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Speaker 2: Hello, nice to have you back on the front footfullness

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Speaker 2: once more. This week the new faces in the Black

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Speaker 2: Cats touring team will be five's Good Options for the

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Speaker 2: tests against Afghanistan and Sri Lanka. Michael Bracewell is back

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Speaker 2: in the squad and remember this returns to a milestone

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Speaker 2: sixty years ago. I'm sure one that will strike a

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Speaker 2: chord with most peop that coming up shortly so to

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Speaker 2: Michael Brachwell joins us with an assessment of the challenge

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Speaker 2: ahead as he sees it. But the team. Firstly, Gary

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Speaker 2: Stead on the return of Rachel to the test squad

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Speaker 2: and the other issues they faced selecting the fifteen man squad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean obviously three tests in Asia that we've

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Speaker 3: named the squad for and Michael hasn't played for eighteen

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Speaker 3: months he had that serious achilles injury, but it's great

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Speaker 3: think at the end of the season there for Wellington

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Speaker 3: when he was making his way back into the team.

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Speaker 3: So he'll provides some experience and being in agent conditions,

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Speaker 3: He's played over there before, so it's nice to be

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Speaker 4: Although Ben says what will this experience be like for them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I mean it's their first time on away tours.

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Speaker 3: of them, and I guess they're different points of difference

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Speaker 3: that they do bring to the squad as well. So

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Speaker 3: it gives us the opportunity, I think, to look at

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: I mean we've selected them because we think that and

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Speaker 3: our pace bowlers will play all. We've got nine tests

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Speaker 3: starting elevens at different times as well, and that's something

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Speaker 3: we'll manage when we're over there. Well, they're not a

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Speaker 3: team that's played a lot of Test match cricket, but

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Speaker 3: in those areas. So again great, great preparation for what's

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't manage Afghanistan, but but I'm sure

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Speaker 2: Gary Stair, New Zealand coach, Well, our chance to assess

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Speaker 2: task ahead. We've invited former Test player John Parker to

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Speaker 2: join Jerry and I. Yeah, the old team back together.

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Speaker 5: I think when it comes to.

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Speaker 2: What I see in front of me, which you are

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Speaker 2: we've talked about this series during the last few programs.

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Speaker 2: Your initial assessment is this our best team available to

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Speaker 6: I think there's one position might change, but betting predictable.

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Speaker 6: Whether the number that goes beside those people you might change,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. I think they've picked a side that

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Speaker 2: You might not have seen much of them in recent times.

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Speaker 7: Certainly some imaginative batters, there's no doubt about that. What

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Speaker 7: I still enjoy watching India play that. If things look

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Speaker 7: I think the issue for New Zealand with the spinners

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Speaker 6: It's interesting, isn't it that you've got braceful who kind

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Speaker 6: isn't it. But he didn't used to. He used to

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Speaker 6: I find him personally when he gets hit, he loses it.

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Speaker 7: I believe is to always go into middle of leg

431
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Speaker 7: when the ball is relatively close to you, even if

432
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Speaker 7: it's outside the off stump, but go into the middle

433
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Speaker 7: of the league and then that opens up all of

434
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Speaker 7: the off side. When we see our players, I think

435
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Speaker 7: more often than not going across to off stump and

436
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Speaker 7: trying to work it onto the on side, which an

437
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Speaker 7: actual fact, you're playing across the line of the ball

438
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Speaker 7: that's outside your off stump. Coming in the line is

439
00:25:41,413 --> 00:25:44,133
Speaker 7: from sort of extra cover to your stumps, and we

440
00:25:44,173 --> 00:25:46,453
Speaker 7: want to get outside the line having our bat coming

441
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Speaker 7: from third slip across the mid on midwicket, so you've

442
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Speaker 7: got a very small area in which you can make

443
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Speaker 7: contact with the ball. When you see the Indian players,

444
00:25:56,893 --> 00:26:00,693
Speaker 7: the very good players of spinners, they're going into midland

445
00:26:00,773 --> 00:26:04,053
Speaker 7: league and hitting that ball on the back foot through

446
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Speaker 7: the covers, which then poses a huge problem for the

447
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Speaker 7: captain with placing the field. Also, if the ball is

448
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Speaker 7: slightly wider and doesn't spin, the late catadon or the

449
00:26:15,973 --> 00:26:19,133
Speaker 7: square cut or or the forty five on the off

450
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Speaker 7: side is all available when you go into Middland League,

451
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Speaker 7: not into middle and off or off stump.

