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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected. You stalk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: We've got the sports huddle with us after half past

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Speaker 3: five ahead of the weekend's sport We're starting up the

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Speaker 3: country's payments to the UN Agency in Gaza again after

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Speaker 3: those allegations being tied up with CAMAS. We're going to

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Speaker 3: speak to Helen Clark, former Prime Minister. Apparently the NCEEA

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Speaker 3: exam on reading includes deciphering memes. I know, we'll talk

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Speaker 3: to somebody about that. And also Martha from Baby Reindeer

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Speaker 3: is suing Netflix, so we'll go to California and find

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Speaker 3: out how strong her case is.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen.

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Speaker 3: The Australian change of heart on the five ozho ones

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Speaker 3: didn't last long very much do today and they flip

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Speaker 3: their position today They've issued a new directive. Now, what

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Speaker 3: this is going to do, essentially is it's going to

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Speaker 3: force decision makers when the decision makers are considering whether

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Speaker 3: to send a five ozho one back to New Zealand

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Speaker 3: or wherever else they now have to put more emphasis

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Speaker 3: previously they had to put emphasis on whether the person

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Speaker 3: actually had a connection to Australia. So basically, in a nutshell,

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Speaker 3: what it means is that we're probably going to go

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Speaker 3: back to the bad old days of the five Oho

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Speaker 3: ones arriving here. Who are the kind of person who

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Speaker 3: Two years old or something like that. Not our problem really,

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Speaker 3: but come in anyway, of course, the Aussie's had a

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Speaker 3: change of heart. This was always going to happen. There

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Speaker 3: was no way it was going to be a political

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Speaker 3: winner for anyone over there to keep Kiwi born bad

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Speaker 3: guys in New Zealand where they could just simply send

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Speaker 3: for allowing the bad Kiwis to stay in Aussie because

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Speaker 3: Justin asked him to. Now, thing is, I don't like

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Speaker 3: what's happened today. I'm really sad about what these criminals

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Speaker 3: in a long time in them certainly more sophisticated than

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Speaker 3: the bad guys we're used to in New Zealand. But

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Speaker 3: there is no point in crying about it or begging

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Speaker 3: This is the reality. We do it too. I mean,

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Speaker 3: just the other day we deported a guy back to

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Speaker 3: So we are doing exactly the same thing as the

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Speaker 3: nothing we can do to stop it. We've only got

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Speaker 3: one option available to us. If we really really want

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Speaker 3: to limit how much crime some of these guys fall

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Speaker 3: back into, we have got to spend money on our

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Speaker 3: I think they get something like a couple of nights

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Speaker 3: and then they're on their own. I mean, that's not

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Speaker 3: That's why very many of them fall back into crime.

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Speaker 3: If we really want to stop them from falling back

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Speaker 3: less than them heading into jail. We can only control

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Speaker 3: as proven by the reversal today.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two the text number and standard text fees supply.

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Speaker 3: It's ten past four now. An Auckland woman is urging

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Speaker 3: the government to regulate the retail supply of nitrous oxide,

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Speaker 3: which a lot of the young people know out there

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Speaker 3: petals with us Hey Shelpin Hi, how much of this

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Speaker 3: stuff would you have to suck in to lose feeling

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we have seen a really wide range. We've seen

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Speaker 3: Will the feeling and the leagues restore itself or.

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Speaker 5: Is that it?

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Speaker 4: We have been looking into this and following up our

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Speaker 4: far it looks like they're taking a very long time

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Speaker 4: quite a serious condition that can have long lasting consequences

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Speaker 3: How much of this are you seeing?

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Speaker 4: We we are seeing, you know, we're seeing presentations to

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Speaker 4: maybe others out there in the community with mild symptons

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Speaker 3: Now, Shelpin, I thought we had rules around this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I thought people shouldn't be an hailing it for a

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Speaker 4: I'm not super clued up on the exactly, just lashing,

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Speaker 4: but yes, I believe it is. It's I believe it's

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Speaker 4: illegal to well, it's not legal to sell it for

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Speaker 4: someone with the intent of been using it for inhalation

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Speaker 3: The apparently, did you realize? Apparently it works like this.

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Speaker 3: If you go to the dairy and you say, can

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Speaker 3: I have some of those well, I don't know what

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Speaker 3: you call them nangs, but I don't know anyway, pretty

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Speaker 3: probably not calling them maangs to the dairy guy, right,

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Speaker 3: because then he knows what you're up to. But if

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Speaker 3: you say you want some of the gas canists is

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Speaker 3: apparently he says what do you want them for? And

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Speaker 3: then you're supposed to say baking a cake and then

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Speaker 3: That's ridiculous, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's that's a concern for us. We're we're

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, explain something to me. Why are people using it?

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Speaker 3: Like I thought? Look, I was young ones right, and

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Speaker 3: I'll admit that I did it when I was young

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Speaker 4: You've got me there? But it appears to that people

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Speaker 4: repeated feeling of feeling high. The chemical itself doesn't appear

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Speaker 3: Is this basically is this laughing gas?

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 7: It is?

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Speaker 4: But laughing gas that's used in hospital is actually a

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Speaker 4: mixture mostly nitros oxide and some something out some of

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Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, Shelpin, thank you, I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: That's doctor Schulpin could tell Neurology Redstroyer Auckland City Hospital.

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Speaker 3: It seems to me the problem there is that the

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Speaker 3: But it was like my head, it was like everything

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand one give leap for

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Speaker 1: business use talk, si'd be.

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Speaker 3: Heather Dave Ltteally Hare spot On read the five oz ones,

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Speaker 3: invested the start to help them and then save our

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Speaker 3: communities down the line bang on Dave eighteen past five.

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Speaker 3: Jason Pine, winner of the Best Board Presenter at the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four Radio Awards, as the last a good.

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Speaker 7: Poney wow, well an intro. I think my entry was

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Speaker 7: actually based mainly on these chats we have every Friday.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, Piney, you're so full of nonsense. I can't believe you.

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Speaker 8: But you deserve it.

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Speaker 3: You do deserve it because your show is awesome. So

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Speaker 3: well done you, Hey, thank you. Super Rugby quarter Finals.

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Speaker 3: Any chance of an upset?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, let's see if I can give one of my

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Speaker 7: amazingly inaccurate predictions here. I don't think there is in

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Speaker 7: the Hurricanes or Blues games. I just can't see the

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Speaker 7: Rebels or the Fiji and Drew a beating either of

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Speaker 7: those two top teams tomorrow tonight. There's the possibility, excuse me,

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Speaker 7: of the Chiefs coming undone against the Reds. Ordinarily you'd

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Speaker 7: say Chiefs all day, all night, but the Reds have

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Speaker 7: beaten the Chiefs in New Zealand in the last couple

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Speaker 7: of seasons. That was in New Plumber last season and

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Speaker 7: they beat them over in Brisbane this season, so they're

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Speaker 7: a bit of a bogie team for the Chiefs. Having

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Speaker 7: said that, the Chiefs will probably put thirty on them,

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Speaker 7: and then tomorrow night it's Highlanders Rumbies. We'd love to

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Speaker 7: The Chiefs are playing as they all are. They're playing

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Speaker 3: The thing that I've gone.

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Speaker 3: Australia's and battled Immigration minister has introduced a new direction

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Speaker 3: And finally, honestly, I don't know if this is true

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Speaker 3: landlord doesn't want to ban Forarage from the pub, so

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Speaker 3: the staff have instead prepared a special glass to use

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Speaker 3: whenever he comes in, and before his beer is poured,

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Speaker 3: each staff member farts into the glass.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Dan Mitchinson, US correspondence with US Now, Hey Dan, hi, Heather.

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Speaker 3: I know, I don't know if it's true or not,

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Speaker 3: but it is a perfectly UK thing to do. Hey, hunter,

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Speaker 3: Biden's trial is pretty salacious, isn't it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, the prosecution. I guess this was the most

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Speaker 11: important witness against him is his sister in law, he

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Speaker 11: and girlfriend, which was Halle Biden, who testified today, and

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Speaker 11: she said that she believed that he was using all

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Speaker 11: kinds of drugs when she saw him back in October

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Speaker 11: of I think it was twenty eighteen, and how she

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Speaker 11: went out to his truck while he was asleep and

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Speaker 11: found the gun and drug paraphernalia and then you know,

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Speaker 11: the video has been shown all over the news today,

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Speaker 11: how she took it to a grocery store at a

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Speaker 11: little trash can there and threw it away in the

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Speaker 11: trash can and said, I just I was panicking.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do about this.

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Speaker 11: And also the other thing that was very interesting Joe

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Speaker 11: Biden releasing a statement. Now he's over in France for

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Speaker 11: D Day ceremonies, but he did say in a statement

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Speaker 11: that if his son is found guilty, he's not going

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Speaker 11: to pardon him.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, would he be expected to? I mean that

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be politically cool, would it.

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Speaker 11: No, it wouldn't but I think it's something that you know,

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Speaker 11: if you were a Donald Trump in office and it

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Speaker 11: was one of your children, I think a lot of

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Speaker 11: people over here would expect him to go ahead and

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Speaker 11: just do that and probably wouldn't think twice about it.

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Speaker 3: She also spoke about starting to smoke the crack cocaine herself,

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Speaker 3: didn't she.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah she did.

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Speaker 11: He was very wild and very very paranoid, and you know,

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Speaker 11: he was the one that kind of walked her down

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Speaker 11: that path and got her into using drugs as well.

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Speaker 11: And she said, you know, it was the most embarrassing

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Speaker 11: and hardest time of her life too.

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Speaker 3: Is she off it now?

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Speaker 2: She is?

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Speaker 3: I believe Is he off it now?

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Speaker 11: That's questionable depending on who you ask. I think he

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Speaker 11: would say yes. I think his dad would say yes.

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Speaker 11: I think there are others that you know, you look

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Speaker 11: at some videos and it's questionable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh do you reckon? Does he look like he's

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Speaker 3: on it? Sometimes?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes like yeah, yes? Sometimes?

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Speaker 3: What are the telltale signs?

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Speaker 12: Dan?

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Speaker 11: I think it's just how you see somebody acting like

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Speaker 11: when you see it yet very agitated, very wild, eyes

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Speaker 11: are very glassy. Yeah, there's just signs of it, and

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Speaker 11: you kind of assume that somebody's on something that they

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Speaker 11: normally wouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how embarrassing for Joe Bideny. Now Steve Bannon.

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Speaker 11: Off to jail on July the first, Yeah, which I

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Speaker 11: mean it's a four month prison sentence, and this is

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Speaker 11: for defying subpoenas from the January sixth Committee, and his

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Speaker 11: lawyers were arguing the sentence should be stayed until they

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Speaker 11: could appeal this to the Supreme Court. And as you

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Speaker 11: might imagine, any kind of delay would probably benefit, you know,

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Speaker 11: Steve Bannon. If Trump was elected president and decides, just

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Speaker 11: like he did on last day of his presidency in

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty one, to pardon Bannon on federal criminal charges,

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Speaker 11: but he's going to be serving time before any of

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Speaker 11: that can happen.

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Speaker 3: Dan, explain to me how the stuff works with the

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Speaker 3: ads on the hashtags on Twitter. So is it that

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Speaker 3: there are designated hashtags that Twitter will sell an ad

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Speaker 3: around every time that hashtags used, that ad will be

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Speaker 3: able to be around it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And what they're finding is that.

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Speaker 11: X Twitter, whatever you want to call it, has been

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Speaker 11: placing these ads in their search results with hashtags to

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Speaker 11: remote racist and anti semitic extremism. So you're finding things

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Speaker 11: like hashtag white power. And NBC did this investigation and

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Speaker 11: they found the advertisement by searching different hashtags, and there

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Speaker 11: were religious hatred and there was anti semitism, and they

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Speaker 11: don't know what extent. The people at X were aware

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Speaker 11: that the company was monetizing this. But X is saying, now, well, okay,

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Speaker 11: we're not disputing the findings. We've taken action on this

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Speaker 11: on a number of items. We're going to continue to

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Speaker 11: expand our approach as we need to. But I mean,

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Speaker 11: this is one of the things that Elon Musk has

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Speaker 11: come under fire force ands he's taken over, that there's

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Speaker 11: just not enough people keeping an eye on this and

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Speaker 11: who's giving the go ahead to monetize these things.

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Speaker 3: Were a very good point, actually, Dan, listen, thank you

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Speaker 3: very much, really appreciated. Go and enjoy your weekend. That's

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Speaker 3: Dan Mitchison, our US correspondent, just to remind it to

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Speaker 3: you because you've got a bit of time. But jeez, man,

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Speaker 3: I don't know about you. I need heaps of warning

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Speaker 3: for things nowadays. Time just so bloody busy. There is

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Speaker 3: a big lotto draw tomorrow night, and if you want

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Speaker 3: to be in to win, you need to go and

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Speaker 3: get yourself a ticket. It's fifty million bucks. This is

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Speaker 3: the biggest one we've ever had, and it's got to

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Speaker 3: go tomorrow. It's got to go. So anyway, I was

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Speaker 3: at the supermarket today, Douce. I was doing something righteous.

