1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalks EDB. 3 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:16,027 Speaker 2: Australia have a two meal lead in the Ashes after 4 00:00:16,107 --> 00:00:20,027 Speaker 2: eight wicket victories in both Perth and Brisbane, needing just 5 00:00:20,147 --> 00:00:22,427 Speaker 2: six of the ten scheduled days. 6 00:00:24,547 --> 00:00:25,547 Speaker 3: Smith takes it on. 7 00:00:25,787 --> 00:00:27,067 Speaker 4: Can he win him with as six? 8 00:00:28,267 --> 00:00:29,227 Speaker 3: Smash it away? 9 00:00:29,387 --> 00:00:30,867 Speaker 5: I'm quite raise his hands. 10 00:00:30,867 --> 00:00:32,467 Speaker 3: He's pumped. The captain. 11 00:00:34,387 --> 00:00:38,227 Speaker 5: Clears the right to win the Test mats Australia. They 12 00:00:38,307 --> 00:00:40,947 Speaker 5: go ahead two nearly one of the most hype series 13 00:00:41,987 --> 00:00:47,347 Speaker 5: in the history of this fantastic Ashes in Australia dominating 14 00:00:47,387 --> 00:00:50,227 Speaker 5: England again Nate wicket when. 15 00:00:51,187 --> 00:00:53,427 Speaker 2: So the series moves to Adelaide for the Third Test 16 00:00:53,467 --> 00:00:56,067 Speaker 2: starting on Wednesday. I think I said Thursday, but Wednesday 17 00:00:56,147 --> 00:00:58,867 Speaker 2: is day one of the Third Test and the Boxing 18 00:00:58,947 --> 00:01:01,907 Speaker 2: Day Test at the MCG and the fifth and final 19 00:01:01,947 --> 00:01:06,027 Speaker 2: Test in Sydney in early January. It's a huge pleasure 20 00:01:06,067 --> 00:01:09,427 Speaker 2: to welcome to the show BBC Chief cricket commentator, former 21 00:01:09,507 --> 00:01:12,907 Speaker 2: England fast bowler and one of the world's most respected 22 00:01:13,027 --> 00:01:16,707 Speaker 2: cricket voices, Jonathan Agnew. Jonathan, thank you for joining us. 23 00:01:16,787 --> 00:01:20,627 Speaker 2: I read your excellent BBC column on Monday and you 24 00:01:20,707 --> 00:01:24,827 Speaker 2: wrote to me the bears ball message is dead. There 25 00:01:24,827 --> 00:01:28,027 Speaker 2: has been a realization by England that the way in 26 00:01:28,067 --> 00:01:31,987 Speaker 2: which they play their Test cricket must be altered. So 27 00:01:32,067 --> 00:01:35,747 Speaker 2: the question is do you think they will alter it? 28 00:01:37,227 --> 00:01:39,867 Speaker 3: That is the one hundred thousand dollar question. Thank you 29 00:01:39,867 --> 00:01:41,627 Speaker 3: homing on your program. By the way, it's nice to 30 00:01:41,707 --> 00:01:44,307 Speaker 3: be on. Well, we will will find out, won't we. 31 00:01:44,427 --> 00:01:47,747 Speaker 3: You know, that's the question. I mean, I think you 32 00:01:48,227 --> 00:01:49,947 Speaker 3: can call it bass ball, the way they've been playing 33 00:01:50,107 --> 00:01:54,427 Speaker 3: and when when Brendan mcculluman and Ben Stokes first got 34 00:01:54,427 --> 00:01:57,907 Speaker 3: together four years ago, there was a job to be done, 35 00:01:57,947 --> 00:02:01,627 Speaker 3: and that way of clearing people's minds, the player's minds, 36 00:02:01,627 --> 00:02:04,107 Speaker 3: and making them be more positive to enjoy their cricket 37 00:02:04,107 --> 00:02:06,027 Speaker 3: again after a terrible run in which they won any 38 00:02:06,027 --> 00:02:09,867 Speaker 3: one of seventeen Test matches, that was essential and he 39 00:02:09,907 --> 00:02:11,947 Speaker 3: put smiles on people's faces and they went out and 40 00:02:11,987 --> 00:02:15,027 Speaker 3: enjoyed their cricket and they beat They beat some decent opposition. 