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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsweakers to get the real story. It's Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge on hither duplic Ellen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: New Stall said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, seven after four, Great to have your company

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Speaker 3: this Friday afternoon. Toll roads are a coming, But how

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Speaker 3: What's Brook van Velden ripping up? The holiday's act? Change

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Speaker 3: is going to mean for annual league? We'll ask that

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Speaker 3: We've got MPs fighting over lunch in the UK. Barry

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Speaker 3: Soper on politics here and the sports huddle this afternoon,

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Speaker 3: Nicky Styris and Paul Allison. Ryan Bridge should come as

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Speaker 3: no surprise to absolutely anyone that driving on our roads

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Speaker 3: is about to get more expensive. Simmy and Brown, he

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Speaker 3: came out this afternoon. He's whacking tolls on three new

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Speaker 3: highways and expressways all Tucky to north of Levin. That

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Speaker 3: tot will be two dollars seventy for a car, and

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Speaker 3: totaling a two tapoona four lanes, two dollars ten off peak,

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Speaker 3: If we keep relying on governments to fund infrastructure off

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Speaker 3: same woeful results that we have thus far. Roads that

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Speaker 3: the regional economic growth that this country so desperately needs.

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Speaker 3: The last government canceled a bunch of rons, the roads

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Speaker 3: public transport. Now, hopefully, if a road has a toll

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Speaker 3: existing roads, yes, existing roads will be told because I

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Speaker 3: Does that mean the whole road or just the new bit.

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Speaker 3: They need to clarify this because it's hardly fair if

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Speaker 3: on the roads, mitor cyclists are reving mad with the

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Speaker 3: latest acc levy increase, shooting up eighty percent over the

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Speaker 3: The Motorcycle Advocacy Group New Zealand have logged a lodged

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Speaker 4: Good, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Right, you feel a bit hard done by here, and

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a sixty sort of a question. We already

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Speaker 3: But there's a reason they're doing it, right, It's because

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not that we have more accidents, it's just

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Speaker 3: So then we take them off the road. But can

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Speaker 3: we can Well technically yeah, okay, Terry, here's the problem.

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Speaker 3: Motorcycles account for less than one percent of vehicle kilometers

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Speaker 3: You've got four more than four thousand claims last year

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Speaker 4: Yep. Look this is a statistic rich that topic. And

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Speaker 4: this is one reason why motorcyclists feel a little bit

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Speaker 3: But we can't I guess we can't take trucks off

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Speaker 4: Here's the nub. How much do you think you will

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Speaker 3: because that's what ACC is looking at is how much

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Speaker 3: The increase is nowhere near the same as the motorbikes,

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, eight hundred and seventy dollars to register a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly, it certainly has. Terry. I can understand why

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Speaker 1: Who will take the White House results and analysis of

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Speaker 3: We're doing toll roads after five this evening with Simme

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Speaker 3: Pine was Sport. Good afternoon, Jason, Hello, Ryan, I'm good

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Speaker 3: to have you on. Do you ride motorbikes so you know, no,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because they've named something after him, haven't they. Is

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Speaker 3: it part of the picture.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I don't think it's just ceremonial.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant Jason, thank you so much for that. Good to

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Speaker 3: of your text. Ryan. Guess what as someone says, Ryan

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Speaker 3: Talk z B twenty five after four. Hope you're enjoying

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Speaker 3: your Friday afternoon. So Joe Biden obviously he pardoned his

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Speaker 6: President Biden wanted to talk to me about that. I

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Speaker 2: It's a very personal thing.

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Speaker 3: So that's not a no, is it. It's not a no.

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't pardon my wife because it looked too much

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Speaker 1: on Heather duplessy Eland Drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, New Zealand. It is twenty five minutes away

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Speaker 3: from five year on news Talk said be the Transport

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Speaker 3: Minister Simeon Brown with us live after five o'clock. Three

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Speaker 3: US President Joe Biden is emptying out the jails almost

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Speaker 8: So it's customary also for the party that's not in

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Speaker 2: And Republicans are doing that right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, if you.

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Speaker 8: Grew up in the eighties or in the nineties, I mean,

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Speaker 8: malls were where you hung out after school and you

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Speaker 8: went shopping on the weekends, and you know, your parents

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Speaker 8: dragged you to get closed from back to school. And

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Speaker 8: then online came along, and then Amazon came along after that,

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Speaker 8: and these malls started to die.

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Speaker 2: But something's happening, and it's kind.

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Speaker 8: Of a head scratcher because gen Z's I mean, despite

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Speaker 8: growing up you know, with digital and not having a

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Speaker 8: lot of impersonal friends. They want to get out now.

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Speaker 8: They want to shop as their baby boom or grandparents did.

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Speaker 8: There's a new survey that just came out and they're

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Speaker 8: saying they're looking for more of a social connection. They

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Speaker 8: want instant gratification and moments of course to post on

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Speaker 8: social media. So I think this is good for them

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Speaker 8: because they're interacting with real people and not just online.

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Speaker 8: And I think it's great too for the malls too,

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Speaker 8: because a lot of these local businesses had a tough

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Speaker 8: time since the pandemic and were forced to close down

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Speaker 8: not only because of that, but because of skyrocketing rents.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for that dandemic. Just so now US

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Speaker 3: correspondent with US just gone eighteen minutes away from five,

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Speaker 3: Barry Sopa on politics. Next after five, we'll have the

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Speaker 3: Minister on the toll roads. And just a very quick

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Speaker 3: fact for you from today's announcement. If you drive a

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Speaker 3: truck and the motorcyclists will like this because they'll be

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Speaker 3: complaining earlier about the truckies. If you drive a truck

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Speaker 3: or a heavy vehicle, you have no choice but to

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Speaker 3: take the toll road. This is how they run it

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Speaker 3: in Australia. This is how they do it in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: The reason you build the toll road is to get

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Speaker 3: those big, heavy vehicles off the local roads and to

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Speaker 3: stop ripping them up and ruining them and causing delays.

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Speaker 3: So if you are driving a heavy vehicle, it will

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Speaker 3: cost you double what it does a car to use

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Speaker 3: these toll roads, and you have no choice. Simeon Brown

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Speaker 3: after five seventeen to two five Now.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

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Speaker 3: News talks thereb it is called to five. Barry Sopa

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Speaker 3: with us now, senior political correspondent. Very, good afternoon, Good

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Speaker 3: afternoon to you too. Right, the Prime minister's in a

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Speaker 3: reflective mood looking back at the year, giving his view

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Speaker 3: on the press gallery as well. What's he saying?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting, isn't it when you consider this will

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Speaker 6: be his final talkback. He was on with Kerry Woodham

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Speaker 6: this morning. It's the end of his first year, of

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Speaker 6: course as Prime minister. But the end of just four

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Speaker 6: years in politics, isn't it an extraordinary when you think

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Speaker 6: about it. Four years ago he was a newbie, a

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Speaker 6: new boy on the block. I remember taking his photo

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Speaker 6: in the first day he arrived at Parliament getting his

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Speaker 6: instructions on how the place worked. It's been a tough

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Speaker 6: year being the prime minister for him. There was no

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Speaker 6: baptism afar. Certainly there wasn't any honeymoon. He inherited an

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Speaker 6: economy which I think everybody would accept that it was

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Speaker 6: in a parlor state. He had a novel way, though,

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Speaker 6: I must say, of explaining the National Coalitions picking up

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Speaker 6: the cudgels of government.

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Speaker 2: Here he is, Are you hearing that.

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Speaker 3: We should be any second now? I believe, Well, no,

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Speaker 3: I know we're not hearing from him. Oh dear, but

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Speaker 3: I could tell you it would have started with if

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Speaker 3: I can just tell you or if I can just

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Speaker 3: stay How did he bury on? And know how he

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Speaker 3: rated the press gallery? Well, what he said about.

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Speaker 6: You know, the first year starting he said it was

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Speaker 6: like driving a car, finding it in a ditch, writing

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Speaker 6: it and then getting it back on the road. So

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Speaker 6: they just getting there now, Although he didn't say it.

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Speaker 6: His frustration with the press Gallery, which I think he'd

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Speaker 6: get a lot of sympathy with, was a parent When

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Speaker 6: he reflected on getting out and about as much as

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Speaker 6: he can, he said, you know, he clears off on

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Speaker 6: Tuesday gets how to talk to the public, which he

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Speaker 6: said is important. And he said that really most people

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Speaker 6: these days don't get their news through the media. They

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Speaker 6: get it essentially on social media, on the internet. They

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Speaker 6: you know, they can listen to news and delay and

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Speaker 6: he said, that's why it's very important for somebody in

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Speaker 6: his job to get out and to make contact, certainly

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Speaker 6: with the public on a personal level. And certainly he

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Speaker 6: has been out there doing that. But if you look

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Speaker 6: at his opinion poll ratings, Ryan, he would probably expect

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Speaker 6: to be a bit higher than where he is at

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Speaker 6: the moment. But it goes back to what I said initially.

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Speaker 6: It's the difficulty I think of, and I can't recall

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Speaker 6: a government taking over in such dire circumstances. There was

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Speaker 6: the key government that took over during at the start

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Speaker 6: of the financial crisis, but then they had that buffer

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Speaker 6: of the trade agreement with China that had just been signed.

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Speaker 6: But really there was no buffer for this government. And

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Speaker 6: you know, a lot of people said it was going

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Speaker 6: to be a coalition of chaos. There has been some chaos,

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Speaker 6: certainly in the last week with the very decision, but

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Speaker 6: you know they've lasted together a nice suspect they'll certainly

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Speaker 6: last together until the next election.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll definitely got the distance. And you're right. It

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Speaker 3: was almost a poison chalice in a way getting the

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Speaker 3: Treasury benches because we've had two years of recession and

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Speaker 3: we've got a little bit more to go. Yeah, three

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Speaker 3: strikes about to become law again this past as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: The part the Parliament passed its third reading today. It

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Speaker 6: was in the hands of the Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee.

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Speaker 6: She said that it essentially sends a strong message to

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Speaker 6: those who keep committing very serious crime and how it

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Speaker 6: will work is that offenders will be warned of the

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Speaker 6: consequences of reoffending at their first strike, they will not

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Speaker 6: be eligible for parole at their second strike, and their

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Speaker 6: third strike offenders will have to basically shoulder the maximum

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Speaker 6: penalty without any parole. Now, the new aspects of this

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Speaker 6: bill compared to the last is that there will be

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Speaker 6: a new area covering strangulation and suffocation offenses to those

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Speaker 6: above those that were covered in the last thing. That

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Speaker 6: takes the list to about forty two offenses, imposing a

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Speaker 6: lengthy non parole period for people who commit murders seventeen

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Speaker 6: years at the second strike and twenty years at the

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Speaker 6: third strike, which essentially is they are a serial killer

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Speaker 6: at that stage. But you know there'll be away for

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Speaker 6: at least twenty years, so we say bloody good job

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Speaker 6: for that too. But there will be very few that

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Speaker 6: would be in that situation. Will be some judicial discretion

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Speaker 6: Ryan that there was in the first legislation before it

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Speaker 6: was dumped by labor. And what it'll mean is you'll

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Speaker 6: it'll lead to about twelve thousand first strikers in the

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Speaker 6: first ten years compared to about an estimated eight thousand

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Speaker 6: before the changes. There will be another six hundred and

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Speaker 6: fifty more second strikers and eighty eight more third strikers

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Speaker 6: after the first ten years. So certainly people will be

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Speaker 6: going away for longer when they commit very serious crimes.

