1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Christoph Luxan back in the country of course, and was 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: there for yesterday Shenanigans. He's well, that's very good morning 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: to you. 4 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike, good with you. 5 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Hell I actualanged Jones on earlier on standing orders, and 6 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: I saw him in the house yesterday. And so they've 7 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: got two things, as far as I can work out, 8 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: one the Privileges Committee, whether anything is done out of 9 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: the mess last week, and two standing orders. Would you 10 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: back Jones slash Brownly on looking at standing orders to 11 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: try and tidy this place up. 12 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, absolutely, In fact we've already done that, supporting 13 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 3: asking that through a letter to the Speaker, I think 14 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 3: yesterday as well. I mean, the challenge here is you've 15 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 3: got to have some rules in Parliament that mean that 16 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: you can have a debate and a discussion on difficult 17 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: issues of which there will be strong feelings on all 18 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 3: sides of a debate, without it just degenerating into sort 19 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: of chaos. And so you know, that's the challenge back 20 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 3: to the Speaker, who's the head of the legislature here. 21 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: In his land. 22 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 3: I run the executive, he runs the legislature, and we've 23 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: got to make sure that we're getting standing orders and 24 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: rules within the Parliament so that you can facilitate difficult 25 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: debates and conversations without degenerating into what we saw last Thursday. 26 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: Problem is that I put to Shane Jones and he 27 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: didn't have an answer. What is it standing orders can 28 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: do that is actually effective? 29 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 3: Well, that's the challenge we're putting back to the Speaker 30 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 3: to say, look, you know we've always had these rules 31 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 3: that are operational within Parliament, and how do we make 32 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 3: sure that they are enforceable, that they're the right rule 33 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: for the situations we encounter from time to time in 34 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 3: Parliament today and are they tough enough and are there 35 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 3: you are they strong enough and so to deal with 36 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: you know, the conversations we're going to have going forward 37 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: and we have already. So you just there's got to 38 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 3: be respect for some rules because otherwise a democracy, you know, 39 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: you've got to be able to have proper conversations in 40 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: a parliament without it just degenerating. And you know, fisty 41 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: cuffs ultimately is what you see in some other parliaments 42 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: around the world, and you know, we just don't need 43 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: any of that. We just need to say, look, it's 44 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: a good time for us to review it. We've got 45 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: a new generation of politicians in the Parliament, but we 46 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: equally people have to respect the rules. 47 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: Is there a role for the Religious Committee? And to 48 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: the extent that they have incredible power, theoretically they never 49 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: use it, should they? 50 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: Yes, it's ultimately again a decision for the Speaker and 51 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: really as Prime Minister running the executive I can't really 52 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 3: comment too much about that because it's really his decision. 53 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: But that's why you know, we as a National Party 54 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: for example, wrote to him to say, look, you know, 55 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: we need to revisit what's going on because we can't 56 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 3: have disruptions like that when we're trying to Yeah, I 57 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: appreciate people feel strongly about it, but there's still rules. 58 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: Otherwise you just never get anything done. If that's just 59 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: how it degenerates. 60 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: So what's your view? What's your view of what this 61 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: country has looked like to the world in the last 62 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: week with all the loveries sharing it on social media 63 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: going yes, queen look at New Zealand, go do we 64 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: look good or do we look bad? 65 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: Look? I don't. 66 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I've been just come back from Apec and 67 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 3: to be honest, it wasn't raised with me by any 68 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: of the leaders, and I'm not sure they actually saw it, 69 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: to be honest, I know we very sense. 70 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: To believe they didn't because of according to where hundreds 71 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: of millions of people all over the world apparently have 72 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: seen it. 73 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well look, I mean there's no doubt about it. 74 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: Like it's a It's an emosive issue of which there 75 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: are strong views on all sides around treaty. There always 76 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: has been in New Zealand and there always will be. 77 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: But the key thing is that in the arch of 78 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: our history we keep wrestling with it. I just think 79 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 3: you know, what I've said to you and others is 80 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 3: that you know, the bottom line for us as a 81 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 3: national party is I just don't think the Treaty Principal's 82 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: Bill's quite a simplistic way to sort of at a 83 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: stroke of a pen. 84 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: You've said that about a home and we shall sometimes. 