Kingdoms, great show. Do you agree with

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Speaker 2: these textas? Waite? Hundred and eighty ten eighty will be

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Speaker 2: back in just a few minutes with more talk about

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Speaker 2: hardcore sporting events, and after three thirty we're joined by

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Speaker 2: Stephen Thinker, one of the world's most important thinkers. Stephen

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Speaker 2: Pinker at three thirty listening to new STOKSIB.

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Speaker 1: Your new homes are Instateful. It's a teening talk. He

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Speaker 1: It's Mattie and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back to the show. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 2: us today. The number is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: Join the conversation. We've got a text number nine two

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Speaker 2: nine two. Tyler is away, but I will be joined

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Speaker 2: after three point thirty by Stephen Pinker live from Boston.

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Speaker 2: He is one of the world's most influential public intellectuals,

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Speaker 2: a cognitive psychologist, linguist, and best selling author, and he

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Speaker 2: enjoys a He joins us live from Boston ahead of

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Speaker 2: appearing with me on stage at the Bruce Mason Center

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Speaker 2: in Takapuna this coming Monday. There are a few tickets

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Speaker 2: still available at thinkable dot Events. I am very excited

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Speaker 2: to be talking to this man. I've been a big

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Speaker 2: fan for a very very long time, since at least

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen with his book Enlightenment Now. But he's a

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01:19:03,133 --> 01:19:06,052
Speaker 2: great man. He's got great thoughts on freedom of speech,

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01:19:06,452 --> 01:19:08,612
Speaker 2: and you know, the true data about the world and

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01:19:08,612 --> 01:19:14,093
Speaker 2: how things are actually getting better despite the winging naysayers

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01:19:14,732 --> 01:19:18,452
Speaker 2: and the terrifying headlines. But right now we're talking about

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01:19:18,492 --> 01:19:23,452
Speaker 2: the hardcore exercise competition craze that's sweeping the nation and

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01:19:23,492 --> 01:19:27,732
Speaker 2: the globe, and that's highlighted by eleven thousand people competing

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01:19:27,772 --> 01:19:30,452
Speaker 2: in high Rocks this weekend in Auckland. And if you

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01:19:30,492 --> 01:19:33,133
Speaker 2: don't know what high rocks was, we just got it

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01:19:33,293 --> 01:19:38,013
Speaker 2: outlined by Alis, the ambassador for high Rocks. So you

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Speaker 2: run a kay, you skied for a thousand meters, you

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01:19:40,412 --> 01:19:42,572
Speaker 2: run another K, then you sled, push another cave, then

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01:19:42,612 --> 01:19:45,133
Speaker 2: you slid poul another cave, then you burpie broad jump,

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01:19:45,253 --> 01:19:47,732
Speaker 2: then another k, you row for a thousand meters another cave,

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01:19:47,812 --> 01:19:52,732
Speaker 2: farmers carries another case, sandbag lunges another k and wall

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01:19:52,853 --> 01:19:56,572
Speaker 2: balls to wallballs to finish. But this isn't the only

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01:19:57,013 --> 01:20:00,892
Speaker 2: hardcore fitness craze that's hitting the country. More and more

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Speaker 2: of them. For example, you know, running these these trail runs,

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01:20:05,253 --> 01:20:09,612
Speaker 2: there's everyone's running a marathon. These days, half marathons are

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01:20:09,612 --> 01:20:13,053
Speaker 2: selling out across the country, ultra marathons. It looks like

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Speaker 2: people are bucking the trend of laziness that we're told.

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01:20:17,133 --> 01:20:18,812
Speaker 2: We're told we're all being lazy. But there's a cerain

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01:20:18,812 --> 01:20:20,492
Speaker 2: amount of people that are bucking the trend by going

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Speaker 2: out and doing extremely hard core fitness things. Are you

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Speaker 2: one of them? My way under at eighty ten to eighty,

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01:20:26,333 --> 01:20:28,612
Speaker 2: or do you think it's a load of bollocks and

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01:20:28,652 --> 01:20:30,652
Speaker 2: a waste of time as a bunch of textas seems

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01:20:30,652 --> 01:20:33,253
Speaker 2: to think this Texas sys disgusted You read out that

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01:20:33,253 --> 01:20:37,052
Speaker 2: text about the disgusting drain layer. That's two disgustings already disgusted.

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01:20:37,093 --> 01:20:39,093
Speaker 2: You read out that text about the disgusting drain layer

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01:20:39,133 --> 01:20:42,293
Speaker 2: watching a show and getting stoned. As he said, in

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01:20:42,293 --> 01:20:44,772
Speaker 2: case you didn't know, mister Heath, drugs are illegal. Don't

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01:20:44,812 --> 01:20:47,293
Speaker 2: read text like that out again. Well, you don't know.

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01:20:47,692 --> 01:20:50,652
Speaker 2: He might be getting stoned on medical marijuana. You don't know, Texter.

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Speaker 2: And in his defense, he is planning to watch that

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Speaker 2: show Night of the Seven Kingdoms, which is on Neon.

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01:20:56,652 --> 01:20:59,412
Speaker 2: It's an HBO show. It's in the world of Game

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Speaker 2: of Thrones, and it is. It's a really it's a

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01:21:02,933 --> 01:21:05,372
Speaker 2: really cool show if you haven't watched yet. There's two

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01:21:05,372 --> 01:21:08,972
Speaker 2: episodes out so far, and there's another one out on Monday.

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Speaker 2: It's like Game of Thrones simplify down to a few characters.

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01:21:12,812 --> 01:21:15,333
Speaker 2: I really loved it. There's a few pretty intensely gross

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01:21:15,372 --> 01:21:17,572
Speaker 2: moments in it, but you expect that with Game of Thrones.

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01:21:18,133 --> 01:21:20,293
Speaker 2: The stick says, why would you celebrate people running around

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01:21:20,333 --> 01:21:24,452
Speaker 2: doing nothing and making nothing? It's pathetic? Is it the

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01:21:24,452 --> 01:21:29,612
Speaker 2: most cynical, evil way to look at people getting together

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01:21:29,853 --> 01:21:34,132
Speaker 2: to better themselves? Could you? I mean, that's a lazy

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01:21:34,173 --> 01:21:36,053
Speaker 2: person that sits on the couch and just orders and

1548
01:21:36,173 --> 01:21:38,572
Speaker 2: uber eats and shoves food into their face, isn't it?

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01:21:38,572 --> 01:21:41,213
Speaker 2: And Doom scrolls, why would you celebrate people running around

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01:21:41,253 --> 01:21:44,412
Speaker 2: doing nothing and making nothing? It's pathetic. Running around doing

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01:21:44,452 --> 01:21:48,133
Speaker 2: stuff with other people is what we're here for. It's

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01:21:47,772 --> 01:21:52,013
Speaker 2: it's uplifting, it's doing something with your life. How long

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01:21:52,053 --> 01:21:54,372
Speaker 2: until Matt mentions he ran a marathon last year? I

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01:21:54,412 --> 01:21:58,052
Speaker 2: won't mention that marathon I ran last year, I promise shares.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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01:22:00,333 --> 01:22:03,093
Speaker 6: Good afternoon, Marison Tyler, how you guys.

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01:22:02,812 --> 01:22:06,412
Speaker 2: Doing It's just Matt today shares Tyler's am seeing a wedding.

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01:22:06,492 --> 01:22:07,173
Speaker 2: So I'm solo.

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01:22:07,372 --> 01:22:11,052
Speaker 6: Oh cool, Well I had to call in and after

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01:22:11,093 --> 01:22:16,532
Speaker 6: all those negative texts. Yeah, so I'm one of those

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Speaker 6: eleven thousand taking pot in higher Ox this weekend.

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01:22:19,492 --> 01:22:21,932
Speaker 2: Oh cut on you? How awesome?

