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Speaker 2: Now in studio. It's a privilege to be joined by

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Speaker 2: Rob Harmon. He is the president of the Auckland Rugby

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Speaker 2: Referees Association and is with us live.

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Speaker 3: Get a Rob men Tyler, how are you very good?

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Speaker 4: So you know you what level of referees are does

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Speaker 4: the Auckland Rugby Referees Association oversea?

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Speaker 5: So we take care of all rugby within our provincial unions.

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Speaker 5: So there are twenty six twenty seven provincial unions throughout

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Speaker 5: New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: So for Auckland in particular.

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Speaker 5: We're basically from Manekau in the south all up through

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Speaker 5: central Auckland and out towards sort of Henderson Way.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, But like I mean what levels.

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Speaker 5: We do everything from school boys right up to premiere

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Speaker 5: grades and we and then from the pathway from there

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Speaker 5: go into a regional basis in our referees will referee

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Speaker 5: anywhere from sort of the top I guess the top

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Speaker 5: third of the North Island.

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Speaker 4: So basically all officiating comes through you guys to a

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Speaker 4: certain extent. Correct, that's in rugby union and so if

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Speaker 4: you if you're a if you're a you know, a

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Speaker 4: person that loves rugby and and and you're thinking, well,

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Speaker 4: I want to get into being a referee, how do

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Speaker 4: you go about that?

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Speaker 3: Who do you who do you approach and how do

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Speaker 3: you follow that path?

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Speaker 5: It's it's largely up to the to the to the

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Speaker 5: person obviously, to to take the action. There's in all

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Speaker 5: the pus around New Zealand, there is either a referees

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Speaker 5: association or the rugby union. The local rugby union themselves

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Speaker 5: look after the referees, so it's often a case of

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Speaker 5: contacting them first, either via socials or give them a

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Speaker 5: call or an email. But it can be just as

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Speaker 5: easy to rock up on a Saturday and tap someone

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Speaker 5: and say how do I get on with it?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And so if you want to be a referee, you

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Speaker 4: know people talk about training, right, so there's a lot

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Speaker 4: to it. You know, you no, no, you need to

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Speaker 4: obviously know the rule book off by heart, right, but

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Speaker 4: you also know you have to know where to stand

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Speaker 4: at a certain point. You know you have to run

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Speaker 4: back for the conversion. There's a whole lot of refereeing

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Speaker 4: skills in there that you know, if you're just playing

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Speaker 4: the game, you don't you know, the referee alway seems

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Speaker 4: to be in the right place, but you don't know

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Speaker 4: that stuff. So is there a training program once you

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Speaker 4: get into the into the path.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I would struggle to think that

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Speaker 5: any referee knows the law book one hundred percent, to

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Speaker 5: be perfectly honest. We try our best, but no that

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Speaker 5: there are definitely training you know, training avenues available, of

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Speaker 5: course there are typically if you're a first year or

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Speaker 5: a novice referee, you get put in a group with

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Speaker 5: your peers. In Auckland, we have meetings every Monday night

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Speaker 5: six months of the year to try and up school

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Speaker 5: our new me and also the rest of the refereeing cohort.

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Speaker 5: If you're a first year referee, you can expect to

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Speaker 5: the piece, which is a is a nice easy way

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Speaker 6: It's just you know when you're ready, you're ready, and

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Speaker 6: hope you're ready sooner rather than later, and out you go.

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Speaker 3: Do you what level do you have to reach before

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Speaker 5: You have to be a So some French re unions

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Speaker 6: But to actually be.

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Speaker 5: Be paid to referee, you're pretty much an MPC referee, right.

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Speaker 4: So you know when someone is getting angry at the

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Speaker 4: you know, of their own volition, out of the goodness

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Speaker 4: so you're you're not you're not abusing someone that's getting

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Correct, In Auckland we actually pay a subscription, so we

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Speaker 5: similar to other places around around New Zealand. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: But you're very really in rugby union.

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Speaker 2: And what's the situation now, Rob when you look at

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Speaker 5: It's hard to say it's I think it's it's it's

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Speaker 5: it's regional. I think there's there's an undertone of that

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Speaker 5: sort of stuff has always been there. I'm fortunate I've

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Speaker 5: just ones that stick in the in the back of

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Speaker 5: my Referee Association, or New Zealand Rugby for that matter,

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Speaker 5: to to actually, you know, do something that's really tangible

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Speaker 5: that's going to stomp it out once and for all.

