WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 182: Assessing the Black Caps squad for subcontinent 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sad B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:15.213 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.333 --> 0:00:21.413 iHeartRadio and take another pat. 0:00:21.493 --> 0:00:25.813 Now it's Rick, it is out. The test is over. 0:00:28.453 --> 0:00:31.813 Smoke oh wow, promos a beauty. It is out and 0:00:31.893 --> 0:00:34.293 here he goes. This delivery has in many years of. 0:00:34.333 --> 0:00:39.653 The Bold on the Front Foot with Brian Wabble and 0:00:39.773 --> 0:00:44.813 Jeremy Cody, powered by News Talks head B at iHeartRadio. 0:00:47.053 --> 0:00:49.933 Hello, nice to have you back on the front footfullness 0:00:49.973 --> 0:00:52.653 once more. This week the new faces in the Black 0:00:52.653 --> 0:00:55.573 Cats touring team will be five's Good Options for the 0:00:55.653 --> 0:01:00.173 tests against Afghanistan and Sri Lanka. Michael Bracewell is back 0:01:00.213 --> 0:01:04.333 in the squad and remember this returns to a milestone 0:01:04.533 --> 0:01:07.493 sixty years ago. I'm sure one that will strike a 0:01:07.573 --> 0:01:09.973 chord with most peop that coming up shortly so to 0:01:10.133 --> 0:01:13.253 Michael Brachwell joins us with an assessment of the challenge 0:01:13.253 --> 0:01:16.893 ahead as he sees it. But the team. Firstly, Gary 0:01:16.973 --> 0:01:19.333 Stead on the return of Rachel to the test squad 0:01:19.853 --> 0:01:23.213 and the other issues they faced selecting the fifteen man squad. 0:01:23.453 --> 0:01:27.933 Yeah, I mean obviously three tests in Asia that we've 0:01:27.973 --> 0:01:30.733 named the squad for and Michael hasn't played for eighteen 0:01:30.773 --> 0:01:33.933 months he had that serious achilles injury, but it's great 0:01:33.933 --> 0:01:38.213 to see him back and he had promising spells I 0:01:38.213 --> 0:01:40.133 think at the end of the season there for Wellington 0:01:40.173 --> 0:01:42.093 when he was making his way back into the team. 0:01:42.213 --> 0:01:46.813 So he'll provides some experience and being in agent conditions, 0:01:46.853 --> 0:01:49.253 He's played over there before, so it's nice to be 0:01:49.253 --> 0:01:50.733 able to welcome him back into the squad. 0:01:50.933 --> 0:01:54.693 Although Ben says what will this experience be like for them? 0:01:55.013 --> 0:01:57.893 Yeah, look, I mean it's their first time on away tours. 0:01:59.373 --> 0:02:01.533 Have had some success here at home, but they are 0:02:01.613 --> 0:02:06.373 new into their international careers. But we're excited with both 0:02:06.413 --> 0:02:08.893 of them, and I guess they're different points of difference 0:02:08.933 --> 0:02:11.173 that they do bring to the squad as well. So 0:02:11.733 --> 0:02:13.973 it gives us the opportunity, I think, to look at 0:02:13.973 --> 0:02:16.853 our pace bowling stops and keep planning ahead for the 0:02:16.853 --> 0:02:19.213 future to make sure that they're strong as possible. 0:02:19.973 --> 0:02:20.973 Yeah, I think so. 0:02:21.133 --> 0:02:23.213 I mean we've selected them because we think that and 0:02:23.933 --> 0:02:27.813 they're exciting players. So look, I think it's unlikely that 0:02:27.893 --> 0:02:30.893 our pace bowlers will play all. We've got nine tests 0:02:30.933 --> 0:02:33.533 coming up in the next three months, so there may 0:02:33.533 --> 0:02:35.973 be the opportunity for those guys to be in the 0:02:36.333 --> 0:02:39.213 starting elevens at different times as well, and that's something 0:02:39.253 --> 0:02:41.573 we'll manage when we're over there. Well, they're not a 0:02:41.573 --> 0:02:43.653 team that's played a lot of Test match cricket, but 0:02:43.973 --> 0:02:46.373 I guess for us leading into the World Test Championship, 0:02:46.493 --> 0:02:49.293 it's great for us to be able to get a 0:02:49.373 --> 0:02:53.133 live game as such that we get to put our 