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Speaker 1: Time now for politics. Wednesday, Mark Mitchell's with us from

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Speaker 1: India and Ginny Anderson's with us from the Hut.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning money mate.

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Speaker 1: Am I correct in saying, Mark, you are there in

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Speaker 1: your role Indigenous Communities Minister.

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Speaker 2: Of Ethnic Communities and also sport and Rex So. Sport's

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Speaker 2: been a big part of the discussions over here. We

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Speaker 2: signed a memorandum of cooperation and Prime Minister Modiu himself,

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Speaker 2: we had lunch with him yesterday and a big chunk

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Speaker 2: of our conversation was around sport.

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Speaker 1: Have you won on one with them?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we had. I had lunch. I was very lucky.

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Speaker 2: I came out in twenty sixteen with Sir John Key

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Speaker 2: and had lunch and said at the same table as him,

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Speaker 2: and the same thing happened this time around with Chris

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Speaker 2: so No. I had some really good time with him.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, he's very interested in sport. He's

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Speaker 2: trying to roll out sport and get a big focus

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Speaker 2: on sport in India and he sees that there's a

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Speaker 2: lot that we can do that they want to do

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Speaker 2: with New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Was he getting some tips from the Black Caps? I

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Speaker 1: would have thought they already had that cricket.

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Speaker 2: Pretty good at cricket. They're pretty good at cricket, but

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Speaker 2: he wants to broaden that base and get and funnily enough,

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Speaker 2: they had the captain of the Indian rugby team there,

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Speaker 2: and rugby something that they really want to focus on.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. He has a they say an X factor of charisma.

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Speaker 1: Is that true?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt, Absolutely, without a doubt, And that

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Speaker 2: has grown the first time that I met him back

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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, he is a relatively new leader. He's

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Speaker 2: been doing the job for a while and I noticed

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Speaker 2: a big difference, you know, But without a doubt, he's

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Speaker 2: got a real presence about him.

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Speaker 1: All right now, Jenny, As far as you're concern, I

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Speaker 1: can come off a bunch of stuff. Barbara Edmonds who

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Speaker 1: spoke to the investment conference last week, and there was

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Speaker 1: very good piece. If you read the piece in the

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Speaker 1: Where was It? Newsroom? If you read the piece labor

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Speaker 1: and PPPs, your stance on PPPs seems to have come

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Speaker 1: and gone change, twisted up and down, black and right,

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Speaker 1: right and wrong. Do you have a definitive position on

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Speaker 1: PPPs or not?

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Speaker 3: We do, Yeah. We don't like them for things like schools,

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Speaker 3: and prisons and also hospital so areas where these public

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Speaker 3: services provided not a big thing. But we have been

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Speaker 3: pretty clear about the fact that if National goes into

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Speaker 3: a deal and does one, we won't wind it back

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Speaker 3: as it happened over the last year or so, because

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Speaker 3: what we saw was a whole lot of construction workers

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Speaker 3: leaving New Zealand thirteen thousand and that's not good for economy,

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Speaker 3: not good for jobs in wages. So we won't do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, but part of it also says if there

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Speaker 1: is a benefit to New Zealand, what if they can

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Speaker 1: say I don't know a school and they can show

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Speaker 1: a benefit to New Zealand. Does that negate the nose

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Speaker 1: schools thing or does it or not?

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Speaker 3: No, we don't think. We think there are some basic

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Speaker 3: things like schools, prisons, hospitals where we don't agree with PPPs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, what.

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Speaker 2: If you had an e we come forward and so

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Speaker 2: that they wanted to to do a PPP with the

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Speaker 3: Look, there are there. We think there are some fundamental areas.

