1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,613 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 1: from News Talks at Me. 3 00:00:12,973 --> 00:00:17,493 Speaker 2: The remarkable Dame Kitty to Kanawa celebrates a milestone this week. 4 00:00:17,853 --> 00:00:21,973 Speaker 2: Wednesday is her eightieth birthday as one of New Zealand's 5 00:00:22,173 --> 00:00:27,173 Speaker 2: most best known performers, most successful international stars. With a 6 00:00:27,253 --> 00:00:31,893 Speaker 2: long and illustrious international career, Dame Kitty has an incredible 7 00:00:31,973 --> 00:00:34,853 Speaker 2: legacy to reflect upon and how lucky am I? Ahead 8 00:00:34,893 --> 00:00:38,013 Speaker 2: of her birthday celebrations, Dame Kitty to Kana is with 9 00:00:38,173 --> 00:00:39,573 Speaker 2: us in Studio Kilda. 10 00:00:39,653 --> 00:00:41,933 Speaker 3: Good morning, Thank you very much, nice to be here. 11 00:00:42,173 --> 00:00:43,093 Speaker 2: Happy birthday. 12 00:00:43,413 --> 00:00:45,613 Speaker 3: Not yet, it's looming for me a. 13 00:00:45,653 --> 00:00:48,453 Speaker 2: Couple of days away. How are you someone who? What 14 00:00:48,933 --> 00:00:50,093 Speaker 2: does this milestone mean to you? 15 00:00:50,413 --> 00:00:52,893 Speaker 3: Well? I got here. That's a start, you know. It's 16 00:00:52,933 --> 00:00:55,013 Speaker 3: like sort of the engines on and I'm at the 17 00:00:55,093 --> 00:00:58,933 Speaker 3: lights and I'm ready for go. I'm here. I can't 18 00:00:58,973 --> 00:01:03,173 Speaker 3: imagine that I got to age eighty. This is quite unbelievable. 19 00:01:03,173 --> 00:01:04,653 Speaker 3: I thought seventy was bad enough. 20 00:01:05,093 --> 00:01:07,613 Speaker 2: Now we're at eighty. 21 00:01:07,653 --> 00:01:09,253 Speaker 3: I'm mainly for another one. I'm amly for you. 22 00:01:09,493 --> 00:01:13,293 Speaker 2: You look incredibly fit and vibrant and healthy and everything 23 00:01:13,333 --> 00:01:13,773 Speaker 2: for eighty. 24 00:01:13,893 --> 00:01:16,453 Speaker 3: It must be that northern It must be the northern air. 25 00:01:16,693 --> 00:01:17,813 Speaker 2: Do you think it must be? 26 00:01:18,133 --> 00:01:18,373 Speaker 3: Yeah? 27 00:01:18,773 --> 00:01:23,573 Speaker 2: Are you someone who do you get at all philosophical 28 00:01:23,573 --> 00:01:25,693 Speaker 2: around these kind of kinds of milestones. Do you find 29 00:01:25,733 --> 00:01:27,333 Speaker 2: yourself reflecting on things now. 30 00:01:27,173 --> 00:01:30,533 Speaker 3: Because they've life? It's goes so quickly, and another year 31 00:01:30,573 --> 00:01:33,093 Speaker 3: comes by, another March comes by, and then there's another 32 00:01:33,133 --> 00:01:34,853 Speaker 3: one and I just sort of think, well, there it 33 00:01:34,893 --> 00:01:37,973 Speaker 3: is again. It's it's popped up and I've just emailed 34 00:01:38,013 --> 00:01:41,173 Speaker 3: someone in England. Here it comes, here, it comes, and 35 00:01:41,453 --> 00:01:43,693 Speaker 3: it doesn't really worry me too much. Only things. It 36 00:01:43,693 --> 00:01:46,333 Speaker 3: would worry me if I suddenly became very ill, and 37 00:01:46,373 --> 00:01:47,653 Speaker 3: then I have to cope with all of that and 38 00:01:47,693 --> 00:01:49,573 Speaker 3: people around me coping, And I think I don't really 39 00:01:49,613 --> 00:01:51,773 Speaker 3: want to be ill. I just like to sort of 40 00:01:51,773 --> 00:01:54,973 Speaker 3: disappear and not bother anybody. But as time is going on, 41 00:01:55,173 --> 00:01:58,253 Speaker 3: I'm happy, I'm healthy, and I just keep going and 42 00:01:58,493 --> 00:02:00,693 Speaker 3: don't don't wait for them for any trouble. 43 00:02:00,813 --> 00:02:03,053 Speaker 2: Dore, I ask how you will celebrate your birth. 