0:02:53.173 --> 0:02:56.013 players in the roles of our game play and get 0:02:56.053 --> 0:02:58.773 out there and compete with them. They're obviously a strong 0:02:58.813 --> 0:03:01.853 spin based team as well and have some real strengths 0:03:01.853 --> 0:03:05.573 in those areas. So again great, great preparation for what's 0:03:05.613 --> 0:03:08.733 ahead of us, and I've got very very skillful players, say, 0:03:09.933 --> 0:03:12.653 I mean, I don't manage Afghanistan, but but I'm sure 0:03:12.693 --> 0:03:14.573 that they are a team that can play test make 0:03:14.573 --> 0:03:15.213 it in the future. 0:03:15.733 --> 0:03:18.933 Gary Stair, New Zealand coach, Well, our chance to assess 0:03:19.013 --> 0:03:22.853 what they face and the team to me in India 0:03:22.893 --> 0:03:26.693 and Sri Lanka against quality opposition, we can't underestimate the 0:03:26.813 --> 0:03:31.013 task ahead. We've invited former Test player John Parker to 0:03:31.093 --> 0:03:34.373 join Jerry and I. Yeah, the old team back together. 0:03:37.093 --> 0:03:38.213 I think when it comes to. 0:03:39.813 --> 0:03:42.093 What I see in front of me, which you are 0:03:42.333 --> 0:03:49.013 fortunate enough listeners not to have to see. But Jerry, 0:03:49.133 --> 0:03:52.173 we've talked about this series during the last few programs. 0:03:52.853 --> 0:03:56.973 Your initial assessment is this our best team available to 0:03:57.013 --> 0:03:58.013 cover all the bases. 0:04:00.013 --> 0:04:05.133 I think there's one position might change, but betting predictable. 0:04:05.413 --> 0:04:10.693 I think as expected Lathan, con Way, Williamson, Mitchell, Revendra, Phillipson, 0:04:10.733 --> 0:04:15.053 Blundele you would expect of perhaps if they were all 0:04:15.093 --> 0:04:21.253 available with their contracts that they've just gone through. That's 0:04:21.373 --> 0:04:28.773 pretty much as predicted. I think so some of us. 0:04:28.813 --> 0:04:33.853 Whether the number that goes beside those people you might change, 0:04:33.973 --> 0:04:39.733 maybe Mitchell and Revendra around that's some of you know, 0:04:39.893 --> 0:04:41.973 either of you two may feel a bit more strongly 0:04:42.053 --> 0:04:47.893 about that, whether you want the left right combination, or 0:04:47.933 --> 0:04:51.213 whether you want someone coming at the ball like Mitchell 0:04:52.333 --> 0:04:54.773 to go with somebody who hangs back a little bit 0:04:54.813 --> 0:04:58.773 more so you get variety and force the bowlers to 0:04:58.773 --> 0:05:02.173 bowl at different links. They're both shot makers, Revendra and Mitchell. 0:05:02.653 --> 0:05:06.693 Mitchell alters by going at the bowl or a bit more. 0:05:06.813 --> 0:05:09.613 Revendra hangs back in the crew a bit more. But 0:05:09.813 --> 0:05:12.733 you know that's pretty predictable, wouldn't you say, Fellers about 0:05:12.773 --> 0:05:14.893 the batting component of this group. 0:05:15.453 --> 0:05:17.453 Yeah, pretty much. I think they've picked a side that 0:05:18.373 --> 0:05:21.133 will do the job and ecquit themselves. Well, John Parker, 0:05:22.213 --> 0:05:24.773 you've had a chance to watch New Zealand over the years. 0:05:24.773 --> 0:05:26.693 You might not have seen much of them in recent times. 0:05:26.933 --> 0:05:32.493 None of us have. But really the top order is 0:05:32.613 --> 0:05:37.093 one that have got players capable of delivering the runs 0:05:37.133 --> 0:05:39.653 New Zealand needs in a tough assignment like this. 0:05:40.053 --> 0:05:43.773 Certainly some imaginative batters, there's no doubt about that. What 0:05:44.653 --> 0:05:50.613 I find a little bit confusing is the fact that 0:05:50.733 --> 0:05:55.613 because boundaries are shorter, grounds are smaller, more strokes aren't employed, 0:05:55.653 --> 0:05:57.253 and that you don't have to edit so fair you 0:05:57.253 --> 0:06:00.653 don't have to do it ninety any longer to get 0:06:00.693 --> 0:06:04.933 a boundary. That it doesn't really matter left or right handed. 