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Speaker 1: On the huddle this evening, Trisharson, Sheerson, Willows PR Joe Speghany,

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Speaker 1: CEO Child Fund, Hello you guys, Hello, hello Trisha.

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Speaker 2: You're in Aucklander and you live in a here is

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Speaker 2: Grayland a heritage erry.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely?

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Speaker 2: What do you think then?

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Speaker 3: I personally think that that style of aluminum window is

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Speaker 3: a crime against all that is is good.

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Speaker 2: It's so hideous, isn't.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely hideous? Having said that, I do think this

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Speaker 3: is a great example of why Auckland Council's costs are

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Speaker 3: completely out of control. And did you see the photos

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Speaker 3: that council had taken of this. I mean, imagine the

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Speaker 3: cost of that little snapper going out and photographing these

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Speaker 3: open windows.

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Speaker 2: You know from you I have to sort of lay

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Speaker 2: in waiting for the window to open.

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Speaker 3: You absolutely would, And I do think there is There's

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Speaker 3: two things here, and often these council debates come down

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Speaker 3: to this. One is it is realistic for these homeowners

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Speaker 3: to go with the most cost effective option, even though

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Speaker 3: I thank you for your insight into parallel importing the

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Speaker 3: wooden sashes. But the second thing is also that it

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Speaker 3: takes away, in my view, from an owner's right rights

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Speaker 3: around their own property. This is really nitpicking stuff.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Josey?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is typical of the heritage groups

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Speaker 4: right where they feel like they can impose their own

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Speaker 4: values on everybody else. So I get it that they

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Speaker 4: want to keep their own houses heritage, you know, perfect

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Speaker 4: as it was one hundred years ago. But not everybody

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Speaker 4: wants to do that. And I do think we've got

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Speaker 4: a tendency in New Zealand to think that every blemon

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Speaker 4: wooden barn is somehow heritage because we lack really old buildings.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I mean even in Paris, you know

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Speaker 4: the loof which is this beautiful heritage building, they can

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Speaker 4: build a massive, big modern glass pyramid modernized.

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Speaker 2: Can't you use a better example? That looks ugly.

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Speaker 4: But the point is it's like saying there will be

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Speaker 4: no innovation. I get that the aluminium windows, you don't

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Speaker 4: like the look of them, But honestly, they've got no

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Speaker 4: right to tell everybody else that they have to keep

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Speaker 4: their home exactly as it was with aga burning, you know,

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Speaker 4: ovens and god knows what else a hundred years ago.

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Speaker 4: But the other thing I want to say about this

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Speaker 4: is that this is typical of policy, right, And I

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Speaker 4: know that the government is wanting to sort of roll

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Speaker 4: back some of these regulations. But as a society, we

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Speaker 4: have to decide we've got a housing crisis. We don't

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Speaker 4: have enough houses. It's as simple as that. And that

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Speaker 4: means there are tradeoffs. And one of the trade offs

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Speaker 4: might be that not every house in Mountain gets to

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Speaker 4: be caught a heritage house. And also that if you

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Speaker 4: already own a house, if we build more houses, the

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Speaker 4: value of your house might go down. The value of

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Speaker 4: my house might go down. There are trade offs, right,

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Speaker 4: So we have to solve one problem, not pretend that

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Speaker 4: we can solve multiple problems with this everything bagel approach

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Speaker 4: to housing.

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Speaker 3: Well, and here's what makes a nonsense of this. We

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Speaker 3: have our indies in a bunch over some aluminum windows

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Speaker 3: in a villa in Mount Eden. Meanwhile, New Zealand's most

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Speaker 3: historic building, which is the old custom House on the

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Speaker 3: waterfront in Russell, is being left to rot because neither

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Speaker 3: the New Zealand Police or Heritage New Zealand can get

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Speaker 3: their proverbial together to rescue that building.

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Speaker 2: So it is arguably more important.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, So.

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Speaker 4: Just shows you one more. Here's just one more example,

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Speaker 4: talking about Paris. So in Paris, and I lived there

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Speaker 4: for nearly three years, so you cannot paint your balconies

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Speaker 4: any other color bit black. So yes, Paris buildings look beautiful.

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Speaker 4: But guess what, they have a hell of a lot

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Speaker 4: more riots than we do, because everybody who hasn't got

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Speaker 4: a home can't afford one in Paris in the city,

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Speaker 4: lives in the ban lure in the suburbs, and terrible

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Speaker 4: housing because you can't build it in Paris. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there are all sorts of implications for this fetishization of

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Speaker 4: an old villa that's actually only seventy years old and

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Speaker 4: isn't even that pretty.

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Speaker 2: Thank you both.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a break and come back to it, back

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Speaker 1: with the hard old Trisherson and Joseph Ganney. Josie, So,

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Speaker 1: do you think this debate about the punishment for the

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Speaker 1: Maori party, which is going to kick off tomorrow is

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Speaker 1: going to overshadow the budget?

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Speaker 4: Well, it could do, because as I understand it, if

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Speaker 4: they do filibuster, i e. They make this debate tomorrow

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Speaker 4: last until budget day, so I think they still pause

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Speaker 4: for budget Day. But what it would mean, I guess,

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Speaker 4: is that party Mari MPs because they wouldn't have had

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Speaker 4: a vote, They'll still be in Parliament for the budget.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's going to be the plan. I

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Speaker 4: think it's going to look terrible for Labor if they

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Speaker 4: do filibuster, because people just look at it and they go, well,

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Speaker 4: you know, I mean, the problem because it's so long,

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Speaker 4: and it is the longest sanction that we've had in

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Speaker 4: Parliament twenty one days or something. It's making it possible

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Speaker 4: for Party Mari, for the MPs to present themselves as victims.