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Speaker 3: Very Soper, thank you very much for that. That'll be

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Speaker 3: music for the years of a lot of victims, I imagine,

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Speaker 3: very so for senior political correspondent with us live from

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Speaker 3: Wellington this afternoon. It is nine away from five, the

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Speaker 3: Minister coming up after five. I've also got news for

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Speaker 3: you next on the Media Digital Fair News Media bill

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Speaker 3: that the government was introducing We've got an update in

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Speaker 3: Auckland on that also the Brits and the politicians there

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Speaker 3: arguing over what to have for lunch. I know it

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Speaker 3: sounds fickle, but also quite entertaining.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 9: The Solicitor Generals reissued her controversial prosecution guidelines. These are

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Speaker 9: the ones that urged prosecutors to think carefully about prosecutions,

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Speaker 9: especially when a person is Marty and joining us now

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Speaker 9: is the Solicitor General ownergy go is do you accept

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Speaker 9: that you made a mistake with those guidelines.

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Speaker 10: I wasn't clear what I meant when I referred to

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Speaker 10: the fact of Marty's disproportionate representation in the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 11: If you didn't mean that prosecutors were supposed to look

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Speaker 11: at any of these groups of people, including Marty, and

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Speaker 11: go a little lighter on them because they're Marty or

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Speaker 11: any of these other groups, then what did you mean

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Speaker 11: You were unable to explain that to me.

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Speaker 10: I'm absolutely clear that what you were saying is the

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Speaker 10: very reason that we had to change it.

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Speaker 1: Here the duplic on the my asking Breakfast back Monday

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Speaker 1: from six am with the Jaguar f base on Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 3: News TALKSB just gone five to five. This is from

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Speaker 3: the media insider at The Herald, Shane Curry. It's a

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Speaker 3: Shane Curry special. He says he's found out today from

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Speaker 3: the government that the fair Digital News Bill, this is

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Speaker 3: the one that would force the Zuckerbergs of the world

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Speaker 3: to pay your stuffs and your Heralds of the world

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Speaker 3: for their news articles. That is officially on hold. We

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Speaker 3: have thought it's been on hold, but we now officially

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Speaker 3: know that it's on hold. The Australians are talking a

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Speaker 3: big game. We spoke about this yesterday. They are threatening

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Speaker 3: attacks on these guys and our government is now saying

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Speaker 3: we will wait and we will watch and we will

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Speaker 3: see and here's a prediction for you. This is going nowhere.

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Speaker 3: The government doesn't want to do anything about it because

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Speaker 3: it's one of those kind of two hard baskets. Is

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Speaker 3: there any votes in it? No, It's like when Willie

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Speaker 3: Jackson trying to re structure are in z TV and

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Speaker 3: Z costs three hundred million dollars. Everyone goes that, where's

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Speaker 3: that on my priority list? I don't care And here's

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Speaker 3: the interesting thing as well, people said when and I

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Speaker 3: worked for a news organization that shut its doors this year,

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Speaker 3: and people don't care, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: And has democracy died?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure there is good work not being done,

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Speaker 3: there's no doubt about that. But has democracy died? Are

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Speaker 3: we all? Are we all a little more fragile now?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I suppose that's up to you. Nine

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Speaker 3: two ninety two on the text it is Cisco and

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Speaker 3: four minutes away from five open the UK controversial planets,

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Speaker 3: the UK startup called real Ice and they're in the

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Speaker 3: Arctic right now and they are going to fix climate change.

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Speaker 3: How are they going to do that? They are drilling

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Speaker 3: down into the ice because you know, obviously the ice

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Speaker 3: is melting, the ice sheets are thinning out. They're drilling

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Speaker 3: down into the ice to get to the seawater, and

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Speaker 3: then they're pumping the seawater back up onto the top

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Speaker 3: of the ice so it freezes, freezing seawater thereby thickening

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Speaker 3: the layer of ice. Apparently, in the twenty thirties we're

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Speaker 3: going to have our first ice free summer and the

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Speaker 3: Arctic there will be no ice because it will be

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Speaker 3: too warm for the ice. So these guys are trying

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Speaker 3: to do something about it. Whether the science of whether

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Speaker 3: it actually works and how sustainable that ice will be

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Speaker 3: is apparently very much in contention. So good luck everybody.

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Speaker 3: Three minutes away from five news talks they'd be Simeon

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Speaker 3: Brown after the news, O hell.

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Speaker 1: With the only drive show you can trust to ask

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Speaker 1: the questions, get the answers, find the facts and give

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Speaker 1: the analysis. Ryan Bridge on here the dupless Allen Drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 3: News talk as they'd be seven after five. If you

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Speaker 3: want new roads, you're going to pay for more road

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Speaker 3: tolls are on the way. The government's agreed to toll

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Speaker 3: three new roads following public consultation. These are Autaki to

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Speaker 3: north of Levin. They are Northlink this is between Totong

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Speaker 3: and Amoko and Pennlink which is north of Auckland. Transport

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Speaker 3: ministers also set out a new plan to make it

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Speaker 3: easier for more and more efficient for NDTA to set

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Speaker 3: up toll roads and accelerate investments. Simon Brown is with me,

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Speaker 3: good evening, Good evening, minister. Is this basically, can we

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Speaker 3: assume now that most major new roads in New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: including the rons, will be told.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's exactly right. We've been very clear when it

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Speaker 13: comes to building a major new infrastructure that we expect

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Speaker 13: NZTA to be considering considering tolling to help pay for them.

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Speaker 13: It means that those who use those roads and who

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Speaker 13: benefit from it contribute towards the construction and the maintenance

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Speaker 13: costs of that infrastructure. But importantly it helps to bring

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Speaker 13: forward that investment when there's an opportunity to be able

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Speaker 13: to fund and finance that infrastructure over a long period

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Speaker 13: of time. So it's a user pays approach. It's what's

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Speaker 13: used around the world, but it also it's a tool

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Speaker 13: that can help the government bring forward the infrastructure investment.

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Speaker 3: I think most people think it's not such a bad idea.

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Speaker 3: How long does the toll last.

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Speaker 13: Well, it depends on the particular road. So for instance,

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Speaker 13: in some toll roads, the toll is for maintenance and

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Speaker 13: operations and for the actual cost of operating that road

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Speaker 13: over the lifetime of it. Others are tied to a

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Speaker 13: loan which might be paid to the NZTA to help

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Speaker 13: bring that construction forward, and then it will be over

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Speaker 13: the time that it takes to repay that loan.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about it like all Turkey to North Levin,

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Speaker 3: for example, that.

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Speaker 13: One's for the maintenance and operations of that particular road.

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Speaker 3: So they'll be paying two dollars seventy for the rest

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Speaker 3: of their lives, well well for the foreseeable and then

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Speaker 3: it's increased of the year with inflation.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, And the reality is it costs money to maintain

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Speaker 13: and operate roads. We've seen over recent years when we

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Speaker 13: don't maintain our roads properly, what happens to the quality

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Speaker 13: of that infrastructure. And so there's a modern, reliable, safe roads.

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Speaker 13: They cost money to maintain and operate, and ultimately by

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Speaker 13: having users who benefit from that modern infrastructure, the travel

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Speaker 13: time savings, the safety benefits and reliability, that means we

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Speaker 13: can protect national land transport funds to look after those

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Speaker 13: rural state highways and those local roads as well, which

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Speaker 13: people pay their road user charges for.

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Speaker 3: Because I think most people when they think of it toll,

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Speaker 3: they would think like we did with the Auckland Harbor Bridge,

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Speaker 3: told than once it was paid for, the toll stopped. Actually,

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Speaker 3: what we're moving to now is a model where you

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Speaker 3: are paying a toll for maintenance of the road you

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Speaker 3: are driving on, and you will do that forever.

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Speaker 13: As I said, it depends on the particular What we're

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Speaker 13: providing nz TA here is with a tool. They have

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Speaker 13: to put those proposals out to the communities.

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Speaker 3: The prim if you can forward, if you give them

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Speaker 3: the lever to pull though, Minister, yes, then they're going

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Speaker 3: to pull it, aren't they. Otherwise their land transport fund

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Speaker 3: is getting raided for the maintenance costs.

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Speaker 13: Well, ultimately yes, that's correct, but we're making it very clear.

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Speaker 13: The intent here is to help bring forward infrastructure. Is

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Speaker 13: about that capital cost are these roads that we're ultimately

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Speaker 13: at the same time for different projects, it will be

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Speaker 13: for the capital bring for that capital investment. Others will

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Speaker 13: be for capital and maintaining and operating them. But the

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Speaker 13: key message is we want to be able to deliver

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Speaker 13: this infrastructure. It costs a lot of money to build

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Speaker 13: these roads and we want to help bring forward that

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Speaker 13: infrastructure and we want to use it pays approach, just

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Speaker 13: like in the rest of the world where we see modern,

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Speaker 13: reliable infrastructure, paiful by the users of this infrastructure delivering

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Speaker 13: that benefit to the New Zealand economy, the.

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Speaker 3: Amountument two Hawks Bay Link, that expressway is getting a reprieve.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to be told. Despite being told that

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Speaker 3: they might be told and having protests about the toll,

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Speaker 3: they're not going to be told. Is that political decision?

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Speaker 13: Well, ultimately, the advice we got from ZTA is they

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Speaker 13: wouldn't have been able to put to toll in until

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Speaker 13: well after the road was actually opened, so it didn't

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Speaker 13: make sense. We said that outside of ouric government's expectation

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Speaker 13: that all new roads should be considered a tolling.

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Speaker 3: So because it was going to be delivered before.

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Speaker 13: It was going to be opened prior to the it

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Speaker 13: was late consultation. And also the road would have been

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Speaker 13: opened prior to the ZT being to put tolling infrastructure

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Speaker 13: in place.

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Speaker 2: It sounds a toll on it.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like it was quite a political decision. It

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Speaker 3: sounds like one you didn't want, you didn't want to

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Speaker 3: fight on your hands.

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Speaker 13: Cabinets made the call based on those reasons. We think

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Speaker 13: that's a sensible to that situation. But going forward, we've

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Speaker 13: been very clear this is our government's expectation to help

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Speaker 13: deliver new infrastructure, the modern, reliable infrastructure, that New Zealanders

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Speaker 13: need so we can reduce travel times increased productivity. Tolling

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Speaker 13: will be considered for all major new roads.

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Speaker 3: That is some in Brown transportmans to thank you very

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Speaker 3: much for coming on the show. This afternoon at eleven

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Speaker 3: after five News Talk set.

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Speaker 2: B Brian Brief.

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Speaker 3: The government is going back to the drawing board on

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Speaker 3: reforming the Holidays Act. Following consultation on its initial plan.

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Speaker 3: It's found that it could actually make problems worse. The

753
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Speaker 3: legislation was meant to be changed two years ago, but

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Speaker 3: officials will now begin work on an hour's based a

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Speaker 3: cruel model for annual leave. Brook van Valden is the

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Speaker 3: Workplace Relations Minister. She's with me this evening, Brook, good evening,

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Speaker 3: Good evening, Ryan Minister. How can it be so hard

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Speaker 3: to calculate holiday pain annual leave?