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Speaker 3: I was buying some Kiwi fruit for the vitamin sea content.

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Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, I done too much

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Speaker 3: good because I bought Kiwi fruit and bananas and also avocados.

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Speaker 3: I was like, there's too much goodness going on here

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Speaker 3: right now. I've got a balance's with some evil. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna gamble. So I went and bought myself a lotto ticket.

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Speaker 3: And I really don't understand how lotto works. So I

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Speaker 3: just pointed the one that's in the middle, which is

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Speaker 3: generally the twenty dollars one that's always in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the thing. I got that one. I'll at that one,

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Speaker 3: and so they gave it to me. And then while

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Speaker 3: I was there, I was like, oh, my mom bought me.

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Speaker 3: Because my mum's by bad influence. She's been teaching me

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Speaker 3: to gamble from wayback. She bought me some lotto tickets

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Speaker 3: months ago. So I said to them, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: can I just check this? Bingo? I want sixty nine dollars?

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Speaker 3: How about that? I'm up. Also, it did amuse me

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Speaker 3: that it was sixty nine dollars, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: like all of the numbers in the world to pack

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Speaker 3: doubled down on the evil there, didn't it? Quarter two.

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Speaker 2: With centrics credit check your customers and get payments?

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Speaker 3: Certainty Very Soper, senior political correspondence with US. Now, Hi, Barry,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon. Yeah, this has got a lot worse for

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Speaker 3: David MacLeod, like not unexpectedly.

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Speaker 13: No, it was the electoral Commission that filed with the

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Speaker 13: police to have a look at the undeclared donations, and

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Speaker 13: he was by far the wealthiest person standing in an

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Speaker 13: electorate when he got one hundred and seventy eight thousand

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Speaker 13: dollars in twenty twenty two. He claims he when he

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Speaker 13: filled out his form that he thought that you only

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Speaker 13: had to declare the donations from last year, from election year,

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Speaker 13: which to me, I just can't understand how anybody would

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Speaker 13: think that, I mean, the donations were for the election campaign,

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Speaker 13: and you know it's as plain as the nose on

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Speaker 13: your face. Really, He of course has been stripped from

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Speaker 13: both the Environmental and Finance Expenditure select Committees and that

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Speaker 13: Greenpeace take on this is interesting, Russell Norman. He put

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Speaker 13: out a statement a short while ago he said that

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Speaker 13: one of McLeod's undeclared donations came from a major shareholder

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Speaker 13: in the Sabard Mining Company TTR that may benefit significantly

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Speaker 13: from the fast Track Bill. Now he McLeod is in

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Speaker 13: charge of the fast Track Bill. So you know there's

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Speaker 13: a lot of questions again to be answered by David McLeod.

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Speaker 13: You can't just say, look, I forgot the police will have.

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Speaker 3: To answer the questions with the police boning.

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Speaker 13: Well, he will have to, yes, most certainly, I would

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Speaker 13: think be interviewed by the police.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so do you know whether the Maori Party have

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Speaker 3: now asked written to the Police Commissioner and the Police

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Speaker 3: Minister and the Prime Minister asking the police to investigate.

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Speaker 3: Can the police investigate off the back of that letter?

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Speaker 13: No, the Prime Minister can't direct the police north from

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Speaker 13: the Police Minister. Right, So the Maori Party for start,

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Speaker 13: they've got that wrong. You don't tell a politician to

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Speaker 13: interfere with what the police would be doing. But the

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Speaker 13: police have had a complaint and they can extend the

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Speaker 13: investigation beyond that complaint and look at exactly what's been

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Speaker 13: going on here. And I suspect given the public interest

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Speaker 13: in this, that's exactly what they would do.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 13: Essentially, I see Brian Tummockee has been dragged into this

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Speaker 13: and that, as you said, it was rather a weird

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Speaker 13: statement put out by John Tammaheady, who's the president of

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Speaker 13: the Maldi Party, and he said that essentially the message

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Speaker 13: to Brian Tummocky and Destiny is that you and your

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Speaker 13: cult were bounced out of the Mona ray Marai and

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Speaker 13: he said, we'll never allow your cult to take over

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Speaker 13: any mud. Now here's a helpful idea. Leave politics and

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Speaker 13: concentrate on bothering God and the devil and equal parts

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Speaker 13: and leave Maldy alone.

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Speaker 3: And that's what he said.

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Speaker 13: And leave Maldy alone.

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Speaker 3: He ends with he goes, oh to your cult members

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Speaker 3: who were to pps, right, because that was the p PPS.

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Speaker 3: To your cult members who were terminated at manyere women,

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Speaker 3: I shame on you. To their fearless money grinder, Alan Holts,

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Speaker 3: it's best to keep your power to drive for the

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Speaker 3: employment Tribunal Comma fool.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I know. I mean it's so obnoxious and the

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Speaker 13: whole the whole state from John Tommy Tommy Harry is rambling.

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Speaker 13: What they're saying though, is look put up the evidence.

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Speaker 13: If you haven't got the evidence, you know, keep your

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Speaker 13: trap shut.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 13: Now, now there's several agencies looking into this. They'll be

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Speaker 13: looking at evidence and I would imagine if any of

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Speaker 13: the census forms were copied, you won't see a sight

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Speaker 13: of them. They'll be well and truly shredded by now.

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Speaker 13: So I think he feels John Tammaherdy he's on fairly

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Speaker 13: comfortable ground by saying is show us the evidence?

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Speaker 3: Very What did you make of Chris Luxon saying he

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Speaker 3: hadn't had any heads from the Australians that this was

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Speaker 3: going to happen today read the deportations.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, terrible really, because both Chris Luxen and Winston Peters

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Speaker 13: had been talking to the Australians about this and the

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Speaker 13: indication from Alban Easy was that look, they'll be looking

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Speaker 13: at this again with fresh eyes, and then suddenly they

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Speaker 13: come out making it easier to deport Kiwi's from Australia.

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Speaker 13: And it got me thinking about one case that I

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Speaker 13: read about and it was an Australian grandfather who was

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Speaker 13: deported last December to New Zealand after decades of criminal offending.

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Speaker 13: But he said he had struggled in this country because

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Speaker 13: he was a baby in the nineteen sixties in New Zealand.

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Speaker 13: His parents were an Australian couple who happened to be

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Speaker 13: staying with somebody. They gave birth to this man who's

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Speaker 13: fifty seven and he was deported to New Zealand. He

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Speaker 13: was a bit of a He certainly got up to

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Speaker 13: a lot of trouble, there's no doubt about that. But again,

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Speaker 13: and I come back to it, where did he learn

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Speaker 13: all his bad habits?

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Speaker 3: Called responsibility political suicide for Alberta hold onto them?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, well it's dreadful. We call them our friends and

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Speaker 13: our cousins.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't, you wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to change their mind if we win them,

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Speaker 3: it's not going to change anything.

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Speaker 13: Well, we've winged at them, and I've got to say

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Speaker 13: I do and made some headway that they would look

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Speaker 13: at if they had lived there like this grandfather had,

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Speaker 13: they would take that into consideration. Now that's not taken

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Speaker 13: into consideration at all.

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Speaker 3: Because political blowback. All right, we'll have a chance, you

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Speaker 3: can thank you. We'll wrap the political week that was

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Speaker 3: again it called a pass six berry, so for senior

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Speaker 3: political correspondent.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 14: We've gotten the Tiger University study that's found there has

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Speaker 14: been an increase in the likelihood of patients being denied

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Speaker 14: specialist appointments. A Tiger University professor, Robin Gold was the

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Speaker 14: co author of this particular work, and is I think.

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Speaker 4: It's quite a bit we can do.

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Speaker 15: The new budget announced about five billion dollars.

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Speaker 16: Going into hospital people of service.

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Speaker 15: I think there's a good coptunity now of the new

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Speaker 15: government to allocate some of that money to read thee

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Speaker 15: to unmet need, and then they could be starting to

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Speaker 15: look at things like how do we get our hospital

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Speaker 15: specialist and our GPS together to form unmet knee's care teams.

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Speaker 15: So then come up with more innovations planks that one

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Speaker 15: that's announced to try and unblock the system and give

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Speaker 15: greater access to people.

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Speaker 14: Back Monday from six am, The Mike asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 14: Jaguit News.

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Speaker 3: Talk z B hither my wife's gone overboard. She's spent

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty dollars on lotto tickets for this weekend.

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked. But if one wins off, forgive her honestly,

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Speaker 3: then you'd at least expect and and win more than

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty bucks.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to just be winning like sixty nine,

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Speaker 3: because that's not that's absolutely not going to you. Still

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Speaker 3: set back on that, John Timmerhead his statement that Barry

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Speaker 3: was just referring to Yeah, he responded in exactly the

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Speaker 3: way that you would expect him to respond, which is

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Speaker 3: basically to say it's just racism. The headline for the

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Speaker 3: statement is from the party president, naughty Natives are at

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Speaker 3: it again. Then he writes the recent attacks onto Patimari

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Speaker 3: and it's the MP's are part of an continuing narrative

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Speaker 3: of attack on all that is Mary as usual, Maria

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Speaker 3: being used to scapegoats to Patsy Maria normalously endlessly attacked

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Speaker 3: and the matter is being made into a race debate

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Speaker 3: through no fault of our own. It must amuse our

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Speaker 3: people to watch a National Party MP and Taranaki hired

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty thousand dollars worth of expenditure allegedly

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Speaker 3: not reported and nothing happens, well something did happen today.

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Speaker 3: Just want to point you to this though, Willie Jackson

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Speaker 3: labor MP actually no, well deal, do you know what

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Speaker 3: we'll deal with. I want to save this for a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a longer chat about Willy Jackson because

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Speaker 3: I don't think it would do it a justice to

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Speaker 3: just quickly play this to you without any explanation of

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Speaker 3: why it's important. So Willie Jackson lately. We're going to

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Speaker 3: deal with Willie Jackson later on, but first Murray Olds

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Speaker 3: on the deportation issue, and then after that Halen Clark

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Speaker 3: on whether we should be starting up the funding again

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Speaker 3: for UNRA. What's a bit, she says, yes. News Talk zplat.

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Speaker 13: When you're on a bed.

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Speaker 2: Crazy Yang maw.

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Speaker 12: A thanabou.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and.

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Speaker 2: Give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to Clan drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as.

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Speaker 2: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Australia is renegging on its agreement not to

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Speaker 3: deport Kiwis who've largely lived their lives in Australia. The

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Speaker 3: Aussie Immigration Minister Andrew Giles is replacing the so called

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Speaker 3: Direction ninety nine, which considered a deporty's ties to Australia

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Speaker 3: before okaying the deportation. It's now going to be replaced

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Speaker 3: with Direction one one zero, which puts more emphasis on

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Speaker 3: protecting the Australian community. He says non citizens with a

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Speaker 3: history of family or sexual violence should be deported even

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Speaker 3: if they have lived most of their lives in Australia,

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Speaker 3: and he was asked what New Zealand's response to this

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Speaker 3: has been.

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Speaker 9: My concern is to act in the national interest. I

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Speaker 9: telephoned as I told the Parliament the Deputy Prime Minister

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Speaker 9: Winston Peters to tell him about our intention to put

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Speaker 9: in place a new revised direction to ensure that the

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Speaker 9: principles of common sense and the protection of the Australian

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Speaker 9: community or paramount when it came to these conditions.

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Speaker 3: Mario old Is our Aussie correspondent, hemas very good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Do you have that this is basically going back to

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Speaker 3: the way it was, isn't it? Anyone with a sniff

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Speaker 3: of a connection to New Zealand has come in this way?

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 17: And you know, I mean that came in under Scott Morrison,

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Speaker 17: maybe even you know, Tony Abbott or whatever. The revolving

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Speaker 17: door of Liberal prime ministers was in the nine years

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Speaker 17: before Albanezy got in. But Labor fair and square, I mean,

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Speaker 17: honest to god, this is politics one oh one and

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Speaker 17: Labour's only got.

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Speaker 8: Itself to blame, Heather. It introduced Direction ninety nine.

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Speaker 17: As you say, on the back of that promise between

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Speaker 17: alban Easy and Jacinda Adern.

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Speaker 8: Yes, New Zealand.

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Speaker 17: Would not be copying all these Aussie grown criminals. The

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Speaker 17: fact that New Zealand citizens came here as a BA

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Speaker 17: or you know, two or three years old, they've grown

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Speaker 17: up in Australia and become criminals here.

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Speaker 8: Why isn't New Zealand's problem.

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Speaker 17: Adirn had a very good point and Albanezi agreed with that,

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Speaker 17: and so that's where Direction ninety nine came in. I mean,

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Speaker 17: it's just all welly in its dreadful sort of language. Okay,

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Speaker 17: So under Direction ninety nine, the primary consideration for the

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Speaker 17: Administrative Appeals Tribunal, that's the body of public servants set

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Speaker 17: up to look at this issue. Are you going to

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Speaker 17: be deported or are you not, and let's be you know, honestly,

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Speaker 17: it's not about parking tickets we're talking about here here,

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Speaker 17: we're talking about serious criminals, rapists, child sex abuses, murderers.

