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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from news Talks at b Start your weekend off in style.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Team and bpuret dot co dot

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Speaker 2: B mor in a good Morning New Zealand, welcome to

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Speaker 2: news doorgs. He'd be Jack Tayman the hot seat with

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Speaker 2: you through to midday today after ninety two years. In

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Speaker 2: a few hours, Lady June, Hillary will be remembered in Auckland.

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Speaker 2: A remarkable life, remarkable life of service and experience. And

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Speaker 2: this morning on Newstalks, he'd be We are going to

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Speaker 2: turn back the hands of time a little bit and

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Speaker 2: consider the ways in which that great mountain associated with

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Speaker 2: the Hillary name has changed since nineteen fifty three, The

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Speaker 2: incredible ways that Mount Everest has changed since Tensing and

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Speaker 2: Hillary first made it to the summit in nineteen fifty three.

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Speaker 2: Our feature interview this morning is a guy who spent

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Speaker 2: about thirty years writing incredible pieces of journalism about Mount Everest.

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Speaker 2: He's perhaps reported on the mountain more than anyone else,

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Speaker 2: and he's written a new book looking at the incredible

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Speaker 2: industry of climbing Mount Everest. So long gone are the

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Speaker 2: days when amateur mountaineers would scramble their way to the top.

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Speaker 2: These days, of course, Everest equals big business. So he's

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Speaker 2: going to be with us after ten o'clock to tell

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Speaker 2: us a little bit about that. Really looking forward to

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Speaker 2: that interview before ten o'clock. If you're looking for a

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Speaker 2: sweet treat this weekend, or a plumb and coconut bar recipe,

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Speaker 2: plus your film picks for the weekend. If you're looking

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Speaker 2: good for something to watch, pass way a couple of hours.

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Speaker 2: Right now is nine minutes past nine.

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Speaker 3: Team.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, how much wealth do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: Is just the right amount of wealth? How rich is

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Speaker 2: too rich? It's funny. I had a like, a successful

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Speaker 2: businessman friend of mine tell me once that the Goldilocks

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Speaker 2: zone for wealth is a mortgage free home and then

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Speaker 2: five to ten million dollars in the bank, no more

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Speaker 2: any more than that. He reckoned. And you can't trust people,

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Speaker 2: not even your family. But I don't know, maybe this

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Speaker 2: is me just exposing myself as a bit of a

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Speaker 2: grubby money lover, But I reckon I could do fifty million.

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Speaker 2: You see, the first step in winning Powerball would be

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Speaker 2: the hardest, but I reckon arguably the most important. You

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Speaker 2: would have to decide who to tell. I think it's

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Speaker 2: just inconceivable that you could win fifty million dollars and

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Speaker 2: they're not tell anyone. You would have to tell someone,

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Speaker 2: But tell too many people and you would ruin your life. Right,

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Speaker 2: So who to tell? Well, if it were me, I'd

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Speaker 2: go mom and dad, the parents in law, siblings as well.

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Speaker 2: I trust them, of course, But already that pool of

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Speaker 2: people is getting kind of big. Maybe the rule should

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Speaker 2: be that you only tell people with whom you're willing

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Speaker 2: to share some of your winnings. And maybe the rule

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Speaker 2: with family is that you pay off everyone's mortgage and

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Speaker 2: then that's that. Personally, I'm not a big splurger, but

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Speaker 2: I might be tempted to buy a couple of little

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Speaker 2: bits and pieces. As much as I love the Corolla,

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Speaker 2: I would probably shell out for a new car. Nothing crazy,

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Speaker 2: nothing ostentatious. I couldn't. I absolutely could never show my

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Speaker 2: face driving a Ferrari in public. Oh my god, I

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Speaker 2: would just be so embarrassed. But maybe something a bit newer,

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Speaker 2: something that isn't thirteen years old, something with a few

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Speaker 2: more earbags, cruise control, maybe i'd pay off my mortgage,

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Speaker 2: and I would probably splurge on Central Air. But for now,

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Speaker 2: at least I would keep our family home at least

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Speaker 2: until the trees go back.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: But as well as our home, I've always dreamed of

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Speaker 2: a retreat somewhere, like a house or a batch somewhere

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Speaker 2: kind of remote. Again, nothing ostentatious, but a place that's

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Speaker 2: buried in native bush on a pristine beach somewhere. Ideally

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Speaker 2: it's a surf beach, and I would wake each morning

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Speaker 2: to the sound of native birds in between the crashing waves.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I could win that kind of money

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Speaker 2: and not give a big slab of it away. And

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Speaker 2: you want to be really thoughtful about choosing charities and causes.

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Speaker 2: That would be difficult, but I reckon the way to

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Speaker 2: do it would be to give some big slabs, so

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Speaker 2: like a few million dollars a pop to a couple

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Speaker 2: of chearities or causes, and then some smaller parcels of

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Speaker 2: donations one hundred thousand dollars each to a whole heap.

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Speaker 2: Would I work? Ah? Look easy to say it now,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, I think I would. I love my job.

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Speaker 2: That being said, remember Trevor, that guy who was working

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Speaker 2: as a checkout operator at a supermarket in Huntley who

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Speaker 2: won like twenty seven million dollars. Remember that, after initially

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Speaker 2: insisting he would be back at work, he decided, Yeah, nah,

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll just do this show. Maybe I just do

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Speaker 2: this show and lose the Monday to Friday. I would

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Speaker 2: love to travel more. I would love to read more.

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Speaker 2: I would love to really spend some time learning languages.

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Speaker 2: I would love to use a fifty million dollar windfall

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Speaker 2: to buy time as much as I could. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: all of this is hypothetical because I haven't actually bought

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Speaker 2: a lotto ticket. I never have. I've never bought a

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Speaker 2: lotto ticket. I wouldn't even know what to do. Well,

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Speaker 2: do you call it a triple dip these days? Is

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Speaker 2: that a thing? A triple dip? I wouldn't know what

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Speaker 2: to ask when I got to the front of the line.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps I'm just too rational, too emotionless and rational. Even

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Speaker 2: as I watched the jackpot roll over onto fifty million

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Speaker 2: dollars this week, the equal highest ever in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't help but think, well, a record draw means

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Speaker 2: that there'll probably be record numbers of people buying lotto tickets.

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Speaker 2: Record numbers of people buying lotto tickets probably actually reduces

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Speaker 2: my chances that much more of winning fifty million dollars

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Speaker 2: all to myself. Statistically speaking, the chances of having Powerball

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Speaker 2: by yourself, you and you alone are actually becoming even slimmer,

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Speaker 2: aren't they. I get it, though, Look I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get it. Why people have a punt Buying a

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Speaker 2: lot of ticket isn't so much a ticket to win

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars. It's a ticket to dream this morning though,

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Speaker 2: I reckon, I've done that for free. It's Jack Team

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Speaker 2: ninety two. Ninety two is the text number. What would

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Speaker 2: you do differently with fifty million dollars? Jacket newstalks HEDB

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Speaker 2: dot code on his Z is the email address. If

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Speaker 2: you are flicking me your text, don't forget that standard

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Speaker 2: text costs apply. Kevin Milner is going to kick us

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Speaker 2: off for our Saturday morning together next right now. It's

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Speaker 2: quarter past night and Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame and

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Speaker 2: this is Newstalk's.

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Speaker 4: He'd be.

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Speaker 3: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay and beep you it on

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Speaker 2: I would buy a big V eight ram and then

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Speaker 2: put a Save the Planet sticker on the tail.

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Speaker 4: Jack.

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Speaker 2: The sensible thing to do is to invest the lot

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Speaker 2: and then live off the interest. Only you never touch

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Speaker 2: the principle you buy everything and on interest and then

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Speaker 2: share it with the family. Okay, so fifty million a year, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: you would probably you'd make you do pretty well out

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Speaker 2: of that. Dah you do, you do very well out

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Speaker 2: of it. Indeed, what two hundred thousand dollars a year,

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Speaker 2: say four percent interest? You can get text on that

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Speaker 2: a little bit, but surely that's more than most of

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Speaker 2: us need to get by ninety ninety two is the

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Speaker 2: text number. I know that Kevin Millan will have a

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Speaker 2: lot of thoughts on this, given your experience Kevin meeting

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Speaker 2: LOTO winners. A.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I made a TV show about this and

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Speaker 4: as I've already told you on this, and it was

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Speaker 4: a real eye opener. Really, how many problems emerge if

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Speaker 4: you win a hell of a lot of money. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 4: if you're smart and you can manage it all, it's

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Speaker 4: pretty good. But lotto doesn't look at potential winners and

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Speaker 4: so well, I think this person could know could handle

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Speaker 4: ends up with people who have nothing like the skills

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Speaker 4: to be able to deal with it. Yeah, a couple

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Speaker 4: If you could tell only your partner and not even

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Speaker 4: your kids, I'd recommend it, really because your kids will

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Speaker 4: tell people. And the other thing is there are really

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Speaker 4: critical things in terms say you win fifty million, obviously

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Speaker 4: you're going to sell up your house and look for

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Speaker 4: somewhere that you've always wanted to go to. But what

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Speaker 4: happens when your wife has always wanted to go into

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Speaker 4: the country and have horses and I'm not own life,

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Speaker 4: and you want to go to the beach and like

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Speaker 4: you've outlined a certain peach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's the first world problem, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: But I can see how that actually, all of a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the key one relations ships would be does your wife,

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Speaker 4: does your partner? Did your partner or is your partner

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Because of the financial situation, which you've now sorted out.

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Speaker 2: Hard, all the more reason for me I take it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, people give them the option to actually get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, there's a cheery night to kick us off

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Speaker 4: As I've got leaven cheeryer.

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Speaker 2: Not, no, you do because you finally went on a

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Speaker 4: Actually, I went on I've been wanting to do this

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Speaker 4: absolutely riping. It was unsettling, actually to find out how

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Speaker 4: much critical information I didn't know about cardiac arrest. I

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Speaker 4: didn't even realize that there was a difference between cardiac

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Speaker 4: the same thing, but how you deal with each is

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Speaker 4: so different. I didn't realize cardiac arrest was so dangerous.

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Speaker 4: Ninety percent of people with cardiac arrest don't survive ninety percent.

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize that you have around ten minutes to

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Speaker 4: get oxygen to the brain of someone with cardiac arrest

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Speaker 4: before damage sets in. For every minute that passes without CPR,

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Speaker 4: the chance of survival decreased by ten percent. Now I repeat,

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Speaker 4: we're not talking here about heart attacks, we're talking about

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Speaker 4: cardiac arrests. That's when someone suff as a malfunction in

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Speaker 4: to an ambulance and gets on with suscitation. If somebody's

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Speaker 4: got cardiac arrests, and here's something else I didn't know.

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Speaker 4: Mouth to mouth is no longer part of that initial suscitation.

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Speaker 4: These courses don't have you blowing in the mouth or

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Speaker 4: the those of the one of those little mannequin leans.

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Speaker 4: It's about using one hand on top of the other

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Speaker 4: patient's chest, pushing their ribs up and up and down

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Speaker 4: around about five centimeters they suggest, which is pretty vigorous yes,

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Speaker 4: this can break, but no one that your say is

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Speaker 4: going to care. Of course, you're less vigorous on babies

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Speaker 2: that's a good point, Jack. With that kind of money,

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Speaker 2: sounds good to me, sounds excellent to me. Ninety two

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Speaker 2: finals are underway. The Chiefs with a resounding win over

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started? It's Saturday morning with Jack team

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Speaker 2: I'd be thank you for your messages. Jack. Good on

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Speaker 6: I think, yeah, I think you can do that. No,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, win that'd because so if we I think, aren't

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Speaker 6: So if you bring this number at nine thirty.

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Speaker 2: Or know what's happened? Hey, Chiefs reads last night as

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Speaker 2: Oh are you there?

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Speaker 2: Do we think he's dropped his fine? What do we

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Speaker 4: Hello?

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Speaker 2: Ah? We thought we thought maybe the winnings had come

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Speaker 6: I was talking to myself for ten minutes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and it's going to stand one of those

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Speaker 2: Yes, look, I'll be watching and no doubt I will

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Speaker 2: It's England on the last one. In twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Hey, all the very best for tonight if you

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Speaker 6: I have known that I'll be talking to you next week.

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Speaker 2: Look forward to it, sir. Thank you. That is Andrew

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Speaker 2: to catch up with our film reviewer Francesca.

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Speaker 9: Rudkin killed her Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Two films to talk us through this morning. Let's start

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Speaker 2: off with one that is showing at the French Film Festival.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about Marguerite's theorem.

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Speaker 9: So every festival is one or two characters who you

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Speaker 9: So it's just this lovely coming of age story that's

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Speaker 2: Very good. Okay, Now for something completely different. I'm not

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Speaker 10: We now have evidence that the lead, Captain Conrad Howard,

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Speaker 1: Captain Howard's being friends, don't trust anybody.

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Speaker 4: You should be goodful bye.

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Speaker 9: this franchise that started in nineteen ninety five. Wow, And

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Speaker 9: I went this with my teenage daughter and we had

434
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Speaker 9: a lot of fun. But she walked down to shoot

435
00:23:19,573 --> 00:23:21,813
Speaker 9: and said, I don't think there's one thing in that

436
00:23:21,973 --> 00:23:24,493
Speaker 9: film that is truthful about being.

437
00:23:24,293 --> 00:23:25,453
Speaker 4: A detective of Miami.

438
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Speaker 9: And I said, Darling, I think you're probably right. And

439
00:23:28,693 --> 00:23:31,293
Speaker 9: there is the whole point that is supposed to be

440
00:23:31,653 --> 00:23:34,573
Speaker 9: fun and over the top and ridiculous and corny, but

441
00:23:34,693 --> 00:23:36,333
Speaker 9: they know they put a little bit of heart in

442
00:23:36,373 --> 00:23:38,733
Speaker 9: there as well. There's strong quite a bit of money

443
00:23:38,773 --> 00:23:40,693
Speaker 9: at this jack that's around ninety million US at this

444
00:23:41,133 --> 00:23:43,733
Speaker 9: so it looks click, it looks flash. Of course, it's

445
00:23:43,773 --> 00:23:46,893
Speaker 9: an action comedy. It's a buddy cop flick, not the

446
00:23:46,933 --> 00:23:50,293
Speaker 9: most sophisticated storyline, but you know what, the action keeps coming,

447
00:23:50,613 --> 00:23:53,893
Speaker 9: the humor keeps coming, the entertainment keeps coming. You kind

448
00:23:53,893 --> 00:23:58,653
Speaker 9: of don't. It's okay, Yeah, you'll take, you'll take the plot,

449
00:23:58,693 --> 00:24:00,973
Speaker 9: you'll take kind of what you get. Really, the film

450
00:24:01,013 --> 00:24:05,013
Speaker 9: does ref the success really does rely on that chemistry

451
00:24:05,053 --> 00:24:08,813
Speaker 9: between Will Smith and Martin Lawrence who play these two detectives,

452
00:24:08,853 --> 00:24:11,653
Speaker 9: Mike and Marcus. And that's a critical component and they

453
00:24:11,773 --> 00:24:16,053
Speaker 9: actually do have great chemistry. Do we actually need another

454
00:24:16,133 --> 00:24:17,053
Speaker 9: one of these films?

455
00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:17,493
Speaker 3: No?

456
00:24:17,653 --> 00:24:20,093
Speaker 9: Probably not. Did Will Smith need this film?

457
00:24:20,373 --> 00:24:20,573
Speaker 5: Yes?

458
00:24:20,613 --> 00:24:23,653
Speaker 9: I think he did, because he plays an incredibly likable character.

459
00:24:23,933 --> 00:24:27,773
Speaker 9: He reminds us of this amazing star power. It sort

460
00:24:27,773 --> 00:24:29,853
Speaker 9: of enables us to kind of forget some of the

461
00:24:29,933 --> 00:24:32,973
Speaker 9: stupid nonsense that's been taking place in israel life, and

462
00:24:33,013 --> 00:24:35,013
Speaker 9: we just remember that when he's on stage, you know,

463
00:24:35,133 --> 00:24:37,373
Speaker 9: when he's on screen, he has this incredible star power.

464
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Speaker 9: But actually it's probably Lawrence who shines the most. He

465
00:24:40,413 --> 00:24:42,133
Speaker 9: gets a lot of the comedy. He's had a near

466
00:24:42,173 --> 00:24:44,413
Speaker 9: death experience, but here's a different perspective on life, and

467
00:24:44,453 --> 00:24:48,373
Speaker 9: he's quite funny about it and ridiculous. So he kind

468
00:24:48,373 --> 00:24:50,133
Speaker 9: of steals the show when it comes to the comedy

469
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Speaker 9: science thing. So it is what it is. We are

470
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Speaker 9: in blockbuster seasons, is when North America just put out

471
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Speaker 9: all the amazing, you know, these big, entertaining blockbusters, popcorn

472
00:24:59,693 --> 00:25:02,453
Speaker 9: films for their summer and we're in the middle of this.

473
00:25:02,733 --> 00:25:05,413
Speaker 9: So you know what it is, what it is, You

474
00:25:05,493 --> 00:25:07,093
Speaker 9: know what you're going to be when you walk on

475
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Speaker 9: to it. Yeah, if that's what you're in the mood for,

476
00:25:10,173 --> 00:25:11,493
Speaker 9: go for it. It's fun.

477
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Speaker 2: I think you can lean in canty for a bad film.

478
00:25:15,053 --> 00:25:17,333
Speaker 2: You can lean in just for a bit of dumb fun.

479
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Speaker 9: Hey, actually, Jack if you do remember the original. This

480
00:25:21,453 --> 00:25:24,693
Speaker 9: is probably closer to the original than the last two films,

481
00:25:24,733 --> 00:25:27,573
Speaker 9: which kind of didn't really quite fire. So they kind

482
00:25:27,573 --> 00:25:29,253
Speaker 9: of they've found them, They've got their mojo back.

483
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Speaker 2: Is fifty million too much?

484
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Speaker 12: Oh?

485
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Speaker 13: Of course it is, no, But I'll take it.

486
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, okay, okay, So yeah, if the choice is

487
00:25:39,613 --> 00:25:43,173
Speaker 2: fifty million or nothing, you'll go with the fifteen million. Thanks. Okay,

488
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Speaker 2: what about this? If the choice is fifty million or

489
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Speaker 2: ten million, what do.

490
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Speaker 4: You do.

491
00:25:50,813 --> 00:25:51,093
Speaker 7: This all?

492
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Speaker 9: Do you know what I'll take. I'll be honest, I'll

493
00:25:54,933 --> 00:25:57,133
Speaker 9: take the fifty because what I could do with fifty

494
00:25:57,173 --> 00:26:00,053
Speaker 9: million could be incredible, and I would I would be

495
00:26:00,093 --> 00:26:01,933
Speaker 9: the kind of I would probably still turn up into

496
00:26:01,933 --> 00:26:03,493
Speaker 9: the Sunday session because I love my show and I

497
00:26:03,533 --> 00:26:04,613
Speaker 9: think it would be very good for me to be

498
00:26:04,653 --> 00:26:07,493
Speaker 9: grounded to work. But I but there's what I could

499
00:26:07,533 --> 00:26:10,213
Speaker 9: do with that and the people I could help, And

500
00:26:11,573 --> 00:26:13,373
Speaker 9: you know, I've got a list of things in my

501
00:26:13,453 --> 00:26:15,653
Speaker 9: head that I would absolutely put that money into.

502
00:26:16,893 --> 00:26:18,653
Speaker 2: Sort of pictured you behind the wheel of a late

503
00:26:18,693 --> 00:26:24,573
Speaker 2: model McLaren or something like that, you know, well, something subtle,

504
00:26:25,133 --> 00:26:26,093
Speaker 2: something understated.

505
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Speaker 9: Maybe maybe I would take my formula one that assessed

506
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Speaker 9: teenage daughter to a couple of formula ones. Okay, that's

507
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Speaker 9: that's I probably would, but actually ten would be absolutely fuck.

508
00:26:37,613 --> 00:26:41,493
Speaker 9: Do you know what, Jack, one million would be absolutely

509
00:26:41,533 --> 00:26:45,293
Speaker 9: great right now. I'll take a couple of hundred downs.

510
00:26:45,413 --> 00:26:45,613
Speaker 3: Yeah.

511
00:26:45,693 --> 00:26:48,773
Speaker 2: Look, you know, if anyone out there who's listening right now,

512
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Speaker 2: who feels burdened by exactly a couple of volunteers here

513
00:26:53,293 --> 00:26:57,173
Speaker 2: who are happy to assist anyway they can, Hey, thank

514
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Speaker 2: you so much. Those films sound yeah, diverse at the

515
00:27:00,813 --> 00:27:02,413
Speaker 2: very least, but like a lot of fun this morning.

516
00:27:02,453 --> 00:27:05,493
Speaker 2: So Bad Boys Ride or Die is the new Will

517
00:27:05,493 --> 00:27:08,773
Speaker 2: Smith Martin Lawrence one, the latest in the series of

518
00:27:08,853 --> 00:27:11,213
Speaker 2: Bad Boys films in that showing in cinemas at the moment.