0:06:05.133 --> 0:06:09.133 That they should be able to play all the strivics. 0:06:09.613 --> 0:06:13.453 Some obviously love to charge down the wicket to attack 0:06:13.773 --> 0:06:17.053 the bowler, but because of the boundary of the ground 0:06:17.173 --> 0:06:19.933 sizes that you would think that all the shots become 0:06:19.973 --> 0:06:25.213 options and that the different batsmen can fulfill different roles. 0:06:25.733 --> 0:06:28.853 I still enjoy watching India play that. If things look 0:06:28.893 --> 0:06:31.613 a bit shaky at the start, they just push the 0:06:31.653 --> 0:06:36.613 ball around in twenty twenty terms for fifteen overs and 0:06:36.653 --> 0:06:40.053 then expect to go at fifteen, sixteen or seventeen runs 0:06:40.093 --> 0:06:42.613 and over in the last five. So they still believe 0:06:42.613 --> 0:06:46.093 that wickets in hand are important. And I enjoy sort 0:06:46.093 --> 0:06:48.733 of watching all of that, sort of say poly he's 0:06:48.733 --> 0:06:50.773 still we and he goes at about one hundred and twenty 0:06:50.813 --> 0:06:54.533 when he's going well, and sometimes Bets is not out 0:06:54.533 --> 0:06:56.973 of the end at a run and ball, and they 0:06:57.213 --> 0:06:59.973 still seem to win games. So their focus is on 0:07:00.053 --> 0:07:02.533 winning games. I'm not sure that ours is always on 0:07:03.413 --> 0:07:07.253 winning games. It all seems to be strategies and strike 0:07:07.373 --> 0:07:10.333 rates and all those to things. But certainly our batsmen 0:07:11.173 --> 0:07:14.773 have proven themselves and over the years they're imaginative, they're skillful, 0:07:14.813 --> 0:07:17.813 they're athletic and very competent. 0:07:18.533 --> 0:07:23.253 I think we go from their dag to the interesting ward. 0:07:23.373 --> 0:07:27.373 I find them slightly more interesting component about this group, 0:07:29.013 --> 0:07:31.093 you know, once you get down to seven, it's then 0:07:31.173 --> 0:07:34.893 eight nineteen eleven, and you start to look at balancing 0:07:34.933 --> 0:07:39.213 the side. When you go to a place like India 0:07:39.893 --> 0:07:43.773 or Sri Lanka both equally, you know, have pictures that 0:07:43.893 --> 0:07:49.333 still generally turn more than certainly in New Zealand and 0:07:49.373 --> 0:07:54.733 that number eight position you are required to score runs nowadays. 0:07:54.773 --> 0:07:57.333 I think that's that's pretty fair. I mean, you look 0:07:57.373 --> 0:08:01.093 at Australia, it's Cummings or Stark and they're averaging twenty 0:08:01.093 --> 0:08:04.973 odd unless Carey goes down to eight with the's a 0:08:05.093 --> 0:08:08.613 night watchman going. He's got an average of thirty and 0:08:08.653 --> 0:08:12.613 that's test averages. England have got ben folks who have 0:08:12.693 --> 0:08:17.853 been there recently and even more recently Chris Wokes. They're averaging, 0:08:18.253 --> 0:08:22.173 you know, high twenties, twenty nine, thirty. And then you 0:08:22.253 --> 0:08:25.653 go to India and you get people like Ashwyn averaging 0:08:25.693 --> 0:08:28.733 twenty six. And there's a guy the keeper there, new keeper. 0:08:28.813 --> 0:08:33.573 He's only played three tests, Drew durrell As I say, 0:08:33.613 --> 0:08:39.013 three tests, but he's averaging sixty three. So you need 0:08:39.133 --> 0:08:43.093 runs now. If you look at our number potential number eights, 0:08:43.573 --> 0:08:46.533 I personally think going to Asia you need to have 0:08:46.573 --> 0:08:48.613 a spinner. You've got to have a spinner in there 0:08:48.613 --> 0:08:52.613 if you can. And the only two or there are 0:08:52.653 --> 0:08:57.013 three main spinners. Wad said five. But I'm a sure 0:08:57.053 --> 0:08:59.493 it's quite nice that we've been handy. We've got two 0:08:59.573 --> 0:09:03.613 half spinners who bat in the top six. But I'm 0:09:03.653 --> 0:09:07.493 thinking Bracewell, Santner and Patel have been listed in this 0:09:07.613 --> 0:09:11.653 particular sk squad, and I suppose of those two, Betel 0:09:11.653 --> 0:09:15.573 would fall out of the batting option, and so it 0:09:15.613 --> 0:09:21.573 becomes one between Bracewoolen Sanner to bat that number seven position. Oh, sorry, 0:09:21.613 --> 0:09:22.893 eight position. What do you think? 