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Speaker 8: For God's sake, these are the.

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Speaker 17: People that Australia doesn't want here where we're going to

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Speaker 17: take them.

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Speaker 8: We're going to send them back to New Zealand under

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Speaker 8: this new one.

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Speaker 17: And the government has just been getting kicked from pillar

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Speaker 17: to post for the last fortnight, three weeks over this

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Speaker 17: ridiculous direction ninety nine. How they get themselves out of

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Speaker 17: this hole with with Wellington, I'm not sure, but politically

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Speaker 17: they just could not continue like this because poor old

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Speaker 17: Andrew Giles is sitting up there like some Punch and

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Speaker 17: Judy show, and Peter Dutton's got the great big bat.

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Speaker 3: Is Jarle's going to keep his job?

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Speaker 8: Or is he?

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Speaker 3: Dog Tucker?

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Speaker 8: Mate? Look, here's the thing.

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Speaker 17: Apparently I didn't realize this until this whole thing blew up,

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Speaker 17: but apparently Andrew Giles, and Andrew and Anthony Albanizi are besties.

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Speaker 17: They go back, way way way back, and they are

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Speaker 17: from the same political faction. I understand. That's what I

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Speaker 17: read this week anyway. I mean, to be honest, I've

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Speaker 17: never heard of Andrew Giles. He's just one of these

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Speaker 17: anonymous front benchers who every government is stacked with. They

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Speaker 17: don't do very much, or whether they don't sort of

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Speaker 17: make too many headlines. And so he's there sort of

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Speaker 17: stumbling and bumbling through this portfolio. He just looked like

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Speaker 17: an absolutely hopeless dolt out of his death and so

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Speaker 17: whether or not Albanize, he's got him in the back

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Speaker 17: room with a rubber hose and said, mate, you've got

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Speaker 17: to sort this out. So now we have Direction ninety

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Speaker 17: nine replaced with Direction one, dred and ten.

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Speaker 3: Just tell me what it mean. You tell me, just

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Speaker 3: really quickly. Is it retrospective? Is this going to apply

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Speaker 3: to the people who've already been spared deportation under Direction

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Speaker 3: ninety nine.

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Speaker 17: No, it's not, because Giles has used one hundred and

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Speaker 17: ten to recancel the viasas of thirty five non citizens

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Speaker 17: whose cancelations were overturned. Right, Yeah, so those thirty five

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Speaker 17: who actually appealed successfully appealed heither to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.

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Speaker 17: Oh listen, I've got a very strong tie to the

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Speaker 17: Australian community. I might have an Australian wife, might have

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Speaker 17: Australian children, might of Australian family connections that go back

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Speaker 17: thirty forty fifty years. I only came over from New

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Speaker 17: Zealand when I was six months old. The government now

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Speaker 17: is bowing to the political inevitability of all of this.

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Speaker 17: It says, okay, sorry, you're not a citizen back you

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Speaker 17: go to New Zealand.

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Speaker 8: How that's going to go down?

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Speaker 17: And well think and I don't know, but by the

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Speaker 17: way over here and now you've got forty legal civil

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Speaker 17: society human rights groups are.

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Speaker 8: Saying, oh Didhams did THEMS?

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Speaker 17: It's far too harsh politically, the government's had no choice made.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I totally agru with you, Mars, thank you

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Speaker 3: as always, Marry Old's Australia cross on it.

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Speaker 2: Hever du for see Ellen.

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Speaker 3: The government will spend a million send a million dollars

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Speaker 3: rather to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency and

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Speaker 3: GAZA in the coming days. Our annual donation was put

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Speaker 3: on hold. You may recall after several several UN employees

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Speaker 3: were accused by Israel of participating in Hamas's attacks in October.

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Speaker 3: The UN has investigated found no evidence to back those

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Speaker 3: claims up. Former Prime Minister and former head of the

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Speaker 3: UN Development Agency Helen Clark is with us now, Alan Hi,

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Speaker 3: there have before we get into this on Direction ninety

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Speaker 3: nine are now replaced by Direction one one zero. Is

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Speaker 3: there anything we can do to stop these deputies coming?

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Speaker 18: Well, I think it's really outrageous, isn't it. I think

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Speaker 18: there was an agreement that those who had really spent

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Speaker 18: the substantial part of their lives in Australia and to

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Speaker 18: all intensive purposes for Australia and shouldn't be deported here.

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Speaker 18: And it looks like political panics overturned that. I did

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Speaker 18: hear Chris Laxon earlier in the day saying that they

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Speaker 18: had registered our concern as a country with this training government.

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Speaker 18: This is all politics. You know, they're running up to

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Speaker 18: a close election as a person the next year or so,

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Speaker 18: and it's easy to beat upon people with his Zealand

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Speaker 18: citizenship born here who've committed her crime but to all

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Speaker 18: intensive purposes Australia has raised these people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think it's right, but I mean it's

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Speaker 3: being suggested that maybe what we should do is revoke

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Speaker 3: their citizenship. They will be left therefore with none, is

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Speaker 3: that even possible.

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Speaker 18: Well, here's where I think international law comes in that,

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Speaker 18: or even our own law. To take away citizenship when

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Speaker 18: people don't have an alternative citizenship is quite a big issue.

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Speaker 18: Remember you and I have discussed this with respect to

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Speaker 18: that young woman who was groomed and recruited by Isis

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Speaker 18: and the British government revoked her citizenship and said she's

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Speaker 18: entitled the Bangladesh citizenship. Now the banks I think said

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Speaker 18: she wasn't. But she's in effect being left to stateless person.

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Speaker 18: So we revoke the citizenship of these people they want

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Speaker 18: to deport. The Aussies aren't going to give them citizenship,

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Speaker 18: so we make them stateless people. And I think there's

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Speaker 18: probably some international convention that we're Party two that wouldn't

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Speaker 18: commit that.

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Speaker 3: Probably it sounds like there would be. Hey on Unra,

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Speaker 3: does it sound to you like Israel just never ponied

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Speaker 3: up the evidence to back up their claims.

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Speaker 18: That's right, mered the whole organization, but then when asked,

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Speaker 18: persistently asked to give evidence and never fronted up with it.

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Speaker 18: So there was this inquiry conducted by a former French

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Speaker 18: Foreign Minister for the Secretary general. She drew on expert

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Speaker 18: research institutes and other institutes in the Scandinavian countries. They

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Speaker 18: actually said that had better procedures to ensure political neutrality

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Speaker 18: than any other UN organization or the NGOs that they

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Speaker 18: could find. So they had to conclude Israel castes completely

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Speaker 18: unproven and they never provided any evidence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so as a result, well, can we have

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Speaker 3: confidence that they are completely independent from hummus?

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Speaker 18: Well, what I've said before employee to you, and we've

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Speaker 18: discussed it is Look, every big barrel of apples will

883
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Speaker 18: have a bad one somewhere, but to smear a whole

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Speaker 18: organization through the actions of a very few people is

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Speaker 18: quite wrong. And the inquiry found that they do go

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Speaker 18: to growth lengths to ensure the staff athletics they're neutral.

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Speaker 18: They also every year in Israel lists of their employees

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Speaker 18: for betting. And get this, Heather, Israel has not expressed

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Speaker 18: concern about any of the employees since twenty eleven and

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Speaker 18: those lists have gone to it.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Hey, Helen, thank you as always, really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Auckland Ever due for see Ellen nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Past five could you still pass an NCEEA literacy exam

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Speaker 3: on reading if you had to break down the underlying

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Speaker 3: meaning of memes? Do you even know what a meme is?

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Speaker 3: I know, right, this is exactly what we're asking of

916
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Speaker 3: the year ten students as part of their exam. The

917
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Speaker 3: question our students to read four memes and discuss which

918
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Speaker 3: two had the most similar underlying meanings. Doctor Julie Debris

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Speaker 3: is a socio linguist and with us.

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Speaker 7: Now, hey, Julia, good evening.

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Speaker 3: Are you into this?

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Speaker 6: Am I into it?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I love it. I think I was extremely surprised and

925
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Speaker 6: I would say delighted by its development in the exam,

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Speaker 6: especially in the week when we have the government telling

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Speaker 6: young people that they're going to have to be, you know,

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Speaker 6: learning Shakespeare and Chaucer and Dante, and at the same

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Speaker 6: time in an exam they're being asked to analyze me

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Speaker 6: the contrasts I think quite poetic.

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Speaker 3: But it's a reading exam. We're asking them to look

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Speaker 3: at a picture that doesn't feel right. Shouldn't we any

933
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Speaker 3: be asking them to read something in a reading exam?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think there probably were a several questions.

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Speaker 6: I haven't seen the exam. I've just heard about it

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Speaker 6: from some of the young people who did it. But

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Speaker 6: I think that you can think of memes as being

938
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Speaker 6: a kind of you know, there's a history that goes

939
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Speaker 6: back from means towards things like analyzing advertisements that I

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Speaker 6: remember doing in the nineties at high school, the static

941
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Speaker 6: images they called them at that time, analyzing political cartoons.

942
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Speaker 6: There's kind of a whole range of genres of text

943
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Speaker 6: plus image that have been around for a while, and

944
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Speaker 6: I think a really important part of our of our

945
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Speaker 6: everyday life.

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Speaker 3: No memes have not all memes have text, do they?

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Speaker 6: I think? Well, indeed is the question about what even

948
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Speaker 6: is a meme. I think a lot of us think

949
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Speaker 6: of memes as involving an image with text overlaid. That's

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Speaker 6: kind of the prototypical example. But memes can also be

951
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Speaker 6: on TikTok, they can be a video, they can Yeah,

952
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Speaker 6: usually there is a combination of language plus visuals. But

953
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Speaker 6: apparently the key feature of you know, to really define

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Speaker 6: a meme is just that it's it's digital, and it's

955
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Speaker 6: designed to be shared and kind of adapted and move

956
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Speaker 6: around in that kind of viral way.

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Speaker 3: We're not just doing this to help out the kids,

958
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Speaker 3: who are really struggling with reading by just giving them

959
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Speaker 3: some pictures, are.

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Speaker 6: We Well, no, yeah, that's interesting because I do think

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Speaker 6: that there have been different reactions to this exam and

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Speaker 6: I would say that I've seen about three different reactions.

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Speaker 6: These ones like my kids was like, oh, yeah, totally normal.

964
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Speaker 6: That's part of our life. So she didn't find it

965
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Speaker 6: odd at all. One of her friends is, you know,

966
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Speaker 6: it's a fourteen year old who's saying, what is this

967
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Speaker 6: dumbed down stuff that we're being taught at school? You know,

968
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Speaker 6: Sofia is a seen so which some kids do feel

969
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Speaker 6: this isn't prop up stuff we should be learning at school.

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Speaker 6: For me, I have a third perspect where yes, I

971
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Speaker 6: am surprised, but I also think, wow, this is really

972
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Speaker 6: interesting and I think youthful. I think that means learning

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Speaker 6: to understand and use means is actually a really important

974
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Speaker 6: part of our digital literacy these days, Julia, and something

975
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Speaker 6: that you need to learn that's actually quite hard to

976
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Speaker 6: read a meme. I think of it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I still don't know what half of them mean.

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Speaker 3: It's really good to talk to you, doctor, Julia Debress.

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Speaker 3: Socio linguists. I told you at the start of the

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Speaker 3: program The real life Baby matha baby reindeer. Martha the

981
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Speaker 3: Stalker is suing Netflix for one hundred and seventy million dollars.

982
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Speaker 3: She's fatherless in a court in California. We're going to

983
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Speaker 3: speak to a Californian lawyer about it after half past

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Speaker 3: five five twenty two.

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 1: He a duples ce Alan drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: It's coming up twenty five past five. Listen in one

989
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Speaker 3: of the smarter moves to reform Super Rugby, which I

990
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Speaker 3: think you and I would agree is desperately needed. The

991
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: rugby bosses are apparently considering making some really big changes

992
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: to the playoffs next year. Now at the moment, how

993
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: the competition works, as there are twelve teams in the

994
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Speaker 3: Super Rugby comp eight of them advanced to the finals.

995
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. There's two thirds of them, that's stupid. We

996
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Speaker 3: had the situation this year with the Crusaders only won

997
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Speaker 3: four games, but we're still in contention for a possible

998
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Speaker 3: top eight position. I mean, that hardly makes the top

999
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Speaker 3: eight playoffs something worth watching, doesn't It also throws up

1000
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Speaker 3: the potentially really dumb situation where if the Crusaders were

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Speaker 3: to have made it into the top eight, they would

1002
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Speaker 3: have then played there would have been eighth position, which

1003
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Speaker 3: would have meant they would have played the top ranked team,

1004
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Speaker 3: right and if they had a great game, which the

1005
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Speaker 3: Crusaders can do from time to time, they could have

1006
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Speaker 3: knocked the top ranked team out. That is ridiculous to

1007
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Speaker 3: have a team doing as badly as the Crusaders suddenly

1008
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Speaker 3: knock out a team that has consistently been the best

1009
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Speaker 3: all the way through the season. It's not the first

1010
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Speaker 3: time something as dumb as this has happened. I mean,

1011
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: two years ago the Highland has made it in after

1012
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Speaker 3: winning only four games. As well, last year the Reds

1013
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: made it in with only five wins. This year the

1014
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Speaker 3: Melbourne Rebels got the eighth position, also with five wins,

1015
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Speaker 3: and that was after they went they went in with

1016
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Speaker 3: six straight losses. The problem with this, as I was

1017
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Speaker 3: just saying, is it hardly makes the top eight something special,

1018
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Speaker 3: but it also actually makes the whole competition not special,

1019
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: because if you can lose all of your games bar

1020
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Speaker 3: four and still make it into the playoffs, then why

1021
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 3: would I watch you do that? Why would I watch

1022
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Speaker 3: the whole season? If I really had to watch any

1023
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Speaker 3: of it, and I don't, I would probably just tune

1024
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Speaker 3: in for the last bit right. To replace the top eight,

1025
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Speaker 3: this is what they're thinking of. To replace the top eight.