41 00:02:15,107 --> 00:02:17,907 Speaker 3: They took the opposition a bit by surprise. But I 42 00:02:17,907 --> 00:02:21,987 Speaker 3: think people who is gonna sound a bit arrogant, but 43 00:02:21,987 --> 00:02:23,427 Speaker 3: I think you know, there are a lot of people 44 00:02:23,467 --> 00:02:26,027 Speaker 3: who follow the game of cricket. You know, at this 45 00:02:26,067 --> 00:02:28,547 Speaker 3: sort of level, was saying this is unsustainable. You know, 46 00:02:28,747 --> 00:02:30,907 Speaker 3: you can't keep playing, you can't keep playing that. So 47 00:02:30,987 --> 00:02:32,707 Speaker 3: they were losing games of cricket that they that they 48 00:02:32,707 --> 00:02:36,067 Speaker 3: should have won, and so they had you know, there 49 00:02:36,067 --> 00:02:38,227 Speaker 3: has been this idea of just just throttling back, you know, 50 00:02:38,307 --> 00:02:40,587 Speaker 3: just play with some common sense which has been lacking 51 00:02:41,507 --> 00:02:44,747 Speaker 3: at times in the game. And the opposition were getting 52 00:02:44,747 --> 00:02:46,987 Speaker 3: wise to what they were doing. They weren't taken by 53 00:02:47,067 --> 00:02:50,667 Speaker 3: surprise anymore. The opposition got better India and then of 54 00:02:50,747 --> 00:02:53,827 Speaker 3: course Australia and they lost a Test match at the 55 00:02:53,867 --> 00:02:57,147 Speaker 3: Oval last year they absolutely committed suicide and a match 56 00:02:57,187 --> 00:02:58,787 Speaker 3: they should have won WHI should have won them the series, 57 00:02:58,827 --> 00:03:01,587 Speaker 3: which they failed to do. They leveled the series and 58 00:03:01,587 --> 00:03:04,147 Speaker 3: that was it. And then you see the way they 59 00:03:04,187 --> 00:03:07,387 Speaker 3: played in person again for much of the game in Brisbane. 60 00:03:07,427 --> 00:03:10,147 Speaker 3: You know, it's just it is, it is an unsustainable 61 00:03:10,187 --> 00:03:13,067 Speaker 3: way of playing Test cricket. And you'll you'll get you'll 62 00:03:13,107 --> 00:03:17,027 Speaker 3: get lucky once or twice, but not not anymore because 63 00:03:17,027 --> 00:03:19,587 Speaker 3: people know what's coming. The bowlers know what to do 64 00:03:20,587 --> 00:03:22,787 Speaker 3: against them is hanging board outside the off stump and 65 00:03:22,867 --> 00:03:26,987 Speaker 3: wait for a mad cap drive and off goes the 66 00:03:27,027 --> 00:03:28,947 Speaker 3: next one. So I was very interested to see what 67 00:03:29,267 --> 00:03:31,347 Speaker 3: they come up with in Adelaide. But after the few 68 00:03:31,427 --> 00:03:34,787 Speaker 3: days they've had up there enjoying the beaches of Noosa, 69 00:03:35,947 --> 00:03:37,787 Speaker 3: I suggest they'd better come out and play a pretty 70 00:03:37,827 --> 00:03:39,547 Speaker 3: good game because if not, they're going to be in 71 00:03:39,627 --> 00:03:40,907 Speaker 3: for a hiding in the press. 