Speaker 1: Live from the Export Beer Garden Studios. This is the
Speaker 1: byc where today we'll be analyzing New Zealand's first performance
Speaker 1: of the T twenty World Cup. Though to call of
Speaker 1: the performance would be flattering, a shambles would be a
Speaker 1: more accurate description. Whatever geniuses thought it would be a
Speaker 1: good idea to send our troops to a World Cup
Speaker 1: with zero preparation needs a thorough are slapping. It was
Speaker 1: subpar in every aspect, from the woeful fielding to the stilted,
Speaker 1: clueless batting. We were completely outplayed and now find ourselves
Speaker 1: with only an outside chance of advancing to the next stage.
Speaker 1: In need, we need reminding the result Afghanistan one fifty
Speaker 1: nine for six New Zealand. My god, are you vomiting?
Speaker 1: Am I?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I was getting a bit of vomb in the mouth there, fellow,
Speaker 1: Sorry about that A poultry A disgusting seventy five. But
Speaker 1: let's sleep right into the correspondence and I'll kick us off. Fellows,
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, This is from Farhad and Chittagong, Hi. Guys,
Speaker 1: does conways ain't disoriented left hand reflect the state of
Speaker 1: New Zealand's team in this World Cup? You keep calling
Speaker 1: Afghanistan match. The Afghanistan match a banana skin, but the
Speaker 1: outcome was more obvious than that. West Indies are beatable,
Speaker 1: and yet black Caps can be out of the equation
Speaker 1: even if they win the rest of their games.
Speaker 3: And I'll fly straight on from Farhad and Chittagong with Dean.
Speaker 2: Can I just say, Can I just say? It was
Speaker 2: less of a bananaska and more like encountering a suburb
Speaker 2: of fruit shops. You know, it was much much bigger
Speaker 2: than a banana skin. I think Farhan's got something. He's
Speaker 2: on the money here as you're way.
Speaker 3: I'm intrigued as well by the reference to a disoriented
Speaker 3: left hand, but we can't get to This is from
Speaker 3: Dean w. The no warm up scenario is just beyond belief.
Speaker 3: We play a trackload of meaningless tea twenty eyes, but
Speaker 3: we play none before an actual tournament. This was our
Speaker 3: top three against the Afghans, who played three games in
Speaker 3: a week before they played US. I might add Finellen
Speaker 3: last played the competitive match on February twenty three, Devin
Speaker 3: Conway last played a competitive match on February twenty three,
Speaker 3: and Kan Williamson last played a competitive match on April seven,
Speaker 3: Phillips hadn't played since February twenty five. Was it news
Speaker 3: to Gary Stead that Afghanistan are a bona fide side
Speaker 3: who would likely prosper in Guiennese conditions? Incredible mismanagement but
Speaker 3: sadly commonplace under this coach or plenty to plenty to
Speaker 3: get stuck.
Speaker 1: In sink your teeth into their fellas well. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, first and foremost, I think that Dean makes
Speaker 1: a really good point. Afghanistan to no easy beats. They're
Speaker 1: a good side, particularly when it comes to T twenties.
Speaker 1: But let's hoe into it. Until the lack of preparation
Speaker 1: it showed pull forward in every single aspect of our game.
Speaker 1: That fielding was woeful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was absolutely diabolical. And I'm sure, as Dylan
Speaker 2: will be telling us shortly, it's not an anomaly that
Speaker 2: our footing was like that. It started to get pretty
Speaker 2: messy about twelve months ago, something like that really has
Speaker 2: fallen off a cliff. But yeah, look, I totally agree
Speaker 2: like that. I had a look at thet what was
Speaker 2: said around why we didn't play the woman so and
Speaker 2: what Gary said was it's a westerns is a tough
Speaker 2: place to start, it's hard to get people to Trinity,
Speaker 2: Dad and Tobago. At the same time, the Australians went
Speaker 2: through something similar and they just played with the nine
Speaker 2: guys that they had there. They chucked a couple of
Speaker 2: coaches in and they just made sure that their bad
Speaker 2: has got a bat. And yeah, I think there's an element.
Speaker 2: Is it complacency or is it the fact that we
Speaker 2: don't have as much control over the players frankly as
Speaker 2: what we kind of need and what we're used to.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what it is, but clearly there was
Speaker 2: a decision made by somebody to rely purely on historical
Speaker 2: experience in the Caribbean, and it clearly wasn't good enough,
Speaker 2: particularly against the team as you say, Jas and as
Speaker 2: Dean w said, was always going to be really bloody difficult.
Speaker 2: They've ripped teams in the last fifty over World Cup.
Speaker 2: Sure they've never beat in New Zealand before, but that's
Speaker 2: no reason that they were never going to do something
Speaker 2: like this and be capable of it.
Speaker 1: Dylan, can I liken it to this, It's like old
Speaker 1: Hoody j packing up a cricket bat after not having
Speaker 1: played a game for twenty years and We've seen this
Speaker 1: a bit and we're you know, I'm playing for the
Speaker 1: ACC not a bloody clue, not a clue, but serious mismanagement.
Speaker 1: You've got to say, really, don't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Paul raised a very interesting little point there that
Speaker 3: I wonder if Warren's expansion and that is the sense
Speaker 3: that this was player driven decision that coming home from
Speaker 3: the IPL, they wanted more home time as a posed
Speaker 3: to more preparation time. Is that complacency or is that arrogance?
Speaker 3: Is that thinking that you're pretty much going to use
Speaker 3: Afghanistan as you warm up game. I would hate for
Speaker 3: that to be the prevailing thought and the team, but
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it was. Maybe. I mean, it's inconceivable
Speaker 3: that you would go to an ODI World Cup on
Speaker 3: this sort of preparation. It's inconceivable even that you would.