1026
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Speaker 3: The bosses are considering either a top six or a

1027
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Speaker 3: conference system where the Kiwi teams all play each other

1028
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Speaker 3: and then the top I don't know. Let's say two

1029
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Speaker 3: advance to the finals, and the Aussies all play each other,

1030
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Speaker 3: and their top teams also then advance to the finals,

1031
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Speaker 3: and they play a series of little finals games there.

1032
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Speaker 3: I have no preference. I have no preference as to

1033
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Speaker 3: whether they just go for a smaller playoffs or if

1034
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: they go for a conference system. Either of them sounds

1035
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: better than the status quo, which frankly at the moment

1036
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: is too much rugby that means absolutely nothing. Good on them,

1037
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Speaker 3: and I'll give them a round of applause with this.

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Speaker 3: Good on them for realizing that something's got to change.

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Speaker 2: There, Heather, due to cl Heather, our kids.

1040
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Speaker 3: Need to learn reading, writing, arithmetic, and not this other

1041
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: BS stuff. Heather. Isn't it contradictory to ask about memes

1042
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: when they're not even allowed phones at school anymore. Here

1043
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: the memes are not learning. Stop caving into lazy students.

1044
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: This is BS. I'm leaving New Zealand, which is quite

1045
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 3: it's quite extreme to leave over the memes, isn't it? Memes? Ffs,

1046
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: We're a dumb country. I would agree with that entirely.

1047
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Speaker 3: I don't. It's just not reading right. If you want

1048
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: to do this kind of interpretation course or like I

1049
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 3: don't know, some sort of graphic design or I really

1050
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 3: don't know what course, you just set up another course.

1051
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Speaker 3: Just be like, hey, you can do a looking at picture's.

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Speaker 19: Course Media studies, Heather, surely this is what media studies are.

1053
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Speaker 3: Thank you. I knew we had you on the show

1054
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: for a reason. Media studies. Go do your media studies

1055
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 3: course anyway, and say that, Go and look at this meme. Okay,

1056
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Speaker 3: there's a meme. What's it called? Ant's New Zealand Italy.

1057
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Speaker 19: New Zealand and Italy reversed or backwards.

1058
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Speaker 3: New Zealand Italy reversed backwards meme where you flip New

1059
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Speaker 3: Zealand around and then it fits over Italy. Who cares?

1060
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: Headline's next?

1061
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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home, hither duper c Allen

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talk

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Speaker 2: O.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I've got some good news, full of good news

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Speaker 3: for today. Petrol prices are now the interest rates the

1068
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: good news is on the interest rate front that A

1069
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Speaker 3: and Z which has been an absolute negative Ninny about

1070
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Speaker 3: the interest rates. Remember these were the ones who were like,

1071
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 3: NAT's going up to six percent. Everybody else was like

1072
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Speaker 3: is it though, They're like, yep, they have just decided no. No,

1073
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Speaker 3: The next move is a cut. And they were saying

1074
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: originally the cut was going to be in May. Now

1075
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 3: they say the cut's going to be in February. Thank god.

1076
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Speaker 3: I'm on board for that. If they want to revise

1077
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 3: that even in November, I'd be absolutely fine with that. Anyway,

1078
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Speaker 3: Sharon's it will be with us after six o'clock to

1079
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Speaker 3: talk us through that. Also, the Sports Huddle is standing

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Speaker 3: by Heather. So is fourteen teams in the NRL and

1081
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Speaker 3: a top eight okay, well, a top eight out of

1082
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Speaker 3: fourteen is surely better than a top eight out of eleven,

1083
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Speaker 3: which is what the super Rugby thing is going to

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Speaker 3: be next year, it's only going to be eleven squads

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Speaker 3: because the rebels got a bit the dust. What about

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Speaker 3: I would say top eight out of fourteen is probably

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Speaker 3: the equivalent of a top six out of eleven, wouldn't

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Speaker 3: you sayings like there or thereabouts? Heather? Please remember you'll

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Speaker 3: talk on the twentieth of the fifth. Geeze, somebody's keeping dates,

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Speaker 3: and remember to leave our game alone. Thank you, Trev.

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Speaker 3: On the twentieth of the fifth, it must have been

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Speaker 3: the day that I said I would no longer watch

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Speaker 3: any more Super Rugby. That's what I promised, Trev. I

1094
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 3: promised no more watching Super Rugby. That I did not

1095
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 3: promise no more opinions on Super Rugby. I've got a

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Speaker 3: whole lot of those still coming at you. Twenty three

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Speaker 3: away from.

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Speaker 2: Six, Heather duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: There are seventeen teams in the NRL, says ants in

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Speaker 3: my ear. So, whoever text fourteen, you're wrong. Thank you

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00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: for that Answerdony strengthens my argument. The real life Martha

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Speaker 3: from Baby Reindeer is suing Netflix for one hundred and

1103
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: seventy million dollars now she reckons the Netflix show defamed

1104
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: her by claiming that she committed sexual assault, that she

1105
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 3: was twice convicted of stalking, in that she spent time

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Speaker 3: in jail as well. Joseph Tully is a criminal defense

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00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: attorney and legal author based in San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Joseph, Hello, do you reckon?

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00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 3: She's got a case?

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Speaker 12: Ah? Boy, wow?

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00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 7: I do?

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00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 20: I mean it's the defense by Netflix will be the

1113
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 20: truth that they told the truth, and so we're going

1114
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 20: to have a real life drama play out before our

1115
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 20: eyes if the case ever goes to court.

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00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: But she they have to prove that they told the truth, right,

1117
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: And it seems to me that the allegation that is

1118
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: the difficult one at the stage is that she was

1119
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 3: a twice convicted stalker and that she'd been to jail,

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Speaker 3: And as far as we know, there's no evidence publicly

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Speaker 3: that that is true.

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Speaker 12: Right, correct?

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Speaker 20: Although there is some evidence that she had been that

1124
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 20: she did have some legal trouble before for but what

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00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 20: the extent of it was really hasn't been really hasn't

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00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 20: come to light thus far.

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00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 3: Do Netflix have a case that they did everything within

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Speaker 3: their power to keep her identity secret and it was

1129
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: out of their control that the Internet managed to uncover her?

1130
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Speaker 20: I don't think so, as you said, the Internet managed

1131
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 20: to uncover her, and it.

1132
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: Did so quite quickly.

1133
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 20: So any defense that they might try to use of, well,

1134
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 20: we hit her identity that you know, we hit that

1135
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 20: as best as we could. We hit it to you know,

1136
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 20: the legal professional standard I think will fall flat because

1137
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 20: you know, the proof is in the pudding. The Internet

1138
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 20: basically docksed her in no time flat.

1139
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is tricky then, isn't it. For

1140
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: anybody who wants to make some sort of documentary or

1141
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 3: some sort of TV series like this and keep somebody anonymous,

1142
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 3: They're going to have to go to quite extreme links

1143
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: to hide the identity in the future, aren't they correct.

1144
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 20: I mean we're seeing the human intelligence come together in

1145
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 20: the form of the Internet. I mean, Twitter can be

1146
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 20: a force for good, you know, if we just set

1147
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 20: our minds to it. And I think this is an

1148
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 20: example of the power of the Internet and the power

1149
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 20: of our collective intelligence being focused on a single point,

1150
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 20: a single fact. And yeah, it really is. This is

1151
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 20: going to be an extraordinary trial, Like I said, when

1152
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 20: it gets to trial, or if it gets to a courtroom.

1153
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 3: Joseph fifty million bucks in a California court Is that plausible.

1154
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 20: It very much is, Yes, very much so. If the

1155
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 20: plaintiff were to prevail, she can prove all the elements

1156
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 20: of everything. In other words, if she manages to prove

1157
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 20: that that or defeat Netflame Netflix's defense of that. Hey,

1158
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 20: this is the truth, she will certainly be owe damages.

1159
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 20: And I don't think this be on the pail at

1160
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 20: all of fifty million dollars.

1161
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: Interesting, hey, Joseph, Thanks very much. Joseph Tully, criminal defense

1162
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: attorney and legal author based in San Francisco.

1163
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty

1164
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: unparalleled reach had results.

1165
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 3: Because you're wrong, I have the rate to finish my

1166
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 3: swing if he calls mine. She's right, by the way,

1167
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 3: Clark is right.

1168
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 21: It's easy to say fancentric, but the reality is what

1169
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 21: do we do in a tangible sense to make this

1170
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 21: competition more appealing, more rivalls, more thumbs on seats.

1171
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 4: That's a humbling moment from my family and farmers pormas.

1172
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm still trying.

1173
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 7: To pinch myself.

1174
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Speaker 3: On the sportshuddle with us this evening, we have Andrew Gordy,

1175
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: News Hub sports presenter and Matt Brown Oceania Football Confederation

1176
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 3: media manager lads. Hello do you Gordy? Hello Gordy, what's

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00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: your preference? Would you like? This is for the playoffs

1178
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 3: in Super Rugby? Would you like a conference style playoff

1179
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: or would you just like a top six either?

1180
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 16: I think we can all agree that the biggest problem

1181
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 16: with the Super Rugid playoffs this year is that the

1182
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 16: Crusaders art and it so I think any system that

1183
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 16: moves to somewhere that you know the Crusaders can finish

1184
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 16: last but still being the playoffs will be bet than

1185
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 16: un joking obviously, I'd prefer to have a top six,

1186
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 16: give the top two a week off, have to have

1187
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 16: three through sex playoff and then have a semi.

1188
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 3: Five is still too many, Gordia. I mean, should we

1189
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: maybe be thinking about four?

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00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 16: We've kind but I don't think that the competition bosses

1191
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 16: will agree with you there. They'd like to eke an

1192
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 16: extra week out of the bit more money if you've

1193
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 16: want hump on teat that.

1194
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 15: Sort of thing.

1195
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon that?

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00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 5: I agree with Andrew is six out of the eleven teams.

1197
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 5: I mean it's you know, three at home to six,

1198
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 5: four at home to five and then the semi finalcy

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Speaker 5: of three weeks of playoffs. That's about right. There'll obviously

1200
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 5: be a by dream of competition for teams with the

1201
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 5: round with the mag Rebels not being there uneven numbers,

1202
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 5: so maybe we can reduce the amount of weeks that

1203
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 5: the all blacks are given off from the competition to

1204
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 5: so it might be not being a good thing. You know. Personally,

1205
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 5: I think less is more and I'd probably want to

1206
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 5: see a Super ten and have more quality rather than

1207
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 5: some of the rubbish we got off at fints this year.

1208
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 5: I think year the top few teams, sure this real quality,

1209
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 5: but that it is what it is, and it's going

1210
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 5: to be eleven next year and it's probably going to

1211
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 5: be a little bit messy. But the other thing they

1212
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 5: take into account to is actual length of the competition,

1213
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 5: the amount of weeks they've got. You can't have a

1214
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 5: full home and away for example, which is you know,

1215
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 5: maybe a shame of a league format. Home and away

1216
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 5: would be quite a good way to do it, I

1217
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 5: think anyway, Gordy.

1218
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: Hasn't Matt just struck on the actual problem with Super Rugby, right.

1219
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 3: Super Rugby was sold to us as a super competition

1220
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: like it was the best of the best. It was

1221
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 3: going to be Rugby on steroids. Actually, a lot of

1222
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 3: it is crap, a lot of.

1223
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 16: It is prep and it's because it's got an uneven competition.

1224
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 16: And the only way to fact that is to allow

1225
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 16: freedom of movements between all of the franchises, so you

1226
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 16: level out the competition. Unfortunately, that's probably going to mean

1227
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 16: allowing all blacks to play for Australian teams things like that,

1228
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 16: But that's actually got If you improve the quality of

1229
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 16: the competition right across the board, more people are going

1230
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,479
Speaker 16: to watch it. You're going to get more people coming

1231
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 16: to games, and that's only going to improve the competition

1232
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 16: and get more made from broadcasters, all of those sorts

1233
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 16: of things that can only be a positive.

1234
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you speak some sense there, Matt. How do you

1235
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: feel about video reefing and tennis? Do we need more

1236
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 3: of this? Do we actually need to introduce them?

1237
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 5: No? Quite, simply no. Now look, we've already we've already

1238
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 5: got the line judgets being replaced by the Hawkaye technology

1239
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 5: now so, and for the most part, I think it works.

