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Speaker 2: This week on The Big League Podcast, What on Earth

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Speaker 2: is going on in the Bunker? We take a look

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Speaker 2: at the weekend that was for our officials, human era

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Speaker 2: or system failure, the Warriors performance we've become accustomed to

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Speaker 2: this season. We get the lowdown from Adam Fanua, Blaker's

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Speaker 2: he bits fearwell to Mount Smart and International Rugby League

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Speaker 2: lockdown for the back end of the year, and what

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Speaker 2: do you know, another eligibility yarn surfaces.

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Speaker 3: My name is Nick Beauley. Let's go b LB. I

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Speaker 3: was going to take something rather significant, wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: To steal the limelight away from Sean Johnson in his

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Speaker 2: farewell home game? And we got that hold my beer moment.

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Speaker 2: In approximately the forty sixth minute, Stephen Crichton shoulder loaded

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Speaker 2: third man into the tackle, strikes Roger to evasishek flush

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Speaker 2: on the face, left wobbling as he gets back to

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Speaker 2: his feet to try and play the ball up, it

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Speaker 2: goes to the bunker. The slow mo vision damning feels

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Speaker 2: obvious to everyone except Liam Kennedy the Bunker official a

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Speaker 2: high level of mitigation apparently, and Cridon is placed on

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Speaker 2: report no further explanation regarding seaid mitigation and cue the

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Speaker 2: bewilderments and booing from the Warriors faithful. Twenty four hours earlier,

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Speaker 2: Manly had two players been for high tackles.

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Speaker 3: But nothing here.

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Speaker 2: Where is the consistency that's all followers of the game want.

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Speaker 2: The Warrior season has done. The incident didn't cost them

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Speaker 2: the game against the Bulldogs, but marred the spectacle. The

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Speaker 2: game and the competition, which is one of the toughest

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Speaker 2: of any sports in the Southern Hemisphere, deserves better. And look,

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Speaker 2: I'm not finger pointing at individuals. For me, it's the

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Speaker 2: system and the rules that clearly leaves too many shades

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Speaker 2: of gray. It's time for what we call in rugby league,

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Speaker 2: a crackdown before a final is decided by a call.

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Speaker 2: Alex Powell of the New Zealand Hera joins me here

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Speaker 2: on the Big League podcast Greeting X. Alex taught me

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Speaker 2: through your thoughts on that hits on TILLIVASISHEK So.

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Speaker 4: I've done a bit of work this year around CTE

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Speaker 4: and concussions and the role that head knocks play in sport.

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Speaker 4: And when you saw Roger get to his feet and

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Speaker 4: then wobble straightaway, you knew something is seriously wrong here,

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Speaker 4: and I think that was proven by the fact that

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Speaker 4: Roger didn't come back. But the issue there is that

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Speaker 4: that was very clearly dangerous play and foul play, and

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Speaker 4: it should have meant, you know, Stephen Crichton at least

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Speaker 4: goes to them for ten minutes, and yet, like you've said,

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Speaker 4: he's still there and it's a penalty with him on report.

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Speaker 4: It's not good enough because people are going to turn

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Speaker 4: away from the game for things like this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree, and you know, you can

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Speaker 2: say what you like about rugby union, but it's actually

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Speaker 2: become a bit more clearer in rugby around head contact.

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Speaker 2: They're respective of it's malicious or intent. Of there's hit contact,

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Speaker 2: you're gone at least having a seat and they'll review

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Speaker 2: it to upgrade it to a red card. And rugby

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Speaker 2: league now it's an absolute lottery depending on which on

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Speaker 2: the bit that I struggle with the most, is that

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Speaker 2: there seems in the last couple of weeks. I know

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Speaker 3: But the worry is where they what do they get

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Speaker 2: They lose their center, that already lost the center earlier

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Speaker 3: It just it's head scratching for mine.

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Speaker 2: And before we go into you know, someone might be

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Speaker 2: Warriors guys here. You know that the club always gets

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Speaker 2: Olakuatu he was sent for ten in the bin. Just yeah,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand time. By this afternoon Graham and Isley will

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Speaker 2: what is a ten in the bin? What is ascend off?

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Speaker 2: And what is on report? Because at the moment I

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Speaker 4: No, it can't be up to the interpretation of each

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Speaker 4: You know, the consistency is all that we ask for.