519
00:27:11,253 --> 00:27:12,573
Speaker 2: It feels like the kind of movie you do want

520
00:27:12,573 --> 00:27:14,293
Speaker 2: to watch in cinemas, you know, it's like bag and

521
00:27:14,373 --> 00:27:17,453
Speaker 2: kind of pop corny. The other one, Marguerite's Theorem, is

522
00:27:17,453 --> 00:27:20,493
Speaker 2: showing at the French Film Festival at the moment. And

523
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Speaker 2: we'll put both of those up on the news talks.

524
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Speaker 2: He'd be website, don't forget. After ten o'clock this morning,

525
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Speaker 2: we're going to be speaking to the author of Everest, Inc.

526
00:27:27,773 --> 00:27:30,333
Speaker 2: The renegades and rogues who built an industry at the

527
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Speaker 2: top of the world. It is a fascinating book that

528
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Speaker 2: plots the transition on Mount Everest from the minute it

529
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Speaker 2: stopped being a mountaineering challenge and started becoming a guiding challenge.

530
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Speaker 2: You see the difference they are a mountaineering challenge and

531
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Speaker 2: a guiding challenge. I mean, if you have seen the

532
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Speaker 2: pictures in the last couple of weeks, given its Everest

533
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Speaker 2: climbing season, it's pretty remarkable to see the number of

534
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Speaker 2: paying cut customers and clients who are being guided up

535
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Speaker 2: Mount Everest, Dentists from the Midwest and that kind of

536
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Speaker 2: thing who want a nice photo on top of the

537
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Speaker 2: world to add to their Instagram. Anyway, we're going to

538
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Speaker 2: speak to him about that transition and New Zealand's kind

539
00:28:08,773 --> 00:28:11,733
Speaker 2: of key role in that transition over the years. When

540
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Speaker 2: the author joins us after ten this morning, can't wait

541
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Speaker 2: for that seventeen minutes to ten, our cook is here

542
00:28:16,613 --> 00:28:21,213
Speaker 2: with her incredible recipe for a coconut and plumbar next

543
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Speaker 2: and good news for me, she's in the studio.

544
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Speaker 1: Saturday mornings with Jack Day, keeping the conversation going through

545
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Speaker 1: the weekend with bpure dot cot dot insad for high

546
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Speaker 1: quality supplements used talk.

547
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Speaker 2: Said B, I'm getting all the advice this morning. Jack,

548
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Speaker 2: you are so nineteen nineties. Buy your ticket online for lotto.

549
00:28:54,373 --> 00:28:56,453
Speaker 2: It's faster, it's easier. You can check it in thirty

550
00:28:56,493 --> 00:28:58,653
Speaker 2: minutes after the drawer command, says been. This is the

551
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Speaker 2: twenty first century, Jack, This is true. Although that being said,

552
00:29:02,333 --> 00:29:05,133
Speaker 2: I've been talking to Libby, our wonderful producer on Saturday mornings,

553
00:29:05,133 --> 00:29:07,293
Speaker 2: and Libby used to work at the lotto stand at

554
00:29:07,333 --> 00:29:09,693
Speaker 2: the supermarket, and she says that people love having a

555
00:29:09,693 --> 00:29:13,573
Speaker 2: physical ticket for lotto, Like there's something about actually having

556
00:29:13,613 --> 00:29:16,013
Speaker 2: a thing you can hold in your hand. It's like

557
00:29:16,053 --> 00:29:18,133
Speaker 2: having a book, you know, having a real book is

558
00:29:18,173 --> 00:29:21,653
Speaker 2: so much nicer than reading it a digital version. The

559
00:29:21,693 --> 00:29:24,333
Speaker 2: same thing applies for tickets. I just would have thought

560
00:29:24,453 --> 00:29:26,733
Speaker 2: my consumer would be a bit that it's a bit dangerous,

561
00:29:26,853 --> 00:29:29,413
Speaker 2: like you could lose a ticket. Obviously, it seems like

562
00:29:29,413 --> 00:29:31,213
Speaker 2: it's easier to lose a ticket than it's easier to

563
00:29:31,213 --> 00:29:33,613
Speaker 2: lose nap. But anyway, that could be an option if

564
00:29:33,653 --> 00:29:35,213
Speaker 2: indeed I do decide to get in with that, So

565
00:29:35,293 --> 00:29:36,893
Speaker 2: thank you very much. Ninety two ninety two is the

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Speaker 2: text number if you want to flick ause a messag.

567
00:29:38,293 --> 00:29:41,773
Speaker 2: Nikki Wicks, our cook is here in person with yet

568
00:29:41,813 --> 00:29:45,733
Speaker 2: another delicious looking tree. I know, look at it looks.

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Speaker 2: I mean it looks so moist.

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Speaker 14: Plum and coconut bar. So I make this in a

571
00:29:50,173 --> 00:29:52,013
Speaker 14: loaf tin and then chop it into bars.

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Speaker 2: So really good, I mean so plums. Yes, not in season.

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00:29:56,213 --> 00:29:58,333
Speaker 14: Not in season, but I wanted to talk about that,

574
00:29:58,413 --> 00:30:00,213
Speaker 14: and that's the reason that I've made it is round

575
00:30:00,213 --> 00:30:03,373
Speaker 14: about June. You need to start using your preserves. And

576
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Speaker 14: I wish, I hope my mother is listening, because she's

577
00:30:06,213 --> 00:30:09,933
Speaker 14: a big time preserver, and yet she doesn't like it

578
00:30:09,933 --> 00:30:12,693
Speaker 14: when Dad wants to open any of the preserves.

579
00:30:13,053 --> 00:30:15,653
Speaker 2: She's always like, no, don't open them.

580
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Speaker 14: So I don't know she just and I and I

581
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Speaker 14: suffer from the same thing. So this is a word

582
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Speaker 14: to all preservers. We're now in June.

583
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Speaker 2: Use your preserves.

584
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Speaker 14: Otherwise you come to the end of the year and

585
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Speaker 14: then you've still got all that lovely summer stuff.

586
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Speaker 2: So there is a funny little thing you sort of what.

587
00:30:34,373 --> 00:30:38,093
Speaker 14: They're quite precious. So I froze a whole lot of plums,

588
00:30:38,173 --> 00:30:40,253
Speaker 14: and I thought well, when am I going to start

589
00:30:40,333 --> 00:30:41,573
Speaker 14: using all the frozen plums?

590
00:30:41,893 --> 00:30:43,093
Speaker 2: I guess I'll start using them now.

591
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Speaker 14: And what do you think of that little beautiful It's

592
00:30:45,093 --> 00:30:48,173
Speaker 14: amazing beautiful, Yeah, super easy. I love it because it's

593
00:30:48,213 --> 00:30:51,133
Speaker 14: all gets made in one posh, which I love that.

594
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Speaker 3: I love it.

595
00:30:51,533 --> 00:30:52,173
Speaker 12: I hated dish.

596
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Speaker 11: So here you go.

597
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Speaker 14: This is what you do, and it's it's so more.

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Speaker 14: This is the second one I've made this week, and

599
00:30:58,773 --> 00:31:00,213
Speaker 14: you've only got half of it.

600
00:31:00,253 --> 00:31:01,053
Speaker 2: So guess with the.

601
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Speaker 14: Other one and a half which I've lift about some

602
00:31:04,493 --> 00:31:06,213
Speaker 14: more out in the kitchen, So look, chuck your other

603
00:31:06,373 --> 00:31:09,853
Speaker 14: one hundred and seventeen fan bakes celsius. Obviously, line a

604
00:31:09,893 --> 00:31:12,293
Speaker 14: loaft and I use quite a large loaf tin for this,

605
00:31:13,933 --> 00:31:15,973
Speaker 14: and then in a medium pot you melt one hundred

606
00:31:15,973 --> 00:31:18,653
Speaker 14: and twenty grams of butter and then take that off

607
00:31:18,693 --> 00:31:21,693
Speaker 14: the off the heat and throw in just half a

608
00:31:21,733 --> 00:31:23,653
Speaker 14: cup of brown sugar so it haven't got tons of

609
00:31:23,653 --> 00:31:25,173
Speaker 14: sugar in it. Well that does have a lot of

610
00:31:25,173 --> 00:31:28,733
Speaker 14: coconut which is quite sugary, and then stir that to combine,

611
00:31:28,773 --> 00:31:30,293
Speaker 14: and then you want to whisk in an egg, and

612
00:31:30,333 --> 00:31:31,973
Speaker 14: you want to do that quite quickly because if it's

613
00:31:31,973 --> 00:31:34,573
Speaker 14: gotten too hot. You don't want that egg to curdle,

614
00:31:34,613 --> 00:31:36,933
Speaker 14: So whisk in the egg and it will come together beautifully.

615
00:31:37,213 --> 00:31:42,813
Speaker 14: A tablespoon of vanilla. Extract a tablespoon because as you

616
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Speaker 14: and I both know, don't be bothering with the tea

617
00:31:45,093 --> 00:31:47,773
Speaker 14: spot more is more and more more and plumb and

618
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Speaker 14: vanilla beautiful. And then sift in some dry ingredients or

619
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Speaker 14: just chuck it and I don't bother sifting it. Three

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Speaker 14: quarters of a cup of plain flour, one teaspoon of

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Speaker 14: baking powder, and then half a cup of ground almonds,

622
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Speaker 14: which gives it that beautiful moisture in there as well.

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Speaker 14: So stir those through and then add in your three

624
00:32:06,413 --> 00:32:10,293
Speaker 14: quarters a cup of desiccated coconut, one teaspoon of lemon

625
00:32:10,453 --> 00:32:12,493
Speaker 14: zest if you fancy, you could leave that out, ahally,

626
00:32:12,533 --> 00:32:14,733
Speaker 14: I didn't put that in that one. And then one

627
00:32:14,773 --> 00:32:17,933
Speaker 14: cup of chopped plums, and mine, as I say, were

628
00:32:17,973 --> 00:32:20,733
Speaker 14: fresh frozen and then thawed. You could use black doris

629
00:32:20,733 --> 00:32:21,013
Speaker 14: as well.

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Speaker 10: It's going to work, all right, So mix it.

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Speaker 14: All together, take about two thirds, maybe three quarters of

632
00:32:25,653 --> 00:32:28,293
Speaker 14: the mixture, and press that into the bottom of the loaf.

633
00:32:28,373 --> 00:32:31,733
Speaker 14: Tin spoon your plums over on top. And I love

634
00:32:31,773 --> 00:32:35,133
Speaker 14: the plums because you get that tartness, and then with

635
00:32:35,213 --> 00:32:37,613
Speaker 14: your remaining ingredients just kind of crumble that over. But

636
00:32:37,653 --> 00:32:40,133
Speaker 14: it's quite a wet mixture, so sort of spoon it over.

637
00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:42,213
Speaker 14: It won't all join up. There will be little gaps,

638
00:32:42,213 --> 00:32:44,493
Speaker 14: which is where that beautiful fruit kind of bubbles through.

639
00:32:44,733 --> 00:32:47,613
Speaker 14: And then cock it for about thirty five minutes until

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00:32:47,733 --> 00:32:50,053
Speaker 14: it is nice and gold and brown on the top.

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00:32:50,973 --> 00:32:53,413
Speaker 14: Let it cool in the tin call a little bit.

642
00:32:53,453 --> 00:32:55,933
Speaker 14: You can serve it warm. You can serve it cold

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00:32:55,973 --> 00:32:57,693
Speaker 14: from the fridge, which you've got it, which I think

644
00:32:57,813 --> 00:32:58,493
Speaker 14: is delicious.

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00:32:58,773 --> 00:32:59,693
Speaker 2: It's so yum.

646
00:32:59,773 --> 00:33:01,173
Speaker 14: It's so yum, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I know you have that tartness of the plums kind

648
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Speaker 2: of offset ape.

649
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Speaker 14: Yeah, completely, and I've given our listen. There's also some

650
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Speaker 14: other ways to make it your own, using different types

651
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Speaker 14: of fruit. You could use anything this time of the year,

652
00:33:11,493 --> 00:33:14,213
Speaker 14: you know, stewed apples. You could put some cinnamon in

653
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Speaker 14: there instead of the vanilla, all that sort of stuff,

654
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Speaker 14: so or you could even put some rolled oats in it.

655
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Speaker 14: I was thinking instead of the coconut. Oh you haven't

656
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Speaker 14: tried that, but well, I know it would work, would

657
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Speaker 14: be great.

658
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what it is, it's I feel like it's so versatile.

659
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Speaker 2: It could be a breakfast bar, yes, of a brunchy slightly,

660
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Speaker 2: ye brunchy, but.

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Speaker 14: I agree, good thing for the lunch box is too

662
00:33:35,893 --> 00:33:38,333
Speaker 14: probably yeah, true, you know you'd probably cut it into

663
00:33:38,373 --> 00:33:41,453
Speaker 14: squares maybe. But yeah, it's Moorish, isn't it. I've got

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Speaker 14: a couple of other pieces out there because I know

665
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Speaker 14: you know, I know you need more.

666
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful, thank you. Yeah, use those preserves. We

667
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Speaker 2: will make sure the recipe is up online so that

668
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Speaker 2: everyone can cook along at home. Just unpack it for

669
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Speaker 2: me a bit more, though. Do you think you just

670
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Speaker 2: keep the preserves because you're worried of running out of preserves.

671
00:34:01,573 --> 00:34:04,213
Speaker 2: It's like when you get you get a pair of

672
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Speaker 2: new shoes and they're fancy new shoes and don't want

673
00:34:06,733 --> 00:34:08,613
Speaker 2: to wear they don't want to wear them out, and

674
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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you put your feet in them,

675
00:34:10,493 --> 00:34:11,253
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's something I'd love to hear from our listeners

677
00:34:14,693 --> 00:34:17,253
Speaker 14: because I don't know whether it's just just Mum or

678
00:34:17,453 --> 00:34:20,773
Speaker 14: just I, but it's just Mum's always saying to Dad No,

679
00:34:20,933 --> 00:34:23,013
Speaker 14: those are the new season preserved go for the years

680
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Speaker 14: year before, which makes sense. But really we ought to

681
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Speaker 14: use all of our preserves by the end of that

682
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Speaker 14: year because then you're going to preserve more. But I'm

683
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Speaker 14: the same. I end up with chutneys and sauces. Chutnese

684
00:34:34,253 --> 00:34:37,133
Speaker 14: and sauces I'm not so precious about but fruit, for

685
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Speaker 14: some reason, preserved fruit for either frozen orange jars. I'm

686
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Speaker 14: just always I'm eching it out. Yeah know why, but

687
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Speaker 14: I wasn't sorry during lockdown.

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Speaker 2: No too right, Hey, thank you so much. It's so Yeah,

689
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Speaker 2: it's beautiful, it's delicious and like I say, so moist.

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Speaker 2: It'd be well, here you go. Mike is feeling ambit

697
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Speaker 2: it's just fifty million dollars interested six percent. That's working

698
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Speaker 2: out at about fifty seven thousand dollars per week. Before tax,

699
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Speaker 2: is my I six percent? Yeah? Maybe maybe I think

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Speaker 2: four percent. It's maybe more realistic over time, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, thank you for that. It's good to know that. No,

702
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Speaker 2: I haven't had a single person riding yet and say

703
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Speaker 2: that fifty million is too much. Everyone seems to think that,

704
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Speaker 2: Oh you know, yep, I get it. I know there

705
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707
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Speaker 2: I'd be different. Could you only tell one person though,

708
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Speaker 2: as Kevin recommended, I reckon, that would be a real challenge.

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Speaker 2: Only tell your partner. I reckon I could do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually very good at keeping secrets. It's part of

711
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Speaker 2: the job. But yeah, would my wife keep this thing?

712
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Speaker 2: I'm sure she would. Of course you would. NICKI can

713
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Speaker 2: you use canned plums and that amazing recipe? Yes, I've

714
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715
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Speaker 2: So we'll tell you a little bit about that after

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Speaker 2: ten o'clock as well as course, the author of Everest Inc.

741
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Speaker 2: Is going to be with us. And you know, when

742
00:37:27,493 --> 00:37:30,333
Speaker 2: you think about the history of Mant Everest, obviously the

743
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Speaker 2: name Hillary is right at the top in every sense.

744
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Speaker 2: But it's amazing to consider the role that New Zealanders

745
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Speaker 2: have played in the decades since Everest was first climb

746
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Speaker 2: by Surreed and Tensing in developing Mount Everest as a destination,

747
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Speaker 2: developing guiding businesses, developing the world's highest mountain into an

748
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Speaker 2: incredibly lucrative industry. So we're going to talk to the

749
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Speaker 2: author of that amazing book right after the ten o'clock news.

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Speaker 2: News is next, though it's Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame.

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Speaker 2: More in a good morning news yellow you're with Jack

756
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Speaker 2: Taime on news Talks EDB. Today, Mount Everest is probably

757
00:39:00,373 --> 00:39:03,973
Speaker 2: more commercialized than it has ever been in its history.

758
00:39:04,573 --> 00:39:09,053
Speaker 2: It was once uh Deedley lure of sorts for adventurous climbers,

759
00:39:09,053 --> 00:39:11,693
Speaker 2: but now of course sending tourists to the summit is

760
00:39:11,893 --> 00:39:14,453
Speaker 2: very big business. Indeed, we've all seen the photos of

761
00:39:14,493 --> 00:39:18,453
Speaker 2: climbers queued up as they wait to summit on the

762
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Speaker 2: world's highest mountain. The first paying Climate clients stepped onto

763
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Speaker 2: the summit of Mount Everest back in nineteen ninety two. Now,

764
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Speaker 2: roughly eight hundred people attempt to climb Mount Everest each year,

765
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Speaker 2: with an average cost for clients of about sixty five

766
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Speaker 2: thousand US dollars a person, although some pay about two

767
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars per person for VIP experiences. Journalist Will

768
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Speaker 2: Cockrel has been a climber and mountaineer for more than

769
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Speaker 2: thirty years. In his new book Everest, Inc. The Renegades

770
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Speaker 2: and Rogues Who Built an Industry at the Top of

771
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Speaker 2: the World, is started with quotes from more than one

772
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Speaker 2: hundred Western and Sherper climbers, from clients, from writers and filmmakers,

773
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Speaker 2: as the book explores how Mount Everest has been commercialized

774
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Speaker 2: in recent decades. Well is for this this morning, old

775
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Speaker 2: A good morning and welcome to the show.

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Speaker 10: Hey, great to be here, Jack, Thank you.

777
00:40:10,733 --> 00:40:14,053
Speaker 2: This is a subject of particular interest to New Zealanders,

778
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Speaker 2: and New Zealanders are a particular interest in your amazing book.

779
00:40:18,733 --> 00:40:20,493
Speaker 2: But I just I just wondered if we could start

780
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Speaker 2: with the big picture. Can you compare Mount Everest of

781
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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty three, the Mount Everest of Hillary and Teensing

782
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Speaker 2: to the Mount Everest of today.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, of course, you know, back then and even up

784
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Speaker 10: until I would say the eighties, the big X factor

785
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Speaker 10: with Everest, and it was a big one, was the

786
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Speaker 10: however many you know, many meters above K two. It

787
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Speaker 10: was so the sort of tallest mountain in the world thing,

788
00:40:51,893 --> 00:40:55,493
Speaker 10: you know, nearly nine thousand meter peak. Really no one

789
00:40:55,533 --> 00:40:58,453
Speaker 10: had any idea what the body would do up at

790
00:40:58,453 --> 00:41:02,053
Speaker 10: those heights, so where the climbing maybe didn't feel terribly

791
00:41:02,333 --> 00:41:05,813
Speaker 10: technically difficult to a lot of people. Even back in

792
00:41:05,893 --> 00:41:10,093
Speaker 10: Hillary's day, it really was the unknown above eight thousand

793
00:41:10,173 --> 00:41:13,493
Speaker 10: meters a little bit like stepping off a spaceship. I think,

794
00:41:13,533 --> 00:41:15,093
Speaker 10: you know, you don't know what the body is going

795
00:41:15,173 --> 00:41:18,453
Speaker 10: to do, and you're up in a no margin for

796
00:41:18,653 --> 00:41:22,813
Speaker 10: error place, and so if the body shuts down, which

797
00:41:23,293 --> 00:41:28,853
Speaker 10: it would essentially without oxygen, then you know, then that's it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

799
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Speaker 10: So at the time, Hillary was basically stepping into a

800
00:41:34,653 --> 00:41:35,973
Speaker 10: place no one had before.

801
00:41:36,133 --> 00:41:36,533
Speaker 3: Yeah.

802
00:41:36,893 --> 00:41:43,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, whereas today people are, yeah, climbing a mountain that

803
00:41:43,693 --> 00:41:47,653
Speaker 2: has been substantially commercialized, to say the least, and you

804
00:41:47,733 --> 00:41:49,853
Speaker 2: hit it on an important point there, will. I mean,

805
00:41:50,133 --> 00:41:53,253
Speaker 2: the thing about manna Verst is that from a technical perspective,

806
00:41:53,373 --> 00:41:56,733
Speaker 2: from a climbing perspective, it is not a particularly difficult

807
00:41:56,733 --> 00:42:00,653
Speaker 2: mountain to climb, right, It is the altitude that's a challenge.

