1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Twenty two minutes away from it, speaking which history of 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: being made tomorrow afternoon? Of course, in the stage Joe 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Biden v. Donald Trump, they face off for the first 4 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: time ahead of November, first time this time, of course. 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Former chief of staff for Marco Rubio, Matt Terrell is 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: back with It's Matt, very good morning to you. 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 2: Very great to be with you. Thanks for having me. 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Not at all. I'm excited. Are you excited? 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: It's exciting times. You know, we got this debate coming 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: up tomorrow and the election is just a few months away. Now. 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: As far as the debate is concerned, does it make 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: or break? Can it make or break or not? 13 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: You know, I think if these candidates both have strong 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: performances or relatively solid performances Tomorrow night kind of meet 15 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: or exceed expectations, probably not going to change the race 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: too much. But if one of these candidates has a 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: bad night Tomorrow night does not meet expectations, the fact 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: is likely change that You're going, you know, the course 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: of the race. So well, it comes down to both 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: candidates had to perform well. If they do, probably not 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: going to change the race too much. But Candy has 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: a bad night Tomorrow night, put me for President Biden. 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: That could change the course of the campaign. 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: That's basically the crutch of it, doesn't it. Everyone's going 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: to say, Canon ninety one year old handle the preshia 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: and look like he can last the distance still in 27 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: my aving. But that's what it boils down to, isn't it. 28 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: He certainly has to show up present. Biden certainly has 29 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: to show up tomorrow night with energy really kind of 30 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: alleviate some of those questions are out there, both among 31 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: voters and even members of his own party as it 32 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: comes his ability to perform in the job as president. 33 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: And that means he's going to come with energy, with 34 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: that stamina more or less, you know, the same energy 35 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 2: and stamina he brought to that State of the Union 36 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: address just a few months ago. He's got to bring 37 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: that to tomorrow night's debate as well. 38 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 1: Having watched that, having watched that particular speech, I couldn't 39 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: believe it. Do you subscribe in any shape or form 40 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: to the Mountain Dew theory, the you know, enhance drugs theory, 41 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: the behind him in the cabin and pump them up 42 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: to read at all or not. 43 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: I'll leave those questions at the White House and President 44 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: Biden to answer. But look, you know it comes down 45 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: to at the end of the day, performances in America these debates. 46 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: But also you know, look, I think both candidates going 47 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 2: to have their strategies. For President Biden certainly got to 48 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: bring energy. For for President Trump, I think it's folks 49 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 2: and the policies demonstrating steadfast leadership and at least mission 50 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 2: inflation and immigration. Those two main issues. I think you'll 51 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: like to see Foreign President Trump really narrow in on 52 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: heading a thrust tomorrow night's debate. Those are two issues 53 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: that are really top of mind, particularly for those independent 54 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: undecided voters at Foreign President Trump and President Biden as 55 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: well need to win over. 56 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: And what about Biden on abortion? Are they praying that 57 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: to major. 58 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: Well, look, that's certainly an issue I think President Biden 59 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: particular will well, we'll bring up during the debate. I 60 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: think there's no question on that. But I think for 61 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 2: Foreign President Trump, you know, if you look at the 62 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: issues where he's doing well and outperforming President Biden is 63 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: on you know, the economy and immigration, and look, you 64 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: know the issue of abortion. That's going to energize the 65 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: political basis on both sides of politicalisle. At the end 66 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: of the day, this elections have come down to roughly 67 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: three states, just a handf of independent, undecided voters. What 68 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: do they care about? A lot of issues, but top 69 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: of mind for them are immigration, inflation, the economy. The 70 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: candidates who can win on those issues and the candidates 71 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: that win this race. 72 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: You think the rules are going to kill up Microsoft, niwardience, 73 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 1: couple of d brikes, etc. 74 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: It's a different format, and certainly for form President Trump, 75 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: you know he's used to having kind of that rally approach, 76 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: the big crowds. It is a different format for both 77 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: of those candidates. We'll see who that helps or hurts. 78 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, it is 79 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: going to come down to how do these candidates really 80 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: do they meet the expectations or exceed the expectations that 81 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: have been laid out for them. That's the folks that 82 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: be watching for throughout this debate. And I think finally 83 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: talking about the future, this election, like all elections, are 84 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: not going to be a referendum on the incumbent office 85 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: President Biden. About the future, the candidates can really demonstrate 86 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: and believe this country forward into the future. Parting on 87 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: the issue of inflation, immigration, that that's what there's independent 88 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: on the side of voters you've got to win over 89 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: in this race. That's what they're focused on. 90 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: I was reading a list of potential vps for Trump. 91 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: He Allegedlys might up his mind. He just hasn't told 92 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: anybody yet. Your man Rubio was on it. I don't know. 93 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to happen. But ney of list, 94 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: do you have a view on who it should beg 95 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: and doesn't matter? 96 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's really sounder. Rubo is a very talented individual. 97 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: There's a lot of talented individuals that four prosient Trump 98 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: is looking at for that VP selection. You know, look 99 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: VP selection, vice president selection. It matters. It's important so 100 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: that they can help with pupping up the base, reaching out 101 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: to some of those independent underside of voters, helping with 102 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: donations and fundraising, all the things that occur with that 103 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: with that position on the ticket on the campaign ultimately 104 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: need to be some of that former person Trump is 105 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: comfortable with, not just campaigning with, but eventually if he 106 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: does win this race, governing with. That's just going to matter. 107 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it's forour president Trump's decision. 108 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: But ultimately, you know, these these vice president roles don't 109 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: really make or break these elections. They can help, but 110 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: ultimately's the top of the ticket. Voters are voting either 111 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: for President Biden or four President Trump. Those two individuals 112 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: are about to win this race, not their running mates, 113 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: not their surrogates. It's I'm done at the end of 114 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: the day, and to race across the finish line with 115 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: the vakery. 116 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: You're good man, appreciate it as allwise. 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