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Speaker 3: Back for another week. Elliott Smith with me this week.

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Speaker 3: Nick Bewley, our voice of Crusaders and Canterbury Rugby, called

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Speaker 3: the Seal Challenge over the weekend. We will get into

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Speaker 3: that a bit later on, but Liam is somewhere in

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Speaker 3: like the Hangover. We might get him back later in

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Speaker 3: the week for a quick podcast at the end, but

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Speaker 3: Net great to have you in the next this week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks great to be here, Elliott.

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Speaker 4: Yes, certainly gave the Vocal Cords a real workout on

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Speaker 4: Saturday afternoonners Otago reefed the Ranfilly Shield away from Cannabury hands.

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Speaker 4: I know we'll get into that a bit later, but

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Speaker 4: I'm sure if Liam were here, he'd be reminding you

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Speaker 4: nice and early of that very fact that Canterbury no

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Speaker 4: longer holders.

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Speaker 3: He would be, indeed, So let's put that to the

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Speaker 3: bat burner for the time being, and let's get into

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Speaker 3: the Black Ferns losing to Canada in the World Cup

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Speaker 3: semi finals on Saturday morning. Look, it's hard to determine

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Speaker 3: it as a surprise. I guess maybe from a New

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Speaker 3: you know, having seen it up closed, their record against

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Speaker 3: Canada in recent times had been patchy. They had not

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Speaker 3: Canada just blew them off the park, especially in that

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Speaker 3: first forty minutes. What did you make of that semi final, Nick.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just on the I suppose the reaction first and

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Speaker 4: casual sporting fan who went, goodness me, like this is

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Speaker 2: The Black Ferns don't lose to anyone.

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Speaker 4: But as you pointed out to anyone who's followed this

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Speaker 4: calling the last two Black Ferns Canada games prior to

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Speaker 4: the semi final and Bristol. Both were here in christ Church,

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Speaker 4: a draw and a famous Canada winning in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: Were right up for it from the outset.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations to them because you know they've crowd funded their

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Speaker 4: have got the answer wrong. The way Canada played their

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you picked You made a good point that I

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Speaker 3: This was a Canada team that played with structure, with pace,

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Speaker 3: But Canada just played to a game plan which was

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Speaker 2: And I think it was interesting.

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Speaker 4: Building into the semi final, Elliott listening to the likes

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Speaker 4: Plan B, Plan C, Plan D didn't work. And I

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Speaker 4: don't know if that's purely coaching or personnel, but as

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Speaker 2: But it's one thing to know it's coming, it's another

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Speaker 3: They didn't and was really poor. Didn't get a first

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Speaker 3: they just put themselves in the wrong positions. They didn't

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Speaker 4: And that's a trend to elliott I saw in an

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Speaker 2: At the post.

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Speaker 4: Eight of the last nine Tests, the Black Ferns have

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Speaker 2: And you look at the nature of the penalties. There was.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, as I say, a lot of questions as

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Speaker 4: You know, seven days on from the All Blacks worst

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Speaker 4: now to occur and the Black Ferns to lose in

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Speaker 2: Final, that aura or that the brand, the New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big head expert for David Kirkers. He got his

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Speaker 4: No. I think New Zealand rugby would have landed on

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Speaker 4: a Canada, it doesn't help the Black Fern's cause when

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Speaker 4: So could we now see test series reintroduced. You know,

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Speaker 4: remembered for all the wrong reasons. I'd shift him to

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Speaker 4: the right, and then it's the less defying Anooku selection

438
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Speaker 4: as well. There's quite a bit to unpack you personally,

439
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Speaker 4: that these are all these sort of adjustments that I'd make,

440
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Speaker 4: because I feel like after a humbling like that at

441
00:22:06,373 --> 00:22:10,093
Speaker 4: the Cake Tin at warrants a fork in the road

442
00:22:10,173 --> 00:22:12,733
Speaker 4: moment where you go, you know what, we need to

443
00:22:12,813 --> 00:22:15,413
Speaker 4: make some changes rather than in the past what we

444
00:22:15,533 --> 00:22:20,213
Speaker 4: have seen is loyalty and conservatism and here go boys,

445
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Speaker 4: You've earned the right to redeem yourselves.