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Speaker 2: Interesting point made in the Sydney Morning Herald as well

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Speaker 2: across the weekend Alex there's a different bunker official for

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Speaker 2: all eight of the games. I think it's quite special work,

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Speaker 2: isn't it compared to being an on field referee or

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Speaker 2: think there's an argument to be made that a specialist

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Speaker 4: I was worried you're going to say one across of

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Speaker 4: the whole week. No, I think that's a very sound bad.

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Speaker 4: It's very good to recognize as well that it is

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Speaker 4: a specialist job. You know, there's talk of well it

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Speaker 4: should be some of the refereeing experience, or there should

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Speaker 4: be someone worth playing experience. You know, would there be

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Speaker 4: these conversations have been had as to what is the

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Speaker 4: something has to change because what we're getting now going

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Speaker 4: into finance. You spoke you know earlier, we can't see

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Speaker 4: a big game decided off, you know it. This isn't

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Speaker 2: Well, you know it's bad. When Andrew Webster, who we've

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Speaker 5: I'm struggling to understand how like a shoulder can go

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Speaker 5: it's you're going to protect our players, And I just

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Speaker 5: don't see the consistent see one little bit around around that,

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Speaker 3: That's all that happened.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, there's.

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Speaker 5: So many parts in that weeker to control better tonight

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Speaker 2: So there's the thoughts there of Andrew Webster talking about,

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Speaker 2: you know, protecting the player, making sure that is paramounts,

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Speaker 2: making some real salient points and just before we get

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Speaker 2: to Webster's comments there Alex Let's ever listen to I

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Speaker 2: alluded to it before in terms, it was just a

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Speaker 2: wild weekend of inconsistencies around hid high contact. In particular,

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Speaker 2: we had a couple of simbinnings in the Manly Tigers game.

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Speaker 2: We didn't have one for the Crichton head on toy basis.

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Speaker 2: Gold Coast Titans coach Dez Hazlet. This was unprompted, no

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Speaker 6: Was something like eighteen penalties today. This is just to

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Speaker 6: I think with players interpretation around what's a high shot,

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Speaker 2: So a couple of coaches there, Alex having their say,

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Speaker 2: we've all had our say, let's play a bit of

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Speaker 2: Monday bingo, but a Graham Ansley bingo. What's your expectation

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Speaker 2: probably would have heard from Graham Annersley by now, are

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Speaker 2: we going to see some change, some meaningful change?

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Speaker 3: Where are you leaning?

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Speaker 4: I think if you're a betting man an apology, it's

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Speaker 4: paying about a dollar's head. I don't think we'll get

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Speaker 4: Graham Ansley's possession as referees bosses. He will back the

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Speaker 4: referees in public. You know, what he says behind closed

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Speaker 4: doors might be GiB of a completely different thing. But

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Speaker 4: just to go back to what he said about protecting

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Speaker 4: the player from Andrew Webster, Yes, absolutely protect play, but

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Speaker 4: this is a contact sport. We accept that there is

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Speaker 4: a say wee players accept there is a risk of

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Speaker 4: that they're going to be protect the game, protect the

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Speaker 4: integrity of the sport. Make sure it's a contest and

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Speaker 4: a fair contest. You know, if you're getting guys getting

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Speaker 4: knocked out, there absolutely has to be fair consequence for that.

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Speaker 2: And if you're going to say, and if I do

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Speaker 2: enjoy the fact that we can hear some of those

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Speaker 2: but if you're going to say higher level of mitigation,

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Speaker 2: I think the fan and the follower of the game

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Speaker 2: deserves a greater explanation as to what that mitigation was.

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Speaker 2: I personally couldn't see it. Third man into a tackle,

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Speaker 2: no attempt to wrap the arms, shoulder locked in place,

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Speaker 2: clocks currentk clocks artis flush on the face and just

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Speaker 2: going back to my other point. So I just feel

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Speaker 2: like putting someone on report is it's just a safe out.

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Speaker 2: There's no meaningful consequence when the game takes place. We've

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Speaker 2: game itself, starting with the highlights. Warriors eighteen, Bulldogs thirty four.

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Speaker 2: This audio courtesy of sky Sport.

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Speaker 7: And we're underway or the Warriors.

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Speaker 8: I mean, the first carry is Nphidel Blake Johnson, Mica

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Speaker 7: No doubt about that one.