452
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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, well, I mean the reason I asked Parks

453
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Speaker 6: to come on this one was is because Parks taught me,

454
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Speaker 6: you know, spin one oh one when I was playing

455
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Speaker 6: tests and you know, some of the sort of the

456
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Speaker 6: trucks if you like, in the central matters. I remember

457
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Speaker 6: him sitting me down and saying, let the ball come, Jeremy,

458
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Speaker 6: just wait, just wait a while, you know. And if

459
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Speaker 6: you're going to get forward, as he says, get forward late,

460
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Speaker 6: but get forward quite well, you know, or go back,

461
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Speaker 6: go back well, So you give yourself a chance to

462
00:27:01,173 --> 00:27:04,733
Speaker 6: adjust to the ball and you've got time to see it,

463
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Speaker 6: in other words, and react to it. So that's that

464
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Speaker 6: those with the sort of things that you need any

465
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Speaker 6: other thing about defending part, what about attacking it? The

466
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Speaker 6: general ways of getting them. There are points I think

467
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Speaker 6: with spinners where they're dangerous and they call it the

468
00:27:24,973 --> 00:27:29,133
Speaker 6: interception point nowadays, if you can, if you can get

469
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Speaker 6: a batsman playing when the ball is perhaps two meters

470
00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:38,253
Speaker 6: away from you and you're continually the batsman is continually playing,

471
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Speaker 6: that can be quite a tricky length for you as

472
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Speaker 6: a batsman, and the average of batsmen get dropped quite

473
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Speaker 6: dramatically if they continue to play, giving the ball amount

474
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Speaker 6: of an amount of time to for turn or for

475
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Speaker 6: drift or for whatever. If you are not quite to

476
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Speaker 6: the pitch of the ball where you can smother it,

477
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Speaker 6: so you tend to want to go back to those

478
00:28:05,853 --> 00:28:08,293
Speaker 6: But then it's a bit close and you feel uncomfortable.

479
00:28:08,493 --> 00:28:11,173
Speaker 6: You're good with your hands and your wrists and so on,

480
00:28:12,013 --> 00:28:15,053
Speaker 6: it can slide into your pad and so on. So

481
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Speaker 6: that's the kind of length I'm talking about, an interception point.

482
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Speaker 6: The way to attack that it seems to me, as

483
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Speaker 6: you've described going down the wicket, perhaps not a charge

484
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Speaker 6: or you'll find a lot of the players nowadays will

485
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Speaker 6: sweep because as you sweep, you're doing it from the

486
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Speaker 6: front foot, You've got your hair, arms out straight, and

487
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Speaker 6: with your bat as well the length of your bat,

488
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Speaker 6: you're about.

489
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Speaker 5: A meter closer to the ball.

490
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Speaker 6: Anyway, the trouble is with that you can handle sideways movement,

491
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Speaker 6: you can't handle bounce so much. If there are variations

492
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Speaker 6: and bounce. What are your thoughts about attack as opposed

493
00:28:56,773 --> 00:28:58,573
Speaker 6: to defense the.

494
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Speaker 7: Spin, Well, I think mixing both of those up is

495
00:29:04,093 --> 00:29:07,973
Speaker 7: important so that when they tend to err on the

496
00:29:08,013 --> 00:29:11,173
Speaker 7: back foot these days, and they are very aware of

497
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Speaker 7: where their stumps are and where the balls pitch. So

498
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Speaker 7: a line between where the ball pitched and there's stumps

499
00:29:17,013 --> 00:29:20,373
Speaker 7: is that's the default line that if you're not sure

500
00:29:20,413 --> 00:29:23,933
Speaker 7: what's happening, you imagine that the ball is always going

501
00:29:23,973 --> 00:29:25,773
Speaker 7: to hit your stumps, so you're ready for that.

502
00:29:26,093 --> 00:29:26,853
Speaker 5: And if it's.

503
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Speaker 7: Slightly wider than that, you might be able to guide

504
00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:32,173
Speaker 7: it down for a single or lake cutted or whatever.

505
00:29:33,013 --> 00:29:35,573
Speaker 7: So but I would I think I think sweeping is

506
00:29:35,573 --> 00:29:39,293
Speaker 7: a good option, but the sweep should be as technical

507
00:29:39,333 --> 00:29:42,933
Speaker 7: as other strokes, in that you watch Joe root sweep,

508
00:29:42,973 --> 00:29:46,773
Speaker 7: he sweeps too much for me, but he comes from

509
00:29:46,813 --> 00:29:51,293
Speaker 7: above it and comes down on the ball, so he

510
00:29:50,773 --> 00:29:53,693
Speaker 7: is trying to hit the ball on the ground, or

511
00:29:53,733 --> 00:29:56,533
Speaker 7: if he does try to hit it in the air,

512
00:29:56,573 --> 00:29:58,733
Speaker 7: he tries to hit it for six. And I think

513
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Speaker 7: those are the options which have to be black and

514
00:30:01,573 --> 00:30:07,093
Speaker 7: white in a batsman's mind, and they.

