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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, it is seven after four. Great to have

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Speaker 2: your company think carefully before prosecuting Mary. That's what these

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Speaker 2: solicitor general instructed our prosecutors. So why is she you turning?

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Speaker 2: She's with me after five? David Seymour on that beef

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Speaker 2: with Winston Peters over the fairies, plus a terrorism charge

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Speaker 2: for the bumbling Kiwig Hardy Bryan Bridge. Kudos this afternoon

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Speaker 2: to two Tartanaki councils for minding their own damn business,

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Speaker 2: staying in their lane as they should be. This week

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Speaker 2: the Tartanaki Regional Council shut down a debate which some

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Speaker 2: because what have they got to do with it? Some

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Speaker 2: is not a political body. It's basically an environmental council

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Speaker 2: Stay in your lane. Besides, Hamas and net in Yahoo

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Speaker 2: never forget to forget this. When GoF was in charge,

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Speaker 2: they started debating, ferociously debating a United Nations resolution at

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Speaker 2: When you're busy chit chatting about global politics, you're not

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Speaker 2: that people, the ones we end up electing to council

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, it's annoying. It's a waste of time and oxygen.

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Speaker 2: And all the while our infrastructure rots, our rubbish collections

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Speaker 2: Ten after four news talk said be military personnel have

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Speaker 2: He's from Mission home Front and he's with me this afternoon. Hayden,

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Speaker 2: thanks for being with me. How many military personnel are

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Speaker 3: But the Defense Force responded to the letter that we

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Speaker 2: They were offered as zero percent pay increase. Can you

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Speaker 2: So no one in the military, you know, in the

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Speaker 3: That, absolutely, of course they will. But this is a

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Speaker 2: You recently, you told our producer recently left the defense

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Speaker 3: I don't want to make this about me, but I

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Speaker 2: So why are you speaking out on behalf of those

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Speaker 3: So there's a series of legislative and legal rules that

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Speaker 3: So the net result is that there's no one discussing,

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Speaker 3: And that's the gap that myself and my co founder,

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Speaker 2: All right, Hayden, thanks very much for your time. Appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: Hayden Ricketts Wo's got out of the military himself because

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Speaker 2: Some firefighting roles. You can't just leave those roles unfilled

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Alan drive with one New Zealand Let's get

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Speaker 2: Eighteen after four news talks, there'd be lots of your

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Speaker 6: But doesn't canceled Christmas now they're.

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Speaker 2: Going to have to work potentially on Christmas Day. Darcy

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Speaker 6: Good advice there too. If you're involved in the tab

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Speaker 6: So it's going to get picked. New Zealand two dollars ten,

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Speaker 6: England a dollar eighty seven. I thought England would be

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Speaker 6: It won't be a draw. That's twelve dollars. I mean,

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Speaker 6: the first and came. Williamson is paying four dollars. But

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Speaker 6: I would suggest probably revenge of it because he's his due.

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Speaker 6: I'd say in that all right, But the RA team

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Speaker 6: plainly bet responsibly, but get amongst and don't bet more

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Speaker 2: Key brilliant, Thank you. Let's go to Papa New Guinea.

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Speaker 2: They're getting an NRL team.

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Speaker 6: Been on the cars for quite some time. It's all

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Speaker 6: Guinea government. With the investment of the funding, they're basically

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Speaker 6: building a wall between themselves in China. Give them a

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Speaker 6: league team, We'll give you ahold of money. And it's

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Speaker 6: so very politically motivated. But in saying that in Stephen Price,

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Speaker 6: former Warriort and Australian league player, joints us on the

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Speaker 6: show tonight, thus so passionate. It is the number one

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Speaker 6: sport in the Papua New Guinea Rugby league. Nothing else

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Speaker 2: It's a bit of soft power pushing to New Guinea.

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Speaker 6: Now they're mad for it, mate, they really are. The

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Speaker 6: There's still two spots left, so I we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're really mixing sport and politics tonight, don't you.

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need,

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Speaker 2: a second. Right now, there's an interesting article in The Guardian,

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Speaker 2: to your diet. Twenty three away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on newstalks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be drive poor old Albanese can't catch a break

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Speaker 7: Some may complain, what is the use of investing substance

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Speaker 1: In PMNG and Peter Texas in Australia, and so it

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Speaker 2: The Syrian interim Prime Minister Mohammad Albashire has promised to

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Speaker 8: The door remains open for all employees, except for those

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Speaker 2: Finally, let's go to the States. Firefighters in Cleveland have

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Speaker 2: come to the rescue of an engagement photo shoot. Happy couple,

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Speaker 2: Nikki and Corey were taking engagement photos in a park

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Speaker 10: To wipe it off, and when I wiped it off,

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Speaker 10: my ring flew off, and you just heard it to tang, to.

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Speaker 2: Tang, to tang. The ring went straight down the drain

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Speaker 12: Definitely gave us the assurance that We're going to get

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Speaker 1: International Correspondents with ns and I Insurance peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: be like, that's your life problem, not mine. Go and

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Speaker 2: One away from five Now, let's go to Murray Old's

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Speaker 2: Australia Correspondence. Murray, great to have you on. How's that

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Speaker 4: Look, it depends who you listen to. That'll be some

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Speaker 4: hundred million dollars in a rugby league team. Albanese says

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Speaker 4: the deal's about sport, economic development and of course in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting but hard one to sell though. I'd imagine

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Speaker 4: Play ragby league in Queensland as well, and you know

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Speaker 2: Unemployments down, It is down, yeah, and it's.

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Speaker 4: Kind of basically caught everybody by surprise. Unemployment in November

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Speaker 4: This is exactly what they didn't want. The Reserve Bank

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Speaker 4: wants to see unemployment tick up a bit because that

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Speaker 4: will then take pressure off inflation as long as inflation

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Speaker 4: is The Reserve Banks made it very clear inflation is

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Speaker 4: the dragon that must be slay. And you know, more

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Speaker 4: people and work more pay packets, slashing around on the

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Speaker 4: economy is not going to ragin in inflation into any

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Speaker 4: large degree at all. So it's just one of the

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Speaker 4: factors the Reserve Banker were looking at in February.

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Speaker 2: When it next meets some bloody, stubborn dragon, you've got

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Speaker 2: over there, isn't it, hey, my work. Obesity has overtaken

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Speaker 2: Murray tobacco as the number one health risk in Australia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the number one preventable health problem facing Australia.

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Speaker 4: This is the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare report

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Speaker 4: that's published. It's twenty twenty four reports called Burden of Disease.

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Speaker 4: And look, it's the leading risk factor over here is

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Speaker 4: now being fat, being overweight. Obesity, it has overtaken tobacco.

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Speaker 4: Tobacco smoking rates are being driven down over the last

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Speaker 4: twenty thirty years, you know, to the point where it

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Speaker 4: is quite frankly, it's rare to see people smoking. I mean,

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Speaker 4: sure people do keep smoking, but it's very rare compared

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Speaker 4: to you know, twenty or thirty years ago. So it's

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Speaker 4: place obesity and people are dying early from a whole

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Speaker 4: bunch of different diseases related to obesity. You've got you know,

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Speaker 4: basic heart disease. If you're overweight, you know, and nobody's exercising.

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Speaker 4: That's the big problem eating unhealthy food. There's no basically,

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Speaker 4: you know, where's the stat I'm looking for? Here we

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Speaker 4: are five point eight million years of healthy life have

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Speaker 4: been lost because people are dying early from this obesity

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Speaker 4: related diseases. The people out there looking out for the stuff,

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Speaker 4: they're saying we have to protect children from marketing of

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Speaker 4: unhealthy foods. That you know, tax on sugary drinks, well,

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Speaker 4: you know, no politician will back that, or no, they'll

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Speaker 4: make drinks more expensive. But they want five star ratings

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Speaker 4: on all packaged foods. You know, the ratings you see,

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Speaker 4: you know, one to five on cereal boxes and the like,

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Speaker 4: improve how baby and toddler foods are made and marketed.

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Speaker 4: So there's a whole bunch of things I'd love to see.

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Speaker 4: Whether or not the political class embraces these things remains

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Speaker 4: to be seen. But being overweight over here is a

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Speaker 4: natural problem and it's only getting bigger.

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Speaker 2: Partner, Yeah, goodness to me, Murray, thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for that. Murray Olds, Australia correspondent, just gone sixteen away

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Speaker 2: from five. The moral of the story. I guess put

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Speaker 2: down the burger and get back on the fags. Can't

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Speaker 2: say that obviously not official advice.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments. Curtainday.

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Speaker 2: Let's check in with politics now. It is fourteen minutes

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Speaker 2: away from five news talks. They'd be very Soper, Senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondence with us in Wellington today. Get a berry, a.

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Speaker 11: Ryan, I thought i'd better come down to the capital

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Speaker 11: to see what the air was like following the non

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Speaker 11: decision on the fairies yesterday. And I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 11: you could cut the air with a knife. I think.

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Speaker 11: I don't think I've seen the challenge that this coalition

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Speaker 11: has faced as big as this one. They're all talking

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Speaker 11: at cross purposes. I mean Winston Peter's the new Minister

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Speaker 11: of rail. He's been street seeing the mess that privatization

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Speaker 11: in the past led New Zealand Rail to David Seymour,

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Speaker 11: he's been hailing the partial privatization. He says up to

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Speaker 11: forty nine percent should be flogged off to private enterprise.

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Speaker 11: You'll remember, of course, Ryan, the name Ed Burkett, won't you.

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Speaker 2: He was the previous Minister of Railways.

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Speaker 11: No, he wasn't the minister. He was the owner of

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Speaker 11: Wisconsin Rail that came in and bought New Zealand Rail

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Speaker 11: in nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 2: And oh, come on, Barry, I was barely born at

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Speaker 2: that point.

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Speaker 11: Exactly and know exactly. That's that's why I knew it

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Speaker 11: was a very unfair test. But look ed Burkett, that

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Speaker 11: was the last time it was privatized. Was brought back

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Speaker 11: by the government because it was an absolute debarcle. And

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Speaker 11: really interestingly, if you see the exchanges between Winston Peters

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Speaker 11: and David Seymour at the moment he was being interviewed today,

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Speaker 11: Winston Peters was he said, you're talking to the minister

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Speaker 11: in charge, not the minister who is not in charge.

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Speaker 11: And he said of Seymore he's wrong with the figures

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Speaker 11: he used, he's wrong on the question of privatization, and

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Speaker 11: he's wrong on the question of what it's going to cost. Now,

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Speaker 11: the new Minister of Rail he was caught, i've got

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Speaker 11: to say, flat footed in Parliament this afternoon when he

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Speaker 11: was asked to respond to what the Prime Minister had

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Speaker 11: been telling the media and live in today his Labor's

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Speaker 11: tangi Uttaki to Winston Peters in the House this afternoon.

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Speaker 13: Is the Prime Minister correct when he said today? But

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Speaker 13: for right now we've got a good solution and if

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Speaker 13: we can improve on it, great and if not we

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Speaker 13: move forward with that solution.

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Speaker 4: If not, why not?

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Speaker 14: Well again, I have to confess that I did not

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Speaker 14: hear the Prime ministers say that, and until I do,

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Speaker 14: I will not confirm what I should make of it,

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Speaker 14: other than to say the Prime Minister is in the

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Speaker 14: best possible space at this point in time because he

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Speaker 14: has got the main solution a united government that is

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Speaker 14: setting out to correct a grievous fiscal wrong.

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Speaker 13: Has Cabinet already confirmed a preferred replacement option for the

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Speaker 13: cook straight fairies?

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Speaker 8: If so, what is it?