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Speaker 3: We don't like charter schools. We have charter schools already

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Speaker 3: if people do that, but in our view that there

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Speaker 3: are some basic public services, we're making a profit out

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Speaker 3: of them, doesn't help them. School lunchers would be a

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Speaker 3: great example where you had something that was being provided

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Speaker 3: by locally, you've got a big provider coming in making

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Speaker 3: a profit from it, and a lot of those times

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Speaker 3: they fall over when you're providing a public good.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you raised the charter schools because in the

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Speaker 1: cancels everything like this current government has. And yet he

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Speaker 3: I think we've new Zealanders are tired of flicking back

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Speaker 3: from one thing to the other. Yes, every three years.

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Speaker 3: Yes we have some fundamental ideological problems, but it's also

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Speaker 3: And we're just going to be helped back if we

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Speaker 3: keep flicking back and forward. So if there's a big

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Speaker 1: You could say this morning, so the charter school's up

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Speaker 1: and operating now, so they will be up and operating

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Speaker 1: for at least two years by the time if you

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Speaker 1: you would leave those alone.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to make education policy on newsbooks.

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Speaker 2: You'd be.

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Speaker 3: But my understanding is the way we want to proceed.

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Speaker 3: If there's a big thing in place and it's working, okay,

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Speaker 2: And this is the exact problem that we've got with

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Speaker 3: Tom, don't even start you. Look what you've done in

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Speaker 3: terms of the infrastructure projects.

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Speaker 2: That you are. Let me finish, finish, let me let

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Speaker 2: me finish. Ginny, you can't even be unequivocal about whether

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Speaker 2: or not charter schools are going to Stone. You're just

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Speaker 2: giving us a big litera that we can't keep dropping

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Speaker 2: back and forward. No, you didn't. You just said that

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Speaker 2: you're not going to get into education policy. We'll get

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Speaker 2: into it. You just said that you're not going to

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Speaker 2: the problem, not the problem if we had they're all over.

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Speaker 3: The Red stood up pretty clearly and stated that if

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Speaker 3: there's big projects that have gone ahead, and that's why

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Speaker 3: big investment, and we've sent people there to give a

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Speaker 3: strong message out to those international partners that we support

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Speaker 3: of if they give us jobs, if they give us wages,

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Speaker 3: and they're good for New Zealanders, but we need to

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Speaker 3: keep an eye on the fact that if big companies

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Speaker 1: Mark you'll know the answer to this. This is on

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Speaker 1: social media. You know Ben Thomas, the guy who used

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Speaker 1: he's on the X and it says incredible, incredible effort,

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Speaker 1: reports Bush. This is Bishop Christopher was handing out medals

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Speaker 1: New Zealand month T shirt, Music month T shirt and jeans.

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Speaker 1: He may not have even been home between Home Grind

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Speaker 1: and Meo New He sets is Chris Bishop, the sort

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Speaker 1: of person who would stay out all night having watched

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Speaker 1: a bit of music to hand out medals the next morning.

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Speaker 2: He loves he loves Seahard. I know that, and absolutely

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Speaker 2: he had turned up the next day for the week

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Speaker 2: Books Kids Trithel. It's such a great event. So and

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Speaker 2: he's put a lot of work into this International Investment

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Speaker 2: Summit as well. I just want to say one thing

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Speaker 2: really quickly, like we should be really proud of our

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Speaker 2: Prime minister. He has done us proud up here. We

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Speaker 2: are back at the table for an FTA with India,

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Speaker 2: which is huge for US as a country with there's

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Speaker 2: lots of global headwinds. You know, our Prime minister's getting

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Speaker 2: on with solutions and getting things done, whereas the other

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Speaker 2: And we're not even.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Mark, we got not even UK big deal.

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Speaker 2: Not even we're not even paying much attention.

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Speaker 3: Don't make that moment.

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Speaker 2: We're just we're just getting on and getting things done,

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Speaker 3: I would like to respond to that if I could. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you care free trade deal with the EU and the UK.

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Speaker 3: They were fundamental and we all see you.

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Speaker 1: To be fair Joenny as crap. But but the UK

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Speaker 1: one is a winner. There's no that's gold stand there's

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Speaker 3: And I don't have to say on top of that.