515
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Speaker 5: Should use all options.

516
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Speaker 7: The biggest you with a spinner these days is that

517
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Speaker 7: you've got to put pressure on the spinner.

518
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Speaker 5: Going down the wicket. It's a good idea.

519
00:30:16,093 --> 00:30:18,853
Speaker 7: Knocking it for one, or hitting it hard down the

520
00:30:19,413 --> 00:30:22,533
Speaker 7: ground for one, puts in the spinner's mind.

521
00:30:22,333 --> 00:30:24,373
Speaker 5: That or if any coming down the wicket.

522
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Speaker 7: He could smack me for six, So they have to

523
00:30:26,133 --> 00:30:28,493
Speaker 7: drop it a little bit shorter and then they're on

524
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Speaker 7: the back foot to play all of those shots. And

525
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Speaker 7: with the boundaries being so small generally, then pulling the

526
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Speaker 7: ball for six over midwicket is definitely the option. You

527
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Speaker 7: throw the sweep in there, the sweet well executed, then

528
00:30:44,333 --> 00:30:49,453
Speaker 7: the spinner has a tough time. The secret also with

529
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Speaker 7: the sweep is because the bat has to travel such

530
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Speaker 7: a long way from the pick up area from the

531
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Speaker 7: backlift air right round to the front. You've got to

532
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Speaker 7: get into a sweep early, and most people when they sweep,

533
00:31:02,813 --> 00:31:06,013
Speaker 7: they try and sweep it too hard. When you know

534
00:31:06,053 --> 00:31:09,293
Speaker 7: you're you are changing the line of the ball, you're

535
00:31:09,333 --> 00:31:11,573
Speaker 7: adding a bit of power to it, and in the

536
00:31:11,653 --> 00:31:15,333
Speaker 7: short boundaries and things you'll easily get it away for four,

537
00:31:15,893 --> 00:31:19,813
Speaker 7: and a lot of batsmen think in terms of sixes

538
00:31:19,973 --> 00:31:24,333
Speaker 7: rather than fourth. Six fours in an over still adds

539
00:31:24,413 --> 00:31:27,013
Speaker 7: up to twenty fourth quite a lot, and three fours

540
00:31:27,053 --> 00:31:28,813
Speaker 7: an over still adds up to twelve and that's quite

541
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Speaker 7: a lot too, So that all of these strategies have

542
00:31:32,933 --> 00:31:36,573
Speaker 7: to be clear in batsman's minds and why they are

543
00:31:36,613 --> 00:31:39,253
Speaker 7: doing it, why they have to do it, what impact

544
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Speaker 7: will it have on the game and the bowler.

545
00:31:41,613 --> 00:31:43,933
Speaker 2: For Michael Bracewell, it's a return to the Test match

546
00:31:43,933 --> 00:31:47,733
Speaker 2: arena nine games ahead of him after suffering a serious injury.

547
00:31:48,133 --> 00:31:51,013
Speaker 2: He hasn't played a Test since March twenty twenty three,

548
00:31:51,453 --> 00:31:55,533
Speaker 2: almost eighteen months ago. Michael, congratulations on your record of

549
00:31:55,573 --> 00:31:58,973
Speaker 2: the squad after a long time injury break. But I

550
00:31:58,973 --> 00:32:02,053
Speaker 2: guess you still recall the last Test at the basin.

551
00:32:02,693 --> 00:32:06,613
Speaker 8: Yes, I remember sitting in here after the game. I

552
00:32:06,653 --> 00:32:09,253
Speaker 8: think we made chell and could follow on in that

553
00:32:09,293 --> 00:32:12,253
Speaker 8: Test match. So it was a lot of hard work

554
00:32:12,293 --> 00:32:15,893
Speaker 8: that went into that Test win. And I guess part

555
00:32:15,933 --> 00:32:19,373
Speaker 8: of the fond memories of playing Test cricket are sitting

556
00:32:19,373 --> 00:32:21,893
Speaker 8: in the changing rooms after the after the game with

557
00:32:21,933 --> 00:32:25,293
Speaker 8: the guys and really thinking back on and reflecting on

558
00:32:25,773 --> 00:32:28,133
Speaker 8: five days of really hard work to get a result.

559
00:32:28,213 --> 00:32:31,293
Speaker 8: So yeah, I think those are the things that keep

560
00:32:31,613 --> 00:32:34,813
Speaker 8: driving you forward when when you're injured and thinking about

561
00:32:34,853 --> 00:32:38,253
Speaker 8: those times of being around the guys again, and that

562
00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:40,893
Speaker 8: really motivates me to get back into that Test arena.