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Speaker 8: Singing lunch oil. He getting out to Tobacco. Nice answer

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Speaker 8: here Sixton, This is looking good. Sherry Cherry slices through

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Speaker 3: Let's play now, Sixton, he whoa, it's.

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Speaker 8: Been preached by Clon Stephen Crichton, a gift four pointer.

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Speaker 8: How I want to pass? That's a try to Kurs Warren.

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Speaker 8: Much mo than a four pointer for the home team's

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Speaker 8: The Bulldogs hit the front again, money big playing the

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Speaker 7: Cuts the Warriors wide open end up col Dance roll forward.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four Big Time, Big League Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Actually, before we get our thoughts on the contest, Nick

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Speaker 2: It was his last home game, last home game for

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Speaker 9: The emotion like coming out last game at home for

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was pretty emotional. Yeah, burlocks highs and lose

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Speaker 9: What do you make of the game out there tonight?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, disappointing that we didn't come out in the second enough.

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Speaker 3: Off of that.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, very like it's just gotta I just got

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Speaker 7: I felt like we did, but we didn't as well.

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Speaker 7: It's I don't want to be just sprateful to the Warriors.

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Speaker 7: Back from the buy. We just a hard game, mat

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Speaker 9: Just lastly, seeing the support you guys been over the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, man, I'm like I said, man, I'm definitely be

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Speaker 2: This is the Big League podcast, right, Alex a few

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Speaker 4: if the table won't show it come final. His time, geez,

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Speaker 4: So I mean being in and around the Warriors youth

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Speaker 2: He's got that sort of late footwork and that that

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Speaker 2: Well, of course the Warriors season ends the Saturday because

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Speaker 2: it's very very pleased to see us secure a double

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Speaker 2: say you you you'd be relatively dilled in when this

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Speaker 4: from the NRAL about what it wants to do. We

432
00:22:03,133 --> 00:22:05,853
Speaker 4: know that their priority of state of origin. Seeing the

433
00:22:05,933 --> 00:22:08,013
Speaker 4: Kiwis and the Kiwi fans both take on Australia on

434
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Speaker 4: the same we know what happened last year when that

435
00:22:10,453 --> 00:22:13,493
Speaker 4: happened is that was two wins from Zealand. So I

436
00:22:13,573 --> 00:22:15,093
Speaker 4: think there will be a bit of a bit in

437
00:22:15,173 --> 00:22:18,613
Speaker 4: the teeth for Australia if they need to. Hopefully both

438
00:22:18,653 --> 00:22:20,973
Speaker 4: teams are able to name their full strength sides. We

439
00:22:21,133 --> 00:22:23,573
Speaker 4: know that that time of year, you know, for whatever reason,

440
00:22:23,653 --> 00:22:25,933
Speaker 4: players don't always commit. Sometimes I want to holiday, sometimes

441
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Speaker 4: I need a bit of postseason surgery. So let's just

442
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Speaker 4: hope for some bloody good rugby league with two or

443
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Speaker 4: four bloody good teams.

444
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Speaker 2: Indeed, and I wouldn't be rugby league at an international

445
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Speaker 2: level alex without an eligibility story. Right off the bat

446
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Speaker 2: Friday afternoon are the new Keyis coach Stacy Jones revealing

447
00:22:44,053 --> 00:22:46,533
Speaker 2: Roger Tui Vasishek he's had a busier weekend hasn't. He's

448
00:22:46,653 --> 00:22:49,493
Speaker 2: going to play for some off. They're not involved in

449
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Speaker 2: the Pacific Championship, but they do, by all reports, have

450
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Speaker 2: a series coming up later this year in England. Look,

451
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Speaker 2: I personally don't begrudge the guy Alex at the stage

452
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Speaker 2: of his career to commit for SAMA.

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on this?

454
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Speaker 4: I do think it's overlooked how much represent PACIFICA heritage

455
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Speaker 4: means to PACIFICA players. We've seen Ardie savea look to

456
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Speaker 4: move from the Hurricanes to one in PACIFICA to do that.

457
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Speaker 4: We know that rugby league is a bit better at

458
00:23:16,693 --> 00:23:19,933
Speaker 4: it with you memback to twenty seventeen when it felt

459
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Speaker 4: like half the key we squad went and played for time.