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Speaker 11: The answer that question is no, Yeah, I think they

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Speaker 11: were on the verge of announcing it. Yes, they had

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Speaker 11: a plan in place, and our role mate Winston came

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Speaker 11: and pulled the plug and said, look, I can get

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Speaker 11: a better deal than that. I can get a roll on,

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Speaker 11: roll off fairies for rail and that's what he's going after.

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Speaker 11: So I'll tell you what This is going to be

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Speaker 11: the biggest test that Winston Peters has faced in this government.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of the balls and has caught. Really,

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Speaker 2: isn't it the Multi Party? What's going on here? The

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Speaker 2: Multi party advocating against police action on the gangs. Oh,

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Speaker 2: but it's sort of.

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Speaker 11: Their raison detra defending gangs at the moment that young

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Speaker 11: woman who made the parker might be Clark. She was

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Speaker 11: asking the Minister of Police today if he accepted the

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Speaker 11: find into the New Zealand Police that there was essentially

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Speaker 11: structural racism in the falls. Well, Casey Costello was standing

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Speaker 11: in for Mark Mitchell today and she said that the

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Speaker 11: rhetoric being used about the police by the Maldi party

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Speaker 11: when it comes to gangs is just unacceptable. Here's Costello, Well, and.

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Speaker 15: It is a disservice to them to have a narrative

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Speaker 15: that suggests our police are anything but the consummate professionals.

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Speaker 15: They are the fourteen percent of New Zealand police that

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Speaker 15: are themselves Mary.

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Speaker 4: What is ignored in this.

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Speaker 15: Narrative is the sixteen percent of victims who are themselves.

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Speaker 1: Mary.

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Speaker 16: Does he think that it is appropriate for armed police

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Speaker 16: to barricade the road and intimidate and harass Barno attending

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Speaker 16: the tonguey of a loved one to enforce the gang

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Speaker 16: patch back.

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Speaker 15: I think that is a very wrong and flawed reflection

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Speaker 15: of the response of police at Marti Tungy.

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Speaker 11: The old gangs have certainly got a voice in Parliament

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Speaker 11: at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Ryan, what about hairdressers, some regulations is going to be

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Speaker 2: looking at at their operations? What's that about?

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Speaker 11: Well, you know it's the Minister of Regulation of course,

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Speaker 11: or removing it. David Seymour, he's on the wallpath now.

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Speaker 11: He reckons that hairdressers are facing unnecessary regulations. And I

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Speaker 11: think you I wouldn't know this because I don't go,

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Speaker 11: but you would.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 11: I'm sure you've had a tipple tonsorial tipple in the

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Speaker 11: barbershop or the hairdresser, Ryan, from time to time. Well,

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Speaker 11: let's against regulations. We're not allowed to be offered a

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Speaker 11: drink by a hairdresser. Also, dogs are prohibited other than

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Speaker 11: guy dogs. And so he's wanting to bring, he says,

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Speaker 11: hairdressing into the twenty first century, and he's going to

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Speaker 11: be removing regulations under a review that's expected to be

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Speaker 11: completed in the first quarter of next year.

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Speaker 2: Goodness, May, how did they used to cut here back

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Speaker 2: in the day when you last went Barry?

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Speaker 11: I can't remember Ryan.

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Speaker 2: And Candaean's very quickly find that Candican's coming here basically

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Speaker 2: because the Aussies banned because they didn't like what she said,

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Speaker 2: and we banned it because they had banned her. And

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Speaker 2: now we've unbanned her.

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Speaker 11: You've absolutely got it in won. I just think New

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Speaker 11: Zealand has shown that it can stand on its own.

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Speaker 11: If people don't like Candice Omes, don't go and listen

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Speaker 11: to her. But you know, the Freedom of Speech Union

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Speaker 11: of course is hailing this is a great success and

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Speaker 11: for the freedom of speech at most certain years.

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Speaker 2: Barrrisoper, thank you very much. Great to have you on

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Speaker 2: as always, Barrisoaper's senior political correspondent with US Live from

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Speaker 2: Wellington seven to five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 1: The new Minister for Rail is Winston Peter.

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Speaker 15: This has been reported that Nikola Willis has actually hammered

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Speaker 15: out a deal.

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Speaker 1: But those fairies are not rail enabled and you want

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Speaker 1: a chance to try and better her deal? Is that?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Has she hammered out a deal though

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Speaker 1: there is no deal with Stana Roo? Third time no?

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Speaker 1: So where is the nine hundred million dollars coming from then,

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Speaker 1: Well for somebody.

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Speaker 14: Doing guess work and being repeted by the mainstream media.

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Speaker 1: Has she said it for Scoo Envelope said you've got

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Speaker 1: nine hundred millions again it's not true. Tell us how

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Speaker 1: much money you've got and said it right?

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Speaker 14: Well, now, why would I possibly do that to rush

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Speaker 14: out the same What we're going to buy them for

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Speaker 14: is to set the bottom price from which the chip

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Speaker 14: billers will start increasing their profits. And we're not going

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Speaker 14: to make those of the mistakes.

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Speaker 1: Hither Duplessy Allen on the Mike Hosking Breakfasts back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: at six am with the Jaguar f base on Newstalks dB.

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Speaker 2: And David Seymour will respond to all of that after

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Speaker 2: six on the program. Here at this evening, just to

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Speaker 2: fill you in on something that's happening in the life

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Speaker 2: of just Cinda Adoune Wait for it. There is a

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Speaker 2: documentary coming to screen. This one is not made before

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Speaker 2: anyone gets two Alarmed, not made with any film commission money,

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Speaker 2: but it seems that she's very much involved with it.

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Speaker 2: A stamp of approval at the very least. It's directed

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Speaker 2: by Kii based director Michelle Walsh and a Mary can

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Speaker 2: editor Lindsay. It's here's the directors talking about it.

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Speaker 5: This is a once in a lifetime film to have

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Speaker 5: this kind of access to a world leader. During the

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Speaker 5: five years that just send a spent in office, we

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Speaker 5: had so much good material to look at and evaluate,

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Speaker 5: not only the incredibly intimate footage that Clark her husband captured,

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Speaker 5: but also these classified audio diaries that gave us a

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Speaker 5: glimpse into what she was feeling in the moment during

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Speaker 5: her time in office.

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Speaker 2: That footage, by the way, just Sinder working in bed,

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Speaker 2: working while rocking knave and shushing the baby. Apparently one

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Speaker 2: of the producers listed for the documentary one Clark Gayford,

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Speaker 2: the other Gg Pritzki. She's an American billionaire, very powerful

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Speaker 2: family the hotels. So there you guy. There'll be something

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Speaker 2: to watch this Christmas like this. Three away from five

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Speaker 2: News Talks, there'd be the Solicitor General up next.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Who Ian bred John here the duplessy Ellen Drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand Let's get connected news talk as they'd.

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Speaker 2: Be good evening. It is seven after five, the Solicitor

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Speaker 2: General performing a u turn on her prosecution guidelines. You

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Speaker 2: remember the story. The new guidelines were originally published back

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Speaker 2: in October and they instructed prosecutors like our police to

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Speaker 2: quote think carefully about particular decisions where a person is mardy.

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Speaker 2: After a huge pushback, the government's top lawyer has now

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Speaker 2: scrapped any reference to treating Marty differently. Erne Jegosi Kse

657
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Speaker 2: is the Solicitor General and she very rarely speaks to media,

658
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Speaker 2: but has agreed to speak to us this afternoon. Thank

659
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Speaker 2: you very much for coming on the show. Can I

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Speaker 2: start with the initial guidelines? What exactly did you get wrong?

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Speaker 17: The introduction to the original guidelines really unclear about what

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Speaker 17: I meant when I referenced the fact that Mary are

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Speaker 17: disproportionately disproportionately represented in the criminal justice of them. That

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Speaker 17: was a part of the context of reviewing the guidelines,

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Speaker 17: and in the introduction to the first ones in October,

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Speaker 17: it was really unclearly written and it led people to

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Speaker 17: understand that I was saying there are two different approaches,

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Speaker 17: one for Mary and one for everybody else. That was

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Speaker 17: quite the opposite to what I was intending to say,

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Speaker 17: and I could see with the public commentary and from

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Speaker 17: people who wrote in that there was real confusion about

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Speaker 17: that and too important criminal justice system has to be

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Speaker 17: understood and seen as a place where decisions are made

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Speaker 17: fairly and transparently for everyone. It was too important a

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Speaker 17: point I couldn't leave it. I decided to take it

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Speaker 17: down to make the point more clearly, which I've done.

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Speaker 2: When you wrote, think carefully about particular particular decisions where

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Speaker 2: a person is Maudi, what did you mean?

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Speaker 17: Well, that was a reference unclear, as I say, to

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Speaker 17: the context the fact that Mariya portunately represented in our

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Speaker 17: criminal justice system.

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Speaker 2: And the problem you're saying, think carefully because they're overrepresented

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Speaker 2: in the system, think carefully about whether you prosecute them.

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Speaker 17: Well, that's the error and the lack of clarity in

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Speaker 17: that introduction. That's why I took it down, because people

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Speaker 17: were asking this very questions, what do you mean? And

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Speaker 17: when I looked at it in light of that commentary,

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Speaker 17: I could see that I hadn't done as well as

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Speaker 17: I should have in landing that point.

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Speaker 2: So everyone introduction, everyone's interpreted it wrong. But what did

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Speaker 2: you actually mean when you wrote that, well, as the.

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Speaker 17: Introduction now says, part of our context that we are

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Speaker 17: in is that, in fact, Martia is proportionately represented in

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Speaker 17: the criminal justice system. It's plainly part of the context.

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Speaker 17: What that requires from prosecutors is for real clarity about

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Speaker 17: the individual in front of them. It doesn't matter what

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Speaker 17: groups they are and whether they are in a group

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Speaker 17: that is misrepresented so disproportionately represented. They need to think

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Speaker 17: about how does that person come to be here? What

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Speaker 17: is there background, their characteristics, their history, how do we

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Speaker 17: understand their culpability for what's happened. It's that that must

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Speaker 17: be understood to be the key of the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 4: Does it?

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't the key be are they guilty? Do I have

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Speaker 2: enough evidence against them?

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Speaker 17: Certainly that is part of it, Isn't that?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that foundational? I mean, isn't that the most important

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Speaker 2: thing for a prosecutor to get?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Do I have the right person with enough evidence to

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Speaker 2: convict them sitting in front of me?

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Speaker 8: Not?

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Speaker 2: What color are they? What school did they go to?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 17: So, there are two parts to that test. One is

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Speaker 17: the evidential sufficiency test, as you've just been describing, Have

717
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Speaker 17: I got enough here to bring this charge. And the

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Speaker 17: second question that prosecutor has to also ask is is

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Speaker 17: it in the public interest to prosecute There's always been

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Speaker 17: the case that not every crime is prosecuted, and also

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Speaker 17: not every clim is responded to by prosecution. They might

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Speaker 17: be alternatives. There might be penalties or fines or alternative processes.

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Speaker 2: Right, but I guess, I guess what stage does somebody's

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Speaker 2: race or background play into either of those? I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's say, you know, why would it not be in

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Speaker 2: the public interest to prosecute some Okay, look, someone has

727
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Speaker 2: stolen the car. There's there's a multi person and there's

728
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Speaker 2: an Indian person. They're both stolen a car. Why would

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Speaker 2: why would police prosecute one over the and not the other?

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Speaker 2: Why would you even mention racing these guidelines period, Well, you.

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Speaker 17: Are just putting to me that error and the way

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Speaker 17: I had described it the first time around. If you

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Speaker 17: see the second time around and our guidelines, they don't

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Speaker 17: make this point. So they say that what is relevant

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Speaker 17: is that individual circumstances, what has happened to them to

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Speaker 17: bring them to here, not not what race they are.

