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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I thought you were getting better actually, But

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Speaker 4: listening to that, that sounds worse.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like the sexual screams of a suckybust, didn't it.

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Speaker 2: It is the nineteenth of June twenty twenty four. Welcome

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Speaker 2: all ye bespokey dokies. Today we've got a magician coming

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Speaker 2: on the show, Constantino. So we've got no idea when

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Speaker 2: he's going to appear. He can you just gonna appear

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Speaker 2: in the studio? Can you pronounce his name right, please,

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Speaker 2: because we don't want you getting this wrong.

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Speaker 4: Constantino. It's Constantino, that's right, Constantina. I don't want to

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Speaker 4: hear you calling him Constantino. Constantino. It's got no tea

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Speaker 4: at the beginning there. He's written, produced, and start an

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Speaker 4: eighty highly successful primetime specials in Australia.

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Speaker 2: How many failed ones?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. We'll have to ask him which now

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Speaker 4: that's the first question we'll ask.

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Speaker 2: Is he Australian? Yep, so it can. Constantino commented on

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Speaker 2: his upcoming New Zealand tour. This is what he said.

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Speaker 2: It's a great honor to bring my brain new stage

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Speaker 2: reduction dysenium, the greatest hitch tor to a tiuroa. This

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Speaker 2: production is very dear to me as it represents everything

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Speaker 2: I have achieved, both professionally and personally over the last

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Speaker 2: ten years. I wonder what kind of personal magic he

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Speaker 2: brings to the situation.

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Speaker 4: Well, were we going to find out? So he's his

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Speaker 4: shows have been seen by over five hundred million people?

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Speaker 5: Shit?

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Speaker 4: Or is that just an illusion? Yeah? Those numbers? Has

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Speaker 4: he magicked up those numbers? You can do those numbers real.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. You can never trust a magician

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Speaker 2: because the profession is the tricky. So if a magician

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Speaker 2: tricks you, they say, wow, mate, that's what it says

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Speaker 2: on the box. So what it sees on my box

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Speaker 2: says on what whose box? That's what it said on

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Speaker 2: the box said, I'm here to fool you.

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Speaker 4: So your job in this interview that we're about to

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Speaker 4: do with Constantino is to ask him whether or not

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Speaker 4: at any stage he's ever magic his downstairs into a

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Speaker 4: woman's vagina. That's your job. You've got to shoehorn that question,

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Speaker 4: whether you're a magician or right. You've got to ask us, obviously,

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Speaker 4: don't you, Yeah, of course, of course, Well, so.

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Speaker 2: As you the question would be, have I go he

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Speaker 2: said to a woman? Yep, do you consent to me?

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Speaker 2: Magicking my downstairs to disappear from my body and float

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Speaker 2: across the room without the use of trekky curtains and lighting. Yep,

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Speaker 2: and then make love to you in a consensual fashion.

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Speaker 4: Whilst you're being sworn in half.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I feel like, guys, I've gotta be

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Speaker 5: honest with you. It seems a little bit like to

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Speaker 5: a whole lot about Constantino.

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Speaker 4: Well, sorry, ah, I forgot You're you used to be

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Speaker 4: an image your magician, didn't you, mash Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I took magic very seriously for a couple of months.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I was one of those kids, and I think it

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Speaker 5: was because my parents were very anti screens. I'm never

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Speaker 5: have just weirdly addictive spurts in my life, like I'd

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Speaker 5: just get really into something. I'll teach you ab how

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Speaker 5: about two weeks with magic once I did you put

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Speaker 5: some videos together? Where did I see you on YouTube?

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Speaker 5: On YouTube doing magic? No, it was because that that

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Speaker 5: decided to do like I would make like a how

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Speaker 5: that how you started, how the spark started. Yeah, we

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Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, I, I don't really

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Speaker 2: If you're fucking Johnny fucking David copperfiel Old.

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Speaker 4: No I didn't say, David Blaine, No, I didn't say.

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Speaker 4: I was fucking think.

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Speaker 2: You're better than the rest of us because you've pulled

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Speaker 2: a rabbit out of your ass. Well, I pulled a

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Speaker 2: rabbit out of my arm, and you can do you

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Speaker 2: can take the lead in this thing about it.

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Speaker 4: I think you should take Constantina. I think you should Constantino.

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Speaker 4: But also so just to be clear, you didn't start

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Speaker 4: doing magic because you wanted to magic your downcas operation

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Speaker 4: into a woman's vagina.

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Speaker 5: It just kind of content it just kind of turns

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Speaker 5: into that after after a while, as you go, man,

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Speaker 5: how far could I take this? But it didn't start

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Speaker 5: like that, Okay, I didn't. I gotta be honest, Jerry,

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Speaker 5: I was about nine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't a video.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't a huge focus of mine to magic my downstairs

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Speaker 5: into a woman's downstairs.

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Speaker 2: Did you used to wear like big, billowy white shirts

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Speaker 2: like David Copperfield does?

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Speaker 5: I didn't think I did you?

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Speaker 4: Did you had a billowy white shirt? You did? You

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Speaker 5: Did I have an assistant in that video?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 5: I should have. I really should have taken magic further.

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Speaker 5: It would have been a far better thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Well, what why don't you? I mean you still you're

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Speaker 4: What are you to.

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Speaker 5: One twenty four? What if me and the MIDI gets

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Speaker 5: stuck into it? Maybe it's something me and who could

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Speaker 2: She couldn't mind seeing Lauren and like like one of

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Speaker 2: those outfits that that that the assistant wears.

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Speaker 5: Yeah you're referring to the tight lines. Yeah, yeah, No,

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Speaker 5: I can see why you're saying that. Neither neither.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind you're doing that.

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Speaker 5: But the only problem is now that I've got a media,

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Speaker 5: I suppose that it defeats the purpose of magic, because

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Speaker 5: that's why everyone gets into magic.

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Speaker 2: It is for the check a woman into magic? A woman?

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Speaker 4: Mate?

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Speaker 5: Have you ever seen what a magic trick does to

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Speaker 2: What does it do to her?

