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Speaker 1: Now Matt Smith. You might know this guy's name. He's

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Speaker 1: the actor from the House of the Dragon. He's played

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Speaker 1: Prince Philip in one of the Crown Seasons. He reckons

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Speaker 1: we're over using trigger warnings in films and TV shows

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Speaker 1: to the point where modern audiences have become completely reliant

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Speaker 1: on them, and he reckons warnings have left shows dumbed down,

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Speaker 1: and we're telling people to be scared before they've even

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Speaker 1: watched something. Clinical psychologist Google sutherlanders with us on this

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Speaker 1: a Google.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going?

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, thank you. What do you reckon? Are

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Speaker 1: we overdoing or are these things useful?

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Speaker 2: Well? That the research so far suggests that they aren't

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Speaker 2: particularly useful at all. That what they do do is

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Speaker 2: they increase people's anxiety in advance of something coming up,

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Speaker 2: and that people don't end up avoiding looking at or

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Speaker 2: watching the thing that you're supposed to be not looking

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Speaker 2: at or watching. So the research is saying that actually

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Speaker 2: they don't seem to be doing a particularly good job

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Speaker 2: of what we think that they should be doing.

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Speaker 1: Is this part of the modern nods where we just

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Speaker 1: don't want to upset anyone or is there actually good

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Speaker 1: clinical grounding for putting something like this up there like it.

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Speaker 1: Are they basing it in some some good intention?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I think the intention is good. We know

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Speaker 2: that if you have suffered a serious trauma, some sort

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Speaker 2: of abuse or attack or post traumatic stress or sort

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Speaker 2: or something like that, that if you get reminded of

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Speaker 2: that again, it can re trigger off that whole disorder

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Speaker 2: or all those symptoms again. And so there's a good

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Speaker 2: intention behind not doing that. But I think what's happened

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Speaker 2: is that that that the idea about triggering that off

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Speaker 2: has slowly slipped and expanded to cover off a whole

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Speaker 2: lot of things, including now things that make us mildly

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Speaker 2: upset or irritated. And look, that might be good intentions

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Speaker 2: as well, if we did follow the warnings and avoid them,

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Speaker 2: or or they did help us to feel better, But

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Speaker 2: the research shows that that doesn't actually work anyway. So

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Speaker 2: it's got good intentions, but I'm not sure that it's

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Speaker 2: living up to its good intentions. Right.

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Speaker 1: Hey, have you ever watched any films when all TV

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Speaker 1: shows with the stuff, you know, the trigger warnings?

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Speaker 2: Have I watched them with a trigger warning? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the trigger warnings?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, I just generally disregard them. Actually,

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Speaker 2: there's an interesting there's an interesting effect that they find.

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Speaker 2: It's called the Pandora effect or the forbidden fruit effect

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Speaker 2: that often when you put a trigger warning on people

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Speaker 2: tend to watch it even more because they go, oh,

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Speaker 2: there might be something juicy in here, and we better

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Speaker 2: watch it. So it sometimes has the reverse effect that

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Speaker 2: what you want it to do.

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Speaker 1: Interesting stuff, Google, thanks for talking us through. Appreciative man.

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Speaker 1: That's Google Sutherland Clinical Psychologists. For more from Heather Duplicy

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