Speaker 3: I mean, you go into a test season. I guess
Speaker 3: tests are a little bit different. It's pretty it's a
Speaker 3: bit harder to get warm up games for those. But
Speaker 3: you think about what you used to do on a
Speaker 3: cricket tour. You'd play if you went to England, for example,
Speaker 3: you'd play six county games. The warm up game seems
Speaker 3: to have disappeared, and certainly it's less important than it
Speaker 3: used to be. But this just exposed, I guess, the
Speaker 3: fallacy of the idea that you can just plug in
Speaker 3: and play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting too, and I think you touched
Speaker 2: on us. But you know, Afghanistan in the lead, and
Speaker 2: over the last couple of months they've been on tour
Speaker 2: in Sri Lanka together. They played a full on series
Speaker 2: against Ireland, a bunch of I think they played everything there,
Speaker 2: you know, tests one day, is a bunch of teacher
Speaker 2: meetings and they played those games in Harja. Then they
Speaker 2: had a warm up game which I think got terminated
Speaker 2: early against Oman. They played Scotland and then of course
Speaker 2: they had a very very handy first game up against Uganda.
Speaker 2: So you couldn't we couldn't have hit them at probably
Speaker 2: a bit. We couldn't have come across a better prepared
Speaker 2: Afghanistan team than the one that we played as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you would hate to think, Dylan, as
Speaker 1: you stated that that was the mentality of the New
Speaker 1: Zealand side, which was we'll use Afghanistan as our warm
Speaker 1: up game, you know, and that'll click us into gear.
Speaker 1: You would hope that wasn't the case, and it reeks
Speaker 1: of arrogance if it was, and we got our pants
Speaker 1: pulled down. Conway at wicket keeper, I don't like it.
Speaker 1: How do you guys feel about it?
Speaker 3: Ah, dreadful And I can kind of understand the rationale.
Speaker 3: It certainly helps the balance of your team if you've
Speaker 3: got a top water player, that wicket keeps sure. And
Speaker 3: I can understand the rationale of this T twenty was
Speaker 3: being played on ipl wickets or even somewhere like Australia
Speaker 3: where it's a good true wickets, the ball is not
Speaker 3: going to beat the bat a lot of times. Somewhere
Speaker 3: like the West Indies and in the States, which is
Speaker 3: a little bit of an unknown, but where the ball
Speaker 3: tends to have a little bit more balance, you know,
Speaker 3: there's a bit more balance between bat and ball. I
Speaker 3: think a good wicket keeper is critical and Devin Conway
Speaker 3: is the very definition of a stopper. Yes, he is
Speaker 3: there to stop balls going to the boundary. He's there
Speaker 3: for the odd ball that beats the bat to stop
Speaker 3: it to go into the boundary for four buys. He's
Speaker 3: not there to catch next because he really can't. He's
Speaker 3: not there to get stumpings because he really can't, and
Speaker 3: that kind of filtered through the team. I felt like
Speaker 3: he made a couple of critical errors in the first
Speaker 3: couple of overs. Some of them were partially understandable and
Speaker 3: it would have requori I had a good keeper to
Speaker 3: get to it inside the edge. One very unlucky not
Speaker 3: to be bold when sat and to beat the bad
Speaker 3: it clipped the leg stump. But it kind of you
Speaker 3: can almost see the rest of the team lose their
Speaker 3: confidence as a result. There's absolutely no excuse for him
Speaker 3: dropping that basic return from Matt Henry for the runout
Speaker 3: what should have been a run of the mill run out. Yes,
Speaker 3: so they've got they've got thinking to do there, and
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure what their options are, but we
Speaker 3: can talk about that later on, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: And God forbid he break his hand again, you know,
Speaker 1: he breaks his hand again, you know, put him put
Speaker 1: him in the firing line.
Speaker 3: That's a good point, coming back from a broken fingers,
Speaker 3: stick and wicket keeper. That sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and you know I mentioned before about how we've
Speaker 2: cited the fact that we've got Caribbean Premier League experience. Well,
Speaker 2: there's a guy that's been to the Caribbean Premier League
Speaker 2: and played as a wicket keeper and his name's Tim Seifert.
Speaker 2: And if you use the same thinking, why isn't he there?
Speaker 2: Like it's sort of this weird thing where it's like,
Speaker 2: we really want guys that are experienced, what like it
Speaker 2: being a wicket keeper in the West Indies. When we
Speaker 2: picked the one guy that we've had it's been a
Speaker 2: wicket keeper in the West Indies, we don't pick him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, moving on from that, we left two hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety t twenty wickets on the sideline. There shit ton
Speaker 1: of experience and Ratchen Ravendra, who has been playing not
Speaker 1: selected as well. What the bloody hell are we thinking, Dylan,
Speaker 1: This is crazy? What is it with Ratch? And just
Speaker 1: put the guy in the team for god?
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the few guys that's actually been playing
Speaker 3: cricket and he I mean he didn't have a great
Speaker 3: IPL but he finished the tournament quite strongly. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: been playing cricket. They didn't pick him. They didn't picked
Speaker 3: him South, he didn't pick each Sodi. I think in
Speaker 3: that fifteen man squad you can make arguments for any
Speaker 3: of combination to make the eleven. But it was actually
Speaker 3: a friend of mine who of a cricketing persuasion, who
Speaker 3: probably feels the same way about Cantabrians as the Daily
Speaker 3: Mail feels about Mega Markel. But he kind of pointed
Speaker 3: out to me that, and I never thought about this
Speaker 3: at the time, but Matt Henry, who's got a economy
Speaker 3: rate slightly worse than Tim Saudi, he's got a strike
Speaker 3: rate slightly worse than Tim Saudi, and an average slightly
Speaker 3: worse than Tim Saudi, and a ship tone less wickets
Speaker 3: in Tim Saudi, gets the not over Tim Soude. I
Speaker 3: wasn't quite as offended by it because I think, if
Speaker 3: you're going on current form, then yes, he's probably bowling
Speaker 3: better than Tim at the mayment, and he was coming
Speaker 3: off some ibl so I could kind of understand that.