460
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Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm really happy for Roger he hasn't. You know,

461
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Speaker 4: He's made no secret of this that he wants to

462
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Speaker 4: represent Somemore at some point? Do you play him at central?

463
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Speaker 4: Do you play him at fullback with Crichton in there

464
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Speaker 4: as well.

465
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough problem for the Salmon coach to have,

466
00:23:35,373 --> 00:23:37,973
Speaker 2: isn't it. You know Brian Totter as well, but of

467
00:23:38,013 --> 00:23:40,253
Speaker 2: course he'll be on the wing. But another pretty handy

468
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Speaker 2: back Luncherome Louis, I would have thought might play for

469
00:23:42,973 --> 00:23:46,573
Speaker 2: Samoa as well. Look like going back to we're talking

470
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Speaker 2: when we're talking about the judiciary and the bunker and

471
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Speaker 2: that in terms of credibility, that's probably the one thing

472
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Speaker 2: when there's too much chopping and changing as opposed you know,

473
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Speaker 2: doing one one year, one the next year flip flopping.

474
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Speaker 2: If two of us are ship, plays out the rest

475
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Speaker 2: of his International regul League career with Sama, then that's

476
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Speaker 2: that's cool with me.

477
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Speaker 3: I just don't like the flip flop nature of it.

478
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Speaker 2: And I look at the Keywi's team, and I know

479
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Speaker 2: Joey Mark who's off to the dark side to earn

480
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Speaker 2: some money up in Japan. But guys like Matt to

481
00:24:13,213 --> 00:24:16,773
Speaker 2: Mokel really liked the look of the young fella out

482
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Speaker 2: of the Melbourne Storm, Jack Howarth. He's been going really

483
00:24:20,973 --> 00:24:23,373
Speaker 2: well this year in the centers, so I think the

484
00:24:23,453 --> 00:24:27,093
Speaker 2: Keywis will be okay there in the centers as well.

485
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Speaker 2: Come Labor weekend when that all kicks off. Speaking of

486
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Speaker 2: two of us as Ship, he'll be scratched for this weekend,

487
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Speaker 2: So the next time we see him play rugby League,

488
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Speaker 2: most likely we'll be in the international game. Let's take

489
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Speaker 2: a look at Saturday night Warriors Sharks over there in

490
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Speaker 2: Sydney and a bit of a dilemma on the hands

491
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Speaker 2: of Andrew Webster in terms of his centers because we

492
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Speaker 2: haven't mentioned either that Adam Pompey was injured early in

493
00:24:53,253 --> 00:24:57,373
Speaker 2: the contest. What he sins that web will do with

494
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Speaker 2: his center peering for Saturday Night?

495
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Speaker 4: I mean, who's left standing? Are we going to go

496
00:25:01,093 --> 00:25:04,253
Speaker 4: back to Marlo Graham Tolfa and Alila Towers tower back?

497
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

498
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Speaker 2: I saw them both play play Cup, so that seems

499
00:25:07,693 --> 00:25:10,773
Speaker 2: the logical thing, right unless they get really frisky the

500
00:25:10,893 --> 00:25:13,493
Speaker 2: last game seeing Kay there, perhaps, but then again you're

501
00:25:13,493 --> 00:25:15,133
Speaker 2: going to put to a perky to fullback. I don't know.

502
00:25:15,173 --> 00:25:17,693
Speaker 2: It's probably the probably where they go Cape Wor could

503
00:25:17,693 --> 00:25:20,893
Speaker 2: play there. Yeah, it will be interesting. Again, it's a

504
00:25:21,053 --> 00:25:24,053
Speaker 2: It's a situation, isn't it. Where the finish line is

505
00:25:24,093 --> 00:25:27,853
Speaker 2: in sight. Outside of pride and sending some a club

506
00:25:27,973 --> 00:25:29,893
Speaker 2: injured and some other guys out on a high note,

507
00:25:29,933 --> 00:25:33,333
Speaker 2: there's very little to play for when the opposition, on

508
00:25:33,413 --> 00:25:36,813
Speaker 2: the other hand, the Bulldogs heavily motivated Friday just been

509
00:25:37,253 --> 00:25:41,093
Speaker 2: the Sharks last night put the SmackDown on Saint George

510
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:44,093
Speaker 2: and they're our third on the ladder. I mean, what

511
00:25:44,213 --> 00:25:45,893
Speaker 2: are you expecting to see? I feel like I know

512
00:25:46,013 --> 00:25:49,093
Speaker 2: this answer already. What would you like to see? Even

513
00:25:49,133 --> 00:25:51,653
Speaker 2: if it's a bit fanciful given what we have seen,

514
00:25:52,293 --> 00:25:53,973
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any shame and losing to a

515
00:25:54,013 --> 00:25:56,613
Speaker 2: better side. You know, let's just get that underwey shaft about.