808
00:42:01,453 --> 00:42:04,933
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right. I mean I always bristle a little bit,

809
00:42:05,053 --> 00:42:07,813
Speaker 10: and I think this comes across in my book when

810
00:42:07,853 --> 00:42:12,813
Speaker 10: people when people call it easy, you know, especially mountaineers,

811
00:42:12,853 --> 00:42:14,853
Speaker 10: have gotten into a sort of a bad you know,

812
00:42:14,933 --> 00:42:18,653
Speaker 10: real mountaineers have gotten into a bad habit of saying, oh,

813
00:42:18,733 --> 00:42:23,573
Speaker 10: Everest is is ridiculous because it's easy, and that's not true.

814
00:42:24,373 --> 00:42:28,693
Speaker 10: It's not. It's not incredibly technical, you know, if you

815
00:42:28,773 --> 00:42:33,173
Speaker 10: have some basic skills and basic athleticism, all the uh,

816
00:42:33,373 --> 00:42:38,293
Speaker 10: you know, all the slopes and and hazards are all

817
00:42:38,733 --> 00:42:42,453
Speaker 10: fairly moderate to overcome. But there's still some steep sections

818
00:42:43,773 --> 00:42:48,933
Speaker 10: and some tricky climbing on it for sure. But you know,

819
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Speaker 10: I think when they talk about easy, they mean you're

820
00:42:51,253 --> 00:42:53,893
Speaker 10: not you know, you're not vertical, and uh, it's not

821
00:42:53,933 --> 00:42:55,493
Speaker 10: for elite climbers. That's for sure.

822
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And and and from a technical perspective, even

823
00:42:58,653 --> 00:43:01,173
Speaker 2: compared to the likes of K two, for example, it's

824
00:43:02,013 --> 00:43:06,333
Speaker 2: it's it's not easy, but prehaps easier is the wood? Yeah,

825
00:43:06,653 --> 00:43:10,613
Speaker 2: maybe chosen? Yeah, And certainly wouldn't be easy if you

826
00:43:10,653 --> 00:43:13,373
Speaker 2: weren't using oxygen, which, of course most climbers to summ

827
00:43:13,413 --> 00:43:16,693
Speaker 2: up maneverus these days absolutely use. So take us back

828
00:43:16,693 --> 00:43:19,333
Speaker 2: a couple of decades. Then you started off with Everston

829
00:43:19,373 --> 00:43:22,053
Speaker 2: Tensing in fifty three. You move along a little bit

830
00:43:22,093 --> 00:43:24,453
Speaker 2: into the latter part of last century, and it's really

831
00:43:24,533 --> 00:43:28,253
Speaker 2: the late eighties, the earlier parts of the nineteen nineties

832
00:43:28,853 --> 00:43:33,933
Speaker 2: where commercial guides start guiding clients up Maneverest. So what

833
00:43:34,093 --> 00:43:35,573
Speaker 2: led to that transition.

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Speaker 10: Well, we can put it. You know, a lot of

835
00:43:39,053 --> 00:43:41,533
Speaker 10: people say it was because of a man named Diet Bass.

836
00:43:41,973 --> 00:43:44,573
Speaker 10: You know, this eccentric Texan oil man had a lot

837
00:43:44,573 --> 00:43:48,093
Speaker 10: of money. He was the owner of a very well

838
00:43:48,133 --> 00:43:52,693
Speaker 10: known ski resort here in the States, and he got

839
00:43:52,733 --> 00:43:54,733
Speaker 10: it in his head that he wanted to he was

840
00:43:54,813 --> 00:43:58,813
Speaker 10: not a climber. Loved the outdoors, loved hiking, loved skiing,

841
00:43:59,093 --> 00:44:00,653
Speaker 10: but not a climber. He got it in his head

842
00:44:00,653 --> 00:44:03,533
Speaker 10: that he wanted to climb the seventh Summits. Yeah, and

843
00:44:03,733 --> 00:44:06,493
Speaker 10: it's not to say that he invented the notion, but

844
00:44:06,653 --> 00:44:09,613
Speaker 10: no one had done it, and no one had verbalized

845
00:44:09,733 --> 00:44:12,413
Speaker 10: that they were trying to do it. So he and

846
00:44:12,493 --> 00:44:16,573
Speaker 10: an equally passionate partner, Frank Wells, one of the big

847
00:44:16,613 --> 00:44:19,493
Speaker 10: studio heads in Hollywood, they both had this dream and

848
00:44:19,533 --> 00:44:23,653
Speaker 10: they teamed up and they went for it. And their

849
00:44:23,693 --> 00:44:28,093
Speaker 10: talent was for surrounding themselves with very talented, usually pretty

850
00:44:28,133 --> 00:44:32,333
Speaker 10: well known climbers like Chris Bondington, for example, from the UK,

851
00:44:32,893 --> 00:44:38,573
Speaker 10: and they would basically, you know, pay for these enormously expensive,

852
00:44:38,613 --> 00:44:42,973
Speaker 10: complicated expeditions and then they'd get these you know, these

853
00:44:42,973 --> 00:44:47,213
Speaker 10: elite climbers along and then that would of course be

854
00:44:47,333 --> 00:44:50,013
Speaker 10: their safety net, would be to climb with these climbers.

855
00:44:50,813 --> 00:44:54,573
Speaker 10: Frank Wells eventually dropped out and it left Bass to

856
00:44:54,653 --> 00:44:58,493
Speaker 10: reckon with Everest, which he had tried already twice. And

857
00:45:00,253 --> 00:45:02,733
Speaker 10: it was a gentleman named David Brishears. I don't know

858
00:45:02,773 --> 00:45:05,693
Speaker 10: how well known he is in New Zealand, but he's

859
00:45:05,773 --> 00:45:09,493
Speaker 10: kind of alleged and here an incredibly strong climber and filmmaker.

860
00:45:09,933 --> 00:45:12,333
Speaker 10: He was the one who made the Imax film. He

861
00:45:12,413 --> 00:45:14,893
Speaker 10: passed away about two months ago or a month and

862
00:45:14,933 --> 00:45:18,013
Speaker 10: a half ago, actually very unexpectedly. Anyway, it was Dick

863
00:45:18,053 --> 00:45:22,333
Speaker 10: Bass and David Brashears who summited Mount Everest, and you know,

864
00:45:23,893 --> 00:45:29,373
Speaker 10: Dick Bass could not really keep to himself how inexperienced

865
00:45:29,413 --> 00:45:32,493
Speaker 10: he was when he came down. That's what changed Everest

866
00:45:32,773 --> 00:45:36,293
Speaker 10: was Dick Bass shouting from the rooftops that he's not

867
00:45:36,413 --> 00:45:39,213
Speaker 10: a climber, but he did climb Everest. He even went

868
00:45:39,253 --> 00:45:41,613
Speaker 10: on the tonight show, Johnny Carson's, you know, big talk

869
00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:42,813
Speaker 10: show at the time, said.

870
00:45:45,453 --> 00:45:48,293
Speaker 2: Oh are you there? Yeah, oh sorry, sorry, Oh I know,

871
00:45:48,293 --> 00:45:50,133
Speaker 2: you're sorry, you broke up. And what did he say

872
00:45:50,333 --> 00:45:50,973
Speaker 2: on Johnny Hill?

873
00:45:51,093 --> 00:45:53,453
Speaker 10: He went on Johnny Carson's talk show and he said

874
00:45:53,453 --> 00:45:56,013
Speaker 10: as much. He announced, you know to those ten million

875
00:45:56,093 --> 00:46:00,453
Speaker 10: people watching. You know, he makes jokes like the only

876
00:46:00,533 --> 00:46:04,333
Speaker 10: running he ever does is through airports. But he basically

877
00:46:04,453 --> 00:46:07,573
Speaker 10: was sort of letting people know that you can climb

878
00:46:07,653 --> 00:46:10,893
Speaker 10: Mount Everist with tenacity if you know, not the technical skills.

879
00:46:10,973 --> 00:46:14,213
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So we fast forward a little bit and

880
00:46:14,253 --> 00:46:18,613
Speaker 2: your story. Your story documents this transition really really well

881
00:46:18,653 --> 00:46:22,573
Speaker 2: because when a lot of people think about guiding man

882
00:46:22,613 --> 00:46:26,533
Speaker 2: Everest and think about you know that the guides who've

883
00:46:26,573 --> 00:46:28,893
Speaker 2: kind of become synonymous with that industry. We think of

884
00:46:29,013 --> 00:46:30,893
Speaker 2: New Zealanders, we think of Russell Bryce, we think of

885
00:46:30,973 --> 00:46:34,093
Speaker 2: Rob Hall, Gary Ball, Guy Cotter, and by the mid

886
00:46:34,173 --> 00:46:37,533
Speaker 2: nineties you have the so called Big Five. That's when

887
00:46:38,933 --> 00:46:42,773
Speaker 2: you start to see competition between the guiding companies leading

888
00:46:42,853 --> 00:46:47,213
Speaker 2: clients to the summit of Everest. At that point, had

889
00:46:47,613 --> 00:46:51,093
Speaker 2: it kind of become you know, gross in the way

890
00:46:51,133 --> 00:46:54,213
Speaker 2: that people start to started to criticize the industry because

891
00:46:54,213 --> 00:46:57,693
Speaker 2: they were still leading like clean up exhibition expeditions and

892
00:46:57,693 --> 00:47:00,333
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. And they were only pitching base

893
00:47:00,413 --> 00:47:03,333
Speaker 2: camp for the season, right and they were removing it

894
00:47:03,493 --> 00:47:06,813
Speaker 2: during the off season, so they perhaps weren't scarring mountain

895
00:47:06,813 --> 00:47:09,653
Speaker 2: in the way that some people might criticize the industry

896
00:47:09,653 --> 00:47:10,013
Speaker 2: as doing.

897
00:47:10,013 --> 00:47:13,973
Speaker 10: Now, well, the irony with with not just Everest, but

898
00:47:14,013 --> 00:47:16,613
Speaker 10: a lot of plate wild places like this is it

899
00:47:16,853 --> 00:47:20,173
Speaker 10: was actually considered a bit dirtier or felt dirtier to

900
00:47:20,253 --> 00:47:22,733
Speaker 10: a lot of climbers. I talked to many who recalled

901
00:47:22,773 --> 00:47:26,133
Speaker 10: it this way, and but this is this is what

902
00:47:26,333 --> 00:47:29,213
Speaker 10: at a time when no one went there, so no

903
00:47:29,293 --> 00:47:31,013
Speaker 10: one thought to clean it up, if you know what

904
00:47:31,013 --> 00:47:33,293
Speaker 10: I mean. A few visitors to the place would sort

905
00:47:33,333 --> 00:47:37,013
Speaker 10: of leave their you know, their tuna fish tins behind

906
00:47:37,853 --> 00:47:41,013
Speaker 10: without much thought. But it wasn't a national park, et cetera.

907
00:47:41,093 --> 00:47:46,853
Speaker 10: But funny enough, with popularity came stricter rules, and you know,

908
00:47:46,893 --> 00:47:48,893
Speaker 10: all I can say, I had never been. I've been

909
00:47:48,893 --> 00:47:50,653
Speaker 10: to a poll once, but I'd never been to ever

910
00:47:50,733 --> 00:47:53,533
Speaker 10: Space Camp. And when I went, I was kind of

911
00:47:53,533 --> 00:47:57,213
Speaker 10: blown away at how well taken care of that National

912
00:47:57,253 --> 00:48:00,253
Speaker 10: park is. It's a real treasure to them, and it

913
00:48:00,373 --> 00:48:03,173
Speaker 10: is funny to you know, it is it's ironic after

914
00:48:03,213 --> 00:48:06,173
Speaker 10: reading all the stories about how gross Space Camp is

915
00:48:06,213 --> 00:48:09,293
Speaker 10: and how you know, sort of dirty this these hordes

916
00:48:09,333 --> 00:48:12,973
Speaker 10: of trekkers make this place, and I was I was astounded.

917
00:48:13,453 --> 00:48:17,693
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So if we once again to fast forward

918
00:48:17,733 --> 00:48:20,773
Speaker 2: a little bit in our story to what extent have

919
00:48:21,413 --> 00:48:25,533
Speaker 2: the Nepalese and Sirpers been able to claim part of

920
00:48:25,573 --> 00:48:28,253
Speaker 2: this industry, because in the last few years there has

921
00:48:28,333 --> 00:48:30,093
Speaker 2: been a bit of a transition.

922
00:48:29,653 --> 00:48:35,013
Speaker 10: Of sorts, that's right, a major transition, and really it

923
00:48:35,053 --> 00:48:41,053
Speaker 10: came with with the Westerners who had built this industry.

924
00:48:42,093 --> 00:48:45,933
Speaker 10: It became obvious fairly early to them that the sherpas

925
00:48:45,973 --> 00:48:51,373
Speaker 10: were indispensable. So they were much stronger on the mountain,

926
00:48:51,573 --> 00:48:54,973
Speaker 10: much more able up high, and could be counted on

927
00:48:55,533 --> 00:48:58,373
Speaker 10: to do multiple rotations up and down the mountain. So

928
00:48:58,453 --> 00:49:01,693
Speaker 10: they became the backbone of the industry. What they didn't

929
00:49:01,773 --> 00:49:05,413
Speaker 10: have was mountain guide training, and I don't think I

930
00:49:05,413 --> 00:49:08,133
Speaker 10: think part of right this book was to let people

931
00:49:08,213 --> 00:49:10,973
Speaker 10: know how important that was and what a big deal

932
00:49:11,013 --> 00:49:14,173
Speaker 10: it was that they didn't have it. Right, mountain guides

933
00:49:14,213 --> 00:49:18,933
Speaker 10: are there for when things go wrong, and so many

934
00:49:19,013 --> 00:49:21,533
Speaker 10: sherpas told me so many stories of the nineties and

935
00:49:21,573 --> 00:49:25,013
Speaker 10: the two thousands when they were the strongest climbers on

936
00:49:25,053 --> 00:49:28,133
Speaker 10: the mountain, and yet if someone broke their leg up high,

937
00:49:28,213 --> 00:49:30,413
Speaker 10: or someone fell into a crevass, they just did not

938
00:49:30,693 --> 00:49:35,733
Speaker 10: know the you know, the protocol and the complicated knots

939
00:49:35,733 --> 00:49:39,373
Speaker 10: to get out of a crevass. And so that kept

940
00:49:39,413 --> 00:49:42,973
Speaker 10: them in this pay grade that you know to us

941
00:49:43,053 --> 00:49:45,613
Speaker 10: in the West. You know, you look, you look over

942
00:49:45,653 --> 00:49:48,653
Speaker 10: and it feels like exploitation. Yeah, right, it kept them

943
00:49:48,653 --> 00:49:52,133
Speaker 10: in this this pay grade that's good for Nepal, but

944
00:49:52,293 --> 00:49:55,893
Speaker 10: certainly not near what the Westerners were making. But I

945
00:49:57,013 --> 00:49:59,453
Speaker 10: did kind of find enough evidence and go down a

946
00:49:59,573 --> 00:50:03,733
Speaker 10: road in my storytelling that that explains how it was

947
00:50:03,773 --> 00:50:07,773
Speaker 10: actually the Westerners who kickstarted that training. It took a

948
00:50:07,853 --> 00:50:11,373
Speaker 10: long time, right, You don't just become a mountain guide overnight.

949
00:50:11,693 --> 00:50:11,893
Speaker 2: Yeah.

950
00:50:12,053 --> 00:50:15,053
Speaker 10: Uh, and so you know you're talking a decade of training,

951
00:50:15,373 --> 00:50:19,133
Speaker 10: But it was really the Western guides that that shepherded

952
00:50:19,293 --> 00:50:23,653
Speaker 10: the the Nepalis and Sherpas through that training. And now

953
00:50:23,693 --> 00:50:27,053
Speaker 10: we're in this place where the Sherpas have are owning

954
00:50:27,533 --> 00:50:30,933
Speaker 10: their own trekking guiding companies and also being paid the

955
00:50:30,973 --> 00:50:32,693
Speaker 10: same as the Westerners to guide it.

956
00:50:32,813 --> 00:50:33,053
Speaker 4: Yeah.

957
00:50:33,533 --> 00:50:36,453
Speaker 2: So when we think about the pictures of the last

958
00:50:36,493 --> 00:50:39,613
Speaker 2: couple of years of the of the climbers lined up

959
00:50:40,053 --> 00:50:42,853
Speaker 2: to to try and summit Mant Everest, do do you

960
00:50:42,853 --> 00:50:45,053
Speaker 2: think that that is a fear, you know, an accurate

961
00:50:45,093 --> 00:50:47,773
Speaker 2: representation of what climbing Everest has become.

962
00:50:51,053 --> 00:50:55,373
Speaker 10: Sort of, it's not totally it's not totally inaccurate. And

963
00:50:55,413 --> 00:50:59,413
Speaker 10: what I mean by that is it is a crowded mountain.

964
00:50:59,933 --> 00:51:03,653
Speaker 10: I do not attempt to sort of you know that

965
00:51:03,733 --> 00:51:08,013
Speaker 10: back against you know, rumor and debate about it being crowded.

966
00:51:08,053 --> 00:51:11,413
Speaker 10: It is crowded. What people don't understand is that most

967
00:51:11,453 --> 00:51:14,853
Speaker 10: people who go climb Everest these days are not going,

968
00:51:15,533 --> 00:51:17,413
Speaker 10: you know, to get lost in the wilderness. They're not

969
00:51:17,533 --> 00:51:20,693
Speaker 10: going to commune with nature, so they're not going for

970
00:51:20,733 --> 00:51:23,413
Speaker 10: the reasons people are just assuming, which is to not

971
00:51:23,493 --> 00:51:25,413
Speaker 10: be around people, and they think it's ridiculous.

972
00:51:25,453 --> 00:51:26,173
Speaker 3: Why would you go.

973
00:51:26,853 --> 00:51:32,053
Speaker 10: The reason for that shot was that the summit days

974
00:51:32,173 --> 00:51:35,413
Speaker 10: all revolve around weather windows. And in fact, probably a

975
00:51:35,413 --> 00:51:37,413
Speaker 10: lot of key Wes might know this better than others

976
00:51:37,453 --> 00:51:41,613
Speaker 10: because of the into thin Air story. The weather reports

977
00:51:41,613 --> 00:51:44,853
Speaker 10: are so good these days that a lot of times

978
00:51:44,893 --> 00:51:47,413
Speaker 10: people have Summitt fever, and when they spot that first

979
00:51:47,453 --> 00:51:50,973
Speaker 10: four day window, the guided groups decide they're going to

980
00:51:51,013 --> 00:51:53,853
Speaker 10: go up that day. That's what ends up giving you

981
00:51:53,933 --> 00:51:57,493
Speaker 10: that picture is when everybody says, let's do it. Who

982
00:51:57,493 --> 00:52:00,213
Speaker 10: knows there might not be another window. I will say

983
00:52:00,213 --> 00:52:03,173
Speaker 10: the thing behind the picture that people don't know is

984
00:52:03,213 --> 00:52:07,053
Speaker 10: that all the guiding companies that do do that tend

985
00:52:07,093 --> 00:52:11,293
Speaker 10: to make some pretty meticulous plans around that happening. Right,

986
00:52:11,413 --> 00:52:13,413
Speaker 10: So they are aware that their clients are going to

987
00:52:13,413 --> 00:52:15,693
Speaker 10: be sitting in a queue for an extra couple hours.

988
00:52:15,573 --> 00:52:18,613
Speaker 2: Right, And so they take sufficient oxygen and that kind

989
00:52:18,653 --> 00:52:22,453
Speaker 2: of thing in order to in order to prepare for it. Yeah,

990
00:52:22,493 --> 00:52:27,293
Speaker 2: how do you how do you think New Zealanders should

991
00:52:27,293 --> 00:52:31,093
Speaker 2: think about our country's kind of cultural relationship with Everest,

992
00:52:31,133 --> 00:52:33,293
Speaker 2: because it seems to me that there are two parts.

993
00:52:33,973 --> 00:52:37,533
Speaker 2: You have the incredible story of Surrendmond Hillary. I mean,

994
00:52:37,813 --> 00:52:43,053
Speaker 2: he adorns you know, our currency. He is like, you know,

995
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:46,333
Speaker 2: I think kind of lionized as the ultimate image of

996
00:52:47,173 --> 00:52:51,773
Speaker 2: what New Zealanders hope they represent in many respects. But

997
00:52:51,813 --> 00:52:55,733
Speaker 2: then you think about how Everest has become commercialized over

998
00:52:56,293 --> 00:52:58,773
Speaker 2: the last three or four decades, and New Zealand has

999
00:52:58,773 --> 00:53:00,973
Speaker 2: certainly played a role in that. New Zealanders have played

1000
00:53:00,973 --> 00:53:03,013
Speaker 2: a role in that. And some people would say that

1001
00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:05,173
Speaker 2: that prehaps is a little uglier.