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Speaker 14: Well, that's a very very good question. But unfortunately our

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Speaker 14: law has been so complicated that nearly every business has

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Speaker 14: become non complain at some point, and even government departments

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Speaker 14: have gotten it wrong, which I find quite ironic. But look,

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Speaker 14: we went out for consultation on the five years of

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Speaker 14: work that the Labor government had done behind the scenes

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Speaker 14: and ask people, hey, do you think that this one

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Speaker 14: is good? Can we continue with it? And the overwhelming

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Speaker 14: response we got was no, it makes it even worse,

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Speaker 14: it's even more complicated. So I've made a decision that

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Speaker 14: I'm asking my officials let's make a law that simple.

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Speaker 14: I don't want one that just works. It's actually got

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Speaker 14: to be something that both workers in business can understand.

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Speaker 7: So starting again, they.

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Speaker 3: Should be honest about it. Minister. I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of ministers might try and hide the fact they write

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Speaker 3: a law that an amendment that was not that good.

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Speaker 3: So okay, fair enough, you're going to tackle the problem.

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Speaker 3: What does this mean for those you know, I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: of Health New Zealand here, who have got these huge

779
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Speaker 3: bills on their books that they need. Does it affect

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Speaker 3: that at all?

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Speaker 14: Well, look, it won't affect what's currently gone wrong. You know,

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Speaker 14: if people have been no non compliant with the current law,

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Speaker 14: that will still stand. But what I'm hoping to do

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Speaker 14: in the future has put a line in the sand

785
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Speaker 14: and say from this date onwards, this is the law

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Speaker 14: that you must follow, and let's make it as simple

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Speaker 14: and easy to understand for everybody. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 14: to say that we're overriding the non compliance that's happened

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Speaker 14: in the past. It's just a real shame that businesses

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Speaker 14: have been suffering for so many years being unable to

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Speaker 14: follow a law and pay people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but nothing from the past will change going forward.

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Speaker 3: Then does that mean that we're going to keep making

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Speaker 3: mistakes until you change the law.

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Speaker 14: Well, the current law will still apply.

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Speaker 3: So what I'm hoping to say current law is we're

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Speaker 3: making mistakes in the current law, right, so we're probably

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Speaker 3: going to have more booboos before we get a fix.

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Speaker 14: Well, anybody who's not sure what they should do with

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Speaker 14: the law, they can always go on to MB's website

801
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Speaker 14: and try and figure it out from there. But I

802
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Speaker 14: know it is very frustrating, which is why I'm trying

803
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Speaker 14: to work as quickly as possible to get something right.

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Speaker 14: What I don't want to do, though, is past a

805
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Speaker 14: law that would make it even worse for people. So

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Speaker 14: we're being very upfront that the law that was full

807
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Speaker 14: five years in the making is not fit for purpose.

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Speaker 14: I'm going to go and ask my officials to do

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Speaker 14: hours based a cruel model, so that means that anybody

810
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Speaker 14: will know how much and you'll leave they get paid

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Speaker 14: based on how many hours they work. Sounds simple enough.

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Speaker 14: There will be a lot of technicality, and I still

813
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Speaker 14: want to get that passed in the same timeframes that

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Speaker 14: the previous government and have in place.

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Speaker 3: All right, so we'll have something by the end of

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Speaker 3: the term. Then from you, And on the minimum wage,

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Speaker 3: I know you're going to announce very shortly the twenty

818
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Speaker 3: twenty five minimum wage. It was you went up two

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Speaker 3: percent for the last time you did it, right to

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Speaker 3: twenty three dollars fifteen. Can we expect a similar increase

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Speaker 3: this time?

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Speaker 15: Oh?

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Speaker 14: Look, I can't let you know exactly what it's going

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Speaker 14: to be at the moment, but I'm hoping to have

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Speaker 14: a Christmas present for people and announce that before Christmas,

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Speaker 14: so you just have to wait a few more sleeps.

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Speaker 3: Inflation was two point two percent in the year two October.

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Speaker 3: Can we expect at least sort of people being compensated

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Speaker 3: for prices?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Look, look what I would say there is inflation has

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Speaker 14: been falling.

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Speaker 1: We know that.

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Speaker 14: We know even last time that I set the minimum wage,

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Speaker 14: that the forecasts fell much faster than people expected. And

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Speaker 14: that's a good thing. But of course I'm not going

837
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Speaker 14: to let slip today what it will be, you just

838
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Speaker 14: have to wait just a little bit longer. But I'm

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Speaker 14: also really thinking of the businesses who have been doing

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Speaker 14: it extremely tough with rising costs, and we know that

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Speaker 14: they've really been struggling over the last winter. So at

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Speaker 14: the forefront of my mind is getting a balance right

843
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Speaker 14: so that we pay people correctly, but we're also not

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Speaker 14: putting too much cost onto businesses so that they have

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Speaker 14: to lay off staff or anything because the minimum wage

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Speaker 14: is going up.

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Speaker 3: Brooke van Valden, the workplace Relations minister. Brook, thank you

848
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Speaker 3: very much for coming on the show and coming up

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Speaker 3: five news Talk, said b Controversial US commentator Candice Owens

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Speaker 3: has been granted a visa to work in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: It comes as a u turn from the government, which

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Speaker 3: had earlier rejected her application that was immigrated in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand that did that. The minister has come in and

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Speaker 3: overruled that author and expert on the far right and

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Speaker 3: alt right extremism as Byron Clark. He's with me tonight

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Speaker 3: byring good evening to you think you're Kyoa. So obviously

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Speaker 3: she is coming here. Are you going to go watch you?

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Speaker 15: I'm not going to go watch you.

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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any interest in knowing what how she thinks? Well?

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Speaker 15: I do yes, because obviously, as you mentioned, I've been

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Speaker 15: studying the fi right, and while I've mostly focused on

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Speaker 15: people in this country, I'm aware of American influences like Owen,

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Speaker 15: so I have some familiarity with the sort of ideas

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Speaker 15: that she's promoting. But I wouldn't want to go to

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Speaker 15: one of her speaking events to the buyer buying a

892
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Speaker 15: ticket and allowing her to drive income from spreading these

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Speaker 15: ideas in this country.

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Speaker 3: What exactly has she said that you think is exceptional?

895
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Speaker 15: Well, she's made a number of comments on various issues.

896
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Speaker 15: She's promoted conspiracy theories around COVID nineteen and around members

897
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Speaker 15: of the LGBT community, such as alleging that a mass

898
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Speaker 15: shooter in the US was a transgender when it was

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Speaker 15: not a transgender person who carried that out. Probably the

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Speaker 15: most egregious they were some of the comments that she's

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Speaker 15: made around Jewish people and the Holocaust, such as suggesting

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Speaker 15: that the Holocaust was an ethnic cleansing that almost happened.

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Speaker 15: Wasn't an ethnic cleansing that almost happened. It was an

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Speaker 15: ethic clinting that did happen and resulted in the mass

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Speaker 15: murder of sex million Jewish people and millions of others.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But and I'm not defending her, but did she you

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Speaker 3: know when she said almost happened, as in, it wasn't

909
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Speaker 3: completely successful, It didn't achieve all the objectives it wanted to.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is is there enough rigal room? Are

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Speaker 3: these issues so fraught and controversial? And then argued back

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Speaker 3: and forth on Twitter a thousand times to the point

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Speaker 3: where they become they have no resemblance to what was

914
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Speaker 3: originally intended. Is it one of those instances or do

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Speaker 3: you think this is genuinely, you know, inciting hatred stuff.

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Speaker 15: I think it's genuinely Holocaust denial if you look at

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Speaker 15: the laws around holocost denile in Germany and in other

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Speaker 15: European countries that experienced occupation during the Second World War.

919
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Speaker 15: This would meet the criteria for Holocaust denial. It's also

920
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Speaker 15: notable that she was a conservative commentator with the American

921
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Speaker 15: publication The Daily Wire, but after these comments another comments

922
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Speaker 15: she's made about Jewish people, she departed from that, and

923
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Speaker 15: the co founder of the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, who

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Speaker 15: is you know, certainly no liberal or leftist, but is

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Speaker 15: himself Jewish, called these these comments of referhensible. So I

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Speaker 15: don't think it's really that controversial to say that. I

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Speaker 15: think she has said amount to anti Semitism and Holocaust demil.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting you bring up Germany because in Germany it's

929
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Speaker 3: also illegal to say from the river to the sea.

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Speaker 3: On that basis, Chloe Swabur could be in trouble.

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Speaker 15: M yes, And I mean you can debate whether that

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Speaker 15: should be the case or whether it shouldn't. I think

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Speaker 15: that's perhaps a little different from the Holocaust denial laws

934
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Speaker 15: they have there, being that this is the country that

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Speaker 15: has that legacy of the Holocaust.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's why they have the river to

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Speaker 3: the sea law as well. It's it's obviously quite a

938
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Speaker 3: related issue, is related yeah, yeah, by an interesting one.

939
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Speaker 3: Obviously's obviously whether we like it or not, She's coming

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Speaker 3: and people will, I guess make up their own minds

941
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Speaker 3: about whether they go. But great to have you on

942
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Speaker 3: the show for your perspective tonight, Barron. Thank you, Thank you.

943
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Speaker 3: Byron Clark, author and expert on the far right and

944
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Speaker 3: alt right extremism. Twenty four after five News Talk SAIB.

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Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers talk to Ryan First, Ryan Bridge on

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Speaker 1: Heather Duper c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's

947
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Speaker 1: get connected news talk as the'd be.

948
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Speaker 3: It is twenty seven after five, and it's a Christmas

949
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Speaker 3: party season right now on a Friday evening, and this

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Speaker 3: is a PSA to everybody go home early if you're

951
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Speaker 3: feeling boost That's my philosophy. It always has been, get in,

952
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Speaker 3: get the freeze stuff, get out two hours max. Yes,

953
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Speaker 3: there are people you work with who you like, but

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Speaker 3: there are also people you work with that you don't like.

955
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Speaker 3: And if there aren't people you don't like, there'll be

956
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Speaker 3: people outside of work that you would rather spend your

957
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Speaker 3: time with, so go and spend it with them. So

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Speaker 3: if you're in a taxi right now, you're a few

959
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Speaker 3: bears deep. Maybe off to whatever bar your boss has

960
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Speaker 3: decided is cheap enough to put a few on this

961
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Speaker 3: year fun don't stay long. They won't be In the UK.

962
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Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, they've tightened the laws there. You have to

963
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Speaker 3: take reasonable steps now to ensure that there's no sexual harassment.

964
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Speaker 3: How on earth do you do that? Does that mean

965
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Speaker 3: no dancing in case bodies get too close to one another?

966
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Speaker 3: Obviously it's a laudable thing to be doing, but these

967
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Speaker 3: laws do seem a little bit piecemeal. What they actually

968
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Speaker 3: do is put a chilling effect on parties period. Employers

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Speaker 3: go risk free with no booze, or in the case

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Speaker 3: of our workplace, which is where everyone is right now,

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Speaker 3: it's a two hour of fair in and out go

972
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Speaker 3: one of the good old days. But if your workplace

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Speaker 3: is still partying like it's nineteen ninety three, just picture

974
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Speaker 3: Monday morning before making any wild decisions tonight. That should

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Speaker 3: sober you up pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought.

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Speaker 3: Twenty eight after five Ryan Bridge coming up after the

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Speaker 3: news at five point thirty, lots to talk about. Actually

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Speaker 3: there is. Don't put your washing your laundry on your

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Speaker 3: patio if you live in an apartment building, we'll do that.

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Speaker 3: Goats did they kill? And this year's hunting competition around

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, I'll tell you the number. Also, what are

983
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Speaker 3: they fighting over in the British Parliament. It's not the

984
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Speaker 3: cost of living, but it's got a lot to do

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Speaker 3: with food. I'll tell you more about that too.