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01:22:22,053 --> 01:22:24,892
Speaker 6: Yeah? So super excited, super nervous.

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Speaker 2: So are you competing in a group of peer or

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01:22:28,772 --> 01:22:30,012
Speaker 2: how are you doing it? Chairs?

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Speaker 6: I am going in for my first ever race in

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01:22:34,253 --> 01:22:39,572
Speaker 6: a team so doubles ladies, and yeah, it's going to

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01:22:39,612 --> 01:22:42,053
Speaker 6: be awesome. It's going to be better than sitting at

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01:22:42,053 --> 01:22:44,612
Speaker 6: home on the couch.

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Speaker 2: Why are you just running around doing nothing and making

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01:22:48,133 --> 01:22:49,452
Speaker 2: nothing cheers?

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Speaker 6: Because it's so fun. Also, I think that our bodies

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01:22:55,732 --> 01:23:00,693
Speaker 6: are absolutely incredible and that we shouldn't view exercises punishments.

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01:23:00,853 --> 01:23:04,772
Speaker 6: It's a celebration of how amazing our bodies are. Why

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01:23:04,853 --> 01:23:07,692
Speaker 6: is that something bad? I think it's awesome.

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01:23:07,973 --> 01:23:08,133
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In turning fitness into a competition and a challenge keeps

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Speaker 2: it interesting, right, It's it's a reason to go there,

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01:23:16,133 --> 01:23:17,973
Speaker 2: and it's a reason to bond with other people. Am

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Speaker 2: I right?

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Speaker 6: Chairs, Absolutely, it's an awesome community of people. No one's

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01:23:24,013 --> 01:23:26,812
Speaker 6: there to judge you. Everyone's there to just have fun

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01:23:26,853 --> 01:23:27,572
Speaker 6: and give it a go.

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01:23:28,933 --> 01:23:31,532
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, just looking at it, you know we've

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01:23:31,572 --> 01:23:35,133
Speaker 2: outlined and detail all the parts to it. Well, what

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01:23:35,173 --> 01:23:38,213
Speaker 2: are your what are your your your strengths and what

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01:23:38,253 --> 01:23:38,972
Speaker 2: are your weaknesses?

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01:23:39,013 --> 01:23:43,812
Speaker 6: Shares well, I do need to highlight I'm not a

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01:23:43,933 --> 01:23:50,452
Speaker 6: super fit athlete. I'm your average midlife mum working full time.

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Speaker 6: I do try and exercise and train as much as

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Speaker 6: I can, so I can say the sled pool is

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01:23:57,253 --> 01:24:00,733
Speaker 6: pretty challenging for me, more challenging.

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01:24:00,412 --> 01:24:03,053
Speaker 2: More challenging the slid than the sled push.

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Speaker 6: Yes, definitely the push. You know you've got strong legs, right,

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01:24:08,213 --> 01:24:11,972
Speaker 6: The pool is upper body, arms and leagues. It's it's

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Speaker 6: it's a challenge as well as farmers carry your group challenge.

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01:24:18,372 --> 01:24:21,572
Speaker 6: How much groceries can you carry inside in one go?

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01:24:23,293 --> 01:24:25,973
Speaker 6: You got to carry in cages for the ladies in

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Speaker 6: each hand.

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Speaker 2: You've got to carry all of them. That's that's my rule.

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01:24:29,293 --> 01:24:32,173
Speaker 2: That and it's annoyed my kids and my partners for

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01:24:32,173 --> 01:24:33,652
Speaker 2: a very long time that I'll try. I have to.

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01:24:33,772 --> 01:24:37,452
Speaker 2: I believe that you're not You shouldn't buy more than

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01:24:37,492 --> 01:24:39,053
Speaker 2: you can carry in by putting all the bags on,

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01:24:39,093 --> 01:24:40,372
Speaker 2: all your arms out of the back of your car

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Speaker 2: when you get home.

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Speaker 6: No second trips back to the car.

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Speaker 2: And many great and so when you're training for something

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Speaker 2: like this, because you can't be doing the whole thing

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01:24:54,372 --> 01:24:56,133
Speaker 2: very often, can you. I mean, how many times have

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01:24:56,213 --> 01:24:59,173
Speaker 2: you gone through the whole the whole rundown, all eight

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01:24:59,372 --> 01:25:01,012
Speaker 2: exercises and the eight ks.

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01:25:02,692 --> 01:25:06,092
Speaker 6: Well, I've only ever run five keys to be honest.

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01:25:06,692 --> 01:25:09,133
Speaker 6: You know, good Old Park runs on Saturday day mornings.

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Speaker 6: But I've done all eight exercises at the gym, and

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01:25:13,213 --> 01:25:17,213
Speaker 6: we have done a couple of simulation runs of the gym,

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01:25:17,293 --> 01:25:20,173
Speaker 6: so you get familiar with the workhouse, then you'll be

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01:25:20,253 --> 01:25:23,333
Speaker 6: surprised at what you can actually do. And it's such

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01:25:23,333 --> 01:25:26,213
Speaker 6: a reward at the end of a simulation when you go, wow,

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Speaker 6: I did that, so I can do this. Well, yeah,

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01:25:30,093 --> 01:25:30,972
Speaker 6: it's going to be awesome.

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Speaker 2: Good on you. So what day are you doing it?

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Speaker 6: Sunday?

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Speaker 2: I might see you there. My partner's competing on Sunday

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Speaker 2: as well.

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01:25:39,053 --> 01:25:40,492
Speaker 6: Yeah, hopefully you see you there.

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Speaker 2: Oh brilliant, Well, good luck shaes If I don't good

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01:25:42,933 --> 01:25:45,572
Speaker 2: on you. Thanks, thank you for your call. Eighte hundred

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01:25:46,652 --> 01:25:48,293
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number. What do you think

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01:25:48,293 --> 01:25:52,892
Speaker 2: about these hardcore fitness challenges? Do you do you admire

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01:25:52,893 --> 01:25:55,693
Speaker 2: people that do them? Are you involved in them yourself?

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01:25:56,093 --> 01:25:58,213
Speaker 2: Or do you think they are as this Texas said,

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01:25:58,452 --> 01:26:02,133
Speaker 2: just people running around doing nothing and making nothing dot

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01:26:02,173 --> 01:26:05,612
Speaker 2: dot dot pathetic. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighties the numbers,

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Speaker 2: I said. And it is fourteen minutes three on news

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Speaker 2: Talk ZEDB used talk z EDB. It is three seventeen.

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01:26:13,572 --> 01:26:15,452
Speaker 2: You listen to the Matt and Tyler show on News

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01:26:15,492 --> 01:26:20,812
Speaker 2: Talk z B. We're talking about hardcore exercise competition crazes

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01:26:20,853 --> 01:26:23,932
Speaker 2: like high Rocks. Eleven thousand people doing this weekend. It

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01:26:24,133 --> 01:26:29,452
Speaker 2: is an intense competition. Eight k's and eight intense exercises

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01:26:30,253 --> 01:26:32,612
Speaker 2: are put together. The text is just about to watch

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01:26:32,652 --> 01:26:35,013
Speaker 2: live at Phoenix The High Rocks Elite woman and men

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01:26:35,133 --> 01:26:39,333
Speaker 2: race on YouTube. Fantastic hybrid event. Love it. My thirty

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01:26:39,412 --> 01:26:41,772
Speaker 2: year old granddaughter has three kids nine to five four

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01:26:41,893 --> 01:26:44,132
Speaker 2: and she has done High Rocks in Melbourne and Brisbane.