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Speaker 17: That is not part of a guideline at all.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned in the new guidelines about bias that people

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Speaker 2: should be aware of their bias and their biases. What

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Speaker 2: exactly are you getting at there?

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Speaker 17: Well, decision makers have to always be careful to understand

742
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Speaker 17: that they might inadvertently be making biased decisions, whether it's

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Speaker 17: on the basis of the gender of the person in

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Speaker 17: front of them, their upbringing, it might be a race bias,

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Speaker 17: or manner of places in which bias can take effect

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Speaker 17: in our decision making. So we want agencies and prosecutors

747
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Speaker 17: to be thinking, how do I test? How can I

748
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Speaker 17: check that I'm making the most clear and fair decision.

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Speaker 17: That's why we suggest things like care of views and

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Speaker 17: some blind testing of decision making to make sure that

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Speaker 17: it is the facts in front of you that are

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Speaker 17: driving your decision making.

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Speaker 2: Are our prosecutors right now prosecuting innocent people on the

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Speaker 2: basis of bias?

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Speaker 17: I doubt that. I'm not sure where that question is

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Speaker 17: coming from. I doubt that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're telling our prosecutors that they need to be

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Speaker 2: aware of their bias before making decisions to prosecute. I'm

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Speaker 2: asking you, are they making wrong decisions based on bias

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Speaker 2: right now? Are we prosecuting innocent people on the basis

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Speaker 2: of their color or their gender.

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Speaker 17: Well, the guidelines sort of listening points to guidelines. Sorry,

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Speaker 17: the guidelines aren't about helping people make in their own processes.

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Speaker 17: And these apply to more than forty different prosecuting agencies.

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Speaker 4: I know that.

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Speaker 2: But their guidelines, they're guidelines designed to help people make

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Speaker 2: better decisions. What I'm asking is, are we not making

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Speaker 2: the right decisions right now? Is that why you need

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Speaker 2: to include this as a guideline.

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Speaker 17: I don't agree with that proposition. I mean, the guidelines

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Speaker 17: are about helping good decision making. They say nothing about

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Speaker 17: decisions that have already been made. That's what the courts do.

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Speaker 17: They determine whether or not the charge that's brought made

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Speaker 17: out or not.

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Speaker 2: Has The reason these guidelines have been changed got anything

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Speaker 2: to do with Judith Collins in her you know, she

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Speaker 2: didn't write the foreword to the last lot and she

778
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Speaker 2: spoke out or she didn't speak out strongly against them,

779
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Speaker 2: but she hinted that she'd like you to go back

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Speaker 2: and have a look at them. Is that what prompted this?

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Speaker 17: Well, it's not as sort of conspiratorial as you might

782
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Speaker 17: be suggesting. We didn't ask the attorney to make a

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Speaker 17: forward for the first set of guidelines this year. We

784
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Speaker 17: thought that better reflected that the statute says it's a

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Speaker 17: lister general function. But no, the decision was mine when

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Speaker 17: I heard and saw the public misunderstanding of it was

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Speaker 17: really critical point. The criminal law must apply to the

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Speaker 17: person as they present in their own individual circumstances, not

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Speaker 17: to a group. So when I saw that that was

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Speaker 17: a misunderstanding people were writing to our office as well

791
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Speaker 17: as public comment, I realized that I need to start again,

792
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Speaker 17: not start again, so to take them down and to

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Speaker 17: make that absolutely clear what was being said. So that's

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Speaker 17: what I've done, all right, and.

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Speaker 2: I thank you very much for your time. That's energy

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Speaker 2: goos to kse She is our Solicitor General, the government's

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Speaker 2: top lawyer, Ryan Bridge. Just on quarter past five, so

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Speaker 2: the Speaker, the Labour parties lost confidence in the Speaker

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Speaker 2: over the fast Track Bill. And the reason specifically is

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Speaker 2: because they have tacked on a list of projects to

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Speaker 2: the fast Track Bill that will get preferential treatment. Now

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Speaker 2: let's put that to side for one second. That's what's

803
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Speaker 2: happened in the last twenty four hours. Today we get

804
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Speaker 2: a press release from and this is in why he.

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Speaker 2: This is from Oceania Gold. They have announced their pre

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Speaker 2: feasibility study for one of the projects on the fast

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Speaker 2: track list and that project is Fuddy Keto Ponger. It's

808
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Speaker 2: a mine and underground mind and they reckon there's one

809
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Speaker 2: point Well, here's the news today. They did think there

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Speaker 2: was one point two million ounces of gold underneath why he?

811
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Speaker 2: They now think think there could be one point six million.

812
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Speaker 2: That's an extra four hundred thousand ounces of gold that

813
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Speaker 2: they now believe they yet to have fully confirmed, but

814
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: they now believe is underneath the ground. What's that worth? Well,

815
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Speaker 2: the one point two alone was worth anywhere from four

816
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Speaker 2: and a half billion to six point two billion New

817
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Speaker 2: Zealand dollars for exporters. Eighty percent of that is expected

818
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Speaker 2: to be spent in New Zealand, thirty percent within the

819
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Speaker 2: Hodarki district. It's expected to add eight percent to the

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Speaker 2: district's GDP in twenty twenty three. This is from the

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Speaker 2: mines here. So this is the reason that the government

822
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Speaker 2: is trying to push this through. This is the reason

823
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Speaker 2: you know that where else do you hear of big

824
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Speaker 2: billion dollar numbers like that in New Zealand. You just don't.

825
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Speaker 2: So that is why it's important now whether they have

826
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Speaker 2: a treading on the auspices of our democracy and the

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Speaker 2: process of getting there is a different story for another day.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen after five Newstalk ZBB. Which city I should say

829
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Speaker 2: is going to pay more in rates? Know about it

830
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Speaker 2: this morning, I'll tell you next Nineteen after five A

831
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Speaker 2: rude wake up for Wellingtonians this morning with news that

832
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Speaker 2: their rates are set to increase by fifteen point nine

833
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: percent next year. That's up more than three percent higher

834
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Speaker 2: than previously promised. It's a result of Wellington Council not

835
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Speaker 2: selling its airport shares. We all know about that, but

836
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Speaker 2: then also not making enough savings. Otherwise, Wellington City councilor

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Speaker 2: Tony randalls with me, Tony, good evening, Good evening. So

838
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Speaker 2: the man now saying, actually I will stick to the

839
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Speaker 2: original promise of twelve point four do we believe that, Well,

840
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Speaker 2: we've already.

841
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Speaker 18: Been through this whole process of saying we're making enough

842
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Speaker 18: savings when in fact we spent most of the meeting

843
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Speaker 18: putting money back in the budget. And then there's a

844
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Speaker 18: surprise that rates have gone up by more and that's

845
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Speaker 18: also going up as well.

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Speaker 2: So If you're a Wellingtonian listening to this, who do

847
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: you believe? Who do you listen to? How much will

848
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Speaker 2: the rates go up by twelve point four or fifteen

849
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Speaker 2: point nine or maybe more? Do we actually know?

850
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Speaker 18: Well, the officers have said that they're going to go

851
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Speaker 18: up by fifteen point nine percent and that's the average.

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Speaker 18: Of course, we're also going to have new valuations out

853
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Speaker 18: for the next rates time, so those people who are

854
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Speaker 18: in the wrong end of the valuation shift are going

855
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Speaker 18: to have even higher rates than fifty nine point nine percent.

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Speaker 19: That's that's not good.

857
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Speaker 18: But the reality is we're going to have to make

858
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Speaker 18: more cuts and that's what officers said. They're going to

859
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Speaker 18: come back in February to do it, but my goodness,

860
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Speaker 18: we should have done it already for good.

861
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Speaker 2: So you've had one round of cuts and they because

862
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Speaker 2: they haven't gone deep enough, you're going to have to

863
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Speaker 2: have another round of cuts. Do you think we're finally

864
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Speaker 2: going to get rid of that golden mill or is

865
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Speaker 2: that you know? Are there certain projects that people are

866
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Speaker 2: just not willing to relent on.

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Speaker 18: That the Miyror has got her agenda. It includes us

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Speaker 18: spending more rate pawer funds on psych aways spending more

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Speaker 18: rate power funds on the Gold and Mile project, and

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Speaker 18: actually she last time she even increased the for the

871
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Speaker 18: organics processing by eleven million dollars. And so it's no

872
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Speaker 18: surprise to me that their costs haven't been cuts haven't

873
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Speaker 18: been made, and so rape payers are going to wear

874
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Speaker 18: it really hard, and I really feel for them, really do.

875
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Speaker 2: And not only are they wearing it, but the council's

876
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: debt limits wearing it too. It's at two hundred and

877
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Speaker 2: twenty six percent the limits two hundred and twenty five.

878
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: Is this Crown observer giving you any of what are

879
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Speaker 2: they doing?

880
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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 18: He has been a positive influence and given us some

882
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Speaker 18: advice and listening, but mainly he's reporting back. I think

883
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Speaker 18: actually his first report is going to go to the

884
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Speaker 18: Minister very soon. I'll be interested to see what it says.

885
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Speaker 4: It's still it's.

886
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Speaker 18: Still time to make cuts. Perhaps we can make some

887
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Speaker 18: cuts even on Tuesday. But really this is just bad

888
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 18: news for a council really that says it trying to

889
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 18: make hard decisions, but it hasn't made the hard decisions,

890
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 18: really hasn't and people are holding on to this party

891
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 18: agenda stuff. We need to move on and focus on

892
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 18: the basics and that means more cuts.

893
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Speaker 2: Sorry Tony Randall, Wellington City councilor thanks for your time

894
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: just gone twenty two after five the Seymour was sorry

895
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Speaker 2: the beef between Seymour and Winston. Seymour responds here after

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Speaker 2: six on.

897
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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your

898
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Speaker 1: car on your drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on Heather

899
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Speaker 1: duple Cy Alan drive with one New Zealand. Let's get

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Speaker 1: connected and you talk asz'd.

901
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: B twenty five after five. If you're one of those

902
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Speaker 2: people chairing on the alleged CEO shooter in the United States,

903
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Speaker 2: then shame on you. I wasn't surprised to see a

904
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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania university professor yesterday literally dancing on TikTok celebrating the

905
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Speaker 2: fact that the shooter went to her college. What a

906
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: shallow and ironically for an academic, rather unthoughtful thing to do.

907
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: It's not vigilante justice, as some people are saying. In fact,

908
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Speaker 2: based on the reports of his manifesto and the alleged motive,

909
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: it sounds more like domestic terrorism. Terrorism's basically violence in

910
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: the name of a political cause or ends. In this case,

911
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: allegedly a hate for corporate America. Vigilante justice is taking

912
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: retribution over somebody harming you, like somebody kills your friend

913
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Speaker 2: and you beat that person up. Also not on but different.

914
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Speaker 2: What's more worrying is how many Americans, indeed people over

915
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Speaker 2: the world, are celebrating this. America has had two assassination

916
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Speaker 2: attempts during the last election. How many more next time.

917
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Speaker 2: A poll last month found most of the people in

918
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Speaker 2: America most Americans oppose political violence, but shockingly, one in

919
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Speaker 2: five US adults believe Americans may have to resort to

920
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Speaker 2: violence to get their country back on track. In the

921
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Speaker 2: United States of America the most advanced democracy on the

922
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Speaker 2: face of the planet. The difference between a place like Syria,

923
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Speaker 2: which has been in the news a lot this week,

924
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Speaker 2: and America is the respect for the rule of law.

925
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Speaker 2: The callous reaction to the CEO shooter from some shows

926
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Speaker 2: that respect for that rule of law is diminishing, and

927
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Speaker 2: that is a shameful thing.

928
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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge, You're.