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need

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Speaker 1: Ryan bridge On, Heather dou Percy Ellen Dry with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. Let's get connected and news Talk Zied be.

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Speaker 3: Good evening New Zealand US twenty four away from Sex

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Speaker 3: News Talk zib. On the twelve day of Christmas, we

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Speaker 3: get thirteen thousand dead goats. The governments put out a

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Speaker 3: press rely celebrating the fact that we have a record

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Speaker 3: wild goat hunting competition, removing twelve nine and thirty five

994
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Speaker 3: goats from the wild, which is a good thing because

995
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Speaker 3: they're bad for farmland, they're bad for our native species,

996
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Speaker 3: bad for a whole bunch of reasons. It's the second

997
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Speaker 3: time that a national competition has been held and the

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Speaker 3: number of goats killed up twenty two percent on last year,

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Speaker 3: which is pretty good. So thirteen thousand goats killed altogether.

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Speaker 3: My question is why does everybody get so up and

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Speaker 3: out And this is a genuine question. Okay, I'm not

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Speaker 3: asking this for any other reason than I'm just interested

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Speaker 3: in your response. But why does everyone get so upset

1004
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Speaker 3: and up in arms about feral cats being killed in

1005
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Speaker 3: competitions but not goats? Is it because there is a

1006
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Speaker 3: difference in the level of intelligence between these two animals?

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Speaker 3: Or is it because one is domesticated so we have

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Speaker 3: more of an affinity with it?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What is that?

1011
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: Do we value one more than the other? Is one

1012
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Speaker 3: smarter than the other?

1013
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 2: Is that?

1014
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Speaker 5: Why?

1015
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Speaker 3: What is the Isn't it kind of the same with

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Speaker 3: the greyhounds issue and the horses? This week we canceled

1017
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Speaker 3: the greyhounds, we keep the horse racing. Now, I'm agnostic

1018
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Speaker 3: on the whole thing, but aren't you either an animal

1019
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Speaker 3: rights person or not? Like you're either kill no animal

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Speaker 3: for any reason or you're not. And when you can't

1021
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Speaker 3: sort of be half pregnant on these issues, can you?

1022
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Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety two is the number to text with Love's

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Speaker 3: twenty two away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,

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Speaker 1: local and global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 16: The new team will belong to the people of Paper

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Speaker 16: New Guinea. It will call Port Moresby home, and I

1028
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Speaker 16: know it will have millions literally of proud fans.

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Speaker 3: Certainly been a massive part of adding to a culture

1030
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Speaker 3: of this team, and as a fast bowler, to play

1031
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Speaker 3: the amount that he has has been here truly remarkable.

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Speaker 1: Three.

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Speaker 13: I was closer to here than it is to the

1034
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Speaker 13: other side of Perth, which is pretty unique for guys

1035
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Speaker 13: to go on experience, even just a year in a

1036
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Speaker 13: different place instead of going overseas and plans way over there.

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Speaker 3: Sports Huddle, it is your Friday night Nikki starrs sports

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Speaker 3: journalists with us and Paul Allison News Talks. You'd be

1039
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Speaker 3: rugby commentator. Good evening, guys, Great to have you on. Nikki.

1040
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Speaker 3: You I saw you the other day on your bike.

1041
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Speaker 3: You've been biking all over Auckland. Very impressive.

1042
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Speaker 17: You know what I was waiting for that? Is this

1043
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Speaker 17: going to be about sport?

1044
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

1045
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Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah. I had a hip replacement about nine weeks ago,

1046
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Speaker 17: so I have taken up cycling around Auckland, which probably

1047
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Speaker 17: means I'll be in from another hi placement soon when

1048
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Speaker 17: I get knocked off. But yeah, it was lovely to

1049
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Speaker 17: see you Ryan.

1050
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you're looking great. You're looking great. Good to

1051
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Speaker 3: see you keeping fighting for two and then year spiking.

1052
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Speaker 3: Cycling is sport technically.

1053
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Speaker 2: How many read?

1054
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Speaker 4: How many red cones did you have to dodge?

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Speaker 18: Nicky?

1056
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Speaker 17: What my husband's ones?

1057
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Speaker 3: He's in traffic management, hey, Tim Southy. So we're not

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Speaker 3: quite certain yet whether Paul whether he's going to be

1059
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Speaker 3: in the lineup for tomorrow's Test. But do you think

1060
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Speaker 3: if he is there, is it because he deserves to

1061
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Speaker 3: be there or because it's sentimental.

1062
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Speaker 19: Look, I don't really care which option it is. To

1063
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Speaker 19: be fair, I think i'd like to see him there because,

1064
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Speaker 19: let's face it, he hasn't been in sparkling form with

1065
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Speaker 19: the ball and recent Test matches, but he's been a

1066
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Speaker 19: fantastic servant. The black Caps have got nothing on this

1067
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Speaker 19: riding on this Test match at all, the bloss the series.

1068
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Speaker 19: They're out of the World Test Championship calculations. And he's

1069
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Speaker 19: a man who's been around for sixteen years in that

1070
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Speaker 19: international team. He's had more Test wins than anybody else

1071
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Speaker 19: and he's been a real servant on his home ground.

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Speaker 19: I think he deserves it farewell at this particular occasion,

1073
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Speaker 19: and I'm quite happy for him to be there, whether

1074
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Speaker 19: he gets there on his merit or whether it's sentimental pick,

1075
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Speaker 19: I don't mind, Niki.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I'd probably have to reiterate what Paul said. Really, look,

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Speaker 17: I thought about this hard, and I thought back in

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Speaker 17: the day when Scott was playing. If he was having

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Speaker 17: his last hurrah and it was a chance to plow

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Speaker 17: on set in part which was his time ground, I

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Speaker 17: would sit there and absolutely, on a personal level, I

1082
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Speaker 17: would love to see him play. So if you if

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Speaker 17: you sit there on merit, I think you've got to

1084
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Speaker 17: say to yourself, well, he is one of New Zealand's

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Speaker 17: top three bowlers ever, so yes, he deserves to have

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Speaker 17: a good scent off. And the other question is who

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Speaker 17: would actually replace him right now? Is there somebody that's

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Speaker 17: standing out that is being aggrieved by this process? And

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Speaker 17: I would say no. I think Nathan Smith's. You know,

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00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 17: he's he's starting to show promise, but it's not like

1091
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 17: you go, he's a mass play Jacob Duffy, not necessarily,

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00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 17: So I'm with you. I think it's it would be

1093
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 17: a great opportunity to fear well one of New Zealand's

1094
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 17: great bowlers. And I know Tim well and I know

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00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 17: that he will be, you know, be going out there

1096
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Speaker 17: to you know, put on a show for the people

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Speaker 17: of New Zealand and people of Hamilton and end his

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00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 17: career on a high.

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Speaker 3: Also, it doesn't it doesn't really matter, does it, because

1100
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 3: we've already lost that's.

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00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: Well, that's what.

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00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 13: Sip.

1103
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 17: But it doesn't mature.

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00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 19: This guy set more records than the Beatles in the sixties, really,

1105
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 19: because you know, he's just he's just turned he just

1106
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 19: turned thirty six two days ago, so he's had a

1107
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 19: birthday present a couple of days ago. And he's somebody that,

1108
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 19: in my opinion, really deserves that sort of send off.

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00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 19: And so I'm really comfortable with that, and I think,

1110
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 19: wouldn't it be great, wouldn't it.

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00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 15: Just be great?

1112
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 19: Just imagine this if he goes out, knocks over Joe

1113
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 19: root in comes, how he brock knocks him over. Ben

1114
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 19: Stok goes out, he gets a hat trick right away

1115
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 19: from the sand off. I mean, I know it's probably

1116
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 19: pigs flying past the window at the moment, but you know,

1117
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 19: sillier things have happened in sport.

1118
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it sounds like, we've got two big ticks

1119
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 3: of approval from you too, So that's something Paul should

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Speaker 3: Will Young open instead of Devin Comay, do.

1121
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Speaker 19: You think, well, Devin Conways, I understand, is not available.

1122
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 19: So Will Young is the obvious choice. He was in

1123
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 19: great form in India, but it's a bit different at home.

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00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 19: He's been around for a while now, he's been He's

1125
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 19: he thirty two years of age, had nineteen tests, only

1126
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 19: an average of thirty. But with what we saw that

1127
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 19: he showed in those three test matches where he averaged

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00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 19: about forty eight runs, I think he is the obvious

1129
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 19: choice to take over from Devin Conway test starting tomorrow.

1130
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 3: He's out for dead duty, I think, isn't he is

1131
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 3: the papaw again. Let's go to NRL Nikki the Papua

1132
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: New Guinea thing. Is this going to be a Port

1133
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: Moresby team? Is it going to be a lasting success?

1134
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: Can something like that be a lasting success? Do you think?

1135
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: Or is this more of just a political you know,

1136
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: a regional security play.

1137
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 17: Oh look, it's it's both those things. Let's face it.

1138
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 17: When you know Papua New Guinea is very strategically placed

1139
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 17: in the world, and so there is a definite reason

1140
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 17: why the Australian government is pumping six hundred million dollars

1141
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 17: into securing them as their you know, major security partner.

1142
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 17: But it's also particularly good for rugby league there and

1143
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 17: it will open up, you know, a lot of a

1144
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 17: lot of doors there for business, trade, sport. I think

1145
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 17: it will last so long as the Government of Australia

1146
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 17: sorry Paper Guinea government doesn't decide to suddenly sign some

1147
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 17: sort of impact with China, because one thing I did

1148
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 17: notice is that the Australian government can pull out at

1149
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 17: any time if they wish, so, you know, it's it's

1150
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 17: definitely strategic. But I think I listened to Cam George

1151
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 17: talking about, you know, whether the New Zealand should be

1152
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 17: disappointed that they weren't in the running, and I would

1153
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 17: say no, because we don't have that sort of financial backend,

1154
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 17: We don't have the grassroots, Our player pool would be

1155
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 17: stretched something terrible. So I think it's just I actually

1156
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 17: think it's a bit of a win win for NRL

1157
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 17: and probably Australia.

1158
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 19: Well what do you think, Yeah, it's about money to

1159
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 19: some degree. I mean six hundred million dollars is a

1160
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 19: lot of money for the Australian government to pump that

1161
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 19: into PMNG, which is going to be one hundred and

1162
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 19: fifty of that and the rest of it I understand

1163
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 19: as being spread across the Pacific to help develop some

1164
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 19: of those nations, Tongue at some and FIGI. But it's

1165
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 19: really interesting that the players who are going to play

1166
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 19: for this NRL side based at Moresby, they're going to

1167
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 19: be granted tax and centers to relocate from New Zealand

1168
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 19: and Australia and they're going to be housed in government

1169
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 19: funded secure compound and Port Moresby. So it's not going

1170
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 19: to be a PNG based team in terms of where

1171
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 19: they have come from. Necessarily, it's going to be you know,

1172
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 19: picking up the players, the ones that either can't get

1173
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 19: contracts or are incentivized by the money that's going to

1174
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 19: be on offer to go to p ANDNG to get

1175
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 19: them up and running. So it'll be interesting to see

1176
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 19: how it goes. It's a ten year deal and as

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00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 19: Nicki quite rightly said, the Australian government can pull out

1178
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 19: at any stage, but you would imagine something would have

1179
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 19: to probably go terribly lot wrong or they just don't

1180
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 19: get the crowd support for that for that to occur.

