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Speaker 1: Fifty officers are involved in searching the area where they

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Speaker 1: believe the children are. Lance Burdette is a former police

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Speaker 1: negotiator and investigator and with US now. Lance, thanks very

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Speaker 1: much for joining US, Hi, Heather, how do you get

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Speaker 1: two children to come out?

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Speaker 2: It's very difficult with children because they don't think logically.

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Speaker 2: And listening to Minister Mitchell there, he's right, we don't

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Speaker 2: know if they've made plans now after four years, I

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Speaker 2: suspect they have made plans that if there doesn't come

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Speaker 2: home what they should do, and again that's unpredictable what

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Speaker 2: they will be doing. So in situations like this, it

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Speaker 2: really is. They will have hopefully a child's psychologist there

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Speaker 2: on hand to talk to about child behavior and how

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Speaker 2: their brain thinks and stress situations. But they'll be afraid,

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Speaker 2: they'll be worried, they'll be panicking probably, and it really is.

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Speaker 2: It's unpredictable. They won't stick to tracks and trails like normal,

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Speaker 2: you know, like rational people would, so they could be

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Speaker 2: all over the place, So we just don't know. They

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Speaker 2: could also be hunkering down, which hopefully that is the case.

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Speaker 1: Jill Rodgers said they have got enough resources, which made

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Speaker 1: me feel reasonably confident that they think that they've got

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Speaker 1: this in hand.

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Speaker 2: Did it you, Yeah, it does. Fifty is a good

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Speaker 2: number for something like that's thirty five is a really

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Speaker 2: good number. Are too many officers actually get in the

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Speaker 2: way of each other and so having they'll have somebody

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Speaker 2: from Search and RISKUS, They've got search and rescue experts,

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Speaker 2: they've got human behaviorists, they'll have the Advanced Police Negotiation

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Speaker 2: Team there, and they'll have lots and lots of resources

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Speaker 2: and ability to keep the area contained and use experts.

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Speaker 2: Most of the expertises within police. They don't need them,

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Speaker 2: necessarily need the military unless there's a piece of equipment

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Speaker 2: not missing.

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Speaker 1: Right, what happens if the worst case scenario plays out

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Speaker 1: on one of these children or both of these children.

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Speaker 2: Picks up a gun, well you just take it as

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Speaker 2: it comes. But you know, if somebody confronts the police

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Speaker 2: officer with a firearm, the automatic training is to go

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Speaker 2: and to use the firearm and audit that event. So

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Speaker 2: training will kick in, but hopefully that doesn't look at

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Speaker 2: that stage.

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Speaker 1: Lance, listen, thanks very much. I do appreciate your expertise.

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Speaker 1: It's Lance Burdett, former police negotiator and investigator.

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