0:09:23.693 --> 0:09:27.533 I think the issue for New Zealand with the spinners 0:09:27.773 --> 0:09:32.253 is that they're different to the spinning combinations of every 0:09:32.293 --> 0:09:34.733 of most other countries, well every other country, and that 0:09:35.453 --> 0:09:38.613 the basis the foundations of the spin attack for other 0:09:38.653 --> 0:09:42.773 countries is a league spinner, right arm leg spinner who 0:09:42.813 --> 0:09:47.533 bowls at sort of ninety five k's an hour, can 0:09:47.613 --> 0:09:50.293 drop it slower, can bowl it a bit quicker, but 0:09:50.413 --> 0:09:53.053 can also get the ball to loop and to spin, 0:09:53.293 --> 0:09:57.933 and that's a pretty good combination really, And when twenty 0:09:57.973 --> 0:10:00.413 twenty came in, they thought spinners, that was the end 0:10:00.453 --> 0:10:03.453 of league spinners. Well, of course, the knowing people knew 0:10:03.453 --> 0:10:05.653 that it wouldn't be the case. It would be the 0:10:06.693 --> 0:10:10.013 rise of league spinners, and so it's turned out to 0:10:10.053 --> 0:10:13.973 be New Zealand doesn't seem to have mastered that or 0:10:14.333 --> 0:10:16.693 I'm not sure, of course, what they're doing behind the scenes. 0:10:16.733 --> 0:10:19.773 Hopefully they're going around the country. You're trying to spot 0:10:19.853 --> 0:10:23.573 young league spinners who can bowl at that sort of 0:10:23.573 --> 0:10:26.333 speed and with those sort of skills. And the other 0:10:26.413 --> 0:10:30.253 issue is that the finger spinners and other countries all 0:10:30.733 --> 0:10:33.733 have great boundaries of deceit. 0:10:33.933 --> 0:10:35.413 They can do lots of things. 0:10:35.653 --> 0:10:38.653 Even as a finger spinner, which was the great skill 0:10:38.693 --> 0:10:42.173 of Vittori, Vittori had a lot of deception, had a 0:10:42.173 --> 0:10:44.733 lot of options, a lot of variations. And you look 0:10:44.773 --> 0:10:48.053 at Ashwyn, he doesn't sort of bother too much about 0:10:48.053 --> 0:10:50.773 the fielding. He can bat, but he just bowls and 0:10:50.813 --> 0:10:54.693 his deception is quite extraordinary. And I'm not sure that 0:10:54.733 --> 0:10:58.413 our finger spinners have that same sort of deception. So 0:10:58.493 --> 0:11:01.093 I think our makeup of our spinners is different to 0:11:01.133 --> 0:11:04.573 most countries and I think that's where we struggle. And 0:11:04.613 --> 0:11:07.173 because of that, I don't think we manage a spinners 0:11:07.293 --> 0:11:12.773 very well. Think we understand how spinners operate, how they think, 0:11:12.973 --> 0:11:16.293 how they need to think, and how other country spinners 0:11:16.293 --> 0:11:19.413 think and operate. I'm not sure we've come to grips 0:11:19.413 --> 0:11:21.173 with the management of them. 0:11:21.733 --> 0:11:26.453 It's interesting, isn't it that you've got braceful who kind 0:11:26.453 --> 0:11:29.773 of put gets the ball up and then down. He's 0:11:29.893 --> 0:11:34.653 that type of spinner. Center isn't quite so much, even 0:11:34.693 --> 0:11:38.053 though he's developing. I think he's changed as a spinner 0:11:38.093 --> 0:11:39.893 over the years. He's getting on now. I mean he's 0:11:39.933 --> 0:11:43.773 thirty thirty two, thirty three is around there. In fact, 0:11:43.813 --> 0:11:46.773 most of them are about that age nowadays in the 0:11:46.813 --> 0:11:51.053 New Zealand side. But he's he's he's more interested in 0:11:51.133 --> 0:11:54.693 wickets than he is which is an odd things to say, 0:11:54.853 --> 0:11:56.973 isn't it. But he didn't used to. He used to 0:11:56.973 --> 0:12:01.493 be interested in made and yet in bowling maidens, and 0:12:01.533 --> 0:12:04.973 that's how he was used for New