Speaker 3: But there is this incredible scenario now where New Zealand
Speaker 3: left the highest wookt taker in T twenty Internationals out
Speaker 3: of their eleven and the fourth highest book could take
Speaker 3: her in T twenty T twenty Internationals out of the eleven,
Speaker 3: and Jimmy Neisham too. I think he could have make
Speaker 3: a really strong case for him to get a run.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm not sure if the configuration of the
Speaker 3: eleven was the biggest problem on the night.
Speaker 1: No pull forward your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could care with a lot of that, But yeah,
Speaker 2: the Chapman over avenger, which I assume was sort of
Speaker 2: the selection decision there, you do get the sense that,
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's this kind of a well, Chapman's
Speaker 2: done it for New Zealand and Pakistan. He got that
Speaker 2: eighty ball forty two or whatever it was, you know,
Speaker 2: in the sort of C team series where they overperformed,
Speaker 2: and it felt like he was picked as a as
Speaker 2: a kind of a nod to that. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it's just hard to get your head around why
Speaker 2: a per Why a guy who has been red hot
Speaker 2: at international level at scored runs against Australia, as you say,
Speaker 2: is getting picked in IPL teams can't make that team.
Speaker 2: It doesn't That did not make sense to me. Tim Soudy, Yes,
Speaker 2: I think it's a bit of a fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: with Noir Henry. But if you look at Tim Southie's
Speaker 2: performances over the last couple of years, specifically in t twenties,
Speaker 2: not that bad, you know, going it's around eight runs
Speaker 2: and over averaging sort of around twenty nineteen twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: point five strike great getting a wick at every fifth
Speaker 2: steen or sixteen balls, better than his career stats, and
Speaker 2: it felt like a weird decision to me not not to.
Speaker 3: Pick him any balls at the tough moments too. Doesn't
Speaker 3: he bowls at the power play.
Speaker 1: At the death? Yeah. Well, one thing we can't make
Speaker 1: an excuse for was the fielding. And one of you
Speaker 1: guys mentioned earlier on that maybe the rots started to
Speaker 1: happen at the end of last season. I mean, is
Speaker 1: Chapman carrying a virus that he's brought into the side,
Speaker 1: Because you know, New Zealand sides historically, Dylan have always
Speaker 1: prided ourselves on our fielding. You know we're a good
Speaker 1: fielding side. But the fielding in that match was beyond belief.
Speaker 1: I was pulling my luxurious hair out watching the drop catches,
Speaker 1: the missed runouts. It was just as shambles. But once again,
Speaker 1: is that a symptom of a lack of play?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Possibly, but it wasn't. It was happening last summer.
Speaker 3: That three NOL series whitewash at the hands of Australia
Speaker 3: in the t twenties was marked by just really wretched
Speaker 3: New Zealand fielding and catching in particular. But it wasn't
Speaker 3: just the catching. I mean the finale I went on
Speaker 3: the boundary was bizarre. Didn't even hit his hands before
Speaker 3: it hit his midriff. Ye had Darryl Mitchell fluffing one
Speaker 3: on the boundary at least two overthrows that was completely unnecessary.
Speaker 3: I think Mark Chapman was involved in both of them.
Speaker 3: And there was one interesting one on a that they
Speaker 3: showed on a wide shot over. It must have been
Speaker 3: by spider cam and they throw the ball into Trent
Speaker 3: Boltzy and he wasn't expecting it went past him. And
Speaker 3: you see the guy on the boundary, who normally would
Speaker 3: be up running up inside the ring to cut off
Speaker 3: the chance of overthrows, suddenly realizes that's what he's meant
Speaker 3: to do and he takes off so late, and it
Speaker 3: just looked at shambles. It looked like a team that
Speaker 3: hadn't played cricket, not just in the last few months,
Speaker 3: but maybe he hadn't played cricket since the first COVID lockdown.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, Paul Forward, I had a thought while I
Speaker 1: was watching that New Zealand fielding performance, and I thought, geez,
Speaker 1: we need to get pulled forward in there after your
Speaker 1: sensational four catches. Was it in an acc match just
Speaker 1: plucking the ball out of the blue sky. There maybe
Speaker 1: a bit of pull forward action with the fielding, but seriously, though,
Speaker 1: no excuses for that, No excuses.
Speaker 2: I do love a bit of one hand catching. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: as you say, it wasn't just sort of like one
Speaker 2: guy there was that. I remember the game. Wasn't there
Speaker 2: when Mark Chapman just had this complote it was the
Speaker 2: magnet for the ball and he dropped everything. Well, it
Speaker 2: wasn't like that. It was like, as you say, a
Speaker 2: range of players did something dumb during that during that
Speaker 2: match against Afghanistan, and yeah, it just looked like rust,
Speaker 2: you know, That's what it looked like. I saw the
Speaker 2: West Indies this week said that they came into their
Speaker 2: first game they felt like they were about sixty percent
Speaker 2: and then by the time they had their second game
Speaker 2: they were feeling like they were playing at about ninety percent.
Speaker 2: And I couldn't help but think, yeah, it feels like
Speaker 2: New Zealand came in at about six percent. Particularly from
Speaker 2: a fielding point of point of view, I just that's
Speaker 2: a really weird one for me because you know that's
Speaker 2: now home and away a massive series against Australia where
Speaker 2: the fielding shitouse and then we go to a World
Speaker 2: Cup when the fielding drops like it's still shithouse. Like
Speaker 2: it just doesn't make sense and it's absolutely agonizing to watch.
Speaker 2: But when you've got Simon Dulan commentary saying that you
Speaker 2: know the New Zealanders are fielding with hands like feet,
Speaker 2: that's that is a that's devastating, I would imagine for
Speaker 2: the Kiwiks.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're going to take our first break and then
Speaker 1: we'll be back to dig even further. Fellers. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to this b y C podcast. Phineas slog. Let's have
Speaker 1: a little look at the batting here. What an awful shot, Dylan,
Speaker 1: what a good nut.