72 00:03:41,067 --> 00:03:42,827 Speaker 2: Well, I've got there down as a list of or 73 00:03:43,067 --> 00:03:44,867 Speaker 2: one of my list of things to ask you. There's 74 00:03:44,907 --> 00:03:46,827 Speaker 2: been a lot of talk about England spending time on 75 00:03:46,867 --> 00:03:50,307 Speaker 2: the beach in Noosa. Well, downtime is important. Pretty hard 76 00:03:50,307 --> 00:03:52,227 Speaker 2: sell for England cricket fans, isn't it when you're too 77 00:03:52,267 --> 00:03:53,267 Speaker 2: n all down on the ashes. 78 00:03:54,347 --> 00:03:56,827 Speaker 4: I think it's a very very hard salem. 79 00:03:56,867 --> 00:04:00,387 Speaker 3: And part of the mindset now is that a ten 80 00:04:00,467 --> 00:04:05,347 Speaker 3: day break between tests is a rest, But actually what 81 00:04:05,547 --> 00:04:08,067 Speaker 3: used to be ten day break between tests was the 82 00:04:08,107 --> 00:04:10,787 Speaker 3: opportunity to go off and play game of cricket. And 83 00:04:11,227 --> 00:04:13,227 Speaker 3: in this instance they would gone to someone like Port 84 00:04:13,307 --> 00:04:15,427 Speaker 3: Pirie in South Australia or the Adelaide tests that they'd 85 00:04:15,427 --> 00:04:18,587 Speaker 3: played a country eleven. Joe Ruthey have gone, You've got 86 00:04:18,627 --> 00:04:22,107 Speaker 3: one hundred in the test match, played very nicely others 87 00:04:22,147 --> 00:04:24,787 Speaker 3: would have played. Some of the players who didn't play 88 00:04:24,827 --> 00:04:27,827 Speaker 3: in the Test would have batted and got some runs hopefully, 89 00:04:28,987 --> 00:04:30,787 Speaker 3: and then they were settled down and picked a team 90 00:04:30,827 --> 00:04:33,707 Speaker 3: that was in form. So so ten day breaks between 91 00:04:33,707 --> 00:04:36,587 Speaker 3: Test matches are not new. They were just used in 92 00:04:36,587 --> 00:04:39,307 Speaker 3: different ways. They were used. They were used to play 93 00:04:39,347 --> 00:04:42,947 Speaker 3: cricket on a cricket tour. That doesn't sound like rocket science, 94 00:04:42,987 --> 00:04:46,227 Speaker 3: does it. But instead they sort of used this as 95 00:04:46,227 --> 00:04:49,627 Speaker 3: an excuse. Now, you do need a break, you do 96 00:04:49,747 --> 00:04:55,027 Speaker 3: need breaks. They've played six days of Test cricket. You know, 97 00:04:55,907 --> 00:04:58,507 Speaker 3: does that constitute needing a break. I also think that 98 00:04:58,547 --> 00:05:05,027 Speaker 3: you you earn. You earn days off like that, like 99 00:05:05,067 --> 00:05:06,867 Speaker 3: a sort of a holiday and do so you earn it, 100 00:05:06,987 --> 00:05:08,347 Speaker 3: And I don't think you earn it when you're too 101 00:05:08,387 --> 00:05:11,107 Speaker 3: kneeled down after six days of cricket and when you've 102 00:05:11,107 --> 00:05:13,227 Speaker 3: got three matches left and you have to win all 103 00:05:13,227 --> 00:05:15,867 Speaker 3: of them if you're to win the ashes. So anyway, look, 104 00:05:16,067 --> 00:05:17,907 Speaker 3: I think we've all had our say about the about 105 00:05:17,907 --> 00:05:18,507 Speaker 3: the preparation. 