Zealand. Now I 0:12:05.013 --> 0:12:09.773 see him tossing the ball up slightly, why trying and 0:12:09.813 --> 0:12:13.253 then skidding one through an arm actually an armball coming 0:12:13.293 --> 0:12:15.493 back in. You don't hear about the armball too much 0:12:15.533 --> 0:12:20.733 nowadays from spinners. But Bracewell is quite a big turner 0:12:20.813 --> 0:12:24.213 of the ball goes through a few more runs. Hasn't 0:12:24.213 --> 0:12:27.733 played much Test cricket, only eight Tests. He's getting three 0:12:27.813 --> 0:12:31.253 a Test At the moment. It sounds from you, daggy, 0:12:31.293 --> 0:12:33.453 you would like to have Sody in the side. I 0:12:33.453 --> 0:12:36.613 don't know from what your comments about legs spin, But 0:12:36.733 --> 0:12:41.453 I find him personally when he gets hit, he loses it. 0:12:41.533 --> 0:12:45.373 He can't come back quite so well. He's a bit vulnerable, 0:12:45.453 --> 0:12:49.613 could I say put it that way. And he doesn't 0:12:49.653 --> 0:12:53.533 field nowadays and doesn't give us much with the bat either, 0:12:53.773 --> 0:12:57.413 and when has he won us a test? So I 0:12:58.013 --> 0:13:00.813 just he hasn't made this group. He's one of the 0:13:00.853 --> 0:13:04.173 few who's been left out with Duffy and Jamison to 0:13:04.253 --> 0:13:05.053 make this group. 0:13:06.213 --> 0:13:09.733 I think the treatment of so is an example of 0:13:09.733 --> 0:13:12.533 what I was saying, a young fellow many years ago 0:13:12.573 --> 0:13:17.813 who showed talent and should have been nursed through and encouraged. 0:13:17.813 --> 0:13:20.933 And I think there are issues with his action. I 0:13:20.973 --> 0:13:24.573 don't think it's the best that it could be. But 0:13:24.773 --> 0:13:28.933 even accepting that that a lot of other bowlers bowl 0:13:29.053 --> 0:13:32.053 very well with unusual actions, which adds to their variation 0:13:32.373 --> 0:13:35.853 and their deception. But I don't think he's been managed 0:13:35.973 --> 0:13:39.453 very well. So I'm not sure that he's the answer now. 0:13:39.653 --> 0:13:44.333 But you just need that type of league spin bowler 0:13:44.413 --> 0:13:46.773 that bowls that quickly, can still turn it a bit 0:13:47.253 --> 0:13:48.813 and can get the ball to to. 0:13:49.813 --> 0:13:50.853 Have an arc to arc. 0:13:51.373 --> 0:13:54.453 But it's still at that ninety five ninety seven CA's 0:13:54.493 --> 0:13:58.013 in our mark. And of course everybody that bowls has 0:13:58.053 --> 0:14:02.933 to bat these days, and everybody that's bats and can ball, 0:14:03.333 --> 0:14:05.613 you know, might be asked to bowling over here and 0:14:05.733 --> 0:14:10.133 over there. So it's certainly those all around skills are important. 0:14:10.213 --> 0:14:13.613 But again I think Sody is the example that I'm 0:14:13.613 --> 0:14:17.213 not sure we understand spinners very well and never have 0:14:17.533 --> 0:14:18.173 to be fair. 0:14:18.293 --> 0:14:20.453 When the under nineteens were at the World Cup, they 0:14:20.493 --> 0:14:23.613 had some developing spinners. I know that's a little early 0:14:23.653 --> 0:14:26.213 on for some of these players, but you know, what 0:14:26.253 --> 0:14:29.133 you say is correct. But I think the other important 0:14:29.133 --> 0:14:32.773 thing you may is you now, even at Test match level, 0:14:33.133 --> 0:14:37.293 have to be able to deliver runs and the athletic 0:14:37.493 --> 0:14:41.173 and valuable in the field. New Zealand's fielding in recent 0:14:41.293 --> 0:14:44.813 times has slipped away. You know, when Steve Rixon was 0:14:45.333 --> 0:14:47.813 the coach of the side, he was hard on the players. 