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Speaker 1: Across the Tasman Steve Price, morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good day there.

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Speaker 1: Now, I can't remember who I was. This one of

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Speaker 1: the big looking around for at the banks or somebody's

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Speaker 1: not going to buy carbon credits anymore and they're going

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Speaker 1: to invest directly in green energy and they're going to

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Speaker 1: save the planet that way. How big a deal is

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Speaker 1: this whole green energy debate there?

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Speaker 2: That's huge. I think the next election, which has to

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Speaker 2: be held within a year, is going to be fought

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Speaker 2: over two things, cost of living in the climate wars

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Speaker 2: and then fretted Upton's reignited them. I know we're going

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Speaker 2: to speak in a moment about a poll where his

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Speaker 2: popularity continues to go up. He's pushing for nuclear Anthony Albanez,

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Speaker 2: he said, nuclears no good, too expensive, takes too long.

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Speaker 2: But we've now got a bunch of green energy developers.

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Speaker 2: This is the Clean Energy Investor Group, which says, listen,

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Speaker 2: you know you're making it too hard for us. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to get anywhere near and Australia wants to

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Speaker 2: get to by twenty thirty, eighty five percent of Australia's

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Speaker 2: energy is renewable, and they say, you're just making it too.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to get there. Two percent by twenty

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Speaker 2: thirty is impossible. It was a fairly tough reaction from

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Speaker 2: this group to the government. They said the government's renewable

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Speaker 2: energy targets would be challenging. Securing environmental approval is becoming

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Speaker 2: increasingly hard and they're just not happy. They say it's

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Speaker 2: particularly affecting wind backed projects where people in communities quite

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Speaker 2: right there, objecting to the fact that they're going to

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Speaker 2: wake up one morning and look out the window and

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Speaker 2: they won't see the sun come up because it'll be

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Speaker 2: hidden behind a whole bunch of wind turbines. There was

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Speaker 2: a major project ticked off on the Illawarra, which is

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Speaker 2: south of Sydney the other day, and so they're just saying,

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Speaker 2: unless you get on to local council, state governments and

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Speaker 2: help help us get these permits quickly, you're never going

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Speaker 2: to reach your target.

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Speaker 1: It's Telstrap dumping its carbon credit offset scheme, moving to

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Speaker 1: direct investment model, setting a more ambitious target for emissions

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Speaker 1: cuts by twenty.

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Speaker 2: Three They all do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So tobacco or run by gangs? Is it?

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Speaker 2: Do you have very high taxes on tobacco product huge. Well,

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Speaker 2: what's happened here is that the taxes are so high

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Speaker 2: the organized crime gangs, particularly outlaw motorcycle gangs, have realized

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Speaker 2: that they can make a huge amount of money out

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Speaker 2: of this, and so they're now according to Admittedly this

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Speaker 2: survey was done by Philip Morrissey American tobacco company, but

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Speaker 2: they say crime gangs are selling a third of smoke

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Speaker 2: products in Australia a third, so twenty eight point six

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Speaker 2: percent of total product consumed last year, up from twenty

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Speaker 2: three percent the year before. Industry figures say that the

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Speaker 2: growth has probably pushed that number more likely up to

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Speaker 2: thirty three percent now. The Philip morris paper states this

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Speaker 2: would have pumped four point eighty five million in excise

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Speaker 2: into the federal government. So the federal governmentor losing out

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Speaker 2: as well. But I thought it was really interesting. The

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Speaker 2: bog who runs IgA independent supermarket, Spred Harrison. He said,

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Speaker 2: it's not said the company's sales on tobacco products, we're

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Speaker 2: declining by more than twenty percent every year, and he

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Speaker 2: predicted there'd be no legal tobacco sector in Australia within

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Speaker 2: five years.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Speaking of illegal these pill testing, where's that app sue.

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Speaker 1: We the previous government, labor government here, they made it

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Speaker 1: legal to test for pills at festivals. So do you

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Speaker 1: do that state by state at your place?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. You know, I've got no regard for

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Speaker 2: Dan Andrews, he was dead against it. But the new premiere,

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Speaker 2: Ja Cindra Allen has been quoted in the past of saying, look,

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Speaker 2: you know we ought to do this. We are to

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Speaker 2: make it legal. So we think a trial is probably

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Speaker 2: going to be announced within, if not this week, within

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Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. The Royal Australian College a GPS,

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Speaker 2: they say, yep, we should be doing it. The association

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Speaker 2: estimates would cost two million dollars a year to run

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Speaker 2: the service. I'm not sure it's such a great idea

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Speaker 2: because maybe it's just my age, but I just figure

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Speaker 2: if you've got to tell people that you can legally

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Speaker 2: bring a pill to them and test it, you just

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Speaker 2: endorsing use of the bills.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. This poll, with Dutton now the preferred

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Speaker 1: prime minister, albeit by a very small margin, have we

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Speaker 1: got a sort of a roll on? Has he got

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Speaker 1: a sort of a trend going?

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Speaker 2: He does? I think you speak of a result. Polis

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Speaker 2: obviously the nine newspapers today, A newspoll last week with

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Speaker 2: she and I talked about wasn't all that different to

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Speaker 2: that he's been out every day. I mean he's campaigning

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Speaker 2: is if the election campaign has begun already. So worried

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Speaker 2: is the government that Anthony Albaneze he started doing Daily

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Speaker 2: Press company last week on two days. He did two

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Speaker 2: a day and so we're he've got a faux election

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Speaker 2: campaign running right now. Nuclear is one thing, and also

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Speaker 2: the public have woken up to the fact that the

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Speaker 2: green energy programs that the federal government is trying to

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Speaker 2: get towards are not going to work, and so they're

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Speaker 2: worried about the lights staying on through winter and the

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Speaker 2: heating staying on through winter. So he is on a

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Speaker 2: bit of a role. It's a big ask for him

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Speaker 2: to win an election. He's got a a lot of

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Speaker 2: seats he'd have to pick up and he's going to

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Speaker 2: knock over a lot of those tear independents. But he's

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Speaker 2: doing everything right at the moment. We'll see how long

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Speaker 2: it lasts.

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Speaker 1: Mate, We'll catch up. Winnsday appreciate it. See price out

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