1002
00:53:07,253 --> 00:53:08,053
Speaker 4: You know, I.

1003
00:53:09,653 --> 00:53:11,973
Speaker 10: Don't want to get you any hate mail, but I

1004
00:53:12,213 --> 00:53:15,493
Speaker 10: of course came away from this with the idea that

1005
00:53:15,613 --> 00:53:20,733
Speaker 10: the most important kiwis on the mountain and really punched

1006
00:53:20,773 --> 00:53:23,893
Speaker 10: above their weight, was in this dawn of the guiding era.

1007
00:53:24,493 --> 00:53:26,773
Speaker 10: And as you said, you know, two of the five

1008
00:53:26,973 --> 00:53:32,013
Speaker 10: legacy companies were owned by Kiwis, Russell, Bryce's Himmex and

1009
00:53:32,173 --> 00:53:36,693
Speaker 10: Hall and Ball's Adventure Consultants. And in my book, I

1010
00:53:36,813 --> 00:53:40,693
Speaker 10: chronicle that deciding to guide on Mount Everest was not

1011
00:53:40,813 --> 00:53:43,613
Speaker 10: an easy thing. I think that's the biggest misconception is

1012
00:53:43,653 --> 00:53:45,893
Speaker 10: it's that if you're a mountain guide, you decide why

1013
00:53:45,933 --> 00:53:48,253
Speaker 10: not guide on the tallest one in the world. It

1014
00:53:48,373 --> 00:53:52,973
Speaker 10: was an audacious idea that took a lot of groundwork

1015
00:53:53,853 --> 00:53:56,093
Speaker 10: to figure out how to do it and if it

1016
00:53:56,133 --> 00:54:01,333
Speaker 10: was possible. And New Zealanders just play such a big

1017
00:54:01,493 --> 00:54:04,253
Speaker 10: important role in that and in the dawn of the

1018
00:54:04,253 --> 00:54:07,973
Speaker 10: guiding era. And if you're someone if you're like me

1019
00:54:08,253 --> 00:54:12,213
Speaker 10: and you don't feel like the guiding business or the yeah,

1020
00:54:12,253 --> 00:54:14,773
Speaker 10: the guiding business on Everest sort of deserves the iyre

1021
00:54:14,853 --> 00:54:20,213
Speaker 10: it gets, and especially now that it is basically run

1022
00:54:20,293 --> 00:54:23,333
Speaker 10: and owned by the sharp of people. Yeah, in this

1023
00:54:23,533 --> 00:54:30,093
Speaker 10: very prosperous part of Nepal. I feel like the legacy,

1024
00:54:30,413 --> 00:54:33,293
Speaker 10: the Kiwi legacy for me is in people like Russell,

1025
00:54:33,333 --> 00:54:36,253
Speaker 10: Bryce and Hall and Ball Yeah yeah, and Guy Cotter

1026
00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:39,973
Speaker 10: and endless other you know, I think Lydia Brady and

1027
00:54:40,093 --> 00:54:42,413
Speaker 10: there's a b you know, there's a ton of amazing

1028
00:54:42,933 --> 00:54:45,533
Speaker 10: Kiwi guides throughout the decades.

1029
00:54:45,653 --> 00:54:46,093
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1030
00:54:46,173 --> 00:54:48,733
Speaker 2: Yeah. So do you feel optimistic Lyn about the about

1031
00:54:48,773 --> 00:54:51,413
Speaker 2: the future of Everest and the future of guiding on Everest?

1032
00:54:53,293 --> 00:54:54,053
Speaker 3: I do.

1033
00:54:54,173 --> 00:54:58,733
Speaker 10: Actually, I think that Unfortunately, like a lot of stories

1034
00:54:58,733 --> 00:55:00,933
Speaker 10: that come off Everest, it's gonna be hard to convince

1035
00:55:01,013 --> 00:55:04,973
Speaker 10: the average punter or you know, the people that when

1036
00:55:04,973 --> 00:55:08,293
Speaker 10: you hear about more deaths are tragedy or mistakes, it's

1037
00:55:08,333 --> 00:55:10,653
Speaker 10: going to be hard to say, oh, this is this

1038
00:55:10,813 --> 00:55:13,933
Speaker 10: is okay. But I think what's happening right now is

1039
00:55:13,933 --> 00:55:19,053
Speaker 10: that the Nepali companies, most of them run by incredibly passionate,

1040
00:55:19,133 --> 00:55:23,853
Speaker 10: amazing climbing guides with full if MGA certification. They're running

1041
00:55:23,853 --> 00:55:26,653
Speaker 10: a tight ship. However, now that they are in charge

1042
00:55:26,693 --> 00:55:28,453
Speaker 10: of the industry, they're going through a lot of the

1043
00:55:28,493 --> 00:55:32,813
Speaker 10: similar growing pains that the Westerners did early on, and

1044
00:55:32,893 --> 00:55:35,653
Speaker 10: they're you know, trying to make some decisions within their

1045
00:55:35,693 --> 00:55:40,373
Speaker 10: cultural reference of Nepal, and there's some mistakes being made.

1046
00:55:40,373 --> 00:55:44,133
Speaker 10: There's some bad judgment in there. And I think last year,

1047
00:55:44,293 --> 00:55:48,293
Speaker 10: you know, you may remember, was the actually the deadliest

1048
00:55:48,733 --> 00:55:52,253
Speaker 10: season of all seasons on Mount Everest, at a time

1049
00:55:52,453 --> 00:55:55,053
Speaker 10: when I would have said to anybody before it that

1050
00:55:55,093 --> 00:55:57,453
Speaker 10: you know, we're in the safest era of climbing Everest

1051
00:55:57,853 --> 00:56:00,093
Speaker 10: that we've ever been in, and I would say that

1052
00:56:00,253 --> 00:56:02,413
Speaker 10: was proven by this year where we had, you know,

1053
00:56:02,973 --> 00:56:06,933
Speaker 10: I think it was three or four deaths within the

1054
00:56:06,933 --> 00:56:11,893
Speaker 10: guiding infrastructure, and so yeah, I would say that this

1055
00:56:12,053 --> 00:56:15,053
Speaker 10: is really this is amazing for Nepal. I mean, one

1056
00:56:15,053 --> 00:56:19,333
Speaker 10: thing that I also, I'm not sure many people realize

1057
00:56:19,373 --> 00:56:23,173
Speaker 10: is how much pride the Napolies take in Mount Everest. Yeah,

1058
00:56:23,413 --> 00:56:26,333
Speaker 10: you know, the fact that, you know, perhaps more so

1059
00:56:26,373 --> 00:56:29,333
Speaker 10: than they're in New Zealand, the fact that it sits

1060
00:56:29,373 --> 00:56:32,733
Speaker 10: in their country and it happened to be an Apolli

1061
00:56:32,813 --> 00:56:37,373
Speaker 10: that was on that first ascent team. Mountaineering is a

1062
00:56:37,413 --> 00:56:39,653
Speaker 10: big deal there. You know, they don't have cricket. I

1063
00:56:39,653 --> 00:56:41,573
Speaker 10: mean they do, but they don't have like a national team.

1064
00:56:41,933 --> 00:56:44,133
Speaker 10: You know, they don't have a lot of these different sports.

1065
00:56:43,773 --> 00:56:44,453
Speaker 3: And this is it.

1066
00:56:44,533 --> 00:56:47,533
Speaker 10: This is their Yeah, this is their greatness.

1067
00:56:47,853 --> 00:56:48,373
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1068
00:56:48,613 --> 00:56:50,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very good point. And look, well, thank

1069
00:56:50,933 --> 00:56:53,333
Speaker 2: you so much for being with us. It is a

1070
00:56:53,413 --> 00:56:56,733
Speaker 2: fascinating story and one that I think, MANI New Zealanders

1071
00:56:56,773 --> 00:56:58,933
Speaker 2: will connect with, not only because of all of the

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Speaker 2: Right now, it's twenty five past ten.

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Speaker 1: Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack

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Speaker 2: It is twenty eight past ten on newstalks Hed B.

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Speaker 2: Jack love that interview. It is fascinating to think about

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Speaker 2: how much Mane Everest has changed in just the last

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Speaker 2: ten years. Honestly, the photos of all those climbers at

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Speaker 2: the top, I think is kind of repulsive, says Danny. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: thank you, Danny, I appreciate that. Ninety two ninety two

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Speaker 2: zed is the email address. It's screen Time Time, our

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Speaker 2: screen Time Expert Awards. Watched three shows he's going to

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Speaker 2: recommend to us. Hey, Tara, good morning. Let's begin with

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's Best Homes with Phil Spencer.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Look, when you win the fifty million tonight, Jack, this

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Speaker 15: your show. It's going to give you some ideas about

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Speaker 15: how to spend it. This is TVNZ's new property show

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Speaker 15: that starts tomorrow night, and it is exactly what it

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Speaker 15: says in the title It's a show that takes us

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Speaker 15: inside some of the country's most impressive homes. And it's

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Speaker 15: hosted by Phil Spencer, who is best known as one

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Speaker 15: of the hosts of Location, Location, Location, And he visited

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Speaker 15: New Zealand earlier this year and had a lovely trip

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Speaker 15: around the country. What a gig visiting some of the

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Speaker 15: most incredible homes, some very expensive homes too, I think,

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Speaker 15: and the homes of the show are all very different.

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Speaker 15: But he speaks to the owners and the architects about

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Speaker 15: why they built their houses the way they did and

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Speaker 15: why they made those choices. It's a bit like Grand Designs,

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Speaker 15: but without all the stressful bits of the build. And

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Speaker 15: Phil Spencer, I mean, we love Location, Location, Location here,

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Speaker 15: we can't get enough of it. So to have Phil

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Speaker 15: Spencer here looking at our homes, I think people will

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Speaker 15: really like that crossover. And I mean I love an

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Speaker 15: open home, I love looking at course design choices and.

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Speaker 2: You know, really nosy.

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Speaker 13: And this takes you.

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Speaker 15: Right inside some very big, creative, glamorous homes that have

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Speaker 15: the most spectacular views.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent cannot wait for that. So that's

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's Best Homes with Phil Spencer. Starts on TV

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Speaker 2: and Z one tomorrow. It's on TV and Z Plus

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Speaker 2: as well. There's third and final season of the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand film show Sweet Tooth.

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Speaker 15: Yes, the last season of Sweet Tooth dropped on Netflix

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Speaker 15: this week, and I wanted to mention this show for

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Speaker 15: a couple of reasons. The first, as you mentioned, it's

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Speaker 15: an American show, but it is filmed in New Zealand,

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Speaker 15: so lots of beautiful scenery in this and lots of

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Speaker 15: recognizable New Zealand actors in this as well. But it's

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Speaker 15: also a very sweet and warm, fairy tale kind of show.

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Speaker 15: It deals with quite a dark and unusual storyline, but

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Speaker 15: it does it in quite a charming, magical kind of way.

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Speaker 15: It's a fantasy series and it's set in a world

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Speaker 15: where a mysterious disease has swept the planet and caused

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Speaker 15: babies to be born as half human half animal. And

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Speaker 15: the show is about one of these hybrid children, a

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Speaker 15: ten year old Gus named Gus, who goes on a

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Speaker 15: journey through the land to find his mother, and he

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Speaker 15: has to avoid being caught by people who are hunting

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Speaker 15: down these hybrid humans, and he meets all sorts of

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Speaker 15: characters along the way who help him? And you know,

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Speaker 15: it's a beautiful coming of age story. It's a fantasy. See,

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Speaker 15: it's a drama. There's action in this as well. It

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Speaker 15: feels a bit Jim hence an esque. It's aimed at adults,

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Speaker 15: but if you've got older kids in the house, I

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Speaker 15: think they'll really love this as well. It's straight, strange

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Speaker 15: and sweet and beautiful all at once. Quite unusual.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, Okay, that's sweet tooth. It's on Netflix and

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Speaker 2: on three now. Tell us about Blue Lights.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mentioned Blue Lights when the first season came

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Speaker 15: out a year or two ago, and the second season

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Speaker 15: has just dropped on three now. And if you're a

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Speaker 15: fan of police procedural drama, if you like Line of

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Speaker 15: Duty or Happy Valley or a really good British tense

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Speaker 15: police drama, this is one for you. This is a

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Speaker 15: BBC drama. It's set in Belfast in Northern Ireland and

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Speaker 15: it's about three rookie police officers who join the force

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Speaker 15: and are immediately thrown into the deep end in a

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Speaker 15: city that has its own unique challenges and issues and history.

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Speaker 15: And it just takes every box for a great police drama,

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Speaker 15: good characters, it's tense and gritty. There's a bit of action,

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Speaker 15: you know, there's some car chases, but it feels very realistic.

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Speaker 15: It's not over the top, very easy to get into

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Speaker 15: and very bingebuild.

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Speaker 2: I'd love it, Okay, Thanks Tara. That's Blue Lights, So

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Speaker 2: Blue Lights is on three now. Sweet Tooth is on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's Best Homes with Phil Spencer kicks off tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: TVNZ plus.

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Speaker 1: Getting your Weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team

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Speaker 1: on News TALKSBUE.

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Speaker 2: This is Georgia lines New Zealand's own pop sensation with

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Speaker 2: a poncho on for bold colors and cheerful energy. Georgia

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Speaker 2: was snapped up by the very same agent as Coldplay

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Speaker 2: when she was heard playing in the US, and she's

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Speaker 2: been on a bit of a meteoric rise ever since.

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Speaker 2: She was what a couple of weeks ago, last week

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Speaker 2: week before maybe awarded Best Pop Artist at the Old

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Speaker 2: tar Or Music Awards. And she's just dropped her debut album,

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Speaker 2: The Rows of Jericho, so we're gonna have a bit

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Speaker 2: of a listen to that after eleven o'clock this morning.

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Speaker 2: I've met Georgia a couple of times at random things,

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Speaker 2: she's just so nice. You know. I just love that

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Speaker 2: when you meet someone who's got a really amazing, like

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Speaker 2: true talent, like absolutely you know, a passion for what

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Speaker 2: they do, for sure, but a talent you know, are

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Speaker 2: kind of born with it, talent and they're just still

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Speaker 2: really humbling down to earth. It's really it's really charming.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to having a bit of a

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Speaker 2: listen to the rows of Jericho after eleven o'clock this morning.

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Speaker 2: Before eleven, we're in the garden. It's getting cold right

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Speaker 2: around the country. Now is the time to prepare for frosts.

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Speaker 2: So we've got some tips from our man on the

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Speaker 2: garden on exactly what you need to do to prepare

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Speaker 2: for the coldest part of winter. Right now, it's twenty

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Speaker 2: four to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers some Mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 16: We've got on the Tiger University study that's found there

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Speaker 16: has been an increase the likelihood of patients being denied

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Speaker 16: specialist appointments. A Tiger University professor, Robin Gold was the

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Speaker 16: co author of this particular work and is with us.

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Speaker 12: I think there's quite a bit we can do. The

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Speaker 12: new budget announced about five billion dollars.

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Speaker 5: Going into hospital specialist services.

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Speaker 12: I think there's a good opportunity now the new government

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Speaker 12: to allocate some of that money to reply to unmet

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Speaker 12: needs and then they could be starting to look at

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Speaker 12: things like how do we get our hospital specialists and

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Speaker 12: our gps together to form unmet needs care teams. So

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Speaker 12: then come up with more innovation plants at one that's

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Speaker 12: announced to try and unblock the system and give greater

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Speaker 12: access to people.

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Speaker 16: Back Monday from six am, The Mike Asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: Jaguar Newstalk Z Beat.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one to eleven on your Saturday, Big Saturday right

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Speaker 2: around the country. Today, You've got Super Rugby quarter finals

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Speaker 2: all this afternoon. Feeling cautiously optimistic actually that we might

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Speaker 2: see three Kiwi teams come out on top of those

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Speaker 2: quarter finals. I mean you look at the Canes Rebels. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean that'll be the Canes, the Blues the drawer

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Speaker 2: or that'll be the Blues. The Brumby's Highlands is nine

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Speaker 2: point thirty tonight. Cautiously optimist stick on that one that

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Speaker 2: actually the Highlanders might get up. We'll take a look

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Speaker 2: at that after eleven o'clock this morning. Right now, though,

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Speaker 2: it is time to catch up with our tech spert,

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Speaker 2: who was counting down the days to Apple's big software

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Speaker 2: development conference or develop or conference this week. What are

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Speaker 2: they going to be announcing, Paul, Well, can you guess?

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Speaker 2: Jack AI AI AI?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, surprise, No, it's actually really interesting because Apple has

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Speaker 8: not been a first mover in this space.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think what we're going to see from Apple is

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Speaker 8: how you can apply AI to actually be useful to

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Speaker 8: your day to day life.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 8: So they're not going to do anything crazy, the expectation

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Speaker 8: isn't They're not going to do anything around image and

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Speaker 8: video generation, leave that to the folks of like Adobe, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: what they're going to do is they are going to

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Speaker 8: probably play more of a virtual assistant, a digital assistant

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Speaker 8: for your life, right, think about horising information, think about

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Speaker 8: doing tasks for you. So, for example, this talk that

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Speaker 8: they're going to be upgrade the mail app on your

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Speaker 8: iPhone for example, to start to you know, help sort

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Speaker 8: your emails into maybe slightly smarter categories to help you prioritize.

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Speaker 2: There's talk of a.

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Speaker 8: Summary of all the things that might have happened on

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Speaker 8: your phone since you last looked at it that sounds

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Speaker 8: quite valuable. You can put it in your phone away

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Speaker 8: and you can just get a nice little summary of

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Speaker 8: emails or the text messages that want all of your attention. See,

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Speaker 8: that's the type of stuff. I think it'll be quite interesting.

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Speaker 8: They're talking about as well, making Siri smarter, and she's

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Speaker 8: going to be able to do things like kind of

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Speaker 8: in the application level, so potentially reply to specific emails,

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Speaker 8: delete specific emails, maybe edit photos, or even do things

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Speaker 8: like summarize a news article.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say.

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Speaker 8: One thing, Jack Apple, the Kings of marketing, right, they

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Speaker 8: are going to rebrand AI as Apple Intelligence, which I.

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Speaker 2: Saw that and I just thought that is she uh.

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Speaker 8: You know how much they paid, but it was worth

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Speaker 8: every single seaton.

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Speaker 2: It is very interesting a because there's I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: the hype around AI at the moment is absolutely bananas.

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Speaker 2: But like you say, you like you say, Apple hasn't

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Speaker 2: really been a fast mover relative to other companies likes

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Speaker 2: of Microsoft. Open AI obviously kind of dominating the AI

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Speaker 2: space at the moment, and very interesting this week in Video,

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Speaker 2: which is the silicon chip maker that started making chips

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Speaker 2: for use in computer games has now overtaken Apple as

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Speaker 2: the second most valuable publicly listed company in the world

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Speaker 2: by capital valuation, so three trillion US dollars market cap,

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Speaker 2: which is just crazy. So are you expecting as well

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Speaker 2: as that AI Apple Intelligence announcements this week? Are you

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Speaker 2: expecting anything in terms of a universal operating software across

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Speaker 2: Apple devices or are we still away way away from that.

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Speaker 8: I'm hoping so there hasn't been an indication that that's

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Speaker 8: coming yet. Look, can I just go back to one

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Speaker 8: thing you mentioned about Apple and AI I think is

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Speaker 8: really fascinating is that Apple has been a company that

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Speaker 8: has talked a lot about security, and they've actually kind

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Speaker 8: of said made part of their marketing that they're different

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Speaker 8: to Google, they're different to Meta because they keep all

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Speaker 8: your device, all your information on the device. I'm really

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Speaker 8: interested to see if they're going to do if they're

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Speaker 8: going to move away from that and move to the

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Speaker 8: cloud and tap into some of the processing that they

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Speaker 8: can do there, or if they're going to do a

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Speaker 8: lot of that on the device, because that's the piece

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Speaker 8: you mentioned, right, the universal operating system, that's Apple sweet spot.

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Speaker 2: They can do both.

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Speaker 8: They can do the hardware and they can do the software,

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Speaker 8: and I think what we're starting to see and one

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Speaker 8: of the things that they are talking about launching outside

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Speaker 8: of AI at this is actually taking some of the

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Speaker 8: features that are available on mac os, on iPad and

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Speaker 8: on your iPhone, such as the keychain, which is effectively

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Speaker 8: a password manager hidden in your settings, and what they're

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Speaker 8: going to do is they're going to pull that out

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Speaker 8: of the settings and they're going to make that an

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Speaker 8: Apple that works across all of those different devices. So

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Speaker 8: that may actually be their strategy and the shorter term,

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Speaker 8: which is, hey, we know that things now can play

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Speaker 8: across universally, but we're still recognizing that they are different,

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Speaker 8: but we are going to allow you to use the

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Speaker 8: same implications across more across more devices. Because remember too,

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Speaker 8: they've also got their vision pro headset. That will be

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Speaker 8: interesting to see too. How much they play into that

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Speaker 8: they're kind of caught between two different hype machines in

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Speaker 8: some way, right, Yeah, between the AI hype machine and

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Speaker 8: the caught between the spatial computing hype machine. So how

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Speaker 8: long they spend its typically ninety minutes to it, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 8: ninety minutes to two hours. How much time they spend

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Speaker 8: talking about egos, I'm sure it's going to be on

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Speaker 8: the minds of many watery analysts.