563
00:32:41,373 --> 00:32:44,253
Speaker 2: That game I think was watching Henry and Cane back,

564
00:32:44,373 --> 00:32:46,733
Speaker 2: wasn't it for five times?

565
00:32:46,853 --> 00:32:47,013
Speaker 9: Yeah?

566
00:32:47,013 --> 00:32:47,333
Speaker 2: It was.

567
00:32:47,373 --> 00:32:50,453
Speaker 8: And then in this in the fourth innings, I think

568
00:32:50,493 --> 00:32:53,733
Speaker 8: that it was so windy that the cameras could only

569
00:32:53,773 --> 00:32:56,013
Speaker 8: operate from one end, So yeah, it was. It was

570
00:32:56,053 --> 00:32:58,653
Speaker 8: an interesting Test match. But I think that's the beauty

571
00:32:58,653 --> 00:33:00,773
Speaker 8: of Test cricket. There's lots of different challenges that you

572
00:33:00,853 --> 00:33:03,853
Speaker 8: come up against and you have to try and overcome

573
00:33:03,893 --> 00:33:06,493
Speaker 8: them and overcome the opposition as well.

574
00:33:06,653 --> 00:33:08,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, nine of them coming up if you get to

575
00:33:08,773 --> 00:33:12,653
Speaker 2: play all of them, it's pretty tough right ahead for

576
00:33:12,733 --> 00:33:15,973
Speaker 2: any cricketer. So you have to be doing a bit

577
00:33:16,013 --> 00:33:17,973
Speaker 2: of work. And I guess you've you been playing overseas,

578
00:33:18,013 --> 00:33:20,093
Speaker 2: haven't you. You've had contracts overseas.

579
00:33:20,293 --> 00:33:23,013
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've been playing in the US more recently. It's

580
00:33:23,573 --> 00:33:26,573
Speaker 8: been nice to get a little bit of game time. Obviously,

581
00:33:26,613 --> 00:33:28,453
Speaker 8: coming off a long layoff, you you just want to

582
00:33:28,453 --> 00:33:30,773
Speaker 8: play as much as you can. So it was great

583
00:33:30,773 --> 00:33:33,453
Speaker 8: to get the last two games of the Plunket Shield

584
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Speaker 8: and at the end of the season and we're fortunate

585
00:33:36,733 --> 00:33:38,893
Speaker 8: in our fourth Wellington to win the Plunket Shield, which

586
00:33:38,933 --> 00:33:42,093
Speaker 8: is a real bonus. It's one of those trophies that

587
00:33:42,213 --> 00:33:44,893
Speaker 8: is pretty hard to win. So it was great to

588
00:33:45,453 --> 00:33:48,813
Speaker 8: link up with the Firebirds boys again and also contribute

589
00:33:48,813 --> 00:33:52,453
Speaker 8: to the win. You want to be going out there

590
00:33:52,453 --> 00:33:54,333
Speaker 8: and putting your best foot forward and I really felt

591
00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:57,253
Speaker 8: like I did that. So it's really nice to be

592
00:33:57,333 --> 00:34:00,813
Speaker 8: recognized again and be called back into that Test squad.

593
00:34:01,133 --> 00:34:04,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, having played the MLC or played in America, you

594
00:34:04,773 --> 00:34:08,373
Speaker 2: now have to change to the test match format. What

595
00:34:08,373 --> 00:34:10,773
Speaker 2: does it mean for you as a spin ball, Well,

596
00:34:10,853 --> 00:34:13,213
Speaker 2: all round her, I suppose, but more or less your

597
00:34:13,293 --> 00:34:17,973
Speaker 2: spin component of your game, because that's what the Subcontinent

598
00:34:18,133 --> 00:34:20,133
Speaker 2: says normally, doesn't it, spin bowlers.

599
00:34:20,333 --> 00:34:23,813
Speaker 8: Yeah, well yeah, history would suggest that spin will play

600
00:34:23,813 --> 00:34:27,413
Speaker 8: a big part in the Subcontinent and I think for

601
00:34:27,533 --> 00:34:32,653
Speaker 8: me personally, I think in the limited overs formats, you

602
00:34:32,653 --> 00:34:35,653
Speaker 8: you have to rely on your change of your variations,

603
00:34:35,693 --> 00:34:38,013
Speaker 8: You change your pace and your change of line and length,

604
00:34:38,053 --> 00:34:40,813
Speaker 8: whereas in Test cricket you've really got to try and

605
00:34:40,933 --> 00:34:43,333
Speaker 8: nail that that line and length for as long as

606
00:34:43,373 --> 00:34:46,853
Speaker 8: you can and if the wickets offering some assistance, then

607
00:34:47,333 --> 00:34:50,413
Speaker 8: that's great. But you're only effective when you're when you're

608
00:34:50,413 --> 00:34:52,653
Speaker 8: holding in that in that zone for a long period

609
00:34:52,693 --> 00:34:54,973
Speaker 8: of time. So that's the adjustment that we have to

610
00:34:55,013 --> 00:34:58,693
Speaker 8: make as spinners, is really nailing our best ball and

611
00:34:59,453 --> 00:35:01,853
Speaker 8: making sure that we're holding in that area for a

612
00:35:01,893 --> 00:35:02,653
Speaker 8: long period of time.