1240
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 5: In tennis, there is the odd call and you tend

1241
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 5: to get it more on the clay with the marks

1242
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 5: which there always used to have, you know, the ballmark

1243
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 5: before they introduced it, and hence you know, we had

1244
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 5: the Coco golf incident yesterday. But overall, no, I think

1245
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 5: that would just slow the game down so much more.

1246
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 5: And we've seen what it's done to other sports and footballer.

1247
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 5: I mean in some countries want you know, want VA

1248
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 5: want to scrap VAA. It's already happened, I think in

1249
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 5: Scandinavia and Sweden, and I know the English clubs voted

1250
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 5: to keep it, but I still think we should keep

1251
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 5: it bat and needs to be refined and better and quicker.

1252
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gordy, what did you are? You're a football fan,

1253
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: aren't you.

1254
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 16: I am a huge football fan, and I've really gone

1255
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 16: backwards and floords on this particular issue right throughout the

1256
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 16: afternoon because at the end of the day, any sport,

1257
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 16: no matter what sport we're talking about, sport is an

1258
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 16: entertainment product, right, and there was something entertaining about Coco

1259
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 16: God having an argument with the chair umpire, right. Yeah,

1260
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 16: it gives us a point of conversation. Now if you

1261
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 16: eliminate that from sport, yes, you're going to get the

1262
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 16: extra calls, but are we going to be as entertained

1263
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 16: as we previously were? Matt Ras is a very very

1264
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 16: valid point about var in particular in football. It has

1265
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 16: slowed the game right down, and we hate what it's

1266
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 16: done to football, but hasn't actually turned anyone away from football.

1267
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 16: I'm not sure that it has. They're all still there,

1268
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 16: they're all still watching. So yeah, I'm a bit fifty

1269
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 16: fifty to be honest about the introduction of technology into

1270
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 16: any sport, and tennis would be a big one. It

1271
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 16: would be a huge change. I think tennis. If you're

1272
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 16: going to hold a gun to my head, I think

1273
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 16: I'd still rather have the chaerity.

1274
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 3: Well, Gordy, maybe this will solve it for you. From

1275
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 3: what I can see, it doesn't. Introducing video into tennis

1276
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: would not have solved Coco Goff's problem, right, because what

1277
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: happened was the ball came towards her landed, was called out,

1278
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 3: and because it was called out, she returned served like

1279
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 3: really lazily, right, and then it was called in afterwards.

1280
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 3: She should have because it was called out, she should

1281
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: have been allowed to continue her serve the way it

1282
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 3: was and it should have just stood.

1283
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 13: Right.

1284
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: Video reffing will not have changed that situation.

1285
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 16: Now I'm not sure why. It depends on how you

1286
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 16: apply the rules, and you know that's part of the

1287
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 16: problem I think we've got with you know, rugby in particular,

1288
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 16: but also in our Arouland football. There's a sort of

1289
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 16: a statute of limitations almost about what were video can

1290
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 16: be applied and where it can't. So that would have

1291
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 16: to be something that tennis officials would have to consider.

1292
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 16: But I've got to say our side with Coco on this.

1293
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 16: It should have been replating interesting.

1294
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, we'll take a break. Come back to you

1295
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: shortly fourteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Friday's Sports title with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back of the sports Hudle Matt Brown Andrew

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Speaker 3: Gordy Speaking of the football, Matt, do you reckon Alex

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Speaker 3: Paulson being signed by Bournemouth. Bournemouth in the EPL is

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Speaker 3: going to make a whole bunch of kids in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand just dream big and go hard at playing football.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Look, the EPL is the be all and endo

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Speaker 5: or I think as far as most key we kids

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Speaker 5: are partly due to their parents. I'm know different. My

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Speaker 5: son is addicted to watching Liverpool, for example, and so

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Speaker 5: if he plays born Myth Borne Myuth in the Premier

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Speaker 5: League and actually gets starts and becomes the first team keeper,

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Speaker 5: just like Kiwi's love to see Chris Wood and they

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Speaker 5: go gaga when he comes down to New Zealand and

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Speaker 5: just played for Norway. Same thing back before him, Ryan

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Speaker 5: Nelson when he was at Blackburn and Spurs Winston Reed

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Speaker 5: at west Ham. The Premier League is everything. In fact,

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Speaker 5: a lot of our players are playing in Europe and

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Speaker 5: yet they are not necessarily getting to say they're not well,

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Speaker 5: they're not getting the same exposure despite you know, Liby

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Speaker 5: Cacacci playing in Serie R. It just does not have

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Speaker 5: anywhere near the profile in this country that the Premier

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Speaker 5: League does. So it will be massive for generation of kids.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Gordy, is he good enough to become the

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Speaker 3: first keeper?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, I mean yeah he is.

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Speaker 16: I think he's clearly demonstrated this season with the fanat

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Speaker 16: that he's a prodigious talent. And what I think is

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Speaker 16: incredible here is that this guy is twenty one years old,

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Speaker 16: He's had one season in the A League, he's yet

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Speaker 16: to play and the international for his country, and yet

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Speaker 16: he's been spotted by an English Premier League club. Now

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Speaker 16: what does that tell you about modern football modern sport?

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Speaker 16: You can be spotted anywhere and that never used to

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Speaker 16: be the case. And I really think, especially in recent years,

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Speaker 16: you know, we now have quite a number of young

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Speaker 16: talented footballers playing in you know, elite competitions around the world,

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Speaker 16: and I think that's only going to grow. But like

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Speaker 16: you say, if kids can see it and believe it,

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Speaker 16: they will continue to do it. So yeah, it is

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Speaker 16: going to attract more kids to the sport.

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Speaker 3: Of Noah, I'm so pleased about that. Hey, Matt, on

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Speaker 3: the Formula one, these guys are promising smaller, green and

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Speaker 3: more for energy efficient cars from twenty twenty six. Do

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Speaker 3: you like what you see? I you got concerns about it.

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Speaker 5: Look, I'm not a petrol head. I'll put my hand

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Speaker 5: on the table there, but I'll tell you what I love.

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Speaker 5: I do love Formula one. I never got into Formula

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Speaker 5: E at all. The silent cars don't do it for me.

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Speaker 5: So cleaner, greener, are they going to be quieter? I

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Speaker 5: mean motorsports fans love the noise, you know, the days

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Speaker 5: of the vs. The supercars and miss at Mobile five hundred,

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Speaker 5: Pool of Cobe, these great events that we've had over

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Speaker 5: the years. To me, no, I wouldn't make those changes.

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Speaker 5: I think I think it needs to stay as it is.

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Speaker 3: No, totally because Gordy Lewis Hamilton already has already heard

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Speaker 3: from other drivers that these cars are slower.

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Speaker 2: That's pointless, isn't it.

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Speaker 16: That is totally pointless, And Matt, I'm totally with you.

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Speaker 16: We call them the sewing machines are the Formula E

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Speaker 16: cars because they do they sound like piwing machines going

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Speaker 16: around the tracks. What people want is they want the noise,

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Speaker 16: they want the speed, and they want drivers that hate

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Speaker 16: each other. If you can get those three things in

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Speaker 16: Formula one, that's a recipe for success. And I'm not

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Speaker 16: sure this is heading in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: It's all right, guys, listen, enjoy your week in a sport.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much appreciated, Andrew Gordy, news hubsport presenter

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Speaker 3: at Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation media manager, heither, I'm

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Speaker 3: sick of all of the sport talk. Leave it to

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Speaker 3: the sports shows. Waiting to hear what you were going

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Speaker 3: to say about Willie Jackson. Okay, let's do that next.

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Speaker 3: Then eight away from six on.

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Speaker 1: talk as be.

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Speaker 3: All right, it's five away from six. Just reminder Sharon

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Speaker 3: Zola with some good news for us on the fact

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Speaker 3: that she thinks that the Reserve Bank's going to cut

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Speaker 3: the interest rates a little earlier than expected in February

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Speaker 3: rather than May. Shall explain why it's basically because the

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Speaker 3: economy stuffed. She can explain that much better than I can.

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Speaker 3: So she's with us after sex. Now Willie Jackson. So,

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Speaker 3: Willie Jackson was on Breakfast Television this morning and they

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Speaker 3: were talking about the allegations that have been leveled against

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Speaker 3: the Maori Party and Willie Jackson. Remember great mates with

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Speaker 3: John Palmerheada used to host a radio show with him.

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Speaker 3: That those two have been bosom buddies since, like you know,

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Speaker 3: Jesus was in diapers. He kind of defended the Maori

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Speaker 3: Party and John Pam. He sort of does. He's sort of,

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Speaker 3: He sort of is like, well, you know, if they're guilty,

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Speaker 3: they're guilty. But also then he defends him.

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Speaker 22: Have ever listen, look if JT is guilty, not lock them up,

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Speaker 22: you know, throw the book at them. That there's a

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Speaker 22: process to go through. And I hope they go through

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Speaker 22: that process. But look, it's it's I know this Mara backwards,

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Speaker 22: my cousin's the chair, I know the people. Well, this

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Speaker 22: is driven by Brian Tarmicky and his destiny crewe. I

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Speaker 22: just say, and so if John and them are guilty,

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Speaker 22: look throw the book with them.

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Speaker 3: So this is what he's doing, right, He's saying, if

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Speaker 3: they're guilty, but actually this is about Brian Tammockey. So

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Speaker 3: he blames Brian Tumicky and he says, the whole thing

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Speaker 3: is being driven by Brian Tummicky. It's interesting. He's a

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Speaker 3: little bit more of him doing exactly the same.

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Speaker 8: Thing, and it's destiny.

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Speaker 22: Look, those are the guys who are driving it, and

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Speaker 22: we know who's driving it.

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Speaker 8: And what I'm saying is, well, just look, I want

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Speaker 8: to see the evidence.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now that is the Brian Tarmicky connection. Is interesting

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Speaker 3: because that is exactly the same thing John Palmerhead did

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Speaker 3: in his press statement today where he blamed Brian Tummocky

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Speaker 3: and his lot for this. Now it feels to me

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Speaker 3: like Willie Jackson is in a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: difficult position here and he ought to be very careful

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Speaker 3: with how far he goes out on a limb defending

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Speaker 3: the Maori Party here, because he is not in the

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Speaker 3: Maori Party. He is in the Labor Party. In fact,

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Speaker 3: he's quite a senior member of the Labor Party. He is,

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Speaker 3: last I checked, the co chair of the Labor Party's

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Speaker 3: Maori caucus. He should be baying for blood in this.

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Speaker 3: He should be saying he wants absolutely every piece of

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Speaker 3: evidence out there because one of his MP's, Penny Henare,

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Speaker 3: lost that seat where that Maria is to the Maori Party.

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Speaker 3: And yet he's coming out and he's sort of defending

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Speaker 3: the Maori Party. I reckon he is in a spot

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Speaker 3: of bother here. Quite frankly, if I was Penny Henare

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Speaker 3: sitting there having looked at this, having lost my seat

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Speaker 3: amongst all of these allegations, or any of the other

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Speaker 3: Labor Party mary MP's who lost their seats to the

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Speaker 3: Maori Party, I'd be pretty dark on Willie for this

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Speaker 3: because it doesn't feel like he's fighting their corner.

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Speaker 7: Eight.

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Speaker 3: It feels like he might be fighting his mate JT's corner.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, interesting to see how this one plays out,

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Speaker 3: because you can't have one of your chiefs in there.

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Speaker 3: The chiefs not defending the rest of the people, right,

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Speaker 3: If he's not defending the soldiers, you might need a

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Speaker 3: new chief. I would think Barry Soople wrap the political

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Speaker 3: week that was in the next hour. Actually news Dogs

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Speaker 3: had been.

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Speaker 1: We have business inside the business hour.

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Speaker 2: We'd head a duple c Allen and my Hr on

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Speaker 2: News Dogs, A B.

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Speaker 3: Even coming up and really try that again. Just some

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Speaker 3: English problems there coming up in the next hour. Peter

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Speaker 3: Lewis is going to talk us through the Indian election

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Speaker 3: because the new government's about to be sworn in tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: He's with us after half past six, Barry Sopl will

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Speaker 3: rip wrap the political week that was and also rip

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Speaker 3: it probably and Gavin Grays with us out of the

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Speaker 3: UK at seven past six. Now A and Z has

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Speaker 3: got some good news for us, but also a little

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Speaker 3: bit of bad news. The good news is the bank

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Speaker 3: is now predicting the Reserve Bank will cut the ocr

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Speaker 3: in February, which is three months earlier than they were

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Speaker 3: previously saying. The bad news, though, is that the rate

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Speaker 3: cart's only going to be possible because the economy is

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Speaker 3: weak and unemployment they're predicting will be higher than five

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Speaker 3: percent by December. Sharon Zolner is A and z's chief

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Speaker 3: economist and with us evening, Sharon good evening, Okay, why

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Speaker 3: only three months? Why not bring it forward to November?

