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Speaker 1: The government has decided not to roll back the new

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Speaker 1: insulation standards that were introduced last year. The Construction Minister,

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Speaker 1: Chris Penk organized a review of the H one standards

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Speaker 1: after reports that they made building a new house cost

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Speaker 1: forty to fifty thousand dollars more. But there was a

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Speaker 1: backlash from the industry and now the Minister is going

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Speaker 1: to keep the standards but makes some changes to them.

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Speaker 1: The changes are going out for public consultation. Malcolm Fleming

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Speaker 1: is the chief executive of Certified Abilities with me now.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Fighting me on to your show not a problem.

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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you here. Are you pleased

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Speaker 1: with this outcome not dropping the standards altogether?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we are, And he's introduced the Minister has introduced

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Speaker 2: a change in terms of eliminating the availability of what

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Speaker 2: they call inscheduling method to assess the insallation available in

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Speaker 2: the house, and that change has been well signals, it

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Speaker 2: signaled and presents a sensible solution and demonstrates that the

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Speaker 2: Minister has listened to the industry on this matter.

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Speaker 1: Did he get it wrong initially when he said, you

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Speaker 1: know it was it was forty to fifty grand per house?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're advocating strongly to the Minister that that sort

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Speaker 2: of level of cost was a little bit over blind

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Speaker 2: and to demonstrate that, we surveyed a membership base, but

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Speaker 2: we also did a case study with a new ENDEDCB

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Speaker 2: Design Studios and when using the more sophisticated calculation method,

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Speaker 2: which you're going to have to either use that or

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Speaker 2: even more sophisticated modeling method going forward, it demonstrated that

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Speaker 2: the costs impact on a new home, a standard sized

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Speaker 2: home were pretty minimal. The Minister's officials did the same

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Speaker 2: sort of numbers and came up the same sceerisum right.

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Speaker 1: And when you're talking about just for those who aren't

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Speaker 1: in the know, when you're talking about the modeling method

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Speaker 1: that went you're now going to be able to use

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Speaker 1: that enables designers tojus the things adjust the insulation levels

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Speaker 1: of things like walls and ceilings and under floor et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So there's been three types that you can use. The

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Speaker 2: now defunct schedule method which uses a table that was

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Speaker 2: described I think I'm well described, but I see in

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Speaker 2: the Minister's also described as a blunt instrument, which it

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Speaker 2: is that's no longer available going forward. So the more

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Speaker 2: sophisticated methods, which are calculation which is online calculator method

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Speaker 2: or the modern method which is software. Both of those

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Speaker 2: are more sophisticated. They drive down the cost they provide

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Speaker 2: the designer and the build with greater has ability as well.

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Speaker 1: So it's more targeted. Essentially, it's more bespoke for each

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Speaker 1: house and therefore you're not potentially ramming insulation into a

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Speaker 1: house that doesn't need.

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Speaker 2: The best way to describe it. Both those more sophisticated

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Speaker 2: methods which we now need to use look at the

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Speaker 2: house holistically, the whole house and its entirety, rather than

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Speaker 2: elevation or material singularly, and that's the big difference, and

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Speaker 2: it drives down cost when you use those right.

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Speaker 1: Bigger problem here, of course for the rest of us

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Speaker 1: who are maybe trying to renovate or maybe trying to build,

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Speaker 1: is that the price of building a house has gone up.

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Speaker 1: I think the Minister said over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: what do we do about that.

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Speaker 2: We need to drive down the cost of building, and

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Speaker 2: there's a number of ways of doing that. The government's

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Speaker 2: tackled some of that. We're heading some headlines recently with

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Speaker 2: looking to utilize building products from overseas and they are

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Speaker 2: looking at from trusted jurisdictions. That's not the single answer,

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Speaker 2: but it's part of the suite of options that they're

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Speaker 2: looking at. They're also doing quite a lot of work

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Speaker 2: in the compliance cutting area as well and putting streamlining

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Speaker 2: the process which requires the buildings and designers to pick

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Speaker 2: up some more of that risk. So those are being

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Speaker 2: consulted with currently and as a suite of package could

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Speaker 2: well lead to some cost savings. We agree with the

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Speaker 2: Minister that the price of building in New Zealand is

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Speaker 2: too high and we're determined to do something about it.

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Speaker 1: You'll submit on these consultations on the changes. Presumably, is

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Speaker 1: there anything in there that you would like to you

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Speaker 1: know that you will that you will submit to amend.

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Speaker 2: In terms of these particular.

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Speaker 1: H one line changes.

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Speaker 2: No, we're pretty happy with where we're lunded with H one.

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Speaker 1: So basically, he came out, he said something outrageous, you responded,

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Speaker 1: he listened. Everyone's happy.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty much a good summary. We're lotful of the

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Speaker 2: submission in terms of the detail, but as the outline,

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Speaker 2: the board brush outline that has been proposed demonstrates that

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Speaker 2: he has indeed listened and that industry would be supportive

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Speaker 2: of this change.

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Speaker 1: Malcolm Fleming, Chief Executive Certified Builders, thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for your time. It is just gone, which I begs

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Speaker 1: the question, I mean, was it worth it in the

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Speaker 1: first place, We've saved ourselves all of this time and

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Speaker 1: energy and effort. I suppose at least there was a change,

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Speaker 1: and as welcome outline, there was a change going from

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Speaker 1: the more prescriptive scheduling method, which I didn't know about

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Speaker 1: before this whole issue came up, to the modeling or

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Speaker 1: to the calculation method. So there you go, things you

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Speaker 1: didn't know about building the intricacies of building a house.

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