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Speaker 6: It's it's an impossibility.

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Speaker 5: Really, it's I think it's unfortunately, it's just something that

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Speaker 4: Get do you any you know, do you look into

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Speaker 4: Is that something that you guys discuss in your in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Look, we we do. We do a

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Speaker 5: if you lose control of games. You know, sometimes sometimes

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Speaker 5: that does happen, hopefully it doesn't so and and and

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Speaker 5: some of the top guys looking at your body language

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Speaker 6: And other things like that.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, it is available to us, definitely. Obviously

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Speaker 2: Right, there's a teachs tier from muzz it sees get

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Speaker 2: a rob. Is there a fitness test to be a ref.

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Speaker 5: There is, but there's but not at not at the

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Speaker 5: the basis of that was it was to standardize levels

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Speaker 5: fifteen schools referee or higher, you do need to do

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Speaker 3: Because how many you do? Like what you must do

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Speaker 6: Uh no, it's probably a bit less than that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I should have said more, should than I

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I think between you know, probably between six

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Speaker 6: Is that's up there.

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Speaker 4: But they're also shuttles, right you know, so you know,

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Speaker 4: there at pace, don't you.

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Speaker 5: One hundred percent if anyone wants, If anyone out there

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Speaker 5: So you can readily available on. All you need is

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Speaker 4: Well what struck me when I did this event with you?

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Speaker 4: When was there was that last Saturday? No Saturda just gone,

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Speaker 4: bridge between Yeah, yeah, it was a big night.

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Speaker 2: Must have been a big night.

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Speaker 6: We've only just stopped celebrating that night.

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Speaker 4: But what I did notice was it was a great community.

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Speaker 4: You know, you guys have all got a great sense

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Speaker 4: you all know each other, so that that's a big

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Speaker 4: part of it, isn't it. So you know, people that

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Speaker 5: Absolutely a massive amount of camaraderie and uh and you

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Speaker 5: need to celebrate the winds and celebrate the losses too,

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Speaker 5: our association is not indifferent to any rugby club or

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Speaker 6: We all know we get along with your oll and

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Yeah, is there a bit of extra

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Speaker 2: So with the young guys, particularly if they're moving up

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Speaker 3: Message to them.

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Speaker 2: Do you tell the younger guys maybe it's best to

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Speaker 6: No, there isn't.

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Speaker 5: I mean social media. And I was hearing what Ben

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Speaker 5: was saying before. And you know, Ben's an outstanding ambassador

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Speaker 5: general is one of the Wood's best referees at the moment.

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Speaker 5: You know, social media. I mean, if you just don't

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Speaker 5: But I struggle to think that anyone, particularly the younger guys,

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Speaker 5: as I said, I've I've been referring for a while now,

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Speaker 5: and I can definitely tell you that you know, when

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Speaker 5: have absolutely climbed and for better, for worse, and and yeah,

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Speaker 5: it can be pretty challenging to take in some respects. Absolutely, yeah,

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Speaker 4: And final question, I saw this video of a ref

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Speaker 4: and running lineouts and stuff, sort of sort of a

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Speaker 4: shadow referee Angus Gardner.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, and shame.

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Speaker 3: Was that a real thing?

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Speaker 5: That's one hundred percent real, right, and is that something

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Speaker 5: you do? Definitely not, but maybe that's why. Angus garden

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Speaker 5: is also one of the best referees in the world.

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Speaker 5: And I'm a club dirt tracker.

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Speaker 3: There is something pretty music about it. He's officially the

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Speaker 3: something with the four whistles and anything. It's it's good stuff.

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Speaker 3: But he is a great referee. So you know, as

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Speaker 3: you say, fantastic. Well, you know, good on you, Good

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Speaker 3: on your.

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Speaker 2: Mate, Rob, Thank you very much for coming and studio

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Speaker 2: make great to see you and will catch up again.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, thanks, YINSI look, I encourage anyone who wants

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Speaker 5: to take up referring talk to the local association and they.

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Speaker 6: Won't regret it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then what's one you saying, no riff, no game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get that on the bumper.

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Speaker 4: Still remember that there was something at the start of it.

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Speaker 4: Don't be lame, no refin something. We need another rhyme

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Speaker 4: in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll get back to that. We'll find that

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Speaker 2: text was a good eye Rob ketchig in sou mate.

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Speaker 2: That is Rob Harmon, president of the Auckland Referees Association.

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