44 00:02:03,373 --> 00:02:06,253 Speaker 3: I'm going fishing with my husband, very good to try 45 00:02:06,253 --> 00:02:08,213 Speaker 3: and get out on the boat. I was going to 46 00:02:08,293 --> 00:02:11,093 Speaker 3: the whole month of February was going to mean mine 47 00:02:11,173 --> 00:02:13,533 Speaker 3: and my husbands. We were going to do everything together. 48 00:02:14,293 --> 00:02:15,213 Speaker 3: None of it's worked. 49 00:02:15,613 --> 00:02:16,333 Speaker 2: Oh why is that? 50 00:02:16,413 --> 00:02:18,373 Speaker 3: Well, the roofer came and the roof didn't come. Then 51 00:02:18,773 --> 00:02:24,093 Speaker 3: the and then the glassman is going to come, which 52 00:02:24,133 --> 00:02:26,933 Speaker 3: is a blessing. Then the carpet cleaning was delayed by 53 00:02:26,973 --> 00:02:28,733 Speaker 3: three days so that all the cut stuff went out 54 00:02:28,773 --> 00:02:31,093 Speaker 3: on the terrace. So with the carpet clean who she's amazing. 55 00:02:31,213 --> 00:02:33,253 Speaker 3: So all these different things. Then some oils comes and 56 00:02:33,413 --> 00:02:35,973 Speaker 3: something breaks down and Dad, it's just like that. So 57 00:02:36,493 --> 00:02:38,413 Speaker 3: the whole month of every ride went swish. 58 00:02:38,533 --> 00:02:39,853 Speaker 2: What will you be fishing for? 59 00:02:40,213 --> 00:02:42,853 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. I'm just go fishing, it doesn't matter. 60 00:02:42,853 --> 00:02:45,733 Speaker 3: But basically just for the table. We just get enough 61 00:02:45,733 --> 00:02:46,173 Speaker 3: at the table. 62 00:02:46,253 --> 00:02:48,053 Speaker 2: What do you enjoy about it about the fishing? 63 00:02:48,093 --> 00:02:50,093 Speaker 3: I think just being on the water because I'm I'm 64 00:02:50,333 --> 00:02:54,773 Speaker 3: you know, Pisces. My husband's Aquarius, so we're water people. 65 00:02:54,773 --> 00:02:57,413 Speaker 2: You're water people, Yes very much. Will you have a cake? 66 00:02:58,213 --> 00:02:59,973 Speaker 3: Oh? Never thought of that, Never thought of that one. 67 00:03:00,013 --> 00:03:00,933 Speaker 2: Are you a cake person? 68 00:03:01,933 --> 00:03:05,293 Speaker 3: Well, if I'm trying to stay a reasonable wait, I 69 00:03:05,373 --> 00:03:05,933 Speaker 3: prefer not to. 70 00:03:06,893 --> 00:03:09,133 Speaker 2: It's your birthday, is your eightieth birthday? You've got to 71 00:03:09,133 --> 00:03:10,573 Speaker 2: have a sliver away for thin. 72 00:03:10,813 --> 00:03:13,013 Speaker 3: No one, no one's no one's giving me cakes at 73 00:03:13,053 --> 00:03:15,373 Speaker 3: the moment, So I'll just be happy if I don't 74 00:03:15,373 --> 00:03:17,533 Speaker 3: get when it's fine. But my big thing's ice cream. 75 00:03:17,773 --> 00:03:19,693 Speaker 3: Ice cream, ice cream, I'll eat. I could eat a 76 00:03:19,693 --> 00:03:21,333 Speaker 3: whole pot of ice cream at one go. 77 00:03:21,493 --> 00:03:23,933 Speaker 2: Oh, you and I are a lined on ice front. Yeah, yes, 78 00:03:24,053 --> 00:03:26,773 Speaker 2: what do you have an ice cream of choice? Is there? Well? 79 00:03:26,813 --> 00:03:29,213 Speaker 3: I like chocolate, but I do like the hoky pokey 80 00:03:29,293 --> 00:03:30,933 Speaker 3: oh yeahs my favorite. 81 00:03:31,013 --> 00:03:32,933 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I totally agree. I'm with you on that. 82 00:03:33,293 --> 00:03:35,373 Speaker 2: How is it being home back? I know you've been 83 00:03:35,413 --> 00:03:37,573 Speaker 2: here a couple of years now, but that decision to 84 00:03:37,973 --> 00:03:39,813 Speaker 2: move home and to settle in the Bay of Islands, 85 00:03:39,813 --> 00:03:42,373 Speaker 2: do you feel it has been the right decision? Do 86 00:03:42,373 --> 00:03:44,013 Speaker 2: you feel vindicated in that decision? 