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Speaker 2: Ah, very good, can't wait, tank you Paul, That is

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Speaker 2: our Textbert Paul Stenhouse Quarter to eleven on News Talks.

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Speaker 1: He'd be a little bit of way to kick off

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Speaker 1: your weekend than with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay

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Speaker 1: and vpwured on code for high Quality sub used Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: It is fourteen minutes to eleven on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: For his best buy this week, Master of Wine, Bob

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Speaker 2: Campbell has chosen a Davillier twenty twenty three Suvignon Blanc

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Speaker 2: for eighteen dollars. So why did you choose this, Bob?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: I think it's a terrific wine, especially considering the sort

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Speaker 5: of difficult vintage in twenty twenty three, although this is

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Speaker 5: from Marlborough and Marlborough was significantly less affected than Hawk's Bay.

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Speaker 5: But it just came up trumps in twenty three.

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Speaker 2: And this is an entry level wine for Astronae, right.

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Speaker 5: Yes it is. Yeah, doua Villie is their entry level label.

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Speaker 5: It's Astrolabs, the sort of mothership if you like. But

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Speaker 5: it's certainly not entry level quality. That's the point. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: what does it taste like well, it's I mean the French,

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Speaker 5: it's got a that you might find interesting. The French

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Speaker 5: call it the character box hedge. And if anyone's got

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Speaker 5: a box hedge, you know a lot of orcan homeowners

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Speaker 5: would have a head of box hedges. Just go out

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Speaker 5: and grab a couple of leaves and rub them together

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Speaker 5: with between your finger and thumb and and have a

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Speaker 5: sniff and you'll get a distinct impression of the swine.

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Speaker 5: That may not sound very tantalizing, but it's an intense wine,

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Speaker 5: and it's got restrained power and it's a perfect amount

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Speaker 5: of punch without sort of going overboard. I think it's

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Speaker 5: a tantalizing wine.

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Speaker 2: Oh very good. You reckon that. It's pretty good value

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Speaker 2: at more eighteen dollars or even less because sauvignon blanc

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Speaker 2: can be a bit more expensive than that.

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Speaker 5: So we can you pick it up, Bob, Well, you

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Speaker 5: can get it below the recommended retail price at Veno

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Speaker 5: Fino and Wine Freedom and Church. They've got a for

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Speaker 5: sale for fourteen ninety nine, which is a terrific price,

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Speaker 5: and you can buy it online. Of course, that's the

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Speaker 5: way to shop today these days.

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Speaker 2: What would you match it with, Sorry, what would you

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Speaker 2: match it with?

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Speaker 6: Do you think it's quite.

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Speaker 5: A versatile food match? I like it with feta cheese

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Speaker 5: because it's got nice acidity in the cheese and that

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Speaker 5: matches facility in the wine. Most seafoods are a happy

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Speaker 5: match with Duvali sauvignon.

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Speaker 2: Nice And will it keep Derek and Bob or is

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Speaker 2: it best drunken soon?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? It's good for two years, perhaps more, but there's

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Speaker 5: probably not a lot of a lot of motive for

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Speaker 5: hanging on to it. It's not going to gain in quality,

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Speaker 5: but neither will it reduce in quality either.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks Bob.

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Speaker 2: So Bob's best buy for us this week at Devillia

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Sauvignon blanc for eighteen dollars or as

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Speaker 2: low as fourteen ninety nine. We'll put all the details

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Speaker 2: up news talks. He'd b dot co dot z. Right now.

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Speaker 2: It is ten to eleven, garding with steel sharp rue

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Speaker 2: climb passes our man in the garden. He's with a

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Speaker 2: snow a kilt rude.

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Speaker 11: Thank Cura Jack. Yeah, in the garden all right, because

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Speaker 11: it's time to close things up.

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Speaker 2: Don't you think, well, it's time to start protecting things

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Speaker 2: a little bit, isn't that it's getting pretty nippy?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it is, it is. You're all right in Auckland,

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Speaker 11: though you can basically keep going.

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Speaker 2: I'm larger, right, yeah, yeah, But but I mean, having

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Speaker 2: having spent the b sieres of my life, my formative

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Speaker 2: years in the three, I know how frosty it can

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Speaker 2: get in christ Church.

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Speaker 11: Funny you said I would call it in the what

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Speaker 11: what I call it? A CHC? Yeah, it's an airline code.

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Speaker 11: You call it the old three. That's your telephone node.

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Speaker 11: You know that's good? All right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: So yeah, so you know what, you know how it

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Speaker 11: looked when the porth Hills are starting to get cloudy

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Speaker 11: and there's snow coming down and some all that stuff.

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Speaker 11: So basically I just want to have a little chat

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Speaker 11: about it. Growth of plants basically stops at this time

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Speaker 11: of the year anyway, and everybody hibernates, insects and birds

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Speaker 11: will go through all sorts of hungry phases you name it.

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Speaker 11: But how about your soil? You sometimes people don't really

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Speaker 11: think about it, but soil sometimes get frozen as well.

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Speaker 11: And so I want to start off with compost. First,

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01:13:28,653 --> 01:13:31,813
Speaker 11: the compost heap. If you've got a compost heap and

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Speaker 11: that freezes, basically all the creepy crawlies that live in

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01:13:34,813 --> 01:13:38,333
Speaker 11: the compost heap are also slowing down so much that

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Speaker 11: there isn't a great deal of compost being made. So

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01:13:41,093 --> 01:13:43,133
Speaker 11: I would always say, if you've got an open compost heap,

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01:13:43,133 --> 01:13:46,493
Speaker 11: put some type pollen over the top, or an enormous

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01:13:46,613 --> 01:13:50,813
Speaker 11: smack of pea straw right, really good and thick, and

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Speaker 11: that basically keeps the if you like the environment down

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01:13:55,173 --> 01:14:00,773
Speaker 11: below the down unders keeps them going and keep making composts.

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Speaker 11: That's important.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 11: And another example, do you have citrus in your gun?

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Speaker 11: You have limes and lemon?

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01:14:06,573 --> 01:14:08,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got the lemas look a grade actually

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01:14:08,453 --> 01:14:08,933
Speaker 2: at the moment.

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01:14:09,653 --> 01:14:10,893
Speaker 11: Yeah, because they're fruiting eggs.

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Speaker 2: They certainly are, Yeah, and the fruity match. I've got

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01:14:12,933 --> 01:14:14,933
Speaker 2: a much more plentiful crop than this time last year,

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Speaker 2: which is nice.

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Speaker 11: Which is quite logic because the lemon has a year

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01:14:20,013 --> 01:14:23,733
Speaker 11: on year off quite often. So if you wanted more

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01:14:23,733 --> 01:14:26,213
Speaker 11: a year on year on, have three of these, three

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Speaker 11: of them next to each other if you like, and

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01:14:27,893 --> 01:14:30,173
Speaker 11: at least one will be doing you know what I mean,

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01:14:30,693 --> 01:14:32,773
Speaker 11: But that's another story. So what I do with the

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Speaker 11: CYNRISI is very simple. You do the whole surface again,

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Speaker 11: put organic matter in back or compost again, or that

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01:14:41,813 --> 01:14:45,293
Speaker 11: those chippered branches if you like. And basically that means

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01:14:45,333 --> 01:14:48,613
Speaker 11: that these plants are fine. They're doing everything they need

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Speaker 11: to do without being hassled by the frost. So that's important.

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Speaker 11: There's another way to go, and I think I might

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01:14:57,653 --> 01:15:01,853
Speaker 11: mention that frost cloth is really important, but there's also

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Speaker 11: a material called liquid frost cloth that you spray on

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Speaker 11: the plants that you don't want to get frosted. And

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Speaker 11: that is a it's a waxy material, yes kind of

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01:15:12,653 --> 01:15:17,493
Speaker 11: stuff material, Yes, totally, it's got Yeah, it's got no

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01:15:17,493 --> 01:15:21,853
Speaker 11: no nasty chemicals in it. No, no, that's it. And

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01:15:22,053 --> 01:15:24,573
Speaker 11: but it only goes to minus three. So if you

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01:15:24,653 --> 01:15:29,933
Speaker 11: live somewhere in yeah, yeah, you'll probably have to put

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Speaker 11: some extra frost cross over the top, but generally speaking

1441
01:15:32,973 --> 01:15:34,773
Speaker 11: you can do that in Auckland quite easily. A bit

1442
01:15:35,093 --> 01:15:37,613
Speaker 11: to minus three, no problem at all. And it's a

1443
01:15:37,733 --> 01:15:44,773
Speaker 11: it's a waxy material that literally covers your leaves. Then yeah,

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01:15:44,853 --> 01:15:46,653
Speaker 11: and then the other thing. That's what we do here

1445
01:15:47,213 --> 01:15:49,773
Speaker 11: is when we have orchids and you just really don't

1446
01:15:49,813 --> 01:15:52,733
Speaker 11: want to give them that last touch. I usually put them,

1447
01:15:52,853 --> 01:15:55,733
Speaker 11: especially if they're in a pot, under an existing tree,

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01:15:55,773 --> 01:15:59,573
Speaker 11: like an eucalyptus, because that covers it from frost as well.

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01:16:00,253 --> 01:16:03,293
Speaker 2: Did you realize that, Yeah, right, that's.

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01:16:03,773 --> 01:16:05,413
Speaker 11: No, but there you are. So if you put it

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01:16:05,493 --> 01:16:08,493
Speaker 11: under a tree or that can actually have the leaves

1452
01:16:08,853 --> 01:16:12,173
Speaker 11: over the top of your sensitive level tree, you can

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01:16:12,213 --> 01:16:16,213
Speaker 11: actually stop it from freezing there as well. Yeah, there

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01:16:16,213 --> 01:16:16,493
Speaker 11: you go.

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01:16:16,693 --> 01:16:19,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to. I used to do that terrible

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01:16:19,533 --> 01:16:22,173
Speaker 2: make a terrible mistake because we lived on Hunsbury Hill, right,

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01:16:22,213 --> 01:16:25,093
Speaker 2: so we were above Sea christ which is good different

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01:16:25,093 --> 01:16:27,293
Speaker 2: from most of most of the city. And I think

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01:16:27,293 --> 01:16:29,373
Speaker 2: we're about one hundred and thirty meters up or something,

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01:16:29,413 --> 01:16:31,333
Speaker 2: you know. And I used to look out the window

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01:16:31,333 --> 01:16:33,453
Speaker 2: and go, oh, it looks like a nice day. And

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01:16:33,493 --> 01:16:35,413
Speaker 2: I'd step outside and they go, it's not too bad.

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01:16:35,533 --> 01:16:38,253
Speaker 2: And I'd start riding my bike down the hill and

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01:16:38,293 --> 01:16:40,253
Speaker 2: as I rode down the hill, I could feel the

1465
01:16:40,333 --> 01:16:42,973
Speaker 2: temperature change. Right, so as you as you as you

1466
01:16:42,973 --> 01:16:45,093
Speaker 2: get further from the sun and you get slightly close

1467
01:16:45,093 --> 01:16:47,293
Speaker 2: to the sea level, slightly closer to the frost, it

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Speaker 2: would just get colder and colder and colder, and about

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01:16:49,453 --> 01:16:51,253
Speaker 2: halfway down the hill, I would think, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if my hands are going to be

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Speaker 2: able to pull the brakes, like I'm so cold all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden. So my advice for dealing with the

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Speaker 2: frost is always we gloves.

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01:17:01,053 --> 01:17:04,013
Speaker 11: Yeah, or go and buy buy house. Someone on top

1475
01:17:04,053 --> 01:17:07,373
Speaker 11: of the hill exactly seeing me, Kennedy sports cold air

1476
01:17:07,653 --> 01:17:11,333
Speaker 11: is heavier than warm air, and it goes down hill,

1477
01:17:11,573 --> 01:17:13,453
Speaker 11: which is why you keep your warm air on the

1478
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Speaker 11: top too.

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Speaker 2: Right, thank you, Rude. We'll put all the rud's advice

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Speaker 2: up on the news talks. He'd website after eleven o'clock.

1481
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Speaker 2: On news talks, he'd be or we're taking on a

1482
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Speaker 2: taboo subject, giving you some options for a more sustainable burial. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you heard that right. News is next though it's almost

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Speaker 2: to leave an I'm Jactavis Saturday morning on Newstalks.

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Speaker 1: It'd be Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation

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Speaker 1: going through the weekend with Bpure dot cot on in

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Speaker 1: here for high quality supplements used dogs B.

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Speaker 2: News talks, it'd be you with Jack Daime. This Saturday

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Speaker 2: morning through to twelve o'clock midday today. Big protests planned

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Speaker 2: in Auckland this afternoon, of course, against the government's fast

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Speaker 2: track legislation. Proposed fast track legislation, so don't forget if

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Speaker 2: you are planning to head out today in our biggest city,

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Speaker 2: Dae and our sustainability commentator Kate All aka Ethically Kate

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01:18:58,573 --> 01:19:01,973
Speaker 2: is with us this morning. Calder Kaide, Well then that's

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Speaker 2: how we going. Yeah, good, thank you. I've been looking

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Speaker 2: forward to chatting because you're taking on a bit of

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Speaker 2: a confronting subject this morning, green burial options and yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean For most people, the question is do you

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Speaker 2: want to be buried or do you want them to

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Speaker 2: fire up the kiln? But actually it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: more complex than that. If sustainability is something that you

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01:19:21,053 --> 01:19:24,213
Speaker 2: value at the time of life, when your life comes

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01:19:24,253 --> 01:19:26,653
Speaker 2: to an end, there are lots of different options to consider.

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Speaker 2: So what do people need to think about?

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Speaker 13: Well, I think firstly they're like, we do have a

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01:19:33,453 --> 01:19:36,053
Speaker 13: few different options, but I hope that in the future

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Speaker 13: we do have more, because some of them aren't legal

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01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:40,093
Speaker 13: in New Zealand. But I guess you've got to think

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01:19:40,133 --> 01:19:44,453
Speaker 13: about not only how can I dispose of my body

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Speaker 13: when I'm gone in a way that doesn't harm the environment,

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01:19:48,493 --> 01:19:51,213
Speaker 13: but actually what good can my body do? You know,

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01:19:51,253 --> 01:19:53,653
Speaker 13: if you flip it on, you know, think about it

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01:19:53,693 --> 01:19:56,613
Speaker 13: in a positive lights, then you're not just saying no

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01:19:56,733 --> 01:19:59,533
Speaker 13: to embalming, but you're thinking about, oh, where could I

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01:19:59,613 --> 01:20:01,773
Speaker 13: be buried that I could actually have a tree planted

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Speaker 13: on top of me, or you know, how could you know,

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01:20:05,333 --> 01:20:07,973
Speaker 13: how could my body actually nourish earth when I'm gone,

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Speaker 13: rather than just not do bad things? You know what

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Speaker 13: I mean?

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Speaker 2: Silver lining somewhere right.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, exactly. Well, it's like, you know, for me, I think,

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01:20:16,693 --> 01:20:19,293
Speaker 13: you know, if I cut my nails, I either do

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Speaker 13: it outside or put that in my compost. Same with

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01:20:21,653 --> 01:20:28,293
Speaker 13: my hair. I'm thinking about composting, you know, bodily items

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01:20:28,293 --> 01:20:31,493
Speaker 13: that I don't need anymore, but your whole body, right,

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01:20:31,533 --> 01:20:33,493
Speaker 13: that's going to break down and that actually can be

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01:20:33,533 --> 01:20:38,693
Speaker 13: really nourishing. So firstly, thinking about what what is my

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01:20:38,893 --> 01:20:41,653
Speaker 13: body going to do? I know, obviously everyone has different

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01:20:42,013 --> 01:20:46,213
Speaker 13: cultural values and traditions that may mean they opt for

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01:20:46,293 --> 01:20:49,973
Speaker 13: cremation or for being berries, but there's so many different things,

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01:20:50,813 --> 01:20:53,373
Speaker 13: you know, that you can choose within that. So firstly,

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01:20:53,533 --> 01:20:56,653
Speaker 13: being embalmed is I think it's something people have just

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01:20:56,693 --> 01:21:00,133
Speaker 13: gone to as a default because it's just kind of

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01:21:00,173 --> 01:21:03,133
Speaker 13: traditionally been what we do. But a lot more people

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01:21:03,173 --> 01:21:06,693
Speaker 13: are moving away from embalming because I mean, personally sort

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01:21:06,693 --> 01:21:09,173
Speaker 13: of being embalmed, it's like the last thing I would

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Speaker 13: want my body to do on this earth, to be

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01:21:11,413 --> 01:21:14,813
Speaker 13: you know, pumped through full of chemicals, your jaw kind

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01:21:14,813 --> 01:21:17,613
Speaker 13: of stitched up, and you know, to me to look

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01:21:17,613 --> 01:21:21,933
Speaker 13: all kind of nice. Obviously, embalming can be relevant if

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01:21:22,173 --> 01:21:24,933
Speaker 13: the funeral is delayed and things like that, but if

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01:21:24,973 --> 01:21:27,853
Speaker 13: you care for the body and use things like ice

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01:21:28,133 --> 01:21:30,453
Speaker 13: and kind of you know, more natural methods to preserve

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01:21:30,493 --> 01:21:34,533
Speaker 13: the body. You can avoid avoid embalming for both a

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01:21:34,573 --> 01:21:39,253
Speaker 13: burial or a commation right about, and still you can

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01:21:39,333 --> 01:21:42,933
Speaker 13: still like you can still have the opportunity for your

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01:21:42,973 --> 01:21:45,453
Speaker 13: friends in Fino to be with the body and look

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01:21:45,493 --> 01:21:48,533
Speaker 13: at the body without being embalmed. Like, there's so many

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01:21:48,573 --> 01:21:51,493
Speaker 13: different kind of natural ways that they can happen.

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Speaker 2: What about sustainable coffins and shrouds and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 13: Yes, so, I mean probably a lot of people haven't

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01:21:59,133 --> 01:22:01,853
Speaker 13: even thought about, you know, will I be in a shroud?

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Speaker 13: Because I think in New Zealand that's less common. I

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Speaker 13: would say, have you ever been to a funeral with

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Speaker 13: a shroud?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't think I have. I've been to a few,

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Speaker 2: you know, a few funerals with open coffins, but not

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Speaker 2: one we're one's wearing a shroud, I don't think.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, excuse my ignorance on this. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of like a veil, right.

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Speaker 13: Well, it's basically just a lot of cloth. I actually, strangely,

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01:22:27,293 --> 01:22:30,533
Speaker 13: my uncle wants to be He's fine and well unhappy,

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Speaker 13: but in the future he wants to be buried in

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Speaker 13: a shroud. And he has a big connection with India.

