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Speaker 1: Time for politics Wednesday, Jinny Anderson Mark Mitchell with us.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to both of you.

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Speaker 2: Morning Mike wanting Jinny.

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Speaker 3: Morning to you both.

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Speaker 1: Jinny, hand on heart. And I'm not trying to single

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Speaker 1: you out as an individual who might be slacking around

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Speaker 1: at the moment, but what do you do when the

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Speaker 1: House isn't sitting, when you're in opposition and you're a

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Speaker 1: list MP?

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Speaker 3: I mean honestly, So so far, I've gone and visited

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Speaker 3: the construction site at Auckland Airport, looked at the new

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Speaker 3: beld On Domestic and the jobs and Skills hub there

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Speaker 3: and seeing how that's been going. I visited toad on

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Speaker 3: it and looked at zespri for the day and looked

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Speaker 3: at how gold can be through to tracking what jobs

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Speaker 3: are going, what their labor needs are. Yesterday I went

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Speaker 3: and saw the un video game how the Rebate's going

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Speaker 3: so pick pop video. They got the forty million government

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Speaker 3: under labor rebate and their growth and their jobs as

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Speaker 3: a result of that increase we delivered last.

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Speaker 1: Budget superb answer they should.

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Speaker 3: Be getting over six seven hundred million. And I saw

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Speaker 3: the city Mission and the increase of meeting Phittamine also

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Speaker 3: homelessness on the streets, so very good answer.

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Speaker 1: How much of that is driven by you? So in

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Speaker 1: other words, you go right, got a recess. Here's what

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do with my time.

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Speaker 3: But of both YEA that people will help me plan

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Speaker 3: out things. I wouldn't plan that level of detail without

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Speaker 3: the help of the Labor Leader's office, so they definitely

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Speaker 3: help book me in my own EA helps put me

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Speaker 3: in but I will also have an idea of some

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Speaker 3: areas that I want to grow my understanding of where

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Speaker 3: the economy is working and not working and what kind

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Speaker 3: of information I need. And I personally really enjoy getting

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Speaker 3: up close meeting people working on construction working in those areas,

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Speaker 3: understanding what the pressures on the economy are and how

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Speaker 3: we can work better. And New Zealand's really good for that.

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Speaker 3: You can get and ask some questions and find out

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Speaker 3: some really good information and it's part of the job

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Speaker 3: that I really love.

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Speaker 1: Good Have you been busy, Mark?

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Speaker 2: Not the last couple of days, I've been really busy

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Speaker 2: in a very remote location in Northern Balley trying to

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Speaker 2: spear Mahi mahi of spear Fisher. But I have to

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Speaker 2: say I did delay my trip by four days because

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Speaker 2: we had the weather bomb come through and that keept

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Speaker 2: me pretty busy. But look, I think it's great that

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Speaker 2: Ginny's e been looking and chicking out number one. You know,

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Speaker 2: obviously they've we've come through a very difficult time as

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Speaker 2: the country. But there's a lot of great stuff hippen

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Speaker 2: yet there, and I think we're definitely on the right track.

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Speaker 1: Are you up in Barley at the moment? Yes, I

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Speaker 1: am past four in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is. And I had to I had to

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Speaker 2: find somewhere that I could get coverage on my phone because,

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Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not in the tourist here, I'm

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Speaker 2: in a very remote area a million miles from nowhere.

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Speaker 1: You're catching your fish?

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna ask me there? Like you'd make a

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Speaker 2: million excuses. The reality is no, they had not caught

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Speaker 2: a fish.

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Speaker 1: So you've gone all the way to Asia to fish

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Speaker 1: you just caught no fish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but look for me, it's getting in the water.

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Speaker 2: There's no phones and you can just disconnect and and

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Speaker 2: I just yeah, And it's just a beautiful part of

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Speaker 2: the world. Some of the best spear fishing in the world.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, it's my couple of days some of.

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Speaker 1: The best spear fishing in the world. Just you haven't quite.

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Speaker 2: Excuse I'll just haven't quite been able to get well

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Speaker 2: myself yet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, Jenny Hipkins is calling for the Mallory pat

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Speaker 1: is it today? The Privileges Committee?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, to be honest, he's calling on.

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Speaker 1: Them to turn up today. I thought everyone was the

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Speaker 1: Privileges Committee will meet when the Parliament's not sitting.

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Speaker 3: It can do it, can do it, it can determine

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Speaker 3: its own program. But to be honest, I've been out

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Speaker 3: and about. I haven't been in the precinct, so I

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Speaker 3: don't know when they're due to a peer.