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01:26:44,173 --> 01:26:47,133
Speaker 2: Loved it. She trained hard but absolutely loved it. Lives

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01:26:47,173 --> 01:26:50,452
Speaker 2: in Southport, GC. Trained with other girls and guys at

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01:26:50,492 --> 01:26:54,652
Speaker 2: the gym Super Positive event High Guys great sport event,

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01:26:54,692 --> 01:26:58,492
Speaker 2: but hopefully the participants have signed an acc waiver hauh,

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01:26:58,772 --> 01:27:01,093
Speaker 2: and he doesn't want to pay for any injuries that

1651
01:27:01,173 --> 01:27:03,892
Speaker 2: come up. Hey, guys, those high rocks athletes are one

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01:27:03,893 --> 01:27:06,852
Speaker 2: thousand times fitter than any drain layer or a landscape guy.

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01:27:07,133 --> 01:27:10,652
Speaker 2: Will shots fired. Anyone that thinks otherwise has never tried it.

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01:27:10,772 --> 01:27:13,572
Speaker 2: I've done both. Believe me, there's no comparison to his

1655
01:27:13,652 --> 01:27:18,572
Speaker 2: pat But I think what the landscaper was trying to

1656
01:27:18,612 --> 01:27:24,933
Speaker 2: say was after a hard week of physical labor, maybe

1657
01:27:25,452 --> 01:27:29,293
Speaker 2: doing high rocks in the weekend isn't necessarily, you know,

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01:27:29,372 --> 01:27:32,333
Speaker 2: as enticing as say someone like me that sits on

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01:27:32,333 --> 01:27:33,972
Speaker 2: his ars and talks into a microphone. You know, I've

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01:27:33,973 --> 01:27:35,812
Speaker 2: got a little bit more in the tank at the

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01:27:35,853 --> 01:27:38,333
Speaker 2: end of the week for physical activity. Ben, Welcome to

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01:27:38,333 --> 01:27:38,652
Speaker 2: the show.

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01:27:39,772 --> 01:27:41,892
Speaker 19: Hey Matt, how are you going, good man?

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01:27:42,053 --> 01:27:43,772
Speaker 2: What do you think about this kind of stuff?

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01:27:45,652 --> 01:27:47,213
Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean I've done a few events like them

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01:27:47,213 --> 01:27:49,692
Speaker 22: in the past. These days, it's not really my cup

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01:27:49,732 --> 01:27:52,213
Speaker 22: of tea, and I'll admit I'm a massive cynic about

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01:27:52,333 --> 01:27:55,412
Speaker 22: some things, but I think any activity that gets people

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01:27:55,412 --> 01:27:58,572
Speaker 22: out socializing, exercising is a good thing. You know, there

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01:27:58,652 --> 01:28:01,333
Speaker 22: might be the trigger to change their lifestyle.

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01:28:00,893 --> 01:28:01,333
Speaker 9: For the better.

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01:28:01,372 --> 01:28:04,093
Speaker 22: They might not do another event, but changes out. I'll

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01:28:04,093 --> 01:28:05,572
Speaker 22: probably go on and you know.

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01:28:05,732 --> 01:28:05,933
Speaker 2: Make it.

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01:28:05,973 --> 01:28:08,812
Speaker 22: They're small changes, and I think it can only be positive.

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01:28:08,853 --> 01:28:11,892
Speaker 2: Really, why do you think it makes people so angry?

1677
01:28:11,933 --> 01:28:14,972
Speaker 2: There's so many people that are angry about people people

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01:28:15,053 --> 01:28:15,492
Speaker 2: doing it.

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01:28:16,812 --> 01:28:19,173
Speaker 22: I just think I just think it's a real kiwi thing.

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01:28:19,213 --> 01:28:22,053
Speaker 22: And I find myself like mustering things like that too,

1681
01:28:22,133 --> 01:28:24,972
Speaker 22: especially when I see it on social media. Like I'm

1682
01:28:25,013 --> 01:28:27,452
Speaker 22: just not a not a fan of social media at all,

1683
01:28:27,492 --> 01:28:29,812
Speaker 22: but I get sucked into it. Like everyone yes, and

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01:28:29,893 --> 01:28:32,293
Speaker 22: it's just the rage beta thing and just all that.

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01:28:32,572 --> 01:28:35,333
Speaker 22: You start reading the comments, it's just felth and you'll

1686
01:28:35,372 --> 01:28:37,812
Speaker 22: probably go along. There'll be no negativity there. Everybody don't

1687
01:28:37,853 --> 01:28:41,093
Speaker 22: smile on their face, like maybe after they've spired from

1688
01:28:41,093 --> 01:28:43,692
Speaker 22: the exercise, but you know everyone's going to be pumped

1689
01:28:43,732 --> 01:28:44,612
Speaker 22: up any good time.

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01:28:45,452 --> 01:28:46,573
Speaker 9: I don't see the problem.

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01:28:46,293 --> 01:28:50,372
Speaker 2: With it, Yeah, but there is something about I guess

1692
01:28:50,652 --> 01:28:53,133
Speaker 2: when you see someone getting together and doing something and

1693
01:28:53,213 --> 01:28:55,692
Speaker 2: making themselves, you know, you know, trying something to be

1694
01:28:55,692 --> 01:28:57,612
Speaker 2: better and being positive and posting about it, there is

1695
01:28:57,732 --> 01:29:00,612
Speaker 2: part of us that's an evil part of us that

1696
01:29:00,732 --> 01:29:02,772
Speaker 2: just wants to knock them down, you know, bring them

1697
01:29:02,772 --> 01:29:03,812
Speaker 2: down to our level soon.

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01:29:04,173 --> 01:29:06,933
Speaker 22: Yeah, Chairman Nature.

1699
01:29:06,692 --> 01:29:09,173
Speaker 2: Maybe it's it's the worst demon. Thank you so much

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01:29:09,173 --> 01:29:14,133
Speaker 2: for your call. Ben. You're listening to news Talk z B.

1701
01:29:14,372 --> 01:29:20,932
Speaker 2: We're talking about high Rocks hardcore fitness competitions. This Texas

1702
01:29:20,973 --> 01:29:25,213
Speaker 2: says Hi, Matt As the lady you just had on

1703
01:29:25,372 --> 01:29:29,932
Speaker 2: said there's no judgment, so you're going to struggle being there. John, Oh,

1704
01:29:29,973 --> 01:29:33,172
Speaker 2: come on, John, I don't judge people. I'm not a judger.

1705
01:29:33,293 --> 01:29:35,133
Speaker 2: I just arrived home and heard the volume on low,

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01:29:35,253 --> 01:29:39,253
Speaker 2: so I have to enjoy whatever. Nico. Nico was just saying,

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Speaker 2: why don't you get another job? Matt, just text you,

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01:29:41,133 --> 01:29:44,293
Speaker 2: why don't you get another job? Okay, I will, I

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01:29:44,333 --> 01:29:47,013
Speaker 2: will get another job. Nico, thanks for your text. I'll

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01:29:47,053 --> 01:29:50,372
Speaker 2: go out and get get another job. Hi, Matt, my

1711
01:29:50,412 --> 01:29:52,812
Speaker 2: brother is seventy six and has just competed in High

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01:29:52,893 --> 01:29:55,452
Speaker 2: Rocks Hong Kong. No other competitors his age, but is

1713
01:29:55,532 --> 01:29:58,972
Speaker 2: now off to the World Champs in Sweden. He does

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01:29:59,013 --> 01:30:02,093
Speaker 2: it because he can and loves it. There, Nico, that's

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01:30:02,133 --> 01:30:05,133
Speaker 2: a good person. That's a good person. A seventy six

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01:30:05,173 --> 01:30:08,012
Speaker 2: year old competing in the Hong Kong High Rocks. You're

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01:30:08,133 --> 01:30:11,772
Speaker 2: just if I describe you, I mentioned you're one of

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01:30:11,772 --> 01:30:15,532
Speaker 2: these people that's sitting at home shoving your face, ordering

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01:30:15,652 --> 01:30:21,412
Speaker 2: in food and doom scrolling and putting negative comments on

1720
01:30:21,412 --> 01:30:23,692
Speaker 2: people that do positive things like High Rocks. We'll be

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01:30:23,732 --> 01:30:25,652
Speaker 2: back in just a minute. The number is eight hundred

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01:30:25,812 --> 01:30:27,133
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty

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01:30:34,492 --> 01:30:36,372
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Matt, whatever happened to going to the pub at four

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01:30:39,253 --> 01:30:43,053
Speaker 2: pm on Friday afternoon and just going ah, So, there's

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01:30:43,053 --> 01:30:45,932
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. High

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01:30:46,013 --> 01:30:48,412
Speaker 2: Rocks is not exactly hard courses. It text It sounds

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01:30:48,492 --> 01:30:51,293
Speaker 2: like another version of the nineteen seventies circuit training but

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01:30:51,372 --> 01:30:56,133
Speaker 2: modernized to suit gin zz. Yeah, it's pretty hard core though.