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Speaker 2: On News Talk ZB twenty seven after five. Coming up

930
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Speaker 2: after six, David Seymour. Also, we're going to talk about

931
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Speaker 2: this bumbling, g hardy keyweek, the fact that he's facing

932
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Speaker 2: terrorism charges just in the last our day or two.

933
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Speaker 2: Is that related to the fall of the Sheer Alissad's

934
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Speaker 2: regime in Syria? We'll ask that question next.

935
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Speaker 6: Oldly have a Harley Jolly Christmas.

936
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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge cutting through the noise to get the facts.

937
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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on Heather dou see allan drive with

938
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Speaker 1: one New Zealand let's get connected and news talk as

939
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: that'd be.

940
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Speaker 2: Well, never offall, we'll never, we'll never afore, good afternoon,

941
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: twenty five away from sixth Great to have your company.

942
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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that? I'll get to some of

943
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: your texts on the Solicitor General interview from just after

944
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Speaker 2: five and a second actually do them right now, Ryan,

945
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: the Solicitor General should stop digging when she is in

946
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Speaker 2: a hole. The second time round is still not acceptable,

947
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: says Baz. This is after a u turn on her

948
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Speaker 2: prosecution guidelines to police and the like. Ryan, the poor

949
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 2: victims of crime, when do we start focusing on them?

950
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: And another here she's talking crap, says Chris. She knew

951
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: what she was writing. She just got caught out and

952
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: she's not to be trusted. So not a lot of

953
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Speaker 2: faith in our Solicitor General. This afternoon. Have you seen

954
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 2: Everyone would have seen it surely by now. That Christmas

955
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: movie Home Alone, you know when you get the two robbers,

956
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: the two thieves kind of running after chasing around Macaulay

957
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: Culchan around Chicago at Christmas time. Really good movie anyway.

958
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 2: And there's that line where they say stealing candy from

959
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: a baby, Well, I have one better for you. They've

960
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: gone one better this Christmas in west Auckland Free School

961
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 2: has been targeted by thieves. Robbers have stolen a swing, slides,

962
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Speaker 2: bridges and blocks, leaving thirty children without any outdoor equipment

963
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Speaker 2: to play on. I mean, how cool is that? It's

964
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Speaker 2: worth about five thousand dollars. Happened sometime over the weekend. Also,

965
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Speaker 2: somebody tried to steal their Christmas tree on Monday, I think,

966
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Speaker 2: in a separate incident to this one. This is from

967
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Speaker 2: the What Is Wrong with People? Files? Right, So if

968
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Speaker 2: anyone knows what happened, This is in Henderson. It was

969
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Speaker 2: at a kurhangadoo. If anyone knows what happens what happened here?

970
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: It was apparently between four thirty pm last Friday and

971
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Speaker 2: seven am on Saturday in smythe Road. The items are

972
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Speaker 2: not small. They're a giant slide. If you see one

973
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Speaker 2: of those this Christmas, if you see it on Facebook, Marketplace,

974
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Speaker 2: if you see it on trade me, then please they're

975
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Speaker 2: urging you, and I'm urging you two to get in

976
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Speaker 2: touch with police. Ray and Bridge twenty three away from

977
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Speaker 2: six now, a terrorism charge has been filed against bumbling

978
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Speaker 2: g hardy Mark Taylor and the Willington District Court. You'll

979
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Speaker 2: remember Mark, he's the key. He went to Syria, remember this,

980
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: to for the Islamic State, only to accidentally give away

981
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Speaker 2: some Isis fighters location on Twitter and he got himself

982
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Speaker 2: locked up. When we last heard from him in twenty nineteen,

983
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Speaker 2: Mark was imprisoned by Kurtis fighters in northern Syria. John

984
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Speaker 2: Battersby is the Massi University Center for Defense and Security Studies.

985
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Speaker 2: Is with me this evening, John, good evening.

986
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Speaker 9: Hello, Ryan, how are you im well?

987
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Speaker 2: Thank you? Why are the charges being laid now?

988
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 9: Do you think just reading the media release or the

989
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 9: media comments by the police, it does seem to be

990
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Speaker 9: that the Counder Office has given approval to an application

991
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 9: that must have been made some time ago for those

992
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 9: charges to be laid, So it could be possibly a

993
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Speaker 9: little bit coincidental. There is a chance that changes in

994
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Speaker 9: Syria that will be made aware of has hurried the

995
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Speaker 9: system along a little bit, and the few people have

996
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Speaker 9: got worried that maybe he could end up being released

997
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 9: and start knocking on some tools to come back. So

998
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 9: it would be prudent to have these charges in place

999
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 9: just in case that very unlikely event actually does occur.

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Speaker 2: Our governments, not just ours, but others around the world

1001
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: worried about now that Bashar al Assad's regime has fallen.

1002
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: Our governments worried about fighters coming home.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I think governments around the world have been worried

1004
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 9: for quite some time about fighters coming home. That that

1005
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 9: concern has been alleviated over time as fewer and fewer

1006
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Speaker 9: have come back. But I think given the changes in

1007
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 9: Syria at the moment, which have really come out of nowhere,

1008
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 9: it would seem and it's probably called almost everybody unaware,

1009
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 9: and everybody's probably reassessing the moment, the possible consequences, the

1010
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 9: sort of the untheen sideline colesteral kind of consequences that

1011
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 9: might occur as a result of this.

1012
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: What's the actually been charged with charges relate to the

1013
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: alleged participation in the Islamic state in Iraq to enhance

1014
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 2: their ability to carry out or participate in terrorist acts

1015
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: in one or more countries. That must be a pretty

1016
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Speaker 2: raird charge.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's never simply laid with anyone else, so yes

1018
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Speaker 9: it is. And it's a charge of a New Zealander

1019
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 9: heading over breaking New Zealand law in terms of participating

1020
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Speaker 9: in a terrorist organization overseas. So that's that's the simple

1021
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 9: basis of the charge.

1022
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 2: He is a New Zealand citizen. Should the New Zealand

1023
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: government be actively looking for him so that we can,

1024
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Speaker 2: you know, make him face up this charge?

1025
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Speaker 9: I think probably if we were, if we're speaking strictly,

1026
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 9: he is our problem, and we should probably go and

1027
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Speaker 9: get him and bring him back and build them instead

1028
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 9: of leaving it for the Syrians or the Kurds or

1029
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Speaker 9: whoever has got him to live with them. The problem,

1030
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Speaker 9: I suppose is he's torn up his own travel documents.

1031
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Speaker 9: Even if he hadn't, that would have explied by now.

1032
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Speaker 9: We have no representation in Syria, so the possibility of

1033
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Speaker 9: us being connected back with him is actually pretty remote.

1034
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Speaker 9: And I'd say she is a pretty dangerous place at

1035
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Speaker 9: the moment. Or an unsusan place for us to go

1036
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Speaker 9: specifically looking for him. So I don't think anybody the

1037
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Speaker 9: motivation can be terribly high in anybody's book at the

1038
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Speaker 9: moment to actually go looking for him.

1039
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Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't think so either, John, Thank you very

1040
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: much for that, John Battersbee, Massi University Center for Defense

1041
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: and Security Studies. He's either dead landlocked essentially, or he's

1042
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: got to get to Turkey, where our diplomatic presence is,

1043
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: to get a passport. It's just gone now, nineteen away

1044
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Speaker 2: from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international Realty, local and

1046
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: global exposure like no other.

1047
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Speaker 2: There's got to Wellington. Nick Leggett's Infrastructure New Zealand with

1048
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: us tonight. Hey Nick, Hello, Ryan, good to have you on.

1049
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: And Nick Mel's host of Wellington Mornings. Nick welcome, Thank you.

1050
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 2: Now there's Solicitor General. We've had her on the show

1051
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 2: this evening and for those who aren't familiar with the case,

1052
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: she put out guidelines a couple of months ago. They

1053
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Speaker 2: mentioned in the fall ward. They mentioned that you should

1054
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 2: think carefully police and other prosecutors before prosecuting Mardy because

1055
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Speaker 2: disproportionately represented in the bad stats and in the justice system.

1056
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Speaker 2: She's now reversed that and says, well, it was misinterpreted, Nick,

1057
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: what do you make of that? You're buying it?

1058
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Speaker 20: I think that it was poorly written. I think that

1059
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Speaker 20: she either didn't read it or her team didn't read

1060
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Speaker 20: it correctly. But I think it's I don't think it

1061
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Speaker 20: was open to misrepresentation. I think somebody wrote that and

1062
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Speaker 20: it wasn't looked at properly, and they've had to change it,

1063
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Speaker 20: and I think it was appropriate that they changed it

1064
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Speaker 20: in these circumstances.

1065
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Nick, I think it sort of seemed to

1066
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: me like they actually did know what they were writing.

1067
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Speaker 2: Someone knew what they were writing.

1068
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Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody knew what they're writing.

1069
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, Nick, what do you reckon?

1070
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Speaker 4: Oh? Nick? Sorry, there's too.

1071
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Speaker 2: There is two. I didn't even know we did, Nick

1072
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Speaker 2: number two.

1073
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Speaker 4: One? Please joking.

1074
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Speaker 10: I just can't believe the solicitor, Genial Uma Jakos has

1075
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Speaker 10: still got a job. Remember what happened in the Abuse

1076
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Speaker 10: of Care when they did the amaze at apology and

1077
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Speaker 10: everyone turned their back. Remember she was sort of looked

1078
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Speaker 10: at as not being as caring and as nice a

1079
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Speaker 10: person as she should be. This is almost like a

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Speaker 10: second strike. I just don't know what Judas Colin's thinking about.

1081
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Speaker 10: She needs to go. She's not the right person in

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Speaker 10: the job. And this is clearly, I mean, everyone understood

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Speaker 10: what she said when she wrote that, and she's trying

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Speaker 10: to backpedal and back pedal quietly. And you know what,

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Speaker 10: I understand why she doesn't do radio, because she was

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Speaker 10: damn terrible on your show.

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Speaker 20: Well, I think full credit to her, actually, though, Nick,

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Speaker 20: because she fronted up and you know, the Solicitor General

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Speaker 20: isn't somebody you often hear from in the media, and

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Speaker 20: so I think she at least dined up and said, look,

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Speaker 20: it wasn't It wasn't as I wanted it to be communicated.

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Speaker 20: I've changed it and I'm sorry. And I think we've

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Speaker 20: got to take her at her word on that, because

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Speaker 20: like most I suspect most people would think that that

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Speaker 20: was improperly worded and wouldn't agree with it.

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Speaker 10: All right, Why would she make a mistake like that,

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Speaker 10: I mean, why would she's the top top solicitor gen

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Speaker 10: I mean, why would she make a mistake like that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that's the question, is that was

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Speaker 2: it actually a mistake or not. I mean, yes, it's

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Speaker 2: been corrected, but was it a mistake? Nick's Leggett and

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Speaker 2: Mills with us back in just a second. We're going

1103
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: to get their take on the rates, but also more

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Speaker 2: importantly the vibes in Wellington around the fairies.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the

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Speaker 1: marketing of your home.

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Speaker 2: It is thirteen away from six News Talks said, be

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Speaker 2: a huddle tonight, Nick Leggett Infrastructure, New Zealand. Nick Mills,

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00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: host of Wellington Mornings on News Talk, said, be legot

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Speaker 2: the fairies. It looks like there was a bit of

1111
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Speaker 2: a battle between Battle Royale between Seymour and Winston over

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Speaker 2: this and Nicholas caught in the middle. Winston's come out

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00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: holding the ball. Is everybody on board? Do we think

1114
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: he's going to get this thing done? Can you do

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00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: rail enabled and cheap?

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Speaker 20: I think that we've got to be well, we're all

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00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 20: going to be sitting there with beta breath, aren't we.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be very hard to.