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Speaker 5: Feature cloth? Mate?

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Speaker 4: Is all I'll say, Really, it's not. That's not a

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Speaker 4: magic trick, mash they got just basic biology.

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Speaker 2: I got into podcasting because I thought it would do.

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Speaker 5: That to a woman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Same, it doesn't do it.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't do it.

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Speaker 4: Moment not this podcast. This podcast is dry like bloody. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it is the opposite f the mob. Yeah, you get

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Speaker 4: the damping things just like this is like this is

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Speaker 4: like dipping yourself on sand.

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Speaker 2: You get the old bonus from people listening to it.

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Speaker 5: But this is like sawdust for sticking your cock and

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Speaker 5: sand or sawdust have you stick?

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Speaker 4: You know when people used to vomit? Does he remember this?

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Speaker 4: At school assemblies and stuff and someone would vomit all

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Speaker 4: over the floor and then someone would appear with a

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Speaker 4: with a bucket of sand, maybe sordust.

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Speaker 2: Maybe at your Lardi Dasko?

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Speaker 4: Does this hell it works? Does anyone ever know? Nobody

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Speaker 4: ever else turned up with some sordust Nazi youth camp

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Speaker 4: vomiting in side assembly. It only happened once or twice,

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Speaker 4: but I just remember the swordust would appear. I don't

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Speaker 4: even know where they got the sawdust from sawdust. Seemed

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Speaker 4: like there's a lot more sawdust when I was growing

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Speaker 4: up than what there is nowadays. I don't know. Here

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Speaker 2: I've got some can you put this through? Please?

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Speaker 5: Have you got me?

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Speaker 4: I've got some fun getty, I've got I suspect there'll

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Speaker 4: be a high voice. This is cute, all cup sticking.

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Speaker 4: So then I had another cup sticking phase. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: was just into this kind of weird stuff. Is that

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Speaker 4: coming through cupping?

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Speaker 5: Yep?

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Speaker 6: I go here.

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Speaker 5: I love for cupping.

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Speaker 4: Here's fanetti.

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Speaker 2: Stout your video before you fucking start mate?

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Speaker 5: Oh so am I if I pushed record?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Week four? I think four five four one.

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Speaker 5: Oh it's me. Oh this is making me call emotional enough.

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Speaker 7: I've been purchasing a week in not as much sweet

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Speaker 7: because I've been rather busy with Oh this is I'm

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Speaker 7: waking still, but I've been trying when I've had time

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Speaker 7: I've been showing my big scores now at eleven point

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Speaker 5: Spot which I'm happy? So this is classic mas, very cute.

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Speaker 5: I saw a video of a someone doing some like capsticking.

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Speaker 5: And then I think I did like weekly progress updates,

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Speaker 5: was this is the thing that I did as a kid.

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Speaker 5: You can see how I ended up here. I was

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Speaker 5: bringing tears to my eyes and I don't even know why.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit a big ground story for it sounds

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Speaker 4: Why is this bring tears to my eyes? It's so cute.

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Speaker 7: I get lots of themes and lots twelves, and I

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Speaker 4: It's you, but I small, younger vision. How old am

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Speaker 4: I do you?

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Speaker 5: Reckon?

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Speaker 3: There?

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Speaker 5: About nine?

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Speaker 4: You're good?

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Speaker 5: Whoa? I didn't take it light.

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Speaker 4: It seems like you're running a horse through the through

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Speaker 4: the crame.

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Speaker 2: No, he's cup stacking at pace.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look at me, you go?

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Speaker 2: That was thirteen point out three seconds.

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Speaker 5: Oh see that's not no, not my bestweat.

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Speaker 2: It's really funny because even on your little time and

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Speaker 2: you've got Finketty written on the top of your time

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Speaker 8: Speed sticking, which I just found these original cups that

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Speaker 8: Brung it out last night.

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Speaker 5: You can see how I got into this type of

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Speaker 2: But you're obviously such a nice kid. Yeah, are you're

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Speaker 2: So go to it's finn. Do you know nine nine

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Speaker 5: I don't know, But do you know when like you

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Speaker 2: It's quite weird far enough now that you're a full

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Speaker 5: It's not embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: It's embarrassing at all. It's really cool. You want, but

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Speaker 2: I want to know where I saw I came across

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Speaker 5: That one that you saw of me doing magic was

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Speaker 2: Get into that?

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Speaker 5: It was s one of them. We never forgured out

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Speaker 2: It's right, Yeah, someone I made if you will send

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Speaker 5: Someone I went to school with that syt that and

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Speaker 4: The great Constantino Constantina. Let's get that right. I mean,

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Speaker 4: What's what's ready to bringing is? No, that's this is

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Speaker 4: not Constantina. Hey should we go to a break and come.

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Speaker 2: Back with constant Constantine thingers?

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Speaker 4: We're at thirteen minutes?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, we're we happy with their first half.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm going to go on magic. Some content that's

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Speaker 5: Okay, you're gonna to take a ship a poo.

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Speaker 2: So if Constantino comes in here before I'm back, then

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Speaker 4: So you're going to do a pool in the middle

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Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like that will be a first.

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Speaker 4: But also I don't know if I can. I want

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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, I'm not going to do that. Actually, I

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Speaker 2: on this episode Glai and Gate three, He'll be in there,

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Speaker 2: I'll be as fast as I can. But if I

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Speaker 4: I've got so many questions for Constantino. I've got so

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that are going to be inappropriate. You go, I'll

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Speaker 5: a bit with Constantino Jerry's gonna ask him about that

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Speaker 4: The question and so many questions.

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Speaker 5: Okay with Cape Britain. God doesn't chew your box of

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Speaker 4: Welcome back. So Constantino's coming on the show. MAT's still

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Speaker 5: I don't think it is. But here he comes. Now

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Speaker 4: We're like this kind of organic things, you know.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 6: Of magic, did you you dabbled.

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Speaker 5: We spent the first half of this podcast talking about

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Speaker 6: The books you could trust. Yes, So we borrow a book.