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Speaker 13: So when I was in India last year, I actually

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01:22:38,453 --> 01:22:42,013
Speaker 13: got him a shroud and it's essentially cloth, just a

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01:22:42,053 --> 01:22:45,533
Speaker 13: lot of it, so you can choose. I mean, we

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01:22:45,613 --> 01:22:50,173
Speaker 13: have a lot of different It was very rare. It

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01:22:50,253 --> 01:22:52,333
Speaker 13: was funny when I was when I was purchasing it,

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01:22:52,413 --> 01:22:54,853
Speaker 13: I was being you know, focused on the details, and

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01:22:54,853 --> 01:22:57,653
Speaker 13: then I realized, oh my goodness, I don't want this

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01:22:57,813 --> 01:23:02,093
Speaker 13: to be used anyway. So you know shrouds. Yeah, places

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01:23:02,093 --> 01:23:04,253
Speaker 13: like India, that's actually a really common thing that the

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01:23:04,293 --> 01:23:06,813
Speaker 13: body is just essentially wrapped in a lot of wreck

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01:23:06,933 --> 01:23:09,693
Speaker 13: and then there may be some you know, kind of

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01:23:09,813 --> 01:23:13,373
Speaker 13: rope or ribbons or things tied around it. And you know,

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01:23:13,413 --> 01:23:15,773
Speaker 13: if you do want that body to be present and

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01:23:15,933 --> 01:23:18,653
Speaker 13: kind of on display at the funeral, there's a shroud

1591
01:23:19,093 --> 01:23:23,013
Speaker 13: barrier that bearer like a shroud carrier, so you know,

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01:23:23,413 --> 01:23:26,733
Speaker 13: a platform that it can go on, the body can

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01:23:26,773 --> 01:23:29,493
Speaker 13: be placed on, so it can actually be carried easier,

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01:23:29,733 --> 01:23:31,973
Speaker 13: so you're not just carry you know, carrying a body

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01:23:31,973 --> 01:23:35,333
Speaker 13: in cloth. So yeah, thinking about a shroud, thinking about

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01:23:35,533 --> 01:23:38,773
Speaker 13: natural materials, thinking about if the body is in the

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Speaker 13: coffin that hopefully that wood is made from sustainable materials

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01:23:43,653 --> 01:23:48,413
Speaker 13: that aren't treated. Thinking about even the clothes that the

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Speaker 13: body is clothed in, you know, like hopefully yeah, natural fibers,

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01:23:53,613 --> 01:23:56,733
Speaker 13: you know, will cotton, hemp rather than you're synth it

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01:23:57,053 --> 01:24:00,653
Speaker 13: kind of polyesters which will not really break down in

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01:24:00,733 --> 01:24:04,333
Speaker 13: the ground. And one thing, I've really dived into this

1603
01:24:04,413 --> 01:24:07,213
Speaker 13: topic recently and it's been fast standing because I don't

1604
01:24:07,213 --> 01:24:09,813
Speaker 13: think you know, your death is not really a lovely

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01:24:09,853 --> 01:24:12,133
Speaker 13: thing to talk about, but we really need to think

1606
01:24:12,173 --> 01:24:15,373
Speaker 13: about these things because there's so many of us and

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01:24:15,413 --> 01:24:17,853
Speaker 13: we'll all need to end up, you know, with a

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01:24:17,893 --> 01:24:21,573
Speaker 13: body we don't need one day. So it's cool. In

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01:24:21,893 --> 01:24:25,053
Speaker 13: New Zealand we do have more natural burial sites, so

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01:24:26,253 --> 01:24:30,573
Speaker 13: places where you can opts to be buried and you

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01:24:30,693 --> 01:24:33,613
Speaker 13: have to kind of work with the team there to

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01:24:33,733 --> 01:24:36,733
Speaker 13: make sure that all the materials that are going in

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01:24:36,773 --> 01:24:39,333
Speaker 13: the ground with the body are natural and won't do

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01:24:39,413 --> 01:24:42,253
Speaker 13: damage to the environment. And then a tree is placed

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01:24:42,293 --> 01:24:46,013
Speaker 13: on top of that so kind of in memory, and

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01:24:46,053 --> 01:24:49,213
Speaker 13: also that tree will be well nourished. But as the

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01:24:49,213 --> 01:24:49,933
Speaker 13: body breaks down.

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01:24:50,053 --> 01:24:53,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like that. So at the moment, what

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01:24:53,453 --> 01:24:55,413
Speaker 2: would be the most sustainable options in New Zealand.

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Speaker 13: Detail, So until we have water cremation, which is a

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01:25:00,173 --> 01:25:03,973
Speaker 13: whole other thing where basically the body is yeah, so

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01:25:04,213 --> 01:25:06,893
Speaker 13: that's also it's about half the carbon and mis of

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01:25:07,173 --> 01:25:13,453
Speaker 13: your natural normal cremation. So until we have water cremation,

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01:25:13,533 --> 01:25:16,133
Speaker 13: which is essentially with a lot of heat and pressure

1625
01:25:16,453 --> 01:25:19,853
Speaker 13: and alkaline, the body tissues are all broken down and

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01:25:19,893 --> 01:25:25,053
Speaker 13: you're left with just the bones. So that's basically yeah,

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01:25:25,253 --> 01:25:27,853
Speaker 13: you're the matter over. I think it's a matter of

1628
01:25:27,893 --> 01:25:30,933
Speaker 13: about twelve hours. It just breaks down and doesn't need

1629
01:25:30,973 --> 01:25:35,053
Speaker 13: that intense energy that cremation takes. But that's not legal

1630
01:25:35,093 --> 01:25:37,693
Speaker 13: in New Zealand yet, but keep an eye on that space.

1631
01:25:38,333 --> 01:25:41,973
Speaker 13: We do just have natural burial and cremation. So with cremation,

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01:25:42,053 --> 01:25:46,373
Speaker 13: obviously that does involve a lot of energy intensity and

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01:25:46,413 --> 01:25:51,973
Speaker 13: so thinking about some cremation, some crematoriums will have kind

1634
01:25:51,973 --> 01:25:56,213
Speaker 13: of policy on using energy off peak times and you know,

1635
01:25:56,293 --> 01:25:59,173
Speaker 13: really thinking carefully about their karbon emissions, which is great.

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01:25:59,693 --> 01:26:02,173
Speaker 13: And when you're being buried, thinking about what is the

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01:26:02,173 --> 01:26:04,933
Speaker 13: body going to be buried and where will it be buried?

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01:26:05,133 --> 01:26:08,213
Speaker 13: Could I go to an the natural burial sites so

1639
01:26:08,253 --> 01:26:12,413
Speaker 13: that I can find a natural coffin natural materials and

1640
01:26:12,693 --> 01:26:15,573
Speaker 13: have a tree planted on top to kind of pick

1641
01:26:15,693 --> 01:26:17,693
Speaker 13: up less land use and things like that too.

1642
01:26:17,933 --> 01:26:19,653
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

1643
01:26:19,733 --> 01:26:21,893
Speaker 13: Lots of things to think about it, and the funeral

1644
01:26:22,093 --> 01:26:26,613
Speaker 13: with all the different other elements too. But nobody, No,

1645
01:26:26,733 --> 01:26:30,093
Speaker 13: absolutely not, absolutely not. But if we think about these

1646
01:26:30,133 --> 01:26:33,493
Speaker 13: things early, you know, then we can kind of make

1647
01:26:33,613 --> 01:26:36,373
Speaker 13: plans for this and now, you know, we can think

1648
01:26:36,893 --> 01:26:40,173
Speaker 13: and know and trust that, you know, if you were

1649
01:26:40,213 --> 01:26:42,933
Speaker 13: to not need your body any longer, that it would

1650
01:26:42,933 --> 01:26:45,613
Speaker 13: be disposed of in a way that was good for

1651
01:26:45,653 --> 01:26:46,413
Speaker 13: the earth.

1652
01:26:46,573 --> 01:26:48,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, totally. Hey, thank you so much, Kate. That

1653
01:26:48,933 --> 01:26:51,813
Speaker 2: is really really interesting food for thought. That is Kate Hall,

1654
01:26:51,893 --> 01:26:54,853
Speaker 2: our sustainability commentator you can find on the social media

1655
01:26:54,893 --> 01:26:58,653
Speaker 2: platforms by switching ethically Kate After Break on New Stork

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Speaker 2: This week. He's going to tell us all about Naples

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Speaker 2: Mike Yardley's our treble correspondent. He is with us. Now,

1662
01:27:16,293 --> 01:27:18,333
Speaker 2: Hey Mike, good morning Jack.

1663
01:27:18,413 --> 01:27:20,813
Speaker 7: Now, like your producer, are you off to the climate

1664
01:27:20,893 --> 01:27:23,093
Speaker 7: protest after the show, or are you're going home to

1665
01:27:23,093 --> 01:27:23,813
Speaker 7: watch the cricket.

1666
01:27:24,133 --> 01:27:26,973
Speaker 2: I will be watching the cricket this afternoon. I am

1667
01:27:27,013 --> 01:27:29,493
Speaker 2: taking no position on the climate protest except to say

1668
01:27:29,493 --> 01:27:32,253
Speaker 2: that people are very welcome to protest as they wish,

1669
01:27:32,453 --> 01:27:36,613
Speaker 2: you know, anywhere. But I know I am you know,

1670
01:27:36,653 --> 01:27:39,293
Speaker 2: I always in my in my role on Q and A,

1671
01:27:39,413 --> 01:27:41,333
Speaker 2: I always just try and take a kind of politically

1672
01:27:41,413 --> 01:27:44,533
Speaker 2: neutral position on all these sorts of things, and so yeah,

1673
01:27:44,573 --> 01:27:46,773
Speaker 2: people are welcome to protest, people are welcome to support

1674
01:27:46,773 --> 01:27:48,493
Speaker 2: the bill as far as I'm concerned. But I've got

1675
01:27:48,493 --> 01:27:50,813
Speaker 2: a I've got a job, which means that, uh no,

1676
01:27:50,973 --> 01:27:54,453
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't participate in anything like that. So yeah,

1677
01:27:54,733 --> 01:27:57,133
Speaker 2: sure enough, are you going to get Is there one

1678
01:27:57,173 --> 01:27:58,253
Speaker 2: in Christich as well today?

1679
01:27:58,853 --> 01:28:01,053
Speaker 7: I suspect hearers yes, But I have to have been

1680
01:28:01,093 --> 01:28:04,533
Speaker 7: seduced by the cricket. The idea of US beating Afghinnistan.

1681
01:28:06,693 --> 01:28:07,773
Speaker 2: What could be better?

1682
01:28:09,333 --> 01:28:09,573
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1683
01:28:09,693 --> 01:28:12,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a funny old T twenty a so far.

1684
01:28:12,293 --> 01:28:15,733
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's early days in the tournament,

1685
01:28:15,773 --> 01:28:17,613
Speaker 2: but you're really getting the sense that T twenty is

1686
01:28:17,613 --> 01:28:19,813
Speaker 2: going to be like rugby sevens. I reckon and that

1687
01:28:20,213 --> 01:28:22,773
Speaker 2: basically any team can win, you know, Like, so you

1688
01:28:22,813 --> 01:28:24,933
Speaker 2: see Kenya beats like a New Zealand team in the

1689
01:28:24,933 --> 01:28:27,573
Speaker 2: sevens and it's not a huge you know, it might

1690
01:28:27,613 --> 01:28:31,413
Speaker 2: be better unexpected, but it's not totally crazy. And you

1691
01:28:31,533 --> 01:28:33,733
Speaker 2: look at all the high guns kind of playing for

1692
01:28:33,773 --> 01:28:37,053
Speaker 2: these different teams, you know that the Cory Anderson, you know,

1693
01:28:37,093 --> 01:28:41,453
Speaker 2: teeing off for Team USA and Corey Anderson from christ Church.

1694
01:28:41,573 --> 01:28:41,773
Speaker 4: You know.

1695
01:28:41,933 --> 01:28:44,213
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me what.

1696
01:28:44,773 --> 01:28:46,733
Speaker 7: I was just watching some of the build up and

1697
01:28:47,213 --> 01:28:50,293
Speaker 7: Danny Morrison is looking more and more like Sugaran Dolton.

1698
01:28:50,653 --> 01:28:52,093
Speaker 2: Oh is it?

1699
01:28:52,293 --> 01:28:52,453
Speaker 12: Well?

1700
01:28:52,693 --> 01:28:55,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, no, actually I can kind of see that.

1701
01:28:55,213 --> 01:28:58,253
Speaker 2: I can kind of see that observation.

1702
01:28:58,373 --> 01:28:58,573
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1703
01:28:58,773 --> 01:28:58,933
Speaker 11: Right.

1704
01:28:59,093 --> 01:29:02,533
Speaker 2: So anyway, that game begins in nine minutes live from

1705
01:29:02,573 --> 01:29:04,933
Speaker 2: the Guyana National Stadium, so I'll make sure I keep

1706
01:29:04,933 --> 01:29:07,573
Speaker 2: you run up to speed that the Black Cat's bowling

1707
01:29:07,573 --> 01:29:11,373
Speaker 2: first against Afghanistan. Anyway, this morning, we are turning our

1708
01:29:11,413 --> 01:29:15,773
Speaker 2: attention to a different side of the Atlantic and Naples,

1709
01:29:15,893 --> 01:29:22,493
Speaker 2: Naples strikes many newcomers. Is pretty intense, is it Italy

1710
01:29:22,573 --> 01:29:24,053
Speaker 2: in the extreme? Would you say?

1711
01:29:24,813 --> 01:29:28,453
Speaker 7: I think it is? Yeah, rough and ready in your face, gritty, gripping,

1712
01:29:28,653 --> 01:29:32,413
Speaker 7: even intimidating to the uninitiated. And I have to say, Jack,

1713
01:29:32,493 --> 01:29:36,413
Speaker 7: on previous occasions, I have not gone beyond the train

1714
01:29:36,453 --> 01:29:40,413
Speaker 7: station in Naples because I've stuck my head outside piles

1715
01:29:40,453 --> 01:29:43,813
Speaker 7: of rubbish, the ensuing assembly of the bad and the

1716
01:29:43,933 --> 01:29:46,333
Speaker 7: sad outside, and it's just been a huge turn off.

1717
01:29:46,493 --> 01:29:51,253
Speaker 7: So I thought, last month, come on, man up, give

1718
01:29:51,373 --> 01:29:55,773
Speaker 7: Naples a fair shake. And I was very eager to

1719
01:29:55,773 --> 01:29:58,533
Speaker 7: get a real flavor of what is a heaving city.

1720
01:29:58,973 --> 01:30:02,253
Speaker 7: And I'm delighted to report I wasn't mugged, I wasn't

1721
01:30:02,333 --> 01:30:05,413
Speaker 7: gunged down by the Kimora, and I wasn't run down

1722
01:30:05,493 --> 01:30:07,933
Speaker 7: in a city where read lights are merely decorations.

1723
01:30:08,013 --> 01:30:12,013
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nice. And so despite the lawless traffic, did you

1724
01:30:12,253 --> 01:30:13,973
Speaker 2: find it to be a walkable city?

1725
01:30:14,853 --> 01:30:16,653
Speaker 7: It's definitely the way to explore it.

1726
01:30:16,733 --> 01:30:16,973
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1727
01:30:17,053 --> 01:30:20,013
Speaker 7: There are some epic main streets, many which were laid

1728
01:30:20,053 --> 01:30:24,813
Speaker 7: out thousands of years ago, like via day Tribunali, which

1729
01:30:24,973 --> 01:30:28,253
Speaker 7: just brims with monuments as you walk along the street.

1730
01:30:28,373 --> 01:30:32,733
Speaker 7: And even below Tribunali, they've got what they call the

1731
01:30:32,893 --> 01:30:38,693
Speaker 7: Monumental Complex, which is this ancient market undergrounds. The vast

1732
01:30:38,853 --> 01:30:43,053
Speaker 7: ruins of it that's fascinating to explore. But it really

1733
01:30:43,093 --> 01:30:45,373
Speaker 7: is in the skinny lanes of the old City Jack

1734
01:30:45,453 --> 01:30:49,973
Speaker 7: that serves up the most vivid slice of Neapolitan life.

1735
01:30:50,933 --> 01:30:51,133
Speaker 3: You know.

1736
01:30:51,133 --> 01:30:54,093
Speaker 7: It just sort of tumbles out into the street like

1737
01:30:54,133 --> 01:30:58,293
Speaker 7: an old Fresco pageant. You'll see teenagers flirting, schoolboys fighting,

1738
01:30:58,853 --> 01:31:02,733
Speaker 7: market store vendors touting, there wears with operatic gusto. It

1739
01:31:02,853 --> 01:31:06,773
Speaker 7: really does feel like you are getting to snatch of

1740
01:31:06,893 --> 01:31:09,093
Speaker 7: real deal naples in those lanes.

1741
01:31:08,853 --> 01:31:12,733
Speaker 2: And any standout lanes well if you're after some instant gold.

1742
01:31:12,853 --> 01:31:17,013
Speaker 7: There is this legendary Nativity street called Via San Gregorio

1743
01:31:17,173 --> 01:31:20,853
Speaker 7: a Menol, and there are hundreds of artisans in the street,

1744
01:31:21,293 --> 01:31:26,213
Speaker 7: jam packed hawking their hand crafted nativity cribs and figurines,

1745
01:31:26,573 --> 01:31:28,733
Speaker 7: so as you can imagine, come Christmas time, the place

1746
01:31:28,813 --> 01:31:31,653
Speaker 7: is just chaos. But they also do a really good

1747
01:31:31,693 --> 01:31:35,373
Speaker 7: line of contemporary figurines. You can pick up a Berlsconi

1748
01:31:35,453 --> 01:31:38,413
Speaker 7: at Trump, at marda Donna at Taylor Swift. They're all

1749
01:31:38,453 --> 01:31:41,733
Speaker 7: there in matt Street, and then in the Spanish Quarter

1750
01:31:42,173 --> 01:31:46,093
Speaker 7: they've just got like this spaghetti like tangle of lanes

1751
01:31:46,173 --> 01:31:52,853
Speaker 7: and it's home to this free story high mural of Diego, Marda,

1752
01:31:52,893 --> 01:31:56,453
Speaker 7: Donna and but of course the locals in Napoli, they

1753
01:31:56,573 --> 01:32:01,533
Speaker 7: just adore Maradonna because he skippered them to two wins

1754
01:32:01,613 --> 01:32:05,093
Speaker 7: for that Italian football championship with Napoli. So they've got

1755
01:32:05,093 --> 01:32:07,933
Speaker 7: this massive mural of him, and there are still small

1756
01:32:08,053 --> 01:32:12,853
Speaker 7: shrines beneath the mural being created today by locals who, yeah,

1757
01:32:12,933 --> 01:32:14,333
Speaker 7: they just venerate them.

1758
01:32:14,413 --> 01:32:17,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I understandably too. So where did you go

1759
01:32:17,173 --> 01:32:17,613
Speaker 2: for pizza?

1760
01:32:18,973 --> 01:32:23,133
Speaker 7: Well, you spoiled for choice in the birthplace, so I

1761
01:32:23,253 --> 01:32:26,493
Speaker 7: went to a place called Pizzaia da McLay, which has

1762
01:32:26,573 --> 01:32:31,093
Speaker 7: been pumping out the Neapolitan staples Margarita or Madhanara for

1763
01:32:31,133 --> 01:32:34,133
Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty years. And the reason there are

1764
01:32:34,253 --> 01:32:36,973
Speaker 7: huge lines at this place is because this is the

1765
01:32:37,013 --> 01:32:40,493
Speaker 7: pizzaia that had the starring appearance in each prop Club

1766
01:32:40,653 --> 01:32:44,653
Speaker 7: with Juliet Roberts. The thing which amazed me Jack is

1767
01:32:45,053 --> 01:32:48,453
Speaker 7: despite the fame of this place, the pizzas are still

1768
01:32:48,613 --> 01:32:52,853
Speaker 7: bargain priced. Five euro for a pizza bigger than a

1769
01:32:52,893 --> 01:32:53,373
Speaker 7: dinner plate.

1770
01:32:53,453 --> 01:32:53,773
Speaker 4: Wow.

1771
01:32:54,053 --> 01:32:58,573
Speaker 7: And that's whether you're dining in or to go. And

1772
01:32:58,613 --> 01:33:01,933
Speaker 7: the quite sloppy pizza, it's quite sloppy in the middle

1773
01:33:01,973 --> 01:33:04,053
Speaker 7: but definitely worth the weight.

1774
01:33:04,173 --> 01:33:06,813
Speaker 2: So when you say sloppy, do you mean the things

1775
01:33:06,813 --> 01:33:09,093
Speaker 2: are sloppy or like the Yeah, what do you mean

1776
01:33:09,133 --> 01:33:09,333
Speaker 2: by that?

1777
01:33:09,413 --> 01:33:09,573
Speaker 3: Now?

1778
01:33:09,813 --> 01:33:11,813
Speaker 2: Well, like the base is kind of sloppy.

1779
01:33:12,573 --> 01:33:15,333
Speaker 7: The base has got that lovely sort of leopard spotted

1780
01:33:15,533 --> 01:33:18,693
Speaker 7: charring once you get into it. Yeah, but once you

1781
01:33:18,693 --> 01:33:20,773
Speaker 7: get to the middle of the pizza, they just load

1782
01:33:20,853 --> 01:33:25,013
Speaker 7: up so much fresh buffalo mozzarella. Then it becomes quite

1783
01:33:25,293 --> 01:33:29,453
Speaker 7: sloppy to like folded up at like a napkin, and

1784
01:33:29,893 --> 01:33:31,293
Speaker 7: that way it's very good.

1785
01:33:31,413 --> 01:33:33,093
Speaker 2: Well that's the way because in New York, you know,

1786
01:33:33,133 --> 01:33:35,573
Speaker 2: they get a slice and then they fold it lengthways,

1787
01:33:35,933 --> 01:33:38,613
Speaker 2: you kind of over itself like a sandwid almost or something.

1788
01:33:38,693 --> 01:33:41,733
Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly, yeah, very similar. Yeah right, So what

1789
01:33:41,893 --> 01:33:43,853
Speaker 2: is the best pastry in Naples?

1790
01:33:44,653 --> 01:33:50,253
Speaker 7: Ah? I stuffed myself stupid on Follier Tella, which is

1791
01:33:50,293 --> 01:33:54,693
Speaker 7: this shell shaped Italian puff pastry similar to a croissant,

1792
01:33:55,053 --> 01:33:58,933
Speaker 7: but it's injected with sweet ricotta with a hint of vanilla,

1793
01:33:59,253 --> 01:34:01,133
Speaker 7: cinnamon and Sorrento lemon.

1794
01:34:01,413 --> 01:34:02,133
Speaker 2: Ah.

1795
01:34:02,293 --> 01:34:05,973
Speaker 7: This Follia tailor is best served warm. You want a

1796
01:34:06,013 --> 01:34:09,013
Speaker 7: warm one, and it's got a very crispy shell, very

1797
01:34:09,053 --> 01:34:13,413
Speaker 7: fluffy interior. They are synonymous with Naples binge away.

