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Speaker 1: Bright iron Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Rich Trump has well. He is set to speak with

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Speaker 2: leaders of Canada and Mexico in just a few hours.

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Speaker 2: It comes as both of those countries announced they will

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Speaker 2: impose tariffs and retaliation. China, which has also been in

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Speaker 2: the news and hit by the tariffs, has said it'll

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Speaker 2: take the case to the World Trade Organization. Scott Brown

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Speaker 2: is a former US Ambassador to New Zealand. Scott, good evening, Well,

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Speaker 2: good evening to you, Scott. Great to have you on

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Speaker 2: the show. As always, is this phone call? Are these

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Speaker 2: phone calls going to change anything?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of course, it's part of the process. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have already been seeing success. Obviously, we saw it

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Speaker 1: with some of the people that were here illegally being

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Speaker 1: returned to a country and the President said that he

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Speaker 1: would impose tariffs and other things in the President reversed

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Speaker 1: his course. I think it was Columbia, if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 1: That being said, we have a poorest border, not only

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Speaker 1: in Mexico but in Canada as well, and the fentanyl's

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Speaker 1: coming through. People who are not supposed to be there

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Speaker 1: are coming through. And the President's been asking for quite

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Speaker 1: a while to, you know, close the border and allow

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Speaker 1: for the stay in Mexico policy and a whole host

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Speaker 1: of other things. And the reason that tariffs are a tool,

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Speaker 1: one of the tools in the toolbox is that you know,

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Speaker 1: there's there's some of these products that are in other countries.

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Speaker 1: We're being taxed to death, and yet they're coming into

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Speaker 1: our countries at a much lesser rate. So it's a mechanism,

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Speaker 1: it's a tool. You know. I'm sure that they'll ultimately

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Speaker 1: work it out.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys happy, I mean, are Republicans happy to

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Speaker 2: pay more for goods and services if it means if

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Speaker 2: it allows Trump to do this, because that's the outcome, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, it could be sure. Yeah, if we're talking about

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Speaker 1: national security and we got to pay a little bit

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Speaker 1: more from milk or cheese or butter, yeah, of course

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Speaker 1: we're okay with that, because you know, we have to

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Speaker 1: secure a border, we have to stop the flow of

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Speaker 1: sent and all. It's killing you know, the next generation

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Speaker 1: of people, and they're not listening. So well we're going

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Speaker 1: to make them listen. And I think it's important to

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Speaker 1: get those two issues especially resolve.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon that the Mexicans actually have the capability

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Speaker 2: to stop the flow of migrants infentional.

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Speaker 1: Well, they certainly have a mechanism they did before to

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Speaker 1: keep them. Seeing Mexico policy right now, the cartels are

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Speaker 1: obviously controlling way more than they did during President Trump's

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Speaker 1: previous term. That's why he's designated them, designated them a

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Speaker 1: terrorist organization, so they can actually be more aggressive in

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Speaker 1: stopping the cartels. I would argue and suggest, as in

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Speaker 1: the year's path, it would be a joint effort, not

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Speaker 1: only would the US but with Mexico, you know, on

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Speaker 1: both sides of the border to secure it. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: believe they have the tools and resources to do so.

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Speaker 2: Sure, this is at the moment seems to be very

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Speaker 2: much about fentanal. I mean, regardless of whether Trump has

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Speaker 2: wider reasons for doing this, at the moment, the stated

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Speaker 2: reasons are fentional and migration. Does that mean that we

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Speaker 2: should not worry because you know, we're not big on

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Speaker 2: exporting finel from New Zealand. It's more you know, shade

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Speaker 2: and beef products, dairy products.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, first of all, hello to everybody. I've

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Speaker 1: been actually speaking with your new ambassador elect and now

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Speaker 1: listen to sixteen billion dollars of trade. That's relatively even.

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Speaker 1: I have not heard anything to say that, oh, what,

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Speaker 1: We're going to impose tariffs on New Zealand. Obviously we

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Speaker 1: have the milk and dairy and that issue that's always

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Speaker 1: been there. You know. I'm hopeful that the new ambassador

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Speaker 1: will pursue a free trade agreement with New Zealand as

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Speaker 1: has been since the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds.

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Speaker 1: Presidents past have said, yeah, we need to do it,

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Speaker 1: and I know Winston Peters is working in a hrclean

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Speaker 1: way to get that done. He did with me and

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Speaker 1: we were able to do the Kiwi Act and then

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Speaker 1: he's done other things with the ambassador. You'd all as well,

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Speaker 1: And it's really important to get a free trade agreement

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Speaker 1: with New Zealand and I'm one hundred percent behind it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but doesn't that not far on the fights? Because

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, it'll be fantastic. But doesn't that

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Speaker 2: fly in the face of Trump's I mean, he's called

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Speaker 2: himself missed tariff, you know, and if TI in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand would seem to fly on the fight of that,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't it No?

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Speaker 1: Because you know, when you're talking about the tariff issue itself,

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Speaker 1: it's because we're not getting fair access to to other countries.

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Speaker 1: And we are with New Zealand, it's a pretty balanced trade.

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Speaker 1: But with China, you know, they you know, the free

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Speaker 1: speech issues for example. I mean they have, for example, TikTok.

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Speaker 1: They don't even allow it in their own country, but

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Speaker 1: it's in our country. A lot of the goods that

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Speaker 1: we want to have, whether it's cars or any type

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Speaker 1: of manufacturing, you know, it's it's they don't allow it

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Speaker 1: without massive terraces. And you know, we just want a

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Speaker 1: more free access to these markets that we allow in return.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it could be any country. There's motorcycles,

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Speaker 1: I believe in India or you know, there's all different

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Speaker 1: types of things that you need to just make it fair.

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Speaker 1: Let's compare and a let's let's battle on a on

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Speaker 1: a fair basis. I think that's really the key.

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Speaker 2: Scott, Thank you for the Scott Brown, former US Ambassador

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