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Speaker 1: Jack Time, host of Q and A Saturday Mornings on

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Speaker 1: ZB and David Farreh of Kiwi Blog with US High Lads. Okay, Jack,

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Speaker 1: can we confirm that Nicola Willis's butter meeting with Miles

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Speaker 1: Hurrell was entirely pointless?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, look, look, the proof of the pudding is in

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Speaker 3: the eating or the churning in this case. So I'm

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Speaker 3: still hoping, holding out a hope that maybe Fonterra will

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Speaker 3: come out and find some elegant little pr solution when

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Speaker 3: they say great news for Kiwi consumers. Finally, we've been talking,

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Speaker 3: We've been talking about this two track economy for so long.

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Speaker 3: We're wondering where the impact of the of boom times

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Speaker 3: and in the ag sector are going to be filed.

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Speaker 1: Could Jack stop it, stop, stop stop stop. Let's just

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Speaker 1: deal with what you just said. Okay, So you think

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Speaker 1: that there is a chance that Federated Farmers fixes the

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Speaker 1: butter price for Nicola, The only way that they can

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Speaker 1: fix the butter price for Nicola is if they drop it.

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Speaker 1: And the only way that they can drop it is

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Speaker 1: if somebody else wears that price, which is the shareholders.

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Speaker 1: They can't do that.

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Speaker 2: Miles Horrel's liptation.

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Speaker 3: I think I think they might come up with an

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Speaker 3: elegant pr solution like what. You've spent enough time in

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Speaker 3: this business to know that sometimes, well a lot of

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Speaker 3: the time, spinning takes the place of meaningful change, and

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Speaker 3: I think that's the likeliest scenarios.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think, David?

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Speaker 2: I think it was entirely pointless economically because the price

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Speaker 2: of butter and international commodities is set by what demand

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Speaker 2: there is amongst billions of people and what supply there is,

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Speaker 2: and we don't like it, but that's reality. Politically, of course,

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Speaker 2: it's not pointless. It's to say, I care, I'm talking

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Speaker 2: to him, I'm kind of doing about it is putting

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Speaker 2: some pressure on Fonterra, but his Jack says, unless they

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Speaker 2: take a loss, they're unlikely to do anything. Now, sometimes

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Speaker 2: you can justify taking above a fiscool if you think

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Speaker 2: your reputational damage is going to be so bad. So

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Speaker 2: that might be something that goes in the mix there.

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Speaker 2: And really what it will come back down to is

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Speaker 2: how big is the new Zella mune Get compared to

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Speaker 2: the Closs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, David, do you think because I think you make

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Speaker 1: a fair point that Nicola might have done it to

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Speaker 1: kind of, you know, look empathetic, but was it worth

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Speaker 1: it for looking stupid? Because that is the payoff here

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Speaker 1: is that Nicola called mileson and said I need I

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Speaker 1: need to understand how this works, and everybody said, well,

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Speaker 1: we can tell you how it works because it's really

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Speaker 1: bloody obvious. And it just kind of like the performance

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Speaker 1: was too obvious. Don't you think, David, I don't know

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Speaker 1: that there's I don't I don't think any of this

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Speaker 1: is worth.

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Speaker 2: It's probably a watunate. Nicola spent seven years working for

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Speaker 2: fun Terror because normally that would work a lot there. No,

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Speaker 2: she was involved in pricing decisions at that, but it

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Speaker 2: does allow people to think you might actually just have

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Speaker 2: some idea, you know. I basically just explained that global

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Speaker 2: toply and demanded seat. But having said that, the average person,

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Speaker 2: people who read stuff every minute in the day and

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Speaker 2: listen to you NonStop, probably do get it about the

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Speaker 2: thing called But the average personal just and think, oh no,

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Speaker 2: miss trying to put some pressure on there on our side,

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Speaker 2: people aren't there into the My new tie is just

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Speaker 2: about the knuckle at the end of the day. If

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Speaker 2: it works and then it works. If it doesn't work,

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Speaker 2: you're probably not going to have lost anything by having

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Speaker 2: the meeting.

