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Speaker 1: The government has told Sport New Zealand to scrap its

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Speaker 1: transgender guidelines. Can like completely scrap them. It was originally

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Speaker 1: asked to review them, now being told just stay out

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Speaker 1: of it all together. Thank you very much. Individual sports

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Speaker 1: organizations will continue to make the call around gender and

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Speaker 1: community sport. Row Edges from Save Women's Sport joins me

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Speaker 1: this morning, Row, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning line.

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Speaker 1: They were only guidelines to begin with. Is this a

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Speaker 1: big deal?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is because unfortunately sport needs doing to hold

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Speaker 2: the funding leaders for sports throughout the country, and so

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Speaker 2: they all felt compelled to adopt them. You know, we

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Speaker 2: really welcome this decision to dump them because it supported

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Speaker 2: boys and men in the male advantage claying and girls

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Speaker 2: and women's sport, and it was an ideological policy that

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Speaker 2: while the intent I know was honorable, it was obviously

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Speaker 2: injective to include males who identify as females and women's

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Speaker 2: sport couldn't be done without compromising seness and sagetography email athletes.

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Speaker 1: This is we're talking about community sports here, right, It's

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Speaker 1: not elite sport, is there?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: But is that not a different kettle of fish?

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Speaker 2: It is totally not a different kill of fish. Community

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Speaker 2: sports is all sport up until you represent your country,

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Speaker 2: So it includes regional competitions, national age grade competitions. It

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Speaker 2: is the pathway through to allege sports. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: the ends in safety matters at elite level, it matters

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Speaker 2: at community level too.

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Speaker 1: Ro what happens because it's the individual organizations, the bodies

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Speaker 1: that set their own rules. So do you think that

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Speaker 1: they will listen to this or not listen to this?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what have any of them changed their rules

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Speaker 1: based on the old guidelines to begin with?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they already have tras on New Zealand and boxing.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand have already moved to change their guidelines and

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Speaker 2: they protect the female category, and a lot of other

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Speaker 2: sports have had theirs in review. I think waiting on

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Speaker 2: this decision, the landscape of transgender inclusion sport has evolved

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Speaker 2: significantly since those guiding principles were first introduced. At the time,

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Speaker 2: sports did need some help because the IOC had made

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Speaker 2: this announcement which stunned the world opening up the female

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Speaker 2: category and treating women as nothing more than men with

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Speaker 2: lower testosterone. But most international sporting federations now has moved

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Speaker 2: to protect the female category and this allows our national

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Speaker 2: federations to follow foods.

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Speaker 1: Okay, right, do you hate trains people? This is whatever.

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Speaker 2: We want. We want everyone to be included and but

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Speaker 2: we play sport with our bodies, not our identities, so

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Speaker 2: it needs to be in the category of your biological tech.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time this morning, wrote Edge Save Women Sport

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Speaker 1: Australasia New Zealand spokesperson.

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