0:14:47.853 --> 0:14:50.613 He made them work pretty hard. And Jeremy, you've spoken 0:14:50.613 --> 0:14:53.053 in the past about times when you've been overseas and 0:14:53.093 --> 0:14:56.693 you've had to work over time at your fielding practice 0:14:56.693 --> 0:14:58.973 to get ready, and it's something that New Zealand doesn't 0:14:59.013 --> 0:15:02.093 do so well. Now take the catches as regularly as 0:15:02.093 --> 0:15:05.853 they did. And the ground fielding too has slipped to 0:15:05.973 --> 0:15:08.053 my mind, and they need to be able to do 0:15:08.133 --> 0:15:11.973 that in places like India and Sri Lanka where they're 0:15:12.013 --> 0:15:12.453 going to be. 0:15:13.453 --> 0:15:16.133 I don't think there's anything any doubt about that, Brian. 0:15:16.413 --> 0:15:18.493 The New Zealand fielding that I've seen in the last 0:15:18.613 --> 0:15:22.973 year or so has definitely dropped away. And we haven't 0:15:23.013 --> 0:15:27.453 got bowlers now as they age slightly, that particularly our 0:15:27.493 --> 0:15:31.373 seemers and particularly in New Zealand, that are not creating 0:15:31.493 --> 0:15:35.133 quite so many chances as they used to. Know. Jamison 0:15:35.173 --> 0:15:40.453 bowling there now and Bolt gone, so we're not getting 0:15:40.493 --> 0:15:43.053 a as many chances to catch the ball and when 0:15:43.093 --> 0:15:47.293 we do, they therefore become more important. And particularly in 0:15:47.333 --> 0:15:50.293 this series of we're playing in Sri Lanka. We've got 0:15:50.333 --> 0:15:53.973 tests there and then playing three Tests against India which 0:15:54.053 --> 0:15:59.133 Dag also played as well in seventy six. So we 0:15:59.173 --> 0:16:02.333 are going to need close in fieldsmen to our spinners. 0:16:02.573 --> 0:16:05.853 We are going to have to somehow, you know, get 0:16:05.853 --> 0:16:09.493 our spinners bowling well enough that we eight chances off 0:16:09.533 --> 0:16:14.173 defensive shots and we need to have those shot those 0:16:14.293 --> 0:16:18.453 catches taken. And I couldn't I couldn't tell you. Perhaps 0:16:18.573 --> 0:16:22.093 Latham is fielded there a bit, but we need two 0:16:22.173 --> 0:16:25.653 or three of them who can actually field and close 0:16:26.933 --> 0:16:32.493 and take catches, being low, being ready, being quick and 0:16:32.533 --> 0:16:39.853 having good you know, athletic responses, anticipating the catch. You 0:16:39.893 --> 0:16:42.933 know the difference between fielding and close in the first 0:16:42.933 --> 0:16:47.893 innings where the picture is slightly better as it is 0:16:47.933 --> 0:16:51.493 in the second innings. Are you are you were half 0:16:51.533 --> 0:16:55.453 a pace back? You know who this batsman does? He 0:16:55.533 --> 0:16:57.853 go at the ball at bit more? Do I follow 0:16:57.933 --> 0:17:01.653 him down the pitch? Loads of things that are close 0:17:01.733 --> 0:17:05.213 in fielder has to be able to do. I've seen 0:17:05.253 --> 0:17:08.493 New Zealand fielders stay where they are on the the 0:17:08.493 --> 0:17:12.253 batsmen go past them, they are effectively out of the game. 0:17:12.693 --> 0:17:15.413 You've got to move along the pitch with them to 0:17:15.533 --> 0:17:20.573 stay relative to yourself where you've started. So look, that's 0:17:20.653 --> 0:17:23.373 just a minor asset of you know, of the game, 0:17:23.413 --> 0:17:27.213 an aspect of the game. But we don't I don't 0:17:27.213 --> 0:17:29.373 get the feeling we really practice it that much. 0:17:30.253 --> 0:17:32.453 I wonder whether the demands on. 0:17:32.453 --> 0:17:35.653 The player these days so as such that we don't 0:17:36.493 --> 0:17:40.893 have the time available to spend doing those sorts of things. 0:17:40.893 --> 0:17:43.213 They seem to be coming from all over the world 0:17:43.253 --> 0:17:46.813 to play a Test match and then disappearing and then 0:17:46.853 --> 0:17:50.813 coming back and then disappear, and I just wonder whether 0:17:50.853 --> 0:17:54.853 the coach has actually got the clear air to actually, 0:17:55.173 --> 0:17:57.693 you know, spend time doing these things. The other point 0:17:57.693 --> 0:18:02.413 that I think is is relevant still is running between wickets. 