446
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Speaker 2: I think time has passed for that.

447
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Speaker 3: I think so too, and I think Scott Robinson's got

448
00:22:28,013 --> 00:22:30,173
Speaker 3: to use it as a license. You know, what's done

449
00:22:30,293 --> 00:22:32,293
Speaker 3: is done in terms of South Africa and Wellington, but

450
00:22:32,373 --> 00:22:35,333
Speaker 3: this is essentially your license to clean slate this team.

451
00:22:35,333 --> 00:22:37,213
Speaker 3: Whether he sees it the same way, I'm not sure,

452
00:22:37,293 --> 00:22:40,093
Speaker 3: but I'm with you, Roy Guard at nine. The big

453
00:22:40,173 --> 00:22:43,013
Speaker 3: question is what you do at ten and whether you

454
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Speaker 3: know they've got enough out of Boat and Barrett in Wellington,

455
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Speaker 3: whether Damien McKinsey maybe gets a look. He started that

456
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Speaker 3: one test in Hamilton against France. This year, they've gone

457
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Speaker 3: away from McKinsey, but do they go back there? You know,

458
00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:00,253
Speaker 3: reubend Love is in the wings. I would find it

459
00:23:00,373 --> 00:23:04,133
Speaker 3: highly unlikely that he'd get to go this week. I

460
00:23:04,173 --> 00:23:06,493
Speaker 3: think leicstifying a look at center is worthy of a

461
00:23:06,573 --> 00:23:09,573
Speaker 3: low billy proctor, you know, respect that they've given him

462
00:23:09,573 --> 00:23:12,573
Speaker 3: every chance this year to build and make that thirteen

463
00:23:12,653 --> 00:23:16,053
Speaker 3: Jersey his own, but it simply hasn't happened. So I'm

464
00:23:16,093 --> 00:23:18,733
Speaker 3: in greens. With those backline changes, Clark has to come in.

465
00:23:19,133 --> 00:23:20,893
Speaker 3: I'd move part of the right wing. I'd have will

466
00:23:20,973 --> 00:23:23,173
Speaker 3: Jordan at fullback. I'd have fining a Nookh at center

467
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Speaker 3: and Jordi Barrett at twelve and probably retain Bowden Barrett.

468
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Speaker 3: But you know what, I watched that Tartanaki Hawk's Bay

469
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Speaker 3: game on the weekend, and I know it's quote unquote

470
00:23:36,133 --> 00:23:38,653
Speaker 3: only in PC, but what Josh Jacob was doing around

471
00:23:38,733 --> 00:23:41,213
Speaker 3: driving his team around the park that game. Driver, but

472
00:23:41,333 --> 00:23:44,013
Speaker 3: ability to take on the line, That's what I want

473
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Speaker 3: out of an All Blacks ten and I'm just not

474
00:23:46,653 --> 00:23:49,893
Speaker 3: sure that their game plan is getting that at the moment.

475
00:23:49,973 --> 00:23:52,253
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of you know, bon and Barrett's

476
00:23:52,253 --> 00:23:54,413
Speaker 3: getting the ball sort of second receiver with the props

477
00:23:55,293 --> 00:23:57,893
Speaker 3: being used as first receivers and then coming in from

478
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Speaker 3: a standing start. I think that needs to look at

479
00:24:00,853 --> 00:24:04,813
Speaker 3: this weekend as well. So Scott Hanson obviously has his

480
00:24:04,933 --> 00:24:06,573
Speaker 3: hands on the game plan. I think it would have

481
00:24:06,613 --> 00:24:09,973
Speaker 3: been a probably sleepless few nights are around what we

482
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Speaker 3: expect from the All Blacks because simply there has to

483
00:24:12,853 --> 00:24:15,973
Speaker 3: be changes because they can't afford this Bletterslow Cup to

484
00:24:16,053 --> 00:24:16,933
Speaker 3: go to perth Alive.