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Speaker 6: My mother reads it to me because I can't read,

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Speaker 5: I'm so sorry. I feel like I'm really bringing down

447
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Speaker 5: the credibility.

448
00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:39,600
Speaker 6: On YouTube.

449
00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,480
Speaker 5: Yes I did. That's where I started. I was young

450
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:42,880
Speaker 5: enough feel like you have that resource.

451
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:43,720
Speaker 3: We didn't.

452
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,520
Speaker 6: I didn't have YouTube. So you have to learn a

453
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,680
Speaker 6: magic trick from a book. You really got to understand

454
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,399
Speaker 6: what you read the description first, then the method, the secret,

455
00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,159
Speaker 6: and then you've got to break it down and says, oh,

456
00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,040
Speaker 6: take you and you know this now from YouTube. Take

457
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,840
Speaker 6: your left a little pinky and put it here. Put

458
00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,119
Speaker 6: your right index, which ones my writing. That's my writing.

459
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,880
Speaker 6: So analy the words. And through this process I learned

460
00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,200
Speaker 6: to eat. My mother was like Carla Lujah. And then

461
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,200
Speaker 6: I realized it gave me a skill that was unique

462
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,359
Speaker 6: and it allowed me to come out of my shell.

463
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,280
Speaker 6: I didn't have to talk to people. I could just

464
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,560
Speaker 6: perform a magic trick. So built up my confidence as

465
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,560
Speaker 6: a little boy. That's why lots of boys get into

466
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,160
Speaker 6: magic because it's about control and power. And the first

467
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,000
Speaker 6: tricks I learned were like, you know, making money a peer.

468
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 6: I had doves that I made doves appear, which is

469
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,080
Speaker 6: creating life, and so eating fire. There was all about

470
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,239
Speaker 6: controlling the elements. I didn't know that. Later on, when

471
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,399
Speaker 6: I wrote my autobiography, I had to analyze all of

472
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,399
Speaker 6: this and understand why I was doing it and what

473
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 6: the attraction was. But it was having control because as

474
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,880
Speaker 6: a kid, you know, you told went to wake up,

475
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 6: what to eat, to sleep, what to do, what to study.

476
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,919
Speaker 6: The magic allowed me me to have control, and now

477
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,160
Speaker 6: I could perform for an adult, and I was in control. Yes,

478
00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 6: And so as a kid where the wild is seemingly problematic,

479
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,640
Speaker 6: I hate control, okay, because.

480
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Speaker 4: Is that why there's not as many female magicians as

481
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,120
Speaker 4: male magicians?

482
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 6: Power hungry? It's okay, it's the truth. There's actually a

483
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 6: lot of female magicians now because their art forms opened

484
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,679
Speaker 6: up and it's become less about that. Even as an

485
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 6: adult now it's not about that anymore. It's about creating

486
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 6: a sense of astonishment and wonder at all these wonderful things.

487
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 6: But as a kid, it was completely about control. Okay,

488
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 6: at least having that control.

489
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Speaker 4: Can I go back to why you didn't read till twelve?

490
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 4: How did that happen? If your mother was if your

491
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 4: mom was a principal?

492
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Speaker 6: So I remember going to the optometrist and They're like,

493
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 6: you know, because I couldn't. They thought I couldn't see,

494
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 6: so they go read, you know, they read out the

495
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 6: letters and I couldn't read the letters. That to give

496
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 6: you glasses, I mean now any glasses, but I didn't

497
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 6: need them back then. I just couldn't read the letters.

498
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 6: So that was misdiagnosed. And then being dyslexic was misdiagnosed,

499
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 6: and and then there was something wrong with speech, and

500
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 6: then they thought was my hearing. So I went through.

501
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 6: So I went through all this process, and people were

502
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 6: trying to figure out what was happening, and but we

503
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 6: couldn't quite get to what There was nothing. And my

504
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 6: mother would say to people, I think my son's really intelligent,

505
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 6: and I just don't. He's just not connecting and we're

506
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 6: trying and he's not interested. So I was one of

507
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 6: those kids who would just because it was difficult to read,

508
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 6: I would I would refuse. It was a very challenging child.

509
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 6: And so my mother did her own little magic trick

510
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 6: and by me looking at because as I said, I

511
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 6: like comic books, by looking at that little poster, that

512
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 6: picture of Fei Dini, which by the way, look like

513
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 6: comic books, if you look at the old Vaudevillian magic posters,

514
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 6: which predate comic books, they look very much like comic books.

515
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 6: And that's what attracted me. So my mother realized that

516
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 6: and she she needed me to connect something which I

517
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 6: as a kid, I was refusing at the time. And

518
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,719
Speaker 6: he just fall through the cracks. And I remember just,

519
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 6: you know, being at lunchtime, having to sit in the

520
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 6: class do extra classes, and the teachers would be like,

521
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 6: you have to read this, and I'd be like, Nona,

522
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Speaker 6: I don't want to do that.

523
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 4: Man, was hard for you. It was very difficult, and

524
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 4: everyone else around you.

525
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 6: And my father's a structural engineer, my mom's a prince, Like,

526
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 6: what's with our kid?

527
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 5: Wow, well, Constantine, he's met by the way I met,

528
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 5: you've appeared.

529
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he made something else appear too.

530
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, well we heard about Yeah.

531
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 4: We're just talking about Constantino. Did you know Constantina learned

532
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 4: to read at twelve? Wow? Yeah, we were just talking

533
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 4: about We were just talking about that.

534
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 6: Through a magic book. We talked about learning magic.

535
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 4: Okay, and about magic being about power.

536
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 6: In the beginning, ye, about controlling the elements and as

537
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 6: a little kid, and because we're talking about being what

538
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 6: twelve years fourteen learning magic? That's where most so you

539
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 6: boys learned.

540
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: So I don't want to tread over material you've already

541
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 2: been on. But was it because that was the first

542
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: time you were excited by something that you that you

543
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 2: jumped onto reading Magic. That for a hugely unprofessional visit

544
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: to the bathroom.

