WEBVTT - "Who Had The Genius Idea Of No Warm Up Matches?!" 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.000 Live from the Export Beer Garden Studios. This is the 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:12.440 byc where today we'll be analyzing New Zealand's first performance 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:14.880 of the T twenty World Cup. Though to call of 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:18.360 the performance would be flattering, a shambles would be a 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:22.439 more accurate description. Whatever geniuses thought it would be a 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.120 good idea to send our troops to a World Cup 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:29.200 with zero preparation needs a thorough are slapping. It was 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:34.000 subpar in every aspect, from the woeful fielding to the stilted, 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:38.880 clueless batting. We were completely outplayed and now find ourselves 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.400 with only an outside chance of advancing to the next stage. 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:47.720 In need, we need reminding the result Afghanistan one fifty 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:54.360 nine for six New Zealand. My god, are you vomiting? 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:54.760 Am I? 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:56.760 Now? 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.960 I was getting a bit of vomb in the mouth there, fellow, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:07.200 Sorry about that A poultry A disgusting seventy five. But 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.199 let's sleep right into the correspondence and I'll kick us off. Fellows, 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:16.240 if you don't mind, This is from Farhad and Chittagong, Hi. Guys, 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:21.840 does conways ain't disoriented left hand reflect the state of 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.040 New Zealand's team in this World Cup? You keep calling 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.679 Afghanistan match. The Afghanistan match a banana skin, but the 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.920 outcome was more obvious than that. West Indies are beatable, 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.399 and yet black Caps can be out of the equation 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.240 even if they win the rest of their games. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.320 And I'll fly straight on from Farhad and Chittagong with Dean. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.000 Can I just say, Can I just say? It was 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.240 less of a bananaska and more like encountering a suburb 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.840 of fruit shops. You know, it was much much bigger 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.680 than a banana skin. I think Farhan's got something. He's 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.320 on the money here as you're way. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.440 I'm intrigued as well by the reference to a disoriented 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.720 left hand, but we can't get to This is from 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:05.640 Dean w. The no warm up scenario is just beyond belief. 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.840 We play a trackload of meaningless tea twenty eyes, but 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.720 we play none before an actual tournament. This was our 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.480 top three against the Afghans, who played three games in 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.440 a week before they played US. I might add Finellen 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.200 last played the competitive match on February twenty three, Devin 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.359 Conway last played a competitive match on February twenty three, 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.280 and Kan Williamson last played a competitive match on April seven, 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.480 Phillips hadn't played since February twenty five. Was it news 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.480 to Gary Stead that Afghanistan are a bona fide side 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:39.920 who would likely prosper in Guiennese conditions? Incredible mismanagement but 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:44.680 sadly commonplace under this coach or plenty to plenty to 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:45.359 get stuck. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.839 In sink your teeth into their fellas well. I mean, 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.239 you know, first and foremost, I think that Dean makes 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.359 a really good point. Afghanistan to no easy beats. They're 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.560 a good side, particularly when it comes to T twenties. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.839 But let's hoe into it. Until the lack of preparation 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:08.440 it showed pull forward in every single aspect of our game. 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.800 That fielding was woeful. 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:18.040 Yeah, it was absolutely diabolical. And I'm sure, as Dylan 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.040 will be telling us shortly, it's not an anomaly that 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.720 our footing was like that. It started to get pretty 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.839 messy about twelve months ago, something like that really has 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.079 fallen off a cliff. But yeah, look, I totally agree 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.560 like that. I had a look at thet what was 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.320 said around why we didn't play the woman so and 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.320 what Gary said was it's a westerns is a tough 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.640 place to start, it's hard to get people to Trinity, 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.160 Dad and Tobago. At the same time, the Australians went 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.840 through something similar and they just played with the nine 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:48.480 guys that they had there. They chucked a couple of 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.800 coaches in and they just made sure that their bad 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:54.760 has got a bat. And yeah, I think there's an element. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.680 Is it complacency or is it the fact that we 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.080 don't have as much control over the players frankly as 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.280 what we kind of need and what we're used to. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.240 I'm not sure what it is, but clearly there was 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.800 a decision made by somebody to rely purely on historical 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.280 experience in the Caribbean, and it clearly wasn't good enough, 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.480 particularly against the team as you say, Jas and as 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.960 Dean w said, was always going to be really bloody difficult. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.919 They've ripped teams in the last fifty over World Cup. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.920 Sure they've never beat in New Zealand before, but that's 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.280 no reason that they were never going to do something 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:29.640 like this and be capable of it. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:34.120 Dylan, can I liken it to this, It's like old 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:38.119 Hoody j packing up a cricket bat after not having 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.200 played a game for twenty years and We've seen this 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.320 a bit and we're you know, I'm playing for the 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:50.800 ACC not a bloody clue, not a clue, but serious mismanagement. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:52.200 You've got to say, really, don't you. 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:56.159 Yeah. Paul raised a very interesting little point there that 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.400 I wonder if Warren's expansion and that is the sense 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.400 that this was player driven decision that coming home from 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.760 the IPL, they wanted more home time as a posed 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:11.680 to more preparation time. Is that complacency or is that arrogance? 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.160 Is that thinking that you're pretty much going to use 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.640 Afghanistan as you warm up game. I would hate for 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:18.719 that to be the prevailing thought and the team, but 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.080 you know, maybe it was. Maybe. I mean, it's inconceivable 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.839 that you would go to an ODI World Cup on 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.760 this sort of preparation. It's inconceivable even that you would. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.080 I mean, you go into a test season. I guess 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:34.919 tests are a little bit different. It's pretty it's a 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.560 bit harder to get warm up games for those. But 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:39.960 you think about what you used to do on a 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.200 cricket tour. You'd play if you went to England, for example, 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.320 you'd play six county games. The warm up game seems 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.960 to have disappeared, and certainly it's less important than it 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.600 used to be. But this just exposed, I guess, the 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.160 fallacy of the idea that you can just plug in 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:56.640 and play. 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.880 Yeah, it was interesting too, and I think you touched 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:03.160 on us. But you know, Afghanistan in the lead, and 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.679 over the last couple of months they've been on tour 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.520 in Sri Lanka together. They played a full on series 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.640 against Ireland, a bunch of I think they played everything there, 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.200 you know, tests one day, is a bunch of teacher 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.280 meetings and they played those games in Harja. Then they 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.279 had a warm up game which I think got terminated 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.599 early against Oman. They played Scotland and then of course 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:25.360 they had a very very handy first game up against Uganda. 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.120 So you couldn't we couldn't have hit them at probably 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.800 a bit. We couldn't have come across a better prepared 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.600 Afghanistan team than the one that we played as well. 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.000 Yeah, I mean, you would hate to think, Dylan, as 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.039 you stated that that was the mentality of the New 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.880 Zealand side, which was we'll use Afghanistan as our warm 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.559 up game, you know, and that'll click us into gear. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.239 You would hope that wasn't the case, and it reeks 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.719 of arrogance if it was, and we got our pants 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.640 pulled down. Conway at wicket keeper, I don't like it. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:57.000 How do you guys feel about it? 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.520 Ah, dreadful And I can kind of understand the rationale. 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.440 It certainly helps the balance of your team if you've 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.880 got a top water player, that wicket keeps sure. And 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.440 I can understand the rationale of this T twenty was 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.800 being played on ipl wickets or even somewhere like Australia 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:15.280 where it's a good true wickets, the ball is not 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.000 going to beat the bat a lot of times. Somewhere 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.960 like the West Indies and in the States, which is 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:22.960 a little bit of an unknown, but where the ball 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.400 tends to have a little bit more balance, you know, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.320 there's a bit more balance between bat and ball. I 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.200 think a good wicket keeper is critical and Devin Conway 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:37.280 is the very definition of a stopper. Yes, he is 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.760 there to stop balls going to the boundary. He's there 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.920 for the odd ball that beats the bat to stop 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.280 it to go into the boundary for four buys. He's 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.320 not there to catch next because he really can't. He's 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.960 not there to get stumpings because he really can't, and 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:54.000 that kind of filtered through the team. I felt like 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.120 he made a couple of critical errors in the first 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.320 couple of overs. Some of them were partially understandable and 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:00.880 it would have requori I had a good keeper to 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.640 get to it inside the edge. One very unlucky not 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.160 to be bold when sat and to beat the bad 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.840 it clipped the leg stump. But it kind of you 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.400 can almost see the rest of the team lose their 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.920 confidence as a result. There's absolutely no excuse for him 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.280 dropping that basic return from Matt Henry for the runout 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.400 what should have been a run of the mill run out. Yes, 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.000 so they've got they've got thinking to do there, and 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.080 I'm not quite sure what their options are, but we 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:27.760 can talk about that later on, I'm sure. 