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Speaker 23: It could happen. But essentially the Reserve Bank, you know,

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Speaker 23: their mandate is just to get inflation under control, to

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Speaker 23: get it to two percent, but not only that, but

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Speaker 23: also be pretty confident that it's going to stay in

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Speaker 23: that sort of one to three percent range. So, given

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Speaker 23: they've struggled to get runs on the board so far,

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Speaker 23: we think they'll be pretty cautious and if anything, probably

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Speaker 23: err on the side of caution. They always have the

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Speaker 23: option of cutting faster, but if they cut too soon,

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Speaker 23: the market will away with that, and then hauling it

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Speaker 23: back would be actually pretty challenging.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they're aiming for two rather than just

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Speaker 3: anything sub three.

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Speaker 23: Well, if you're aimed for two point eight or something,

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Speaker 23: then it's really not going to take much to bounce

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Speaker 23: out of the band again. So certainly they're on the

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Speaker 23: record of saying yes, they are aiming at two so

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Speaker 23: as to maximize the chance of staying in that band.

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Speaker 3: And so when do you reckon it hits two.

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Speaker 23: We've got it heading two sometime next year. But it's

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Speaker 23: really the mix of inflation that matters, because there are

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Speaker 23: some parts of inflation that in the made offshore and

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Speaker 23: the oil prices and biggie that's obviously the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 23: of New Zealand can do nothing to influence. So they

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Speaker 23: really do focus on the homegrown inflation and that's the

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Speaker 23: bit that's been unfortunately, very very slow to fall. So

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Speaker 23: whether we're thinking more in terms of getting that down

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Speaker 23: and by February next year that probably won't quite see

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Speaker 23: where it needs to be, but we think it'll be

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Speaker 23: well on the way, and the Reserve Bank will be

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Speaker 23: pretty confidence forecasting that it'll get there pretty soon.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon that the the Reserve Bank governor's getting

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Speaker 3: any traction out of his jewel boning.

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Speaker 23: He's seridenly getting traction out of his ocr heikes whether

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Speaker 23: he yet traction out of just threatening people to not

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Speaker 23: raise their prices.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 23: We've seen him on a few occasions sort of talk

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Speaker 23: directly to firms about their pricing decisions and directly to

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Speaker 23: consumers about their inflation expectations, telling people to trust trust

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Speaker 23: our forecast, not what you see out the window. At

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Speaker 23: the moment, I don't know if it works, but hey,

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Speaker 23: it's a pretty low cost way of achieving things as

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Speaker 23: opposed to actually accusing economic pains. It's probably worth a cradack.

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Speaker 3: How weak is the economy do you think?

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Speaker 23: Well, we can see that GDP is practically zero in

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Speaker 23: terms of growth, and of course we've got population growth,

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01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 23: so GDP per person is looking really quite sodden. The

1509
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 23: issue is that the Reserve Bank also has to estimate

1510
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 23: how fit the economy is, so how fast can it

1511
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 23: run without generating inflation? And unfortunately they've changed their mind

1512
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 23: about that, and that was the big issue.

1513
01:09:58,479 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 18: Last month.

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01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 23: We saw them revise down their forecast for growth, but

1515
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 23: actually revised up their forecast for inflation nonetheless, because they

1516
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 23: looked at the productivity data, they looked at the lack

1517
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 23: of traction on inflation and decided, actually, this economy is

1518
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 23: really not very fit at all. For our part, we're

1519
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 23: optimistic that actually what we're seeing is just really persistent lags.

1520
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 23: There are a lot of prices in inflation that depends

1521
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 23: on inflation that's gone before even you know, insurance. A

1522
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 23: lot of people are talking about insurance and rate hikes

1523
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 23: for example. That depends a lot on construction costs, which

1524
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 23: of course the Reserve Bank absolutely does influence by its

1525
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 23: impact on the housing market. So some of it we

1526
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:37,799
Speaker 23: think we just have to be patient.

1527
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 3: Is Sharon, It's so good to talk to you. Thank

1528
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 3: you very much. Really appreciate the good news that Sharon's

1529
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 3: on A and z's chief economist. A little bit more

1530
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 3: good news if you're on the ki frame key fruit,

1531
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 3: because Kiwi fruit is doing really really well in terms

1532
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 3: of experts at the moment, and obviously it's on your shelves.

1533
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 3: If you need a vitamin sea boost, go and get

1534
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 3: yourself some key fru It will make you feel heaps better.

1535
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 3: The harvest this year is the biggest crop they have

1536
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 3: ever picked. How good is that? Because these guys have

1537
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 3: just had runs of bad news after bad news after

1538
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 3: bad news. Has just been such a rough time to

1539
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 3: be in the Kiwi fruit business, with all of the

1540
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 3: mishandling of the fruit during the lockdowns. Remember we couldn't

1541
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 3: get enough workers and to peck the fruit. And then

1542
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 3: when they finally did get fruit onto the ships to Europe,

1543
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 3: then they had the blinking mice in there eating all

1544
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 3: the trays and stuff. Anyway, finally, so finally some more

1545
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 3: good news. They managed to pick the biggest crop ever.

1546
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 3: It's one hundred and ninety three million trays. On average,

1547
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 3: every tray has got thirty pieces of kiwi fruit in it. Now,

1548
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 3: my maths is really cruddy because I went through nc

1549
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 3: and I didn't go through NCAA. My massa is just

1550
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 3: crudgus has been a long time since I've out to

1551
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 3: actually do mats. But I reckon one hundred and ninety

1552
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 3: three million trains trays times thirty pieces of ki fruit

1553
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 3: is about six billion pieces of fruit that's been picked.

1554
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 3: That's amazing, isn't it? Twelve past six.

1555
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1556
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: It's headed Duplice Helen with the Business Hours thanks to

1557
01:11:54,280 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: my HR, the HR platform for SME on newstalk Sbright.

1558
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 3: It's caulled a past six. Barry Soper, senior political correspondent,

1559
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 3: to rap the political week that was welcome back, Barry,

1560
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 3: Hello again, Heather. They're going to have to call a big,

1561
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 3: do it once, do it right inquiry into the Marty Party,

1562
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 3: aren't they.

1563
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:11,520
Speaker 12: Oh?

1564
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 8: Absolutely.

1565
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 13: We've seen Chris Luxen, who will be back from his

1566
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,759
Speaker 13: trip around the Pacific in the next twenty four hours.

1567
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 8: He said that he'll have a look at it.

1568
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 13: He'll have a look at what stats New Zealand are doing.

1569
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 13: The police have had a complaint filed with them. The

1570
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 13: Electoral Commission should be involved, so too the Maldi Party itself.

1571
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 13: They've come out, as I said earlier, fists flailing today,

1572
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 13: saying we've got nothing to hide, show us the evidence

1573
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 13: and if you do that then we can reply to

1574
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 13: these allegations. Well, the only way to clear this matter up,

1575
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 13: and it's a very serious matter when a census data

1576
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 13: is used in this way. If it has been, it's

1577
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 13: a very serious matter and it has to be looked into.

1578
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 13: And you know, the Maldi Party and John Timmerheavy have

1579
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 13: a lot of questions that they need to be asked.

1580
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 3: Part of the reason why I think there has to

1581
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 3: be a big overarching inquiry is because a number of

1582
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 3: these agencies themselves have a real questions to answer like

1583
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 3: mist was warned by a whistleblower allegedly and just ignored it,

1584
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 3: moved her out of them at STATS was warned and

1585
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 3: ignored it for months. By the sounds of things, the

1586
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 3: Electoral Commission still hasn't actually done any anything substantive of

1587
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 3: a bunch of these allegations. They can't be expected to

1588
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 3: look into themselves right when there are questions not their

1589
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 3: own conduct.

1590
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 13: Absolutely, I mean you know that would be a whitewash,

1591
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 13: not an inquiry at all. So definitely there should be

1592
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 13: a ministerial inquiry or even a select committee inquiry. Although

1593
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 13: I don't think that's strong enough. I think this cuts

1594
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 13: to the very heart yeah of democracy and the privacy

1595
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 13: of information, and really it has to be an overarching

1596
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 13: and limer.

1597
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 17: I agree with you.

1598
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 3: I reckon the right person to do this. It's either

1599
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 3: the coppers or it is the Order to General. But

1600
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 3: what happens with that Order to General? Does does somebody

1601
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 3: need to complain to him for him to start an.

1602
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 8: Inquiry that, yes, somebody would have.

1603
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 3: He can't disappoint himself to one.

1604
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 13: No, I think well yes he can. He can say

1605
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 13: I'll be looking into this, but I think it needs

1606
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 13: more than that, I think it needs to be a

1607
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 13: much more open inquiry so the public can have its

1608
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 13: faith restored, not just in democracy, but in the senses

1609
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 13: and the way that's being conducted, the way it may

1610
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 13: have been conducted in this case.

1611
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not a fair fair point. Actually, the NATS

1612
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 3: have they managed to rescue themselves after that balls up

1613
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:37,839
Speaker 3: the cancer drugs?

1614
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 13: Well, you know it was egg on their face, wasn't

1615
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 13: it really that. I don't know why they misread the

1616
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 13: situation so badly, and they should never in the first place.

1617
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 13: And the lead up to the last election promise thirteen

1618
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 13: keys of drugs because what you do in doing that

1619
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 13: is you undermine your own bargaining ability because the pharmaceutical

1620
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,759
Speaker 13: company will know exactly the drugs thereafter and you can't

1621
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 13: then bargain in the way you may be able to

1622
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 13: or may have been able to. And the difficulty is

1623
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 13: now for national that says it's going to make a

1624
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 13: decision on these cancer drugs very shortly, well you know

1625
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 13: they're going to find it difficult, not just with the

1626
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 13: pharmaceutical companies but with Farmac. Now it's Farmac's job to

1627
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 13: do the buying on behalf of the taxpayer and the government.

1628
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 13: It's not it's not the government's job to tell Farmac

1629
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 13: which drugs to buy, and that's a real problem.

1630
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think you're right on that one.

1631
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 3: The radiology services money is that. I looked at that

1632
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 3: and thought of this is them trying to sort of

1633
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 3: restore their reputation on the housefield. Am I being too cynical?

1634
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 13: No, that that decision was made within twenty four hours

1635
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 13: of them talking about the cancer drugs, But this is

1636
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 13: really quite a step change in the way things have

1637
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 13: been conducted in the past. They're throwing thirty million dollars

1638
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 13: at it, and what it means is that a GP

1639
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 13: can refer a person to radiology services and that includes

1640
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 13: scans and the light CT scans and the like, rather

1641
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 13: than the person having to first go to a specialist

1642
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 13: and then get referred to a radiology service. And you

1643
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,520
Speaker 13: can imagine it would make for a much more streamline

1644
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 13: situation if they have the information that's garnered out of

1645
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 13: having the X ray a bit to be able to

1646
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 13: present that to a specialist, and it would give the specialist,

1647
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 13: you know, a much better idea of what the patient

1648
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 13: is suffering from and how it can be rectifized.

1649
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 3: End of the week on a high a with pothole money, Like,

1650
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 3: who doesn't love money for potholes?

1651
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 13: Well, you know it's incredible, isn't it that we talk

1652
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 13: in this country about potholes. Normally it's a third world problem.

1653
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 13: But when you consider the figure that they put out

1654
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 13: sixty two thousand potholes detected around New Zealand last year,

1655
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 13: we've got ading problem. And it's not just it's maintenance,

1656
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 13: but it has to be ongoing maintenance rather than plugging holes.

1657
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, Barry, thank you very much. Appreciate it

1658
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 3: as always. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, rapping the political

1659
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 3: week that was. Peter Lewis is going to be with

1660
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 3: us out of Hong Kong on the Indian government the

1661
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,719
Speaker 3: Indian elections. He'll be with us in around about seventeen

1662
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 3: minutes time. This will I'll tell you what if you

1663
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 3: watch the video at the weekend of the Livin Boy

1664
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 3: races and just the mayhem that the caused and the

1665
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 3: disrespect for the coppers, if that drove you crazy, Like

1666
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 3: if that made you feel even just a slightly bit angry,

1667
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 3: just the tiniest bit angry. I reckon this will make

1668
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 3: you feel angry again. One News has just spoken to

1669
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 3: the guy who organized it. He reckons he spent months

1670
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 3: planning what he calls the Livin Invasion. He's from Wellington,

1671
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 3: so you know, not that far away. He reckons they're

1672
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 3: coming back, obviously not in the slightest Worried about the

1673
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 3: fact that all the locals are as upset as they are,

1674
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 3: and the policemen it's is upset and the cops are

1675
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 3: upset about it. He said, I wanted to leave a

1676
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 3: mark and to show the government that we don't care

1677
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 3: about your honey laws and all the new laws that

1678
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 3: are coming in because we are here to stay. Says

1679
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 3: they're going to come back because they have demands. I know,

1680
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 3: it's like ransom.

1681
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 16: He says.

1682
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 3: They want a purpose built facility for car enthusiasts to use.

1683
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 3: What we're doing is illegal. I understand that, but until

1684
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 3: we get a proper skid pad or somewhere safe to

1685
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 3: do it, we're going to keep doing it on the streets.

1686
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: Now.

1687
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 3: I read somewhere that there is some sort of a

1688
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 3: skid pad around the bottom of the North Island, and

1689
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 3: the problem with it is though that it doesn't suit them.