87 00:03:44,053 --> 00:03:47,173 Speaker 3: The quick answer is yes. The quick answer the other 88 00:03:47,213 --> 00:03:51,373 Speaker 3: answers don't go there. You know, you make decisions. We 89 00:03:51,493 --> 00:03:54,813 Speaker 3: did it, and we're pleased we've done it. I've left 90 00:03:54,853 --> 00:03:57,933 Speaker 3: an awful lot of my heart behind. I'm very homesick 91 00:03:57,973 --> 00:04:00,373 Speaker 3: for England, and you know, because I lived there there 92 00:04:00,373 --> 00:04:03,853 Speaker 3: for more than fifty years. But home is here and 93 00:04:03,973 --> 00:04:07,653 Speaker 3: I am thoroughly enjoying all the different things about New Zealand, 94 00:04:07,693 --> 00:04:10,653 Speaker 3: which I never knew about. Like people don't give way 95 00:04:10,693 --> 00:04:13,173 Speaker 3: to you in traffic, people don't do this. 96 00:04:13,333 --> 00:04:14,453 Speaker 2: How did you not know about that? 97 00:04:15,773 --> 00:04:18,693 Speaker 3: Because in England you do because you know, they're terribly 98 00:04:18,733 --> 00:04:21,013 Speaker 3: they polite and stuff, so they don't do that. There's 99 00:04:21,013 --> 00:04:22,733 Speaker 3: a whole lot of little things that people don't do 100 00:04:22,893 --> 00:04:26,973 Speaker 3: or do do that a nice Sometimes they're wonderfully friendly, 101 00:04:27,213 --> 00:04:30,493 Speaker 3: just wonderfully friendly and very giving, and those are the 102 00:04:30,733 --> 00:04:32,253 Speaker 3: lovely things that I'm enjoying. 103 00:04:32,693 --> 00:04:35,013 Speaker 2: Was it a difficult decision to choose to come back. 104 00:04:35,573 --> 00:04:38,253 Speaker 3: It was a fast decision because of COVID, right and 105 00:04:38,373 --> 00:04:41,533 Speaker 3: we were looking at it and thinking this is horrendous. 106 00:04:41,813 --> 00:04:44,293 Speaker 3: It's getting worse, everyone's you know, and we were glad 107 00:04:44,333 --> 00:04:46,693 Speaker 3: we didn't get it. We have had COVID now, but 108 00:04:47,813 --> 00:04:51,213 Speaker 3: I'm still sort of have the residue of coughing up 109 00:04:51,333 --> 00:04:55,533 Speaker 3: stuff from COVID. But it doesn't matter. We're back and 110 00:04:55,573 --> 00:04:58,413 Speaker 3: we're thoroughly enjoying. The house needed a lot of attention. 111 00:04:58,573 --> 00:05:01,373 Speaker 3: It was rather neglected, but a lot of it's done. 112 00:05:01,533 --> 00:05:04,293 Speaker 3: Our huge five hundred year old tree fell down, so 113 00:05:04,293 --> 00:05:06,053 Speaker 3: we've had to cut that all up, which is really 114 00:05:06,093 --> 00:05:08,973 Speaker 3: really sad. Fell on the house. So that was you know, 115 00:05:09,013 --> 00:05:11,573 Speaker 3: eight months of telling the insurance company, well, you know, 116 00:05:11,733 --> 00:05:14,653 Speaker 3: it's done a lot of damage, but the house is 117 00:05:14,653 --> 00:05:17,973 Speaker 3: looking beautiful. I've got my tomatoes, my cucumbers, I've got 118 00:05:18,013 --> 00:05:19,893 Speaker 3: all the different things I want, flowers and stuff. So 119 00:05:20,213 --> 00:05:23,373 Speaker 3: I'm happy. I'm really happy. But I'm missing England. 120 00:05:23,533 --> 00:05:25,973 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very understandable given all of your friends and 121 00:05:26,013 --> 00:05:29,773 Speaker 2: connections in England. Do you find too that being in 122 00:05:29,813 --> 00:05:32,533 Speaker 2: New Zealand and having the separation that comes from being here, 123 00:05:32,573 --> 00:05:35,093 Speaker 2: which is both a blessing and a curse, do you 124 00:05:35,133 --> 00:05:40,173 Speaker 2: find yourself reflecting on your career anymore? Do you find 125 00:05:40,413 --> 00:05:44,013 Speaker 2: having that separation makes you, you know a little bit 126 00:05:44,053 --> 00:05:46,813 Speaker 2: more reflective on other parts of your life. 127 00:05:47,253 --> 00:05:49,533 Speaker 3: I don't look back too much because