1181
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 19: So I think they're there. They're going to be the

1182
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 19: eighteenth team. Be interesting to see who turns up as

1183
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 19: team number nineteen. Probably Perth in Kenna, South Island get

1184
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 19: team number twenty somewhere in the next few years.

1185
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 3: Big story this week the fief of World Cup going

1186
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 3: to Saudi Arabia. I want to get your takes on that. Next.

1187
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 3: Nicky Star as sports journalist and Paul Allison News Talks,

1188
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: they'd be Rugby commentator on the sports Huddle. Your Friday night.

1189
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: Friday sports Huddle. It's New Zealand Sotheby's International Realty elevate

1190
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: the marketing of your home.

1191
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: I'm Ryan Bridget's twelve to six. Nikki Star a sports

1192
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 3: journalist and Paul Ellison News Talks. They'd be Rugby commentated

1193
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 3: with me tonight, let's talk fever. I can't understand, Nikki,

1194
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 3: what this story is about. Why there are such a

1195
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 3: big fuss being made about it. This is the FIFA

1196
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 3: World Cup going to Saudi Arabia. I mean, why are

1197
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: the people in New Dalen complaining about this. We've just

1198
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 3: signed a free trade deal with the golf states, including Saudia.

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Speaker 3: Arabia for goodness sakes, I mean, what's the big deal here?

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01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 17: Look, Ran, I think that people like to make a

1201
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 17: noise about the fact that there is they have a

1202
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 17: poor human rights record, and rightly so they do. But

1203
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 17: the problem is that, like the NRAL discussion, we've just

1204
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 17: had money talks and you've only got to sit there

1205
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 17: and look at what sports of Saudi Arabia currently is

1206
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 17: pretty much taking over. They've got football, they've got live golf,

1207
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 17: they've got cricket leagues. India's growing their ties with Saudi

1208
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 17: Arabia all the time. They have major horse racing, they've

1209
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 17: got the Formula one Saudi GP, they've got boxing, they

1210
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 17: had the WTA finals in the tennis. They are a huge,

1211
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 17: huge force when it comes to a sports investor. So

1212
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 17: I think that people like to do the right thing

1213
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 17: and say they're not necessarily the moral country that we

1214
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 17: would like to host these events. But it really doesn't last.

1215
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 17: The chat doesn't last because the money takes over.

1216
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 3: Sadly, Paul, you agree with that money talks.

1217
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 19: How many talks? And I think Nikki summed it up

1218
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 19: really well in terms of what we've seen in recent

1219
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 19: times with Formula one in boxing and golf and horse

1220
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 19: racing and the like, which has been a sort of

1221
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 19: recent trend where they've been able to host sports at

1222
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 19: an international level, some of them the richest sports in

1223
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 19: the world, and they've done it pretty well. I was

1224
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 19: in Katar when the FIFA World Cup qualifying matches were

1225
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 19: on and they built seven stadiums over there out of

1226
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 19: the eight that they hosted them, and they had air

1227
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 19: conditioning inside and the temperature was controlled under each seat.

1228
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 19: You're getting the air pumped out under your seat, controlled

1229
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 19: it to sixteen degrees outside it was forty one degrees.

1230
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 19: These guys in Saudi Arabia they're going to build, so

1231
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 19: we're going to have fifteen stadiums. Three of them are

1232
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 19: in construction now yet to start. We can't even get

1233
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 19: a hospital underneed, and I mean.

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01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: It a go.

1235
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 19: We count build one stadium, that's right, And so you

1236
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 19: start looking at that and it's all about money. But

1237
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 19: when they spend the money, they.

1238
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: Do it really well.

1239
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 19: And we didn't hear too many complaints after the twenty

1240
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 19: twenty two fief for World Cup after Katar hosted that,

1241
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 19: and I think Nikki absolutely summed it up beautifully in

1242
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 19: terms of it is about human rights and that's where

1243
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 19: the concerns are coming. But these guys got voted in

1244
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 19: unopposed for twenty thirty four and you can't really Maybe

1245
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 19: it will happened a bit quickly behind closed doors, but

1246
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 19: it's happened. Let's get on, let's make the most of it.

1247
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 3: And also you ask yourself the counterfactual, if we didn't

1248
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 3: go take the fief of World Cup, there would any

1249
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 3: of those human rights abuses change? No, you know, and

1250
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 3: at least by having at least by going there, you

1251
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 3: might open some eyes to a different perspective on the world.

1252
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 3: I don't know, but certainly if you don't go then

1253
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 3: nothing changes too. So there's that argument as well. Nine

1254
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 3: away from six now on news Talk MB and we've

1255
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 3: got our Friday sports huddle with us. Should James o'connoby

1256
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 3: starting at number actually he is starting at number ten?

1257
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 3: Is that what we've just found out? He is going

1258
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 3: to be starting at number ten?

1259
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: NICKI, I've got a real problem with this.

1260
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 17: Look, I guess you've got I guess you've got to

1261
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 17: ask yourself about super rugby that what is the reason

1262
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 17: for super rugby? Is it about winning it? Or is

1263
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 17: it about developing the next you know, developing the next

1264
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 17: World Cup winning All Black side, and that to me

1265
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 17: sort of says it all. I don't think James O'Connor

1266
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 17: should be starting at number ten because the South Super

1267
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 17: Rugby is essentially a feeder tournament for New Zealand All

1268
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 17: Blacks at the moment. It's a development comp and we

1269
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 17: cannot go and play over there because if we do,

1270
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 17: we are not eligible for the All Blacks. My problem

1271
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 17: is this, Well, one of them, Ardie Savia, he has

1272
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 17: just said that he will be going or has been

1273
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 17: granted a permission to play for more on the Pacifica

1274
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 17: in the Super Rugby competition. So why is it that

1275
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 17: he's allowed to go and do it. And yet if

1276
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 17: any of the other Super Rugby All Blacks go overseas

1277
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 17: to these Super Rugby competitions in Australia, they're suddenly not eligible.

1278
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 17: Maybe paulk And shed some light on that. Pablo Materra

1279
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 17: came down here played for the Crusaders. Basically, what you

1280
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 17: are doing is you are stopping a young person in

1281
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 17: this country developing to the point where they will be

1282
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 17: the next Dan Carter. In the case of James O'Connor.

1283
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 17: We're trying to win a World Cup in three or

1284
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 17: four years time. We need those players here developed, not

1285
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 17: sitting on the sidelines while study four year olds come

1286
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 17: down and take their spots.

1287
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 19: Yeah, it's an interesting one, nicky, isn't it. I mean

1288
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 19: you look at the players that have gone from New

1289
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 19: Zealand across to Australia and have played in the Super

1290
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 19: Rugby competition. Players likes I guess Jeremy Thrush and Tarmody

1291
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 19: Ellison and Jeffrey Turmunger Allen and now Aiden Ross is

1292
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 19: heading across the They've done that and they haven't really

1293
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 19: been in contention for all Black consideration. They've been pasted,

1294
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 19: their best, have had their time, or in Aiden Ross's case,

1295
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 19: it looks like he just hasn't been out. He's been

1296
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 19: surpassed by some other players. I guess the Crusaders they've

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Speaker 19: always had a rock star at number ten, from Andrew

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Speaker 19: Mertens to Daniel Cardy to the Richie Muhanga. They've lost

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Speaker 19: a couple of players in recent times, with Brett Cammeron

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Speaker 19: moving north and Fergus Burke moving overseas. They've got ta

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Speaker 19: Kemera and Revere's Rayhanna, both young guys in the MAX

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Speaker 19: and I would expect them to get quite a bit

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Speaker 19: of game time. I'm not sure whether it's a done

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Speaker 19: deal that James O'Connor will start this year for the Crusaders.

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Speaker 19: He might have a couple of matches, but I think

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Speaker 19: he's there as a bit of a backstop and to

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Speaker 19: provide some experience. I hear the concerns that Nicki shed

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Speaker 19: and I don't disagree with those, But each of these

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Speaker 19: New Zealand teams in the Super Rugby are allowed to

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Speaker 19: have two overseas players who you bring in, where you

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Speaker 19: bring them from, and what positions they play. And I

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Speaker 19: guess it's over to the individual teams and the clubs

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Speaker 19: themselves to decide on that and where their gaps might

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Speaker 19: best be filled. So in a way, the market forces

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Speaker 19: can determine that.

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Speaker 3: And absolutely, Paul, thank you for that great analysis. Paul Allison,

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Speaker 3: News Talks ZIB Rugby commentator Nicki starrus sports journalist. You're

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Speaker 3: on news Talk SHIB. It is six to six.

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Speaker 1: Red or Blue, Trump or Harris who will win the

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Speaker 1: battleground states. The latest on the US election is Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Allan Drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected

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Speaker 1: Us Talks INB.

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Speaker 3: Three to six on News Talk ZIB. Things We've learned

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Speaker 3: on Drive this afternoon. Toll roads, according to Simeon Brown,

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Speaker 3: will pay for repairs and maintenance, not just build costs,

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Speaker 3: which means we could end up paying them forever. And

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Speaker 3: the minimum wage is going to go up next year.

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Speaker 3: Brook van Velden confirmed to the show she wouldn't say

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Speaker 3: by how much coming up next Key We Savor changes.

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Speaker 3: We're live in Hong Kong and London. Stay with us.

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Speaker 1: What's up, what's down, what were the major calls and

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Speaker 1: how will it have back the economy of big business

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Speaker 1: questions on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and my

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Speaker 1: ator on NEWSTALKSB.

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Speaker 3: No matter where you are tonight, it's great to have

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Speaker 3: you on News Talks B. The government is making changes

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Speaker 3: to try and get more capital flowing around the economy.

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Speaker 3: Commerce and Consumer Fairs Minister Andrew Bailey he's come out

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Speaker 3: and he's going to make it easier for key We

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Speaker 3: Saver funds to invest in unlisted companies and assets. He's

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Speaker 3: also going to try and remove some of the hurdles,

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Speaker 3: some of the barriers that the listed companies on the

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Speaker 3: INSIDEX face like climate change rules, et cetera. Kirk Hope,

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Speaker 3: the CEO of the Financial Services Council, he's with me tonight,

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Speaker 3: Kirk gooday today here you do good, thank you. Let's

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Speaker 3: talk with the keep we saver funds. First, Why can't

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Speaker 3: key we saver funds invest in unlisted companies? Now, what's

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Speaker 3: the logic for that?

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Speaker 2: So they can?

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Speaker 18: It's just very difficult because there's some liquidity rules that

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Speaker 18: are that are in place, and so what does that

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Speaker 18: actually mean. It's because ken we savers can withdraw funds

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Speaker 18: out of out of the keV saver fund after after

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Speaker 18: they have retirement age. So that's that's something they can do.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 18: It just means that there are some rules in place,

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Speaker 18: which means that that that if they weren't in place.

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Speaker 6: You know, make it easier.

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Speaker 18: It makes it easier for those key savers, were harder

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Speaker 18: for those KEB savers to withdraw. So if you've got

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Speaker 18: an what's called an a liquid asset, you know, if

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Speaker 18: you're talking about an infrastructure fund that you might have

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Speaker 18: a long long life that would be seen as an

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Speaker 18: an I liquid asset. You know, that means the fund

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Speaker 18: can't liquidate it and pay it out or pay a

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Speaker 18: portion of that out. So there's there's some things that

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Speaker 18: Minister Bailey's done here to make it easier for for

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Speaker 18: keV saver fund managers to invest in some of these

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Speaker 18: less liquid assets.