485
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Speaker 2: I don't think. No, you're totally right, and.

486
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Speaker 4: You know there's so much riding on this from the

487
00:24:23,693 --> 00:24:26,973
Speaker 4: Bledderslow cupory history perspective, Eden Park perspective that they can

488
00:24:27,013 --> 00:24:29,933
Speaker 4: ill afford to to get it wrong. So look at

489
00:24:30,133 --> 00:24:32,733
Speaker 4: it will be fascinate and come Thursday how they go

490
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Speaker 4: selection wise, just on the tens, I don't know if,

491
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Speaker 4: as you say, you brought Josh Jacob up there. I

492
00:24:38,973 --> 00:24:43,413
Speaker 4: don't think you see much stylistical difference these days between

493
00:24:43,453 --> 00:24:47,053
Speaker 4: a boat and Barrett and a Damien Mackenzie. Perhaps Damien

494
00:24:47,093 --> 00:24:48,733
Speaker 4: offers a little bit more of a running threat, but

495
00:24:49,133 --> 00:24:52,653
Speaker 4: they're both players that like to take on the line

496
00:24:52,973 --> 00:24:56,653
Speaker 4: they'd like to kicking over the top and yeah, so

497
00:24:57,613 --> 00:24:59,373
Speaker 4: I think it's much of a muchness really which way

498
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Speaker 4: they go. It's more about what they could do upfront

499
00:25:02,093 --> 00:25:05,133
Speaker 4: and what they could potentially do outside and whether that's

500
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Speaker 4: going to make a difference.

501
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Speaker 3: Some of that kicking in Wellington appalling. You know there

502
00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:13,853
Speaker 3: was kicking over the top when there was space out wide,

503
00:25:13,973 --> 00:25:18,413
Speaker 3: there was Ardie Savvier's chip to no one. The kicking

504
00:25:18,493 --> 00:25:21,253
Speaker 3: strategy needs a real look at from the All Blacks.

505
00:25:21,693 --> 00:25:22,973
Speaker 3: If they're going to win this game, what do you

506
00:25:22,973 --> 00:25:26,133
Speaker 3: expect the Wilbies. You know they're gonna come across the

507
00:25:26,173 --> 00:25:29,853
Speaker 3: tasm with no fear. That won at Alis Park this year. Yes,

508
00:25:29,893 --> 00:25:32,453
Speaker 3: they lost their most recent outing, but it feels like

509
00:25:32,493 --> 00:25:35,693
Speaker 3: the Wallabies have sort of turned a corner and even

510
00:25:35,693 --> 00:25:39,813
Speaker 3: if they lose their last outing, they sort of reset

511
00:25:39,893 --> 00:25:41,413
Speaker 3: and go right, what can we do this week and

512
00:25:41,493 --> 00:25:44,293
Speaker 3: come in with a new strategy, new mindset. And I

513
00:25:44,333 --> 00:25:46,213
Speaker 3: don't think going to Eden Park, even though they haven't

514
00:25:46,213 --> 00:25:49,573
Speaker 3: lost there since nineteen eighty six, will bother them one iota.

515
00:25:50,653 --> 00:25:53,853
Speaker 2: No, I don't think they carry any mental baggage.