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Speaker 4: So that's the only problem with having it. I think

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Speaker 4: having the length so extreme that they can get away

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Speaker 4: with that. So you know, I don't believe even if

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Speaker 4: they missed budget day that they would actually miss out

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Speaker 4: on their right to comment on the budget because you know,

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Speaker 4: we all know every I mean, media don't particularly cover

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Speaker 4: it in the house, so can I can stand outside

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Speaker 4: Parliament and say whatever they want to say about the

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Speaker 4: budget and it will be covered in the media. So

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Speaker 4: but I think that it's the length of the sanction

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Speaker 4: is allowing them to present themselves as victims, and that's

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Speaker 4: a problem.

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Speaker 2: It's bloody awkward for Niccola though, isn't it tri because

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Speaker 2: surely she wants some clear air ahead of the budget.

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Speaker 3: Well, in my view, this will be worrying the government

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Speaker 3: because it looks like political management has run away from

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Speaker 3: them on what is the biggest set piece of the year.

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Speaker 3: This budget is absolutely critical for New Zealand, but it's

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Speaker 3: also really critical for National in setting up for next

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Speaker 3: year's election. And I think the challenge that there's a

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Speaker 3: couple of challenges here that all New Zealand voters are

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Speaker 3: seeing at the moment is not the kind of political

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Speaker 3: theater we expect in Parliament, but it's actually a circus.

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Speaker 3: And the problem for Labor here is, you know, they

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Speaker 3: have such a thin grasp on economic credibility, which was

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Speaker 3: really ripped away from them again last week with the

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Speaker 3: Greens alternative budget. If they side too much with to

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Speaker 3: Party Maori going down this track of a filibuster, that

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Speaker 3: makes it harder for them to look credible with that big,

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Speaker 3: soft middle of center voters that they try. They're in

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Speaker 3: a tussle with National with so it's difficult for both

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Speaker 3: of those major parties to navigate this. But I imagine

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Speaker 3: if I were Nikola Willis this week, I would be

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Speaker 3: absolutely apoplectic that my clean run into the budget has

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Speaker 3: been interrupted. And you only need to look at the

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Speaker 3: post cabinet press today where the majority of the questions

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Speaker 3: to the Prime Minister and Nikola were actually on this topic,

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Speaker 3: which is not what they want to be talking.

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Speaker 1: Right, there is your proof that this is stealing the limelight.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, anyway, Josie, Gary Lineker, is he

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Speaker 1: an example of why all right thinking adults should take

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Speaker 1: themselves off social media immediately.

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Speaker 4: I used to love Gary Lineker. I grew up in England,

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Speaker 4: you know, I left New Zealand, grew up in England

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Speaker 4: and he was such a hero, like playing for England.

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Speaker 4: He played for Tottenham, Everton Lester and he was this

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Speaker 4: sort of you know, glamorous footballer. He's just a complete

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Speaker 4: twat now, I don't. He keeps saying these things, so

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Speaker 4: the problem is he's got form with this, right, keep

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Speaker 4: saying these political things that just wind people up. You know.

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Speaker 4: One was that the BBC should play this documentary on Gaza,

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Speaker 4: which turned out the young kid who was a hero

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Speaker 4: and it was actually the son of a Hamas minister

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Speaker 4: in the government, so and no one knew that at

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Speaker 4: the time. So it wasn't just a sort of you know,

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Speaker 4: innocent Gaza Gary just shut up. I know, and I

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Speaker 4: don't know. He must know what he's doing because he's

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Speaker 4: got But the real issue here is not nothing to

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Speaker 4: do with freedom of speech. This is to do with

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Speaker 4: a contractual agreement that he because he's done it before,

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Speaker 4: he had a contractual agreement with BBC that he wouldn't

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Speaker 4: do this again. He wouldn't make political comments that made

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Speaker 4: him basically, you know, unappealing to one side or the other.

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Speaker 4: He's now broken that contract again. So it's really about

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Speaker 4: employment law. But yeah, GASA used to be such cool do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, life lesson in this trash, isn't it. Get off

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Speaker 2: social media?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, get off social media. And I'll tell you the

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Speaker 3: other very high value piece of reputation advice that I'm

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Speaker 3: happy to give out for free. Okay, showing you around this.

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Speaker 3: It's not only what you are posting that gives you away.

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Speaker 3: It's the time stamp on your posts.

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Speaker 1: So the old ten past eleven at night, we know

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Speaker 1: you've been all or the two am you know, anything

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Speaker 1: past ten o'clock at night. I'd go earlier, Trish, Well,

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Speaker 1: nine p thirty is enough time to get boothed.

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Speaker 3: I think I personally would go with our of our

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Speaker 3: if it's a professional post, keep it between you know,

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Speaker 3: nine and five or nine and seven, anything after that.

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Speaker 3: When I see a time stamp anywhere after ten pm,

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Speaker 3: I think, oh.

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Speaker 4: That's just what I say to my kids. Actually, is that,

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Speaker 4: you know, kids, nothing good happens after midnight. Bring when

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Speaker 4: they're going out and.

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Speaker 2: Bring it forward. Yeah, bring it forward.

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Speaker 4: I think I've got to be realistic though, Heather, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well on the social media is nothing good happens after

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Speaker 1: nine guys, Thank you appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: It's Tris Sherson and Joseph Gany.

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