106 00:05:19,867 --> 00:05:21,147 Speaker 4: This is what they've chosen to do. 107 00:05:21,627 --> 00:05:24,667 Speaker 3: They've chosen to ignore everybody who said this can't be right, 108 00:05:25,187 --> 00:05:27,427 Speaker 3: and who knows they might have a miracle. They might, 109 00:05:27,467 --> 00:05:29,227 Speaker 3: they might win the next three Test matches, win the 110 00:05:29,227 --> 00:05:32,307 Speaker 3: ashes and stick a finger up. Well fair enough, but 111 00:05:32,307 --> 00:05:33,987 Speaker 3: they're gonna have to play a damn site better than 112 00:05:33,987 --> 00:05:37,507 Speaker 3: they have done so far and show a massive change 113 00:05:37,507 --> 00:05:40,267 Speaker 3: in attitude to what they've been showing in the last 114 00:05:40,347 --> 00:05:42,387 Speaker 3: the last year or so. All all of those things 115 00:05:42,427 --> 00:05:45,187 Speaker 3: have to change because if they don't, if they lose 116 00:05:45,227 --> 00:05:48,187 Speaker 3: an Adelaide after all this, you know, for frolicking round 117 00:05:48,227 --> 00:05:51,747 Speaker 3: in in Noosa, then I think it will hit the fan. 118 00:05:52,627 --> 00:05:55,147 Speaker 2: You interview in England captain Ben Stokes after both Test 119 00:05:55,227 --> 00:05:57,707 Speaker 2: of feats and you write that he was very different 120 00:05:57,787 --> 00:06:00,787 Speaker 2: after the second Test in Brisbane than he was after 121 00:06:00,827 --> 00:06:03,867 Speaker 2: the first Test in Perth. Can you just explain the 122 00:06:03,907 --> 00:06:04,987 Speaker 2: difference that you saw. 123 00:06:05,947 --> 00:06:08,627 Speaker 3: Yeah, in in Perth, I mean he had just come 124 00:06:08,627 --> 00:06:10,507 Speaker 3: off the field in front of fifty thousand people and 125 00:06:10,507 --> 00:06:12,947 Speaker 3: they'd had a hiding and they'd lost the game in 126 00:06:12,947 --> 00:06:13,587 Speaker 3: two days. 127 00:06:13,387 --> 00:06:15,867 Speaker 4: And he was angry. So you know, I don't I 128 00:06:15,867 --> 00:06:17,507 Speaker 4: don't mind him being angry at all. Is what every 129 00:06:17,587 --> 00:06:18,387 Speaker 4: right to be angry. 130 00:06:19,907 --> 00:06:21,667 Speaker 3: So it was it was a you know, it was 131 00:06:22,187 --> 00:06:24,827 Speaker 3: a very testy interview, which is fine. 132 00:06:24,867 --> 00:06:26,707 Speaker 4: You know, he walks off the field and he's got 133 00:06:26,707 --> 00:06:27,187 Speaker 4: to talk to me. 134 00:06:27,227 --> 00:06:30,267 Speaker 3: Well, that's no one wants to that, particularly particularly when 135 00:06:30,267 --> 00:06:32,387 Speaker 3: he had that sort of treatment in front of fifty thousand. 136 00:06:32,627 --> 00:06:35,707 Speaker 3: But the second one, he clearly had things that he 137 00:06:35,747 --> 00:06:38,987 Speaker 3: wanted to say. He clearly had stuff about you know, 138 00:06:39,067 --> 00:06:41,267 Speaker 3: no no week players in our team and that you know, 139 00:06:41,707 --> 00:06:44,547 Speaker 3: these are things that he wanted to say, and that 140 00:06:44,667 --> 00:06:46,667 Speaker 3: he was going to go away, They're gonna have conversations 141 00:06:46,667 --> 00:06:51,107 Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff. Now, whether that I say, well, 142 00:06:51,107 --> 00:06:53,387 Speaker 3: we'll wait and see whether that's happened, whether that was 143 00:06:53,427 --> 00:06:56,427 Speaker 3: just putting a harder edge to their days off in 144 00:06:56,507 --> 00:06:58,307 Speaker 3: New Southern Yes, we're