85 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but we should pick up the issues like we 86 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: have around unwinding co governance and public services, around three 87 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: wards of the Maori Health Authority or MECCA or the 88 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: Marii Wards. That's what we've been doing. You take an 89 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: issue by issue, case by case, and your way through it. 90 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: I just don't think this well there was money. Yeah, 91 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: that was my next question. How much of the protest 92 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: do you reckon was about the Principal's bill versus the 93 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: other stuff that you have engineered that Mauri feel agreed about. 94 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure there was a piece of it. 95 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: I mean, it did seem to be pretty focused on 96 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: the treaty Principal's bill, and you know that was the 97 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: dominant conversation from what I could pick up what people 98 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: were articulating. The reality is, you know, we have been elected. 99 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: We've come to power because we want to be able 100 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: to improve outcomes from Maria and non Maori. And you 101 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 3: know there has been as I said this morning till 102 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: another media outlet like we haven't had a conversation about that, 103 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: only twelve percent of our Maori students are where they 104 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: need to be going to high school on mathematics. 105 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: We had done a hell of a lot of emergency housing. 106 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: The you know, the any statue want they they're not 107 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: interested in that. They're the retention seekers that unless you 108 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: give them the keys to the country, they're not interested 109 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: because that's what they're after, isn't it. 110 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: Well, I mean I do think they'd become incredibly separate 111 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: us in recent years and that's been a change in 112 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: the shift from the mighty Party of old that John 113 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: Key could work with versus one that we have today. 114 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: But you know, that's the thing is, you know, frankly, 115 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: you know, when you take a step back, Marty want 116 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: higher incomes, they want better housing, they want to be 117 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: less victims of crime, they want better school attendance, next 118 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: demic outcomes daily time. 119 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: But giving them the keys to the country so they 120 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: can run their own country and their own parliament and 121 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: their own world, that's what they want. Yeah, well that 122 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: doesn't work because what we need to tell so in 123 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: the ensuing period it's up to you to either do 124 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: something as Prime Minister or give up, because never the 125 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: Twain shall meet. I mean, what you saw yesterday was 126 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: not a discussion. It's not a debate. There's no nuance, 127 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: there's no subtlety. They don't care, they're not interested. They 128 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: want the keys to the country. And then given they're 129 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: not going to get it, where do we go. 130 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, well we're not going to get it because it's 131 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: not going to pass, it's not going to come law. 132 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 3: So but the bigger issue is that's what we should 133 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: be focused on. As you know, That's why I said, EO, 134 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: the economy, the public services, the law and order, that's 135 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 3: the agenda for New Zealand, whether you're Maori or non Mandy, 136 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: because it turns out we all want the same things. 137 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: And you know, that's my conversation with EWE leaders is 138 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: you know, why aren't we having more of those conversations, 139 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 3: And in fact we are. You know, behind the scenes, 140 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: there's been some incredible work done on social housing where 141 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: EWE government and business have come together to sort out 142 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: how we get pre built homes onto places and to 143 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 3: places that we need to get them to. And that's 144 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 3: exactly the kind of conversations we need to be having. 145 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: What are we going to do about lifting Maori educational 146 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: achievement health outcomes? We need higher immunization rates for Mari 147 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: under two year olds, as we do across the whole country, frankly, 148 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: but we also need that amongst the Maori community as well, 149 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: so that they want the same things as all Kiwis. 150 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: And honestly, the last six years their outcomes went backwards 151 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 3: under a so called labor government with a much vaunted 152 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 3: Malti caucus. They didn't deliver. 153 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: They did not. 154 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: Deliver part of the problem. You need to get onto 155 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: the wait Tangi Tribunal. You keep saying you're going to 156 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: look at it, but you haven't. Last week they allegedly 157 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: forced the Health Ministry to release unredacted reports. What gives 158 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: them the right to do that? And doesn't that add 159 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: to the ongoing problem and belief that the Waitangi Tribunal, 160 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: if not the courts, are just an outlet for aggrieved mari. 161 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: Yes, so, I mean we try and work with them 162 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: in good faith as best we possibly can. But look, 163 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: we campaigned on a set of policies and we're elected 164 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 3: to implement them, and you know that they can. You know, 165 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: there's a legitimate you know, as I said to you before, 166 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: there's there's a legitimate question whether you're on all sides 167 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: of that debate that having worked our way through the 168 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: vast majority of treaty settlements, which is what the way 169 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: Tania Tribunal was really set up to deal with in 170 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 3: a post settlement world, you've actually got a legitimate question 171 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: to ask about what should their role. You're going to 172 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: do something, Well, we'll get there, but we've got forty 173 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: three sections. 