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Speaker 1: I disagree with David on that, Jack, because I think

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Speaker 1: what Nicola is losing his respect from commentators and losing

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Speaker 1: respect from commentators for performance politics only takes a little

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Speaker 1: bit of time before that then feeds through in negative

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Speaker 3: What's the alternative though, like that that she she does

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Speaker 3: does absolutely nothing like if she's weighing up losing a

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Speaker 3: respect with Joe Public, who didn't know that she worked

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Speaker 3: for Fontira for seven years and probably doesn't need to

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Speaker 3: sit down at the table with Miles Harrell with him saying,

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Speaker 3: so you start off with a cow, it's got four stomachs, yea,

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Speaker 3: you take him into a big paddy with lots of grass.

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I just think in the scheme of things,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's probably relatively elegant politicians and I can relatively.

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Speaker 2: I think us as a class probably over rate our

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Speaker 2: impact on people Trump, who get zero support from commentators

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Speaker 2: but has been quite successful not their home. Comparing Nicola

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Speaker 2: to Donald just to be and let us not.

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Speaker 3: Forget that that dare suggest that that these good day prices,

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Speaker 3: you know, expensive buster for us generally means good dairy

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Speaker 3: prices for dairy producers. And like to point out again

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Speaker 3: we've got a two track economy and arguably agriculture is

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Speaker 3: holding this country together the moment.

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Speaker 1: Listen is this was this homelessness report that came out

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Speaker 1: today exactly that everything that you were expecting when you

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Speaker 1: were having a track at TUMMA.

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Speaker 3: Paul Tucker, Yeah, yeah, I mean well, he finally said

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Speaker 3: in an interview to me that this report would show

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Speaker 3: that homelessness numbers were up and that a lot of

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Speaker 3: the frontline providers were saying that at least government policy

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Speaker 3: was partially to blame. I think what is clear from

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Speaker 3: this report is that there's a whole heap of things

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Speaker 3: that's contributing to an increase in reported homeless numbers at

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Speaker 3: the moment. But it is interesting because the government's been

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Speaker 3: incredibly successful in getting those emergency housing numbers down right,

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Speaker 3: the total What I'm.

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Speaker 1: Trying to say to you is this stuff is anecdotal, right.

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Speaker 1: I was looking for some firm numbers, and the best

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Speaker 1: that we've got as city councils are reporting kind of

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Speaker 1: reporting that they're seeing an increase. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: a slam dunk.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, the problem for like Talma Portak has previously said,

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Speaker 3: I think that like the census, is the only way

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Speaker 3: that you get absolutely firmed up numbers. I mean you

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Speaker 3: can go to different city councils and they do different

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Speaker 3: counts at different times. So I think the Hamilton City

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Speaker 3: Council is about to do their Aucklam City Council did

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Speaker 3: their last count just before Christmas, and you know that

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Speaker 3: they recorded this really significant uptick since the government changed

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Speaker 3: some of its emergency housing policy. Like I say, I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you can't link it singly to emergency housing because

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Speaker 3: they've done things like you know, they prioritize families to

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Speaker 3: the top of the social housing list, which I think

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Speaker 3: all of us would agree makes absolute total sense. But

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Speaker 3: also they have toughened up the criteria for emergency housing,

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Speaker 3: so if you are judged to have contributed to your situation,

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Speaker 3: then you can be declined.

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Speaker 1: Right, let's go, let's go to a break. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to break. David, I want to hear what you think

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Speaker 1: called to two back with a huddle, Jack Tame, David Pharaoh, Right, David,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of the homelessness report?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you have a very careful about even

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Speaker 2: the sense of start, because when you read about a

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Speaker 2: number of people homeless, you and I probably would think

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Speaker 2: that's people living literally on the streets or living in carts,

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Speaker 2: but actually the sense of starta ninety percent of those

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Speaker 2: called homeless and just what you call a transitional thing

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Speaker 2: where they might be it's been at a cousin's face

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Speaker 2: for a few weeks, at seat crash your friends, don't

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Speaker 2: get me wrong. Not ideal, but not homeless. I mean

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Speaker 2: in the home, it's secure, its warm face. So I think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's very careful with any of the start that comes out.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, there are very good

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Speaker 2: community providers like downtown s him Ministry or emissions who

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Speaker 3: At capacity, as in they.