545
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 6: So you guys, see, that's exactly what happened, right, Okay,

546
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 6: I refused as a kid to just you know, things

547
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 6: got difficult and I was like, no, I don't want

548
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 6: to do it, and it became challenge.

549
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: And that was how quickly did you learn to read

550
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 2: once you were excited about reading it straight away? They

551
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 2: actually say that about kids that you know, we force

552
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: them to read when they're not interested in it, and

553
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: then and then when they are, they can learn it

554
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: very very quickly.

555
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 6: And that's exactly what happened. Yeah, and it was it

556
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 6: literally took a little poster of hitting in this book

557
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 6: and straight away so that you go, you can see

558
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 6: that it's quite a common common thing.

559
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

560
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: Well, what will be interesting is that as a result

561
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 4: of you having quite a different way developing in terms

562
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 4: of your brain from five to twelve, I imagine that

563
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 4: will have quite an effect on how you are now

564
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 4: and will be very handy for how you think about

565
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 4: things now, because I imagine that your brain works in

566
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 4: quite a different way than other people's brains. I think so.

567
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 6: I think my manager would say that too you so

568
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 6: it probably thinks.

569
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 4: Well, we want that, though you don't want that.

570
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's quite right the way you've

571
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 6: analyzed that situation. I'm like, no, I'm pretty sure that's right.

572
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: How much of your life do you spend thinking about magic?

573
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: Like when you look around you go, well, this could

574
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 2: be something, that could be something, this could be something.

575
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 4: Non stop, NonStop.

576
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 6: No, it's still an obsession. Yeah, I love it that much.

577
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, So what keeps you going today, Constantino? Is that?

578
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 5: Is that? Is it the reaction that you get now

579
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 5: you know, or is it something the idea about just

580
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 5: providing entertainment it is something that you enjoy, or is

581
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 5: it the challenge of coming up with new things?

582
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: All of you.

583
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 6: Above check really going? Yeah, I know I will never

584
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 6: cleared it up because people know it's it's honestly, I

585
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 6: get such a thrill out of seeing people's faces. I

586
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 6: actually am very very blessed to do. As a kid,

587
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 6: I dreamt about having my own TV shows and performing magic,

588
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 6: and then I know how privileged I am to be

589
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 6: able to make a living off off off a hobby

590
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 6: which become a passion. That's pretty rare, Yeah, it is.

591
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 6: I mean, I know, we see actors and singers and

592
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 6: you guys probably interview a lot of people, but really

593
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 6: when you go outside into the broader world, it's a

594
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 6: pretty narrow and even magic is even more narrow. So

595
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 6: I realized how blessed I am. That's super ripper rare.

596
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I.

597
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 6: Get to live out my some degree, my fantasy.

598
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. Can I ask you a question because I imagine

599
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 4: when you get to your level of professionalism, your level

600
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 4: of where you are inside of the realm of illusionism.

601
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 4: Illusionism is that even a word and magic, you're obviously

602
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 4: not copying anything else. You're not reading about other things.

603
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: You have to create your own things. That's at another

604
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 4: level of things like that. That's I find that fascinating.

605
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 4: How much time do you spend and when do you

606
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: think about those things? You sit down and create those

607
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: things sitting at a desk. Do you do it when

608
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 4: you're wandering around? Does it come to you randomly random.

609
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 6: Okay, So I've got a year to write a new show,

610
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 6: and it's challenging. I mean, you can build off old impossibilities.

611
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 6: So for example, let's say you wanted to saw Somebody

612
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 6: in your helf. Okay, it's been done since nineteen twenty one.

613
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 6: On how do we how do you make it better?

614
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 6: How do you make it more baffling? How do you

615
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 6: bring out up to date? That's an example. So you

616
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 6: could take a classic and go, I'm going to make

617
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 6: it modern, up to date. Then you've got to think

618
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 6: about Then there's certain techniques in card root like piano,

619
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 6: there's certain techniques that you learn, and then there's a

620
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 6: whole other level of kind of showmanship and acting and presentation,

621
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 6: layer it on top. And so once you know all

622
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 6: these different things, you can start maybe pulling different ideas together,

623
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 6: different methods together to create something new. Nothing's really one

624
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 6: hundred percent new, nothing's new, really postmodern ism. Okay, I'm

625
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 6: really honest with you. It's interesting, really new. No, no,

626
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 6: but the but the presentation and the way your approach

627
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 6: to it is new. Your interpretation is new. The seven

628
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 6: fundamentals in magic, something appears, disappears, levitates sold through solid

629
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 6: to seven. That's it only work within those those these limitations.

630
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: And so when you've got a new one that you know,

631
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: or a new adaptation of what you're doing, then that

632
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: first time taking it to an audience must be it

633
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: must be hugely exciting to see whether it's going to

634
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: work as you hope the word.

635
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 6: It's like it's like a comedian doing a joke for

636
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 6: the first time and you're going, I'm doing in front

637
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 6: of a live audience is going to hit and how

638
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 6: hard will it hit? And so you did a trick

639
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 6: for the first time and you kind of go okay,

640
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 6: yeah that's good or it wasn't. And then we do

641
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 6: what comedians do. We tweak, We tweak, we tweak, we

642
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 6: change it. We move a word from the end to

643
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 6: the start. And when I mean move a word, like

644
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 6: literally the way you change the way you present your work,

645
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 6: which is why it's different when you got to do

646
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 6: Jumper around here a bit. But it's why when you've

647
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 6: got to different countries. We just were in Singapore doing

648
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 6: the show, things change a lot because of the way

649
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 6: they interpret the language as well. Right, So but yeah,

650
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 6: I'll be adjusting words. I'll be adjusting movements in the

651
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 6: presentation to try and get the most out of it,

652
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 6: and it honestly takes it takes three months to design

653
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 6: each illusion, and it takes over a year really to

654
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 6: get it who it's good enough, and you don't really

655
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 6: have that luxury when you're doing a new show. I'm

656
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 6: blessed in this show that we're touring is the best

657
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 6: of I've got the best bits of the material, so

658
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 6: it's really polished and refined. So in the back of

659
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 6: my mind it's daunting to come up with new tricks

660
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 6: and think.