1798
01:34:13,573 --> 01:34:17,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that sounds so good. Are there good landmarks,

1799
01:34:17,613 --> 01:34:19,893
Speaker 2: good museums and Naples that are worth checking out?

1800
01:34:20,533 --> 01:34:23,293
Speaker 7: Yeah, just a couple of tips. To get your pastry

1801
01:34:23,333 --> 01:34:28,093
Speaker 7: fix on those Sofalia tellers, go to Grand Cafe Gambrinos.

1802
01:34:28,173 --> 01:34:31,653
Speaker 7: It's this landmark coffeehouse from the eighteen sixties. And right

1803
01:34:31,693 --> 01:34:35,533
Speaker 7: across the road from the cafe is Galleria Umberto Aulno,

1804
01:34:35,693 --> 01:34:40,373
Speaker 7: which is a replica, an absolute replica of the famed

1805
01:34:40,453 --> 01:34:43,453
Speaker 7: Glass Domes Galleria in Milan, and they were both built

1806
01:34:43,453 --> 01:34:46,853
Speaker 7: in the nineteenth century. The Naples version was built pretty

1807
01:34:46,893 --> 01:34:50,773
Speaker 7: much is a unification present to the city. So that's

1808
01:34:50,813 --> 01:34:54,333
Speaker 7: a must see, as is the Archaeological Museum Jack. They

1809
01:34:54,373 --> 01:34:58,533
Speaker 7: have got the most priceless artifacts rescued from Pompavia and

1810
01:34:58,693 --> 01:35:02,613
Speaker 7: best of all, the Secret Room, which counts an X

1811
01:35:02,693 --> 01:35:07,133
Speaker 7: rated collection of erotic art salvaged from the ashes of Pompeii,

1812
01:35:07,453 --> 01:35:10,333
Speaker 7: hundreds and hundreds of works. They were such a raunchy

1813
01:35:10,373 --> 01:35:14,373
Speaker 7: lot in Pompeii, and I mean I was quite I

1814
01:35:14,413 --> 01:35:18,733
Speaker 7: was feeling quite offended as I was looking at these pieces,

1815
01:35:18,773 --> 01:35:21,733
Speaker 7: the statues and the frescoes. They leave nothing to the

1816
01:35:21,733 --> 01:35:23,573
Speaker 7: imagination two thousand years ago.

1817
01:35:24,293 --> 01:35:27,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair enough, right, a little bit of blushing. Then,

1818
01:35:27,733 --> 01:35:31,453
Speaker 2: maybe what would be the quirkiest attractor in Naples.

1819
01:35:31,173 --> 01:35:34,933
Speaker 7: Well within the Gothic grandeur of their dormo the cathedral,

1820
01:35:35,253 --> 01:35:39,693
Speaker 7: the relics of the Naples patron, Saint Genoarius. Now, three

1821
01:35:39,733 --> 01:35:42,973
Speaker 7: times a year Jack, the faithful of Naples gather around

1822
01:35:43,013 --> 01:35:45,813
Speaker 7: the cathedral to witness what they call the miracle of

1823
01:35:45,853 --> 01:35:48,773
Speaker 7: the Blood. This is a weird old thing, but apparently

1824
01:35:49,453 --> 01:35:53,053
Speaker 7: he's got like dried blood from Genarius is kept in

1825
01:35:53,053 --> 01:35:55,813
Speaker 7: a glass vial, right, and three times a year it's

1826
01:35:55,853 --> 01:36:00,893
Speaker 7: brought out for public display. Supposedly, the dried blood liquefies

1827
01:36:00,933 --> 01:36:05,973
Speaker 7: in front of them. Pope Francis went to the cathedral

1828
01:36:06,013 --> 01:36:09,013
Speaker 7: for a year years ago, kissed the vial in Supposedly

1829
01:36:09,093 --> 01:36:13,853
Speaker 7: it's spontaneously liquefied for the Pope. Wow, you may want

1830
01:36:13,893 --> 01:36:16,733
Speaker 7: to add genuarious to your checklist.

1831
01:36:17,453 --> 01:36:21,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh very good. Okay, thank you so much, Mike.

1832
01:36:21,693 --> 01:36:23,613
Speaker 2: It does sound amazing. Did it win you over then?

1833
01:36:23,693 --> 01:36:24,333
Speaker 2: After all of that?

1834
01:36:25,653 --> 01:36:26,053
Speaker 7: What was that?

1835
01:36:26,133 --> 01:36:26,413
Speaker 4: Sorry?

1836
01:36:26,413 --> 01:36:29,613
Speaker 2: Did it win you over? Given your hesitance, you know,

1837
01:36:29,693 --> 01:36:30,573
Speaker 2: give you hesitation?

1838
01:36:31,253 --> 01:36:31,453
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1839
01:36:31,733 --> 01:36:34,133
Speaker 7: Yeah, in places it is a bit of a hot mess,

1840
01:36:34,453 --> 01:36:38,733
Speaker 7: but overall it's well worth checking out, very rewarding.

1841
01:36:38,853 --> 01:36:41,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. I always reckon if the place you're

1842
01:36:41,653 --> 01:36:43,173
Speaker 2: visiting is a bit of a hot mess or if

1843
01:36:43,173 --> 01:36:45,213
Speaker 2: it's intense. So if you're traveling through you know, like

1844
01:36:45,213 --> 01:36:47,853
Speaker 2: India or Pakistan or something like that, then the key

1845
01:36:47,933 --> 01:36:49,733
Speaker 2: is just to have is to shell out for really

1846
01:36:49,773 --> 01:36:51,813
Speaker 2: good accommodation so that at the end of the day

1847
01:36:52,173 --> 01:36:53,813
Speaker 2: you can try and just have a bit of tranquility,

1848
01:36:53,853 --> 01:36:56,053
Speaker 2: you know, like, if it's an intense experience outside, make

1849
01:36:56,053 --> 01:36:58,733
Speaker 2: sure the inside experience is as peaceful as possible. That's mine.

1850
01:36:59,173 --> 01:36:59,693
Speaker 3: Very wise.

1851
01:36:59,853 --> 01:37:01,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you so much. We'll put all of

1852
01:37:01,813 --> 01:37:04,013
Speaker 2: Mike's tips for getting to grips with Naples up on

1853
01:37:04,053 --> 01:37:06,533
Speaker 2: the news talks. He'd be website black Caps Afghanis that

1854
01:37:06,693 --> 01:37:09,173
Speaker 2: are about to kick off in Guyana. I'll make sure

1855
01:37:09,213 --> 01:37:10,693
Speaker 2: I keep you up to speak at the score there.

1856
01:37:10,933 --> 01:37:11,973
Speaker 2: It's just gone eleven.

1857
01:37:11,773 --> 01:37:20,053
Speaker 1: Thirty, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack

1858
01:37:20,133 --> 01:37:50,173
Speaker 1: Team on news talks 'b you Can.

1859
01:37:40,933 --> 01:37:41,293
Speaker 3: You Can?

1860
01:37:43,373 --> 01:37:46,773
Speaker 2: This is Tom York. You know him as the lead

1861
01:37:46,853 --> 01:37:50,413
Speaker 2: singer songwriter from Radiohead, but he's actually released three solo

1862
01:37:50,493 --> 01:37:53,773
Speaker 2: albums it's done all sorts of amazing stuff and incredible music. Anyway,

1863
01:37:53,773 --> 01:37:56,533
Speaker 2: he's just announced his first solo tour of New Zealand.

1864
01:37:56,613 --> 01:37:58,013
Speaker 2: It's going to be later this year. He's going to

1865
01:37:58,093 --> 01:38:00,173
Speaker 2: go to the O three, he's gonna go to christ

1866
01:38:00,213 --> 01:38:04,013
Speaker 2: Church come to Auckland as well. It's in October and

1867
01:38:04,053 --> 01:38:05,813
Speaker 2: we'll make sure we'll put some information up on the

1868
01:38:05,813 --> 01:38:08,173
Speaker 2: news Talks website. Those are sure to be very very

1869
01:38:08,213 --> 01:38:10,933
Speaker 2: popular shows indeed. And it's just after eleven thirty on

1870
01:38:10,933 --> 01:38:12,853
Speaker 2: your Saturday morning. Jason Pines in the hot seat for

1871
01:38:12,893 --> 01:38:15,933
Speaker 2: a week in Sport this afternoon. His producer Andy McDonald

1872
01:38:16,013 --> 01:38:19,053
Speaker 2: is here and Andy, Afghanistan six for none off, four

1873
01:38:19,133 --> 01:38:23,533
Speaker 2: balls and Guyana. The thing about your Afghanistan pretty good

1874
01:38:23,533 --> 01:38:26,813
Speaker 2: at T twenty surprisingly good actually yeah, I mean yeah,

1875
01:38:27,053 --> 01:38:29,533
Speaker 2: given the state of Afghanistan at the moment, I mean

1876
01:38:29,573 --> 01:38:32,533
Speaker 2: they played most of their cricket overseas, but no, you

1877
01:38:32,573 --> 01:38:34,453
Speaker 2: know what, they're not a bad shout in this game.

1878
01:38:34,453 --> 01:38:36,013
Speaker 2: They were a very good shout actually, And I was

1879
01:38:36,053 --> 01:38:38,253
Speaker 2: looking at the odds last night, Yeah, about two dollars

1880
01:38:38,253 --> 01:38:42,973
Speaker 2: seventy underdogs, which for Afghanistan against age, you established top

1881
01:38:42,973 --> 01:38:46,093
Speaker 2: eight nation like New Zealand, who've admittedly played hard leaning

1882
01:38:46,133 --> 01:38:48,613
Speaker 2: cricket in the past week. While regardless, if you were

1883
01:38:48,613 --> 01:38:50,453
Speaker 2: going to have a punt today, you would say you've

1884
01:38:50,453 --> 01:38:53,133
Speaker 2: probably got a better chance putting a buck on Afghanistan

1885
01:38:53,173 --> 01:38:54,933
Speaker 2: than you do entering powerball. O.

1886
01:38:55,533 --> 01:38:56,093
Speaker 12: Yeah, big time.

1887
01:38:56,973 --> 01:38:58,373
Speaker 2: Thank you for reminding me. I haven't even got my

1888
01:38:58,453 --> 01:39:00,813
Speaker 2: ticket yet. Actually, yeah, maybe if you get that you

1889
01:39:00,853 --> 01:39:03,213
Speaker 2: can hit over and enjoy the spectacle of the teach

1890
01:39:03,253 --> 01:39:04,733
Speaker 2: when we World Cup, because it has been a lot

1891
01:39:04,733 --> 01:39:08,013
Speaker 2: of fun with even USA beating Pakistan as well. It's

1892
01:39:08,453 --> 01:39:10,573
Speaker 2: Canada beat Ireland this morning on top of that, so

1893
01:39:10,613 --> 01:39:13,373
Speaker 2: it's under It does feel like we're in it. We're

1894
01:39:13,413 --> 01:39:16,653
Speaker 2: at the sort of point and T twenty cricket a

1895
01:39:16,693 --> 01:39:18,693
Speaker 2: little bit kind of like where it is a little

1896
01:39:18,693 --> 01:39:21,413
Speaker 2: bit like seven's rugby where it feels like lots of

1897
01:39:21,453 --> 01:39:25,213
Speaker 2: these teams that are kind of you know, don't have

1898
01:39:25,453 --> 01:39:29,453
Speaker 2: you know, they're not Test playing nations necessarily in the

1899
01:39:29,453 --> 01:39:31,413
Speaker 2: T twenty format, they are able to compete with the

1900
01:39:31,413 --> 01:39:33,573
Speaker 2: big boys, and all you need is for one of

1901
01:39:33,613 --> 01:39:34,933
Speaker 2: those teams to have a bit of an off day

1902
01:39:34,973 --> 01:39:36,773
Speaker 2: and conditions to favor them, and a Batsmen have an

1903
01:39:36,773 --> 01:39:38,613
Speaker 2: amazing performance and what do you know you can have

1904
01:39:38,613 --> 01:39:39,453
Speaker 2: an upset victory.

1905
01:39:39,533 --> 01:39:39,693
Speaker 5: Oh?

1906
01:39:39,733 --> 01:39:42,413
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think there's another great set. I heard

1907
01:39:42,453 --> 01:39:46,133
Speaker 2: England have never beaten a European team in World Cup

1908
01:39:46,173 --> 01:39:49,893
Speaker 2: cricket because they've played the Netherlands twice, lost to them

1909
01:39:49,893 --> 01:39:52,933
Speaker 2: and then they they were rained out against Scotland. So

1910
01:39:53,533 --> 01:39:58,133
Speaker 2: these it's a perfect format. These these we call them

1911
01:39:58,133 --> 01:40:00,893
Speaker 2: mino teams. But some of them, like Afghanistan does not

1912
01:40:00,973 --> 01:40:04,813
Speaker 2: deserve the tagnos anymore. I don't think that give them

1913
01:40:04,853 --> 01:40:08,413
Speaker 2: a chance to actually shine and realistically enjoy a chance

1914
01:40:08,413 --> 01:40:11,293
Speaker 2: of beating one of these top nations. And like we've seen,

1915
01:40:11,333 --> 01:40:13,533
Speaker 2: I think now there's two days in a row we've

1916
01:40:13,573 --> 01:40:15,533
Speaker 2: had an underdog we might get We might even get

1917
01:40:15,573 --> 01:40:18,893
Speaker 2: that from Afghanistan today, although I do I do hope

1918
01:40:18,893 --> 01:40:20,933
Speaker 2: for New Zealand and this one. But that's a turning

1919
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Speaker 2: pitch as well, which probably helps Afghanistan a lot. Yeah,

1920
01:40:23,413 --> 01:40:27,733
Speaker 2: that's true. Yeah, So with super Rugby, speaking of upsets,

1921
01:40:27,733 --> 01:40:29,853
Speaker 2: what do you reckon the likelihood is that the hardeneders

1922
01:40:29,893 --> 01:40:32,253
Speaker 2: can get up tonight? Because I reckon Blues drew it.

1923
01:40:32,453 --> 01:40:35,133
Speaker 2: That's a shoeing for the Blues, right Canes Rebels, that's

1924
01:40:35,133 --> 01:40:37,253
Speaker 2: a shoeing for the Canes. That's four thirty the Blues game,

1925
01:40:37,293 --> 01:40:40,013
Speaker 2: seven o'clock to night, nine thirty to night Brumbies Highlanders.

1926
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Speaker 2: I reckon the Landers could get up, there would be

1927
01:40:41,813 --> 01:40:43,053
Speaker 2: a bit of a surprise. I think those in the

1928
01:40:43,093 --> 01:40:44,613
Speaker 2: Deep South might not like me for this. I don't

1929
01:40:44,613 --> 01:40:47,853
Speaker 2: think they can the Brumbies at home that they beat

1930
01:40:47,973 --> 01:40:50,653
Speaker 2: the Hurricanes at home. Yeah, even they're not though they're

1931
01:40:50,693 --> 01:40:52,613
Speaker 2: not playing the Hurricanes. The Hurricanes haven't been the Brumbies

1932
01:40:52,693 --> 01:40:55,733
Speaker 2: since twenty seventeen, I don't think so, and most of

1933
01:40:55,773 --> 01:40:58,293
Speaker 2: them have been played in Canberra. So I don't see

1934
01:40:58,773 --> 01:41:02,253
Speaker 2: much of a chance for the Highlanders. Although stranger things

1935
01:41:02,253 --> 01:41:04,053
Speaker 2: have happened. We all thought last night was actually going

1936
01:41:04,133 --> 01:41:05,253
Speaker 2: to be the one that was going to lead to

1937
01:41:05,293 --> 01:41:08,813
Speaker 2: an upset and the Chiefs just robbed home. Nah, I

1938
01:41:08,853 --> 01:41:10,933
Speaker 2: was confident aenced last night, but yeah, I mean it

1939
01:41:11,053 --> 01:41:12,813
Speaker 2: was certainly one side in the what's on the show

1940
01:41:12,813 --> 01:41:16,493
Speaker 2: this afternoon? Oh, we've got inside our CEO, Mark Robinson.

1941
01:41:17,173 --> 01:41:20,493
Speaker 2: Is a chill time lately. All all the spotlight's been

1942
01:41:20,573 --> 01:41:22,653
Speaker 2: on the board lately. But now now we're back to

1943
01:41:22,693 --> 01:41:24,893
Speaker 2: the CEO to find out the fallout for him from

1944
01:41:24,893 --> 01:41:28,173
Speaker 2: that one a bit of obviously previewing all those quarter

1945
01:41:28,213 --> 01:41:30,213
Speaker 2: finals as well, going out to the Highlanders chatting to

1946
01:41:30,253 --> 01:41:33,213
Speaker 2: Ethan de Groot ye Greek k out of the Blues

1947
01:41:33,253 --> 01:41:36,733
Speaker 2: and Braden Newyrsse from the Hurricanes, and the Warriors play

1948
01:41:36,773 --> 01:41:38,013
Speaker 2: tonight as well against the Cowboys.

1949
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Speaker 7: That's right.

1950
01:41:38,493 --> 01:41:41,373
Speaker 2: Stacy Jones joins us for a quick yarn on that

1951
01:41:41,493 --> 01:41:44,213
Speaker 2: was the Warriors game tonight, seven thirty, so right, so

1952
01:41:44,293 --> 01:41:46,173
Speaker 2: pick here. This is one of those week in main

1953
01:41:46,213 --> 01:41:48,253
Speaker 2: screen hang on, so we're going to be able to go.

1954
01:41:48,333 --> 01:41:50,533
Speaker 2: There's going to be a perfect because the black Caps

1955
01:41:50,533 --> 01:41:52,333
Speaker 2: will finish up just in time for a bit of

1956
01:41:52,373 --> 01:41:54,733
Speaker 2: analysis for the end of the game. Obviously we're going

1957
01:41:54,773 --> 01:41:56,093
Speaker 2: to have Weekend Sport going the whole time, but then

1958
01:41:56,133 --> 01:41:58,933
Speaker 2: you go straight into the rugby this afternoon, the Canes game,

1959
01:41:58,973 --> 01:42:00,933
Speaker 2: and then straight into the Blues. But then you're going

1960
01:42:00,933 --> 01:42:02,973
Speaker 2: to go the Warriors as well to decide between oh,

1961
01:42:03,173 --> 01:42:05,333
Speaker 2: if it's a if it's for the Blues, you can

1962
01:42:05,373 --> 01:42:08,133
Speaker 2: just quickly change over the Worries for excitement. Perfect, very good,

1963
01:42:08,173 --> 01:42:11,453
Speaker 2: thank you, sir, Jack Andy McDonald live. Jason Pine is

1964
01:42:11,493 --> 01:42:13,973
Speaker 2: going to be on Mike for Weekend Sport right after

1965
01:42:13,973 --> 01:42:17,053
Speaker 2: the twelve o'clock news on Newstalks EDB. Coming up before midday,

1966
01:42:17,133 --> 01:42:19,973
Speaker 2: new music from You for You from Georgia Lines. And

1967
01:42:20,013 --> 01:42:21,653
Speaker 2: next up we're going to tell you about the latest

1968
01:42:21,773 --> 01:42:24,333
Speaker 2: John Grisham thriller twenty four to twelve.

1969
01:42:24,733 --> 01:42:26,333
Speaker 3: A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

1970
01:42:26,493 --> 01:42:30,133
Speaker 1: Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and Beepeur

1971
01:42:30,253 --> 01:42:33,413
Speaker 1: dot co dot nzen for high quality supplements used talk

1972
01:42:33,493 --> 01:42:33,893
Speaker 1: z EDB.

1973
01:42:34,053 --> 01:42:36,013
Speaker 2: Right now it's twenty one to twelve one News Talks

1974
01:42:36,013 --> 01:42:38,853
Speaker 2: head B. Katherine Rains has two books to recommend to

1975
01:42:38,973 --> 01:42:41,733
Speaker 2: us this weekend. Hey Katherine, morning Jack. Let's begin with

1976
01:42:41,773 --> 01:42:44,413
Speaker 2: the latest from John Grisham. Tell us about Camino Island.