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Speaker 20: Deliver rail enabled within a lesser funding envelope. If anybody

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Speaker 20: can do it, I suspect Winston well, I mean the

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Speaker 20: good thing is he's keen on rail. He's very experienced.

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Speaker 20: I would say, though, this is sort of dangerous territory,

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Speaker 20: not not for Winston but for the government. If you

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Speaker 20: look at what happened in Tasmania recently. This a similar

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Speaker 20: sort of blowout, a similar issue you know, costs a

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Speaker 20: mini senior minister their job. We actually it's it's I

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00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 20: bang on about this a lot.

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Speaker 4: Ryan.

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Speaker 20: The thing is when we have too much politics in

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Speaker 20: vital infrastructure decisions, things take longer, poor decisions are made

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Speaker 20: and they cost more, and then we go back to

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Speaker 20: the drawing because we've wasted so much money on a

1133
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Speaker 20: solution that doesn't actually happen. I'm I think what we've

1134
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 20: got to do now is step back and let the

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Speaker 20: new Minister of Rail work out the best option and

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00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 20: give some time to do that. I can tell you

1137
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 20: when you know, when you politicize infrastructure and all the

1138
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 20: pressure goes on to rush a decision, that's when you

1139
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 20: get a stuff up. So we've all got to be

1140
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Speaker 20: a bit more discipline.

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Speaker 2: I think there's almost one other person that they need

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Speaker 2: to bring into this conversation, so it's not just Winston

1143
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: and Seymour and willis, what about hipkins, Because let's face it,

1144
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: when they get back in, the fairies may not be

1145
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: ordered yet, and we want to make sure that we're

1146
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Speaker 2: not ordering and canceling mills.

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Speaker 1: Yep, right, Look, Ryan, I worked this out.

1148
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Speaker 10: I did an hour on on the show today and

1149
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 10: I worked it out right. I looked at Nicola Willison's nicolay,

1150
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Speaker 10: Nicola Willis, what am I saying? Yeah, Nicola Willison's body

1151
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 10: language yesterday and there was something up right. So this

1152
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 10: is how I've worked it out. After spending an hour

1153
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 10: talking about it this morning, she went to cabinet. She

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00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 10: had been two new or secondhand ferries, smaller, non rail capable,

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01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 10: and wanted them sign off the deal. Onceton kicked up

1156
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Speaker 10: part of the coalition. He kicked up and said, no,

1157
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Speaker 10: it's got to be rail compatible. Give me the Minister

1158
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 10: of Railways. I will make it happen, and I will

1159
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Speaker 10: sort it out. That's what I reckon happen, and I

1160
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 10: reckon I'll be proven right at some stage.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon he can sort it out?

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Speaker 10: Yes, I'm not sure. I mean I think he can,

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Speaker 10: and I've got confidence in him. But the fact that

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Speaker 10: Nicholas said I delivered. Means that she thinks that she

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Speaker 10: got it done, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And that's when she said it. Yeah, nothing's been done,

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Speaker 4: nothing was done, but.

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Speaker 2: She had a proposal to get stuff done. And I

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Speaker 2: guess that's that's now become Plan B, which is, you know,

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Speaker 2: in three months, we'll see what happens. Hey, the Wellingston

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Speaker 2: City Council at it again. So the forecast rate rise

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Speaker 2: a fifteen point nine percent next year, up three percent

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Speaker 2: from what they had promise. Basically they didn't cut deep enough.

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Speaker 2: Nick Legate, At what point do you do? We just

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Speaker 2: stop believing actually anything they tell us about any rate rises.

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Speaker 4: Well, the.

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Speaker 20: Thing is here, if you want to have a lesser

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Speaker 20: rate rise, you've got to choose to do less. And

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Speaker 20: I think that's the challenge for Wellington City, it's the

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Speaker 20: challenge for many councils, is actually be brave and not

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Speaker 20: do something. But the second point is that there's some

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Speaker 20: protection in all this, and that is that they've got

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Speaker 20: to go out for consultation or is this actually yeah,

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Speaker 20: this is for next year, So they've got to go

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Speaker 20: out for consultation to their long term plan. Even though

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01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 20: they're doing sorry, they're annual plan, So they're doing the

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Speaker 20: long term planner that will give residents some kind of input.

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Speaker 20: And of course it is election next year, so politicians

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Speaker 20: tend to listen quite a lot during election years. So

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Speaker 20: I still think there's a chance that the community can

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Speaker 20: influence the decision if it's got a If the decision

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Speaker 20: is going to be going to consultation, I'm a bit unsure.

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Speaker 20: The reason I sound a bit confused is because they've

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Speaker 20: got to redo their ten year plan, if you recall,

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01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 20: because they didn't sell the airports shares. So I'm I'm

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01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 20: not sure where that sits in terms of us. But yeah,

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Speaker 20: let's see what happens.

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Speaker 4: Mells.

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Speaker 2: You're across this, you know this light the back of

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Speaker 2: your hand, and you've got your finger on the pole.

1201
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: So are you believing that this new promise that it'll

1202
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Speaker 2: be less than the fifteen point nine or not?

1203
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 10: Absolutely not, It'll be more than fifteen point nine. And

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01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 10: the first thing they've got to do is give up

1205
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 10: on the Golden mile cut. That they've got to stop

1206
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 10: the spending on all this earthquake stuff that they keep

1207
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 10: thinking every building's going to come down in a slight shape.

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Speaker 6: They've got to forget about that.

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Speaker 10: We've been given four more years by the government not

1210
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 10: to do anything. Pull your heads in, stop doing the

1211
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Speaker 10: spending on things we don't need to spend on right

1212
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 10: now and get us to the next election so we

1213
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 10: can make some changes. But if you think you live

1214
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 10: in Wellington and you've got a problem with rates, if

1215
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 10: you have, and they're ridiculous, and if you've got a

1216
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 10: commercial building, it's ten times worse. I mean the same

1217
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 10: building in Auckland, the same building in Wellington with the

1218
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 10: same value, you're paying almost double the rates.

1219
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Speaker 2: It's just not right, certainly not. Thanks so much for

1220
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Speaker 2: your time, guys, great to have you on. Nick Legget

1221
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 2: Infrastructure New Zealand and Nick Mills, host of Wellington Mornings

1222
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 2: on News Talk, said it is eight away from six

1223
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: red or blue.

1224
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: Trump or Harris who will win the battleground states? The

1225
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: latest on the US election. It's has a duplicy Alan

1226
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected use talksb.

1227
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 2: Just gone five away from six. Here on news Talks,

1228
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: it'd be staying in Wellington. I know we've done a

1229
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 2: lot of Wellington, but who cares. It's an absolute shite

1230
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: show down there, So let's enjoy it. So what's happening

1231
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: there is the speed not not speed cameras, rather the

1232
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 2: bus lanes. Have you ever got one of these tickets

1233
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: for driving in a bus lane? They now have cameras

1234
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: installed in parts of Newtown and they've gone live in

1235
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 2: the first day. Guess how much the council got from

1236
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 2: the fines ten thousand dollars sixty six fines. The fine

1237
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: for driving in a bus lane is one hundred and

1238
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: fifty dollars. Guess what the fine is for going using

1239
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: your cell phone while driving? One hundred and fifty dollars.

1240
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: How does that make sense? Like the potential damage from

1241
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 2: news a cell phone and driving potentially catastrophic lethal the

1242
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: damage from driving in a bus lane a late bus

1243
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: which are probably already late anyway. You know, how does

1244
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: that make sense? Anyway? So if you are driving a

1245
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: Newtown Rideford Street and Adelaide Road northbound are apparently where

1246
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 2: these new cameras are, so be careful. There was no

1247
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 2: phase in period I'm aware of. You just get stung

1248
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty dollars every time you do it.

1249
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: Trump has been named the Person of the Year by

1250
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: Time magazine for the second time. And what I find

1251
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: interesting about this is, and by the way, the criteria

1252
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 2: is the person who most affected the news or our

1253
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: lives for good or for ill. So take your peck

1254
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: about which way you think. Time and views that one.

1255
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: But what I find most interesting about this is a

1256
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: pole that came out today on Trump. That's from CNN,

1257
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: by the way, a pole that set a majority of

1258
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 2: Americans approve of his approach so far. Fifty five percent

1259
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 2: of Americans approve of his transition into the White House

1260
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: so far a CNN poll, So he's actually getting thumbs up.

1261
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 2: I mean, they did even go as far as calling

1262
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 2: this a honeymoon period for Trump in the article. I

1263
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 2: don't know if I quite go that far, but there

1264
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 2: you go, Trump not only looking good in the public size,

1265
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: but for the second time person of the year for

1266
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Speaker 2: Time magazine.

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Speaker 1: GISs me onto the middle. Oh, we're Business Meets Insight

1268
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and my Hr on

1269
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: Newstalks FB.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, it is seven after six News Talks MB

1271
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Speaker 2: Coming up, Liam Dan We're going to look ahead to

1272
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 2: next week, the HIFU, the high FU, the half yearly

1273
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: Economic and Fiscal update. Also we're going to get GDP

1274
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 2: numbers for called to three and the FED is due

1275
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 2: to make a cut decision next week, so we'll touch

1276
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: on all of that with Liam Dan also Jamie McKay.

1277
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: Also Google has a new crazy, crazy, crazy fast chip

1278
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 2: called Willow. Apparently it's a game changer, and we'll look

1279
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 2: at that after the news at six point thirty. Right

1280
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Speaker 2: now it is seven after.

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Speaker 1: Six, Ryan Bridge, Just how much.

1282
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 2: Will our new faeries cost us? There's been a few

1283
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 2: numbers thrown around about the cost of the last twenty

1284
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 2: four hours. David Seymour reckons costings were quote approximately half

1285
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 2: the at least three billion dollar cost of Labour's proposal,

1286
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: but Winston Peters debunked that on the Breakfast Show with

1287
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Speaker 2: Head this morning.

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01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 14: I've got no idea a way made that common, that's true,

1289
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 14: he said. He used the word approximately, and approximately could

1290
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Speaker 14: mean a huge approximation.

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Speaker 4: That was what he said.

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01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: So, in an attempt to try and squeeze out a

1293
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Speaker 2: bit more information, the act Punty leader David Seymour is

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Speaker 2: with us this evening, David, Good evening, Good evening, run

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Speaker 2: Why did you who's right? Are you right or is

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Speaker 2: he right?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 21: We're both right, I think that who's wrong as people

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Speaker 21: who have taken my words a little bit literally. I

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Speaker 21: know a lot of people want to find out what

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Speaker 21: sort of money the government thinks it will put up.

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Speaker 21: But when I said half, what I mean is it's

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Speaker 21: going to be a lot less. Like when someone says

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Speaker 21: it's half the half the price, often they don't mean

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Speaker 21: literally half. They mean it's just a hell of a

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Speaker 21: lot less.

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Speaker 4: And that's what it will be.

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Speaker 2: But you put it in a press release. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I can't understand if you said that, But to put

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Speaker 2: it in a press release saying quote, approximately half the

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Speaker 2: at least three billion dollar cost. How am I meant

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Speaker 2: to get toned from that?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 21: Sometimes maybe I should have said it and you could

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Speaker 21: have got the tone out of it. I think that

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Speaker 21: sometimes the problem with writing. We've all been there with

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Speaker 21: an email that people read a little bit more literally

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Speaker 21: than we intended.

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Speaker 2: Have you had a telling off from up on high

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Speaker 2: about this?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Has anyone has? Has anyone from Luxeon or Willis or

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Speaker 2: mister peters Off has spoken to you about your approximately half?

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Speaker 4: No? No they haven't.

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Speaker 2: Oh so this is this kind of me culper is

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Speaker 2: all on you? It was no mea culpa. It's simply

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Speaker 2: pointing out clarifying.