661
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 5: Okay, now the next tour is going to be oh gosh.

662
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 6: All new and does any of it work? And I

663
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 6: could fall back on doing things that are no hit

664
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 6: but in a different variation, but I don't really want

665
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 6: to do that because I will grow. Yes, So now

666
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 6: I'm putting myself out there and I'm exposing myself to fail.

667
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 6: I should have got and be My next tool will

668
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 6: be a lot of stuff that I've never done before,

669
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 6: and I don't know if it's going to work. Wow,

670
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 6: it's daunting and exciting and exciting.

671
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Although I beat you know, deep

672
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: down somewhere, and your heart that it won't fail, because

673
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: that would be an interesting idea. Imagine if you had,

674
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 4: say you went and you toured something and then something failed,

675
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 4: something failed, something failed. In a show, you must not

676
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 4: you must know what's going to work deep down.

677
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 6: I know to an extent what I think the audience

678
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 6: will respond to, but I don't know. So I'm telling

679
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 6: a joke. So let's say a joke is a good

680
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 6: way to understand. So you know that the punchlines are

681
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 6: pretty funny. You think it's funny, right, okay, but the execution.

682
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: Might not be.

683
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, like, the the way you're going to tell to

684
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 6: get to the punchline might as you as you keep

685
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 6: doing the material, you'll probably make it funnier or adding

686
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 6: another little section that kind of builds to it. Even

687
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 6: though you know the punchlines are really funny, but it

688
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 6: can be funnier and tighter and neater. That's where the

689
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 6: problem is. And so to some degree, if the magic

690
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 6: trick is really streamlined, then it becomes more potent. So

691
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 6: at first it's a bit clumsy. I'm clunk clunky.

692
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got to.

693
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 6: Get through all that. It's really really hard. It's because

694
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 6: you know, you can be better because you're going out

695
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 6: the craft it is, that's the craft. But you're going

696
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 6: out there and you're like, oh, it's not my best yet.

697
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 6: You do feel a little bit of that.

698
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: But how often do your co performance let you down?

699
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 4: That's a good question, that's a great question.

700
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: You can be very passionate and you can be you know,

701
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: it can be your craft.

702
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 6: It's a very clever podcast.

703
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 4: How do you deal with how do you deal in

704
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: a modern and a modern employment environment? How do you

705
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: deal with poor performance people who are working with you?

706
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: Do you hanging out there?

707
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 4: Yeah? Do you give a do you give them a

708
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: review after the show? And so you know what you

709
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: need to pack up your game? It happens right, Well,

710
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 4: it can be let down.

711
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, we say, I say my team, and without trying

712
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 6: to oversell it is like an F one team. Every

713
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 6: I say in my show that you've got to think

714
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 6: that I've got to thank the entire casting career and

715
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 6: the audience should because every single one of them must

716
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 6: be in perfect time and perfect sync or the magic

717
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 6: doesn't happen. Yeah, and that can it can all just

718
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 6: go pair shape very very quickly. So it is like

719
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 6: an F one team where everyone's got to know exactly

720
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 6: what they're doing, and we train and we rehearse, and

721
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 6: we polish and we polish and we polish so that

722
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 6: it's perfect. Things go wrong, Yeah, it's life.

723
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if it's like a band, you'll have

724
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: like a drummer that goes out drinking all day and yeah,

725
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: up and off is off.

726
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it happens in terms of your go out

727
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 6: and drink a lot.

728
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 4: We've been talking a little bit recently actually in terms

729
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: of casting, and we've been talking about something for the mum,

730
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: something for the dads. And for the longest time with magic,

731
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 4: there was you had a male magician and then often

732
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 4: oftentimes handsome, good looking, and then you ran something for

733
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: the dads and there was someone, oftentimes a beautiful looking

734
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: woman that would be doing some kind of thing. How

735
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 4: do you go with that type of casting, Because we've

736
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: been talking about this, we've got to prove of a

737
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: problem on the show. But we've got a lot for that,

738
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 4: We've got a lot for the mums, but we've just

739
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: gotten nothing for the dads on the show. And we've

740
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 4: sometimes thought about bringing something in.

741
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: For the dads.

742
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: Well, maybe you bar for the dads well some dads,

743
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: but perhaps some dads, but probably not you know, the

744
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: majority of dads.

745
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 6: You know, we have a family show, and we walk

746
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 6: a very fine line. It would be a lot easier

747
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 6: to write a kid show. No no, no, sorry, let

748
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 6: me rephrase. I don't want to insult people. What I

749
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 6: mean is, I'm not saying it's easier. It would just

750
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 6: be easy to stick to one like to say, this

751
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 6: is a kid show. This is an adult show. So

752
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 6: that's what I mean. So I got to be clear.

753
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 6: I don't want to insult people, so we don't do that.

754
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 6: We have to do what you're talking about. I have

755
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 6: to say, okay, so this is going to be for

756
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 6: the mums, this is for the dads, this is for

757
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 6: the teenagers. That's really hard, but we walk a fine

758
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 6: line where the show it pushes it a little bit.

759
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 4: You know.

760
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 6: The escapes are pretty dangerous and they you see kids

761
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 6: covering their eyes, but that's okay. I think that's okay

762
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 6: for a kid to do that. I don't think that's

763
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 6: a problem. It's sexy in parts, which is great. You know,

764
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 6: I want to see something sexy, romantic, dramatic, funny. So

765
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 6: we have to weave all those together, and I always

766
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 6: try to explain it like a great film that it's got,

767
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 6: you know, the drama, it's got the action, then it

768
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 6: slows down and it's got the romance. So that's how

769
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 6: I try and write the show.

770
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 4: That's high level.

771
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 6: It's not easy.

772
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: That's coming to it from a very high level position.

773
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: I guess that's where you're successful.

