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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, the ones

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Speaker 1: with worldwide connections that perform not a promise.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle of this this Evening. Tris Sharson of

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Speaker 2: Shirston Willis pr Jo Spaguani of Child Fund, Hello you too,

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Speaker 2: Hello hell Trish? Would you go up to space?

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Speaker 3: I am not a space person. I'm an ocean person.

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Speaker 3: So people often say would you would you like to

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Speaker 3: go to space?

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, that sounds very hippy, Trish.

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Speaker 3: No, I love I love diving, so to me, I

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Speaker 3: love Oh. I love scuba diving, so that's my thing.

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Speaker 3: And often people say to me, oh my god, I

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Speaker 3: could never dive, I'm so afraid of the ocean. To me,

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Speaker 3: I find space much more terrifying, terrifying, black cold, whereas

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Speaker 3: under the ocean it's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I don't reckon. I would pay a HUNDI found to

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Speaker 4: Would you know when you compared it to a really

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Speaker 4: nice cruise, I'm thinking right, cruise, cocktails, real sunshine, sunshine.

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Speaker 2: But now you've just got Katy Perry and a little

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Speaker 4: Ten minutes, thank god? Yeah, yeah, Katie Perry for ten

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no fun, Okay, Trish. Do you think that this

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Speaker 2: business with Winston Peters versus lux And is significant or

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Speaker 2: is it, as the Prime Minister says, just a media

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Speaker 3: I think the Prime Minister is trying to gloss it over.

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Speaker 3: This is my read what National is trying to do.

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Speaker 3: have been pretty bad polls for them, pretty negative poles,

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Speaker 3: a reason otherwise, even even with that, why you wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have told Peters about this speech. I mean I watched it.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there was any particular magic in it.

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Speaker 3: And you can understand Peter's being grumpy about it and

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Speaker 2: At least you think that Winston's going to steal your thunder.

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Speaker 4: But well he's been and he has been moving towards

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Speaker 4: this kind of you know, slightly trumpy populist support for Trump,

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Speaker 4: hasn't he? And I think, like everybody's trying to work out,

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Speaker 4: you know, what do you do with a bully like

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Speaker 4: Trump and you can't ignore them? Is there only really

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Speaker 4: two options? You either suck up and kiss the ring

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Speaker 4: or you fight back.

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Speaker 2: And I can't you say nothing, Josie, because we are

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Speaker 2: the tiniest little country at the bottom of the ocean.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to say anything. You can wait for

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Speaker 4: Yes, so that's different. You can say nothing and be

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Speaker 4: off the radar, absolutely, but you still got to do

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Speaker 4: something because this crisis isn't going to fix itself, right,

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Speaker 4: so we have to go. We don't want to, we

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Speaker 4: don't want the bully to notice us, that's true, but

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Speaker 4: that's different to sucking up, right. So Trudeau tried to

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Speaker 4: sucking up things. Starmer tried to sucking up thing and

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Speaker 4: Luxin's trying to do I think is the right thing.

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Speaker 4: Where he's gone right is our what are our opportunities here?

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Speaker 4: CPTPP reach out become a kind of a sensible, rational,

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Speaker 4: rule of law trading group. That makes sense. You've got

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Speaker 4: to make friends in Southeast Asia, You've got to reach

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Speaker 4: I mean we've done bugger or actually to support Canada

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Speaker 4: who've been threatened with invasion. So we're trying not to

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Speaker 4: I think Winston is still in that slightly sucky uppy

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Speaker 3: Well look at I mean Mark Karney in Canada, hasn't

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Speaker 4: And I've been He's possibly the most boring man I've

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Speaker 4: you kind of if he shouted at a pigeon, the

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Speaker 4: like with that casket? Sir? That's kind of what you

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Speaker 3: I did kind of think though. You know, Luxein's message today,

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Speaker 3: but you know, I'm calling around everyone and I'm saying, hey, guys,

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Speaker 4: As momentarih I actually think it could the moment, it.

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Speaker 2: Could also be. But even the politics aside, like see

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Speaker 2: the politics aside, Josie, and just look at the practical

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Speaker 2: stuff that maybe that we may be at very delicate

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Speaker 2: which Winston's all over, and then lux And goes and

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Speaker 2: there's the practical problems could be real.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But again I come back to those that have

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Speaker 4: tried the suck up path and it just hasn't worked.

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Speaker 4: So we're not going to get below ten percent. We

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Speaker 4: might get some carve outs we might not. Who knows.

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Speaker 4: Our biggest bet is to actually make the most of CPTPP,

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Speaker 4: which TPP. For God's sake, let's just call it TPP.

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Speaker 4: And it is the biggest trade block in the world.