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01:30:56,612 --> 01:31:00,133
Speaker 2: I mean eight k and eight different intense exercise. I

1732
01:31:00,133 --> 01:31:04,292
Speaker 2: mean just rowing one thousand meters on a rowing machine

1733
01:31:04,692 --> 01:31:08,133
Speaker 2: is pretty hardcore for most people. Murray, welcome to the show.

1734
01:31:08,532 --> 01:31:08,972
Speaker 2: Your thoughts.

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01:31:09,572 --> 01:31:10,093
Speaker 5: How's it going?

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01:31:10,253 --> 01:31:10,652
Speaker 2: Good thing?

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01:31:10,732 --> 01:31:15,213
Speaker 5: Yeah, so my wife and I actually own a gym.

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01:31:15,213 --> 01:31:16,213
Speaker 5: Can I mention what it is?

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01:31:16,412 --> 01:31:16,652
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1740
01:31:16,772 --> 01:31:17,293
Speaker 2: Go for it?

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01:31:17,772 --> 01:31:20,452
Speaker 5: Okay, So it's here forty five Glenfield, and we've got

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01:31:20,612 --> 01:31:24,133
Speaker 5: approximately forty people that train for high Rocks and there's

1743
01:31:24,133 --> 01:31:27,452
Speaker 5: probably twenty five of our members that are actually competing

1744
01:31:27,492 --> 01:31:29,732
Speaker 5: this weekend. Some of the trainers have already done it

1745
01:31:29,812 --> 01:31:32,652
Speaker 5: last night. But the coolest thing we've got is we've

1746
01:31:32,652 --> 01:31:35,933
Speaker 5: actually got a guy who represents New Zealand and Wheelchair

1747
01:31:36,013 --> 01:31:40,812
Speaker 5: Rugby and he's doing what's called the Adaptive Higher Rocks

1748
01:31:41,093 --> 01:31:44,933
Speaker 5: and it's amazing watching him train. He does everything you

1749
01:31:45,013 --> 01:31:48,213
Speaker 5: talk about a birpie broad jump. He actually jumps forward

1750
01:31:48,333 --> 01:31:51,293
Speaker 5: on his wheelchair. I've seen the video of it and

1751
01:31:51,333 --> 01:31:55,972
Speaker 5: then pops himself up right and absolutely amazing.

1752
01:31:56,093 --> 01:31:58,972
Speaker 2: How does he do the sled push in the sled pull?

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01:31:59,933 --> 01:32:03,253
Speaker 5: So I've seen the video where he's pulling the sled,

1754
01:32:03,372 --> 01:32:07,333
Speaker 5: so he's actually basically on his wheelchair pulling the sled

1755
01:32:07,532 --> 01:32:10,372
Speaker 5: with the wait behind. I haven't seen how he actually

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01:32:10,372 --> 01:32:14,293
Speaker 5: does it. It's just it's inspiring. I used to be

1757
01:32:14,333 --> 01:32:16,372
Speaker 5: a runner. I couldn't do this sort of thing anymore.

1758
01:32:16,612 --> 01:32:21,333
Speaker 5: I'm relatively old now, but I just admire them. I

1759
01:32:21,333 --> 01:32:26,452
Speaker 5: did a an event a few months ago where I

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01:32:26,532 --> 01:32:28,572
Speaker 5: was doing the war ball. So this is the last

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01:32:28,612 --> 01:32:32,852
Speaker 5: thing before they finish, and it's just the people that

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01:32:33,213 --> 01:32:35,732
Speaker 5: the energy that these people got, they've got nothing left.

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Speaker 9: They're just on.

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Speaker 5: You know, they're just average people just doing it. And

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01:32:40,732 --> 01:32:42,772
Speaker 5: I had to convince them. It took a lady ten

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01:32:42,812 --> 01:32:44,973
Speaker 5: minutes to do the one hundred war balls, but she

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01:32:45,093 --> 01:32:46,412
Speaker 5: was never not going to do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Those moments are beautiful

1769
01:32:48,812 --> 01:32:51,412
Speaker 2: when you watch them and you know the feeling worse

1770
01:32:51,492 --> 01:32:52,772
Speaker 2: that people get at the end of it. Thank you

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01:32:52,812 --> 01:32:55,293
Speaker 2: so much for your call, Murray. I really appreciate it.

1772
01:32:55,293 --> 01:32:57,092
Speaker 2: There's been a great chat and good luck to everyone

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01:32:57,093 --> 01:33:00,213
Speaker 2: that's competing in high rocks this weekend. Eleven thousand people

1774
01:33:00,772 --> 01:33:04,932
Speaker 2: in Auckland. I think it's absolutely awesome. After the news

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01:33:04,973 --> 01:33:08,612
Speaker 2: headlines with railing Ramsey, we're joined by one of the

1776
01:33:08,612 --> 01:33:13,972
Speaker 2: most important thinkers in the world right now, Stephen Pinker's

1777
01:33:14,013 --> 01:33:18,412
Speaker 2: coming to us from Boston. So back in just a

1778
01:33:18,412 --> 01:33:21,492
Speaker 2: few minutes. It is three twenty six. You're listening to

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Speaker 2: news Talks, heb.

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Speaker 13: Us Talks, Hebb headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no

1781
01:33:27,812 --> 01:33:30,692
Speaker 13: trouble with a blue bubble. The Prime Ministers heading to

1782
01:33:30,732 --> 01:33:34,412
Speaker 13: White Tangi, but not for the official day itself. Chris

1783
01:33:34,452 --> 01:33:37,732
Speaker 13: Luxen will spend Wednesday and Thursday next week meeting with

1784
01:33:37,812 --> 01:33:41,533
Speaker 13: EWE leaders, but we'll spend Friday the sixth in Auckland.

1785
01:33:42,333 --> 01:33:45,492
Speaker 13: Popular Australian DJ Fisher will be going ahead with his

1786
01:33:45,652 --> 01:33:49,652
Speaker 13: Todonger concert tomorrow. The event organizers says they acknowledge the

1787
01:33:49,692 --> 01:33:53,773
Speaker 13: immense tragedy and have launched a fundraiser for affected families.

1788
01:33:54,093 --> 01:33:57,933
Speaker 13: Twenty thousand people are expected at bay Oval. People have

1789
01:33:57,973 --> 01:34:00,492
Speaker 13: been allowed to return home after a gas leak caused

1790
01:34:00,492 --> 01:34:04,572
Speaker 13: to evacuations in tope Or. Residents in Farahwaka were asked

1791
01:34:04,572 --> 01:34:07,253
Speaker 13: to leave when a digger hit a gas line. Police

1792
01:34:07,253 --> 01:34:11,333
Speaker 13: were called to assist five emergency just after midday. The

1793
01:34:11,372 --> 01:34:15,133
Speaker 13: government is extending the deployment of the Defense Force's liaison

1794
01:34:15,213 --> 01:34:19,452
Speaker 13: officer in Israel by three months. Defense Minister Judith Collins

1795
01:34:19,452 --> 01:34:23,452
Speaker 13: says the liaison officer helps improve the Force's understanding of

1796
01:34:23,492 --> 01:34:28,293
Speaker 13: the dynamic and complex environment. Two years on, has this

1797
01:34:28,452 --> 01:34:31,452
Speaker 13: coalition delivered? You can see the full column at enzid

1798
01:34:31,452 --> 01:34:32,412
Speaker 13: Herald Premium.