1977
01:42:45,013 --> 01:42:49,773
Speaker 17: So this centers on three characters, author Mercerman and Bruce Cable,

1978
01:42:49,773 --> 01:42:52,573
Speaker 17: who's the owner of Bay Books and Murser is looking

1979
01:42:52,613 --> 01:42:55,933
Speaker 17: for inspiration for her third novel and Bruce suggests to

1980
01:42:55,933 --> 01:42:58,373
Speaker 17: her the story of Dark Eye, which is this uninhabited

1981
01:42:58,413 --> 01:43:02,293
Speaker 17: island between Florida and Georgia that was once a home

1982
01:43:02,333 --> 01:43:05,613
Speaker 17: to a community of runaway slaves. And the third characters

1983
01:43:05,693 --> 01:43:08,573
Speaker 17: are living to see of the Dark Isle. Miss Lovely Jackson,

1984
01:43:08,573 --> 01:43:11,533
Speaker 17: who's now in her eighties and lives on Camino Island,

1985
01:43:11,573 --> 01:43:14,013
Speaker 17: having left the Dark Island nineteen fifty five when she

1986
01:43:14,133 --> 01:43:16,933
Speaker 17: was fifteen with her mother, who was a slave, and

1987
01:43:16,973 --> 01:43:19,293
Speaker 17: she's published a book about the island in his History

1988
01:43:19,613 --> 01:43:23,173
Speaker 17: and things like that. And now this deserted island has

1989
01:43:23,173 --> 01:43:26,253
Speaker 17: caught the attention of property developers in this large corporation

1990
01:43:26,453 --> 01:43:29,333
Speaker 17: and they've got political backing and money and plans, and

1991
01:43:29,333 --> 01:43:32,773
Speaker 17: they want to build a casino on this island and

1992
01:43:32,813 --> 01:43:35,373
Speaker 17: lovely plans to prove her ownership of the Dark Isle

1993
01:43:35,453 --> 01:43:38,373
Speaker 17: and thought their plans and protect the land where her

1994
01:43:38,493 --> 01:43:41,893
Speaker 17: ancestors are buried. So you get this captivating and heartbreaking

1995
01:43:41,933 --> 01:43:44,813
Speaker 17: tale of this rich historical perspective and the law of

1996
01:43:44,853 --> 01:43:48,293
Speaker 17: the island and the chapters interspersed through the novel and

1997
01:43:48,373 --> 01:43:51,973
Speaker 17: the history of the British and Spanish owned colonies and slavery,

1998
01:43:52,413 --> 01:43:54,813
Speaker 17: and you get her account of the realities of the

1999
01:43:54,853 --> 01:43:57,573
Speaker 17: slave trade and that her mother escaped against this greed

2000
01:43:57,613 --> 01:44:01,453
Speaker 17: of corporations and the questionable practices of politicians and complete

2001
01:44:01,493 --> 01:44:04,173
Speaker 17: disregard for the environment and the sprawl of this business.

2002
01:44:04,213 --> 01:44:07,053
Speaker 17: And it's a great you know, John Grisham's a master storyteller,

2003
01:44:07,093 --> 01:44:09,453
Speaker 17: and it's a great story and the way all the

2004
01:44:09,533 --> 01:44:12,973
Speaker 17: characters mession mald together and yeah, it's just it's well told,

2005
01:44:12,973 --> 01:44:15,093
Speaker 17: and you get very engrossed in what's going on in

2006
01:44:15,133 --> 01:44:17,853
Speaker 17: the island and lovely story and it's so good.

2007
01:44:17,733 --> 01:44:21,453
Speaker 2: Great, excellent. Okay, that's Camino Island by John Gresham. You've

2008
01:44:21,453 --> 01:44:25,253
Speaker 2: also read Endgame nineteen forty four, How Stalin Won the

2009
01:44:25,293 --> 01:44:26,733
Speaker 2: War by Jonathan Dimbleby.

2010
01:44:27,493 --> 01:44:31,733
Speaker 17: So this looks at how the Soviet victories actually enabled

2011
01:44:31,893 --> 01:44:34,893
Speaker 17: Stalin to dictate the terms of the post war settlement

2012
01:44:34,973 --> 01:44:37,773
Speaker 17: and lay the foundations for the Cold War. And the

2013
01:44:37,773 --> 01:44:41,973
Speaker 17: focus of Dimbully's book is on Operation Baggeration, and it

2014
01:44:42,013 --> 01:44:44,853
Speaker 17: starts in nineteen forty four, and it's the Soviet on

2015
01:44:44,933 --> 01:44:47,453
Speaker 17: slought during the Second World War and this offensive on

2016
01:44:47,573 --> 01:44:51,013
Speaker 17: five fronts four Soviet armis and one Polish and it's

2017
01:44:51,013 --> 01:44:54,733
Speaker 17: partially there and driven by the humiliation of the German

2018
01:44:54,733 --> 01:44:57,013
Speaker 17: evasion in nineteen forty one of the USSR, when the

2019
01:44:57,093 --> 01:45:00,533
Speaker 17: German Armony were on the outskirts of Moscow. And so

2020
01:45:00,693 --> 01:45:03,773
Speaker 17: these well over a million men set out across a

2021
01:45:03,813 --> 01:45:07,053
Speaker 17: line stretching from the Baltic to the Black and it

2022
01:45:07,133 --> 01:45:10,293
Speaker 17: began in June forty four and at the same time

2023
01:45:10,333 --> 01:45:12,933
Speaker 17: as the Normandy landings in the first week of that month,

2024
01:45:13,253 --> 01:45:16,573
Speaker 17: and by August they were on the outskirts of Warsawts,

2025
01:45:16,573 --> 01:45:18,973
Speaker 17: so they advanced in some cases as much as six

2026
01:45:19,093 --> 01:45:21,933
Speaker 17: hundred kilometers and the you know, the Nazi armies were

2027
01:45:21,933 --> 01:45:24,293
Speaker 17: out of the Baltic and batteries in eastern Poland and

2028
01:45:24,813 --> 01:45:28,253
Speaker 17: across the border regions, and you know, both armies suffered

2029
01:45:29,053 --> 01:45:32,853
Speaker 17: horrific casualties in the in the five months, and thousands

2030
01:45:32,893 --> 01:45:35,493
Speaker 17: of German and Soviet mens killed and wounded and captured,

2031
01:45:36,653 --> 01:45:39,413
Speaker 17: you know, and the devastating losses of German armor and equipment.

2032
01:45:39,533 --> 01:45:43,533
Speaker 17: And you know, he demultique brings into his military story,

2033
01:45:43,813 --> 01:45:46,493
Speaker 17: you know, extracts from Russian and German diaries and private letters,

2034
01:45:46,533 --> 01:45:48,453
Speaker 17: so you get this real personal telling of the story

2035
01:45:48,493 --> 01:45:52,413
Speaker 17: as well. What was really interesting, actually Germany's worst enemy

2036
01:45:52,533 --> 01:45:55,933
Speaker 17: was actually probably Adolf Hitler, because again and again he

2037
01:45:55,973 --> 01:45:58,933
Speaker 17: would say that towns were strongholds and he wouldn't let

2038
01:45:58,973 --> 01:46:02,413
Speaker 17: anyone retreat, and then divisions and armies would find themselves

2039
01:46:02,453 --> 01:46:05,173
Speaker 17: surrounded and it's a pattern to keep it occurring. But

2040
01:46:05,253 --> 01:46:09,973
Speaker 17: by contrast, Startup let his field commanders and kept in

2041
01:46:09,973 --> 01:46:12,573
Speaker 17: contact with him, but he's seldom interfered with their decisions.

2042
01:46:12,653 --> 01:46:15,893
Speaker 17: And so you get this Russian offensive alongside Allied conferences

2043
01:46:15,893 --> 01:46:20,213
Speaker 17: and strategies, and this very stormy relationship between Roosevelt, Startin,

2044
01:46:20,293 --> 01:46:23,133
Speaker 17: and Churchill as they try to agree on Europe's post

2045
01:46:23,173 --> 01:46:23,733
Speaker 17: war future.

2046
01:46:23,853 --> 01:46:24,373
Speaker 3: And it's a.

2047
01:46:24,413 --> 01:46:27,453
Speaker 17: Fascinating narrative and a very different kind of look in

2048
01:46:27,493 --> 01:46:30,013
Speaker 17: some ways that you know, how everything came together and

2049
01:46:30,053 --> 01:46:31,333
Speaker 17: really how the Cold War started.

2050
01:46:31,533 --> 01:46:34,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is amazing, right, Like I think, you know,

2051
01:46:34,893 --> 01:46:36,333
Speaker 2: just because of the way we all kind of tell

2052
01:46:36,373 --> 01:46:38,933
Speaker 2: our own stories and history and stuff, that Russia's role

2053
01:46:39,093 --> 01:46:43,133
Speaker 2: is often overlooked, at least, you know, through some Western

2054
01:46:43,213 --> 01:46:47,013
Speaker 2: lenses when it comes to you know, the incredible sacrifices

2055
01:46:47,053 --> 01:46:49,853
Speaker 2: and efforts made in World War Two, and you know,

2056
01:46:49,933 --> 01:46:52,453
Speaker 2: remarkable to think about how that story has now been

2057
01:46:52,453 --> 01:46:55,773
Speaker 2: twisted in Russia by Vladimir Putin and is being used

2058
01:46:55,813 --> 01:46:59,053
Speaker 2: once again for you know, what some would say is

2059
01:46:59,253 --> 01:47:05,213
Speaker 2: you know, completely you know, antithetical to democracy. Yeah, it's

2060
01:47:05,293 --> 01:47:07,773
Speaker 2: quite remarkable, Thank you so Muchine, sounds really interesting. So

2061
01:47:07,853 --> 01:47:10,893
Speaker 2: that's nineteen forty four. In Game nineteen forty four, House

2062
01:47:10,893 --> 01:47:14,373
Speaker 2: Stalin Won the War by Jonathan Dimbleby and Catherine's first book,

2063
01:47:14,373 --> 01:47:17,173
Speaker 2: The John Grisham one is called Camino Island. Both of

2064
01:47:17,173 --> 01:47:19,173
Speaker 2: those are up on the News Talks He'd be website.

2065
01:47:19,413 --> 01:47:22,893
Speaker 2: Georgia Lines is an amazing New Zealand musician. She just

2066
01:47:22,933 --> 01:47:25,373
Speaker 2: won one of the top awards at the Alta Or

2067
01:47:25,533 --> 01:47:28,933
Speaker 2: Music Awards. She's also just released her first album. The

2068
01:47:28,973 --> 01:47:31,413
Speaker 2: album is called The Rose of Jericho and we're going

2069
01:47:31,493 --> 01:47:32,973
Speaker 2: to play some of it for you next.

2070
01:47:33,813 --> 01:47:36,333
Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on all you need in

2071
01:47:36,493 --> 01:47:39,533
Speaker 1: US Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bpure dot co

2072
01:47:39,653 --> 01:47:42,893
Speaker 1: dot NZ for high quality supplements used Talks'd be.

2073
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Speaker 18: There, run any words anymore as you wonty the drawers,

2074
01:47:47,973 --> 01:47:52,373
Speaker 18: you said love was getting lost in the plane tanks

2075
01:47:52,453 --> 01:47:55,333
Speaker 18: mean to know on the reason we broke.

2076
01:47:55,293 --> 01:48:02,773
Speaker 19: To your colors and turn into gray. This is the

2077
01:48:02,973 --> 01:48:14,933
Speaker 19: Massy new.

2078
01:48:15,013 --> 01:48:18,373
Speaker 2: This is Georgia Lines. She's got a new album called

2079
01:48:18,413 --> 01:48:20,933
Speaker 2: The Rose of Jericho. That song's called the Letter. She

2080
01:48:21,133 --> 01:48:24,253
Speaker 2: just has such a good voice, doesn't She's amazing music

2081
01:48:24,293 --> 01:48:26,653
Speaker 2: review a Stelle Cliff It has been listening to the album.

2082
01:48:26,693 --> 01:48:28,173
Speaker 2: She's with us skelterer.

2083
01:48:28,693 --> 01:48:32,773
Speaker 20: Aw that just got me in the fields. Yeah, you

2084
01:48:32,813 --> 01:48:36,573
Speaker 20: know when you instantly listen to something and you think, WHOA,

2085
01:48:36,693 --> 01:48:39,373
Speaker 20: they have been through a lot since the last time.

2086
01:48:39,173 --> 01:48:41,893
Speaker 2: When we spoke yeah yeah, and just.

2087
01:48:41,853 --> 01:48:45,853
Speaker 20: Putting it all right out there, and such visual lyrics

2088
01:48:45,933 --> 01:48:49,413
Speaker 20: that she gives us the whole as you empty the drawers,

2089
01:48:49,933 --> 01:48:51,213
Speaker 20: love's getting lost in the pain.

2090
01:48:51,293 --> 01:48:52,533
Speaker 13: I'm like far around.

2091
01:48:52,533 --> 01:48:54,613
Speaker 20: It feels like you're at that moment where it all

2092
01:48:54,653 --> 01:48:57,253
Speaker 20: came tumbling down and someone's walking out the door. And

2093
01:48:58,173 --> 01:49:00,933
Speaker 20: then you also put that, like you said, her voice

2094
01:49:00,973 --> 01:49:04,413
Speaker 20: is absolutely incredible, and this album is an absolute pure

2095
01:49:04,453 --> 01:49:07,613
Speaker 20: showcase of everything she can do with her voice, where

2096
01:49:07,693 --> 01:49:11,613
Speaker 20: sometimes it's like deep and low and rich and just

2097
01:49:11,853 --> 01:49:14,533
Speaker 20: really down at this level, and then it grows into

2098
01:49:15,413 --> 01:49:19,533
Speaker 20: almost like a theme song from a from a film

2099
01:49:19,653 --> 01:49:21,293
Speaker 20: or something, you know, like they just grow into these

2100
01:49:21,333 --> 01:49:23,853
Speaker 20: really big the ones where she's used the orchestral backing.

2101
01:49:24,533 --> 01:49:28,253
Speaker 20: She really has just flown into these big, huge, all

2102
01:49:28,333 --> 01:49:31,573
Speaker 20: encompassing songs. I actually think it's kind of weird with

2103
01:49:31,613 --> 01:49:34,773
Speaker 20: Georgia Lines to say that this is her debut album

2104
01:49:35,133 --> 01:49:41,293
Speaker 20: because she's released so many incredible singles. She has been

2105
01:49:41,333 --> 01:49:44,093
Speaker 20: on both of the Tola hen Air tours, and she's

2106
01:49:44,173 --> 01:49:48,013
Speaker 20: released incredible singles from that. She's been over to South

2107
01:49:48,053 --> 01:49:49,733
Speaker 20: by South.

2108
01:49:49,573 --> 01:49:51,413
Speaker 2: What's called southwest by South.

2109
01:49:51,733 --> 01:49:52,173
Speaker 11: There we go.

2110
01:49:56,093 --> 01:49:58,453
Speaker 20: There's a place right in Texas where they do this show,

2111
01:50:00,053 --> 01:50:02,893
Speaker 20: and she's been there like six or seven times, so

2112
01:50:03,053 --> 01:50:05,813
Speaker 20: she's got this really great traction for live shows and

2113
01:50:05,813 --> 01:50:08,693
Speaker 20: what she's really but finally this whole full body of

2114
01:50:08,733 --> 01:50:12,853
Speaker 20: work outside the EPs and it is a real journey.

2115
01:50:13,013 --> 01:50:15,693
Speaker 20: I just again right from the first list and I'm

2116
01:50:15,733 --> 01:50:19,013
Speaker 20: like bloomin Eck's she's been going through a lot. There's

2117
01:50:19,053 --> 01:50:23,813
Speaker 20: this palpable heartache, very vulnerable, and I think that's incredible

2118
01:50:23,853 --> 01:50:26,493
Speaker 20: for an artist to be able to deliver that in

2119
01:50:26,533 --> 01:50:28,533
Speaker 20: a space where you know other people are now going

2120
01:50:28,613 --> 01:50:31,253
Speaker 20: to take hold of that and go, hey, what's going on?

2121
01:50:33,173 --> 01:50:36,173
Speaker 20: At times is that real goosebumpy skin. And I love

2122
01:50:36,293 --> 01:50:39,773
Speaker 20: the the orchestral arrangements, but they have these heavy keys

2123
01:50:39,853 --> 01:50:42,493
Speaker 20: or heavy basslines that will go underneath it, so it

2124
01:50:42,493 --> 01:50:45,973
Speaker 20: gives it that kind of almost atmospheric hum behind some

2125
01:50:46,013 --> 01:50:49,973
Speaker 20: of the songs. Yeah, visual as well, and sometimes it's

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Speaker 20: just a girl at a piano pouring your heart out

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Speaker 20: and that's incredible too. And then you get into I

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Speaker 20: think this is the great thing. There's real light and

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Speaker 20: shade in the album, So it's not all gonna it's

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Speaker 20: not all going to keep you down there in the

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Speaker 20: in the sorrow, in the dark. There's all so some

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Speaker 20: real light and some real jams on here. You're gonna

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Speaker 20: play one of those soon acturally where I just it's

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Speaker 20: almost got like an eighties pop sort of okay yeah

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Speaker 20: once again, kind of a synth sort of in the background,

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Speaker 20: and it's got pacey drums and the songs called say

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Speaker 20: You Say You Still, and it's just again her real

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Speaker 20: clever lyrics that just they're quite relatable and they draw

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Speaker 20: you in with how she delivers them. And I think

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Speaker 20: again she's just really played with her vocals and how

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Speaker 20: she's put those into you know, the melodic where she

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Speaker 20: where she changes pace sometimes isn't quite where you'd think

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Speaker 20: it would go, but it's such a catchy way of

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Speaker 20: doing things that you can't help just getting along with

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Speaker 20: the song. Like I've only I've listened to this album

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Speaker 20: a few times through the week, and I feel very

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Speaker 20: familiar with it already.

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Speaker 2: Oh And I think that says a.

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Speaker 20: Lot for songwriting and melodies and being really catchy, really

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Speaker 20: tingly doet with tests. I mean, you just know once

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Speaker 20: you hear his dulcet tones on this on You're just

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Speaker 20: going to melt right, Yeah, and it's yeah, that's near

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Speaker 20: the end of the album, so that sort of comes

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Speaker 20: on and you're like, WHOA, hang on, I thought we'd

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Speaker 20: done all the emotional laiels.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 20: I think it's gonna be an epic one to see

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Speaker 20: her perform live, and it'll be really interesting to see whose

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Speaker 20: storytelling and interviews when she, you know, releases such an

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Speaker 20: album that's clearly full of so much of her own

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Speaker 20: heart hard on sleeve. It's out there, how she navigates there,

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Speaker 20: I suppose, and then the delivery when it comes into

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01:52:39,533 --> 01:52:43,253
Speaker 20: live gigs. If you are in Tonga tonight, she's at

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Speaker 20: Taught to Street. Possibly that's already sold out. It is

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Speaker 20: the album Rea, so it could already have been gone

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Speaker 20: because it's her hometown too. She's been packed up by

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01:52:51,573 --> 01:52:55,013
Speaker 20: the same big talent agent who looks after little bands

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Speaker 20: like Coldplay and m GMT. Yeah. I think I think

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Speaker 20: you even approage to her.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: I think Larry Whitman was kind of like, oh, I

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Speaker 20: look after these guys. You might have heard of them,

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Speaker 20: which I mean, I'm sure or Georgia was willing to

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Speaker 20: just say the same like us. Yeah, yeah, okay, so

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Speaker 20: what did you give it?

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Speaker 2: Why did you give music? Great? Yeah, the Rose of Jericho, The.

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Speaker 20: Rise of Jericho, Rebirth, refinding yourself. It's it's a clean

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Speaker 20: sing out attention.

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Speaker 2: This is oh so good. All right, Yeah, okay, we're

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Speaker 2: going to we can listen to it again in a

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes. Thank you so much to Stell's Spur.

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Speaker 2: Music reviewer Georgia lines new album, which is sell rickons

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Speaker 2: there's years technically her debut album, but maybe not because

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Speaker 2: she's released so much good stuff already. Is called The

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Speaker 2: Rows of Jericho will play a bit more than a

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes very quickly to Guyana and the black

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Speaker 2: Caps are doing everything they can not to take a wicket.

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Speaker 2: There've been at least two drop catches that I've seen,

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Speaker 2: multiple stumping and run out a missed opportunities. It's really

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Speaker 2: gone to the dogs. In their first five overs Afghanistan

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Speaker 2: thirty nine for none, and the black Caps had taken

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Speaker 2: all of their chances, would have about seven wickets by now.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, not going very well to start things off

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Speaker 2: in our first game of the t twenty Men's Cricket

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Speaker 2: World Cup. Anyway, I'll let you know if through any

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Speaker 2: wickets in the next few minutes. Seven to twelve on

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Speaker 2: right after the midday news. It's coming up shortly. The

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Speaker 2: black Caps still haven't got a wicket forty four for

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Speaker 2: none in Afghanistan after five point four overs. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: leave you with the incredible voice of Kiwi musician Georgia

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Speaker 2: lines from her album The Rows of Jericho. This is

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Speaker 2: say you still and I'll see you soon.

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Speaker 10: I'll keep living from ookis like We're roll over.

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Speaker 11: I left my number with your neighbor shirt of Collier. Oh,

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Speaker 11: I've been waiting for you. I'm sorry waiting for you.

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Speaker 10: I won't keep leaving from Sukus. That's a lot.

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Speaker 3: And studying minute. We've been fine tracked.

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Speaker 1: Say step, says.

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Speaker 19: Still says step.

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Speaker 3: And study.

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Speaker 18: We've been bad, tried, say still, say still, say skin like.

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Speaker 3: It, focus.

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Speaker 12: Your name.

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Speaker 3: We'll live, try it, keep playing for more from Saturday

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Speaker 3: Morning with Jack Tame.

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