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Speaker 3: China took a long time, but the deal.

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Speaker 1: With Yes, your labor for our forever got got in

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Speaker 1: bid with the Chinese. That is true. By the way,

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Speaker 1: do you need to be a she had fan to

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Speaker 1: be successful and you're part of the world, Jinny as

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Speaker 1: a local MP is that part of the UH does help.

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Speaker 3: But there are many other excellent bands as well as

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Speaker 3: she had, which I would vouch for.

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Speaker 1: Mark, can you stop muting yourself? I mean, for goodness sake,

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Speaker 1: it's every week he's on he's on his cheek, his

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Speaker 1: there as an Indian Hotels. Hello, Oh, muted myself, Jenny.

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Speaker 1: While we're waiting for him to unmute himself. In a

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Sorry, it's mad.

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Speaker 1: It's embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even get to talk about that Indian free

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Speaker 2: He cut me.

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Speaker 1: On anyway back home, But Jenny, back home, White to

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Speaker 1: Tea giving Seymour a good effing hiding, is it? Do

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Speaker 1: they get a free pass? If you'd said that, would

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Speaker 3: I think they've got a fear bit of coverage style.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they did get into trouble from

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Speaker 1: They don't. That's my point. It seems that if you're

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Speaker 1: in the Maori Party, you can do anything, say anything,

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Speaker 2: Definitely, the keeps dropping out, So what if? I most

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Speaker 2: probably not speaking to be honest? Thanks, Mark, just all

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Speaker 2: just be honest. It's always vigorous.

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Speaker 3: No, we're talking about David Seymour and and the Multi

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Speaker 3: party and the the LAWNSI.

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Speaker 2: I mean so that often I told you what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: You're on hold, Mark, Sorry, carry on, Jenny, I'm not disappearing.

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Speaker 3: Look, I would never have seen that, and I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's It's a great idea at all. But I

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Speaker 3: genuinely thought that that was unacceptable. So I don't know

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Speaker 3: if he got away with it. I think what Dave

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Speaker 3: David Seymour pretty much waded straight in there. But it

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Speaker 3: gets to the point when it's those two I think

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Speaker 3: two editor gains.

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Speaker 2: What do you say just quickly before well, no one

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Speaker 2: wants no one lots bullies do the Jenny so and

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Speaker 2: this bullying behavior without a doubt. And I think that

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Speaker 2: want to give someone a hiding, to me and my view,

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Speaker 2: it's just totally unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: Is part of it mark that we don't take them seriously?

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Speaker 1: It's just it's them again? Is there a bit of

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Speaker 1: that about it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: I think, well that's a big part of it. I

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Speaker 2: can tell you now that if a national MP came

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Speaker 2: out and said something, you would be all over it.

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Speaker 2: They'll be calling for resignations. But for some reason, because

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Speaker 2: it's the married party, they yet given a free ticket

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Speaker 2: super quick.

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Speaker 1: Jinny given Chris was on the radio with our Wellington

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Speaker 1: people saying you couldn't find a Wellington candidate for the mayor.

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Speaker 1: Should parties in general this is the act story. Should

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Speaker 1: parties in general be involved in local body politics?

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a tough one at pros and cons. There

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Speaker 3: are some good reasons at it because it actually helps

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Speaker 3: me more organized on the ground, and I've seen that

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Speaker 3: in the hearts. We've done quite well having good, strong

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Speaker 3: candidates out here. But it needs to fat. They need

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Speaker 3: to that you know that they want to be part

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Speaker 3: of that party and the party needs to want them.

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Speaker 3: So if that's all working well, it can go really well.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's essential that you can do it

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Speaker 3: without it.

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Speaker 1: So all right, Mark, you off to bed.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm up in a bit. Four us. We've

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Speaker 2: got to very early start to get to get up

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Speaker 2: to Bumboy today.

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Speaker 1: Good on you go. Well, we'll catch up next week.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson.

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