1799
01:34:32,612 --> 01:34:35,013
Speaker 2: Now back to Matt Heath. Stephen Pinker is one of

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Speaker 2: the world's most influential public intellectuals. A cognitive psychologist linguist

1801
01:34:39,053 --> 01:34:42,493
Speaker 2: and best selling author whose work explores language, human nature, rationality,

1802
01:34:42,532 --> 01:34:45,133
Speaker 2: and whether the world is actually getting better. His latest

1803
01:34:45,173 --> 01:34:47,812
Speaker 2: book looks at the power of common knowledge, what we

1804
01:34:47,853 --> 01:34:50,372
Speaker 2: all know and what we all know that we all know.

1805
01:34:50,452 --> 01:34:53,213
Speaker 2: Stephen Pinker joins us from Boston ahead of an appearance

1806
01:34:53,213 --> 01:34:56,532
Speaker 2: with me at the Bruce Mason Center in Takapuna this

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01:34:56,732 --> 01:35:00,732
Speaker 2: coming Monday. Stephen, welcome to the show. Thank you now.

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01:35:00,772 --> 01:35:03,532
Speaker 2: Along with many kiwis, I think the first time I

1809
01:35:03,572 --> 01:35:06,572
Speaker 2: became deeply aware of your work was with your book

1810
01:35:06,692 --> 01:35:10,293
Speaker 2: Enlightenment Now, which which I and you argue that if

1811
01:35:10,333 --> 01:35:13,652
Speaker 2: you look past the headlines and clickbit, the actual data

1812
01:35:13,732 --> 01:35:16,852
Speaker 2: shows us that the world is getting better in many ways.

1813
01:35:17,372 --> 01:35:20,893
Speaker 2: So and which ways things getting better? And why?

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01:35:21,652 --> 01:35:23,732
Speaker 16: Well, we'll start with the most important thing of all,

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01:35:23,772 --> 01:35:28,372
Speaker 16: and that's life. We're living longer. The life expectancy at

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01:35:28,412 --> 01:35:31,492
Speaker 16: birth for most of human history was on average around

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01:35:31,812 --> 01:35:37,333
Speaker 16: thirty Today it is in the seventies worldwide, and close

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01:35:37,372 --> 01:35:41,732
Speaker 16: to eighty in developed countries like New Zealand, like the

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01:35:41,853 --> 01:35:46,692
Speaker 16: United States. So that's for starters. Poverty. For most of

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01:35:46,772 --> 01:35:50,053
Speaker 16: human history, about eighty percent of humanity lived in what

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01:35:50,093 --> 01:35:53,852
Speaker 16: we would today call extreme poverty. Today it's like eight

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01:35:53,933 --> 01:35:58,053
Speaker 16: or nine percent. And I'll throw in a third one,

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01:35:58,093 --> 01:36:02,732
Speaker 16: and that is literacy. We are born illiterate. We didn't

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01:36:03,173 --> 01:36:06,612
Speaker 16: naturally develop with reading and writing, even though we didn't

1825
01:36:06,652 --> 01:36:09,213
Speaker 16: develop naturally with speech. And it used to be that

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01:36:09,333 --> 01:36:15,652
Speaker 16: literacy was a privilege of just an aristocratic elite. Now

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01:36:15,812 --> 01:36:18,692
Speaker 16: a majority of the world, close to more than eighty

1828
01:36:18,732 --> 01:36:22,253
Speaker 16: percent can read or write. Just a few decades ago

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01:36:22,412 --> 01:36:26,853
Speaker 16: it was less than half. And other things access to electricity,

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01:36:26,893 --> 01:36:32,412
Speaker 16: access to clean water, years of schooling, in anything that

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01:36:32,492 --> 01:36:37,612
Speaker 16: you can measure and plot on a graph, the numbers

1832
01:36:37,692 --> 01:36:40,452
Speaker 16: are better now than they were fifty years ago, one

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01:36:40,492 --> 01:36:42,572
Speaker 16: hundred years ago. Now this isn't a miracle. It's not

1834
01:36:42,612 --> 01:36:45,612
Speaker 16: that everything gets better all the time, and some things

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01:36:45,652 --> 01:36:48,892
Speaker 16: have gotten a little bit worse. Over the last ten

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01:36:48,933 --> 01:36:53,612
Speaker 16: to fifteen years. The world's democracy score has drooped a bit.

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01:36:53,692 --> 01:36:56,572
Speaker 16: That was still way better than when I was a child,

1838
01:36:57,372 --> 01:36:59,973
Speaker 16: but we've shaved off some of the progress in the

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01:37:00,053 --> 01:37:02,893
Speaker 16: last ten or fifteen years. War deaths have gotten a

1840
01:37:02,933 --> 01:37:05,213
Speaker 16: little bit worse in the last fifteen years, although again

1841
01:37:05,333 --> 01:37:07,652
Speaker 16: much better than at any time in the twentieth century.

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01:37:08,492 --> 01:37:12,333
Speaker 16: Progress sometimes moves a little bit backwards. But it's a

1843
01:37:12,372 --> 01:37:13,972
Speaker 16: real thing when you look at the numbers, and it's

1844
01:37:13,973 --> 01:37:16,133
Speaker 16: something that's hard to tell when you look at the headlines,

1845
01:37:16,572 --> 01:37:20,892
Speaker 16: because the headlines are a non random sample of the

1846
01:37:20,933 --> 01:37:24,213
Speaker 16: worst things happening on earth on any given day. So

1847
01:37:24,732 --> 01:37:27,293
Speaker 16: you got to zoom out and look at the trends

1848
01:37:27,293 --> 01:37:30,973
Speaker 16: to appreciate how life has gotten better on average.

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01:37:31,933 --> 01:37:34,173
Speaker 2: When I read your book, I finished it. When I

1850
01:37:34,213 --> 01:37:36,412
Speaker 2: read them, you know, obviously written many books. But when

1851
01:37:36,412 --> 01:37:38,452
Speaker 2: I read Enlightenment Now, I finished it and I said

1852
01:37:38,492 --> 01:37:40,892
Speaker 2: to my partner in bed, good news, things aren't as

1853
01:37:40,933 --> 01:37:43,492
Speaker 2: bad as we thought they were. And I said, you

1854
01:37:43,532 --> 01:37:45,492
Speaker 2: got to read this, and she read it and she

1855
01:37:45,652 --> 01:37:49,972
Speaker 2: was like, hmm, people might read this and stop putting

1856
01:37:50,013 --> 01:37:52,412
Speaker 2: in the effort. So you know what was is that

1857
01:37:52,452 --> 01:37:56,412
Speaker 2: why the optimistic message became a little bit controversial and

1858
01:37:56,652 --> 01:37:59,772
Speaker 2: because people actually got angry with you about this message,

1859
01:37:59,812 --> 01:38:00,293
Speaker 2: didn't they?

1860
01:38:00,492 --> 01:38:03,532
Speaker 16: Some people did. But my counter is that if you

1861
01:38:03,612 --> 01:38:06,173
Speaker 16: really want to get people to give up and be

1862
01:38:06,532 --> 01:38:09,612
Speaker 16: completely passive and fair, west say that none of the

1863
01:38:09,652 --> 01:38:13,093
Speaker 16: efforts that have been put into making the world a

1864
01:38:13,133 --> 01:38:15,173
Speaker 16: better place have done anything to make the world a

1865
01:38:15,213 --> 01:38:17,492
Speaker 16: better place. It's all useless, nothing that we do can

1866
01:38:17,772 --> 01:38:20,652
Speaker 16: ever make things better. That's really going to get people

1867
01:38:20,692 --> 01:38:22,852
Speaker 16: to stay at home and watch the Telly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. Now, you've also thrown yourself into

1869
01:38:26,933 --> 01:38:29,772
Speaker 2: the fight for free speech. So why is freedom of

1870
01:38:29,772 --> 01:38:33,053
Speaker 2: speech so central to progress? And why is there such

1871
01:38:33,053 --> 01:38:35,852
Speaker 2: a pushback against it these days? And I guess where

1872
01:38:35,933 --> 01:38:37,333
Speaker 2: is that pushback coming from?

