1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: So we find out this morning that our SIS has 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: concluded the Bondi attack in Australia could happen here. They 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: call it low capability terror. It's the sort of incident 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: we need to be prepared for. Andrew Hampton is the 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Director General of the SIS and as with thes Andrew, 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: morning to you, Hi, Mike. Taking nothing away from your 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: undoubted expertise, this is hardly rocket science. Is that if 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: you're just looking for one nutter who's been a bit 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: radicalized and get his hands on a gun, there's your trouble, 10 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: isn't it. 11 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: Well? Us and police are aware of a small number 12 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: of people who we know have the intent and could 13 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: easily get the capability to undertake an attack here. Similarly, 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: we know that there's a lot of people, particularly young people, 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: engaging in violent extremist narratives online, and then your factor 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: in the deteriorating global situation, and all those factors mean 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: that we see another attack here as a realistic possibility. 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: It's likely to be an individual who's acting alone. Radicalized 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: online users read available capabilities like a knife or or 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: a car, maybe a gun if they can get hold 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: of it. I think one of the notable things is 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: there's no single ideology dominating. So yet we have white extremists, 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: we have people inspired by ISIS and al Qaeda. We 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 2: have people who see violence as a way to achieve 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: some political outcome. But we're also seen and this is 26 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: concerning young people who are just really shopping around between 27 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: different ideologies online and maybe the thing that's driving it 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: is just a fixation with violence. 29 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: Can you spot them a mile away? 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: And the democracy like ours, we're not all seen and 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: all known in us in place in my colleagues at GCSP, 32 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: we're doing the best we can to locate these people. 33 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: But the fact is it is likely that someone in 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: the public will spot the signs of radicalization before we do. 35 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: And so we've produced a pretty i think, practical set 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: of guidance. It's online and you can we circulated to 37 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: teachers and things around what are the signs of radicalization? 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: And you know, this is based on twenty years of 39 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: being in this business of investigations and much of it 40 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: is about people engaging with that violent content online, but 41 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: there's there's other other indicators as well, you know, people 42 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: who may be adopting, you know, sort of an odd 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: security approach. We're doing doing research into you know, particular capabilities, 44 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: that type of thing. So we really encourage people to 45 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: just spot those signs and let us or police know 46 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 2: if they see someone who seems to be on that pathway. 47 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: It's amazing, it's an amazing that you should read that, 48 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: you should see the text feed into the show every morning. 49 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, most people have got a brain, 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: but I can tell you what the world. In my 51 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: forty five years in this industry, the world has changed 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: in a dramatic way. 53 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're seeing increased polarization in society across the board. Obviously, 54 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 2: lots of and them narratives. People with a sense of 55 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: grievance and then look online for others who may share 56 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: that view, and the riskers grievance can move to see 57 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: violence as the answer pretty quickly. 58 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: All right, Andrew, nice to talk to you. Appreciate it. Andrewhampton, 59 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: who's the DG of the S on a S. 60 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 61 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 2: news talks. 62 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 63 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.