516
00:25:54,613 --> 00:25:59,653
Speaker 4: I have heard some suggestions to the contrary another broadcast,

517
00:25:59,813 --> 00:26:03,573
Speaker 4: But I think they come in their clean slate under

518
00:26:03,653 --> 00:26:07,013
Speaker 4: Joe Schmidt towards the back end of his tenure, leaving

519
00:26:07,053 --> 00:26:11,173
Speaker 4: after the Rugby Championship with a great deal of confidence

520
00:26:11,293 --> 00:26:14,693
Speaker 4: that there is a All Blacks team there that are

521
00:26:14,973 --> 00:26:19,293
Speaker 4: far from their best and can be exposed if you

522
00:26:19,733 --> 00:26:22,813
Speaker 4: pressure them in the right ways. It will be interesting

523
00:26:22,893 --> 00:26:24,853
Speaker 4: to see how they play, because I don't think they'll

524
00:26:24,853 --> 00:26:28,453
Speaker 4: play any anywhere like the Springboks do in terms of

525
00:26:28,533 --> 00:26:32,613
Speaker 4: their their aerial kicking game. Who the Wallabies commentator Sew

526
00:26:32,693 --> 00:26:35,093
Speaker 4: Maloney on with Jason Pine and Weekend Sports Newstalks the

527
00:26:35,213 --> 00:26:38,053
Speaker 4: b yesterday and sort of saying I don't think just

528
00:26:38,133 --> 00:26:41,693
Speaker 4: because South Africa offered you a blueprint of what you

529
00:26:41,813 --> 00:26:44,613
Speaker 4: can do to beat the All Blacks so convincingly that

530
00:26:44,733 --> 00:26:46,333
Speaker 4: you try and cut and paste that you have to

531
00:26:46,413 --> 00:26:49,613
Speaker 4: have the personnel required, So I don't think the kicking

532
00:26:49,693 --> 00:26:52,573
Speaker 4: game will be quite as prolific.

533
00:26:52,933 --> 00:26:54,133
Speaker 2: However, you look at.

534
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Speaker 4: Some of their outside backs if they can get them

535
00:26:56,213 --> 00:27:01,093
Speaker 4: good front football and Max Jorgensen and Joseph Suerley, even

536
00:27:01,133 --> 00:27:02,933
Speaker 4: Andrew Callaway at the back. It as a shame Tom

537
00:27:03,013 --> 00:27:06,293
Speaker 4: Ryder is injured, but they've got themselves a team, and

538
00:27:07,013 --> 00:27:09,093
Speaker 4: I think they come here with confidence, with a point

539
00:27:09,133 --> 00:27:13,133
Speaker 4: to prove, and with some coaching acumen and Joe Schmidt

540
00:27:13,213 --> 00:27:15,253
Speaker 4: and Mike Kron as well in terms of they'll know

541
00:27:15,373 --> 00:27:17,813
Speaker 4: exactly what it's like having been in that all back environment,

542
00:27:18,333 --> 00:27:21,693
Speaker 4: knowing how they'll be talking and preparing for this week

543
00:27:22,733 --> 00:27:25,893
Speaker 4: to throw some pictures at the All Blacks and make

544
00:27:25,933 --> 00:27:27,293
Speaker 4: them potentially uncomfortable.

545
00:27:27,293 --> 00:27:28,973
Speaker 2: I feel like the start is going to be important.

546
00:27:29,293 --> 00:27:31,533
Speaker 4: But as we've seen the Wallabies, I know they lost

547
00:27:31,613 --> 00:27:34,733
Speaker 4: last Sex, you're a second half team and if they

548
00:27:34,773 --> 00:27:37,893
Speaker 4: can even just stay with an arm's reach in the

549
00:27:38,013 --> 00:27:40,413
Speaker 4: first forty, we've seen how good they are coming home.