613
00:35:02,773 --> 00:35:04,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about variations. You look around the world

614
00:35:04,933 --> 00:35:07,493
Speaker 2: now spin ballers are starting to re emerge, aren't they.

615
00:35:07,533 --> 00:35:10,093
Speaker 2: England are going to bring a good group when they

616
00:35:10,093 --> 00:35:12,613
Speaker 2: come out. You've got India who in their own conditions

617
00:35:12,733 --> 00:35:15,573
Speaker 2: love it. You've got to have those variations, I suppose,

618
00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:19,693
Speaker 2: and that is the challenge in itself to most polers

619
00:35:19,693 --> 00:35:21,213
Speaker 2: of it. You can always be an off spinner, but

620
00:35:21,213 --> 00:35:22,573
Speaker 2: you've got to have something else, don't you.

621
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think. I think when twenty twenty in particular

622
00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:28,173
Speaker 8: first came in, I think there was a lot of

623
00:35:28,173 --> 00:35:31,093
Speaker 8: people thinking that it would be the death of spin bowling,

624
00:35:31,173 --> 00:35:35,413
Speaker 8: whereas it's almost been the opposite. Spinners have really found

625
00:35:35,413 --> 00:35:38,813
Speaker 8: a role for themselves, and I think players are still

626
00:35:38,813 --> 00:35:41,133
Speaker 8: trying to catch up a little bit in some areas

627
00:35:41,133 --> 00:35:43,973
Speaker 8: of their game in terms of trying to dominate spin.

628
00:35:44,093 --> 00:35:48,213
Speaker 8: And I think it's great for the game playing these

629
00:35:48,253 --> 00:35:51,533
Speaker 8: different formats, but test cricket's definitely the most pure and

630
00:35:52,293 --> 00:35:55,213
Speaker 8: one that this New Zealand team holds very dearly to

631
00:35:55,293 --> 00:35:57,853
Speaker 8: its heart. So we're excited to go over and have

632
00:35:58,013 --> 00:36:01,453
Speaker 8: a big diet of red bull cricket in a row.

633
00:36:01,613 --> 00:36:04,893
Speaker 8: So yeah, it's exciting to get over there, and as

634
00:36:04,893 --> 00:36:07,933
Speaker 8: a spin group, it's really exciting to be able to

635
00:36:07,933 --> 00:36:11,733
Speaker 8: go out there and potentially try and lead the bowling

636
00:36:11,773 --> 00:36:14,733
Speaker 8: attack for a change. We often play second fidd in

637
00:36:14,773 --> 00:36:17,293
Speaker 8: New Zealand to the seam bowlers, so it'll be cool

638
00:36:17,333 --> 00:36:18,893
Speaker 8: to have a little bit of a role reversal.

639
00:36:19,093 --> 00:36:21,693
Speaker 2: Team's going to have five options, basically, isn't he? But

640
00:36:21,893 --> 00:36:24,973
Speaker 2: the all rounder option is also important because you're batting

641
00:36:25,333 --> 00:36:27,653
Speaker 2: Ratchen who's had a good series in America too, doesn't

642
00:36:27,653 --> 00:36:31,253
Speaker 2: he with the ball? And Glenn Phillips are going to

643
00:36:31,293 --> 00:36:34,253
Speaker 2: be important in terms of providing runs because that all

644
00:36:34,373 --> 00:36:38,173
Speaker 2: round a position is important for any captain to be

645
00:36:38,173 --> 00:36:38,693
Speaker 2: able to support.