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.280 And God forbid he break his hand again, you know, 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.240 he breaks his hand again, you know, put him put 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:33.600 him in the firing line. 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.680 That's a good point, coming back from a broken fingers, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.280 stick and wicket keeper. That sense. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:37.880 Yeah. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.200 Well, and you know I mentioned before about how we've 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.520 cited the fact that we've got Caribbean Premier League experience. Well, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.640 there's a guy that's been to the Caribbean Premier League 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.800 and played as a wicket keeper and his name's Tim Seifert. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.520 And if you use the same thinking, why isn't he there? 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.000 Like it's sort of this weird thing where it's like, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.400 we really want guys that are experienced, what like it 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.360 being a wicket keeper in the West Indies. When we 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.600 picked the one guy that we've had it's been a 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.480 wicket keeper in the West Indies, we don't pick him. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.760 Yeah, moving on from that, we left two hundred and 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:09.079 ninety t twenty wickets on the sideline. There shit ton 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:14.400 of experience and Ratchen Ravendra, who has been playing not 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.040 selected as well. What the bloody hell are we thinking, Dylan, 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.199 This is crazy? What is it with Ratch? And just 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.280 put the guy in the team for god? 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.640 Yeah, one of the few guys that's actually been playing 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.280 cricket and he I mean he didn't have a great 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:32.640 IPL but he finished the tournament quite strongly. Yeah, he's 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.280 been playing cricket. They didn't pick him. They didn't picked 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.000 him South, he didn't pick each Sodi. I think in 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:42.320 that fifteen man squad you can make arguments for any 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.880 of combination to make the eleven. But it was actually 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.720 a friend of mine who of a cricketing persuasion, who 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.520 probably feels the same way about Cantabrians as the Daily 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.840 Mail feels about Mega Markel. But he kind of pointed 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.080 out to me that, and I never thought about this 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:03.719 at the time, but Matt Henry, who's got a economy 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.920 rate slightly worse than Tim Saudi, he's got a strike 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.040 rate slightly worse than Tim Saudi, and an average slightly 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.080 worse than Tim Saudi, and a ship tone less wickets 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.480 in Tim Saudi, gets the not over Tim Soude. I 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.079 wasn't quite as offended by it because I think, if 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:24.400 you're going on current form, then yes, he's probably bowling 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.160 better than Tim at the mayment, and he was coming 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.440 off some ibl so I could kind of understand that. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:34.360 But there is this incredible scenario now where New Zealand 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.800 left the highest wookt taker in T twenty Internationals out 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.120 of their eleven and the fourth highest book could take 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.040 her in T twenty T twenty Internationals out of the eleven, 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:45.920 and Jimmy Neisham too. I think he could have make 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.160 a really strong case for him to get a run. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.320 But yeah, I'm not sure if the configuration of the 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.640 eleven was the biggest problem on the night. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.359 No pull forward your thoughts. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.439 Yeah, I could care with a lot of that, But yeah, 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:03.520 the Chapman over avenger, which I assume was sort of 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.280 the selection decision there, you do get the sense that, 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.199 I don't know, there's this kind of a well, Chapman's 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.280 done it for New Zealand and Pakistan. He got that 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.720 eighty ball forty two or whatever it was, you know, 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.160 in the sort of C team series where they overperformed, 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.959 and it felt like he was picked as a as 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.480 a kind of a nod to that. But yeah, I 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.280 mean it's just hard to get your head around why 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.160 a per Why a guy who has been red hot 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:33.800 at international level at scored runs against Australia, as you say, 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.080 is getting picked in IPL teams can't make that team. 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.560 It doesn't That did not make sense to me. Tim Soudy, Yes, 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.680 I think it's a bit of a fifty to fifty 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.720 with Noir Henry. But if you look at Tim Southie's 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.400 performances over the last couple of years, specifically in t twenties, 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.520 not that bad, you know, going it's around eight runs 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:57.319 and over averaging sort of around twenty nineteen twenty nineteen 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.920 point five strike great getting a wick at every fifth 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.240 steen or sixteen balls, better than his career stats, and 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.160 it felt like a weird decision to me not not to. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.440 Pick him any balls at the tough moments too. Doesn't 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.240 he bowls at the power play. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.880 At the death? Yeah. Well, one thing we can't make 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.200 an excuse for was the fielding. And one of you 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.640 guys mentioned earlier on that maybe the rots started to 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.840 happen at the end of last season. I mean, is 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.040 Chapman carrying a virus that he's brought into the side, 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:31.240 Because you know, New Zealand sides historically, Dylan have always 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.000 prided ourselves on our fielding. You know we're a good 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:38.880 fielding side. But the fielding in that match was beyond belief. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:45.080 I was pulling my luxurious hair out watching the drop catches, 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.760 the missed runouts. It was just as shambles. But once again, 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.040 is that a symptom of a lack of play? 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:55.000 Yeah? Possibly, but it wasn't. It was happening last summer. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.800 That three NOL series whitewash at the hands of Australia 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.880 in the t twenties was marked by just really wretched 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.000 New Zealand fielding and catching in particular. But it wasn't 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.120 just the catching. I mean the finale I went on 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.560 the boundary was bizarre. Didn't even hit his hands before 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.560 it hit his midriff. Ye had Darryl Mitchell fluffing one 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:19.240 on the boundary at least two overthrows that was completely unnecessary. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.200 I think Mark Chapman was involved in both of them. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.600 And there was one interesting one on a that they 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.240 showed on a wide shot over. It must have been 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.960 by spider cam and they throw the ball into Trent 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.000 Boltzy and he wasn't expecting it went past him. And 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.240 you see the guy on the boundary, who normally would 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.400 be up running up inside the ring to cut off 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.040 the chance of overthrows, suddenly realizes that's what he's meant 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.040 to do and he takes off so late, and it 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.200 just looked at shambles. It looked like a team that 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.920 hadn't played cricket, not just in the last few months, 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.040 but maybe he hadn't played cricket since the first COVID lockdown. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.560 It's interesting, Paul Forward, I had a thought while I 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.520 was watching that New Zealand fielding performance, and I thought, geez, 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.760 we need to get pulled forward in there after your 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:10.480 sensational four catches. Was it in an acc match just 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.360 plucking the ball out of the blue sky. There maybe 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.240 a bit of pull forward action with the fielding, but seriously, though, 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.280 no excuses for that, No excuses. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.720 I do love a bit of one hand catching. Yeah, well, 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:25.480 as you say, it wasn't just sort of like one 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.120 guy there was that. I remember the game. Wasn't there 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.640 when Mark Chapman just had this complote it was the 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.960 magnet for the ball and he dropped everything. Well, it 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.600 wasn't like that. It was like, as you say, a 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:39.560 range of players did something dumb during that during that 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.880 match against Afghanistan, and yeah, it just looked like rust, 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:44.960 you know, That's what it looked like. I saw the 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:46.920 West Indies this week said that they came into their 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.200 first game they felt like they were about sixty percent 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.040 and then by the time they had their second game 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.320 they were feeling like they were playing at about ninety percent. 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.360 And I couldn't help but think, yeah, it feels like 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.240 New Zealand came in at about six percent. Particularly from 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.800 a fielding point of point of view, I just that's 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.480 a really weird one for me because you know that's 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.760 now home and away a massive series against Australia where 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.600 the fielding shitouse and then we go to a World 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.120 Cup when the fielding drops like it's still shithouse. Like 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.080 it just doesn't make sense and it's absolutely agonizing to watch. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.840 But when you've got Simon Dulan commentary saying that you 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.160 know the New Zealanders are fielding with hands like feet, 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.080 that's that is a that's devastating, I would imagine for 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:25.640 the Kiwiks. 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.720 Absolutely, we're going to take our first break and then 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:35.440 we'll be back to dig even further. Fellers. Welcome back 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:41.320 to this b y C podcast. Phineas slog. Let's have 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.080 a little look at the batting here. What an awful shot, Dylan, 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.160 what a good nut. 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.520 It was a good nut. We'll give fuzzle hug for rookie. 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.640 A little bit of critic here. Yeah, but it turned 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.600 around the corner your corect It was an awful shot. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.480 It was Yeah. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:03.080 We we seem to have this perpetual question with Fan Allen, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:07.640 which is yal or nay? I feel like we're not convinced. 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.600 Yeah, I'm not convinced. His failure rate's too high. My 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.440 worry with him is that there's obviously some talent there. Yes, 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.120 he's got a game that's never going to be consistent. 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.240 So I think we've got to get this idea out 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.320 of our head that he's going to be a Caine 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:28.160 Williamson consistent performance run assimulator. He's there for his explosive 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.520 talent and when he gets in to win games. But 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.960 at the same time, you can't have a failure rate 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.840 that's that high. I did some stats the other day, 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.440 and I wish I had them in front of me now. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:46.120 But I think he faces six balls or fewer more 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.360 than one and every four times he bats. I think 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.400 he's only got beyond twenty runs in a third of 0:16:52.480 --> 0:17:00.640 his forty four T twenty I Internationals' that's not sustainable. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.080 I don't think. No, well, unless he is genuinely winning 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.560 new games and those other ones. But he's not. He's 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.679 really not. I don't And the worry for me is 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.840 that I don't see improvement. 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.879 Yeah, and and then, and here's the thing, Paul Forward, 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.840 is that you know you can be a dasher, you 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:25.000 can be an explosive player, but you're still you know, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.840 it should still be it within your means. You know, 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.520 when you get a good nut, to keep it out, 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.400 you know, to stay out there to actually learn those 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:39.480 skills too. I don't have to have an almighty tonuk 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.800 at every ball. I can actually give myself a bit 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.760 more time. And to Dylan's point, he doesn't seem to 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:51.240 have learned that lesson. It's like, you know, the outhouse 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.160 or bust or whatever. He just he just goes for everything. 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:01.159 I agree. I don't know whether it is, and I'm 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.960 guilty of making an excuse here, but I'm genuinely curious 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.520 I guess as to whether he has been told you 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:11.720 must go absolutely help a leather from ball one. Don't 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.680 take a cighter. We've got Kin and Devin there who 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.000 will sort of hang around and run that sort of 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.600 sheet anchor and go through the gears. Your job is 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.760 to absolutely blaze away from ball one. But what I 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.440 don't then understand is that when he gets out first 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:31.119 ball exactly like he did, taking no sighters, we're not 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.639 chasing like fifty thousand runs. He didn't need to be 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.159 doing that. It does look to me like that's just 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.520 writing instructions and then you go, okay, so that's fine, 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.000 that he's going to do that. So then what we 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.400 do is we then bring out our normal batting order. 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.080 So what we're saying is we're giving Finn Allen the license, 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.480 but it's not really part of our overall tactics to 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.600 go hammer and tongs from ball one no matter who's batting. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.840 And that's the bit that it just seems a bit 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.040 inconsistent to me, Dylan. You know, I think has a 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.760 bridge score is something like twenty five or sixteen. Finellen 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.880 and his medium scores fourteen. He's got nine thirties, four 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.280 fifties and two hundreds and forty four backs. So yeah, 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:13.040 as you say, the recipe doesn't work a hell of 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.520 a lot. Where it does, it's great, but yeah, it 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.560 feels like it's very low percentage stuff. 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:22.359 Yeah, do we have a lack of flexibility in our 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:23.040 batting order? 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.440 Well, yeah, I think Paul just absolutely hit the nail 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.840 on the head there where he says finale and fails 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.600 a lot when he does fail. What that gives you 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.119 is Conway and Williamson in the middle together, and that 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.960 is not frightening any bowling attack around the world. In 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.359 the power play, No, both fine players, but they should 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.680 not be betting together in a power play. I don't think, 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:47.560 and I really think New Zealanders just locked into this 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.520 very prosaic way of playing teacher any quickert and it's 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.760 been figured out. I'd actually include Darryl Mitchell in that 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.840 as well, who's a really good ball striker and scores 0:19:57.880 --> 0:19:59.879 at a good strike rate, but he is not a 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.359 from ball one no guy. He actually needs quite a 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.320 few sighters. So if you're going to have Finellen with 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.760 that license, and you're going to bank into your strategy 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.520 that he is going to fail sixty percent of the 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:17.320 time that he plays, surely the next guy in has 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.159 to be a guy that carries on. That has to 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.680 be a Phillips. Although even Phillips I think is a 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.720 little bit of a nudger early, but you need someone 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.600 to carry that momentum on. You can't have a strategy 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:30.679 that lasts for six balls and then you go, right, 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:32.399 we have to bin that strategy and go back to 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:33.280 train the. 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:34.600 Yeah yeah, knock it around. 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.320 Yeah yeah, Jase, that's exactly right, you know it is. 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.640 If you're going to say to Allen, go if you're 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:43.040 going to say, as a team, we're going to go 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.280 balls out for the for the power play the first 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.240 six overs. If Finn Allen gets out, the next guy 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.760 in is the next best striker after Finellen. So yeah, absolutely, 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.679 I think what you said is right. You know it 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:57.080 is it's it's it's Jimmy Nish. You know he'd be 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.720 your next man in or at the very least, whoever 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.359 you play up there is just going hellful leather because 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.280 that's your tactic. It's the Tim David maneuver. And we 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.239