774
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 5: Yes, I can ask you about things. So I first

775
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 5: saw your stuff when you did that. You did a

776
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 5: heard any anniverstary?

777
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, twenty twenty ten?

778
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 5: Oh was it then? So I saw that on social media.

779
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 5: I remember seeing that.

780
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 6: But I was in the Melbourne Aquarium. So Houdini came

781
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 6: to Australia in nineteen ten. Yes, Harry Hidini, the man

782
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 6: I read about who got Me into magic? And he

783
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 6: jumped off the Queen's Breach in Melbourne into the Era okay,

784
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 6: into our river. So one hundred years later to the

785
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 6: exact day, exact same time, blah, blah blah. I was

786
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 6: in the Melbourne Aquarium, five meters deep, sixty kilos of

787
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 6: concrete on my feet, under there for almost four minutes,

788
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 6: picking all locks, live TV, stupid, doing it all life

789
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 6: and yeah, escaped.

790
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 5: What intrigues me about that though? Is that picking locks

791
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 5: and this is something that you've done a lot of

792
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 5: if you did it on Australia's got talent is not

793
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 5: an illusion, is it? No? So talk me through that.

794
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: So what's your.

795
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 5: Interest in something like lockpicking? Because it's not when you

796
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 5: watch that, people like you know, three pleibs like us

797
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 5: don't don't look at that and go how does he

798
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 5: do it? We look at it that well, it's impressively

799
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 5: pecking lock So where's the line for you? Like, is

800
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 5: that something you're just as interested in as magic?

801
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: Is?

802
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 5: Like just something that it's hard to do well.

803
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 6: It's funny because when I first started doing the escapes,

804
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 6: I had a mentor who said to me, I used

805
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 6: to do a water take escape. Yeah, and I would

806
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 6: be in a glass tankle I would be in a

807
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 6: drum of water and I'd be behind that curtain like Cudini.

808
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 6: Because he mentored me and that's how you would do it.

809
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 6: And I said to him, I said, I was going

810
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 6: to give his real I've got a lot of book

811
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 6: and he didn't want to be named or checked in

812
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 6: the book. It's really funny. He's very introverted guy. Anyway,

813
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 6: So I was about to name check him, realized before

814
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 6: recording mister Smith anyway, I said, why am I doing

815
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 6: it behind the curtain. I'm spending all this time holding

816
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 6: my breath and the curtain would go up and then

817
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 6: you'd see like my hands and you'd see me picking

818
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 6: the lock of the curtain would dump. And why am

819
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 6: I doing this? If the audience thinks it's because what

820
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 6: would happen is the feedback would bebviously not holding his

821
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 6: breath because he's behind the curtain. I'm like, no, I'm

822
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 6: actually really holding my breath. So this kept plaguing on

823
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 6: my mind. And then when I did Austraya's Got Talent

824
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 6: back in twenty eleven, I did the water tak, I said, nah,

825
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 6: forget the drum, I'm going to do it in a

826
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 6: clear tank without a cloth, now without big noting that

827
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 6: was the first time, first time on a straying TV,

828
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 6: first time even international TV, that someone had really done

829
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 6: an underwater escape in full view. Now it's common practice,

830
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 6: but what is it like twelve years ago that wasn't

831
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 6: really common. But I thought, in my mind, if I'm

832
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 6: going to spend all this time really picking the locks

833
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 6: and holding my breath. I want to do it like

834
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 6: a demonstration, like someone walks on a typrope. Okay, so

835
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 6: my think and with my mentor we had massive arguments

836
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 6: about it, right, Okay. He was like, no, there should

837
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 6: be a mystery about it.

838
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: You should.

839
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 6: It should be kind of like did you pick the locks,

840
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 6: did you demterialize through the locks, did you whatever?

841
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: Whatever?

842
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 6: People think? He said that should be the mystery, and

843
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 6: I said, well, no, I actually think I should show

844
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 6: the skill. So that's I chose that path against his thinking,

845
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 6: and it's now become like a bit more common practice.

846
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 6: I just thought you present it like a circus stunt, right,

847
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 6: That's how It's lot of story to get there, buttory,

848
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 6: that's why. But I got fascinated body escapes because of Herdini.

849
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, and look they go.

850
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 6: This is where magic struggles a little bit. The escapes

851
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 6: are real. I'm really holding my breath, I'm really picking

852
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 6: the locks. They're real knives. I've really ruptured my ear drum,

853
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 6: I've really broken ribs, I've really done all that. I've

854
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 6: got real insurance.

855
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah right, YEA.

856
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 6: One thing I'd love to say to my insurance company

857
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 6: is because people do say, oh, the escapes aren't real,

858
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 6: the knives aren't real. You know what, the great coming,

859
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 6: tell them tell I'm so happy. I'm more than happy

860
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 6: for it to be fake. Truly, I'm so happy were

861
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 6: all the premiums. Honestly, that's how happy i'd be. Unfortunately

862
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 6: for me, it's.

863
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 4: Rare, Yeah, because the escap apes is a different thing.

864
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: That's and that's that's the audience feeling anxiety, isn't it.

865
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 6: And then relationship correct, Yeah, that's attention really and so

866
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 6: magic I was going to say, Walks this really interesting

867
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 6: line where you do an escape, you do a magic

868
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 6: trick and it's fake. It's it's it's it's it's it's

869
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 6: sleight of hand, it's it's, it is, it's optical, whatever

870
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 6: it might be. And then you do an escape and

871
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 6: you go, oh, but this is real, and the audience goes, well,

872
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 6: hang o, I don't know accusing it's I'm well aware

873
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 6: of that, but I have to kind of draw a

874
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 6: line in the sand, like you never see me do

875
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 6: an escape where it's like I don't know, I'm putting

876
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 6: a box and I'm pretending to escape, and then I

877
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 6: disappear and reappear like I'll do those effects, but I

878
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 6: won't do it as an escape. I won't blur those lines.

879
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 6: This is an escape. This is an illusion.

880
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: When when's the best place with escape and the show

881
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: and a.