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Speaker 21: But well, put it this way, if I've done anything wrong,

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Speaker 21: I shouldn't have overestimated how people would interpret this. But

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Speaker 21: of course, in this environment, the media trying to find

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Speaker 21: out what it meant to have jumped on half as

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Speaker 21: a lot less and said, oh, that must mean exactly half,

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Speaker 21: which it doesn't. And it's part of the reason it

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Speaker 21: said approximately.

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Speaker 2: Which has a fiscal conservative you can understand the interest, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about billions of taxpayer dollars.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, but I think it's pretty clear we're going into

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Speaker 21: a negotiation. I mean, if you're trying to get a

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Speaker 21: builder to quote, you don't go out and say how

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Speaker 21: much you're prepared to pay, which is never my intention.

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Speaker 21: A lot of people have jumped on it is oh, well,

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Speaker 21: he must mean exactly half, and then they say is

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Speaker 21: it half of this or is half of that, trying

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Speaker 21: to get a figure. My intention was never so give

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Speaker 21: a figure. My intention is to point out that where

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Speaker 21: we were up for a huge amount of money under labor,

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Speaker 21: now we're up to a fraction of that amount, and

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Speaker 21: we've saved the taxpayer a huge part by doing things better.

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Speaker 21: And differently, which is what we've been required to do

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Speaker 21: in just about every area over the past year, because

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Speaker 21: people out there are hurting, and why because of infation

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Speaker 21: and interest rates. Why because of government waste, which is

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Speaker 21: what we're cutting back. And you see the infation and

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Speaker 21: interest rates come back as a result. But it's still

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Speaker 21: a tough environment out there, which is why we've got

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Speaker 21: to keep going.

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Speaker 2: Is it tough in cabinet? Do you guys get along

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Speaker 2: you're in Winston, Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 21: I mean, I think one of the great disappointments for

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Speaker 21: our political opponents is just quite how collegial and corporative

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Speaker 21: this government is and how much we've managed to get through.

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Speaker 21: I think they probably hoped that it would all be

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Speaker 21: a disaster and would fall apart. But the sad news

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Speaker 21: for the likes of Labor is that actually this government's

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Speaker 21: got through probably more than any other government incoming in

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Speaker 21: its first year. Certainly that I can remember. It's a

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Speaker 21: true reforming government, and I have someone who campaigned on

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Speaker 21: real change with ACT. I'm very proud to be part

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Speaker 21: of it and proud of the contribution that we're making

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Speaker 21: to that real change. If you look at someone like

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Speaker 21: Chris Hipkins. You know, he keeps going on about the

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Speaker 21: boats because he wants people to think that the boats

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Speaker 21: will cost more. Well that may not even be true.

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Speaker 21: But actually what he's missing is that those guys were

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Speaker 21: going to blow anywhere from two point six to three

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Speaker 21: point four billion dollars on the two port projects at

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Speaker 21: either the end because they bought the wrong boat. Now

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Speaker 21: you look at the cynicism. If Chris Hipkins was a

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Speaker 21: patriotic New Zealander and worry about taxpayers and services for

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Speaker 21: the North and South Island connection, he'd be looking at, well,

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Speaker 21: what's the total cost going to be? Is trying to

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Speaker 21: zero win on?

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Speaker 2: Here's here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: One.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone agrees with you that last government bad

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Speaker 2: in terms of managing the economy, managing debt, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And you know projects like this are exhibit A. But

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Speaker 2: when it comes down to it, next year, when around

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Speaker 2: the cabinet table, Winston Peters comes with a price tag

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Speaker 2: that's more than what you set in your fiscal envelope

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Speaker 2: because he wants rail enabled. What are you going to say, Well.

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Speaker 21: First of all, are they're saying might discuss what happens

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Speaker 21: in cabinet? But I think what's pretty clear to everybody

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Speaker 21: is that you know, this government can't afford the kind

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Speaker 21: of proflicacy that the last government had. We know how

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Speaker 21: much we're going to afford. We're never going to say

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Speaker 21: what that is, but we're going to have.

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Speaker 2: It's not enough to trail enable, that is it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's that's that's a pipe dream. If you think you

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Speaker 2: can do rail and enabled for what you've put in

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Speaker 2: your envelope.

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Speaker 21: Well, I mean, if you listen to what Winston's saying,

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Speaker 21: he's very experienced and he's backing himself to get a

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Speaker 21: better deal than the previous government could. So I think

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Speaker 21: we've got to beacker new Minister of Rail and say, look,

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Speaker 21: if he can pull off a better deal for everyone,

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Speaker 21: then we should all be actually supporting him to do so.

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Speaker 21: There's far too much pulling down in politics, as we're

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Speaker 21: seeing from Labor at the moment.

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Speaker 2: When did you find out he was going to be

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Speaker 2: the Minister of Rail.

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Speaker 21: Well a few days ago.

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Speaker 2: So this is just a new thing. Can you just

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Speaker 2: leave a live with us? What happened? Nikola Willis had

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Speaker 2: a plan. Winston comes in and says, nah, I want

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Speaker 2: to give this another crack. I want to try and

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Speaker 2: do rail enabled. You guys aren't giving me rail enabled,

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Speaker 2: So give me the portfolio and I'll give it a crack.

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Speaker 21: Well, I'm ever going to go into the negotiations between

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Speaker 21: parties only the result for the taxpayer and the people

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Speaker 21: of New Zealand, and that is that we've got an

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Speaker 21: amount of money that we're prepared to suspend. We've got

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Speaker 21: a minister who's determined to get the best policable value

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Speaker 21: for it, and I think we should all back them

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Speaker 21: to do that.

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Speaker 2: All right, how are you going to give us a

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Speaker 2: bear at the hairdresses?

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Speaker 21: Well, to be honest, you can already get a bear

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Speaker 21: or a coffee at most hairdresses. That there's a rule

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Speaker 21: against it, but I don't think anyone much is following

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Speaker 21: it or councils are enforcing it. And if councils are,

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Speaker 21: they really ought to get some better priorities. However, I

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Speaker 21: think it is fair to say that hairdressing five thousand

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Speaker 21: people are businesses thirteen thousand people, billion dollars a year industry.

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Speaker 4: It's got some crazy.

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Speaker 21: Rules everything from the number of handbasins they have to

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Speaker 21: have in their location, they inspections they have from councils

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Speaker 21: for stuff that just doesn't make sense. And what the

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Speaker 21: Ministry for Regulation is going to do is actually go

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Speaker 21: on listen to a sector that I don't think has

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Speaker 21: been listened to for a long time, and then say, look,

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Speaker 21: these are all the rules you're subject too. We've decided

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Speaker 21: these ones don't make sense, so they go. These ones

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Speaker 21: can be changed, so we change them. And at the

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Speaker 21: end of the day, like every sector of the economy,

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Speaker 21: whether it's early childhood education or agriculture or anywhere else

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Speaker 21: that the Ministry for Regulations playing, it's about removing the

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Speaker 21: amount of time that people spend, you know, trying to

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Speaker 21: comply or actually not doing things because it's too red

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Speaker 21: tape to try, and freeing up people to do what

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Speaker 21: they want to do, which in the case of hair

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Speaker 21: dresses and barbers is helping you know, people look their best.

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Speaker 2: David Seymour, Ac Padalita, thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Just going quarter past six on News talksblem Dan.

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Speaker 2: Teen after six. Liam dan Is The Herald's Business editor

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Speaker 2: at large with me in the studio. Good evening, a right.

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Speaker 2: So it feels a little bit like the calm before

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Speaker 2: the storm this week, but next week it's going to

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Speaker 2: get gloomy. We've got the HIFU on Tuesday, current account

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Speaker 2: deficit Wednesday, GDP data on Thursday.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and none of it looking great, Like I was thinking,

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Speaker 12: no tidings of joy, comfort, no good tidings, no joy,

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Speaker 12: no comfort.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: So you know, talking about the government trying to find

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Speaker 12: money for fancy fairies and things. I think, you know,

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Speaker 12: the Treasury has already given as much a way as

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Speaker 12: it can, but it looks like those Crown accounts are

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Speaker 12: going to look worse than hoped. On Tuesday the HIFU

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Speaker 12: half year Fiscal and Economic Update, So I guess, you know,

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Speaker 12: like it's a tough one, but they knew it was coming.

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Speaker 12: But it does mean more borrowing. It does probably mean

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Speaker 12: unless they can really finesse things that they're going to

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Speaker 12: have to put the surplus, you know, go further out

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Speaker 12: in terms of looking for the surplus.

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Speaker 2: Another year delayed.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, so that's tough, and you know, it means that

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Speaker 12: there's going to be more pressure on Nikola Willis's budget

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Speaker 12: next year. So you know, look, I don't think anybody's

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Speaker 12: expecting it to be great, but I mean it's because

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Speaker 12: the tax take hasn't been there because the economy has

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Speaker 12: been stuck in recession, as we're going to find out

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Speaker 12: on Thursday, And it's the growth that's projected actually is

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Speaker 12: lower and flatter than we'd hoped as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and because when you look at that I saw

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Speaker 2: of the OECD report was that last week had us

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Speaker 2: at one point two percent next year growth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's still not like amazing, that's not a boom.

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Speaker 12: And in fact, the Reserve Bank downgraded their forecast. They're

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Speaker 12: looking at sort of two point four for the year after.

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Speaker 12: So that's that's the sort of getting back to two

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Speaker 12: point four. I remember, when you know it used to

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Speaker 12: be over three was good. But they're saying that if

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Speaker 12: we get up over three percent, that's going to be

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Speaker 12: inflationary because our economy doesn't have the capacity more. We're

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Speaker 12: not productive enough. But I don't want to get into

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Speaker 12: a big discussion productivity right now. In fact, I'm going

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Speaker 12: to avoid that before Christmas.

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Speaker 2: That'd be great. Save it for Christmas Day.

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Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, with the cousins and uncles and aunts.

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01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 2: That will love that. So we'll have us likely have

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01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 2: a surplus delayed, we'll have more borrowing as a result

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01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 2: of that. The quarter three GDP numbers, you did mention

1512
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 2: them briefly, but we'll confirm definitely that we're in recession.

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01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 12: Right, Well, that's the expectation. So the second quarter was negative,

1514
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 12: so this will be the third quarter. It will be historic,

1515
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 12: so it will say, well, we were in recession. We

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01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 12: knew that, and per capita, we know that we have

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01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 12: been in recession for a couple of years.

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 2: So there's but you know, I.

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01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 12: Suppose if there's a bright spot and that the economists

1520
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 12: are starting to say that this might represent a low point,

1521
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 12: and so yeah, I mean, it's we're talking about low growth,

1522
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 12: but growth is sure going to feel a lot better

1523
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 12: than no growth at all. So you know, I'm still

1524
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 12: still trying to sort of get a little bit of

1525
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 12: optimism into the message for twenty twenty five. It's going

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01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 12: to feel better than twenty twenty four.

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01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's hard though, isn't it hard time. It's like

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 2: trying to get blood out of a stone getting a

1529
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 2: smile out of a business correspondent. Yeah, that's right, you know.

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01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've got to be up beat.

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01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 2: Let's go to the Fed over in the States. They

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01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 2: are potentially smiling because they're going to get a rate cut, well,

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01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 2: potentially get a rate cut next week. It's looking quite good.