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Speaker 4: It's bigger than our trade with the US. So the

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Speaker 4: potential lies there. We don't want to piss off the

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Speaker 4: US to the extent that we lose everything. But I

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Speaker 4: think what Luxein's doing is right. I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international Realty achieve extraordinary

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Speaker 2: Right, you back with the Huddle triitious and Joseph Ganney, Josie,

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Speaker 2: you didn't watch the pocahon You're going to it's on

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Speaker 2: your watch list.

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Speaker 4: It watch list. But I just got over the White Lotus.

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Speaker 4: It's just so much.

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Speaker 2: No, I've got half an hour, don't spoil it.

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Speaker 4: Well, guess who dies? I'm not going to tell you.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, if I wanted horror scandal and you know

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Speaker 4: who's guilty, who's innocent, I don't know. I just watched

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Speaker 4: the latest Trump tariff announcement. I don't need to watch this.

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Speaker 4: I mean it does have that salacious, you know, appeal

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Speaker 4: like the Lundee case and the Bain case where we

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Speaker 2: You have got so hot actually.

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Speaker 3: Steam just talking of it overheated.

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't know you've breastfeeding woman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Story, Well, let's move, move before we get.

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Speaker 2: He obviously regrets already talking about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, and here's why. Did you read the key line

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Speaker 3: in his statement? He's talking about these the producers right. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean as if there aren't huge elements,

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Speaker 3: as if all of Auckland wasn't riveted to this grubbing

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Speaker 3: producers in his statement, and he says, they told me

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Speaker 3: understanding to prove my innocence. He is his line. They

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happened, right, There's clearly what happened, because

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Speaker 2: I would never let that out.

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Speaker 3: Who in their right mind would would do that?

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Speaker 2: Polkhorn, I've got the answer for you. Hey, listen quickly, Josie.

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Speaker 2: When I was on maternity leave, I said this at

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Speaker 2: you know, just focus on a few media anyway, got

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Speaker 2: so frustrated. Do understand why people feel frustrated and have

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Speaker 2: this lack of trust in the media? Do you?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: And it's not just media, it's it's institutions, right, It's government,

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Speaker 4: it's government, it's government institutions as a general and New Zealand. Actually,

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Speaker 4: I think it's in the Adelman Trust Advice at Aidelman Barrometer,

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Speaker 4: the issues that the media focuses on, whether it's you know,

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Speaker 2: But when they focus in on something. I think the

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Speaker 2: Benjamin Doyle story was such an excellent example of why

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Speaker 2: then the media just focused on something else, being Winston Peter's.

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Speaker 3: A simple way to sum this up, and you get

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Speaker 3: They say the media don't have their finger on the pulse,

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Speaker 3: and that is a great way to sum it all up.

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Speaker 3: It's not reflective of what you know. Middle New Zealand

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Speaker 3: a tangent. And then if you mix the aut survey

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Speaker 3: feel that that is just not representative of where they are, a.

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Speaker 4: Remoteness from places we live, right. Yeah, it feels that

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Speaker 4: the media is just not connected. And it used to

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Speaker 4: be the job and you could do without a degree.

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Speaker 4: I mean, asked Mike Costing, you don't have to have

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Speaker 4: and diversitys it's all university education.

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Speaker 2: Trish. Is it okay not to sleep in the same

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Speaker 2: bed as your husband?

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Speaker 3: If I were in your situation right now, I would

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Speaker 3: just as you are.

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Speaker 2: How long can I stretch this.

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Speaker 3: For hey forever? But again, this is absolutely different strokes

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Speaker 3: for different folks. I am what sleep is one of

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Speaker 3: a half to nine hours a night. Any form of

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Speaker 3: disturbance is not great. And my biggest problem more is

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Speaker 3: that you know, I do have a very loving husband

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Speaker 3: in the night, and you know, I'm like Fukushima.

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Speaker 2: The core is just.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely melting down and I need calling.

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Speaker 4: Look, people who have have a higher rate of divorce.

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Speaker 4: That's a statistic. Don't ask me to source it, but

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Speaker 4: I read it, and so I. If you can't get

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Speaker 4: good sleep, you're not going to have a good marriage.

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Speaker 4: It's as simple as that. You're more irritable, you're less empathetic.

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Speaker 4: But enough about my marriage.

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Speaker 2: When your husband was on a boat for two months?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah. And actually I live in a different half

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Speaker 3: Can I just say I love waking up in the

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Speaker 3: night because I'm also an absolute baby when it comes

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Speaker 3: and having that lovely, warm person next to me, that

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Speaker 3: you can.

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Speaker 4: Be your husband.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And I don't even need to think about it,

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Speaker 3: and he just sort of knows and cuddles into me,

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Speaker 3: And I find that absolutely delicious.

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Speaker 2: Which is more selicious the Pocking Worn documentary or.

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Speaker 3: Trish Well, I don't think that's selictious.

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Speaker 2: It's different, guys.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 2: There's the sex music for you, Trish. I always pulled

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Speaker 2: that one out. Tricia's and Joseph Ganni a huddle this evening.

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