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Speaker 1: Should they appear, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They should, and it's a good But they've also asked

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Speaker 3: I think from what I understand is they've also asked

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Speaker 3: to have support people in a peer And I think

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Speaker 3: I agree with the view that if tea kunga is

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Speaker 3: going to be used in Parliament, there needs to be

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Speaker 3: a discussion around that. So I think it's probably quite

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Speaker 3: a worth while discussion, not just for their specific case,

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Speaker 3: but for us going forward as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you get to make up would anybody else get

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Speaker 1: to make up the rules and go? Look, I've been

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Speaker 1: called to the Privilege Committee. But I'm not really turning up.

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Speaker 1: I'm inventing my own rules and I won't turn up

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Speaker 1: and I'll turn up when I want to. And as

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Speaker 1: long as this person can, does anybody else get to

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Speaker 1: get away with that sort of behavior.

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Speaker 3: Well, people get asked how they want to appear, where

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Speaker 3: they want to support people with them, what time, so

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Speaker 3: that people do get asked in terms of that sort

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Speaker 3: of level. But to be honest, not before. I haven't

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Speaker 3: seen before this kind of dancing around about when or

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Speaker 3: not all apia, So that has been a bit different.

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Speaker 1: I'll say, all right, let's take a brief break. We'll

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Speaker 1: come back in the moment. Marke Minchell, Ginny Anderson thirteen

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Speaker 1: past New Stalks have been caught a past that, Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Anderson and Mark Mitchellweathers Mark despite the fact you're in

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Speaker 1: balley looking to spear fish. The New Zealand first to

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Speaker 1: put in a member's bill defining a woman comes out

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Speaker 1: of that British decision at the Supreme Court last week.

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Speaker 1: As a local MP is defining a woman those sort

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Speaker 1: of issues. Does that occupy people's mind or is this

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Speaker 1: just one of these niche issues that the small group

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Speaker 2: As a locally pee for me and my electate, that

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Speaker 2: hasn't mean walk forward as an issue that I've had

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Speaker 2: to deal on an individual basis, or an issue that's

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Speaker 2: been forward. Isn't it for my electorate? However? You know,

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Speaker 2: bought a bill Ford and that's entirely up to them.

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Speaker 1: If it was a conscience boat, how would you vote.

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Speaker 2: I'd have to see the bill. It's really hard to

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Speaker 2: even comment on it unless you've actually seen what's in

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Speaker 2: the bill.

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Speaker 1: Is there an issue, Ginny?

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Speaker 3: I think there are bigger issues out there right now.

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Speaker 3: I do think it's a distraction. And it seems weird

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Speaker 3: that they had a bill about bathrooms and they've taken

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Speaker 3: that out, updated it with this one. It seems like

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Speaker 3: it's the same thing but another I just I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, look, I actually support what the Supreme Court in

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Speaker 1: Britain said, But having said that, I just don't know

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Speaker 1: how exercise people are on any given day about something

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Speaker 1: like this.

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Speaker 3: People are more worried about paying their bills and buying

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Speaker 3: food and paying rental mortgage than doing this.

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Speaker 1: This would it be.

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Speaker 3: Some people are, but you know, majority of people I

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Speaker 3: deal with, they're not concerned.

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Speaker 1: Would you would have a conscience vote? Do you expect?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Conscience votes are just usually things like like alcohol is always,

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Speaker 3: things like abortion or euthanasia are. But I think it's

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Speaker 3: a determination by the clerk and that in terms of

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Speaker 3: whether it falls in as a conscience photo or not.

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Speaker 3: And parties can choose whether they think it is a

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Speaker 3: part conscience vote or not. But that determination sometimes is

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Speaker 3: not an easy one to make.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So there are conventions around what normally does fall

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Speaker 2: inside of a conscience vote. However, caucuses have got the

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Speaker 2: ability to decide themselves whether they want to treat a

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Speaker 2: voter as a conscious vote.

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Speaker 1: Would you vote Mark on Easter if they went to

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Speaker 1: change Easter? I tried to avoid it because it's so boring,

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Speaker 1: But nevertheless, if they well, I mean, you know it's

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Speaker 1: every year and on Sunday. How would you vote Sunday

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Speaker 1: if you voted on it tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean Kieren Mechanolty spills going through the house

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Speaker 2: at the moment, and at the first reading, I've voted

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Speaker 2: to support that any day, isn't it? Yeah, only because

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Speaker 2: I do like people having you know, I do like

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Speaker 2: the idea of people having their own choice in terms

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Speaker 1: And so what what where? Where'd you vote? Jenny?

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Speaker 3: I think it needs a tidy up, you know, you

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Speaker 3: do see you know, you've got to different places and

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Speaker 1: Paying it's insane. The whole thing's in sorry.

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Speaker 3: Charges and it just seems weird and they're not you know,

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Speaker 3: So I think it probably needs sort of party consensus

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Speaker 3: across the board that it needs a tidy up. Here

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Speaker 3: are the broad parameters, and we should just do it

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Speaker 3: as an agreement, because that's the thing about everybody's interests.