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Speaker 3: How do you do that then if you need your

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Speaker 3: money out?

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Speaker 18: Well, there's there's a couple of things that they're looking at,

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Speaker 18: for example, extending or asking key savers for example, if

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Speaker 18: they want to invest in those types of assets, if

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Speaker 18: they want their funds to be invested in those types

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Speaker 18: of sets, and then having a longer notice period. For example,

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Speaker 18: the current notice periods ten days, and so you know

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Speaker 18: that might be that might stretch out to thirty days

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Speaker 18: or something, but they're going to consult on it and

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Speaker 18: come back to the market.

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Speaker 3: So you would basically forego some flexibility around withdrawal in

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Speaker 3: order to be able to invest in these more liquid assets.

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Speaker 18: Yeah as an investor.

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Speaker 3: As an investor, yeah cool. Interesting, So that's one side

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Speaker 3: of the equation. Is it, by the way, something you

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Speaker 3: think that the key saver funds will actually want to

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Speaker 3: do as well?

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Speaker 18: There's some that have managed to work through some of

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Speaker 18: the some of the more difficult issues with that liquidity

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Speaker 18: management process. So for example, I think simplicity here and

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Speaker 18: have have some housing investments, so you know, typically this

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Speaker 18: is just to make it easier for more more key

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Speaker 18: we saver funds to invest in those longer term assets.

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Speaker 18: So yeah, I think it will make a difference most certainly.

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Speaker 3: What types of projects, tunnels, rails, stuff like that.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, anything where there's an income that can be extracted

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Speaker 18: out of the asset if you like, over a long

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Speaker 18: period of time. It would be it would be would

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Speaker 18: be roads, tunnels, housing potentially or larger housing estates and

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Speaker 18: stuff like that, build to rent housing for example.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the changes on the other side of

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Speaker 3: the equation here. This is to do with companies that

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Speaker 3: don't aren't listing on the z X. They're kind of

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Speaker 3: maybe on the threshold and they just think they're actually

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Speaker 3: too hard basket. There are some hurdles, there are some

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Speaker 3: compliance costs from being on the z X, and the

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Speaker 3: minister is going to take a look at those. What

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Speaker 3: do you make of his moves in that space?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I think it's it's actually really really good move

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Speaker 18: if you look so that one of the key things

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Speaker 18: that that the government's doing and the Minister is doing

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Speaker 18: it making what's called prospective financial information voluntari So when

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Speaker 18: you list, you've got to go through a process of

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Speaker 18: providing and publishing forward looking prospective financial information about about

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Speaker 18: about the company for investors. So the costs are pretty expensive.

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Speaker 18: They can be from five to fifteen percent of the

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Speaker 18: total IPO costs, So that is quite a significant barrier

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Speaker 18: if you're you know, if you're relative living, modest sized firm,

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Speaker 18: but you really need to get capital in. The information

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Speaker 18: is not necessarily helping investors. That was the feedback from

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Speaker 18: the investor community. So so what the government doing is

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Speaker 18: look at looking at making that voluntary and then that'll

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Speaker 18: enable that will remove some of those costs out of

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Speaker 18: the IPO process.

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Speaker 3: One of those areas is climate disclosures. You have to

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Speaker 3: disclose what your impact on the climate is. Does do

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Speaker 3: other countries do that? Does Australia make you do that?

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Speaker 18: Yeah? They do actually, so we already have climate related

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Speaker 18: disclosure requirements, but they occur a very low threshold. So

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Speaker 18: if you're a sixty million dollar market cap company you

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Speaker 18: would have to be disclosing. What the Government and the

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Speaker 18: Minute Through proposing to do is raise that to a

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Speaker 18: five hundred and fifty million dollar cap for market capitalization.

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Speaker 18: And then there are some other things which I will

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Speaker 18: also think will help. At the moment, there is some

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Speaker 18: significant direct to liability for some of the if you

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Speaker 18: make a few breach some of the climate related disclosure

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Speaker 18: requirements if you're a director, so there's personal liability for

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Speaker 18: some of those breaches. There will still be liability for directors,

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Speaker 18: for example, for things we have acted deliberately or recklessly.

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Speaker 18: But one of the things that certainly we've been seeing

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Speaker 18: is that the costs to get that climate related disclosure

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Speaker 18: stuff right is very very expensive for companies and so

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Speaker 18: so this is a positive change, and that they're also

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Speaker 18: doing some stuff around increasing the thresholds for funds as well,

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Speaker 18: up to five billion from one billion. So overall that

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Speaker 18: aligns US with Australia and that that is a positive

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Speaker 18: thing as well.

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Speaker 3: Kirk thank you very much for that. Kirkhart Financial Services

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Speaker 3: Counts CEO on changes that the Minister Andrew Bailey is

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Speaker 3: making and looking at making both to Kei we Saver

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Speaker 3: but also to hurdles that's stopping businesses from getting on

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Speaker 3: the inns X. It's thirteen after six on News Talk

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Speaker 3: zib Barry Soaper looks back on the week in politics.

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Speaker 1: Next analysis from the experts, bringing you everything you need

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Speaker 1: to know on the US election. It's The Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my Hr Ehr Solution for

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Speaker 1: busy SMEs News TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: News TALKSB. It is sixteen after six Now, Well, what

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Speaker 3: a week in politics and welcome back to Barry Soaper,

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Speaker 3: who is wrapping the week for us from the beehive.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the fiery debacle. Barry, what a what

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Speaker 3: a way for the government to limp into the end

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Speaker 3: of the year.

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Speaker 6: Well, you could say they've been derailed, haven't they? Right

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Speaker 6: at the end of the year. The timing couldn't have

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Speaker 6: been worse for them, although in some ways it couldn't

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Speaker 6: be better either, because everyone will go off in the

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Speaker 6: holidays now and likely forget, although holidays are very much

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Speaker 6: part of the ferry service, so it'll be in some

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Speaker 6: people's minds anyway. But Winston Peters essentially has got until

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Speaker 6: next March to come up with a better deal than

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Speaker 6: what the government was planning. And the government really had

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Speaker 6: arrived at the end point. I suspect that they were

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Speaker 6: going to make the announcement this week as a fatal

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Speaker 6: com plea. Winston Peter's pulled the plug, said, I want

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Speaker 6: to be Minister of Railways. I've been in this job before.

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Speaker 6: I can do it, and in fact I can do

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Speaker 6: it better than you. I can get a better deal.

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Speaker 6: Let's it set up a company and they'll do They'll

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Speaker 6: procure the fairies through that company. Well that's the idea anyway, Ryan.

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Speaker 6: But we'll find out next March whether Winston's negotiating skills

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Speaker 6: are better than those of Nikola Willis and other governments.

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Speaker 6: So really it's a bit of a standoff, and you've

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Speaker 6: got a real standoff between David Seymour on the one

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Speaker 6: hand and Winston Peters on the other Seamour's talking about privatization,

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Speaker 6: flogging off forty nine percent of the rail network to

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Speaker 6: independent investors, whereas Winston doesn't want a bar of it.

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Speaker 6: The other thing Winston is apparently seems to be insisting

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Speaker 6: on is having a roll on, roll off train service

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Speaker 6: through the ferries as well, to make it a seamless

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Speaker 6: bottom of the South Island to the top of the

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Speaker 6: North rail network. So we'll see what happens when it

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Speaker 6: comes out in the wash. But I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 6: there's been a lot of dirty linen aired in thiswash.

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Speaker 3: Certainly has been. And I noticed that they're shifting slightly

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Speaker 3: shifting the goalposts as well by talking about four billion

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Speaker 3: dollars rather than three billion. But anyway, that's besides the point.

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Speaker 6: They figure sort of was plucked out, wasn't it right?

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Speaker 3: It was four billion?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Hey. Someone who is getting or an organization that

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Speaker 3: is going to be getting an injection of cash from

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Speaker 3: the private sector is Kiwi Bank. The four big banks

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Speaker 3: have been given a big telling off by Nichola Willis

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Speaker 3: this week. You know, the competition and Kiwibank's getting a

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Speaker 3: five hundred million dollar cash injection from the private sector.

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Speaker 3: In my mind, this is going to change nothing in

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Speaker 3: the long term. What do you reckon?

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01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 6: Well, if you listen to those that made the announcement,

1511
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 6: namely Nikola Willison go they say that it's going to

1512
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 6: make Kiwi Bank much more competitive, not just in the

1513
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 6: business market, but in the mortgage market as well. So

1514
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 6: they believe that this half billion dollar injection will in

1515
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 6: fact make Kiwi Bank a very different bank. Now, the

1516
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 6: Kiwi Bank's parent company, Kiwi Group, capital and the Treasury.

1517
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 6: They have been directed to talk to places like the

1518
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 6: New Zealand Kiwi saver funds, the New Zealand investment institutions

1519
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 6: and investor groups about coming up with the money. So

1520
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 6: they've still got a long way to go. Even though

1521
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 6: the idea that we Bank will be capitalized, the capital

1522
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 6: is not in the bank so to speak at this point.

1523
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 3: Greyhound's racing getting the chopped by Winston. Big week for

1524
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 3: Winston Peters this week, but they do have twenty months

1525
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 3: to phase themselves out, Yes they do.

1526
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 6: And I know you'll be housing one because you like dogs, Ryan,

1527
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 6: that almost three thousand dogs will have to be rehoused.

1528
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 6: The past legislation this week under urgency to stop greyhound

1529
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 6: owners from slaughtering the racers. So whether that'll stop basically

1530
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:40,879
Speaker 6: greyhound's being put to death is another matter. But Winston Peters,

1531
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 6: he says the public appetite for dog racing has fallen

1532
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 6: away dramatically and he believes the sport is cruel.

1533
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 3: But then when you look at horse racing, for.

1534
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 6: Example, Ryan, there are more injuries and deaths in horse

1535
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 6: racing than there are in gray greyhound racing, So you

1536
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 6: can imagine why the greyhound racing organizations are very upset

1537
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 6: about that. Greyhounds have been racing in New Zealand starting

1538
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 6: my home province of Southland away back in eighteen seventy six,

1539
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 6: so it's a very long standing way of gambling in

1540
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 6: this country. But we're only one of five countries in

1541
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 6: the world now that has greyhound racing, so it seems

1542
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 6: that we're following an international trend.

1543
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 3: Had a couple of holes out this week. We had

1544
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 3: one News and we had the Carrier Pole, both of

1545
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 3: them showing a bump for t Party Maori but also

1546
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 3: for the ACT Party, particularly at Carrier Pole for the

1547
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 3: ACT Party, big jump from them stealing votes from national

1548
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 3: over the Treaty bill.

1549
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's incredible, isn't it When you think Nationals down

1550
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,759
Speaker 6: four point six percent to this is in the Carrier

1551
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 6: Pole to thirty four, Labors down four point six percent,

1552
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 6: the same to twenty six point nine and who comes

1553
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 6: through the middle. Act Now this is a real campaign

1554
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 6: by ACT and not just the Treaty settlements but other

1555
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 6: issues like the rail. They're making a lot of play

1556
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 6: on that. So they seem to certainly on the Treaty

1557
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 6: settlement thing be becoming popular with National Party voters. They're

1558
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 6: up four and a half percent, thirteen percent. That'll give them,

1559
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 6: if there was an election held today, which of course

1560
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 6: there won't be, give them seventeen seats in Parliament. And ironically,

1561
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 6: that's exactly the same number that Winston Peters had when

1562
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 6: MMP first came into being in ninety six.