0:18:02.413 --> 0:18:02.893 You look at. 0:18:02.813 --> 0:18:06.573 Phillips and the other athletes, and most of our guys 0:18:06.613 --> 0:18:08.933 are pretty good athletes. In your you have to be 0:18:09.053 --> 0:18:13.613 these days. As you both said, I still believe that 0:18:13.733 --> 0:18:17.853 if two batsmen have got a commitment to run, I 0:18:17.853 --> 0:18:21.853 don't reckon a fielder can ever run them out. I 0:18:21.933 --> 0:18:25.213 reckon a batsman backing up batsman as long as you 0:18:25.333 --> 0:18:27.013 when you hit it and when you aim to hit 0:18:27.013 --> 0:18:28.453 it in the covers, you actually hit it inunder the 0:18:28.453 --> 0:18:30.613 covers and don't get a thick edge back to the bottler. 0:18:31.333 --> 0:18:32.933 But if you hit it where you want to, I 0:18:32.973 --> 0:18:35.653 don't I still believe that a fielder can't run them 0:18:35.693 --> 0:18:39.773 out because if you hit it and run, like Jeff 0:18:39.773 --> 0:18:43.493 Howff used to and others just you know, knock it 0:18:43.573 --> 0:18:46.333 somewhere and run, I think it's very difficult to be 0:18:46.373 --> 0:18:48.533 run out. So running between wickets, I think is an 0:18:48.533 --> 0:18:53.893 absolute priority and athletes. You know, Phillips gets some runs 0:18:54.453 --> 0:18:58.173 that others probably wouldn't contemplate. But I think if they 0:18:58.253 --> 0:19:02.853 worked on partnerships and understanding, just as Jerry said about 0:19:02.893 --> 0:19:05.693 the field is understanding what's what they're all at the 0:19:05.733 --> 0:19:09.053 angles and the mechanics and what your job is when you're. 0:19:08.893 --> 0:19:13.013 Fielding in close. Yeah, same with running between wickets. 0:19:13.013 --> 0:19:16.533 If that was practiced and understood and talked about and 0:19:16.613 --> 0:19:19.253 rehearsed and all of those things, I still believe that 0:19:19.293 --> 0:19:22.213 it's incredibly difficult to run anybody out. So all those 0:19:22.253 --> 0:19:25.173 sort of things are now under a microscope in the 0:19:25.213 --> 0:19:27.493 modern game, and I think that's fantastic. 0:19:28.013 --> 0:19:29.013 It's skill related. 0:19:29.013 --> 0:19:33.533 They're athletic all of those things, but I'm not convinced 0:19:33.533 --> 0:19:35.813 they have the time to practice all these things. 0:19:36.373 --> 0:19:39.373 Jerry. Obviously spinner is an important part of talking about 0:19:39.413 --> 0:19:43.413 the subcontinent. But for New Zealand, it's a new era 0:19:43.613 --> 0:19:47.853 in seam bowling, isn't it. Many of the top players 0:19:47.893 --> 0:19:50.933 that we've had in the past have retired. Henry and 0:19:51.093 --> 0:19:54.253 the sow they continue to tour away with the New 0:19:54.333 --> 0:19:59.013 Zealand side, But what of the seam bowling component, Because 0:19:59.013 --> 0:20:00.653 that's going to be an important part as well. 0:20:01.173 --> 0:20:04.013 It is, Brian. It always has been for New Zealanders, 0:20:04.053 --> 0:20:08.653 hasn't it. They always play an important role with the ball. 0:20:09.173 --> 0:20:16.413 They've picked four seemers in this squad, Sears and O'Rourke. 0:20:16.893 --> 0:20:21.373 Please to see them there. They are the future and 0:20:21.493 --> 0:20:24.613 we need to develop and supply some games and experience 0:20:24.733 --> 0:20:27.813 to them. Hopefully they can get the odd success over there. 0:20:27.853 --> 0:20:30.693 Not quite so easy of course, with less grass on 0:20:30.733 --> 0:20:34.573 the surfaces, but if they can somehow learn maybe to 0:20:34.653 --> 0:20:37.613 start to reverse swing the ball so they get a 0:20:37.693 --> 0:20:40.813 chance to use the new ball with conventional swing, and 0:20:40.853 --> 0:20:43.573 then later as the ball gets older, they can still 0:20:43.613 --> 0:20:47.773 come into the innings for New Zealand. So one of 0:20:47.773 --> 0:20:50.573 those I would think would play in each Test. I 0:20:50.573 --> 0:20:55.733 would hope so, and they will develop from there. Henry 0:20:55.813 --> 0:20:58.933 is our most consistent bowler. He's the most used. He 