882
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 6: I always do to escape at the very end, so

883
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 6: the audience has got time to know who I am

884
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 6: and care. Imagine you open the show and the audience

885
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 6: because I don't know who this guy is, don't care.

886
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 6: You could get stabbed by knife.

887
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: Oh wow, thank you so much for coming in.

888
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: We're getting there, so we have.

889
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: But we could talk.

890
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 4: We could talk for days.

891
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: So you're at the Isaac Royal in christ Church on

892
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: the twenty fourth. Two shows there, the Regent Theater in

893
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: my hometown of Dunedin, Saint James Theatre and Wellington on

894
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: the twenty ninth and thirtieth, Maddee and evening show on

895
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: the thirtieth. You're in New Plymouth on the fourth of December,

896
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: Bruce Mainson on the sixth and seventh, and here in Auckland.

897
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: So I go along. I'm very excited.

898
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 4: About and I think timing it quite well. I think

899
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 4: when people need a little bit of escapism, they need

900
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 4: a little bit of entertainment, and what a great time

901
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 4: to do it. Thank you, so thanks very much for

902
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 4: coming O, thank you for having me. Nice mate, appreciate it.

903
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 5: Thank you less okay, fellas, we're back.

904
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: Oh how nice was Constantina. I thank goodness you didn't

905
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 4: call him Constantina, although you didn't say his name, so

906
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 4: that was a good way to get out of it.

907
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: I did when I read through the wounders for his dates,

908
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: and look, can I just say what a great man

909
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: he was? And I like this new thing? Where were

910
00:38:59,719 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: doing it?

911
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 5: View?

912
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: Were pre interview, then we meet the person, they're fantastic,

913
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: and we do a post and I hope you guys

914
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: were professional while I was incapacitated.

915
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: Oh my god, there was so unprofessional of you. So

916
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 4: you weren't even there for the intro. There we were,

917
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: We did the heavy lifting, I you did the ie,

918
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: then you went off and talking shit. And while you

919
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 4: were off taking a ship, Constantino turned up. And then

920
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 4: it was a lovely guy, great guy, such a great guy.

921
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 4: Proof as often as the case that the really big

922
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 4: stars are all really really nice people as well, and

923
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 4: so professional.

924
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so professional obviously loves his craft. Now question for you, Jeremy,

925
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: and I didn't see it when I was here, and

926
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: so I'm just hoping Mashi, for your sake, who had

927
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: to be here sitting in the filth that is doing

928
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: an interview with Jeremy Wells. Yeah, you didn't ask the

929
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: question about the downstairs.

930
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: No, because I don't think.

931
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: I don't fun. I don't think Constantina was interested in

932
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 4: magic ing has been this into a woman's vagina.

933
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: I don't think he would have to. I don't think

934
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: I think they'd be I think people will be lining.

935
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 4: Up, Yes, I think they would be very a very

936
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: good looking man.

937
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, good looking man.

938
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: Beautiful looking man, very handsome, very handsome. Great.

939
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: Something for the mums, yes, a little There was a

940
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: little something for the mums, I think.

941
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 4: For the mums and something for the something for the dads,

942
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 4: as he pointed out, Yeah, yeah.

943
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 5: I think that's what he was trying to point out there,

944
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 5: is that he's almost a little bit more interested in

945
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 5: what the dad's were you.

946
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: Saying, Did I hear you say to Constantino, Did I

947
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: hear you say that the show's only got something for

948
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: the dads and nothing for the mums.

949
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 4: No, I said that there was something for the mums

950
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: and there was nothing for the deaths from Why something

951
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: for the mumps? I mean, I guess at a stretch,

952
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 4: you know, I mean I suppose we yep, sure, something

953
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 4: for the mup. Something for the mumps. Yeah, a little

954
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: something something for the mumps. Yeah.

955
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 5: Can I just say that I'm not stoked with this

956
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 5: format of where we get to the end of a show,

957
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 5: yeah we're tired, Yeah, and we think, oh, I've got

958
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 5: a podcast to do today. We find out we've got

959
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 5: a guest. We then go on for ten minutes slag

960
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 5: the guest of talk about these inappropriate questions we're going

961
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 5: to ask of them, and then they come into studio,

962
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 5: are the nicest people we've ever met, and then we

963
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 5: come out the stars. We love them, and we come

964
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 5: out the ass of them, and then we just we

965
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 5: just he're sexualizing them for the next we don't we

966
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 5: don't need to reflect on this.

967
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: I love to hear from people on the the Conclave,

968
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: the Matt and Jerry, you know discussion group on Facebook

969
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: whether they like this new format where we come in

970
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: and we complain about an interview before it starts, and

971
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: then we absolutely love it, and then afterwards we blow smoke.

972
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 4: Right, we come out the ass of the interview.

973
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: We we jump out of we come out of the

974
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: ass of the interview, then we blow smoke up the ass.

975
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, it's all well and good until one day.

976
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: It seems cowardly though, because you've got people like Jeremy Wales,

977
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: who talks a big game in the pre show, a

978
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: huge game about what the kind of things he's going

979
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: to say. He puts out DearS, he DearS people on

980
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: the show, or Massy to say something.

981
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 5: I'm sound quite angry thinking about this jury. If you're

982
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 5: going to say, if you're going to tease to the

983
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 5: people of this podcast that you're going to ask him Constantino, have.

984
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: You ever mentioned your vagina into a woman? I mean,

985
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: you're penis into a vagina.

986
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 5: Well, then you got to ask these questions because people

987
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 5: are hanging out for that.

988
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 4: We talked to Constantino about your bowel movements. It is

989
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 4: quite did it? Yeah?

990
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: What did he say?

991
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 4: Was he press disgusted?

992
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: Did you see? He says?

993
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 4: The first time I've ever been in an interview where

994
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: one of the hosts has done a ship. Okay, okay,

995
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 4: was off doing a ship while I'm starting the interview.

996
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: We don't know it was a ship.

997
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 5: Well I think it was a ship.

998
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 4: Clear about ten minutes by the way.