646
00:36:38,813 --> 00:36:41,133
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the all rounder plays a huge role,

647
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Speaker 8: whether they're a spin bowling arounder or a seema and

648
00:36:44,853 --> 00:36:47,093
Speaker 8: I think we've got the value of having a lot

649
00:36:47,093 --> 00:36:50,893
Speaker 8: of depth in that position. And there's certainly going to

650
00:36:50,933 --> 00:36:53,253
Speaker 8: be some competition for spots when we get over to

651
00:36:54,653 --> 00:36:56,693
Speaker 8: over to India first of all, and then and then

652
00:36:56,733 --> 00:37:00,293
Speaker 8: on to Sri Lanka, so it'll be great to I

653
00:37:00,333 --> 00:37:03,693
Speaker 8: think that's that's the beauty of having great depth in

654
00:37:03,733 --> 00:37:07,773
Speaker 8: the squad is everyone keeps pushing themselves and really trying

655
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Speaker 8: to I guess we've got a great group where everyone

656
00:37:11,053 --> 00:37:14,293
Speaker 8: feeds off each other and improves, which is ultimately great

657
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Speaker 8: for the team as well.

658
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Speaker 2: Initially, I suppose you were as a batsman who bowled

659
00:37:18,053 --> 00:37:19,933
Speaker 2: a little bit you become more of an all rounder

660
00:37:19,973 --> 00:37:22,173
Speaker 2: as such. Now do you see yourself as a batsman

661
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Speaker 2: who bowls or a bowler who bets or is it

662
00:37:24,053 --> 00:37:26,293
Speaker 2: a matter of doing each bit separately?

663
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Speaker 8: And well, I still probably judge myself on my betting first,

664
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Speaker 8: and I think that probably helps my bowling, to be honest,

665
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Speaker 8: I obviously work really hard on it, but I guess

666
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Speaker 8: through the my formative years I was playing a lot

667
00:37:43,613 --> 00:37:46,373
Speaker 8: as a better so you probably judge yourself a little

668
00:37:46,373 --> 00:37:49,053
Speaker 8: bit more critically on the betting and then the bowling's

669
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Speaker 8: a bit of a bonus. But I obviously take that

670
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Speaker 8: a lot more seriously now the bowling than I ever

671
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Speaker 8: did before, So I would still call myself a betting

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Speaker 8: all round it, but I guess my role on the

673
00:37:59,413 --> 00:38:03,733
Speaker 8: side has changed a bit where it'd probably maybe even

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Speaker 8: bordering on the bowler first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just about to head off eight of these chest

676
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Speaker 2: matches for the World Test Championship. So that's a real

677
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Speaker 2: challenge in itself, isn't it, Because New Zealand has got

678
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Speaker 2: a bit of work to do to get above the

679
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Speaker 2: third or fourth place. You shit out at the moment,

680
00:38:18,293 --> 00:38:19,733
Speaker 2: and all the other side to be looking to do

681
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Speaker 2: the same as well.

682
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that the Test Championship provides great context

683
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Speaker 8: to Test cricket and it's been great for the Test

684
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Speaker 8: game and it's cool to see where you're ranking around

685
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Speaker 8: the world and ultimately try and push for that Test

686
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Speaker 8: Championship final. So yeah, we don't like to look too

687
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Speaker 8: far ahead, but we'll be taking that one game in

688
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Speaker 8: one session at the time, and I guess it's one

689
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Speaker 8: of those things that it provides great context. But if

690
00:38:47,773 --> 00:38:50,333
Speaker 8: you get too caught up with only trying to achieve that,

691
00:38:50,413 --> 00:38:52,253
Speaker 8: then you perhaps lose sight of what's it right in

692
00:38:52,293 --> 00:38:54,773
Speaker 8: front of you. So yeah, we'll be going out to

693
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Speaker 8: that first session and trying to put our best foot

694
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Speaker 8: forward and then see where we end up at the

695
00:39:00,213 --> 00:39:02,733
Speaker 8: end of the nine games, because it'll be I guess

696
00:39:02,773 --> 00:39:05,133
Speaker 8: pretty telling in that Test Championship tally.

697
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Speaker 2: Nice to have one of your willing and teammates been

698
00:39:08,453 --> 00:39:11,253
Speaker 2: is starting to samand a place along with Willow Raw

699
00:39:11,693 --> 00:39:14,173
Speaker 2: as the leaders of a New Zealand bowling attack for

700
00:39:14,213 --> 00:39:14,613
Speaker 2: the future.

701
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's really exciting. Seeing them both play against Australia

702
00:39:19,053 --> 00:39:21,613
Speaker 8: last year was awesome and they bring a lot of

703
00:39:22,133 --> 00:39:25,853
Speaker 8: energy and pace to the bowling attack, which is very exciting.

704
00:39:27,253 --> 00:39:30,453
Speaker 8: I feel like they're wives beyond the years, both of them.

705
00:39:31,133 --> 00:39:33,933
Speaker 8: They work really hard. I've had the pleasure of seeing

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00:39:33,933 --> 00:39:38,173
Speaker 8: Sez working hard this winter obviously being in Wellington as well,

707
00:39:38,213 --> 00:39:40,733
Speaker 8: and I'm sure Will's doing exactly the same thing in

708
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Speaker 8: christ Church. They're just very exciting young prospects and as

709
00:39:46,213 --> 00:39:48,293
Speaker 8: we saw last year, they're ready to go straight away.