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01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 12: Yeah, because their inflation numbers came in. It I think

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01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 12: it's two point seven, which sounds bad, but given that

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01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 12: their economy is going quite you know, quite well. They

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01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 12: haven't had a recession, they're still growing. Two point seven

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01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 12: inflation was considered okay, on target, and that should give

1539
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 12: room for the Fed to do one more cut ahead

1540
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 12: of the new year. And you know, look, look there's

1541
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 12: a lot of bullishness about the American economy. Trump coming

1542
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 12: in and keeping it humming for however long till whatever

1543
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 12: the rest of the economic sketches up with them. But

1544
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 12: the markets are very happy. You know, we're seeing it

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01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 12: in our key we saver here. So I guess for

1546
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 12: all the turmoil and political chaos over there, America is

1547
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 12: kind of a bright spot on the on the world

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01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:56,799
Speaker 12: stage right now, Lean.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Good to see there's always Leam Dan,

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01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 2: the Herald's business editor, at line with me in studio

1551
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 2: twenty two after six and Jamie McKay next.

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01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 1: The rural report on hither do for see Allen.

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01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 2: Drive twenty five after six. I'm Ryan Bridge. We're spoken

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01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 2: to Liam Dan. With all the bad news at the

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01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 2: government surpas likely to be delayed next week. Quarter three

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01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 2: GDP will be in recessed in the current account deficit,

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01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 2: et cetera. However, was some good news. We're going to

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01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 2: Jamie mckaye hosted the country because the primary industry is

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01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 2: proving once again why they are the backbone of this country. Jamie,

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01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 2: good evening to you. Great to have you back on

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 22: Good to be on Ryan and your bang on farming

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01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 22: is the backbone of the economy. And if you needed

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01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 22: any proof, it came this morning with the situation and

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01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 22: outlook for primary industries reports from MPI. It's worth nearly

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01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 22: fifty seven billion to US. It's up to seven percent

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01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 22: a year on year. Director General Ray Smith said MPI

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01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 22: was going to help the government deliver its goal of

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01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 22: doubling export value within ten years, and he says the

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01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 22: global econom environment with showing signs of improvement. That's all

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01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 22: good news. Here's the numbers, Ryan, and I'll run through

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01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 22: them quickly. Leading the charge dairy lifting by ten percent

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01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 22: to be worth twenty five and a half billion dollars

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01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 22: to the New Zealand economy. That's forty five percent of

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01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 22: our primary sector exports and Greenpeace won to ban it.

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01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 22: Go figure that one and number two coming in at

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01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 22: number two is meat and wool, although let's be honest,

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01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 22: apart from fine wool, the other wall's not worth much,

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01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 22: so it's effectively meat eleven point four billion treading water

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01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 22: coming in at number three, and this will overtake meat

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01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 22: and wool in the next few years. I would think

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01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 22: of that as horticulture another strong performer, up twelve percent

1584
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 22: to eight billion, Kiwi fruit breaking through the three billion

1585
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 22: dollar barrier for the first time. Apple and pear is

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01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 22: now worth an excess in excess should I say of

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01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 22: one billion, and that industry has really recovered after being

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01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 22: badly affected obviously by cyclone. Gabrielle Forestry has been a

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01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 22: bit of a problem child because it used to be

1590
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 22: third equal with horticulture. It's up four percent, but it's

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01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 22: at six billion. It's trailing horticulture by two billion, a

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01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 22: bit of an up and comer. And the export industry

1593
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 22: is seafood. It's now worth two point two billion dollars

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01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 22: for US and the cherry on top.

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Speaker 4: Ryan.

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01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 22: Food and fiber accounted for eighty one point one percent

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01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 22: of New Zealand's goods exports in the twenty twenty four year.

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01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 22: Without farming, Ryan, we'd be bugged.

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01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 4: We soon.

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Speaker 2: It is no exaggeration to say that, Jamie, thank you

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01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: very much. Great to have you on as always, Jamie McKay,

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01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 2: Host of the Country. When you're looking at a seven

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01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 2: percent jump in revenue in the years of June twenty

1604
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 2: twenty five, when we're expecting growth of what is it

1605
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 2: just over one percent? I mean where would we be

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01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 2: without that? It is twenty seven after Sex News talks

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01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,799
Speaker 2: there b Bryan Bridge. Ryan, New Zealand has such an obsession.

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01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 2: This is our text from one of our listeners tonight.

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01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: New Zealand has such an obsession with a surplus. Why

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01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 2: don't the majority of Kiwis want slightly higher biral wing

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01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 2: but still low to mid on a will comparison, and

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01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 2: still be able to afford quality health, education, infrastructure, et cetera.

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01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 2: That's exactly what Nicola Willis says, and that is exactly

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01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 2: why next week she will push out the surplus by

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01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 2: another year.

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01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 4: And you.

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01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: You love me everything from SMS to the big corporates.

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01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and my HR The

1619
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: HR Solution for busy sm on News Talk ZIBB.

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Speaker 2: W twenty four away from seven on Newstalk zib across

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01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 2: the Tasman. I know in New Zealand we're waiting to

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01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 2: hear whether the government is going to do anything about

1623
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 2: the news content and whacking big social media giants like

1624
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 2: Meta and Google, et cetera. Alphabet We're waiting to see

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01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 2: whether our government is going to take any action on

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01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 2: that front in the near future. And to be honest

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01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 2: with you, I don't think that they are. Just all

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01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 2: indications are that they've kind of shelved that Digital News

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01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 2: Services Bill. However, in Australia they are making moves. The

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01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 2: Australian government is imposing they've announced today fines on big

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01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 2: tech companies if they refuse to continue to pay the

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01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: Aussie firms for their news content. So the Aussie news

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01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 2: outlets have deals with Facebook etc. At the moment where

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01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,480
Speaker 2: they pay for the Aussie News to put on their platforms.

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01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 2: Now the government is saying if they stop paying for

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01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 2: that news under the proposal new rules, they would be

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01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 2: subject to a new tax. How much is that tax,

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01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 2: They're not saying at this point, but it would apply

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01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 2: from January one next year to tech companies earning more

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01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 2: than two hundred and fifty million in Australia. That is revenue.

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01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 2: They include Meta, Google, Alphabet and byte Dance, which I

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01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 2: think is the one that owns TikTok. Yes it is TikTok.

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01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 2: So there you go. The Aussies are making whether this

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01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 2: will work or not, because remember last time they threatened that,

1645
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: Facebook just said, well, we won't put your news content

1646
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 2: on our website, on our websites at all. And I

1647
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 2: guess the ultimate nuclear button for them is just pulling

1648
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 2: out of Australia all together. Twenty three to seven cry

1649
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:22,839
Speaker 2: and Bridge. Google this week unveiled its third generation quantum

1650
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,560
Speaker 2: computing chip called Willow Too much excitement. It's considered the

1651
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 2: fastest computer chip ever produced. And solves problems at remarkable speed.

1652
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 2: So let's have a look at what investors are thinking

1653
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 2: about this. Sam Dicky from Fisher Funds is with me. Sam,

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01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 2: Good evening, Good evening, Ryan. Give us a bit of

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01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 2: a background here. What is First of all, what's quantum

1656
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,919
Speaker 2: quantum computing and how does it differ from classical computing.

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01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, so classical computing harnesses classical physics to process data.

1658
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 7: So remember bits bits of binary only one state at

1659
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 7: a time, either a zero or one, a yes or no. Well,

1660
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 7: quantum computing harnesses quantum physics. So we're the so so

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01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 7: called cubits, which are the building blocks of quantum chips,

1662
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 7: while bits of the building blocks of normal chips. They

1663
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 7: can exist in multiple states at once, so they can

1664
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 7: be zero or one or both at once, or anything

1665
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 7: in between. So, if you think about it in a

1666
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 7: simplistic way, if the classical computer was solving a jigsaw

1667
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,640
Speaker 7: puddle puzzle, it would have to try each piece one

1668
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,560
Speaker 7: at a time at binary zero, one, yes or no

1669
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 7: whether the piece fits, while a quantum computer, when it

1670
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 7: was solving the same jigsaw puzzle, would try all the

1671
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 7: pieces all at the same time, considering all possible solutions simultaneously,

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01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 7: So it just means it's exponentially faster than a classical computer.

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01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 2: In other words, Willow is the brainy kit in class.

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01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 4: That's right.

1675
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 7: It's the race source, that's right.

1676
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 2: So let's go to the new chip. Then what is that?

1677
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 2: And why is that?

1678
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 4: You know that?

1679
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I can understand the hype given what you've

1680
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 2: just said, but why the hype about will Open in particular.

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01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, So they released it two days ago and it's

1682
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 7: making headlines because it can perform what is a sort

1683
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 7: of a benchmark extremely complex computation used in quantum computing,

1684
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 7: in under five minutes. So that's a task that would

1685
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 7: take the world's top classical supercomputers ten septillion years to complete.

1686
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 7: So that's the number with twenty four zeros, which is

1687
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 7: far longer than the age of our universe, and Willow

1688
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 7: consulted in five minutes. And what happened here is Google

1689
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 7: cracked it. A thirty year long struggle in quantum computing.

1690
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 7: So older quantum computing chips found that the rate of

1691
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 7: error is multiplied as you added more cubits those building

1692
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 7: blocks of quantum computing chips. But Google figured out how

1693
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 7: to make the rate of eras fall exponentially as you

1694
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 7: scale up or add cubits, So then absolute game changer

1695
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 7: and quantum computing.

1696
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 2: Is it a human that is creating this or is

1697
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 2: it a computer that's creating this?

1698
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, combination. I mean it's the Google's Google Quantum AI

1699
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 7: division and and a barber. There's about three hundred of them.

1700
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,680
Speaker 7: Three hundred people that is that. That's not the computers,

1701
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 7: and obviously they're exceptionally intelligent, but they're clearly using AI

1702
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 7: and generative AI and super compute classical supercomputers to create

1703
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 7: these quantum computing chips.

1704
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 2: Incredible stuff. What are the what do you do with

1705
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 2: something like that? What are the applications?

1706
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 4: Show off?

1707
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:27,560
Speaker 7: No, No, I'm just doing much faster drug discovery, potential breakthroughs,

1708
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 7: and this is all this is coming from Satya.

1709
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 4: I'm not Satya.

1710
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:35,759
Speaker 7: Sorry, this is coming from the sea of Google potential

1711
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 7: breakthroughs and fusion fusion energy, so the ultimate limitless clean

1712
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 7: energy and the winners of this, I guess those at

1713
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 7: the forefront of quantum computing the losers. It'll be interesting

1714
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 7: if this does become commercially viable, which is still an

1715
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 7: if it could be companies that have made their beds

1716
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 7: developing classical computer chips like Intel or Samsung, but those

1717
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 7: companies are, just to be clear, investing in quantum computing

1718
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 7: as well. What does this mean for investors, Well, Google's

1719
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 7: added a lazy quarter of a trillion dollars in market

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Speaker 7: cap in the two day last two days since the announcement.

1721
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Speaker 7: And we've talked about Google before on the show, Ryan,

1722
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 7: So remember back in March and again September, the market

1723
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 7: was punishing the stock and calling it an AI laggard

1724
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 7: and legacy search business as you know Open ai and

1725
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 7: chat GPT. We're getting all that the accolades, and of

1726
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 7: course that's not true. And when you take a step

1727
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Speaker 7: back and just look at Google narrowly for a sec, Yes,

1728
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,719
Speaker 7: it's got its search business with ninety seven percent market share.

1729
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 7: It's also got its general of AI suite of tools

1730
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 7: like Gemini, it has YouTube, It's got Google, It's Google

1731
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 7: Cloud business growing rapidly, it's autonomous car business way Moo,

1732
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,560
Speaker 7: and now it's leading the field and quantum computing. So

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01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 7: it's not really clear it's a laggard in anything, but

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01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 7: more broadly for investors than to steal a quote, from Microsoft.

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01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 7: Quantum computing looks even more exciting than generative AI, and

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01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 7: that's obviously send everyone into a bit of a frenzy

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01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 7: in the last two years and it could be a

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01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 7: multi trillion dollar business. But before we get too excited,

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01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 7: it is very early days. Most don't think we'll see

1740
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 7: commercial applications until into the twenty thirties. But definitely wanted

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01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 7: to keep an eye on right.