going to go and have fun, 145 00:06:58,667 --> 00:07:02,147 Speaker 3: but by the same token but also going to be 146 00:07:02,427 --> 00:07:05,187 Speaker 3: rooting out these issues. Well, I say, we'll just have 147 00:07:05,267 --> 00:07:07,387 Speaker 3: to wait and see. You know, they arrive at Adelaide 148 00:07:07,387 --> 00:07:11,467 Speaker 3: on Saturday, they're going to have their usual three days 149 00:07:11,787 --> 00:07:13,507 Speaker 3: preparation going into that Test match. 150 00:07:13,587 --> 00:07:14,307 Speaker 4: They better perform. 151 00:07:14,467 --> 00:07:18,107 Speaker 3: They better performed, And I think that Stokes, that reality 152 00:07:18,147 --> 00:07:21,747 Speaker 3: and that realization hit Stokes before the end of that 153 00:07:21,827 --> 00:07:24,307 Speaker 3: Brisbane Test, which is why he changed his changed his 154 00:07:25,107 --> 00:07:29,747 Speaker 3: tone quite so significantly. You know, they know, they know 155 00:07:29,907 --> 00:07:33,747 Speaker 3: if they slip up anymore. Well, jobs and careers are 156 00:07:33,747 --> 00:07:36,107 Speaker 3: on the line, of course, as they should be, and 157 00:07:36,307 --> 00:07:40,027 Speaker 3: there's not been nearly enough accountability over these last four 158 00:07:40,107 --> 00:07:45,067 Speaker 3: years for players who have failed. And and that's another 159 00:07:45,067 --> 00:07:46,547 Speaker 3: thing that has to change. If you look at the 160 00:07:46,547 --> 00:07:49,907 Speaker 3: if you look at the England squad, apart from Oli 161 00:07:49,987 --> 00:07:53,867 Speaker 3: Pope batting at three, there is nobody breathing down anybody, 162 00:07:54,107 --> 00:07:58,667 Speaker 3: any batsman's necks, dops, haven't got any other replacements four, five, 163 00:07:58,747 --> 00:08:01,507 Speaker 3: six seven. Wicket keeper well, he's got Oli Pope maybe, 164 00:08:01,507 --> 00:08:04,107 Speaker 3: but there's no one. I think there's no reserve wiket 165 00:08:04,147 --> 00:08:07,907 Speaker 3: keeper as such. There is no pressure on places and 166 00:08:08,307 --> 00:08:10,907 Speaker 3: that again for me, is part of the issue. You know, 167 00:08:11,027 --> 00:08:13,907 Speaker 3: you have to feel that there is competition for places. 168 00:08:13,907 --> 00:08:17,027 Speaker 3: That's a good thing as a healthy team environment, and 169 00:08:17,067 --> 00:08:19,427 Speaker 3: there isn't that. There isn't that environment in the England team. 170 00:08:20,267 --> 00:08:23,507 Speaker 2: Is the general feeling Jonathan that Brendan McCullum and Bean 171 00:08:23,587 --> 00:08:26,187 Speaker 2: Stokes are the right meant to be leading England or 172 00:08:26,227 --> 00:08:29,387 Speaker 2: will that assessment have to wait until after this series? 173 00:08:30,227 --> 00:08:32,707 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think a judgment day will come at the 174 00:08:32,787 --> 00:08:34,947 Speaker 3: end of the series. You know, they are very similar 175 00:08:34,947 --> 00:08:37,867 Speaker 3: and often in my experiences it's a good thing to 176 00:08:37,907 --> 00:08:40,507 Speaker 3: have two different people as captain and coach, two kind 177 00:08:40,547 --> 00:08:45,387 Speaker 3: of different mentalities. You know, I'm thinking Andrew Spouse and 178 