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01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 3: I did May Herald column about that this week because

1564
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 3: if I mean on those numbers, and yeah, they're just

1565
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 3: one pole from one poster in one month, but on

1566
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 3: those numbers, that's National and Act Together alone, you know,

1567
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 3: And that's surely got to be the goal, right Both

1568
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 3: of these smaller parties want to kick the other one out,

1569
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 3: don't they.

1570
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well you know, as we know, and the

1571
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 6: lead up to the election there is no love loss,

1572
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 6: and wasn't just the lead up to the election. There's

1573
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 6: never been any love lost between Winston Peters and David Seymour.

1574
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 6: They would die hard enemies that I've said the worst

1575
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 6: things about each other you could possibly say in politics.

1576
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 6: And then nevertheless they're sitting around the same cabinet table now.

1577
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 3: And that's what this very thing is bringing to the

1578
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 3: four Right is you've got David Sema on the one side,

1579
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 3: who wants a you know, a private privatization approach to this.

1580
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 3: He wants a capital approach to this market approach, and

1581
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 3: Winston Peter's with his nationalist approach and they just don't

1582
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 3: work together. So if you can kick the other one out,

1583
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 3: then your argument gets this way right with Luxon and co.

1584
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 6: Oh, Yeah, both both Winston and David Sema would like

1585
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 6: to see each other kicked out of Parliament, well one

1586
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 6: and the other, so you know it could possibly happen.

1587
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 6: A fact keeps on the way it's going in terms

1588
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,600
Speaker 6: of public popularity. But I tell you what, there's a

1589
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 6: hell of a lot of water to flow under the

1590
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 6: political bridge between now and the next election, right.

1591
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 3: And not a lot of fairy to get them across

1592
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 3: at Barry, thank you very much for that. Barry Soaper,

1593
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:06,919
Speaker 3: senior political correspondent with us live from Sorry from Wellington

1594
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 3: at twenty three minutes after six News Talks.

1595
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 1: EBB crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan

1596
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: Bridge with the Business Hour thanks to my HR the

1597
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: HR solution for busy s Emy's on News Talk ZBB.

1598
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Speaker 3: You might have heard about this in the news today.

1599
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 3: There's an apartment building in Mount Wellington and Auckland, and

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01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 3: apparently it's too posh for laundry. They don't want you

1601
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 3: to dry your washing your laundry out on the balconies

1602
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 3: of this apartment building because they say it's a bit tacky.

1603
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 3: The name of the apartment block is Risido. Now, if

1604
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 3: that's not tacky, I don't know what is. Honestly, if

1605
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 3: you think you can, if you think you can tell

1606
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 3: people not to put their laundry on their balconies on

1607
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 3: the basis that it's a bit tacky and have a

1608
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 3: name like Risido, come on, what's it's as bad as

1609
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 3: calling them APARTMENTO. Come to your apartment into at the

1610
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 3: Rosido building. Just don't bring you a washing I mean

1611
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 3: people have to dry this stuff, don't they. I'm looking

1612
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 3: at the photos of this apartment building. It's not the

1613
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 3: flashest building I've seen. If I'm being honest with you,

1614
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what the big fuss is about. There's

1615
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 3: actually an apartment building around the corner from where I live,

1616
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 3: and they have they're redesigning it because of exactly this problem.

1617
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 3: They say that people were putting their washing out, putting

1618
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 3: all sorts of things on the balcony. They didn't have

1619
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 3: enough privacies screening on the front of it, so they're

1620
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 3: redesigning it to actually put privacy screening on the front.

1621
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 3: Maybe that would be a solution.

1622
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 20: I mean, why I put balconies in the apartment if

1623
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 20: they don't expect people to do anything with them or

1624
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 20: use them for anything.

1625
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 3: Quite a good point. Are you allowed to stand on them?

1626
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 3: Or is that tacky too?

1627
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 9: You know?

1628
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's a terrible pipe for the residence of Risido.

1629
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 3: Twenty seven half to six. We live in the UK

1630
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 3: and Hong Kong next this man.

1631
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

1632
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour, Ryan Bridge and my HR the

1633
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: HR solution for busy SMEs, News Talks, AB's Fun.

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01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 3: Twenty five Way from seven on News Talk said b

1635
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 3: coming up before seven o'clock, We're going to go live

1636
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 3: to our UK correspondent Gavin Gray, who's standing by in

1637
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 3: London with the latest news. We've just been talking about

1638
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: very briefly about Rosido and Mount Wellington. This is the

1639
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 3: apartment building where the body corporate has insisted that residents

1640
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 3: do not hang their washing on a clothes horse on

1641
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 3: the balcony because it looks ugly. They don't like the

1642
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 3: look of it. Someone who's texted in to say, Ryan,

1643
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 3: no one in Winyard Quarter is allowed to dry their

1644
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 3: washing on the balcony's body. Corporate rules forbid. It always

1645
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 3: been that way. Have the rack and side simple. Another says, next,

1646
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 3: you'll be able to scatter rubbish on the front lawns

1647
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,600
Speaker 3: and leave lawns unmode. No, that's extreme. No one is

1648
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 3: saying that. All they're saying all. I think the point

1649
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 3: that residents are trying to make some of them anyway,

1650
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 3: is it's a sort of a necessity of life. Would

1651
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 3: you rather smelly people in smelly clothes or clean people

1652
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 3: and just the odd horse rack.

1653
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 20: I think in the case of when you had Quarter

1654
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 20: as well, Ryan wouldn't like, you know, the crisp, damp

1655
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 20: sea air like you probably wouldn't get your clothes terribly

1656
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 20: dry on the balcony down.

1657
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 3: True, it's a little bit fishy.

1658
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 20: Or if it was slightly yes, absolutely, if it was

1659
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 20: slightly windy and the wind and was whipping up the

1660
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 20: ocean and stuff.

1661
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 3: Plus you could make the argument that win you'd Quarter

1662
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 3: is quite an iconic part of the city. So if

1663
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 3: you had it looking a little decrepid, with people's you know,

1664
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 3: bras and undis hanging off the side of the balcony,

1665
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 3: then perhaps that would affect the entire the at.

1666
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 20: What are you saying about Henderson, Ryan, it's not very enough.

1667
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 3: No, No, it's Mount Wellington. Well, it's even worse.

1668
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 10: All right.

1669
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: It's twenty three away from seven on a Friday evening

1670
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 3: Bridge and we go into our Asia business correspondent Peter Lewis. Peter,

1671
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 3: the China trade surplus the largest and five months.

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01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 21: Yeah, hi, Ryan, this is indeed it's growing. In fact,

1673
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 21: it's on track to reach one trillion dollars with all

1674
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 21: the countries in the world, and in fact, China runs

1675
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 21: the trade surplus with nearly every single country in the world.

1676
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 21: There's up forty percent in November alone. I mean, this

1677
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 21: is really unsustainable. It's been unsustainable for a while. But

1678
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 21: obviously it's attracted the attention of Donald Trump, who no

1679
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 21: doubt is ready in his terriff pen for when he

1680
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:34,799
Speaker 21: gets into power in January. He's already threatened additional tariffs

1681
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 21: on China, calls his big problems for Europe. I mean,

1682
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 21: they're being flooded with ev electric vehicle imports, and their

1683
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 21: own auto industry just can't compete with this flood of

1684
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 21: Chinese goods. Also, the way the trade surplace has come

1685
01:25:52,840 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 21: about is because although exports grew, imports declined, so means

1686
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 21: that actually other countries around the world are struggling to

1687
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 21: export their goods to China. And the reason why imports

1688
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 21: have fallen in China is because a weak domestic demand.

1689
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 21: The economy is not doing that well at the moment,

1690
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 21: and consumers in China just don't want to go out

1691
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:23,560
Speaker 21: and spend, so as a result, there really is a

1692
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 21: lot of sort of pent up demand, but it's not

1693
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 21: being released now. We've just had the Chinese Economic Work Conference,

1694
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 21: which is held every year, led by President Chi Jinping,

1695
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 21: and they've said they are going to make boosting domestic

1696
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 21: demand their top priority for next year. But they did

1697
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 21: say that a year ago as well, and we haven't

1698
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,600
Speaker 21: seen that happen, and they didn't provide any details of

1699
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 21: what they were going to do to try and boost

1700
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 21: domestic demand.

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01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 3: Interesting, and we're one of those countries that's affected by

1702
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 3: exactly what you've just described. You know, obviously we have

1703
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 3: a lot of milk and dairy products that we've seen

1704
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 3: up to China, and that weaker demand has been affected

1705
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 3: us massively. It's got to South Korea. The president. They

1706
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 3: are still clinging to office and refusing to resign, even

1707
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 3: though there's going to be a vice to impictu him.

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01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 21: Yes, I think he's going to be out by Saturday.

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01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 21: They're going to hold a second impeachment vote. The first

1710
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 21: time around, he survived by the skin of his teeth

1711
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 21: because the opposition parties need eight members of the People

1712
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 21: Power Party that's the ruling conservative party to cross the

1713
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 21: isle and join them in voting for impeachment. Now, last time,

1714
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 21: the leaders of his party sort of did a deal

1715
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 21: with him whereby, in consequence of saving him from impeachment,

1716
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 21: he would in effect hand over his powers to admit

1717
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 21: to his cabinets and ministers and also to the party,

1718
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 21: and they would take over a lot of his state duties.

1719
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 21: Now there's no constitutional arrangement that allows for that, but

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Speaker 21: nevertheless it seems to be agreed whereby he would be

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Speaker 21: president in name only but wouldn't really have any powers anyway.

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Speaker 21: On Thursday, he gave a speech where he made it

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Speaker 21: clear he wasn't prepared to do any such thing. He

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Speaker 21: said he was going to fight until the last moment.

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Speaker 21: He was blaming the decision to imposed military rule on

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Speaker 21: what he called anti state forces, and he suggested that

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Speaker 21: North Korea had helped the opposition parties secure their victory

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Speaker 21: in the parliamentary elections earlier in the year. Now, the

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Speaker 21: more this is looked into, the police are investigating to

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Speaker 21: see whether there's grounds for charging him with treason. It

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Speaker 21: looks like one of the things they discovered is that

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Speaker 21: Defense Minister, when they announced this plan for martial law,

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Speaker 21: sent drones into North Korea in the hope of provoking

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Speaker 21: some sort of response from the North that would then

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Speaker 21: justify the imposition of martial law. So really it's quite

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Speaker 21: an extraordinary situation. But it seems almost almost impossible now

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Speaker 21: for you to survive the second impeachment vote on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: What's up with this guy? What is behind this ag

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Speaker 3: ego on him?

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Speaker 21: What is this Well he has actually yes, and you know,

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Speaker 21: it's hard to imagine what he was thinking of because

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01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 21: he must have known that the impeatriate, the imposition of

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Speaker 21: martial law could be overturned by a vote in parliament,

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Speaker 21: and that's exactly what happened. Maybe he thought that that

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Speaker 21: the military would stop MP's getting to Parliament in order

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Speaker 21: to be able to hold that vote, but in fact

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Speaker 21: the military didn't do an awful lot to stop them,

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Speaker 21: so that that vote went ahead, and it really styled

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Speaker 21: his plan. But yes, it is very difficult to imagine

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Speaker 21: what an earth was he thinking of here, because certainly

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01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 21: the people of self career are never going to accept

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Speaker 21: either this new arrangement that has come up with or

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Speaker 21: the imposition of martial law. They've got a very long,

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Speaker 21: sad history of martial law in South Korea and they

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Speaker 21: certainly don't want to go back to those days.