516
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Speaker 2: That is what's basically happened for most of the Warriors

517
00:25:59,053 --> 00:26:00,813
Speaker 2: problems this year. You know, there's been a couple with

518
00:26:00,933 --> 00:26:03,093
Speaker 2: defeats where you go, Okay, that probably wasn't good. They've

519
00:26:03,173 --> 00:26:04,373
Speaker 2: let that close.

520
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Speaker 4: A lot of the time they have just been beaten

521
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Speaker 4: by better team and that's what should happen here. But like,

522
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Speaker 4: like you say, let's just hope for the hope of

523
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Speaker 4: Sean Johnson, for the OPA, Jaztavanger, for the op Edfanil Blake,

524
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Speaker 4: that it's just a good one that they can actually

525
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Speaker 4: be proud of.

526
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Speaker 2: Are you of the view at this point of the season,

527
00:26:22,293 --> 00:26:25,093
Speaker 2: is there anything to be gained by giving any other

528
00:26:25,213 --> 00:26:28,653
Speaker 2: younger players ago bringing Like you were alluding to you

529
00:26:28,813 --> 00:26:31,493
Speaker 2: you're familiar with the juniors in terms of my Jacob

530
00:26:31,613 --> 00:26:35,773
Speaker 2: Laban or are you do you stick with who's got

531
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Speaker 2: you this far? And also probably having in mind too

532
00:26:39,293 --> 00:26:42,293
Speaker 2: that the Cup team pretty well. I think they're third

533
00:26:42,773 --> 00:26:45,293
Speaker 2: leading into the finals, so you don't want to mess

534
00:26:45,493 --> 00:26:48,133
Speaker 2: up that. At the same time, no, I don't think

535
00:26:48,213 --> 00:26:50,653
Speaker 2: their top four place in the Cups and Jeopardy this

536
00:26:50,733 --> 00:26:51,133
Speaker 2: week is it.

537
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.

538
00:26:52,533 --> 00:26:54,933
Speaker 4: But then so you can afford to give these guys

539
00:26:54,973 --> 00:26:57,453
Speaker 4: a run at neral level if like Andrew Whibster has

540
00:26:57,493 --> 00:26:59,973
Speaker 4: actually said he's not going to pick you know, just

541
00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:01,373
Speaker 4: to give guys a run. He's going to put his

542
00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:03,933
Speaker 4: best team out there. But we've seen this year those

543
00:27:03,973 --> 00:27:06,013
Speaker 4: guys are more than capable of stepping up. You move

544
00:27:06,053 --> 00:27:07,853
Speaker 4: back to the wins over the Panthers and the Dolphins.

545
00:27:07,933 --> 00:27:10,013
Speaker 4: You know there are some bloody good footballers and those

546
00:27:10,093 --> 00:27:10,613
Speaker 4: youth sides.

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Speaker 3: Big League Podcast the big League podcast for the biggest

548
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Speaker 3: league fans. Okay, an ultimate round of the inn R.

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Speaker 2: Just recapping on last week My Faith and the Warriors

550
00:27:25,933 --> 00:27:28,333
Speaker 2: Let Me Down was five from eight to me Alex

551
00:27:28,413 --> 00:27:31,493
Speaker 2: pit me by one, going with the Bulldogs see a

552
00:27:31,573 --> 00:27:35,213
Speaker 2: fucking jag one back here. Pretty good Thursday night game

553
00:27:35,453 --> 00:27:40,253
Speaker 2: to kick things off Alex Cowboys and the Storm Storm.

554
00:27:40,293 --> 00:27:42,413
Speaker 4: For me just think that they're leading the way at

555
00:27:42,453 --> 00:27:44,693
Speaker 4: the moment in terms of what is possible in this competition.

