1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Israel has boun to international pressure and is allowing some 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: aid into the Gaza Strip. Trump is blaming HMAS for 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: stealing aid from people, Claimeniera is an emergency coordinator at 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Doctors Without Borders, High Claire Hi. There are the air 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: drops and the pauses to deliver aid enough. 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: No, it is definitely not enough. This is a population 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: that has received no aid coming in safely for months 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: and months now, so whatever is coming in now is 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: vastly inadequate. We need a longer term solution. 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: Ahamas stealing the aid, like the President claims. 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: We have absolutely no evidence of that. And while I 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: was there on the ground, all I could see was 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: that medical supplies we're going into the hospitals that we 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: work in, and we were trying to deliver aid to 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: the population. So all of these claims to me are 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: completely baseless. 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,319 Speaker 1: There are photographs that have been taken, or at least 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: one photograph that I've seen, of young men on the 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: aid trucks with weapons. What's going on there? 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know where these weapons are coming from. 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: But while I was there, we did have some trucks 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: come in with medical supplies and it's the Israeli authorities 23 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: who told us to use roads that are very unsafe, 24 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: and they made the trucks come in at night, and 25 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: then those trucks were attacked. So to me, it felt 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: like we were walking into a. 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: Trap and attacked my home. 28 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know who it was, but we were 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 2: followed the whole way by an Israeli quad copter, which 30 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: is an unmanned drone device which can shoot in all 31 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: directions and it's one of the most alarming and scary 32 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: pieces of military weapons that they use. 33 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: And when you say the trucks were attacked, what happened. 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: Well, the trucks were moving along in a convoy and 35 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: I had news from my staff that were driving the 36 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: trucks that they were being attacked. The drivers fled from 37 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: the trucks and unfortunately one of them has lost his 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: eyesight because they were shot at and the glass went 39 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: directly into his eyes. So after this, I said that 40 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: we cannot keep receiving trucks coming in this way if 41 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: the Israeli authorities insist on it being so unsafe. 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: And then what happened to the aid on the trucks. 43 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: We eventually received our medical supplies into our hospital, but 44 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: it's not enough. 45 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: And since I'm confused here, so let me just clarify 46 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: with you. Was it Humas who was attacking your trucks 47 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: or was it the Israelis? 48 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: I have no idea who was attacking our truck. 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: Did anybody sees any of your aid? 50 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: No? Our aid luckily was left alone because the advantage, 51 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: I think is it's medical supplies and it's not food. 52 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: Okay, if it was, because you see this, this, I mean, 53 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: the story that you're telling me right now at least 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: opens up the possibility that maybe Trump is right that 55 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: Humas is taking some aid. 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: I have absolutely no evidence of that. And on the ground, 57 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: the coordination with me and in our medical facilities went 58 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: very well. All the challenges that we had and that 59 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: I had were with the Israeli authorities. 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: Okay, Claire, what's the solution here? Do I mean? Does this? 61 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean? I realized that even the ceasefire talks apparently 62 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: are hanging off this thing. Who needs to be in 63 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: charge of the aid to make sure everybody gets fit enough? 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: Well? The NGOs and the un are able to deliver 65 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: this aid safely. We know what we're doing. We have 66 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: trucks at the border and we're ready to do so. 67 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: Even if there is a temporary ceasefire, it will make 68 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: things worse. So we need a permanent ceasefire, and we 69 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: need for this to be happening now. 70 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: Claire, thank you for your time, Clear and Era Doctors 71 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: Without Borders. For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen 72 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, 73 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.