174 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: I'm trying to know. 175 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm trying to well, no disrespect, I've had 176 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: twelve months in this job. I've had four quarterly plans. 177 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: I work and pick the actions we're going to go 178 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: forward with. 179 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: Each one will get is causing part of the problem. 180 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: Every second day I'm listening to the White Tangi Tribunal 181 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: whine on about another report and another issue in another problem, 182 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: in another case that goes nowhere but causes the angst 183 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: that leads to what we've seen in the past week. 184 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so trust me, we'll get there, we'll deal with it. 185 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: But right now, the quarter unfocused on is the one 186 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: to December thirty one, where I've got forty three actions 187 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: to get nailed, including gang patches and getting all that 188 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: stuff operationalized and some other things. When we do it, 189 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 3: we'll open it up, we'll deal with it properly, and 190 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: we'll work our way through it. But for right now, yeah, 191 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: I've got to focus on some other things, to get 192 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: the economy moving, to get law and order better, to 193 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: get better. 194 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: Public services, education in particular. So you know we'll get that. 195 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: But there is a genuinely legitimate question. I don't care 196 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: which side of the debate you're on, you know that 197 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: is I think of you. That's how by many people. 198 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: On your radar. The skills visa numbers that came out 199 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: the other day, barely over one percent of applications of 200 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: people coming to this country a skills visa. The Order 201 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: to General says, we've got to improve that process. We've 202 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: got to improve and make it slicker, but we're also 203 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: get to get more than two percent. Who the hell 204 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: are the people coming into the country. Yeah, look at 205 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: the ninety eight people coming into the country. You aren't 206 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: you worried about that? Given them most of the people 207 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: are leaving the country are young, bright people, and they're 208 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: off to Australia, if not Europe. 209 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean first and foremost, that's what That's exactly. 210 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: The point is that, you know, I kind of want 211 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 3: my kids and my grandkids ultimately to stay here in 212 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: his own because I think it's a place of opportunity. 213 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: That. 214 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why I'm saying we've got to work 215 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: hard on rebuilding economis. If you work hard to get ahead, 216 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 3: you've got to feel safe in your family and your home. 217 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: You've got to be able to know your kids are 218 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: going to get well educated, world class education. You've got 219 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 3: to know that your parents can access health care. So 220 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 3: you know, that's the work of the government and that's 221 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: our job, and that's what we're working so hard around. 222 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: And that's what as you know in the past when 223 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 3: we've seen keyw weis leave and vote with their fees 224 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: because they don't think there is opportunity. We have to 225 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: build that back for New Zealand and we are going 226 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 3: to do that, and damn it, we are working really 227 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: hard to make sure we do exactly that. On the 228 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 3: Order to General report and the Immigration to be I 229 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: haven't read the detail of all of that, but I 230 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: would just say, yeah, that is not looking good. We 231 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: need to ensure we retain and attract these skilled people. 232 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 3: We know that skilled migrant care is key part of that. 233 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: But clearly with that report that's saying that's not working. 234 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 3: And I know Erica Stanford, as our Immigration Minister, is 235 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: reviewing those settings. He's made changes already to their credit 236 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: employer work visa settings earlier in the year, so there's 237 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: a lot more for us to do. 238 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: Clearly, I'm almost out of time. But speaking of Erica, 239 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: there's a court case in Australia that rule the faith 240 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: based organizations are not responsible for child sexual abuse and 241 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: certain circumstances in terms of payment in later years, given 242 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: we're dealing with the same thing, are you going to 243 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: make faith based organizations pay? And if so, how. 244 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, we are, because they need to be completely stand 245 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: up and own what they did. 246 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: And if they go to court and they get the 247 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: same decision in New Zealand as they got in Australia, 248 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: what are you going to do then? 249 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 3: Well, I think it'd be pretty dumb if they go 250 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: to court, to be honest, because they have a responsibility 251 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: of We've written a letter to them all and frankly 252 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 3: we're expecting them to show up and actually work through 253 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 3: the redress process and make significant contributions and own their 254 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 3: own their history as well. So I'm pretty tough on 255 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 3: that in the sense of my expectations are pretty non negotiable. 256 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: There appreciate time. Christopher Luck's a Prime Minister. For more 257 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to News Talks 258 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: at B from six a m. Weekdays, or follow the 259 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.