550
00:27:40,933 --> 00:27:44,653
Speaker 4: Whereas the All Blacks, I know they've maybe sorted out

551
00:27:44,653 --> 00:27:47,333
Speaker 4: a few things from minutes sixty one to eighty, but

552
00:27:47,413 --> 00:27:50,373
Speaker 4: as you and Liam have pointed out at nauseum the

553
00:27:50,493 --> 00:27:53,933
Speaker 4: twenty minutes after after half time, sorry, it's just turned

554
00:27:53,933 --> 00:27:58,813
Speaker 4: into a bit of a basket case. So yeah, look,

555
00:27:59,053 --> 00:28:01,893
Speaker 4: I'm not declaring the Wallabies favorites or anything like that,

556
00:28:02,213 --> 00:28:05,533
Speaker 4: but I think that we're in for a real ding

557
00:28:05,653 --> 00:28:09,613
Speaker 4: dong battle, which you know, I think this Rugby Championship

558
00:28:09,653 --> 00:28:14,013
Speaker 4: has offered for the first four rounds is outstanding from

559
00:28:14,613 --> 00:28:17,493
Speaker 4: just a pure excitement perspective that we've got this jeopardy

560
00:28:17,773 --> 00:28:20,533
Speaker 4: so often and Bledsoe Cup Test. It's like, right here

561
00:28:20,573 --> 00:28:23,613
Speaker 4: we go, we know the all blacks will be relatively comfortable.

562
00:28:23,613 --> 00:28:25,493
Speaker 3: There's none of that this week, certainly, isn't it right?

563
00:28:25,573 --> 00:28:27,893
Speaker 3: Quick break, come back talk Randfully Shield after this on

564
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Speaker 3: Rugby Directs.

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Speaker 1: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fans.

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Speaker 3: Every try try ten sixty second, every tackle tackle get

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Speaker 3: up again.

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Speaker 3: at Access Solutions. Will Nick you called this game on

571
00:28:54,613 --> 00:28:57,013
Speaker 3: the weekend thirty eight thirty six. O Tago take the

572
00:28:57,133 --> 00:29:01,093
Speaker 3: ran Furley Shield over Canterbury, whose defense did not last

573
00:29:01,293 --> 00:29:03,253
Speaker 3: long at all. It's gone around. I think this is

574
00:29:03,333 --> 00:29:06,333
Speaker 3: the fifth time it's had this season, the Ranfurly Shield.

575
00:29:06,853 --> 00:29:09,693
Speaker 3: But this was a remarkable come back. I was watching

576
00:29:09,733 --> 00:29:12,413
Speaker 3: it in our newsroom in thirty six twenty one. You

577
00:29:12,533 --> 00:29:14,373
Speaker 3: sort of consigned the game to the scrap peep. You

578
00:29:14,453 --> 00:29:17,653
Speaker 3: start writing up your stories for the bulletin and then

579
00:29:17,853 --> 00:29:23,653
Speaker 3: Otago just find something down to fourteen men and Canterbury

580
00:29:23,693 --> 00:29:26,733
Speaker 3: couldn't repel what they bought in that last or even

581
00:29:26,813 --> 00:29:29,173
Speaker 3: just a sort of twelve minute burst. They just came

582
00:29:29,213 --> 00:29:31,853
Speaker 3: out and put Canterbury to the sword and the Red

583
00:29:31,893 --> 00:29:33,253
Speaker 3: and Blacks had no response.

584
00:29:34,013 --> 00:29:36,213
Speaker 4: I think Canterbury were but like you, Elliott, they already

585
00:29:36,293 --> 00:29:39,413
Speaker 4: started reading their own match report that this was a

586
00:29:39,493 --> 00:29:43,013
Speaker 4: convincing defense of the shield with about twenty odd minutes

587
00:29:43,133 --> 00:29:46,693
Speaker 4: to go. Yeah, it was extraordinary the shift and momentum,

588
00:29:46,853 --> 00:29:49,053
Speaker 4: as you say, thirty six twenty one. But not only that,

589
00:29:49,173 --> 00:29:52,493
Speaker 4: losing will tucker Otago to a yellow card and you thought, I,

590
00:29:52,773 --> 00:29:55,213
Speaker 4: you know, one more try and this will this will

591
00:29:55,293 --> 00:30:00,213
Speaker 4: break Otago's resilience and you know, beyond what that would

592
00:30:00,213 --> 00:30:02,293
Speaker 4: have been, what a twenty point comeback from there. But

593
00:30:03,013 --> 00:30:07,893
Speaker 4: goodness me, they've got some talent down there. Lucas Casey.