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01:38:37,772 --> 01:38:41,372
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's important because we're not angels, we're not infallible,

1874
01:38:41,412 --> 01:38:44,333
Speaker 16: we're not omniscient. All of us can be wrong. All

1875
01:38:44,372 --> 01:38:46,932
Speaker 16: of us are wrong about some things. And the only

1876
01:38:46,973 --> 01:38:50,532
Speaker 16: way that as a society, as a species, we've been

1877
01:38:50,532 --> 01:38:56,533
Speaker 16: able to make progress is that people say offer a hypothesis,

1878
01:38:56,572 --> 01:39:00,612
Speaker 16: a guess conscious to how things work, and other people

1879
01:39:00,692 --> 01:39:03,932
Speaker 16: get to say what's wrong with it. And even though

1880
01:39:04,933 --> 01:39:07,372
Speaker 16: as a psychologist, I can tell you we're pretty bad

1881
01:39:07,492 --> 01:39:10,612
Speaker 16: at noticing the flaws and our own beliefs, but we're

1882
01:39:10,692 --> 01:39:12,852
Speaker 16: much better at pointing out the flaws than the other

1883
01:39:12,853 --> 01:39:17,133
Speaker 16: guy's beliefs. So if you have a free speech where

1884
01:39:17,612 --> 01:39:20,772
Speaker 16: anyone can say what's wrong with someone else's idea and

1885
01:39:20,812 --> 01:39:23,572
Speaker 16: they can try out new ideas, there's at least some

1886
01:39:23,652 --> 01:39:27,012
Speaker 16: hope that we can save the things that work. Try

1887
01:39:27,053 --> 01:39:30,972
Speaker 16: not to repeat our mistakes and gradually come to understand

1888
01:39:30,973 --> 01:39:34,772
Speaker 16: the world better and make the world better. Now, why

1889
01:39:34,812 --> 01:39:39,572
Speaker 16: has it been has been under attack, especially in just

1890
01:39:39,692 --> 01:39:44,013
Speaker 16: the places where you think that ideas are coined to

1891
01:39:44,053 --> 01:39:47,652
Speaker 16: the realm what matters, namely in universities, in the press.

1892
01:39:48,652 --> 01:39:51,972
Speaker 16: I think it's because we're all moralists. There's a part

1893
01:39:52,013 --> 01:39:53,812
Speaker 16: of us that's curious about the way things work. But

1894
01:39:53,853 --> 01:39:56,732
Speaker 16: there's always a part of us that's worried about people

1895
01:39:56,772 --> 01:40:02,492
Speaker 16: believing dangerous things or breaking the norms that allow us

1896
01:40:02,492 --> 01:40:05,612
Speaker 16: to live together. A lot of what allows us to

1897
01:40:05,652 --> 01:40:09,452
Speaker 16: be civil to each other isn't it forced by the police,

1898
01:40:09,572 --> 01:40:13,973
Speaker 16: but just things that everyone obeys because everyone knows that

1899
01:40:14,013 --> 01:40:16,173
Speaker 16: everyone obeys it. You just you know, you don't belt

1900
01:40:16,253 --> 01:40:19,932
Speaker 16: at the dinner table. You don't tell racist jokes, although

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01:40:19,973 --> 01:40:21,932
Speaker 16: even when I was a kid, hell, the ethnic jokes,

1902
01:40:21,973 --> 01:40:24,933
Speaker 16: even on broadcast TV, was pretty common. That's kind of

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01:40:24,973 --> 01:40:28,253
Speaker 16: taboo now. So, and how do these norms survive given

1904
01:40:28,293 --> 01:40:30,892
Speaker 16: that the police aren't going to arrest you for making

1905
01:40:30,973 --> 01:40:34,692
Speaker 16: an ethnic joke. Well, if someone does make it in

1906
01:40:34,732 --> 01:40:38,053
Speaker 16: a public setting, then other people feel the urge to

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01:40:38,732 --> 01:40:41,772
Speaker 16: punish them in a public setting. Now that could be

1908
01:40:41,812 --> 01:40:45,532
Speaker 16: okay for some norms that really are worth keeping. But

1909
01:40:45,652 --> 01:40:48,173
Speaker 16: when you're a journalist, when you're a scientist, when you're

1910
01:40:48,173 --> 01:40:51,253
Speaker 16: an academic, when you're a historian, if everyone's going to

1911
01:40:51,253 --> 01:40:53,372
Speaker 16: be worried about what this finding is going to do

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Speaker 16: to the moral order, is going to be a bad

1913
01:40:55,492 --> 01:40:58,093
Speaker 16: lesson for the kids, You're never going to find out

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Speaker 16: how the world works. And I think that's what's what's

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01:41:00,492 --> 01:41:01,052
Speaker 16: been happening.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to cognective psychologists, linguist and best selling author

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Speaker 2: Stephen Pankat. Now, across your career, it seems to your

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Speaker 2: through line has been a push towards rationality. So are

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Speaker 2: humans rational by nature or do we have to foster

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Speaker 2: it in ourselves and also foster it in others.

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Speaker 16: Well, some of each. I think when it comes to

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Speaker 16: our day to day immediate experience, our physical lives, we

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Speaker 16: are pretty rational. You kind of have to be, because

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Speaker 16: reality is unforgiving. It's going to punish you if you're urological.

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Speaker 16: If you want to keep petrol in the car, and

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Speaker 16: food and the refrigerator, and the kids clothed and fed

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Speaker 16: and off to school and in time, you know, you

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Speaker 16: got to work by the clock, by the laws of physics,

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Speaker 16: the laws of reality, cause and effect. Reality is going

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Speaker 16: to punish you if you don't. And as a species,

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Speaker 16: we've done you know that. You know, that's why even

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Speaker 16: before high technology and the Industrial revolution, our ancestors kind

1933
01:42:00,333 --> 01:42:04,253
Speaker 16: of swarmed over the entire globe using living by their wits.

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Speaker 16: Our ancestors were knew how to outsmart and plants, and

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Speaker 16: to develop traps and tools and poisons and medicines such

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Speaker 16: as kind of what we do as a species. But

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Speaker 16: then there are these big questions that we have to

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Speaker 16: deal with in modern society, like who is going to

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Speaker 16: be the best leader? Who what causes wars? What causes

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Speaker 16: diseases and pandemics? And why do bad things happen to

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Speaker 16: good people? All these big kind of cosmic questions that

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Speaker 16: we don't actually deal with in our day to day lives.

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Speaker 16: Their people are not necessarily so rational there. People kind

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Speaker 16: of don't really have the gut feeling that you that

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Speaker 16: anyone can ever find out answers to questions like what

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Speaker 16: makes us sick? And so the best story, the most

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Speaker 16: uplifting myth, the most heroic saga, that's what people go with.