there's so much 128 00:05:49,573 --> 00:05:53,093 Speaker 3: went on, you know, my career, everything about my life 129 00:05:53,133 --> 00:05:56,333 Speaker 3: was that, you know, it's sort of megaspeed. And then 130 00:05:56,373 --> 00:05:58,333 Speaker 3: you get to this stage where it took me a 131 00:05:58,333 --> 00:06:00,533 Speaker 3: long time to not do a schedule. It took me 132 00:06:00,573 --> 00:06:02,893 Speaker 3: several years to calm down and not have to think, well, 133 00:06:02,893 --> 00:06:05,053 Speaker 3: I've got to get my dresses and my flights and 134 00:06:05,133 --> 00:06:07,613 Speaker 3: all the different things took along. That took about two 135 00:06:07,653 --> 00:06:10,133 Speaker 3: or three years to calm down and about a year 136 00:06:10,173 --> 00:06:12,173 Speaker 3: to sort of say that I'm not going to sing again. 137 00:06:12,253 --> 00:06:15,893 Speaker 3: Things like that. But it's best not to look back. 138 00:06:15,973 --> 00:06:17,573 Speaker 3: It's always best to look forward. And that's why I 139 00:06:17,573 --> 00:06:20,053 Speaker 3: think that's why I feel as though I'm healthy and 140 00:06:20,053 --> 00:06:21,813 Speaker 3: happy by going forward all the time. 141 00:06:21,973 --> 00:06:22,893 Speaker 2: Do you sing at all? 142 00:06:23,253 --> 00:06:23,533 Speaker 3: Yes? 143 00:06:24,333 --> 00:06:25,053 Speaker 2: When? And where? 144 00:06:25,093 --> 00:06:25,573 Speaker 3: In the car? 145 00:06:25,933 --> 00:06:26,653 Speaker 2: What do you sing to? 146 00:06:26,933 --> 00:06:27,533 Speaker 3: Very White? 147 00:06:28,013 --> 00:06:28,533 Speaker 2: Very White? 148 00:06:28,973 --> 00:06:29,853 Speaker 3: I love very White? 149 00:06:29,933 --> 00:06:30,133 Speaker 1: Yeah. 150 00:06:30,213 --> 00:06:32,693 Speaker 3: I don't sing with him, no, But I like Barry 151 00:06:32,773 --> 00:06:35,053 Speaker 3: Right abs of plunk along with Barry Right. And then 152 00:06:35,093 --> 00:06:37,653 Speaker 3: I have the orchestral pieces I love and all that 153 00:06:37,733 --> 00:06:38,213 Speaker 3: sort of thing. 154 00:06:38,733 --> 00:06:41,293 Speaker 2: What would be the most modern music you listen to? 155 00:06:41,853 --> 00:06:45,893 Speaker 3: Oh, well, you can imagine. I've got thousands of sounds 156 00:06:45,893 --> 00:06:48,173 Speaker 3: in my head, thousands of recordings in my head. But 157 00:06:48,293 --> 00:06:51,173 Speaker 3: Amy Winehouse is the one that she's really good. And 158 00:06:51,213 --> 00:06:54,773 Speaker 3: my little grandson he loves to dance to the Nigerian 159 00:06:54,853 --> 00:06:56,413 Speaker 3: funeral dancers. Have you seen that? 160 00:06:56,693 --> 00:06:58,053 Speaker 2: No, Oh, it's wonderful. 161 00:06:58,813 --> 00:07:01,213 Speaker 3: He dances to. We put the boomboxes on and we 162 00:07:01,373 --> 00:07:03,173 Speaker 3: dance all over the terrace and in the house and 163 00:07:03,253 --> 00:07:06,933 Speaker 3: jump all over the sofas of this Nigerian funeral. I 164 00:07:06,933 --> 00:07:09,533 Speaker 3: think might be incorrect that they've got a coffin on 165 00:07:09,573 --> 00:07:11,733 Speaker 3: their shoulders. Right, there's six or eight and they're doing 166 00:07:11,773 --> 00:07:14,173 Speaker 3: this dance. They go right down flat on the coffin 167 00:07:14,333 --> 00:07:16,453 Speaker 3: and up again and up again. I thought, it's the 168 00:07:16,453 --> 00:07:19,013 Speaker 3: most amazing thing. And it really swings. At six o'clock 169 00:07:19,013 --> 00:07:21,413 Speaker 3: at night with the sun going down, we're dancing to this. 170 00:07:21,773 --> 00:07:23,653 Speaker 2: This is you and Luthor, your grandson. 171 00:07:23,773 --> 00:07:24,693 Speaker 3: Yes, you're do it. 172 00:07:24,693 --> 00:07:25,733 Speaker 2: You participate in this. 173 00:07:26,573 --> 00:07:27,613 Speaker 3: He loves it. 174 00:07:27,773 --> 00:07:30,813 Speaker 2: How on earth were either of you introduced to the starlight? 