594
00:30:08,733 --> 00:30:11,493
Speaker 4: I hadn't heard much about Lucas Casey prior to my

595
00:30:11,533 --> 00:30:16,453
Speaker 4: preparation for this game, and then read via the Otago

596
00:30:16,613 --> 00:30:18,773
Speaker 4: Daily Times he was their club player of the year,

597
00:30:18,973 --> 00:30:22,053
Speaker 4: the open side flanker. He scored thirteen tries in the

598
00:30:22,133 --> 00:30:25,973
Speaker 4: club season and he is a tremendous athlete and just

599
00:30:26,693 --> 00:30:29,773
Speaker 4: something out of nothing individual brilliance on both occasions. The

600
00:30:29,893 --> 00:30:33,493
Speaker 4: first try was very good to put a big fend

601
00:30:33,573 --> 00:30:35,453
Speaker 4: on shay Fee Huckey I believe it was and go

602
00:30:35,533 --> 00:30:38,093
Speaker 4: around to score. But the second is just one of

603
00:30:38,133 --> 00:30:41,053
Speaker 4: the individual tries off the season. The footwork, he was

604
00:30:41,093 --> 00:30:43,013
Speaker 4: like an outside back and he made I think it

605
00:30:43,093 --> 00:30:45,693
Speaker 4: was James White in the backfield, their last man standing

606
00:30:45,733 --> 00:30:49,413
Speaker 4: in defense, looked rather silly with the footwork. But not

607
00:30:49,573 --> 00:30:52,253
Speaker 4: only him, I thought Dylan Pledger. A lot has been

608
00:30:52,293 --> 00:30:55,853
Speaker 4: made about this young halfback, his distribution, his decision making.

609
00:30:57,093 --> 00:30:58,853
Speaker 4: He's not only a player for the future, he's a

610
00:30:58,893 --> 00:31:01,773
Speaker 4: player for now, like he is a serious talent. And

611
00:31:02,773 --> 00:31:04,813
Speaker 4: Cameron Miller, I know he's been around a week while,

612
00:31:04,893 --> 00:31:07,013
Speaker 4: but I thought we were talking earlier about Josh Jacob

613
00:31:07,093 --> 00:31:09,573
Speaker 4: and Ten's who just can troll the tempo, make the

614
00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:13,453
Speaker 4: right decisions and can goal kick as well. That was

615
00:31:13,453 --> 00:31:16,533
Speaker 4: a big kick to put Otago ahead thirty eight thirty six.

616
00:31:16,653 --> 00:31:21,013
Speaker 4: So congratulations to the men from the Deep South, not

617
00:31:21,093 --> 00:31:25,133
Speaker 4: quite the deep Deep South, but from Dunedin and the surrounds,

618
00:31:25,173 --> 00:31:27,213
Speaker 4: because they thoroughly deserve that.

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Speaker 2: And now the Ramfilly Shield goes again. How many weeks

620
00:31:30,813 --> 00:31:31,253
Speaker 2: in a row.

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Speaker 4: North Harbor, my beloved Harbor's got a challenge on Saturday.

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00:31:36,173 --> 00:31:38,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, this must be a record for most consecutive challenges.

623
00:31:39,013 --> 00:31:42,533
Speaker 3: It's been ridiculous over the last what's six seven weeks.

624
00:31:42,613 --> 00:31:44,853
Speaker 3: It feels like it's just been non stop. Usually you

625
00:31:44,973 --> 00:31:47,933
Speaker 3: get a a week to celebrate depending on how the

626
00:31:48,053 --> 00:31:50,733
Speaker 3: draw falls. That's quite handy, you know, you go away,

627
00:31:50,853 --> 00:31:53,253
Speaker 3: have a away game and maybe lose that by twenty

628
00:31:53,293 --> 00:31:55,773
Speaker 3: points and then come back and the celebrations are done.