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Speaker 16: And the idea is no, no, no, no, you got to

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Speaker 16: go to look to see what science says, what historians say,

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Speaker 16: what the responsible journalists say, what the responsible record keepers say,

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Speaker 16: look at the data. Do experiments have free speech that

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Speaker 16: when people are wrong, they can be criticized, and you

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Speaker 16: should criticize them if you think they're wrong. That whole

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Speaker 16: mindset when it comes to these big ideas, that doesn't

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Speaker 16: sit so well with people, and that really has to

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Speaker 16: be cultivated in school. That is, questions should be posed

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Speaker 16: in a way you could try to answer them, see

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Speaker 16: what the best answers are, and believe what the evidence

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Speaker 16: points to.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Stephen Pinker more in a moment. It

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Speaker 2: is three point thirty nine. You're listening to news talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

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Speaker 2: News talks in'db It's three forty two. We're talking to

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Speaker 2: cognitive psychologists, linguist and best selling author Stephen Pinker coming

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Speaker 2: to us from Boston. Now, Stephen, you're fantastic. Your book

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Speaker 2: When Everyone Knows What Everyone Knows, focuses on common knowledge.

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Speaker 2: But what do you mean by common knowledge, because ironically,

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Speaker 2: it's probably not exactly what most people think common knowledge is.

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Speaker 16: No, no, it's not common knowledge. That's because academics, as

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Speaker 16: they often do, will take a term from the language

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Speaker 16: and they'll give it a technical meaning. In this case,

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Speaker 16: the technical meaning that I have in mind from the

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Speaker 16: literature in logic and economics and game theory and philosophy

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Speaker 16: and linguistics specifically means when everyone knows something and everyone

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Speaker 16: knows that everyone knows it, and everyone knows that everyone

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Speaker 16: knows that everyone knows it, and so on. Or I

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Speaker 16: know you something, you know it, I know that you

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Speaker 16: know it, you know that I know it, I know

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Speaker 16: that you know that I know that you know it.

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Speaker 16: So that is common knowledge in this technical sense. And

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Speaker 16: the reason that it's significant is that it's necessary for coordination,

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Speaker 16: for people to be on the same page. It isn't

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Speaker 16: enough to know that you know in a particular place

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Speaker 16: that you've visited for the first time, the law is

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Speaker 16: to drive on the left or to drive on the right.

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Speaker 16: You have to know that everyone else knows it, and

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Speaker 16: they have to know that everyone else knows it, because

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Speaker 16: if you're the only one who knows it, it's kind

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Speaker 16: of useless. Likewise, if you're having a rendezvous with it

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Speaker 16: with a friend, it's not enough to know that they

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Speaker 16: like to go to a particular cafe, because if they

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Speaker 16: don't know that you know it, then they might try

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Speaker 16: to go where they think to your favorite cafe is,

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Speaker 16: and each one of you could try to outthink the other.

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Speaker 16: You really have to know that the other person knows

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Speaker 16: that you know that they know in order to end

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Speaker 16: up at the same place at the same time. And

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Speaker 16: there are lots of examples like that. They're just every

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Speaker 16: day there's examples from everyday life, but a lot of

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Speaker 16: our big institutions like like like paper money, Why do

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Speaker 16: you accept a piece of paper in exchange for something

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Speaker 16: of value? Well, because you know the other people will

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Speaker 16: accept the piece of paper in exchange for something of

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Speaker 16: value that they'll give you, and they why would they

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Speaker 16: do that, Well, they know that still other people will

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Speaker 16: accept it. So money is kind of propped up by

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Speaker 16: nothing but common expectation or a lot of political power.

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Speaker 16: You defer to an authority because you know that he'll

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Speaker 16: stand his ground, and he stands his ground because he

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Speaker 16: knows that you'll defer. Why will you defer because you

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Speaker 16: know that he'll stand his ground. Even governments don't have

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Speaker 16: enough firepower to intimidate every last citizen. But people accept

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Speaker 16: the power when they just know that everyone else will

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Speaker 16: accept it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of power, you describe in your book how

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Speaker 2: modern censorship works in places like China and Russia, and

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Speaker 2: I found it really interesting the kinds of communications authorities

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Speaker 2: like the CCP stamp out. Can you took us through that?

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Speaker 16: Yes, And this is work done by one of my

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Speaker 16: colleagues at Harvard, Gary King, who actually got They managed

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Speaker 16: to download a huge trove of emails and social media

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Speaker 16: posts from China to see what the government was censoring.

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Speaker 16: And it turns out it's not criticism of the government.

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Speaker 16: In fact, for them, it's kind of useful intel to

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Speaker 16: find out which officials are doing their jobs and mollifying

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Speaker 16: the masses and which ones need to be replaced. So

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Speaker 16: they're they're just fine in getting actual feedback. But what

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Speaker 16: they will absolutely stamp out is anything that will allow

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Speaker 16: people to coordinate. Let's show up at a meeting to

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Speaker 16: discuss what's wrong with the government, Let's show up at

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Speaker 16: a protest, Let's circulate an article. That's what really terrifies ithtocracies.

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Speaker 2: Van Jones was on Bill Meya the Show the other

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Speaker 2: day and he said, in real life, we get on

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Speaker 2: pretty well with our neighbors. Then one day you go

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Speaker 2: online and look up a yoga Matt. The algorithm goes,

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Speaker 2: you're a lefty. Next thing, you get nothing but hard

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Speaker 2: left stuff. Your neighbor looks up buying a pickup truck.

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Speaker 2: The algorithm goes, he's right leaning and feeds them nothing

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Speaker 2: but right leaning stuff. So pretty soon you and your

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Speaker 2: neighbor are living in different virtual realities and you start

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Speaker 2: to look sideways at your neighbor over the fence in

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Speaker 2: real life. So you know this is the Western democracies.

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Speaker 2: The question is what is the state of common knowledge

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Speaker 2: in Western societies under the yoke of those algorithms.

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Speaker 16: Yes, it's the it's the algorithms, is not. But it's

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Speaker 16: not just the algorithms, although that is part of it.

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Speaker 16: It's also just the fragmentation of news sources in general.

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Speaker 16: Several decades ago, there's a small number of broadcast networks

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Speaker 16: and everyone listened to them. There was a small number

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Speaker 16: of print publications that and you when you read them,

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Speaker 16: you knew that everyone else was reading them like you know,

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Speaker 16: Time magazine or the the the Herald, some of the

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Speaker 16: biggest papers. Now with the Internet, you could subscribe to

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Speaker 16: any of hundreds of feeds. Even before that, satellite and

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Speaker 16: cable television. So there's there's that, there's the the at

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Speaker 16: the same time, the erosion of some of the civil

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Speaker 16: society organizations that encourage people to meet up face face

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Speaker 16: to face, where it's harder to call someone a fascist

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Speaker 16: or a racist or a bigot when you're actually looking

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Speaker 16: them in the eye. And and by the way, eye

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Speaker 16: contact is itself a general later of common knowledge, because

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Speaker 16: when you're looking at someone's eyes, you're looking at the

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Speaker 16: part of them that's looking at the part of you

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Speaker 16: that's looking at the part of them there's looking at

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Speaker 16: the part of you. So eye contact generates an instant

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Speaker 16: common knowledge and acknowledgment of each other's reality. But as

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Speaker 16: people are less likely to go to church, as they're

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Speaker 16: less likely to be drafted into the army, as they're

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Speaker 16: less likely you had to belong to bowling leagues and

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Speaker 16: volunteer organizations like the Lions Club and Kowanas and rotary,

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Speaker 16: people see each other less face to face, and the

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Speaker 16: natural encouragers and inhibitors are less active expressing affection to

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Speaker 16: someone where you don't have the relationship with yet.

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Speaker 2: And because it's twenty twenty six, we have to move

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Speaker 2: the conversation to AI. It's almost compulsory and like it now.

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Speaker 2: You spent some time at the end of the book

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Speaker 2: Easing fee is about II, And of course that book

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Speaker 2: was twenty seventeen, which was before the blowof of GPT

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Speaker 2: and such and other large language models. Do you still

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Speaker 2: believe fears around AI and it's existential threat to humanity

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Speaker 2: being overstated? Stident?

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Speaker 16: Well, I think there are, You know there are. It's

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Speaker 16: going to be massively disruptive in a number of ways.