175 00:07:31,213 --> 00:07:33,773 Speaker 3: No idea. We've just it just popped up and there's 176 00:07:33,813 --> 00:07:36,373 Speaker 3: a film of it, and he just loves it. We 177 00:07:36,413 --> 00:07:39,493 Speaker 3: put it on every night. And then there's the sea 178 00:07:39,533 --> 00:07:42,653 Speaker 3: Shanty song of the Boat and the Sea Shanty that 179 00:07:42,693 --> 00:07:44,733 Speaker 3: we love that one to. Everything's to dance to on 180 00:07:44,773 --> 00:07:45,253 Speaker 3: the terrace. 181 00:07:46,213 --> 00:07:47,973 Speaker 2: How is it being home with your grandson? 182 00:07:48,253 --> 00:07:52,693 Speaker 3: It's fun. He's fun. He's he's you know, children different, 183 00:07:52,893 --> 00:07:55,853 Speaker 3: Every child is different, and he has many interests. And 184 00:07:55,893 --> 00:07:58,933 Speaker 3: some of them are strange because we can't. 185 00:07:58,813 --> 00:08:01,413 Speaker 2: Understand funeral song, yes. 186 00:08:01,173 --> 00:08:04,133 Speaker 3: And then some are some are exciting. And he's always 187 00:08:04,173 --> 00:08:07,093 Speaker 3: coming up with he's only coming up to be six. 188 00:08:07,453 --> 00:08:08,773 Speaker 3: And he looked at me last night he said you 189 00:08:08,853 --> 00:08:11,413 Speaker 3: know I'm not six yet, So I said, well, I 190 00:08:11,453 --> 00:08:14,013 Speaker 3: know that we're coming. We're getting there. And then he 191 00:08:14,813 --> 00:08:17,893 Speaker 3: uses the word actually, which I think is rather nice. 192 00:08:18,413 --> 00:08:22,373 Speaker 3: And he says, yes, not a year, which I think 193 00:08:22,453 --> 00:08:22,973 Speaker 3: is rather nice. 194 00:08:23,053 --> 00:08:25,933 Speaker 2: Doing much better than me? Yes, in what context? Does 195 00:08:25,933 --> 00:08:26,853 Speaker 2: he use actually? 196 00:08:27,293 --> 00:08:31,773 Speaker 3: In every way? Actually? Grandpa? Actually, Mama or grandma? Actually, 197 00:08:31,813 --> 00:08:34,933 Speaker 3: it's always actually, So his lovely little. 198 00:08:34,733 --> 00:08:37,373 Speaker 2: Boy, does he have an appreciation of your talents? 199 00:08:37,693 --> 00:08:38,933 Speaker 3: Has no knowledge of it? 200 00:08:38,973 --> 00:08:41,293 Speaker 2: Isn't that lovely in a way? Yes? Yes, isn't that? 201 00:08:41,933 --> 00:08:44,333 Speaker 3: Yes? It just comes through the door and get a 202 00:08:44,373 --> 00:08:47,213 Speaker 3: big hug, and we're on our way. And he's telling 203 00:08:47,253 --> 00:08:48,933 Speaker 3: Grandpa that he is doesn't want to be in the 204 00:08:48,973 --> 00:08:50,973 Speaker 3: choir because it's in his break time and he wants 205 00:08:51,013 --> 00:08:53,653 Speaker 3: to be with his friends, and the choir is all girls. Anyway, 206 00:08:54,413 --> 00:08:57,093 Speaker 3: he sings, he sings, does he he's got a beautiful 207 00:08:57,093 --> 00:08:59,933 Speaker 3: little voice? Yeah. I was hoping that they might sort 208 00:08:59,933 --> 00:09:01,733 Speaker 3: of pick him up and do something, but he said, 209 00:09:01,733 --> 00:09:03,373 Speaker 3: it's all girls, Grandma, it's all girls. 210 00:09:04,093 --> 00:09:05,213 Speaker 2: Did what were you hoping they would do? 211 00:09:05,653 --> 00:09:08,773 Speaker 3: Well? Just let him sing. He was singing, Happy birthday 212 00:09:09,013 --> 00:09:11,493 Speaker 3: must have been to my husband, because my husband's just 213 00:09:11,613 --> 00:09:14,733 Speaker 3: had a birthday and it was in tune, completely in tune. 214 00:09:15,533 --> 00:09:16,133 Speaker 3: I was amazed. 