629
00:31:55,813 --> 00:31:57,613
Speaker 3: You can focus on your shield defense. But it has

630
00:31:57,733 --> 00:32:00,733
Speaker 3: just been relentless. The Ramfilly Shield and the way it's

631
00:32:00,773 --> 00:32:02,773
Speaker 3: moved around the season and the number of challenges.

632
00:32:03,173 --> 00:32:04,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've loved it personally.

633
00:32:04,613 --> 00:32:06,933
Speaker 4: I don't think it's taken the gloss off a Ranfilly

634
00:32:06,973 --> 00:32:11,573
Speaker 4: shield rain all. And just from a historic standpoint, the

635
00:32:11,653 --> 00:32:15,053
Speaker 4: fact that it's gone through five sets of hands Tartanaki, Waikato, Southland,

636
00:32:15,093 --> 00:32:19,693
Speaker 4: Canterbury and Otago hadn't been done since nineteen fifty, which

637
00:32:19,853 --> 00:32:22,053
Speaker 4: really sort of puts it in perspective. I know there

638
00:32:22,133 --> 00:32:23,613
Speaker 4: was a period there in the eighties where I think

639
00:32:23,613 --> 00:32:27,173
Speaker 4: it only changed hands once between Auckland and Canterbury, but.

640
00:32:28,653 --> 00:32:30,933
Speaker 2: There's still a mystique, a magic.

641
00:32:31,173 --> 00:32:31,333
Speaker 4: You know.

642
00:32:31,533 --> 00:32:33,733
Speaker 2: Tasman went very close the week before.

643
00:32:34,333 --> 00:32:37,613
Speaker 4: It's really hard to defend because each team once they

644
00:32:37,733 --> 00:32:40,933
Speaker 4: see they've got a challenge, particularly when it's an unexpected

645
00:32:41,013 --> 00:32:42,973
Speaker 4: one that's come out of nowhere, that wasn't there at

646
00:32:42,973 --> 00:32:45,893
Speaker 4: the beginning when the schedule first came out, you can

647
00:32:46,053 --> 00:32:48,813
Speaker 4: just see it creates a real lift to be part

648
00:32:48,853 --> 00:32:52,253
Speaker 4: of something special. And that's what has been the case

649
00:32:52,333 --> 00:32:56,613
Speaker 4: for these these respective four teams who we've seen it

650
00:32:56,733 --> 00:32:58,853
Speaker 4: change hands so far this season. Who knows we could

651
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Speaker 4: have the fifth changing of hands this week. And then

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Speaker 4: I just had a weird glance at the draw. It's unlikely,

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00:33:05,613 --> 00:33:07,813
Speaker 4: let's be honest, there o in eight Harbor, but one

654
00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:10,013
Speaker 4: can dream. But if Harbor win it, then they've got

655
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Speaker 4: to put it on the line the final week of

656
00:33:11,333 --> 00:33:15,373
Speaker 4: the round robin against Southland. So the Mirry Go Round,

657
00:33:15,453 --> 00:33:18,613
Speaker 4: the Ranfilly Shield Merry Go Round is alive and well

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Speaker 4: this season that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: What chance do you give North Harbor? I mean and

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Speaker 3: h I thought they played pretty well for periods against

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Speaker 3: Northland in that game over the weekend, but weren't good

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Speaker 3: enough to warn considered very late penalty to lose that game.

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Speaker 3: But do you give them a shot of going down

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Speaker 3: to Dunedin. You know, maybe you know there's been a

665
00:33:36,293 --> 00:33:41,413
Speaker 3: week on the Gold mid LALs from a target perspective,

666
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Speaker 3: maybe Harbor can hid down there fresh and catch them

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Speaker 3: on the hop.