556
00:27:46,173 --> 00:27:50,373
Speaker 2: Bang On even in Townsville. Storm on a roll, and

557
00:27:50,453 --> 00:27:52,613
Speaker 2: it'll just be in terms of their motivation level. I

558
00:27:52,653 --> 00:27:54,453
Speaker 2: think it's a six point gap now, isn't it at

559
00:27:54,493 --> 00:27:55,653
Speaker 2: the top of the table.

560
00:27:55,813 --> 00:27:57,533
Speaker 3: So yeah, the team how.

561
00:27:57,493 --> 00:27:59,493
Speaker 4: Boys place in the eight as secure as well now,

562
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Speaker 4: so maybe maybe they can take their foot off the.

563
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Speaker 7: Gas of it.

564
00:28:02,973 --> 00:28:04,533
Speaker 3: Bulldogs Manly Bulldogs.

565
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the Bulldogs And at the same time,

566
00:28:09,213 --> 00:28:11,773
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if there's a response out of Manly.

567
00:28:12,133 --> 00:28:14,133
Speaker 2: That was quite the upset, wasn't it. Neither of us

568
00:28:14,173 --> 00:28:17,613
Speaker 2: saw that coming, losing to the Tigers. Speaking of not

569
00:28:17,773 --> 00:28:22,373
Speaker 2: seeing it coming, Panthers and lost to the Raiders. On

570
00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:25,093
Speaker 2: the weekend they'll be hosting the South Sydney rabbit Os.

571
00:28:26,013 --> 00:28:28,293
Speaker 2: I mean, surely the Panthers won't lose two in a row.

572
00:28:28,493 --> 00:28:30,093
Speaker 2: You know, that might be the wake up call they

573
00:28:30,133 --> 00:28:34,733
Speaker 2: actually need. Yeah, good one, Canberra, Well we really needed that.

574
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

575
00:28:35,253 --> 00:28:37,893
Speaker 2: I tend to agree, and I don't think there's much

576
00:28:38,693 --> 00:28:40,693
Speaker 2: here for the Rabbits to play force. I think the

577
00:28:40,733 --> 00:28:44,333
Speaker 2: Panthers will figure it out. Ills Dragons, you know, I

578
00:28:44,453 --> 00:28:46,613
Speaker 2: might go but left friend and go the Eels. Okay,

579
00:28:47,173 --> 00:28:49,573
Speaker 2: you want to expand on that, Alex, I.

580
00:28:49,573 --> 00:28:53,253
Speaker 4: Feel like at home guys looking to impress the new

581
00:28:53,333 --> 00:28:55,933
Speaker 4: coach Dragons have just had a pretty, you know what

582
00:28:56,013 --> 00:28:59,213
Speaker 4: could be a deflating loss, so maybe that'll get them

583
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Speaker 4: over the line.

584
00:29:00,893 --> 00:29:03,093
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm going to go with the Dragons just on

585
00:29:03,213 --> 00:29:06,973
Speaker 2: the basis that if they lose this weekend, then destiny

586
00:29:07,093 --> 00:29:09,213
Speaker 2: is out of their hands. If they just go with

587
00:29:09,333 --> 00:29:11,253
Speaker 2: a win here a when next week they'll be in

588
00:29:11,293 --> 00:29:14,373
Speaker 2: the eights. If they lose, then it's really open. There's

589
00:29:14,373 --> 00:29:16,813
Speaker 2: I think there's four teams two points further back, and

590
00:29:16,933 --> 00:29:18,653
Speaker 2: the Dragon's sitting in that eighth spot at the moment.

591
00:29:18,693 --> 00:29:23,613
Speaker 2: Speaking of two of them in this Queensland Derby Dolphins Broncos.

592
00:29:24,253 --> 00:29:26,053
Speaker 4: I mean, I was gonna say the Dolphins are at home,

593
00:29:26,413 --> 00:29:32,173
Speaker 4: so I think the Broncos. Yeah, I'll go Broncos as well.

594
00:29:32,653 --> 00:29:34,733
Speaker 4: I think they'll they'll find a way. There's just something

595
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:35,573
Speaker 4: about the Dolphins.