215 00:09:16,573 --> 00:09:18,453 Speaker 2: That must be so special for you, see that. 216 00:09:18,613 --> 00:09:20,493 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't quite know what to do about it, 217 00:09:20,493 --> 00:09:22,493 Speaker 3: but I don't want to sort of discourage him. 218 00:09:22,773 --> 00:09:25,053 Speaker 2: You don't want to discourage him. You want to encourage him, 219 00:09:25,093 --> 00:09:27,013 Speaker 2: but he's obviously going to feel a way for the 220 00:09:27,013 --> 00:09:28,773 Speaker 2: expectations break time. 221 00:09:29,013 --> 00:09:31,213 Speaker 3: He said, it's quiet practicing in the break time. I 222 00:09:31,293 --> 00:09:32,093 Speaker 3: don't want to do that. 223 00:09:32,453 --> 00:09:34,533 Speaker 2: I think, for what it's worth, you should just put 224 00:09:34,573 --> 00:09:36,053 Speaker 2: a little bit of pressure on him, a little bit 225 00:09:36,053 --> 00:09:37,093 Speaker 2: of loving pressure on him. 226 00:09:37,213 --> 00:09:38,933 Speaker 3: Make sure you get him singing at the piano and 227 00:09:38,933 --> 00:09:39,533 Speaker 3: see what he'll do. 228 00:09:40,453 --> 00:09:41,533 Speaker 2: Did you watch the coronation? 229 00:09:42,133 --> 00:09:43,053 Speaker 3: I did? 230 00:09:42,653 --> 00:09:43,893 Speaker 2: I How was that for you? 231 00:09:44,533 --> 00:09:46,653 Speaker 3: Oh? Lovely? Of course, you know, the Queen was with 232 00:09:46,733 --> 00:09:49,733 Speaker 3: us for a very long time and all of my 233 00:09:49,853 --> 00:09:53,013 Speaker 3: life basically, and of course, you know, having a little 234 00:09:53,413 --> 00:09:56,653 Speaker 3: connection with his Majesty was rather nice, and just watching 235 00:09:56,813 --> 00:09:57,293 Speaker 3: was good. 236 00:09:59,133 --> 00:10:01,613 Speaker 2: For those of us who don't have connections. You feel 237 00:10:01,613 --> 00:10:04,173 Speaker 2: as though you are observing history in those moments and 238 00:10:04,173 --> 00:10:06,373 Speaker 2: everything with the royal family last year, from the queen 239 00:10:06,613 --> 00:10:13,453 Speaker 2: passing to the coronation, you must have much much another 240 00:10:13,493 --> 00:10:14,933 Speaker 2: dimension and that experience. 241 00:10:15,213 --> 00:10:17,373 Speaker 3: Yes, But I suppose I look at what the press 242 00:10:17,373 --> 00:10:19,333 Speaker 3: says and I look at what I've seen, you know, 243 00:10:19,453 --> 00:10:22,133 Speaker 3: being very very up close, and I thought, well, I 244 00:10:22,173 --> 00:10:23,733 Speaker 3: don't know how they get these stories out or with 245 00:10:23,813 --> 00:10:27,693 Speaker 3: somebody telling funny stories. But what I've seen in the 246 00:10:27,773 --> 00:10:29,853 Speaker 3: Royal family and the time, the little time I spent 247 00:10:29,973 --> 00:10:32,253 Speaker 3: with them, it's they're very ordinary people. 248 00:10:33,213 --> 00:10:33,413 Speaker 2: You know. 249 00:10:33,533 --> 00:10:36,613 Speaker 3: We discuss all sorts of things. We don't discuss the 250 00:10:36,653 --> 00:10:39,253 Speaker 3: wrong things, and if there is a discussion of it, 251 00:10:39,373 --> 00:10:42,053 Speaker 3: you know, it's we just need to put it aside 252 00:10:42,053 --> 00:10:44,093 Speaker 3: and never just never talk about it. 253 00:10:45,333 --> 00:10:48,933 Speaker 2: The Royal family definitely say yes rather than yeah, yes, 254 00:10:49,053 --> 00:10:52,573 Speaker 2: don't they Yeah, it did feel as though we were 255 00:10:53,333 --> 00:10:57,093 Speaker 2: sort of watching history. Yes, and we have felt like 256 00:10:57,213 --> 00:10:59,613 Speaker 2: that with you many times over the years. I don't 257 00:10:59,693 --> 00:11:03,053 Speaker 2: suppose you know who used to do this program before me. 258 00:11:03,333 --> 00:11:07,013 Speaker 2: It was Support Holmes. And there was one moment I 259 00:11:07,053 --> 00:11:08,693 Speaker 2: was hoping I could be very cheeky and ask you 260 00:11:08,733 --> 00:11:11,013 Speaker 2: about that was the time that you and the poor 261 00:11:11,053 --> 00:11:13,293 Speaker 2: Holmes had a cheeky snog on camera. 