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Speaker 4: Never say never, however, it's pretty hard to bet against Otago,

669
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Speaker 4: isn't it. And I heard Mark Brown, their head coach,

670
00:33:55,053 --> 00:34:00,253
Speaker 4: speaking with Piney again yesterday on Sunday, and you know

671
00:34:00,373 --> 00:34:02,373
Speaker 4: he mentioned not only is it important in terms of

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00:34:02,413 --> 00:34:03,973
Speaker 4: putting the ram for the shield away from the summer,

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00:34:04,013 --> 00:34:07,653
Speaker 4: it's Liam Coltman's one hundredth game Targo. So I don't

674
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Speaker 4: think they're going to be acking any inspiration. So look,

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Speaker 4: I think it would be quite the miracle if North

676
00:34:16,653 --> 00:34:19,453
Speaker 4: Harbor get it done. But just a word on Harbor,

677
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Speaker 4: and I know, you know, the competitiveness of the NPC

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00:34:22,733 --> 00:34:25,493
Speaker 4: has been very impressive actually this season and the fact

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00:34:25,493 --> 00:34:28,933
Speaker 4: that Northland, you know, eightieth minute penalty, they're now five

680
00:34:29,013 --> 00:34:31,773
Speaker 4: wins from eight after that went over Harbor. But there

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Speaker 4: eighth on the ladder like this, you know that top

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00:34:33,973 --> 00:34:37,333
Speaker 4: eight everyone sort of beating everyone as good as Canterbury

683
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Speaker 4: have been. I think it's still a pretty wide open competition.

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Speaker 4: But just on Harbor, I do admire teams or provinces

685
00:34:44,133 --> 00:34:47,573
Speaker 4: that really back their club program. You know they haven't

686
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Speaker 4: imported far and beyond. But this is the reality of

687
00:34:53,253 --> 00:34:56,813
Speaker 4: that decision in its infancy, you know, when you've got

688
00:34:56,893 --> 00:34:58,493
Speaker 4: to go all in now for at least a few

689
00:34:58,573 --> 00:35:01,173
Speaker 4: years to give these guys out of the club program

690
00:35:01,853 --> 00:35:05,533
Speaker 4: some regular time in MPC, because if you just sort

691
00:35:05,533 --> 00:35:08,013
Speaker 4: of chop and change or important and then go club

692
00:35:08,133 --> 00:35:11,173
Speaker 4: or not quite get the balance right, you're not going

693
00:35:11,253 --> 00:35:14,693
Speaker 4: to make the ground. But yeah, fingers crossed for all

694
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Speaker 4: those the people from Warkworth to Tackapona that we might

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Speaker 4: have something special.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there'll be a few flying down to try

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Speaker 3: and get that shield home. Nick Buley, thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for your time on Rugby Direct this week. Appreciate

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Speaker 3: it as always and look forward to catching up again soon.

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Speaker 3: And you're joining us on Rugby Director just quickly.

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Speaker 4: I know Liam would have wanted to mention the Wellington

702
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Speaker 4: Southland score.

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Speaker 3: Any thoughts there, Well, I'll talk about Southland because they're

704
00:35:45,453 --> 00:35:49,173
Speaker 3: back con seeded fifty plus. In their last three artings

705
00:35:49,173 --> 00:35:52,893
Speaker 3: since winning the Shield they have been counties, so Canterbury

706
00:35:52,933 --> 00:35:55,053
Speaker 3: first Counties and then Wellington on the weekend.

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Speaker 2: That's taybollical. It's some hangover, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is, it really is. But no, congratulations

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Speaker 3: to Wellington. Good to see them in the top eight

710
00:36:03,013 --> 00:36:05,533
Speaker 3: so I think the eighth now, so it's great for them.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Leam might join us back into the

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Speaker 3: week once he arrives back from his trop travels and

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Speaker 3: gets back on the ground here in Auckland. But thank

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Speaker 3: you as always Bules for joining us on RUGB Direct

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