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Speaker 2: Go around and everyone who's on the streets knows they

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Speaker 2: can go there if they want to. Unfortunately, you've got

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Speaker 2: really to mental health, drag issues, etc. Where not everyone

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Speaker 2: takes them up. So yeah, what we need to do

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Speaker 2: is support those providers, but also understand that, yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: not just a matter of having available revision, it's far

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Speaker 2: more complicated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about what Oli Peterson said about

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Speaker 1: he thinks it's weird that men work in childcare and

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Speaker 1: he would not want his three year old looked after

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Speaker 1: by a man.

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Speaker 3: Ah, Well, I wouldn't have a problem my children being

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Speaker 3: looked after by a man. What I would have a

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Speaker 3: problem is my child being looked after in any environment

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Speaker 3: were like teachers of any gender were one on one

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Speaker 3: with them in a kind of private space. You know,

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Speaker 3: I would find that a bit weird. And I think, no, No,

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Speaker 3: I think I mean in like in a public childcare.

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Speaker 1: What's the difference, because.

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Speaker 3: This is ultimately it is ultimately a judgment call, like

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Speaker 3: you need to Yeah, I suppose you have to have

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Speaker 3: it's a question of trust, right, But I think I

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Speaker 3: think providing an environment in those public spaces where you

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Speaker 3: don't have the chance to get to know educated as

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Speaker 3: well as you might with a nanny or an opia

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Speaker 3: or something like that, and I think, yeah, just making

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Speaker 3: sure that it was a space where educators aren't one

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Speaker 3: on one privately with children I think would be important.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I have no problem with the guy, honestly, though,

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Speaker 3: I just I'm full of admiration because I just if

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Speaker 3: I am exhausted. I just can't. I cannot imagine.

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Speaker 1: Third friend, you've got it coming at you. You're only

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Speaker 1: about six months away from the David, what do you think?

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about it?

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Speaker 2: This angers me. I've actually found a lot of time

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Speaker 2: on this issue. We need more male ECU teachers. That's

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Speaker 2: all mean a pedophiles? Can we get passer? No?

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Speaker 1: Not no, that's not fair, David. Not all mean are pedophiles?

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Speaker 2: Why teachers? The same reason woman too? You love kids?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with you time, but does.

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Speaker 2: With my kids there? And you know what, not having

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Speaker 2: male teachers is bad. In fact, when I'm in there

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Speaker 2: is a male parent, the kids flop to you because

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Speaker 2: they're actually looking for those male role models there. But

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Speaker 2: he is also the unfortunate realm. This is what makes

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Speaker 2: it so tough. All those teachers kids have veriou feature

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Speaker 2: that come up, They on your lap, They want you

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Speaker 2: to read books in them and the entire time. If

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Speaker 2: you're a guy, at the back of your mind, you're

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Speaker 2: just like make sure there's other parents around who can

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Speaker 2: see where are your hands? Where are the is never

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Speaker 2: totally relaxing. This is the reality, unfortunately, ever since the

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Speaker 2: Peter Las case. Basically, this one's nonsense. So I think

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Speaker 2: anyone who takes their attitude about I don't want to

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Speaker 2: mail there. I've been involved in scouting movement. We need

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Speaker 2: to speaks.

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Speaker 1: I've got to go.

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Speaker 2: Sure it does leave.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, thank you. I just felt that there

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Speaker 1: was another story coming and I thought, no, we haven't

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Speaker 1: got time for that. Thanks lads, appreciate it. David and

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