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Speaker 1: Sure, that's the thing about conscience, vance, isn't it? Mark

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Speaker 1: What you vote on. Conscience is not necessarily why you're

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Speaker 1: way do you favor as an electric imp Do you

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Speaker 2: So I go to the electorate, and there's no right

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Speaker 2: or wrong answer, but I just feel strong in myself

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Speaker 2: majority view and I'll do public meetings. I'll do surveys

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Speaker 2: and I'll do I'll have a ballot, what's and own

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Speaker 2: they are a member of the Electric and vote on it.

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Speaker 2: Other in peace take the view that they've been voted

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Speaker 2: in by the Electrics, so they're trusting them with that conscience. Folk,

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Speaker 2: there's no right or wrong. I just go off what

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Speaker 1: Wants and what about you, Jinny, I'd probably do a

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Speaker 1: bit of both.

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Speaker 3: There's always good engagement on things like social media and

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Speaker 3: every couple of weeks and people will tell me what

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Speaker 3: they think, so that gives you a good gauge or

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Speaker 3: when where people are at and you sort of weigh

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Speaker 3: up those views along with your own and think, you know,

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Speaker 3: what's the best outcome. So yeah, on those ones. And

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Speaker 3: it's interesting too because these sort of and the way

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Speaker 3: it's voted with things like abortion in euthanasia, as it's

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Speaker 3: often the Christian members on both sides to vote against,

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Speaker 3: and then it's small liberal ones on both sides and

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Speaker 3: Labor National writing the same on some of those issues.

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Speaker 3: In Labor National, how are more you know, fundamentalists and

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Speaker 3: their views voting the same way.

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Speaker 1: Do you find normal people out of the markets?

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Speaker 3: You do get a whole range of people there, But

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Speaker 3: the Riverbank Markets and the Heart are outstanding for cheap

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Speaker 3: vegis and really good takeaway phone as well. I have

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Speaker 3: a special favor to ask Mike.

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Speaker 1: Yes please.

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Speaker 3: My daughter Eliza is eleven today and she's listening on

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Speaker 3: the radio in the kitchen, and she asked me if

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Speaker 3: I would ask the man with the magic DJ boys

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Speaker 3: if he would say hippy birthday Eliza.

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Speaker 1: Da ginny hand on heart?

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Speaker 3: Did she use.

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Speaker 1: Did she use the words magic DJ voice?

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Speaker 3: She might have, like just in the hope of getting it.

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Speaker 1: Well, Eliza, I wish you a very very happy birthday,

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Speaker 1: and I hope Mama's got you the greatest gift of

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Speaker 1: all time and that you're happy with it and this

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Speaker 1: cake and this celebration and you're still too young for

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Speaker 1: a boyfriend. How does that go?

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Speaker 3: Very much?

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Eliza.

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Speaker 1: Not at all? Mark, was the plane full going up

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Speaker 1: or not? Tourism question?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was. It was, It was pecked,

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Speaker 2: it was, it was ruthful.

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Speaker 1: Could you see all the way to the back of

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Speaker 1: the plane from where you were.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was lucky, I admit I was flying premium economy.

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Speaker 2: It was really nice. Well, I did give up my

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Speaker 2: seat for someone very anxious, and yes, because they were

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Speaker 2: sitting in the middle, and they were very anxious about

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Speaker 2: sitting in the middle, and they asked if if they

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Speaker 2: could swap seats with me because I wasn't and I

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Speaker 2: was on the outside, and I said, you, of course,

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Speaker 2: there you go. So we so we swap seats.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's a nice thing to mind you. If

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Speaker 1: you hadn't done it, someone would have social media in

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Speaker 1: it and they would have done Metell refuses to give

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Speaker 1: up seat that would have been in the Herald on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: I try to stay like it from economy into business

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Speaker 3: by saying I feel really anxious.

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Speaker 1: Did you just just go up and say I'm so anxious?

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Speaker 1: Somebody helped me.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: What are you doing for Eliza? By the way, today, Jenny,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing?

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Speaker 3: I met my mum and dad's out and we still clan.

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Speaker 3: So we're having a picnic lunch at Peter at the beach.

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Speaker 1: There you nice day for it, too, beautiful blue sky, fantastic,

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Speaker 1: all right, for you two joint and marking you on

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Speaker 1: holiday the entire time. We're going to see you in

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Speaker 1: tail It and Balley next week or no.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I'm back. I'm becking a couple of days.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a very it was. It was

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Speaker 2: a shortened visit, but I'm loving it. I'm with Sierra.

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Speaker 2: We're a remote past Balley absolutely stunning. Good and good

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Speaker 2: way to reach out to picture excellent.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, I'll send my usual duty free list

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Speaker 1: and you can take care of that.

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