1690
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 3: So they want to be able to use the skid

1691
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 3: pad when they want to be able to use it,

1692
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 3: which is presumably in the middle of the night. They

1693
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 3: don't want to have to comply with the rules.

1694
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1695
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 3: The rules are things like you can't get totally boozed

1696
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 3: and get behind the wheel at these hired skid pads,

1697
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 3: or the crowd has to stand like that far away.

1698
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 3: But they want to be able to drink, and they

1699
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 3: want the crowd to be right there so they can

1700
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 3: sometimes actually even clip the people and stuff like that.

1701
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 3: So anyway, even if they do get what they want,

1702
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 3: they will not want to use it in the way

1703
01:18:58,280 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 3: that we would want them to use it. So anyway,

1704
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 3: I don't know quite now how they deal with this.

1705
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 3: I hope that next time they come and to live

1706
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 3: in the coppers just have such a massive presence. It

1707
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 3: sorts those kids out.

1708
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 2: Six point twenty two crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1709
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,600
Speaker 2: It's Heather Dup see Ellen with the business hours.

1710
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,560
Speaker 1: Thanks to my HR the HL platform for SME on

1711
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: us talksb.

1712
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 3: Hither they should have the army there with their tanks

1713
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 3: and crush the lot. Then let's see who cares about

1714
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 3: what you can and can't do. I mean, I'm for

1715
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 3: the crushing, though, aren't you Like? I do not see

1716
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 3: a downside to taking their cars off them. The minute

1717
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 3: they start doing is skiddy when they're not supposed to.

1718
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 3: I just rock up there and be like, thanks, give

1719
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 3: me the keys, okay, bye, off you go, and then

1720
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 3: I take the car and go crush it. What's up

1721
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 3: with this? You get three strikes and stuff like that

1722
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 3: would a waste of everybody's time.

1723
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 13: Hither.

1724
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 3: If those guys want a skid pad so much, maybe

1725
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 3: they should start raising funds for it by having a

1726
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 3: bake sale and a sausage sizzle too, right Hither. The

1727
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 3: worst thing about the boy racer organizer was actually, despite

1728
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 3: being masked up, he was no kid. He's old enough

1729
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 3: to have grown out of mindless pursuits like this. I

1730
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 3: would agree with that. I speaking of money and stuff

1731
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 3: like that, mungrel mob can start a little bake sale

1732
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 3: if they want to continue that methamphetamin rehab program and

1733
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 3: hooks because the money's been taken off them. Finally, the

1734
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 3: two point seventy five million, remember that that was given

1735
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 3: to them in twenty twenty, but it was given to

1736
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 3: them for four years, so this is the year that

1737
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 3: it runs up. Now it runs out. Now if they

1738
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 3: really truly believe that their program was assisting people, I

1739
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 3: look forward to seeing their fundraising efforts and their intent

1740
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 3: to continue with that program despite the lack of funding.

1741
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? I think we can

1742
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 3: all see that's not going to happen now, Torri Farno.

1743
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about this all day because I woke

1744
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 3: up to the news. Interesting thing to wake up to.

1745
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 3: Woke up to the news that Tory Farno has revealed

1746
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,759
Speaker 3: that she has been diagnosed with ADHD and significant traits

1747
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 3: of autism. And as a result of finally getting this

1748
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 3: diagnosis quite late in life, because she'd be well into

1749
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 3: her forties, what the what they've done basically at the

1750
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 3: council is they've decided to keep her meetings to thirty

1751
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 3: minutes maximum, presumably so she doesn't lose concentration, and she

1752
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 3: now has to pack as much into the morning as

1753
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 3: possible so that while she's got heaps of eny, so

1754
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 3: in the afternoon when she's a bit more low energy,

1755
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 3: she doesn't have to do quite as much. And as

1756
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 3: also also they have to factor in that she needs

1757
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 3: quite a bit of rest once you know she's done

1758
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 3: all this stuff and whatnot. Good on her, I think

1759
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 3: forgetting this diagnosis, because I think not enough people do

1760
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,919
Speaker 3: actually go and get diagnosed for this stuff. And hopefully

1761
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 3: now that she has got this diagnosis will give her

1762
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 3: the ability to understand what is going on and get

1763
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 3: her act together as a result of that. But the

1764
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 3: thing that I've been mulling over all day is that

1765
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 3: I do not know how I feel about her going

1766
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 3: public with this. She says she's gone public with it

1767
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 3: kind of in the end, like to reduce stigma, and

1768
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 3: maybe it will reduce stigma. I mean, you never know.

1769
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 3: Maybe in some parts of the world, in some parts

1770
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 3: of our community, it will reduce stigma, but I don't know.

1771
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 3: It feels to me like someone like stigma is only

1772
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 3: reduced when you have got a high functioning, capable, successful

1773
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 3: person you know, who you respect, goes public and says,

1774
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 3: I've actually got ADHD and look at my I'm living

1775
01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 3: my best life despite this, and we go, oh, that

1776
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 3: reduces the stigma. That's not that bad. I sort of

1777
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 3: feel like someone who's a little bit of a mess

1778
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 3: up if they go public with having all these things.

1779
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 3: I don't feel like it reduces the stigma. More likely,

1780
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 3: it just makes people go, oh, that's what, Oh that's

1781
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 3: why you're a stuff up. So it kind of does

1782
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 3: the opposite, like it pins all of these negative things,

1783
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 3: all of the negative things that Tory Fano has done

1784
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 3: is now pinned on this diagnosis, when I'm not really

1785
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 3: sure that that's fair. But anyway, I'm still I'm still

1786
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 3: trying to decide what I actually think. I'm gone. I

1787
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 3: feel like half and half on that. Best of luck

1788
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 3: to her, though, I'm sure this will very liberating and

1789
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:55,719
Speaker 3: unpleased that she's got the diagnosis. Headline's next than Peter Lewis.

1790
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

1791
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: It's all on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen

1792
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: and my HR.

1793
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 2: The HR platform for SME used to sip, sure me

1794
01:22:58,479 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 2: you can come.

1795
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 12: And gus she's so high that she can come down,

1796
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 12: ask you WHOA I'm getting slaid on the text machine

1797
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 12: for being too nice to Tory Hither, you're serious, you

1798
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 12: blow me away.

1799
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 3: This is how the Left having a play an illness

1800
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 3: to cover their pathetic behavior. Well see here's the thing

1801
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:28,719
Speaker 3: like I I that's naturally obviously how cynical. I am too.

1802
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 3: But but Tory didn't actually bought toy. I'm not on

1803
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 3: first name basis. Tory Faro did not actually want to

1804
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 3: have to go public with us necessarily, right. She was

1805
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 3: pursued by the hera to go public with it.

1806
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 13: Now.

1807
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 3: I you know, obviously she will take every opportunity available

1808
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 3: to her. She's very, very good at communication. But I

1809
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 3: also don't want to discourage people from being able to

1810
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 3: talk about it if they've got a thing like this.

1811
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 3: I think it's quite a good idea anyway. Gavin Gray

1812
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 3: is going to be with us in about ten minutes time.

1813
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 3: In New Zealand has announced that they are going to

1814
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 3: fly to Bali all year round. This is their big

1815
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 3: announcement today because previously they were only flying to Bali

1816
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 3: on the on season, just between March and October. Now

1817
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 3: they're just going to do it all year round. Now.

1818
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 3: This is I suspect a lot of people will look

1819
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 3: at that and think that's a good that's just a

1820
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 3: good call, just an airline doing what they need to do.

1821
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I actually feel slightly uncomfortable about this.

1822
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 3: Because it feels to me like Air New Zealand is

1823
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 3: just scrambling trying to find something that works for them,

1824
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 3: because remember they put all of the eggs into that

1825
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 3: North American basket. The big New York leg was going

1826
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: to be the big thing for them, right, It's going

1827
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 3: to be their point of difference. But then Quantas came

1828
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 3: in and totally cut their lunch on that one, and

1829
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 3: then they had all these kind of North American legs

1830
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 3: that they were relying on, and then next minute, all

1831
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 3: of a sudden and they'd abandoned the London route, and

1832
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, all of these planes weren't

1833
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 3: flying between America and China anymore, and so all these

1834
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 3: other carriers decided to fly down to New Zealand as well,

1835
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 3: and they're getting their lunch cut continuously, and the competition

1836
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 3: is fierce in this one place that they thought that

1837
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 3: they were going to make a mint. And so just

1838
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 3: wonder if them looking around for things like balley and

1839
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 3: stuff is sort of trying to plug that gap. If

1840
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 3: it is, I don't know, is it going to work?

1841
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 3: Do you really want to go to Bali that badly?

1842
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 3: Twenty two away from seven Peter Lewis Asia Business Correspondence

1843
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 3: with us Now Hey, Peter, Hello, Henda Hey, Honorindram Moody.

1844
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 3: Losing his outright majority, this has got to be a

1845
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 3: good thing in terms of hampering his ability to go

1846
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 3: full nationalist right.

1847
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 24: I think that's right, man, And you know this is

1848
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 24: in many ways it's not a bad thing at all.

1849
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 24: Despite the panic that we saw in Indian financial markets

1850
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 24: at the beginning of this week, the government that we're

1851
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,799
Speaker 24: getting now is not going to look that much different

1852
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 24: from what we saw before the election. It's going to

1853
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 24: be a coalition of parties in the National Democratic Alliance

1854
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 24: as there was before the election. Mister Mody will lead

1855
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 24: that as he did before the election, and he will

1856
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 24: be Prime Minister now. The only difference is, of course,

1857
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 24: on his own he didn't get a majority, which wasn't

1858
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 24: the case in the last two elections, where he had

1859
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 24: enough votes to rule on his own if he wanted to.

1860
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 8: So you're right.

1861
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 24: The fact that he has got now needs these coalition

1862
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,560
Speaker 24: partners could rain in some of the more divisive policies

1863
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 24: and undemocratic policies that he was trying to impose and

1864
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 24: had imposed in India, particularly on religious minorities and having

1865
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 24: a sort of a nationalist type approach, so it's going

1866
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 24: to be a little bit more conciliatory. I don't think

1867
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 24: this will derail his economic agenda at all. I think

1868
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 24: you'll still be able to move forward with the economic

1869
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 24: reforms that he wanted to do to try and get

1870
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 24: India up to being a developed market economy by twenty

1871
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 24: forty seven. So there's going to be a lot of

1872
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 24: investments in infrastructure. What he is going to have to

1873
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 24: do is focus a lot more on making sure that

1874
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 24: the benefits of the economic growth that India has been

1875
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 24: seeing and it's growing that over eight percent at the

1876
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 24: moments eight point two percent was the figure for the

1877
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 24: last fiscal year, and make sure the benefit of that

1878
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 24: spread more evenly around the country. Because this is the

1879
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,440
Speaker 24: main reason I think why he didn't get his majority.

1880
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 24: There were a lot of people in some big states

1881
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 24: that felt that they just ont included in it, and

1882
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 24: they got to the gates him. So he's got to

1883
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 24: make sure that he comes up with policies to address that.

1884
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 24: There's a lot of young people unemployed in the country.

1885
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 24: They need to create a lot of jobs to keep

1886
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 24: everyone in employment. So he's going to have to focus on.

1887
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 2: That as well.

1888
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,839
Speaker 24: So, as you say, there are some positive things that could.

1889
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 3: Come out with this, Peter, why is he so keen

1890
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 3: on pursuing closer ties with Taiwan?

1891
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 24: Well, this is interesting, I mean he said this week

1892
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 24: in response to William Lai, who congratulated him on Twitter

1893
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 24: about his victory, and William Lai said they were looking

1894
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 24: forward to a fast growing India Taiwan partnership that is

1895
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 24: going to contribute to peace and prosperity in the India Pacific,

1896
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 24: and mister Moodie responded saying that he was looking forward

1897
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 24: to closer ties with Taiwan. Now, this is going to

1898
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 24: absolutely rile China, which completely opposes any country having closer

1899
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 24: relations with Taiwan, and even though these are not formal

1900
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 24: diplomatic relations, China opposes even trade ties and any form

1901
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 24: of developing a partnership, whether it be economic or technological

1902
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 24: with China. I'm not quite sure why he wants to

1903
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 24: do this right now, but obviously you know he does

1904
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 24: have a dispute with China over the northern border in

1905
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 24: the Himalayas, and India and China do have their own

1906
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 24: sort of tensions so maybe he feels that in his

1907
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 24: third term, which is almost certainly going to be his

1908
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 24: last term as Prime Minister, he can start doing some

1909
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 24: of the things that internationally he would like to do,

1910
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 24: and that could be involved getting closer to the United States.

1911
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 24: Has been very new uctural on things like the war

1912
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 24: in Ukraine and the US China tensions. Maybe this is

1913
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 24: a signal that is going to get closer to the

1914
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 24: United States and maybe move more towards them.

1915
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 8: Staying in the middle.

1916
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting STUFFE what's going on with your retail sales?

1917
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 3: I mean, falling fifteen percent in a month, there's a lot.