Speaker 3: It was a good nut. We'll give fuzzle hug for rookie.
Speaker 3: A little bit of critic here. Yeah, but it turned
Speaker 3: around the corner your corect It was an awful shot.
Speaker 3: It was Yeah.
Speaker 1: We we seem to have this perpetual question with Fan Allen,
Speaker 1: which is yal or nay? I feel like we're not convinced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not convinced. His failure rate's too high. My
Speaker 3: worry with him is that there's obviously some talent there. Yes,
Speaker 3: he's got a game that's never going to be consistent.
Speaker 3: So I think we've got to get this idea out
Speaker 3: of our head that he's going to be a Caine
Speaker 3: Williamson consistent performance run assimulator. He's there for his explosive
Speaker 3: talent and when he gets in to win games. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, you can't have a failure rate
Speaker 3: that's that high. I did some stats the other day,
Speaker 3: and I wish I had them in front of me now.
Speaker 3: But I think he faces six balls or fewer more
Speaker 3: than one and every four times he bats. I think
Speaker 3: he's only got beyond twenty runs in a third of
Speaker 3: his forty four T twenty I Internationals' that's not sustainable.
Speaker 3: I don't think. No, well, unless he is genuinely winning
Speaker 3: new games and those other ones. But he's not. He's
Speaker 3: really not. I don't And the worry for me is
Speaker 3: that I don't see improvement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and then, and here's the thing, Paul Forward,
Speaker 1: is that you know you can be a dasher, you
Speaker 1: can be an explosive player, but you're still you know,
Speaker 1: it should still be it within your means. You know,
Speaker 1: when you get a good nut, to keep it out,
Speaker 1: you know, to stay out there to actually learn those
Speaker 1: skills too. I don't have to have an almighty tonuk
Speaker 1: at every ball. I can actually give myself a bit
Speaker 1: more time. And to Dylan's point, he doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: have learned that lesson. It's like, you know, the outhouse
Speaker 1: or bust or whatever. He just he just goes for everything.
Speaker 2: I agree. I don't know whether it is, and I'm
Speaker 2: guilty of making an excuse here, but I'm genuinely curious
Speaker 2: I guess as to whether he has been told you
Speaker 2: must go absolutely help a leather from ball one. Don't
Speaker 2: take a cighter. We've got Kin and Devin there who
Speaker 2: will sort of hang around and run that sort of
Speaker 2: sheet anchor and go through the gears. Your job is
Speaker 2: to absolutely blaze away from ball one. But what I
Speaker 2: don't then understand is that when he gets out first
Speaker 2: ball exactly like he did, taking no sighters, we're not
Speaker 2: chasing like fifty thousand runs. He didn't need to be
Speaker 2: doing that. It does look to me like that's just
Speaker 2: writing instructions and then you go, okay, so that's fine,
Speaker 2: that he's going to do that. So then what we
Speaker 2: do is we then bring out our normal batting order.
Speaker 2: So what we're saying is we're giving Finn Allen the license,
Speaker 2: but it's not really part of our overall tactics to
Speaker 2: go hammer and tongs from ball one no matter who's batting.
Speaker 2: And that's the bit that it just seems a bit
Speaker 2: inconsistent to me, Dylan. You know, I think has a
Speaker 2: bridge score is something like twenty five or sixteen. Finellen
Speaker 2: and his medium scores fourteen. He's got nine thirties, four
Speaker 2: fifties and two hundreds and forty four backs. So yeah,
Speaker 2: as you say, the recipe doesn't work a hell of
Speaker 2: a lot. Where it does, it's great, but yeah, it
Speaker 2: feels like it's very low percentage stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do we have a lack of flexibility in our
Speaker 1: batting order?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think Paul just absolutely hit the nail
Speaker 3: on the head there where he says finale and fails
Speaker 3: a lot when he does fail. What that gives you
Speaker 3: is Conway and Williamson in the middle together, and that
Speaker 3: is not frightening any bowling attack around the world. In
Speaker 3: the power play, No, both fine players, but they should
Speaker 3: not be betting together in a power play. I don't think,
Speaker 3: and I really think New Zealanders just locked into this
Speaker 3: very prosaic way of playing teacher any quickert and it's
Speaker 3: been figured out. I'd actually include Darryl Mitchell in that
Speaker 3: as well, who's a really good ball striker and scores
Speaker 3: at a good strike rate, but he is not a
Speaker 3: from ball one no guy. He actually needs quite a
Speaker 3: few sighters. So if you're going to have Finellen with
Speaker 3: that license, and you're going to bank into your strategy
Speaker 3: that he is going to fail sixty percent of the
Speaker 3: time that he plays, surely the next guy in has
Speaker 3: to be a guy that carries on. That has to
Speaker 3: be a Phillips. Although even Phillips I think is a
Speaker 3: little bit of a nudger early, but you need someone
Speaker 3: to carry that momentum on. You can't have a strategy
Speaker 3: that lasts for six balls and then you go, right,
Speaker 3: we have to bin that strategy and go back to
Speaker 3: train the.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, knock it around.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Jase, that's exactly right, you know it is.
Speaker 2: If you're going to say to Allen, go if you're
Speaker 2: going to say, as a team, we're going to go
Speaker 2: balls out for the for the power play the first
Speaker 2: six overs. If Finn Allen gets out, the next guy
Speaker 2: in is the next best striker after Finellen. So yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: I think what you said is right. You know it
Speaker 2: is it's it's it's Jimmy Nish. You know he'd be
Speaker 2: your next man in or at the very least, whoever
Speaker 2: you play up there is just going hellful leather because
Speaker 2: that's your tactic. It's the Tim David maneuver. And we
Speaker 2: saw India overnight. You know that they brought an ax
Speaker 2: sharpatel when they lost an early wicket, and that's because
Speaker 2: they're saying, we don't really give a shit about the wickets.
Speaker 2: We're trying to get as many runs as we can
Speaker 2: in the first six overs. And that's fine. But if
Speaker 2: you're going to do it, commit Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you've actually that's a really good point, Dylan, you've
Speaker 1: actually made I never thought of that. You know that
Speaker 1: when he fails then we just fall back to that
Speaker 1: nudges and lack of explosive sort of batting. Afghanistan were
Speaker 1: excellent and are they underrated still.
Speaker 3: Think?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think they're a dynamic teacher each.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a good side I was.
Speaker 3: Looking at that team and thinking, hmm, you know a
Speaker 3: lot of those players would get in the New Zealand
Speaker 3: first eleven Bloody Oats.
Speaker 1: They would better than New Zealand maybe pull forward.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think what's happened is that their
Speaker 2: bowling's always been pretty good, particularly their spin bowling. Then
Speaker 2: they've got their pacete bowling sworded and they've never been
Speaker 2: terrible at paste bowling. But Afruki is obviously on a
Speaker 2: bit of a tear. What they have nailed and started
Speaker 2: to nail consistently, particularly against big teams, is the batting.
Speaker 2: Their batting has come up massively and Goerbaz that eighty
Speaker 2: or fifty six, Zadron got forty four or forty one.
Speaker 2: They're the first two guys to ever put together consecutive
Speaker 2: century partnerships in a T twenty World Cup. They are
Speaker 2: frightening and if you're going to drop catches and misrunouts
Speaker 2: against them, they are going to punish you. I think
Speaker 2: they put a hell of a lot of stock in
Speaker 2: those in those top two batters, But if you let
Speaker 2: them get away, you know you're they're gonna They're going
Speaker 2: to wreck absolute havoc and the threat of Rashid Khan
Speaker 2: is just horrible. I think for batting teams when you're
Speaker 2: facing you know that they've got Rashid Khan to come on.
Speaker 2: I mean Rushi Khann's record. He he has got one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty four wickets at an average of fourteen,
Speaker 2: a strike grade of fourteen, in an economy rate of
Speaker 2: six runs per over. He the Afghani Afridi is a freak.
Speaker 3: Can't point out too that they were missing their best
Speaker 3: new ball spinner in Mougi. He would have been very
Speaker 3: tricky on that se if it's not that they needed
Speaker 3: any more tricks when New Zealand collapsed for seventy five.
Speaker 3: The one thing he might have added to is he's
Speaker 3: a comical fielder, so that might have balanced the ledger.
Speaker 2: So that's sobering. The other thing I was just going
Speaker 2: to mention, just very quickly, was I'm sure I read
Speaker 2: it or heard an interview with Mitchell Center where he
Speaker 2: said that the pitch changed significantly in the second innings,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what, like, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: assume that we chose to bat second so that the Jew,
Speaker 2: when the Jew came in, we didn't have to face
Speaker 2: that we were bowling, and obviously it's good for bad
Speaker 2: as shitty for fields, terrible for bowlers. So if you
Speaker 2: get us, then did all of that with a dewey ball.
Speaker 2: Pretty sensational effort.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just on the pictures, there's some shockers. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the listany of low scores.
Speaker 1: We're not looking at two hundreds and two thirties or
Speaker 1: two four there's a litany of In some of the
Speaker 1: games I've been watching, I'm shocked at the quality of
Speaker 1: the actual wicket, you know, ducking and skidding along the ground.
Speaker 1: What the hell's going on?
Speaker 3: There are the droppings for New York dreadful. I've had
Speaker 3: all sorts of issues with that. I noticed that the
Speaker 3: curator of the droppings, who's the Adelaide Oval Curada, Damien
Speaker 3: Hoff I think his name is, said that he identified
Speaker 3: grass shoots were growing up in the cracks of the
Speaker 3: wicket in New York, so they've had to lay it well.
Speaker 3: I don't want to get into the turf management, but
Speaker 3: they've clearly got issues there that aren't going to be
Speaker 3: solved in time for the following games. I think New
Speaker 3: York gets played on victually every day for the next
Speaker 3: couple of days and then that's gone. Then they moved
Speaker 3: to Florida for the rest of the US kind of
Speaker 3: segment in the Western These wickets are playing actually like
Speaker 3: you'd expect them to play if you watch the CPL,
Speaker 3: this is what they do slow. It's not ipl style,
Speaker 3: big Best style T twenty cricket.
Speaker 2: But the pictures aren't shiny as what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Yes, if you look at it, you think maybe New
Speaker 3: Zealand could prosper on these type of wickets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, without Dibley doubles. It's interesting, fellas. I was looking
Speaker 1: at the table thinking to myself, my god, we're in
Speaker 1: a world of pain here, the West Indies coming up.
Speaker 1: Do we need to look at some changes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think we do. Nich I could make
Speaker 3: a case for three of the people that missed out
Speaker 3: getting around. I might look to play South instead of Henry,
Speaker 3: although that's still a fifty to fifty call for me.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be offended either way, but n them, I
Speaker 3: would definitely bring in and Retchen Avenger. Like you guys,
Speaker 3: I can't believe he wasn't in that eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so that do you bring do you
Speaker 2: bring do you bring Chipman games and for Chipman and
Speaker 2: then who are you bringing I do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd probably go Nian for Chapman, Revenger for Conway,
Speaker 3: which would then require either phineas slug or a real
Speaker 3: turn back the clock, and Glenn Phillips is keeper. But
Speaker 3: let's face it, neither of them can do any worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually they could level up the bet. They could
Speaker 2: just level up the batting basically, bring Revengder in for
Speaker 2: Chapman and bring Nisham in as a bowler and get
Speaker 2: rid of Henry and and and just deep in that batting.
Speaker 3: Line up though is I mean he can go for
Speaker 3: plenty so that he can it would be bold. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you could do that.
Speaker 1: Because the worrying thing too, is that in the West Indies,
Speaker 1: as you say, we were saying earlier, coming into a
Speaker 1: bit of form, looking looking strong, you know, and on
Speaker 1: their home to going to be difficult to beat Paul Forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they've got they have got some aggressive batters.
Speaker 2: Their skip of Rodmin Powell, he bashes the living Bejesus
Speaker 2: out of it. I think I thought it. Sort of
Speaker 2: stat which sets strike rate in the death overs is
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety seven against Pace, So yeah, let's
Speaker 2: let's not do that to him. Let's see And of
Speaker 2: course a very tricky spinner is a keil I was
Speaker 2: saying in particular as a real gun and a real
Speaker 2: power play specialist. One thing that we do need to
Speaker 2: keep an eye on is the weather too, which it
Speaker 2: looks like on Monday, which it will be played, the
Speaker 2: games played on Monday. In Where is it Dylan, it's in.
Speaker 2: It's in the Brian Lara.
Speaker 3: Isn't it Taruba? South of Port of Spain? Kind of
Speaker 3: on the still on the left hand coast of Trinidad,
Speaker 3: but much further south than Queen's Park Oval.
Speaker 2: So yeah, thunderstorms are forecast in a seventy nine percent
Speaker 2: chance of rain. So you know, even if New Zealand
Speaker 2: get out there and look magnificent against the West Indies,
Speaker 2: it could get washed away, which would be pretty tragic.
Speaker 1: Yes, just looking at the table, Dylan, Yes, it's not
Speaker 1: looking good. As was stated in our correspondence, we could
Speaker 1: win the rest of our games and still not get through.
Speaker 3: Now what would need? What appears we need now? Especially
Speaker 3: with Westernies bowling Uganda out for thirty nine or something.
Speaker 3: Is we pretty much need to beat the West Indies
Speaker 3: and then hope Afghanistan also turn over the West Indies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that would get us through. But just while we're on
Speaker 3: the subject of Trinidad's follow on from last week where
Speaker 3: my guennes all time eleven, Trinidad is probably the second
Speaker 3: richest of the West West Indies conglomeration in terms of
Speaker 3: the talent factory. My eleven for Trinidad all time eleven
Speaker 3: is Jeffrey Stollmeyer and Darren Bravo opening, Brian Lara three,
Speaker 3: Larry Gomes four, Charlie Davis number five Larry Constantine. What
Speaker 3: a great man he was civil rights activist as well.
Speaker 3: He's the captain and all rounder. Bernard Julian's another all rounder.
Speaker 3: Derek Murray is the wicked keeper, Ian Bishop, Shannon Gabriel
Speaker 3: and Sonny Ramaden are the bowlers and Geezy some good
Speaker 3: players that miss out on that team like Dwayne Bravo
Speaker 3: and Denise Ramden, Phil Simmons soon Alnarene. But last week
Speaker 3: I asked you the question who was the Goanese cricketer
Speaker 3: who died in Hamilton a couple of years ago. Patrick
Speaker 3: Patterson was the first one to write him with a
Speaker 3: correct fella. Hey, correct answer, Hey, fellas, great to hear
Speaker 3: you back. I think this week's mystery man is Bruce
Speaker 3: Hamilton Paradoo. Quite a coincidence that he ended up dying
Speaker 3: in the city of his middle name. Cheers Patrick and
Speaker 3: thank you. That is the correct answer. This week's question
Speaker 3: is which Trinidaddian cricketer died in christ Church eleven years ago?
Speaker 2: We Indian cricketers keep dying in New Zealand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know so if you know the answer to that,
Speaker 3: back of an envelope will give you the details later
Speaker 3: on in the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what fellas looking at the te there,
Speaker 1: she's going to be a ding dong battle against Guyana.
Speaker 3: Against Diana, p and g and g or.
Speaker 1: Gander. But you are correct. I think that's going to
Speaker 1: be a classic match. New Zealand bowled out for a
Speaker 1: poultry sixty three and the Ugandans coming storming home.
Speaker 2: We may see some flexibility in the batting order if
Speaker 2: we're chasing net run rate, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Was it too late to change the uniform? Oh?
Speaker 3: Please God, let them change their uniform. But there's too late.
Speaker 3: I think they're locked into this strangely. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: quite a radical color to hell, but they've somehow managed
Speaker 3: to make it really dull. Yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 3: was wrong with beige or black.
Speaker 1: You don't know what's wrong with beige.
Speaker 2: Or you're not going to get any argument from me
Speaker 2: on that. Hey, that till Jase. Just so you know,
Speaker 2: we came third in the nineteen ninety nine World Cup
Speaker 2: wearing it, So that's not a great inspiration the uniform
Speaker 2: in which we game third.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. I think it's dashing. Do you
Speaker 1: teal as opposed to beige?
Speaker 3: Beige?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Bege is something about it? Bese evokes these memories that
Speaker 3: are almost visceral from the early eighties, true be andidating
Speaker 3: from the camera penning to the New Zealand team waiting
Speaker 3: and waiting to bat or smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Maybe they just feel really stupid wearing teal and that's
Speaker 1: why they played so badly. They were just really self conscious.
Speaker 3: Possible.
Speaker 1: Let's take another ad break and we'll be back to
Speaker 1: discuss the rest of the tournament. Yes, indeed, welcome back
Speaker 1: to the b YC. India beat Pakistan by six runs,
Speaker 1: very low scoring affair of that little doozy, but India
Speaker 1: sneaking through Dylan Kleaver.
Speaker 3: Yeah, massive, obviously geopolitical ramifications for that, but that was
Speaker 3: paid in New York to engage the South Asian despora.
Speaker 3: Job done, I guess it was just a shame that
Speaker 3: conditions probably didn't match the occasion.
Speaker 2: Yes, thirty four thousand seat stadium built in five months.
Speaker 2: Pretty extraordinary. It's not really New.
Speaker 1: York, is it.
Speaker 2: It's long Island. It's bloody miles out of New York.
Speaker 2: You can see New York if you stand on the
Speaker 2: roof of the stadium and get binoculars and look into
Speaker 2: the distance. You know, it's pretty ridiculous. It was. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed the game. I've got to say that those games
Speaker 2: are just sensational. India Pakistan. I think Pakistan bottled this
Speaker 2: one though. I mean they needed a run a ball
Speaker 2: and they got Jaspit boomerd at the end. But when
Speaker 2: they needed to run a ball, they still kept trying
Speaker 2: to bolt the living Bejesus out of it over the stands,
Speaker 2: and it just it was quite frustrating to watch. I
Speaker 2: did just want to say, if you haven't seen the
Speaker 2: halfway entertainment in that match, which featured some Emirates air
Speaker 2: hostess is doing not even a cheerleading dance, just to
Speaker 2: sort of walk down the aisle, kind of synchronized walk.
Speaker 2: And then Ricky Ponting doing a super enthusiastic introduction live
Speaker 2: at the ground, one of the most colossal waste of
Speaker 2: money of all time. Ricky Ponting out on the field
Speaker 2: introducing the Emirates air hostess is well, we're being subjected,
Speaker 2: to Steve Smith in the commentary not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, God help us all Ossie knocking over the
Speaker 1: English no real surprises, no.
Speaker 3: But two things or England. This England white Bull unit
Speaker 3: has probably been viewed in a similar way as we're
Speaker 3: viewing the Black Caps at the moment when they're pressed
Speaker 3: back home. They are not happy with Matthew Mott at all.
Speaker 3: It was a really limp performance from England on both
Speaker 3: sides of the ball. Australia, though, jeepers just look annoyingly
Speaker 3: efficient when they bring hazer Wood Cummins Zampa. These guys
Speaker 3: just know how to bowl in any conditions you put
Speaker 3: them on. They're already looking like a tough out in America.
Speaker 1: Well, let's just call it, shall we. Let's just be done.
Speaker 1: Just give it to the now pull forward. Wait don't we.
Speaker 2: If I knew that they were going to win, I
Speaker 2: would definitely stop watching it. It's quite a good point,
Speaker 2: jas So yeah, like it might save me a bit
Speaker 2: of time.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: The other thing that they've got, Dylan, and I know
Speaker 2: you're probably just about to get to this is first
Speaker 2: of all, they've got the first score past two hundred
Speaker 2: and the tournament Jase, just for you. Yes, so you
Speaker 2: did have to watch David Warner and Travis Head go
Speaker 2: for it. They combined for seventy three or thirty four balls,
Speaker 2: Australia with seventy four for two at the end of
Speaker 2: those first six overs, just to show that compare contrast
Speaker 2: with the way New Zealand's going about things at the moment.
Speaker 2: Very different contrasting styles.
Speaker 1: Bangladesh beat for a lunkabo two wickets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was quite big for the tournament. It effectively
Speaker 3: put Sri Lanka out. I think they would need a
Speaker 3: miracle to get in from here. Bangladesh almost made a
Speaker 3: mess of it. They weren't chasing a whole lot one.
Speaker 2: Hundred and twenty five. I think they were chasing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy that just seems to never not be
Speaker 3: part of the Bangladesh team. That's double negative with the
Speaker 3: every terrible grammar and syntax. But Marmadulla, he was the
Speaker 3: key for them, got them home. But that that group
Speaker 3: what group are they in?
Speaker 2: And Group D?
Speaker 3: That looks like a lock for South Africa and Bangladesh.
Speaker 3: Now after South Africa beat their bogey team Netherleans. I
Speaker 3: love the way that Netherlans are called South African's bogy
Speaker 3: team after they beat them once.
Speaker 1: Ah, and I very much enjoyed this match. A USA
Speaker 1: stunned the pakistanis full forward.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was quite quite extraordinary. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: just unfathomably bad bowling by Pakistan. I mean they just
Speaker 2: looked like they just lost their rag at the end
Speaker 2: of that game. It was an absolute shambles in the USA. Again,
Speaker 2: just sensational, Yeah it was. It was a terrific game
Speaker 2: of cricket. Really awesome for the tournament. And yeah, what
Speaker 2: what can the USA do against India? Who knows?
Speaker 3: Can just raise something here and I don't want to
Speaker 3: cast dispersions on anyone here, but what a bizarre scene
Speaker 3: at the end of the regulation twenty overs where USA
Speaker 3: need four to tie the game off the last ball
Speaker 3: and you bring you on mid On and mid Off
Speaker 3: up inside the circle and then bowl full outside off stump.
Speaker 3: It was curious. Can I say that it was a
Speaker 3: curious tactic? And of course the USA better did what
Speaker 3: he needed to do and which was plopping over the
Speaker 3: head of mid Off for four. And we go into
Speaker 3: a super over which the USA didn't make a race of.
Speaker 3: And it's quite a nice story. Actually, the guy that
Speaker 3: bowled the super over for USA is a computer programmer
Speaker 3: from I think it's Mumbai, certainly India, gone to America
Speaker 3: to make his riches. He actually played h group cricket.
Speaker 3: I think he might even come to New Zealand for
Speaker 3: an Under nineteen World Cup with India. Others went ahead
Speaker 3: of him, so he immigrated to find a new life
Speaker 3: for the USA and then gets his moment in the spotlight,
Speaker 3: which is just lovely enough for Gunner's name.
Speaker 2: Sorry, so beautiful, Mira Volka, that's his name. Sensational. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a software engineer. I think he works for Oracle.
Speaker 2: I think full time day job.
Speaker 3: Amazing you were taking qualify from that, Paul, We should
Speaker 3: say yes, I was a little bit about to go
Speaker 3: to the table. Here.
Speaker 1: Group A, India and USA atop the table on four points.
Speaker 1: The piece Canada of to Pakistan zero, Island zero. Group
Speaker 1: B Scotland Australia atop the table with Scotland on five,
Speaker 1: Australia on four but Scotland played three matches Namibbe to
Speaker 1: England one, Oman zero. I haven't spoken for a week.
Speaker 1: You can tell, can't you. Afghanistan top of Group C,
Speaker 1: two from two as other West Indies again one two points,
Speaker 1: Papa New Guinea ahead of New Zealand and New Zealand
Speaker 1: floundering at the bottom. And Group D South Africa and Bangladesh.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: South Africa in the lead with two wins from two
Speaker 1: matches on four points, Bangladesh one from one, then the Netherlands,
Speaker 1: Nepal and Sri Lanka following up the rare fellows.
Speaker 2: It's really great the Netherlands. I think the Netherlands could
Speaker 2: sneak through on there. I'm backing them in the next
Speaker 2: couple of games. I think they could do some damage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they could be begla dish, can they? But I
Speaker 3: was just going to say, it's very amusing group. See
Speaker 3: if you look at the net run rate column where
Speaker 3: you have the team at the top on five positive
Speaker 3: five point two to two five, which is just enormous.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've seen that before, and New
Speaker 3: Zealand sitting there on minus four point two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shambles. It's head to your correspondents. The USA vibes
Speaker 1: you want to read this one, Paul Forward from Willow
Speaker 1: in the USA.
Speaker 2: Sure, as an American living in Denver, Colorado, there's almost
Speaker 2: zero evidence that the US is playing co host in
Speaker 2: the T twenty Cricket World Cup. I saw one highlight
Speaker 2: on ESPN Top ten Players of the Day. There's a
Speaker 2: brief mention in the New York Times about the new
Speaker 2: venue in New York hosting India versus Pakistan. But outside
Speaker 2: that zero coverage, the only way I found to legally
Speaker 2: watch the matches as a paid subscription to Willow TV,
Speaker 2: so it is almost impossible for an average person to
Speaker 2: accidentally stumble upon it. I watched my first Test match
Speaker 2: while studying in England and became a Black Cats supporter.
Speaker 2: When I returned home to the US, discovered that ESPN
Speaker 2: streamed all New Zealand domestic Black Cats and White Firms
Speaker 2: home matches. I traveled down to New Zealand last February
Speaker 2: to see my first matches live at the Basin and
Speaker 2: at Hagley, and hope to return either this coming summer
Speaker 2: or the summer after the Sea some more. I've got
Speaker 2: no ties to full ICC member countries and I don't
Speaker 2: know anyone else in the country who watches the sport,
Speaker 2: so it is something of a lonely existence. I'm very
Speaker 2: happy to give more US updates, updates as you desire,
Speaker 2: lovely to hear from you. Well, yeah, I mentioned last
Speaker 2: week Jason, very curious to hear how normal people in
Speaker 2: America are encountering their Cricket World Cup. Even that breakthrough
Speaker 2: when from the United States and that massive game overnight,
Speaker 2: it does seem like it's extremely subcontinental focused, diaspora focused
Speaker 2: coverage of the Cricket World Cup.
Speaker 3: Yes, really the mainstream I think Willow TV goes great guns. Actually,
Speaker 3: I think that's been a real success story. But I
Speaker 3: mean that's a great piece of correspondence. I'd love you
Speaker 3: to hear from Willow and if you are in the
Speaker 3: country next summer and hanging around the Basin, which is
Speaker 3: where I make my annual pilgrimage to watch test match
Speaker 3: there you'll probably find Paul Forward and I sitting there,
Speaker 3: so make yourself none.
Speaker 2: And those two games that he went to that Englands,
Speaker 2: that would have been England at the Basin Reserve and
Speaker 2: Sri Lanka at Hagley, two of the greatest games of
Speaker 2: cricket you could ever watch live in your entire life.
Speaker 2: So he set a high bar.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, New York issues.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's just the patch. Oh right, we and
Speaker 3: like we would have been remiss if Paul hadn't mentioned
Speaker 3: it to say that, it's a pretty astonishing effort to
Speaker 3: get a thirty thousand seat stadium built from scratch, So
Speaker 3: kudos to the ICC and the local authorities and whoever
Speaker 3: managed to get that up and running. But the wicket
Speaker 3: is an incredibly important part of the cricket viewing, Yeah somewhat.
Speaker 2: The other slightly minor issue that we may have just
Speaker 2: glossed over is the ISIS threat that surrounded the game today.
Speaker 2: But does seem that no lone wolf has taken up
Speaker 2: there request that someone does some sort of outrageous, dastardly
Speaker 2: deed at the game. So yeah, good luck to anyone
Speaker 2: trying to get through through the security. I think there
Speaker 2: are literally thousands of police and military there with guns.
Speaker 2: No drones of course or anything like that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl on steroid seem to have done pretty
Speaker 2: well overnight.
Speaker 1: Good stuff. What's going on with the bound still in clever?
Speaker 3: Busy man, I am busy man. The Bounce is clearly
Speaker 3: TEA twenty focused at the moment, but there's a bit
Speaker 3: going on other sports and rugby. Super rugby's approaching.
Speaker 1: It's now. I've been enjoying that. Yeah, it's been it's
Speaker 1: been good.
Speaker 3: So yeah, hop along to that. Google Dylan Cleaver of
Speaker 3: The Bounce or go to Dylanclever dot sub stack dot
Speaker 3: com would love to have you along.
Speaker 1: Great stuff mate. Well that brings us to the end
Speaker 1: of this podcast. We'll be back, well probably not the
Speaker 1: same time, same place, a little bit further on next week,
Speaker 1: well maybe Monday.
Speaker 3: When are we back? You should check that and she produce.
Speaker 2: We're I think we're back on Friday actually for a
Speaker 2: cheeky little Cricket World Cup pod whoever can make it,
Speaker 2: so keep an air out on Friday. Okay, game against
Speaker 2: the West Indies.
Speaker 1: Good stuff, good stuff. Well, thanks for taking the time
Speaker 1: to listen. As we say, we'll keep you updated as
Speaker 1: the tournament goes on, and hopefully some better news to
Speaker 1: report Fellas and the shambles that we had to talk
Speaker 1: about today