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Speaker 3: Certainly not right. Let's move on from South Korea. Talk

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Speaker 3: about the Taiwan military on highland at the moment because

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Speaker 3: of Chinese warship sailing near them.

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Speaker 21: Yes, another set of exercises going on, quite a big

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Speaker 21: set of exercises this time which involves ships of sailing

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Speaker 21: through the Taiwan Strait surrounding the island, stimulating blockades and

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Speaker 21: so on. This time it's come because the Taiwanese President

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Speaker 21: William Lai visited Guam and Hawaii on a stop off

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Speaker 21: to the South Pacific and that enraged China. They really

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01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 21: don't like any part of America or any American state

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Speaker 21: hosting the Taiwanese president. So that's what's prompted the latest

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Speaker 21: round of maneuvers. But these are the things with these

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Speaker 21: is that they are constantly keeping Taiwan on high alert

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Speaker 21: because they have to respond. Their military has to check

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Speaker 21: out what's going on, you know, the planes that are

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01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 21: crossing the demarcation line. They have to spend a lot

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Speaker 21: of money and time on doing this, so it really

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Speaker 21: stretches Taiwan's military. But I think that is part of

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Speaker 21: the aim of China here to just try and see

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Speaker 21: how far it can go and how and how much

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Speaker 21: the Taiwanese military is able to respond. And clearly the

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01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 21: worry is that one day one of these maneuvers will

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Speaker 21: turn out to be not a drill, but will actually

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Speaker 21: turn out to be the real thing, and China will

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Speaker 21: go and launch an invasion of Taiwan.

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Speaker 3: Well let's have that's not any time. So in Peter,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much. So that Peter lewis out Asia

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Speaker 3: Business correspondent with us from Hong Kong. It is sixteen

1784
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Speaker 3: away from seven News Talk zimb.

1785
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,600
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs, the Big Corporates, The Business Hour with

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01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge and my HR the HR Solution for busy

1787
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Speaker 1: SMS on News Talk zib I.

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Speaker 3: Hope you're enjoy your Friday evening everyone. It's just gone

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Speaker 3: fourteen away from seven and we're going live to London now.

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Speaker 3: Givin Gray is our UK correspondent. Given good evening, Good

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Speaker 3: morning to you. Yeah, good evening, Andrew Hospital. Ryan, Aye, sorry, man,

1792
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Speaker 3: that's okay, it happens. I just call me, call me

1793
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 3: whatever you want. Just give me the news, Kevin, tell

1794
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 3: me about the hospitals. The title Life of Flu and

1795
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 3: Winter Virus is heading.

1796
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: It's really been something that comes every year. They warn

1798
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 22: about winter viruses, winter flu's being really bad and a

1799
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 22: shortage of beds. But I fear this year that that

1800
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Speaker 22: disaster scenario could really happen, that we reach capacity of beds.

1801
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,640
Speaker 22: And that's because in the last week alone, Ryan, the

1802
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 22: number of beds occupied by flu patients has gone up

1803
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:52,799
Speaker 22: seventy percent seven zero percent, so one nine hundred hospital

1804
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 22: beds currently occupied by flu patients. Of course, many of

1805
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 22: them elderly who suffer much more dangerous symptoms from the

1806
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:00,839
Speaker 22: flu viruses.

1807
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Speaker 3: Doing the rounds.

1808
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 22: There are lots of coughs, colds and bugs doing the

1809
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 22: rounds this winter, and of course hospitals already under tremendous

1810
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,759
Speaker 22: pressure here anyway, so I'm afraid. Yeah, we're the bosses

1811
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 22: of some hospitals in England describing this as a tidal

1812
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 22: wave of flu and they are urging people to get

1813
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:24,520
Speaker 22: vaccinated against the bugs of flu and of course coronavirus

1814
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 22: which is still around. But I think it's going to

1815
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,879
Speaker 22: be a very very tough period for hospitals, with figures

1816
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 22: back from last month, the most recent month figures available

1817
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 22: showing a quarter of patients waiting longer than four hours

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01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 22: in accident and emergency.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's never good. Hey, the summer riots, we all

1820
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Speaker 3: remember the guy who tried to sit vire to that

1821
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 3: asylum seeker's hostel or hotel. He's now being jailed. What's

1822
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 3: happened here?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, it is the longest sentence handed to anyone taking

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Speaker 22: part in those riots than before. So this is a

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Speaker 22: thirty one year old man from Barnsley in the north

1826
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Speaker 22: of England who had initially denied violent disorder and arsen

1827
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Speaker 22: with intent to endanger life, but he later pleaded guilty

1828
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Speaker 22: to the charges and has been sentenced to nine years.

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Speaker 22: Levi Fishlocks his name. He smashed windows and stoked a

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Speaker 22: flaming bin, so it basically a bin was on fire

1831
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Speaker 22: and he ran out At the Holiday in Express in Rotherham,

1832
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Speaker 22: there was a night of disorder on the fourth of August.

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Speaker 22: The hotel had been used to house asylum seekers in

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Speaker 22: a controversial policy of the previous government. In this government

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Speaker 22: they've simply run out of spaces to keep people waiting

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Speaker 22: for asylum. And he was basically released from the same

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Speaker 22: area as that of a four hundred strong crowd who

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01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 22: attempted to set far to this hotel in South Yorkshire.

1839
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Speaker 22: There was large scale disorder that day. Sixty police officers

1840
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 22: were injured as riot as many armed weapons circled the

1841
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Speaker 22: hotel and there was indisputable CCTV of this man, Levi Fishlock,

1842
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 22: going about and breaking the law in that way. This

1843
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 22: was a very strong sentence and the judge said, this

1844
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 22: is a really a sort of a way of showing

1845
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 22: people that they are taking these riots very seriously and

1846
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 22: to put people off taking part in others.

1847
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Speaker 3: Goodness, may tell me about all the goths from Buckingham

1848
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 3: Palace this Christmas, there's been a bit of scandal.

1849
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Speaker 22: Indeed, Ryan, well, I know, you know, I know. We

1850
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 22: all like a good Christmas party, don't we. Thankfully it

1851
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 22: doesn't often end in arrests, but according to reports, up

1852
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 22: to fifty members of Buckingham Palace staff were at a

1853
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 22: bar near Buckingham Palace.

1854
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Speaker 2: Called All Bar One.

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Speaker 22: They were having a good Christmas party when all of

1856
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 22: a sudden, it was said that problems erupted and a

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01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 22: twenty four year old woman was arrested on suspicion of

1858
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Speaker 22: common assault, criminal damage and being drunkenly. And yes, we

1859
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 22: believe the twenty four year old was a member of

1860
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Speaker 22: staff from Buckingham Palace. It's thought perhaps a maid or something.

1861
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,640
Speaker 22: There were reports that a customer had smashed glasses and

1862
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 22: attempted to assault a member of staff. Now Buckham Palace

1863
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 22: says it's going to take appropriate action. We don't know

1864
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 22: what that means, saying the facts will be fully investigated.

1865
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 22: The woman was reportedly given a penalty notice for disorder

1866
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 22: by the police, having been taken into custody and held

1867
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,599
Speaker 22: until the following day. It happened on Tuesday. It's only

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01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 22: just been revealed however, and the spokesperson their confirming staff

1869
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:36,679
Speaker 22: had been at a reception at the palace that evening,

1870
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Speaker 22: but stressed that the incident had occurred at an unofficial

1871
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 22: gathering elsewhere, so not on the royal premises, but nearby.

1872
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 22: And it looks like a member of royal staff. So

1873
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 22: embarrassing and dare I say, lots of questions being asked

1874
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 22: about the policies of what happened that night and staff parties.

1875
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you'd almost well, if you worked there, you'd want

1876
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 3: to have your party at Buckinghams, wouldn't you. I suppose

1877
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 3: they were you know, yeah, keep it in health. But

1878
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 3: who'd serve all the drinks?

1879
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,759
Speaker 22: That's the question, because they'll be at the party.

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01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 3: Well that's a good point. Well, if they were serving

1881
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 3: their own drinks, then there would be no waiters injured.

1882
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 3: I suppose would be the upside. Thank you, Thank you

1883
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Speaker 3: very much for that. Gavin Gavin Gray, a UK correspondent

1884
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Speaker 3: with a bit of goths from Buckingham Palace. It is

1885
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 3: eight away from seven here on news talks.

1886
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Speaker 1: Heb getting ready for a new administration in the US.

1887
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 1: What will be the impact? It's the Business Hour with

1888
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 1: hither duplicy Allen and my HR the HR solution for

1889
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 1: busy SMEs News Talks B.

1890
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 3: It is six away from seven News Talks hed B.

1891
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 3: Things I've learned from the show that this evening, don't

1892
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 3: hold your breath if you're looking for an increase in

1893
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 3: the minimum wage from Brook van Veld, well, not a

1894
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 3: big one anyway. She tempered her comments on the show

1895
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 3: this evening, saying that she needs to as much as

1896
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:56,600
Speaker 3: she needs to think about those who are on the

1897
01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 3: minimum wage, she needs to think quite hard about the

1898
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 3: business signers who have been doing it tough of late,

1899
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 3: her words. And the announcement's coming just before you know,

1900
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 3: end of the week, just before Christmas buried. No one's

1901
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 3: listening to the news, watching the news, so probably it's

1902
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 3: going to be a bad one. Also, we've learnt about

1903
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 3: Tim Salvey now from Paul Allison and Nicki Starrs who

1904
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 3: were on our sports huddle tonight. They both think and

1905
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 3: therefore I'm now thinking that he will play tomorrow a

1906
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 3: nice little farewell for him. And what are we going

1907
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:29,679
Speaker 3: out with tonight?

1908
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 20: Glad you came by the wanted to play us out tonight. Sadly,

1909
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 20: I try and do a fun one on Fridays, but

1910
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 20: unfortunately the news doesn't always play ball. Max George, who

1911
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 20: is part of The Wanted, is in a hospital with

1912
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 20: some heart issoes he said he's actually putting a pretty

1913
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 20: positive spin on. He says he was very lucky but

1914
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 20: he went to hospital in the UK with some problems

1915
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 20: and they looked at it and he's got some major

1916
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 20: hard issues. So he's going to be spending Christmas in

1917
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 20: hospital getting those dealt with and dealt with surgeries. But

1918
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 20: he says he's actually just stoked that they managed to

1919
01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 20: catch it early and hopefully he's going to have the

1920
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 20: best arts of recovery, so that's very good. The Wanted, Bryan,

1921
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 20: in case you're you're I can see Wheels team behind it.

1922
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 20: They're a boy band from a few years now.

1923
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 3: I know who the Wanes are actually think. I'm actually

1924
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 3: thinking this guy must be young and he's got heart problems,

1925
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 20: Because they did go in twenty ninet. He's thirty six,

1927
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Speaker 20: so yeah for bit.

1928
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Speaker 3: Young quite young.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, I hope it's all right. Thanks very much

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Speaker 3: for the ants, Thank you everybody for listening and for

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Speaker 3: all of your feedback. Have a fantastic weekend. I'll see

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Speaker 12: Make make you glad you came. I'm glad you came.

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Speaker 12: I'm glad you came.

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Speaker 2: The sun goes down, the stars come.

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Speaker 12: Out, and all that comes is here, and now my

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Speaker 12: univers will never be the same.

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Speaker 6: I'm glad you came. I'm glad you came.

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