710
00:39:48,373 --> 00:39:53,173
Speaker 8: So it's certainly no token them getting this call up

711
00:39:53,213 --> 00:39:56,053
Speaker 8: and I'm sure when they get called upon they'll be

712
00:39:56,093 --> 00:39:59,053
Speaker 8: ready to go again. It is hugely exciting for New

713
00:39:59,133 --> 00:40:02,213
Speaker 8: Zealand cricket to have two young guys like that coming through,

714
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Speaker 8: and I'm sure we'll see a lot more of them

715
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Speaker 8: in the future. Good luck, thanks so much, Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.

717
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Speaker 2: August nineteen sixty four. Sixty years ago, a five Test

718
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Speaker 2: Ashes series was played in England and needed only one

719
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Speaker 2: game to settle the series. Australia had won the third

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Speaker 2: Test at Headingly by seven wickets due to a magnificent

721
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Speaker 2: innings of one hundred and sixty played by Peter Burge.

722
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Speaker 2: The final Test at the Able introduced a new player

723
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Speaker 2: to Test cricket Test into break records. Jeff Boycott had

724
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Speaker 2: another player set a new mark for bowlers and Test

725
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Speaker 2: cricket in his sixty fifth Test. It wasn't you, Parks,

726
00:40:43,213 --> 00:40:43,453
Speaker 2: was it?

727
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Speaker 3: Not?

728
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Speaker 5: That I remember?

729
00:40:44,893 --> 00:40:47,093
Speaker 7: But I've tried to forget most of my dismissal, so

730
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Speaker 7: it could have been.

731
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Speaker 10: Please six seventh for eight fifty five weavers fourteen. HOWF

732
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Speaker 10: Truman had a bit of a scowl at the batsman

733
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Speaker 10: doesn't even look friendly to watch his fieldsman at the

734
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Speaker 10: moment and it's thirty first over, there's two wickets once

735
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Speaker 10: a third. Truman in again oldster Hawk, and Hawk goes

736
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Speaker 10: for in his park.

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Speaker 2: There's a three hundreds.

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Speaker 4: There was no nice attuch did Truman congratulating Hawk hot

739
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Speaker 4: by Cowdrey.

740
00:41:44,133 --> 00:41:44,413
Speaker 2: Neil.

741
00:41:44,493 --> 00:41:46,933
Speaker 9: Hawk can never have come into the pavilion or a

742
00:41:47,013 --> 00:41:50,613
Speaker 9: greater revation in his life, but they weren't looking at him.

743
00:41:51,013 --> 00:41:54,813
Speaker 9: Fred Truman's three hundred Test wicket, the first man in

744
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Speaker 9: the history of cricket to achieve the figure.

745
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Speaker 2: Now, you wouldn't have played against him too much, would you.

746
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Speaker 5: I played against him.

747
00:42:03,293 --> 00:42:13,013
Speaker 7: In a forty over games, and he was very funny.

748
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Speaker 7: He wasn't very quick by the stage. His voice was

749
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Speaker 7: quicker than his delivery, but an interesting character. He also

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Speaker 7: came and spoke at Seddon Park one day not long

751
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Speaker 7: after I got married, and I was a host. I

752
00:42:28,173 --> 00:42:30,453
Speaker 7: was sort of part of the hosting after I'd finished

753
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Speaker 7: at Worcester, of course, but he made it out that

754
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Speaker 7: he was one of my.

755
00:42:33,933 --> 00:42:38,453
Speaker 5: Best friends, and his stories weren't.

756
00:42:39,053 --> 00:42:43,653
Speaker 7: Things that you were telling the church, and he made

757
00:42:43,733 --> 00:42:46,053
Speaker 7: me the brunt of every one of his stories. And

758
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Speaker 7: my new father in law was present. I took him

759
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Speaker 7: along to listen to F. S. Truman and I was

760
00:42:52,893 --> 00:42:59,133
Speaker 7: the brunt of every one of his stories. Yeah, yeah,

761
00:42:59,293 --> 00:43:00,053
Speaker 7: no I wasn't.

762
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Speaker 5: I wasn't a victim on the field. Let's say that.

763
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Speaker 2: You wouldn't have played it too often, Jerry.