999
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was got on my phone, got on instag

1000
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: and I got fucking distracted.

1001
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 5: You got to stop doing that, man, I was researching

1002
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 5: for the interview.

1003
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 3: No, you were.

1004
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 5: I pulled some ship out of my ass and I

1005
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 5: fell on Wikipedia about something. I asked a questions. I

1006
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 5: asked a question and Constantino, what did he say? He said, well,

1007
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 5: this is a smart show. That was a he said,

1008
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 5: that was a that was he did.

1009
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: Okay, that was a smart question. And that's because I

1010
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: am a professional. I did the research in Gate three, while.

1011
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 4: You guys are not a professional. Guys, well, you're too sure.

1012
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: At the start of the interview, okay, that's the first

1013
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 4: time anyone's ever done that. He said that, it's the

1014
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 4: first time you ever.

1015
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: I'll go back and listen to the tapes. If he

1016
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: didn't say that, then then he was discussing lying and

1017
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: I was disgusted. Can I say, bloody shook my hand?

1018
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1019
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 5: Did you wash your hand? Did you wash your hands?

1020
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: You didn't do I was I'm a professional. I was

1021
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: on a huge harry to get back here. I had

1022
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: no time to wash.

1023
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: My hand yuck. He's got to he's got to go

1024
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: away now and perform a whole lot of shows. He's

1025
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 4: got your fecal matter on as.

1026
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: We well, we don't know if he shook my hand,

1027
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: but it could have been a sleight of hand. He

1028
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: could have he could have not sho shook my hand.

1029
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 2: And that's true.

1030
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 4: Do you see he was wearing the sleeves. He was

1031
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 4: wearing those magicians. He had a magician jacket with the sleeves.

1032
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 4: A wizard's sleeve. No, not quite a wizard slither, more

1033
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 4: just a sleep that had enough words that you could

1034
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 4: put a card up there. Did you notice that I

1035
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: tell you, I tell you sorry.

1036
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 5: I was going to say it's because surely every fucking

1037
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 5: wounder and the dog just say, all right, mate, show

1038
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 5: us a magic trick and then he's got to sit

1039
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 5: there with this. We didn't and we didn't do that.

1040
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 5: So he probably came in prepped up with it jacket.

1041
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 5: I thought that's not.

1042
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 4: Going to work on the road.

1043
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: Probably had a bloody he probably had a bloody. Yeah,

1044
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: pigeon up there as freckle. He probably had a pigeon

1045
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: up as freckle.

1046
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 5: He is known for those twos. We should have pulling

1047
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 5: animals out of his We should.

1048
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 4: Have patted him down, see what he had in it.

1049
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: And then why you've got a bloody pigeon in this pocket,

1050
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 4: You've got a wounder in this You.

1051
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: Know we should have fucking done. I wonder we should have.

1052
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: We should have dug a bloody trap door going into

1053
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: some water. Well, he walks in, falls through the trap door,

1054
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: We see a lemon in and we say, fucking mate,

1055
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: get out before you drought.

1056
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: And then he has to escape.

1057
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, what would he do? Then?

1058
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: Here the sky he'd escape.

1059
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't think anyone would convict you from doing

1060
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: that because you thought he was a musician.

1061
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: I got nervous when you just talked about that idea

1062
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 4: of being locked with locks the concrete underwater. I actually

1063
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: my heart started racing. I was like, I don't like

1064
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: watching that sort of stuff.

1065
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 5: It's quite good.

1066
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: I find it anxiety scary.

1067
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: I remember that now on Australia's Got Talent.

1068
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 5: One more initiative I'd like to introduce to this kind

1069
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 5: of post interview situation that we do here. I was

1070
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 5: thinking maybe we could also just give the PR team

1071
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 5: out of ten for the guest that comes in giving

1072
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 5: it a solid eight alf today.

1073
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, good work. Okay, they seem to do a good job.

1074
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 5: Is it just in terms of performance?

1075
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 4: Well, other people that came in they didn't even they

1076
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 4: didn't even come in the room, So I'm not sure

1077
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 4: what you were judging them.

1078
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: We had quite the entourage. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah,

1079
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: I was sevenly something for the dads out there. No,

1080
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 2: I hang on, No, I just wanted to say that

1081
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: I'd like to rate. You're saying there was something for

1082
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 2: the dads out there.

1083
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 5: No, I wasn't saying that you were saying. But anyway,

1084
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 5: that's a new initiative. So every year, every time we

1085
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 5: have an interview. Now, if we could just rate the

1086
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 5: PR team for just a moment afterwards as well, I

1087
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 5: feel like that's a good thing to.

1088
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 4: What if routers just organized it there were the stum

1089
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 4: up as, wouldn't have Well there's just a.

1090
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 5: Two, isn't it. This is about a two out of

1091
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 5: ten every week?

1092
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 8: All right?

1093
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: I want to get your feedback with you like you

1094
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: interview technique where we do a pre interview where we

1095
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Speaker 2: say a bunch of cowardly stuff in a a during

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Speaker 2: interview where we are very nice, and then a post interview,

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Speaker 2: we're very nice.

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Speaker 5: We realize how nice these people are. Yeah, all rkay okay,

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Speaker 5: then go on magic.

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Speaker 2: Then it's time for us to disappear.

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Speaker 5: Do you know when we got in he actually genuinely thought,

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Speaker 5: I think that we might have been doing some kind

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Speaker 5: of gag with you not being here. I think he

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Speaker 5: thought like there was some kind of magical gig about it.

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Speaker 5: Usually there's a third host, but he's not here.

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Speaker 2: And then I was going to jump out of out

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Speaker 2: of meshes us. Fuck were you that was my plane?

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Speaker 2: I felt like I might have felt that. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: was sitting in the bathroom trying to rustle that up.

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Speaker 2: Nothing happened anyway, Time for us to disappear.

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Speaker 1: Rain is a gone burger, but the showers and the

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Speaker 1: and a bit

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Speaker 3: Of frost while they're sort of come burgers.