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Speaker 2: And I guess the thing is weird as it all

1743
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 2: stop right once you make once the AI plus humans

1744
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 2: make willow, what does willow make?

1745
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 3: You know?

1746
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 2: You almost you would struggle to think of problems that

1747
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 2: we have for them to solve. But at some state

1748
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 2: it's a long way from that.

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01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 7: But yeah, I do think that's the terminator franchise.

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01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 4: And no I'm just joking.

1751
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 2: Sam, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Fascinating

1752
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 2: stuff from Google. That is Sam Dicky from Fisher Funds.

1753
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 2: It's eighteen minutes away from seven on News Talk SIB.

1754
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 2: We're going to the UK next. We've got news with

1755
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 2: Enda Brady. Also, I've got some news for you about

1756
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 2: the Green Fund. This is the one that the government

1757
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 2: set up, the Green Fund that went into the Solar

1758
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: zero that's now fallen over. What's happened to the chair.

1759
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 2: This was the baby of James Shore, former Green Party

1760
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 2: co leader. News on that next, if it's to.

1761
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Speaker 1: Do with money, it matters to you The Business Hour

1762
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: with Ryan Bridge and my HR the HR solution for

1763
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: busy smys on News Talk ZB just.

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Speaker 2: Gone fourteen away from seven News Talks VB. Here's another

1765
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 2: victim for you from that Solar zero collapse. And the

1766
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 2: body count is climbing and climbing. You've got not only

1767
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 2: people like customers who are going to be missing out.

1768
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 2: You've got workers, you've got subcontractors, You've got a whole

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Speaker 2: range of people who are affected. But the most recent

1770
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Speaker 2: is the chair of the New Zealand Green Investment Finance Fund,

1771
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Speaker 2: Cecelia Tarrant. Now she is the was the chair just

1772
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 2: resigned of the fund that James Shaw set up to

1773
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 2: invest in all of these green initiatives. Remember that the

1774
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 2: New Zealand Green Investment Finance Fund, it had put in

1775
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 2: more than one hundred million dollars of tax payer money

1776
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 2: into Solar zero, went into electoral dation three weeks ago.

1777
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Speaker 2: She says in her statement, this is Cecilia Tarrant has

1778
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Speaker 2: confirmed her decision to step down as chair, respecting the

1779
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 2: Minister's desire for new leadership, while reflecting proudly on his

1780
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 2: sixty tenure, six years in which I invested in Solo

1781
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 2: zero Solizera, which is now Nada fourteen to seven. Ryan Bridge,

1782
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Speaker 2: He's got to the UK in the Brady's with us.

1783
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Hey, Ryan, good to speak to you. Good

1784
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Speaker 2: to speak to you too. England has the highest right issuale.

1785
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Speaker 2: We mentioned this earlier in the show. New Zealand is worse,

1786
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 2: but England has the highest rate of bell cancer in Europe.

1787
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Speaker 19: Yeah, very worrying. Obviously I saw the New Zealand line

1788
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Speaker 19: as well, Puerto Rico and Chile in there the top four.

1789
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Speaker 4: This is really worrying.

1790
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Speaker 19: So what we're being told here is that out of

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Speaker 19: the forty four thousand new cases of bell cancer every

1792
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Speaker 19: year in England, about twenty four hundred are in people

1793
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 19: under the edge of It's never been happening before. To

1794
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,799
Speaker 19: go back to the eighties and nineties, it was nowhere

1795
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 19: near as high. It's rising about three point six percent

1796
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 19: year on year, and we're being told it is all

1797
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 19: down to diet and what has changed in the last

1798
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Speaker 19: twenty five to thirty years. It's got to be the

1799
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Speaker 19: growth of ultra processed food, all these additives and various

1800
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Speaker 19: different oils that they're putting in and that they're being

1801
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 19: allowed to put into our foods and we're consuming. And

1802
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Speaker 19: I'd have to say, I would say the diet in

1803
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 19: England in the last twenty years has probably gone downhill

1804
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 19: in terms of junk food consumption as well lack of exercise.

1805
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 19: We have a huge problem here with obesity. But these

1806
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 19: statistics today are absolutely shocking, very very worrying.

1807
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely they I say down here as well, please say

1808
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 2: they've identified dozens of people of interest as they investigate

1809
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 2: that post office scandal.

1810
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Speaker 19: So just to refresh listeners to what the post office

1811
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,640
Speaker 19: scandal was years ago. But twenty five years ago, they

1812
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 19: brought in a new IT system called Horizon, and then

1813
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Speaker 19: people who were running post offices up and down the

1814
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 19: country and had been for decades without a problem, were

1815
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 19: suddenly finding at the end of the day they couldn't

1816
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 19: balance the books on this new computer system. And some

1817
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 19: people were down maybe one thousand dollars a day, some

1818
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 19: were down five thousand dollars a day. And this was

1819
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 19: happening every day, and the Post Office management, rather than

1820
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 19: admit that there was a fault with this IT system

1821
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 19: which had been put in by Fujitsu, they prosecuted their

1822
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Speaker 19: own people. Some people went to prison, some people took

1823
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Speaker 19: their own lives, People had their life savings taken from them.

1824
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Speaker 19: People's lives were ruined by the management of the Post Office. Now,

1825
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Speaker 19: this I covered for years and nobody was interested. You

1826
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Speaker 19: go to court cases, you go to hearings, the media

1827
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 19: covered it, but the public just it didn't punch through

1828
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Speaker 19: until ITV released this drama earlier this year, about twelve

1829
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Speaker 19: months ago, actually called Mister Bates Versus the Post Office,

1830
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 19: and everything changed after that. It showed the human suffering

1831
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:53,640
Speaker 19: off the back of these decisions and really what was

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01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 19: a cover up inside the Post office. Metropolitan Police have

1833
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 19: come out now and said they have one hundred detectives

1834
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 19: on this. They're looking at dozens of people of interest,

1835
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 19: and they say they will go after them, not only

1836
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 19: in the Post Office but also in Fujitsu. They've seized

1837
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 19: documents and I would imagine it's going to be a

1838
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 19: very uncomfortable Christmas for the people who weren't responsible for this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like it. I'm rightly so too. Let's

1840
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 2: talk about that there was a Macbeth performance and there

1841
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 2: was concern over audience behavior during this performance. What exactly

1842
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 2: was going on here?

1843
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 19: Yeah, so this happened last night in the West End.

1844
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 19: David Tenant, hugely talented actor, absolutely brilliant guy as well.

1845
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 19: People on and off stage and screen love working with

1846
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 19: this fella Macbeth and David Tennant was on stage and

1847
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 19: apparently a male member of the audience had gone to

1848
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 19: the bathroom, and when he returned from the bathroom as

1849
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 19: the play was going on, he demanded to go to

1850
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 19: his seat, and some of the workers at the theater

1851
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:54,799
Speaker 19: in the stalls said just wait until the interval, please

1852
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 19: just stay where you are. I would imagine alcohol had

1853
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 19: been consumed. Given the time of the year.

1854
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Speaker 20: That it is.

1855
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:04,879
Speaker 19: This guy kicked off big time, huge commotion in the stalls,

1856
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 19: and then the staff asked the actors on stage to

1857
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 19: go back to their dressing room. So imagine the embarrassment

1858
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 19: of having an a lister like David Tennant on stage

1859
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 19: and him being told to kind of wrap up what

1860
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 19: he was doing with the Shakespearean pre Christmas play and

1861
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 19: head into the dressing rooms to wait while they deal

1862
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 19: with this abusive man in the stalls. We're seeing lots

1863
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 19: and lots of poor behavior in theaters here. There was

1864
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 19: one famous incident last Christmas in Manchester, the Whitney Houston

1865
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 19: musical The Bodyguard and some ladies in the audience that

1866
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 19: had a little bit too much prosecco and they were

1867
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 19: singing along to I Will Always Love You louder than

1868
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 19: the lady on stage who was being paid to sing it.

1869
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 4: So it needs addressing.

1870
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 2: Just watch how much you're consuming, I guess is the

1871
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 2: moral of the story. If you're going to go to

1872
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 2: the go to a musical, or go to the theater

1873
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 2: into thank you very much for that. Good to hear

1874
01:35:58,600 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 2: you on the show. I was always in the Brady

1875
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 2: UK correspondent it is nine away from seven News Talk

1876
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 2: said be further in on what's happening across the pond

1877
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 2: in well, I shouldn't say across the pond over in

1878
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 2: France from the UK with Emmanuel Marchon. He's been told

1879
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 2: you need to pick a new prime minister. And does

1880
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 2: not strike you as weird that they are basically back

1881
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 2: at square one. Now, remember when you watched the Olympics

1882
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 2: on TV back in what was it June or July,

1883
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 2: I think latter June early July. They are back there politically,

1884
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 2: they still don't have a government, they still haven't passed

1885
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 2: a budget, they still don't have a prime minister, and

1886
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 2: they've wasted six months. I mean, we think we're hard

1887
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 2: done by with our faery delay. Imagine being France. Anyway,

1888
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the Juce on that next eight to seven.

1889
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,600
Speaker 1: Getting ready for a new administration in the US, what

1890
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: will be the impact. It's the Business Hour with Hither

1891
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen and my HR, the HR solution for busy

1892
01:36:56,760 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 1: SMEs news talk, SIB news talks.

1893
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 2: It is five away from seven. So Emmanuel machent I

1894
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 2: was telling you the French president underprecire to pick a

1895
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 2: new prime minister because they've been without one now for

1896
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,560
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. After Michelle Barnier quit well, I

1897
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 2: mean he was forced out really after he tried to

1898
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 2: ram his budget through. So now Michelle Barnier has done

1899
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 2: interviews he has said basically a warning, whoever replaces me,

1900
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 2: you have huge social, territorial and rural divisions. They are fracturing.

1901
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 2: This country. It is almost impossible to govern. I know

1902
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 2: this is not good news and there is a feeling

1903
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 2: of abandonment being felt right across France on the issues

1904
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 2: of justice, education, crime, health and agriculture. Plus the debt

1905
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 2: is exceeding the EU guidelines. So whoever gets the job,

1906
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 2: who was anointed. It sounds very much like a poison chalice.

1907
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:52,760
Speaker 2: If you are in the job, do you go with

1908
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 2: a quarterly action plan as Winston as Christopher Luxon does well.

1909
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 2: Winston Peters has given his verdict on those.

1910
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 14: I don't have the sort of dashboard crap that I

1911
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 14: see other people perform on and a fifty point plan

1912
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 14: or one hundred point plan or a quarter a year plan.

1913
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 2: No, there you go. He doesn't like him and he

1914
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:16,799
Speaker 2: won't do them. He says he was talking about Labour's

1915
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:20,719
Speaker 2: fifty point plans. But we know what you were talking about, Winston.

1916
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 2: And what song we're going out with?

1917
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 23: Yeah, what decision gator we're going through. Next, We've got

1918
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 23: East Side from Benny Blanco to play us out tonight.

1919
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 23: For congratulations to Bennie Blanco and Selena gome Is. They

1920
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 23: are getting married. They have announced their engagement on social

1921
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 23: media after their longtime relationship. They've been together since December

1922
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 23: last year, so in Hollywood that that is a very

1923
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:41,600
Speaker 23: very long ancients.

1924
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 2: So Bennie Blanco is a guy.

1925
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:43,600
Speaker 1: He is.

1926
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 23: Yeah, he produces the songs this wholecy you're hearing on

1927
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 23: the vocals. They have done a song together him and Selena,

1928
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 23: but it's called single Soon, so I thought I better

1929
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 23: not play that because that's kind of giving this one

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Speaker 2: But well, congratulations to the happy couple. Thank you very

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