262 00:11:13,373 --> 00:11:15,973 Speaker 3: Do you he pushed his way into me? He oh, 263 00:11:16,013 --> 00:11:17,733 Speaker 3: it's terrible. Did he really is a shocker? 264 00:11:18,173 --> 00:11:18,853 Speaker 2: What happened. 265 00:11:19,253 --> 00:11:22,533 Speaker 3: No, I think we just well, I think it was me. Actually, 266 00:11:22,613 --> 00:11:25,333 Speaker 3: wasn't it. The camera's true that it was me. 267 00:11:25,533 --> 00:11:28,533 Speaker 2: Did you know they throw that term iconic around very 268 00:11:28,613 --> 00:11:31,173 Speaker 2: you know, too all too often, but that was a 269 00:11:31,173 --> 00:11:33,053 Speaker 2: truly iconic television moment. 270 00:11:33,253 --> 00:11:35,893 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Well, the time he came to London and 271 00:11:35,933 --> 00:11:38,533 Speaker 3: we had a chat. I remember we were at the 272 00:11:38,573 --> 00:11:40,973 Speaker 3: apartment I had at the time, and someone had fired 273 00:11:41,253 --> 00:11:43,813 Speaker 3: an air gun across the top of us from from 274 00:11:43,853 --> 00:11:45,653 Speaker 3: the apartment I was in, and there suddenly this we 275 00:11:45,733 --> 00:11:49,093 Speaker 3: heard the straight across and we and I know we've 276 00:11:49,093 --> 00:11:50,893 Speaker 3: got the fright. I've got a real fright. But he 277 00:11:51,013 --> 00:11:52,933 Speaker 3: was here and I was talking on the terrace and 278 00:11:53,093 --> 00:11:56,093 Speaker 3: we heard this thing happen, which wasn't nice. 279 00:11:56,213 --> 00:11:57,813 Speaker 2: That's you know, that's that's quite frightful. 280 00:11:57,973 --> 00:11:59,573 Speaker 3: Just young people being a bit silly, that's it. 281 00:11:59,733 --> 00:12:03,493 Speaker 2: That's it. So aside from your grandson, talk to us 282 00:12:03,493 --> 00:12:06,373 Speaker 2: about the kit Kanama Foundation and how it is progressed 283 00:12:06,453 --> 00:12:08,293 Speaker 2: sing at the moment and the young talent you see 284 00:12:08,293 --> 00:12:08,973 Speaker 2: in New Zealand. 285 00:12:09,133 --> 00:12:12,053 Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of wonderful talent and a lot 286 00:12:12,093 --> 00:12:14,573 Speaker 3: of some moens singers coming through now because now they 287 00:12:14,573 --> 00:12:17,333 Speaker 3: have a history of music, which is really lovely. They 288 00:12:17,373 --> 00:12:22,333 Speaker 3: have wonderful choirs that if you've ever heard all those 289 00:12:22,373 --> 00:12:26,253 Speaker 3: beautiful things, it is gorgeous, isn't it. We don't. I 290 00:12:26,253 --> 00:12:28,613 Speaker 3: don't think we have that in the Mari culture. We 291 00:12:28,733 --> 00:12:32,453 Speaker 3: have the ones on the Marai, but they don't. It's 292 00:12:32,493 --> 00:12:34,693 Speaker 3: not quite like the the some monsters. So I think 293 00:12:34,733 --> 00:12:38,053 Speaker 3: that's why they've been quite quite successful. But the foundation 294 00:12:38,213 --> 00:12:40,733 Speaker 3: is we're trying to help a lot of people, and 295 00:12:40,973 --> 00:12:43,973 Speaker 3: also we do with the foundation we also help some 296 00:12:44,093 --> 00:12:46,733 Speaker 3: of the covers at Courvent Garden as well, which gives 297 00:12:46,813 --> 00:12:48,773 Speaker 3: us a profile, but also it helps. We've had a 298 00:12:48,773 --> 00:12:52,213 Speaker 3: lot of great successes and some people getting covers go 299 00:12:52,333 --> 00:12:54,693 Speaker 3: straight on to get major roles at Covent Garden. But 300 00:12:55,293 --> 00:12:57,973 Speaker 3: so one singer to today, I think he's actually performing 301 00:12:57,973 --> 00:13:01,533 Speaker 3: in the in Paris, as Filippo, who was I was 302 00:13:01,533 --> 00:13:04,733 Speaker 3: at the competition was he won in