00:08:45,387 --> 00:08:47,787 Speaker 3: Andy Flower who on the ashes here last time, you know, 179 00:08:47,827 --> 00:08:51,227 Speaker 3: fifteen years ago. They were very different Michael Vaughan, Duncan Fletcher, 180 00:08:51,747 --> 00:08:55,907 Speaker 3: two very different characters, whereas Stokes and McCullum are actually 181 00:08:56,627 --> 00:08:59,667 Speaker 3: very much cut from the same cloth. And the problem 182 00:08:59,747 --> 00:09:02,147 Speaker 3: with that is that while they might say we don't 183 00:09:02,147 --> 00:09:03,627 Speaker 3: need this practice, we don't need to do this, we 184 00:09:03,987 --> 00:09:07,307 Speaker 3: need to do that, there are players in their squad, 185 00:09:07,387 --> 00:09:09,907 Speaker 3: I believe who actually do need a bit of help. 186 00:09:09,987 --> 00:09:12,187 Speaker 3: They do need to play some games, They do need 187 00:09:12,227 --> 00:09:14,227 Speaker 3: to get their head in order. They can't just go 188 00:09:14,307 --> 00:09:16,867 Speaker 3: out like Brandon McCallum used to do. G just go 189 00:09:16,907 --> 00:09:18,667 Speaker 3: out and play. And that's the way that Ben Stokes 190 00:09:18,707 --> 00:09:21,667 Speaker 3: does too, just goes out and plays. Well, you know, 191 00:09:21,987 --> 00:09:22,507 Speaker 3: lucky them. 192 00:09:22,667 --> 00:09:23,027 Speaker 2: Not everyone. 193 00:09:23,587 --> 00:09:27,707 Speaker 3: Not everyone's ass as clear minded as that or as 194 00:09:27,707 --> 00:09:30,507 Speaker 3: relaxed as that. You know, people, there are others there 195 00:09:30,507 --> 00:09:32,867 Speaker 3: who need a completely different approach and I just don't 196 00:09:32,867 --> 00:09:34,787 Speaker 3: think that they they're being allowed to have that. 197 00:09:35,587 --> 00:09:37,707 Speaker 2: Are Australia just a bit of tiss Cricket team than 198 00:09:37,747 --> 00:09:39,587 Speaker 2: England right now? Is that part of us as well? 199 00:09:40,387 --> 00:09:43,827 Speaker 3: No, they're not England. England could have won both matches. No, 200 00:09:44,147 --> 00:09:47,267 Speaker 3: they're lot better. And that's what's again bitterly disappointing English 201 00:09:47,267 --> 00:09:49,707 Speaker 3: that have won in Perth. There has been one nil 202 00:09:49,907 --> 00:09:52,067 Speaker 3: going to the GAB but all sorts of issues going 203 00:09:52,107 --> 00:09:55,627 Speaker 3: on there in the Australian camp. You know, there's all 204 00:09:55,627 --> 00:09:56,867 Speaker 3: sorts of stuff we need to kick off there with 205 00:09:56,987 --> 00:10:00,587 Speaker 3: with Kwaja and who's fit, who isn't fit and Nathan 206 00:10:00,667 --> 00:10:03,027 Speaker 3: Laron being left out and being grumpy all these things. 207 00:10:03,067 --> 00:10:06,067 Speaker 3: You know, these things would start would have started to unravel, 208 00:10:06,107 --> 00:10:08,267 Speaker 3: but they won. You know, they won the game again 209 00:10:08,307 --> 00:10:11,867 Speaker 3: to up sitting very pretty with a team that's well, 210 00:10:11,867 --> 00:10:15,987 Speaker 3: I mean they're bowling attack. Take Mitchell Stark out. It 211 00:10:16,027 --> 00:10:18,987 Speaker 3: is one of the weakest Australian bowling attacks so I've seen. 212 00:10:19,227 --> 00:10:23,227 Speaker 3: And it's not being