596
00:29:36,213 --> 00:29:37,973
Speaker 2: They're a bit of an enigma, but I feel like

597
00:29:38,013 --> 00:29:40,133
Speaker 2: they play their best footialls in the two years they've

598
00:29:40,173 --> 00:29:42,093
Speaker 2: been in the competition so far at the front and

599
00:29:42,173 --> 00:29:44,613
Speaker 2: then seem to fade at the end of the season.

600
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Speaker 3: So I'll get I'll say the Broncos will get one up,

601
00:29:47,293 --> 00:29:47,613
Speaker 3: all right.

602
00:29:47,653 --> 00:29:50,493
Speaker 2: The one that we will probably be focusing most on

603
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Speaker 2: here itan is in me and the Big League Podcast

604
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Speaker 2: are Sharks Warriors.

605
00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:56,253
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to go to Sharks.

606
00:29:57,533 --> 00:30:01,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am as well. Yeah, for reasons that we

607
00:30:01,253 --> 00:30:03,853
Speaker 2: have gone into great detail over the last few weeks.

608
00:30:03,933 --> 00:30:06,813
Speaker 2: It's just hard to see another way. You know, if

609
00:30:06,853 --> 00:30:09,093
Speaker 2: they couldn't get up three or four go now against

610
00:30:09,133 --> 00:30:11,133
Speaker 2: Parramatta when this season was on the line at home.

611
00:30:11,493 --> 00:30:13,013
Speaker 2: You know they struggle to get up at home in

612
00:30:13,053 --> 00:30:16,533
Speaker 2: an emotional occasion like Friday night. Yes, against a better team, Yeah,

613
00:30:16,613 --> 00:30:18,653
Speaker 2: hard to see against the Sharks team who are really

614
00:30:19,173 --> 00:30:20,613
Speaker 2: airborne at the minu at Knights.

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Speaker 3: Titans.

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Speaker 4: Oh so this is the one that's giving me the

617
00:30:23,733 --> 00:30:24,213
Speaker 4: most trouble.

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00:30:24,373 --> 00:30:25,493
Speaker 3: I am going to go Titans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will disagree, just on the basis that Newcastle

620
00:30:32,133 --> 00:30:36,253
Speaker 2: are still within a sniff and the Titans, even though

621
00:30:36,333 --> 00:30:38,813
Speaker 2: they can score tries, they can certainly concede them racked up.

622
00:30:39,333 --> 00:30:43,373
Speaker 2: We'll conceded plenty last nights against Sydney Roosters who round

623
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Speaker 2: out the rounds on Sunday nights. They're hosting the Raiders.

624
00:30:47,173 --> 00:30:47,813
Speaker 2: That'll be a good one.

625
00:30:48,333 --> 00:30:50,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Roosters for me, they're going to be right

626
00:30:50,333 --> 00:30:52,453
Speaker 4: in the next come finals time. I think now they're

627
00:30:52,493 --> 00:30:54,773
Speaker 4: really going to click into gear and sort of see

628
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Speaker 4: themselves into a position where they can be a contender

629
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Speaker 4: in the latter stage of the season.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go smoky here. I'm going to go

631
00:31:01,173 --> 00:31:04,653
Speaker 2: with the Raiders, I think. Yeah, just off the back

632
00:31:04,733 --> 00:31:07,813
Speaker 2: of beating Penrith seasons still there for the taking. I

633
00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:11,533
Speaker 2: know they're much better team at home, but yeah, I

634
00:31:11,773 --> 00:31:13,973
Speaker 2: just I think they might have found something at the

635
00:31:14,053 --> 00:31:17,573
Speaker 2: weekend and I think that might extend through to taking

636
00:31:17,613 --> 00:31:21,173
Speaker 2: on anyway. That'll do us for another edition of the

637
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Speaker 2: Big League Podcast. Warriors final game of the NRL season

638
00:31:26,693 --> 00:31:30,573
Speaker 2: this Saturday, nine thirty five taking on the Kernala Sharks.

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00:31:30,573 --> 00:31:32,173
Speaker 2: Alix Pell Thanks so much for your time on him

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Speaker 2: is Nick Buley. Please like, follow and subscribe the podcast.

641
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Speaker 2: We will be back for one final episode next Monday

642
00:31:40,453 --> 00:31:43,413
Speaker 2: to review the season that's been for the Warriors and

643
00:31:43,573 --> 00:31:45,813
Speaker 2: look ahead to see if we can find any glimmers

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Speaker 2: of Hope for twenty twenty five.

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