Barcelona just a 303 00:13:04,773 --> 00:13:08,533 Speaker 3: few months ago, and he's singing in Paris and my 304 00:13:08,573 --> 00:13:11,893 Speaker 3: friend has gone to see him. They're singing in Glenbourne 305 00:13:11,933 --> 00:13:14,973 Speaker 3: and Salzburg and they're all over the place, all doing 306 00:13:15,053 --> 00:13:17,933 Speaker 3: extremely well, having come out of the COVID situation, which 307 00:13:17,973 --> 00:13:21,133 Speaker 3: I'm so pleased. We've helped them a lot, and it's 308 00:13:21,133 --> 00:13:23,893 Speaker 3: a lovely little group now that we've been sort of 309 00:13:23,933 --> 00:13:27,813 Speaker 3: really mentoring and caring for because they needed that sort 310 00:13:27,853 --> 00:13:31,413 Speaker 3: of moment of help, help, help, and we had a 311 00:13:31,413 --> 00:13:34,573 Speaker 3: psychologist come in for a while because they were being 312 00:13:34,613 --> 00:13:38,213 Speaker 3: really affected by no work, no work, couldn't go anywhere, 313 00:13:38,253 --> 00:13:41,293 Speaker 3: couldn't do anything. One of the wonderful singers went online 314 00:13:41,333 --> 00:13:43,893 Speaker 3: and was teaching English at I think eighteen pounds an hour. 315 00:13:44,533 --> 00:13:48,013 Speaker 3: That's how bad things were. So the foundation supported them 316 00:13:48,013 --> 00:13:51,493 Speaker 3: for several months in the year to try and just 317 00:13:52,013 --> 00:13:54,533 Speaker 3: give them money to live. So we did that. I 318 00:13:54,573 --> 00:13:59,813 Speaker 3: was very proud of my trustees England and Here to 319 00:13:59,893 --> 00:14:01,813 Speaker 3: decide to get to help them. 320 00:14:02,213 --> 00:14:04,053 Speaker 2: Is there any way you would sing in public again? 321 00:14:04,253 --> 00:14:04,333 Speaker 1: No? 322 00:14:04,933 --> 00:14:05,293 Speaker 2: Why not? 323 00:14:07,173 --> 00:14:09,733 Speaker 3: Best not to go there. You know, the past is 324 00:14:09,773 --> 00:14:12,013 Speaker 3: the past, and I always think that people who come 325 00:14:12,053 --> 00:14:15,013 Speaker 3: back sort of you know, you regret it and you 326 00:14:15,053 --> 00:14:18,693 Speaker 3: should never because my voice used to be very beautiful 327 00:14:19,653 --> 00:14:21,413 Speaker 3: when it was trained well. But now I don't train 328 00:14:21,453 --> 00:14:23,533 Speaker 3: at all. I don't work at it, so even if 329 00:14:23,573 --> 00:14:25,573 Speaker 3: I tried to train, it would take me months and 330 00:14:25,613 --> 00:14:27,613 Speaker 3: months to get my voice to anything near what I 331 00:14:27,653 --> 00:14:29,573 Speaker 3: would like it to. Be so it's just best to 332 00:14:29,653 --> 00:14:32,413 Speaker 3: leave it, go to sleep, and let's enjoy the youth 333 00:14:32,453 --> 00:14:32,933 Speaker 3: of today. 334 00:14:33,293 --> 00:14:36,813 Speaker 2: With that in mind, I hope you can enjoy this week. 335 00:14:37,173 --> 00:14:39,973 Speaker 2: I hope that once you get back and off the water, 336 00:14:40,093 --> 00:14:43,373 Speaker 2: you can celebrate with a small bowl of ice cream. 337 00:14:43,573 --> 00:14:45,493 Speaker 3: Sounds good to me. I will enjoy it. 338 00:14:45,573 --> 00:14:47,173 Speaker 2: I will enjoy it well. Thank you so much for 339 00:14:47,213 --> 00:14:49,413 Speaker 2: giving us your time. It's wonderful to see you. Thank you, 340 00:14:49,493 --> 00:14:50,213 Speaker 2: Happy birthday. 341 00:14:50,253 --> 00:14:51,053 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. 342 00:14:51,493 --> 00:14:52,853 Speaker 2: Dame Kitty to Canawa. 343 00:14:53,853 --> 00:14:56,973 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame. Listen live 344 00:14:57,053 --> 00:14:59,853 Speaker 1: to news talks it'd be from nine am Saturday, or 345 00:14:59,933 --> 00:15:01,853 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.