764
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Speaker 6: I played him once. Brian and a slightly elderly mixed

765
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Speaker 6: English side came out to play a number of teams

766
00:43:17,253 --> 00:43:22,173
Speaker 6: and I played him at Pukikura Park and both of

767
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Speaker 6: them was in the team. Godfrey Evans was in the

768
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Speaker 6: team and I was quite surprised he would have been

769
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Speaker 6: in his perhaps his mid fifties. But he he was

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Speaker 6: a quickish medium, if you know what I mean. He

771
00:43:39,493 --> 00:43:45,093
Speaker 6: swung it away and so you could see. And certainly

772
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Speaker 6: I remember talking to Graham Dowling about him when he

773
00:43:50,133 --> 00:43:54,533
Speaker 6: played Test matches against Fred and he said he was

774
00:43:54,533 --> 00:43:59,973
Speaker 6: an outstanding bowler, you know, quickish, really quickish, but that

775
00:44:00,093 --> 00:44:03,253
Speaker 6: movement as well associated with it made it very difficult.

776
00:44:03,293 --> 00:44:06,973
Speaker 6: Tended to bowl pretty full, could bowl the short ball

777
00:44:07,013 --> 00:44:11,093
Speaker 6: as well. So yeah, he was an He would have

778
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Speaker 6: been an interesting guy to play against, no doubt about that.

779
00:44:14,653 --> 00:44:17,453
Speaker 5: But he spent his life.

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00:44:17,733 --> 00:44:22,493
Speaker 7: FS spenders life campaigning to get a knighthood, with which

781
00:44:22,493 --> 00:44:26,333
Speaker 7: he failed, but he was very keen on getting a

782
00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:27,533
Speaker 7: knighthood FS.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he loved the politicians and the political angle. Great character.

784
00:44:32,413 --> 00:44:34,053
Speaker 2: I worked with him in the commentary box and he

785
00:44:34,133 --> 00:44:36,613
Speaker 2: was a wonderful man to work with. Well there. He

786
00:44:36,733 --> 00:44:39,013
Speaker 2: was the first man of three hundred Test wickets back

787
00:44:39,053 --> 00:44:42,093
Speaker 2: in August nineteen sixty four. And one guess who his

788
00:44:42,173 --> 00:44:45,373
Speaker 2: last wicket was in New Zealander A tail ender his

789
00:44:45,493 --> 00:44:49,053
Speaker 2: last Test wicket could you guess Parks.

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Speaker 6: Three hundred and seventh wicket? That would be nineteen sixty five. Yeah,

791
00:44:53,093 --> 00:44:54,333
Speaker 6: we went to England.

792
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Speaker 2: He got two wickets in his first and he's of

793
00:44:57,973 --> 00:45:00,093
Speaker 2: the last Test and none of the second. They were

794
00:45:00,093 --> 00:45:03,173
Speaker 2: both bowlers down the order. One of them was Bruce

795
00:45:03,253 --> 00:45:05,653
Speaker 2: Taylor and the other one was.

796
00:45:05,613 --> 00:45:06,773
Speaker 5: Richard J O'Collins.

797
00:45:07,173 --> 00:45:11,133
Speaker 2: Correct pH Collins, yep, that was his last Test wicket,

798
00:45:11,493 --> 00:45:15,093
Speaker 2: Richard Collins. We'll get rock on one day and chat

799
00:45:15,173 --> 00:45:15,813
Speaker 2: with about that.

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00:45:17,533 --> 00:45:19,653
Speaker 6: The rapier. It would have taken the rapier out. It

801
00:45:19,693 --> 00:45:22,413
Speaker 6: was about five pound too heavy.

802
00:45:25,493 --> 00:45:27,133
Speaker 2: A lot of fun. I'll try and get some of

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00:45:27,133 --> 00:45:32,373
Speaker 2: the uh bred Truman stories for replay, provided they're clean

804
00:45:32,453 --> 00:45:36,493
Speaker 2: and uh not heard in the church. Previously Parks, Well

805
00:45:36,773 --> 00:45:38,773
Speaker 2: we'll do that on one program.

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00:45:39,133 --> 00:45:43,333
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's very funny, a great character and uh you know,

807
00:45:43,573 --> 00:45:47,613
Speaker 7: a very very strong man, minor, all those sorts of things,

808
00:45:47,613 --> 00:45:49,773
Speaker 7: the old style of sportsman.

809
00:45:50,293 --> 00:45:52,333
Speaker 5: But a great character, good fun Fred.

810
00:45:52,813 --> 00:45:56,813
Speaker 6: Used to go into the opposition side. Didn't you look

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Speaker 6: around the team? I got five wickets in here today.

812
00:46:05,853 --> 00:46:08,613
Speaker 2: Parks, thanks for joining us. This wedlerk forward to you

813
00:46:08,653 --> 00:46:10,613
Speaker 2: again of the quickt.

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Speaker 7: Issues to have, Thanks you Tom VisiC guys, Thanks exapologisms.

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