0:20:58.973 --> 0:21:03.093 bowls the overs and gets most batsmen out and if not, 0:21:03.413 --> 0:21:05.213 if that's not the case, you can set a field 0:21:05.253 --> 0:21:08.093 because he's accurate, you can defend with him as well. 0:21:08.613 --> 0:21:13.453 So that leaves Saudi. Saudi will be probably fighting for 0:21:13.533 --> 0:21:16.613 a position in his side with Henry's Actually he's not 0:21:16.973 --> 0:21:20.333 the kind of bowl that you would expect to take 0:21:20.373 --> 0:21:23.293 the place of Sears or O'Rourke. The only time I 0:21:23.293 --> 0:21:27.413 can see Soudi playing and the subcontinent is when perhaps 0:21:27.453 --> 0:21:32.653 the pitch is expected to be up and down or 0:21:32.773 --> 0:21:37.453 holding a lot or variable and bounce. If you get 0:21:37.493 --> 0:21:40.333 patchy pictures of grass here and then lots of sort 0:21:40.333 --> 0:21:42.973 of bear dirt around it and so on, those kinds 0:21:42.973 --> 0:21:47.333 of pictures, that might bring Soudi into the side. But 0:21:47.453 --> 0:21:50.693 other than that, I can't really see him planning. I 0:21:50.693 --> 0:21:54.733 can understand stead saying he may not play all the 0:21:54.773 --> 0:21:57.933 Test matches over there and kind of in preparation for 0:21:58.053 --> 0:22:03.653 that sort of thing actually occurring. So that's the side 0:22:03.653 --> 0:22:05.893 I don't I think we'll probably play two. We may 0:22:05.933 --> 0:22:10.013 play three, depending on conditions of sea. So that might 0:22:10.053 --> 0:22:13.653 be the possibility of playing two of the three spinners 0:22:13.693 --> 0:22:15.573 we've talked about earlier. 0:22:16.533 --> 0:22:19.373 Yeah, indeed, and I suppose the likes of seas and 0:22:19.573 --> 0:22:21.853 are or have to learn somewhere. I mean, it's not 0:22:22.173 --> 0:22:25.053 the ideal place to learn the Test arena, but you know, 0:22:25.093 --> 0:22:27.333 they don't get many other opportunities at the top level. 0:22:27.413 --> 0:22:31.253 So they've shown last year that they have the capacity 0:22:31.333 --> 0:22:34.133 to stand up at Test match level. This will be 0:22:34.173 --> 0:22:35.933 a real test for them, won't. 0:22:36.653 --> 0:22:38.733 Yes, it will be, but it's. 0:22:40.173 --> 0:22:44.413 Not easy for them. They'll work hard. They perhaps might 0:22:44.453 --> 0:22:46.533 not be if it's hot, they might not bold quite 0:22:46.613 --> 0:22:50.253 so many overs in a spell, but they'll still be 0:22:50.373 --> 0:22:53.533 expected to come back and do their part and do 0:22:53.653 --> 0:22:58.133 their bit in the bowling order. So it's a good 0:22:58.173 --> 0:23:00.813 tour for them to go away. No one holds high 0:23:00.933 --> 0:23:05.173 expectations of them, but they can still learn a great deal. 0:23:06.053 --> 0:23:09.493 So yeah, important tour for those two new fast bowlers. 0:23:10.613 --> 0:23:13.813 The other thing though, parts that to me of interest 0:23:13.853 --> 0:23:16.893 as we talk about spin and the requirements of spin 0:23:17.093 --> 0:23:21.293 in the subcontinent and being able to bowl spin, but 0:23:21.373 --> 0:23:25.573 what about playing spin as a batsman. Do we have 0:23:25.693 --> 0:23:29.133 players who are capable of playing spin? I think we've 0:23:29.173 --> 0:23:34.013 seen Ravendra is one who has developed the talent. Mitchell 0:23:34.333 --> 0:23:37.053 does like to get down the pitch a little bit. 0:23:37.373 --> 0:23:42.053 Do our batsmen play spin as well as they could do? 0:23:42.093 --> 0:23:44.453 They've been under pressure at times even in New Zealand. 0:23:44.533 --> 0:23:46.813 Nathan Lyomhen he came out to New Zealand put a 0:23:46.893 --> 0:23:51.493 lot of pressure on our batsmen. Any special techniques you 0:23:51.573 --> 0:23:54.693 have to apply in the subcontinent. 0:23:54.973 --> 0:23:58.253 Well, I think playing spinners anywhere, there are, of course, 0:23:58.333 --> 0:24:02.373 some basic strategies that you need on The first thing 0:24:02.453 --> 0:24:04.173