1918
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Speaker 24: It's huge, absolutely huge, And if you take into accounts inflation,

1919
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 24: just measure retail cells by volume, they're down over sixteen percent. Now,

1920
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 24: this is no longer a cyclical issue. This can't be

1921
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 24: put down to base effects or seasonal effects. This is

1922
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:42,560
Speaker 24: a real structural issue. And what's happening is the consumer

1923
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 24: the spending patterns of Hong Kongers are changing very fast.

1924
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 24: One of the things that's changing is that it's now

1925
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 24: much easier to go over the border to mainland China

1926
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 24: and particularly to Shenzhen. So every weekend, scores of Hong

1927
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 24: kongers are crossing the border and spend big money in Shenzen,

1928
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 24: where it's far far cheaper than it is in Hong Kong.

1929
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 24: And you can get cheap hotels in Shenzen and very

1930
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 24: nice hotels as well, about a quarter of the price

1931
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 24: that it costs in Hong Kong. And the converse of

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Speaker 24: that is that mainland tourists are no longer coming to

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Speaker 24: Hong Kong and the droves that they used to. They're

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Speaker 24: not coming here to buy expensive jewelry and watches and

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Speaker 24: clocks like they used to. When they do come, they're

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Speaker 24: coming on budget trips and they're being very cautious about

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Speaker 24: what they're spending. So Hong Kong, and this has been

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Speaker 24: the debates that has really been raging in Hong Kong,

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Speaker 24: particularly this week, needs to change its model. It's economic model,

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Speaker 24: which is really no longer suited for the way that

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Speaker 24: China operates and for Hong Kong the way it's sort

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Speaker 24: of more integrated into China, and it just can't rely

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Speaker 24: anymore on these bloods of tourists coming to Hong Kong

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Speaker 24: and spending a lot of money here. So it really

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Speaker 24: needs to have a think about what is the Hong Kong.

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Speaker 24: How is it going to grow and develop going forward?

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Speaker 3: Interesting? Yeah, hey, Peter, thank you as always, enjoy your weekend.

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Speaker 3: Look forward to talking to you next week. As Peter

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Speaker 3: lewis our Asia business correspondent, Heather, you're so right rear

1950
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Speaker 3: in New Zealand clutching at straws in an American leg being

1951
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Speaker 3: overtaken by quantas Heather, I really enjoy your show, but

1952
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you have ADHD. You definitely show all

1953
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Speaker 3: the traits. I googled it. The main signs of hyperactivity

1954
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Speaker 3: and impulsiveness are being unable to sit still, especially in

1955
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Speaker 3: calm surroundings, constantly fidgeting, being unable to concentrate on tasks,

1956
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Speaker 3: excessive physical movement, excessive talking that are absolutely one hundred

1957
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Speaker 3: percent excessive talking that's me being unable to wait your turn,

1958
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Speaker 3: acting without thinking, interrupting conversations, little or no sense of danger.

1959
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Speaker 3: I mean, I did once order a gun online when

1960
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 3: I knew that I could possibly go to jail, So

1961
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Speaker 3: that's possibly true. Anyway, so I thought about it. Here's

1962
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Speaker 3: the trouble with this is that my brother and like

1963
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Speaker 3: literally everybody I know, is constantly diagnosing themselves with ADHD,

1964
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Speaker 3: and so I'm already hyper aware of the fact that

1965
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Speaker 3: you can find yourself in there. So anyway, so I'm

1966
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Speaker 3: open to being adh Young' got a problem with that

1967
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Speaker 3: if I'm ADHD cool at cool Banana's. But I don't

1968
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Speaker 3: think I am. Because these symptoms can cause significant problems

1969
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Speaker 3: in a child's life, such as underachievement at school. Bro

1970
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Speaker 3: I got ninety eight percent in school semaths and ninety

1971
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Speaker 3: five percent in like something else. I don't know what

1972
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Speaker 3: it was. Who cares English or something? Come on, that's

1973
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Speaker 3: not underachievement. Also poor social interaction with other children and adults.

1974
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Speaker 3: That's true. My colleagues will tell you that all the time.

1975
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Speaker 3: Problems with discipline, No way, Momum beat me black and blue.

1976
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Speaker 3: I was really good at discipline. I definitely learned it.

1977
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Speaker 3: And in adults and stuff. Also it shows up in

1978
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Speaker 3: like things like no regard for safety, like driving driving

1979
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Speaker 3: dangerously and stuff. Mate, I went the opposite direction when

1980
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Speaker 3: I had the baby, like I got ridiculously scared about everything.

1981
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Speaker 3: I was like, super careful about everything. Baby gates all

1982
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Speaker 3: over the show.

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Speaker 2: Nut.

1984
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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm ADHD. I would love to be

1985
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Speaker 3: ADHD because it would basically give me something to blame

1986
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Speaker 3: everything on, but unfortunately for myself, just pretty boring and normal,

1987
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Speaker 3: just talks too much. That's all fourteen away from seven everything.

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Speaker 1: From SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour with

1989
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Speaker 1: Hinther Duple c Ellen and my HR, the HR platform

1990
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Speaker 1: for SME US talks.

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Speaker 8: It'd be.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray as our UK correspondent this evening. Hi, Gavin,

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Speaker 3: hither look to you like the new European Parliament is

1994
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Speaker 3: probably going to shift to the right.

1995
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Speaker 25: Yeah, I think that's the way everyone is expecting it

1996
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Speaker 25: to go. So they are across the EU voting for

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Speaker 25: the European Parliament members three hundred and seventy three million

1998
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Speaker 25: Europeans eligible to vote. It's the second biggest democratic election

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Speaker 25: in the world after India. Seven hundred and twenty seats

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Speaker 25: up for grabs, each country having seats proportioned to their population,

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Speaker 25: with Germany and ninety six for instance, France eighty one.

2002
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Speaker 25: The Netherlands have one seats, so they're up for grabs

2003
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Speaker 25: and they are among the first countries to vote. The

2004
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Speaker 25: focus will move to Ireland and the Czech Republic as well.

2005
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Speaker 25: Today they vote, and then the rest of the EU

2006
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Speaker 25: votes over the weekend, with the expected result late Sunday

2007
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Speaker 25: evening European time Monday morning for New Zealand. Now we

2008
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Speaker 25: are expecting this result this election to come and favor

2009
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Speaker 25: potentially far right parties eyeing victory in France, Belgium, Austria

2010
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Speaker 25: and Italy. So everyone's really looking at the first one

2011
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Speaker 25: Netherlands the Dutch to see which way they're going. Now

2012
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Speaker 25: we don't know yet. Voting is underway, but the exit

2013
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Speaker 25: polls suggest it's a tight race between the Party of

2014
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Speaker 25: Anti Islam Populist Builders and the left Green Alliance, and

2015
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Speaker 25: that would suggest that mister Wilder's Freedom Party is on

2016
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Speaker 25: course for some gains, but not the runaway victory, not

2017
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Speaker 25: a repeat of the runaway victory of the general election

2018
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Speaker 25: within the Netherlands to elect a Dutch government. So it's

2019
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Speaker 25: going to be a very interesting few days. A lot

2020
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Speaker 25: of very concerned people in Europe about this lurch to

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Speaker 25: the right.

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Speaker 3: Kevin explained to me the latest with Harry, Prince Harry

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Speaker 3: in his court case.

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Speaker 25: Oh how long have you got? This is really really

2025
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Speaker 25: quite complicated, but basically Prince Harry always used to receive

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Speaker 25: full publicly funded security protection until he stepped back from

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Speaker 25: royal duties and moved to America back in March twenty twenty.

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Speaker 25: There is something called RAVEK, the Executive Committee for the

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Speaker 25: Protection of Royal and Public Figures, and they decide the

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Speaker 25: level of protection. And in the past, all being in

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Speaker 25: that very senior clique of royal family members, they all

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Speaker 25: received the same level of protection. That changed when he

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Speaker 25: moved and his was downgraded. His level of protection was

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Speaker 25: downgraded when he visited the UK. He didn't like that.

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Speaker 25: He launched legal action against the Home Office response for policing.

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Speaker 25: Multiple hearings have taken place since he was told that

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Speaker 25: he was refused permission to challenge a ruling which said

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Speaker 25: there was no procedural unfairness, and he decided to go

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Speaker 25: up and over the head of that High Court to

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Speaker 25: the Court of Appeal and the judge has said he

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Speaker 25: can appeal. He said he was persuaded quote not without hesitation,

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Speaker 25: that Harry's challenge has a prospect of success. So back

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Speaker 25: to court we all go. This is costing the UK

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Speaker 25: taxpayer more money. I would suggest it's possibly making Harry

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Speaker 25: even less popular, but that's just my opinion. So Harry

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Speaker 25: back to court. One of lots of different legal proceedings

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Speaker 25: he is undertaking, including of course all those cases against

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Speaker 25: the newspapers and media here in the UK.

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Speaker 3: Gevin, your opinion is bang on. I love it. Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much. Devin Gray, UK correspondent, eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's micro micro or just playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on Business Hour with Heather Duplicy.

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Speaker 2: Allen and my HR, the HR platform for sme US.

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Speaker 3: Talksp here that the symptoms of burnout are similar to ADHD.

2055
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Speaker 3: Most people get them confused. Matt, thank you. That's what

2056
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Speaker 3: I've tried to tell my brother. I've said to him,

2057
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Speaker 3: you're just burnt out, you're not ADHD. But then but

2058
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Speaker 3: he wants to be adh I was, okay, you could

2059
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,640
Speaker 3: be ADHD if it makes you feel better. Here the

2060
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 3: why does everybody seem to need some sort of a

2061
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Speaker 3: diagnosis to describe their individual personality traits? Also, far no

2062
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 3: just wants the attention of in. Both of those things

2063
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Speaker 3: are true. I just love yourself for who you are.

2064
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Speaker 3: If you're a little bit hyperactive and talk too much

2065
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Speaker 3: and interrupt people, you're just excitable. It's a lovely thing.

2066
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Speaker 3: That's probably what we love about you. Anyway, listen, listen

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Speaker 3: to this. Okay, China's copping grief at the moment because

2068
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Speaker 3: China's largest uninterrupted waterfall has been busted as not being

2069
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 3: actually just a natural waterfall. But there are pipes in

2070
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,639
Speaker 3: the rock face. How in God's name they got pipes

2071
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 3: into the rock face, I do not know. But there

2072
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 3: are pipes in the like big pipes, like the kind

2073
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Speaker 3: of pipes that are big enough that Wellington can't afford them,

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Speaker 3: you know, because Wellingson like a third world city. Now

2075
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 3: those kinds of big pipes, like proper pipes. Someone was

2076
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 3: hiking up by the Juntai Falls and they were looking

2077
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Speaker 3: at the beautiful waterfall and they're behind the beautiful waterfall

2078
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 3: was a gigantic pipe with all this water coming out

2079
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 3: and so like, out of the rock phase. So they

2080
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 3: took a video. The videos got viral. As a result,

2081
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 3: the authorities have been pressed into admitting that yes, they

2082
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:25,679
Speaker 3: actually at some point constructed a concealed network of water pipes.

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Speaker 3: And the reason they put them in is because they

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Speaker 3: want to make sure that the waterfalls always have water,

2085
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 3: right because you know, you know how it is. Sometimes

2086
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Speaker 3: there's a dry season, maybe it's summer, river dries up

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Speaker 3: a wee bit the waterfall's not as impressive. Do you

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Speaker 3: know what got on your China? I'm into this.

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Speaker 19: We should get into this. There, you're I should get

2090
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Speaker 19: into this. Oh we have plenty of great waterfalls already,

2091
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:42,559
Speaker 19: but we're doing more.

2092
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Speaker 3: Yeah, why not? Why not? Like why even just do

2093
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 3: it by an existing waterfall? Why not just make a

2094
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 3: waterfall somewhere? Just be like, you know what that could

2095
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 3: do with a waterfall?

2096
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 7: Up?

2097
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 3: It goes, put some pipes.

2098
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Speaker 19: In local water. Done well, and we do waterfalls too

2099
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Speaker 19: with you. G easy me myself and I to play

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Speaker 19: us out tonight. The American Wrap Around Producer is going

2101
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Speaker 19: to be playing a sh show in New Zealand next year.

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Speaker 19: It's announced today, just the one at Auckland's town Hall

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Speaker 19: on March the first.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to have to travel to the biggest

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Speaker 3: waterfall in China and get there and there's not enough water.

2106
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Speaker 3: I want them to be here.

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Speaker 19: This is a classic sausage principal one, right, Like I

2108
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 19: don't need to know what goes into the sausage. I

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Speaker 19: just want to look at the beautiful waterfall. I'm not

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Speaker 19: going to worry too much about where the waterfall came

2111
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Speaker 19: from or whether there are parts. Bill, You're right, I

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01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 19: just want to take a nice photo.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. I just want water. I appreciate the

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Speaker 3: effort they're putting into their tourism. You enjoy your weekend,

2115
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Speaker 3: and I'll be back with your Monday news talks. He'd

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Speaker 3: be the Gami for life. I don't need an even

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Speaker 3: when night is going got that, Fia Musl.

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Speaker 8: Listens me every time.

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