insulting, it's just it's just true. 213 00:10:23,307 --> 00:10:28,627 Speaker 3: I mean, you know Dogget and Niezer, you know, compare 214 00:10:28,667 --> 00:10:31,667 Speaker 3: that Tote Hazelwood and Cummins and you got Line in 215 00:10:31,707 --> 00:10:34,427 Speaker 3: there as well, and they'll well Hazel won't be back, 216 00:10:34,427 --> 00:10:37,027 Speaker 3: but comings we'll be back at Adelaide and Line so 217 00:10:37,027 --> 00:10:38,627 Speaker 3: it's going to be a much stronger side of the 218 00:10:38,667 --> 00:10:39,907 Speaker 3: England up against Adelaide. 219 00:10:40,427 --> 00:10:41,947 Speaker 2: Just the funnish thing. Can we circle back to the 220 00:10:41,987 --> 00:10:45,987 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars question we started with, Will England change? 221 00:10:46,147 --> 00:10:49,027 Speaker 2: Can you see them changing? Can you see things changing 222 00:10:49,467 --> 00:10:51,587 Speaker 2: in the series from Adelaide onwards? 223 00:10:52,107 --> 00:10:53,787 Speaker 3: Well, if they're ever going to, it's going to be 224 00:10:53,827 --> 00:10:58,147 Speaker 3: next week, because if they don't, it's too late, and 225 00:10:58,187 --> 00:11:01,467 Speaker 3: that'll be that, and then all the recriminations and the 226 00:11:01,507 --> 00:11:05,187 Speaker 3: inquests and inquiries and everything else will will start to 227 00:11:05,227 --> 00:11:05,747 Speaker 3: take place. 228 00:11:05,907 --> 00:11:07,467 Speaker 4: So it's it's up to them. This is the way 229 00:11:07,467 --> 00:11:08,387 Speaker 4: they've chosen to do it. 230 00:11:08,747 --> 00:11:11,467 Speaker 3: I think everyone, you know, all all also kind of 231 00:11:11,467 --> 00:11:15,347 Speaker 3: blue in the face from saying stuff. You know, they're 232 00:11:15,347 --> 00:11:17,547 Speaker 3: not interested in what we have to say. You know, 233 00:11:17,587 --> 00:11:20,187 Speaker 3: you get called has beens and that's how it used 234 00:11:20,187 --> 00:11:21,507 Speaker 3: to be in the old days and all that sort 235 00:11:21,507 --> 00:11:21,867 Speaker 3: of stuff. 236 00:11:21,907 --> 00:11:24,547 Speaker 4: Okay, well, let's see, let's see how. 237 00:11:24,467 --> 00:11:26,827 Speaker 3: Your modern method works, because it's going to have to 238 00:11:26,907 --> 00:11:27,627 Speaker 3: work next week. 239 00:11:28,227 --> 00:11:30,427 Speaker 2: It's been a great pleasure chatting with you, Jonathan. Thank 240 00:11:30,427 --> 00:11:31,947 Speaker 2: you so much for tacking the time to join us 241 00:11:31,947 --> 00:11:34,867 Speaker 2: across New Zealand. That's the pleasure now It's a pleasure 242 00:11:34,947 --> 00:11:37,707 Speaker 2: chatting to you, Jonathan. Thank you so much. Jonathan Agne. 243 00:11:37,787 --> 00:11:40,467 Speaker 2: What a wonderful guy, by the way, what a voice 244 00:11:40,467 --> 00:11:42,227 Speaker 2: and what a depth of cricket knowledge. I could listen 245 00:11:42,267 --> 00:11:43,947 Speaker 2: to Jonathan Egg you talk about cricket all day. 246 00:11:44,507 --> 00:11:47,707 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 247 00:11:47,827 --> 00:11:50,747 Speaker 1: to news talks it'd be weekends from mid day, or 248 00:11:50,827 --> 00:11:52,707 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.