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Speaker 16: We don't know what it's going to do to employment.

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Speaker 16: If it's a lot of not just manual jobs, but

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Speaker 16: white collar jobs are automated, and we have to figured

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Speaker 16: out what we're going to do about that. Assuming that

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Speaker 16: that happens, that may be used by malevolent actors to

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Speaker 16: create pathogens or to create deep fakes that that disrupt politics.

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Speaker 16: So those are real threats. What I was writing about

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Speaker 16: is the existential threat that AI is either going to

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Speaker 16: take over because if it's that much smarter than us.

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Speaker 16: Then it's going to treat us like you know we

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Speaker 16: treat animals, or or like colonizers treated indigenous peoples, or

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Speaker 16: that by accident. It's going to be we're going to

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Speaker 16: program it to do one thing, and it's going to

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Speaker 16: run a muck in maniacally carrying out that task, and

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Speaker 16: we'd be collateral damage. In the famous example, we give

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Speaker 16: AI the goal of making as many paper clips as possible,

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Speaker 16: and it turns the entire world into paper clips, including

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Speaker 16: our bodies.

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Speaker 2: To mine the iron.

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Speaker 16: Presumably this is the.

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Speaker 2: One you talk about as well, which is a cure

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Speaker 2: cancer and humans, So you know, get rid of cancer

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Speaker 2: and humans, and that the logic is get rid of

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Speaker 2: all humans because then we know cancer.

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Speaker 16: Yes, now, so those scenarios do not keep me up because, well,

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Speaker 16: for one thing, they're not artificial intelligence. They're artificial stupidity.

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Speaker 16: Every intelligence means you combine multiple goals. You know, you

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Speaker 16: build a car, it's got an accelerated pedal, it's also

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Speaker 16: got a brakes and a steering wheel. That's what driving is.

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Speaker 16: You never build a device that just does one thing,

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Speaker 16: regardless of all the consequences. So something that tried to

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Speaker 16: cure to eliminate cancer by eliminating humans. Obviously was too

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Speaker 16: stupid to understand what eliminating cancer means. And the people

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Speaker 16: devising it, who were ingenious enough to give it the

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Speaker 16: capacity to exterminate every last humans, it never occurred to

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Speaker 16: them to program it to understand what eliminating cancer really means.

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Speaker 16: So I think it's just self contradictory. Is not to

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Speaker 16: say that AI won't be disrupted. It clearly will be,

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Speaker 16: but let's focus on the real threats and not these

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Speaker 16: sci fi scenarios.

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Speaker 2: Now, finally, across your books, you've explored language, the human mind,

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Speaker 2: human nature, violence, moral progress, rationality, free speech, and now

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Speaker 2: shared knowledge. I always get excited when you've got a

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Speaker 2: new book coming out. So what's tickling your fancy right now?

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Speaker 2: Have you decided what you're looking into next?

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Speaker 16: Not sure? I mean one possibility, since it is a

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Speaker 16: frequently asked question, uestion is yeah, yeah, you wrote this

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Speaker 16: book about human progress but came out in twenty eighteen.

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01:53:14,572 --> 01:53:17,012
Speaker 16: That means you sent it after press in twenty seventeen.

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01:53:17,293 --> 01:53:19,133
Speaker 16: Maybe it was true then that hasn't the world gone

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Speaker 16: to hell since? And so I could pardon me thinks

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Speaker 16: about talking about about progress, progress in the twenty first century.

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Speaker 16: What is it, what propels it, what sets it back?

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Speaker 16: How well are we doing? What are the problems facing us?

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Speaker 16: So that that's one problem. But at this point the

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Speaker 16: hardcover has come out, the paperback hasn't even come out yet,

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Speaker 16: so it's been too early for me to commit to

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Speaker 16: the next book.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit of an unfair question before you do.

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01:53:47,893 --> 01:53:52,093
Speaker 2: Enlightenment now with an exclamation mark. So thanks so much

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Speaker 2: for talking to us today. You've got fourteen thousand kilometers

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Speaker 2: to cover to get here for your gig, so we

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01:53:57,732 --> 01:54:00,293
Speaker 2: better let you go. Thanks again, and yes, see you

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Speaker 2: at the Bruce Mason Center Monday night.

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Speaker 1: See you then the big stories, the big issues, the

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Speaker 1: big trends and everything in the toy Matt Heath and

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Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons used talk ze b.

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Speaker 2: That was Stephen Pinka before the break. And there are

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Speaker 2: still limited number of tickets, limited number of tickets to

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Speaker 2: the Monday night gig at the Bruce Mason Center and

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Speaker 2: you can get them at thinkable events. Hey, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for listening today. I've had a great time.

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Speaker 2: I've had a great time on my own, but very

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Speaker 2: much looking forward to the return of My buddy Tyler

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Speaker 2: will be back live Monday from twelve pm from lunchtime

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01:54:39,973 --> 01:54:42,933
Speaker 2: as always, four hours of conversations with you on o

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Speaker 2: E one hundred and eighty ten eighty. The fantastic Heather

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Speaker 2: Duplassy Allen is up next. But right now, Matt, why

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Speaker 2: are you playing this song by M and M. Well,

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01:54:52,013 --> 01:54:56,413
Speaker 2: it's to g up and show my sport to all

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Speaker 2: those fantastic people that are competing in high rocks this

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Speaker 2: weekend in Auckland. Eleven thousand people going hard. It's an

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Speaker 2: absolutely beautiful thing. But have a fantastic weekend and we

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Speaker 2: will see you on Monday. Until then you can give

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Speaker 2: me a tight of killing to me.

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Speaker 1: Ain't it's no movie.

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01:55:15,173 --> 01:55:17,013
Speaker 2: There's no Macay fight for this.

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Speaker 1: Is my life when.

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01:55:17,973 --> 01:55:20,653
Speaker 18: These times are so hard and it's getting even harder

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Speaker 18: to run of feeding water my seat.

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Speaker 2: Plus see that's on.

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Speaker 18: The corner between being a father and a prima donna

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Speaker 18: baby Mama traumas streaming order too much for me to

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Speaker 18: mona stam with spots until the damn or not.

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Speaker 19: And he's kinding you.

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Speaker 18: To the point I'm make a stale I've got it's.

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Speaker 1: A formulator plot or it hit up in Jailer's shot.

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01:55:37,413 --> 01:55:38,853
Speaker 1: Success is my only.

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01:55:38,653 --> 01:55:40,733
Speaker 2: Mothering option failures not.

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Speaker 1: Mama, love you.

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01:55:41,772 --> 01:55:43,213
Speaker 2: But this trailer's got to go.

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01:55:43,573 --> 01:55:44,812
Speaker 1: I cannot go home in.

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Speaker 19: Salem's Life, So here I go.

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Speaker 18: It's my shot treat filming now.

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01:55:48,613 --> 01:55:49,253
Speaker 1: It's maybe the.

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Speaker 19: Only opportunity that I got.

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01:55:51,173 --> 01:55:52,933
Speaker 1: You matter. Ruse is counting the.

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Speaker 2: Music the moon it's to home, makes you better?

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Speaker 19: Never let it go?

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Speaker 7: Made?

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Speaker 2: What shot and not?

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Speaker 21: And it's your chance to blow this opportunity?

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Speaker 1: But once for the life.

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Speaker 18: Si Loos is healing the music the moon makes to

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Speaker 18: home gets Never let it go?

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01:56:08,613 --> 01:56:09,972
Speaker 13: What shot that miss?

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01:56:10,013 --> 01:56:11,973
Speaker 21: A chance to blow this opportunity?

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01:56:12,453 --> 01:56:16,253
Speaker 1: What's the light time you can do?

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01:56:16,333 --> 01:56:18,132
Speaker 2: Want to shange you such a mind to the mission.

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Speaker 1: For more from Used Talks at b Listen live on

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Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever

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