1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: We have our annual insight into the security threats we 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: currently face as a country. Sis tell us discruntled government employees, 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: well those in desperate need of extra kasher a key 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: concerned apparently foreign interferences there of course, our position in 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: the Pacific, and other lone wolf terror attack They're also listed. 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: Formula's Government Intelligent consultant, Paul buchananspect with us. Paul, very 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: good morning to you. 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike. Nice to be here. 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. From what was said yesterday, do you get 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: a sense that we are in more or less trouble 11 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: or it's the status quo, or we don't know? 12 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: No, Actually, we're getting drawn in too great power conflicts. 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: And although I've beaten this horse many times before, we 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: no longer live in a strategic, strategically benign environment, Dorothy. 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: We're right in the center of major geopolitical competition in 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: the Southwest Pacific, but we also have domestic issues and 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: the bottom line, and yesis says this. By the way, 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: this report is a a great step forward when it 19 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: comes to transparency of the SIS. It is clear, it's concise, 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: it's fairly comprehensive. It basically gives us a read of 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 2: how they look at the world and how they assess threats. 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: So I would urge it's a public document, it's free. 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: I would urge your listeners to read it because it's 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: very readable and it's only about forty pages total. Now, 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: having said that, we live in a globalized world, the 26 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: threats don't have to be physical. The threats can come online, 27 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: and in fact they have. And so our domestic threats 28 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: have what you might call intermestic connections. They're international, but 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: they're also domestic. And the sis makes that point when 30 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: it comes to violent extremism that their assessment is that 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: the most likely case of terrorism will be a white 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: supremacist lone wolf. I happen to disagree with their assessment 33 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: of the lone wolf, but we can leave that aside 34 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: for the moment. But radicalized online but from sources from abroad. 35 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: And then the second threat are Islamicists. So you know, 36 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: we're not sitting out in the middle Ocean, you know, 37 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: insulated from the world's you know, terrible events. And they 38 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: make that point, but let's be very clear. They prioritize 39 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: the threats, and the threats are in order of priority. 40 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: Foreign interference, espionage insider threat, which is an entirely new category, 41 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: and violent extremism and terrorism. So we focus on violent 42 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: extremism and terrorism, but that's the least of their worries. 43 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: They're mostly concerned about pernicious foreign influence in everything we do, 44 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 2: and then go on to talk about, you know, espionage 45 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: and this new category of insider threat, which are basically 46 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: people in positions of trust, both in the public as 47 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: well as the private sectors who willingly or unwillingly collude 48 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: with hotstile foreign actors in order to obtain and disseminate 49 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: sensitive information. 50 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: The interference is that Chinese lead. 51 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's great that you mentioned the Chinese, because also 52 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: this document is incredibly blunt. It mentions the PRC by name, 53 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: It mentions the Russians by name, and says what they 54 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: are trying to do. It actually offers case studies. I 55 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: would call them anecdotes, because these are not full case studies, 56 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: but anecdotals, short stories about how the PRC as well 57 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: as the Russians have tried to infiltrate community groups, Chinese 58 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: language media in the case of the PRC, and a 59 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: host of things. The section of foreign interference is twelve 60 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: pages long, all the other sections are three pages, so 61 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: they're really focused in. But let's be very clear, it's 62 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: not just in the excuse me, not just the Chinese 63 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: and the Russians. Uh. There are indirect allusions to what 64 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: is clearly India. Uh. There are indirect allusions to other 65 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: countries because it's not just hostile states that may want 66 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: sensitive information from New Zealand. Even our allies do it 67 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 2: and we do it to them, you know, via five 68 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: eyes and whatnot. So it's not as if you know, 69 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: we wear white gloves and you know only the Chinese 70 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: and Russians wear black gloves. But YESIS sees them as 71 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: black clubs actors and they talk about it. This will 72 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: probably rile the diplomats and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs 73 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: because they're not being sensitive when it comes to their language. 74 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 2: But good honor them forgiven an homorous assessment. Who's trying, 75 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: who's trying to, you know, meddle with us? 76 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: And thank you for your assessment as well appreciated as 77 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: always pull if you can from the US governmenttelligence consultant 78 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: and he's right, it is well worth reading. For more 79 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: from the mic Asking Breakfast listen live to news talks 80 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: at B from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 81 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio