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Speaker 1: Live from the Export Beer Garden Studios. This is the

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Speaker 1: byc where today we'll be analyzing New Zealand's first performance

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Speaker 1: of the T twenty World Cup. Though to call of

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Speaker 1: the performance would be flattering, a shambles would be a

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Speaker 1: more accurate description. Whatever geniuses thought it would be a

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Speaker 1: good idea to send our troops to a World Cup

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Speaker 1: with zero preparation needs a thorough are slapping. It was

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Speaker 1: subpar in every aspect, from the woeful fielding to the stilted,

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Speaker 1: clueless batting. We were completely outplayed and now find ourselves

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Speaker 1: with only an outside chance of advancing to the next stage.

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Speaker 1: In need, we need reminding the result Afghanistan one fifty

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Speaker 1: nine for six New Zealand. My god, are you vomiting?

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Speaker 1: Am I?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: I was getting a bit of vomb in the mouth there, fellow,

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Speaker 1: Sorry about that A poultry A disgusting seventy five. But

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Speaker 1: let's sleep right into the correspondence and I'll kick us off. Fellows,

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Speaker 1: if you don't mind, This is from Farhad and Chittagong, Hi. Guys,

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Speaker 1: does conways ain't disoriented left hand reflect the state of

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's team in this World Cup? You keep calling

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Speaker 1: Afghanistan match. The Afghanistan match a banana skin, but the

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Speaker 1: outcome was more obvious than that. West Indies are beatable,

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Speaker 1: and yet black Caps can be out of the equation

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Speaker 1: even if they win the rest of their games.

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Speaker 3: And I'll fly straight on from Farhad and Chittagong with Dean.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say, Can I just say? It was

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Speaker 2: less of a bananaska and more like encountering a suburb

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Speaker 2: of fruit shops. You know, it was much much bigger

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Speaker 2: than a banana skin. I think Farhan's got something. He's

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Speaker 2: on the money here as you're way.

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Speaker 3: I'm intrigued as well by the reference to a disoriented

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Speaker 3: Dean w. The no warm up scenario is just beyond belief.

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Speaker 3: We play a trackload of meaningless tea twenty eyes, but

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Speaker 3: we play none before an actual tournament. This was our

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Speaker 3: top three against the Afghans, who played three games in

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Speaker 3: a week before they played US. I might add Finellen

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Speaker 3: last played the competitive match on February twenty three, Devin

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Speaker 3: Conway last played a competitive match on February twenty three,

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Speaker 3: and Kan Williamson last played a competitive match on April seven,

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Speaker 3: Phillips hadn't played since February twenty five. Was it news

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Speaker 3: to Gary Stead that Afghanistan are a bona fide side

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Speaker 3: who would likely prosper in Guiennese conditions? Incredible mismanagement but

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Speaker 3: sadly commonplace under this coach or plenty to plenty to

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Speaker 3: get stuck.

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Speaker 1: In sink your teeth into their fellas well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, first and foremost, I think that Dean makes

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Speaker 1: a really good point. Afghanistan to no easy beats. They're

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Speaker 1: a good side, particularly when it comes to T twenties.

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Speaker 1: But let's hoe into it. Until the lack of preparation

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Speaker 1: it showed pull forward in every single aspect of our game.

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Speaker 1: That fielding was woeful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was absolutely diabolical. And I'm sure, as Dylan

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Speaker 2: will be telling us shortly, it's not an anomaly that

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Speaker 2: our footing was like that. It started to get pretty

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Speaker 2: messy about twelve months ago, something like that really has

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Speaker 2: fallen off a cliff. But yeah, look, I totally agree

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Speaker 2: like that. I had a look at thet what was

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Speaker 2: said around why we didn't play the woman so and

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Speaker 2: what Gary said was it's a westerns is a tough

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Speaker 2: place to start, it's hard to get people to Trinity,

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Speaker 2: Dad and Tobago. At the same time, the Australians went

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Speaker 2: guys that they had there. They chucked a couple of

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Speaker 2: coaches in and they just made sure that their bad

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Speaker 2: has got a bat. And yeah, I think there's an element.

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Speaker 2: Is it complacency or is it the fact that we

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Speaker 2: don't have as much control over the players frankly as

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Speaker 2: what we kind of need and what we're used to.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what it is, but clearly there was

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Speaker 2: a decision made by somebody to rely purely on historical

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Speaker 2: particularly against the team as you say, Jas and as

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Speaker 2: Dean w said, was always going to be really bloody difficult.

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Speaker 2: They've ripped teams in the last fifty over World Cup.

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Speaker 2: Sure they've never beat in New Zealand before, but that's

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Speaker 2: no reason that they were never going to do something

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Speaker 1: Dylan, can I liken it to this, It's like old

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Speaker 1: Hoody j packing up a cricket bat after not having

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Speaker 1: ACC not a bloody clue, not a clue, but serious mismanagement.

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Speaker 1: You've got to say, really, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Paul raised a very interesting little point there that

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Speaker 3: I wonder if Warren's expansion and that is the sense

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Speaker 3: to more preparation time. Is that complacency or is that arrogance?

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Speaker 3: Is that thinking that you're pretty much going to use

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe it was. Maybe. I mean, it's inconceivable

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Speaker 3: this sort of preparation. It's inconceivable even that you would.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you go into a test season. I guess

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Speaker 3: bit harder to get warm up games for those. But

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Speaker 3: you think about what you used to do on a

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Speaker 3: to have disappeared, and certainly it's less important than it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting too, and I think you touched

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Speaker 2: they had a very very handy first game up against Uganda.

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Speaker 2: So you couldn't we couldn't have hit them at probably

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you would hate to think, Dylan, as

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Speaker 1: You would hope that wasn't the case, and it reeks

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Speaker 1: How do you guys feel about it?

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Speaker 3: Ah, dreadful And I can kind of understand the rationale.

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Speaker 3: It certainly helps the balance of your team if you've

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Speaker 3: that kind of filtered through the team. I felt like

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Speaker 3: he made a couple of critical errors in the first

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Speaker 3: it clipped the leg stump. But it kind of you

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Speaker 3: dropping that basic return from Matt Henry for the runout

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Speaker 3: what should have been a run of the mill run out. Yes,

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Speaker 3: so they've got they've got thinking to do there, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure what their options are, but we

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Speaker 1: And God forbid he break his hand again, you know,

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Speaker 1: he breaks his hand again, you know, put him put

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Speaker 3: That's a good point, coming back from a broken fingers,

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Speaker 3: stick and wicket keeper. That sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you know I mentioned before about how we've

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Speaker 2: cited the fact that we've got Caribbean Premier League experience. Well,

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Speaker 2: there's a guy that's been to the Caribbean Premier League

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Speaker 2: And if you use the same thinking, why isn't he there?

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Speaker 2: Like it's sort of this weird thing where it's like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, moving on from that, we left two hundred and

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Speaker 1: This is crazy? What is it with Ratch? And just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the few guys that's actually been playing

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Speaker 3: IPL but he finished the tournament quite strongly. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: probably feels the same way about Cantabrians as the Daily

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Speaker 3: Mail feels about Mega Markel. But he kind of pointed

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Speaker 3: wasn't quite as offended by it because I think, if

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Speaker 3: off some ibl so I could kind of understand that.

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Speaker 3: But there is this incredible scenario now where New Zealand

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Speaker 3: and Jimmy Neisham too. I think he could have make

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Speaker 3: a really strong case for him to get a run.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm not sure if the configuration of the

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Speaker 1: No pull forward your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could care with a lot of that, But yeah,

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Speaker 2: the Chapman over avenger, which I assume was sort of

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Speaker 1: to this b y C podcast. Phineas slog. Let's have

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Speaker 2: against them, they are going to punish you. I think

432
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Speaker 2: they put a hell of a lot of stock in

433
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Speaker 2: those in those top two batters, But if you let

434
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Speaker 2: them get away, you know you're they're gonna They're going

435
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Speaker 2: to wreck absolute havoc and the threat of Rashid Khan

436
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Speaker 2: is just horrible. I think for batting teams when you're

437
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Speaker 2: facing you know that they've got Rashid Khan to come on.

438
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Speaker 2: I mean Rushi Khann's record. He he has got one

439
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty four wickets at an average of fourteen,

440
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Speaker 2: a strike grade of fourteen, in an economy rate of

441
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Speaker 2: six runs per over. He the Afghani Afridi is a freak.

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Speaker 3: Can't point out too that they were missing their best

443
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Speaker 3: new ball spinner in Mougi. He would have been very

444
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Speaker 3: tricky on that se if it's not that they needed

445
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Speaker 3: any more tricks when New Zealand collapsed for seventy five.

446
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Speaker 3: The one thing he might have added to is he's

447
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Speaker 3: a comical fielder, so that might have balanced the ledger.

448
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Speaker 2: So that's sobering. The other thing I was just going

449
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Speaker 2: to mention, just very quickly, was I'm sure I read

450
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Speaker 2: it or heard an interview with Mitchell Center where he

451
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Speaker 2: said that the pitch changed significantly in the second innings,

452
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Speaker 2: and I was like, what, like, yeah, you know, I

453
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Speaker 2: assume that we chose to bat second so that the Jew,

454
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Speaker 2: when the Jew came in, we didn't have to face

455
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Speaker 2: that we were bowling, and obviously it's good for bad

456
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Speaker 2: as shitty for fields, terrible for bowlers. So if you

457
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Speaker 2: get us, then did all of that with a dewey ball.

458
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Speaker 2: Pretty sensational effort.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just on the pictures, there's some shockers. Yeah, I mean,

460
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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the listany of low scores.

461
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Speaker 1: We're not looking at two hundreds and two thirties or

462
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Speaker 1: two four there's a litany of In some of the

463
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Speaker 1: games I've been watching, I'm shocked at the quality of

464
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Speaker 1: the actual wicket, you know, ducking and skidding along the ground.

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Speaker 1: What the hell's going on?

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Speaker 3: There are the droppings for New York dreadful. I've had

467
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Speaker 3: all sorts of issues with that. I noticed that the

468
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Speaker 3: curator of the droppings, who's the Adelaide Oval Curada, Damien

469
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Speaker 3: Hoff I think his name is, said that he identified

470
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Speaker 3: grass shoots were growing up in the cracks of the

471
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Speaker 3: wicket in New York, so they've had to lay it well.

472
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Speaker 3: I don't want to get into the turf management, but

473
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Speaker 3: they've clearly got issues there that aren't going to be

474
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Speaker 3: solved in time for the following games. I think New

475
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Speaker 3: York gets played on victually every day for the next

476
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Speaker 3: couple of days and then that's gone. Then they moved

477
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Speaker 3: to Florida for the rest of the US kind of

478
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Speaker 3: segment in the Western These wickets are playing actually like

479
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Speaker 3: you'd expect them to play if you watch the CPL,

480
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Speaker 3: this is what they do slow. It's not ipl style,

481
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Speaker 3: big Best style T twenty cricket.

482
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Speaker 2: But the pictures aren't shiny as what you're saying.

483
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Speaker 3: Yes, if you look at it, you think maybe New

484
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Speaker 3: Zealand could prosper on these type of wickets.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah, without Dibley doubles. It's interesting, fellas. I was looking

486
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Speaker 1: at the table thinking to myself, my god, we're in

487
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Speaker 1: a world of pain here, the West Indies coming up.

488
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Speaker 1: Do we need to look at some changes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think we do. Nich I could make

490
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Speaker 3: a case for three of the people that missed out

491
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Speaker 3: getting around. I might look to play South instead of Henry,

492
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Speaker 3: although that's still a fifty to fifty call for me.

493
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be offended either way, but n them, I

494
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Speaker 3: would definitely bring in and Retchen Avenger. Like you guys,

495
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Speaker 3: I can't believe he wasn't in that eleven.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so that do you bring do you

497
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Speaker 2: bring do you bring Chipman games and for Chipman and

498
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Speaker 2: then who are you bringing I do that?

499
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd probably go Nian for Chapman, Revenger for Conway,

500
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: which would then require either phineas slug or a real

501
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: turn back the clock, and Glenn Phillips is keeper. But

502
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 3: let's face it, neither of them can do any worse.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually they could level up the bet. They could

504
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Speaker 2: just level up the batting basically, bring Revengder in for

505
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Speaker 2: Chapman and bring Nisham in as a bowler and get

506
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Speaker 2: rid of Henry and and and just deep in that batting.

507
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Speaker 3: Line up though is I mean he can go for

508
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: plenty so that he can it would be bold. But yeah,

509
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Speaker 3: you could do that.

510
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Speaker 1: Because the worrying thing too, is that in the West Indies,

511
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Speaker 1: as you say, we were saying earlier, coming into a

512
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Speaker 1: bit of form, looking looking strong, you know, and on

513
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Speaker 1: their home to going to be difficult to beat Paul Forward.

514
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they've got they have got some aggressive batters.

515
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: Their skip of Rodmin Powell, he bashes the living Bejesus

516
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Speaker 2: out of it. I think I thought it. Sort of

517
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: stat which sets strike rate in the death overs is

518
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Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety seven against Pace, So yeah, let's

519
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Speaker 2: let's not do that to him. Let's see And of

520
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: course a very tricky spinner is a keil I was

521
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Speaker 2: saying in particular as a real gun and a real

522
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Speaker 2: power play specialist. One thing that we do need to

523
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Speaker 2: keep an eye on is the weather too, which it

524
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Speaker 2: looks like on Monday, which it will be played, the

525
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Speaker 2: games played on Monday. In Where is it Dylan, it's in.

526
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Speaker 2: It's in the Brian Lara.

527
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Speaker 3: Isn't it Taruba? South of Port of Spain? Kind of

528
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Speaker 3: on the still on the left hand coast of Trinidad,

529
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Speaker 3: but much further south than Queen's Park Oval.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, thunderstorms are forecast in a seventy nine percent

531
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Speaker 2: chance of rain. So you know, even if New Zealand

532
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Speaker 2: get out there and look magnificent against the West Indies,

533
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Speaker 2: it could get washed away, which would be pretty tragic.

534
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Speaker 1: Yes, just looking at the table, Dylan, Yes, it's not

535
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Speaker 1: looking good. As was stated in our correspondence, we could

536
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Speaker 1: win the rest of our games and still not get through.

537
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Speaker 3: Now what would need? What appears we need now? Especially

538
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Speaker 3: with Westernies bowling Uganda out for thirty nine or something.

539
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Speaker 3: Is we pretty much need to beat the West Indies

540
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Speaker 3: and then hope Afghanistan also turn over the West Indies. Yeah,

541
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Speaker 3: that would get us through. But just while we're on

542
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Speaker 3: the subject of Trinidad's follow on from last week where

543
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Speaker 3: my guennes all time eleven, Trinidad is probably the second

544
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Speaker 3: richest of the West West Indies conglomeration in terms of

545
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Speaker 3: the talent factory. My eleven for Trinidad all time eleven

546
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Speaker 3: is Jeffrey Stollmeyer and Darren Bravo opening, Brian Lara three,

547
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Speaker 3: Larry Gomes four, Charlie Davis number five Larry Constantine. What

548
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: a great man he was civil rights activist as well.

549
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: He's the captain and all rounder. Bernard Julian's another all rounder.

550
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 3: Derek Murray is the wicked keeper, Ian Bishop, Shannon Gabriel

551
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: and Sonny Ramaden are the bowlers and Geezy some good

552
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Speaker 3: players that miss out on that team like Dwayne Bravo

553
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: and Denise Ramden, Phil Simmons soon Alnarene. But last week

554
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Speaker 3: I asked you the question who was the Goanese cricketer

555
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Speaker 3: who died in Hamilton a couple of years ago. Patrick

556
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: Patterson was the first one to write him with a

557
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: correct fella. Hey, correct answer, Hey, fellas, great to hear

558
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Speaker 3: you back. I think this week's mystery man is Bruce

559
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: Hamilton Paradoo. Quite a coincidence that he ended up dying

560
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Speaker 3: in the city of his middle name. Cheers Patrick and

561
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: thank you. That is the correct answer. This week's question

562
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: is which Trinidaddian cricketer died in christ Church eleven years ago?

563
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: We Indian cricketers keep dying in New Zealand.

564
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know so if you know the answer to that,

565
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: back of an envelope will give you the details later

566
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Speaker 3: on in the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what fellas looking at the te there,

568
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: she's going to be a ding dong battle against Guyana.

569
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Speaker 3: Against Diana, p and g and g or.

570
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Speaker 1: Gander. But you are correct. I think that's going to

571
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Speaker 1: be a classic match. New Zealand bowled out for a

572
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Speaker 1: poultry sixty three and the Ugandans coming storming home.

573
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Speaker 2: We may see some flexibility in the batting order if

574
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Speaker 2: we're chasing net run rate, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Was it too late to change the uniform? Oh?

577
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: Please God, let them change their uniform. But there's too late.

578
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: I think they're locked into this strangely. I mean, it's

579
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: quite a radical color to hell, but they've somehow managed

580
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Speaker 3: to make it really dull. Yeah, I don't know what

581
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: was wrong with beige or black.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what's wrong with beige.

583
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Speaker 2: Or you're not going to get any argument from me

584
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Speaker 2: on that. Hey, that till Jase. Just so you know,

585
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: we came third in the nineteen ninety nine World Cup

586
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Speaker 2: wearing it, So that's not a great inspiration the uniform

587
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Speaker 2: in which we game third.

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00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. I think it's dashing. Do you

589
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: teal as opposed to beige?

590
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: Beige?

591
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: Oh?

592
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: Bege is something about it? Bese evokes these memories that

593
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: are almost visceral from the early eighties, true be andidating

594
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: from the camera penning to the New Zealand team waiting

595
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: and waiting to bat or smoking cigarettes.

596
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: Maybe they just feel really stupid wearing teal and that's

597
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: why they played so badly. They were just really self conscious.

598
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: Possible.

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00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: Let's take another ad break and we'll be back to

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Speaker 1: discuss the rest of the tournament. Yes, indeed, welcome back

601
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Speaker 1: to the b YC. India beat Pakistan by six runs,

602
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: very low scoring affair of that little doozy, but India

603
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: sneaking through Dylan Kleaver.

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00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, massive, obviously geopolitical ramifications for that, but that was

605
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Speaker 3: paid in New York to engage the South Asian despora.

606
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: Job done, I guess it was just a shame that

607
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: conditions probably didn't match the occasion.

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00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: Yes, thirty four thousand seat stadium built in five months.

609
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: Pretty extraordinary. It's not really New.

610
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: York, is it.

611
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: It's long Island. It's bloody miles out of New York.

612
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: You can see New York if you stand on the

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Speaker 2: roof of the stadium and get binoculars and look into

614
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: the distance. You know, it's pretty ridiculous. It was. I

615
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Speaker 2: enjoyed the game. I've got to say that those games

616
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Speaker 2: are just sensational. India Pakistan. I think Pakistan bottled this

617
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Speaker 2: one though. I mean they needed a run a ball

618
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Speaker 2: and they got Jaspit boomerd at the end. But when

619
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Speaker 2: they needed to run a ball, they still kept trying

620
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Speaker 2: to bolt the living Bejesus out of it over the stands,

621
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Speaker 2: and it just it was quite frustrating to watch. I

622
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Speaker 2: did just want to say, if you haven't seen the

623
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Speaker 2: halfway entertainment in that match, which featured some Emirates air

624
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: hostess is doing not even a cheerleading dance, just to

625
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Speaker 2: sort of walk down the aisle, kind of synchronized walk.

626
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Speaker 2: And then Ricky Ponting doing a super enthusiastic introduction live

627
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: at the ground, one of the most colossal waste of

628
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: money of all time. Ricky Ponting out on the field

629
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Speaker 2: introducing the Emirates air hostess is well, we're being subjected,

630
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: to Steve Smith in the commentary not good.

631
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Speaker 1: Yeah, God, God help us all Ossie knocking over the

632
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: English no real surprises, no.

633
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: But two things or England. This England white Bull unit

634
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Speaker 3: has probably been viewed in a similar way as we're

635
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Speaker 3: viewing the Black Caps at the moment when they're pressed

636
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Speaker 3: back home. They are not happy with Matthew Mott at all.

637
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Speaker 3: It was a really limp performance from England on both

638
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: sides of the ball. Australia, though, jeepers just look annoyingly

639
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: efficient when they bring hazer Wood Cummins Zampa. These guys

640
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: just know how to bowl in any conditions you put

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Speaker 3: them on. They're already looking like a tough out in America.

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00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: Well, let's just call it, shall we. Let's just be done.

643
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Speaker 1: Just give it to the now pull forward. Wait don't we.

644
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: If I knew that they were going to win, I

645
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Speaker 2: would definitely stop watching it. It's quite a good point,

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Speaker 2: jas So yeah, like it might save me a bit

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Speaker 2: of time.

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that they've got, Dylan, and I know

650
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Speaker 2: you're probably just about to get to this is first

651
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Speaker 2: of all, they've got the first score past two hundred

652
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Speaker 2: and the tournament Jase, just for you. Yes, so you

653
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Speaker 2: did have to watch David Warner and Travis Head go

654
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Speaker 2: for it. They combined for seventy three or thirty four balls,

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Speaker 2: Australia with seventy four for two at the end of

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Speaker 2: those first six overs, just to show that compare contrast

657
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Speaker 2: with the way New Zealand's going about things at the moment.

658
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Speaker 2: Very different contrasting styles.

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Speaker 1: Bangladesh beat for a lunkabo two wickets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was quite big for the tournament. It effectively

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Speaker 3: put Sri Lanka out. I think they would need a

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Speaker 3: miracle to get in from here. Bangladesh almost made a

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Speaker 3: mess of it. They weren't chasing a whole lot one.

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Speaker 2: Hundred and twenty five. I think they were chasing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy that just seems to never not be

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Speaker 3: part of the Bangladesh team. That's double negative with the

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Speaker 3: every terrible grammar and syntax. But Marmadulla, he was the

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Speaker 3: key for them, got them home. But that that group

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Speaker 3: what group are they in?

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Speaker 2: And Group D?

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Speaker 3: That looks like a lock for South Africa and Bangladesh.

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Speaker 3: Now after South Africa beat their bogey team Netherleans. I

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Speaker 3: love the way that Netherlans are called South African's bogy

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Speaker 3: team after they beat them once.

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Speaker 1: Ah, and I very much enjoyed this match. A USA

676
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Speaker 1: stunned the pakistanis full forward.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was quite quite extraordinary. Yeah, I think

678
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Speaker 2: just unfathomably bad bowling by Pakistan. I mean they just

679
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Speaker 2: looked like they just lost their rag at the end

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Speaker 2: of that game. It was an absolute shambles in the USA. Again,

681
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Speaker 2: just sensational, Yeah it was. It was a terrific game

682
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Speaker 2: of cricket. Really awesome for the tournament. And yeah, what

683
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Speaker 2: what can the USA do against India? Who knows?

684
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Speaker 3: Can just raise something here and I don't want to

685
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Speaker 3: cast dispersions on anyone here, but what a bizarre scene

686
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Speaker 3: at the end of the regulation twenty overs where USA

687
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Speaker 3: need four to tie the game off the last ball

688
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Speaker 3: and you bring you on mid On and mid Off

689
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 3: up inside the circle and then bowl full outside off stump.

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Speaker 3: It was curious. Can I say that it was a

691
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Speaker 3: curious tactic? And of course the USA better did what

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Speaker 3: he needed to do and which was plopping over the

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Speaker 3: head of mid Off for four. And we go into

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Speaker 3: a super over which the USA didn't make a race of.

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Speaker 3: And it's quite a nice story. Actually, the guy that

696
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Speaker 3: bowled the super over for USA is a computer programmer

697
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: from I think it's Mumbai, certainly India, gone to America

698
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Speaker 3: to make his riches. He actually played h group cricket.

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Speaker 3: I think he might even come to New Zealand for

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Speaker 3: an Under nineteen World Cup with India. Others went ahead

701
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Speaker 3: of him, so he immigrated to find a new life

702
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Speaker 3: for the USA and then gets his moment in the spotlight,

703
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Speaker 3: which is just lovely enough for Gunner's name.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, so beautiful, Mira Volka, that's his name. Sensational. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's a software engineer. I think he works for Oracle.

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Speaker 2: I think full time day job.

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Speaker 3: Amazing you were taking qualify from that, Paul, We should

708
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Speaker 3: say yes, I was a little bit about to go

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Speaker 3: to the table. Here.

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Speaker 1: Group A, India and USA atop the table on four points.

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Speaker 1: The piece Canada of to Pakistan zero, Island zero. Group

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Speaker 1: B Scotland Australia atop the table with Scotland on five,

713
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Speaker 1: Australia on four but Scotland played three matches Namibbe to

714
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Speaker 1: England one, Oman zero. I haven't spoken for a week.

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Speaker 1: You can tell, can't you. Afghanistan top of Group C,

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Speaker 1: two from two as other West Indies again one two points,

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Speaker 1: Papa New Guinea ahead of New Zealand and New Zealand

718
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Speaker 1: floundering at the bottom. And Group D South Africa and Bangladesh.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: South Africa in the lead with two wins from two

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Speaker 1: matches on four points, Bangladesh one from one, then the Netherlands,

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Speaker 1: Nepal and Sri Lanka following up the rare fellows.

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Speaker 2: It's really great the Netherlands. I think the Netherlands could

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Speaker 2: sneak through on there. I'm backing them in the next

725
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Speaker 2: couple of games. I think they could do some damage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they could be begla dish, can they? But I

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Speaker 3: was just going to say, it's very amusing group. See

728
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Speaker 3: if you look at the net run rate column where

729
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Speaker 3: you have the team at the top on five positive

730
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Speaker 3: five point two to two five, which is just enormous.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I've seen that before, and New

732
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Speaker 3: Zealand sitting there on minus four point two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shambles. It's head to your correspondents. The USA vibes

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Speaker 1: you want to read this one, Paul Forward from Willow

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Speaker 1: in the USA.

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Speaker 2: Sure, as an American living in Denver, Colorado, there's almost

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Speaker 2: zero evidence that the US is playing co host in

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Speaker 2: the T twenty Cricket World Cup. I saw one highlight

739
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Speaker 2: on ESPN Top ten Players of the Day. There's a

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Speaker 2: brief mention in the New York Times about the new

741
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Speaker 2: venue in New York hosting India versus Pakistan. But outside

742
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Speaker 2: that zero coverage, the only way I found to legally

743
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Speaker 2: watch the matches as a paid subscription to Willow TV,

744
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: so it is almost impossible for an average person to

745
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Speaker 2: accidentally stumble upon it. I watched my first Test match

746
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Speaker 2: while studying in England and became a Black Cats supporter.

747
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Speaker 2: When I returned home to the US, discovered that ESPN

748
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Speaker 2: streamed all New Zealand domestic Black Cats and White Firms

749
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Speaker 2: home matches. I traveled down to New Zealand last February

750
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Speaker 2: to see my first matches live at the Basin and

751
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Speaker 2: at Hagley, and hope to return either this coming summer

752
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Speaker 2: or the summer after the Sea some more. I've got

753
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Speaker 2: no ties to full ICC member countries and I don't

754
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Speaker 2: know anyone else in the country who watches the sport,

755
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Speaker 2: so it is something of a lonely existence. I'm very

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Speaker 2: happy to give more US updates, updates as you desire,

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Speaker 2: lovely to hear from you. Well, yeah, I mentioned last

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Speaker 2: week Jason, very curious to hear how normal people in

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Speaker 2: America are encountering their Cricket World Cup. Even that breakthrough

760
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Speaker 2: when from the United States and that massive game overnight,

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Speaker 2: it does seem like it's extremely subcontinental focused, diaspora focused

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Speaker 2: coverage of the Cricket World Cup.

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Speaker 3: Yes, really the mainstream I think Willow TV goes great guns. Actually,

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Speaker 3: I think that's been a real success story. But I

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Speaker 3: mean that's a great piece of correspondence. I'd love you

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Speaker 3: to hear from Willow and if you are in the

767
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Speaker 3: country next summer and hanging around the Basin, which is

768
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Speaker 3: where I make my annual pilgrimage to watch test match

769
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Speaker 3: there you'll probably find Paul Forward and I sitting there,

770
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Speaker 3: so make yourself none.

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Speaker 2: And those two games that he went to that Englands,

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Speaker 2: that would have been England at the Basin Reserve and

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Speaker 2: Sri Lanka at Hagley, two of the greatest games of

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Speaker 2: cricket you could ever watch live in your entire life.

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Speaker 2: So he set a high bar.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, New York issues.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's just the patch. Oh right, we and

778
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Speaker 3: like we would have been remiss if Paul hadn't mentioned

779
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Speaker 3: it to say that, it's a pretty astonishing effort to

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Speaker 3: get a thirty thousand seat stadium built from scratch, So

781
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: kudos to the ICC and the local authorities and whoever

782
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: managed to get that up and running. But the wicket

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Speaker 3: is an incredibly important part of the cricket viewing, Yeah somewhat.

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Speaker 2: The other slightly minor issue that we may have just

785
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Speaker 2: glossed over is the ISIS threat that surrounded the game today.

786
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: But does seem that no lone wolf has taken up

787
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Speaker 2: there request that someone does some sort of outrageous, dastardly

788
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Speaker 2: deed at the game. So yeah, good luck to anyone

789
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Speaker 2: trying to get through through the security. I think there

790
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Speaker 2: are literally thousands of police and military there with guns.

791
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Speaker 2: No drones of course or anything like that. So yeah,

792
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl on steroid seem to have done pretty

793
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Speaker 2: well overnight.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. What's going on with the bound still in clever?

795
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 3: Busy man, I am busy man. The Bounce is clearly

796
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: TEA twenty focused at the moment, but there's a bit

797
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: going on other sports and rugby. Super rugby's approaching.

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Speaker 1: It's now. I've been enjoying that. Yeah, it's been it's

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Speaker 1: been good.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, hop along to that. Google Dylan Cleaver of

801
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: The Bounce or go to Dylanclever dot sub stack dot

802
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: com would love to have you along.

803
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: Great stuff mate. Well that brings us to the end

804
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Speaker 1: of this podcast. We'll be back, well probably not the

805
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: same time, same place, a little bit further on next week,

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Speaker 1: well maybe Monday.

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Speaker 3: When are we back? You should check that and she produce.

808
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: We're I think we're back on Friday actually for a

809
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: cheeky little Cricket World Cup pod whoever can make it,

810
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: so keep an air out on Friday. Okay, game against

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Speaker 2: the West Indies.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, good stuff. Well, thanks for taking the time

813
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Speaker 1: to listen. As we say, we'll keep you updated as

814
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: the tournament goes on, and hopefully some better news to

815
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: report Fellas and the shambles that we had to talk

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Speaker 1: about today