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Speaker 1: On the huddle with me this evening, Tim Wilson, Maximum Institute,

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Speaker 1: Craig renny C to you economist high lads. But you

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Speaker 1: mean Andrew cost survives this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is alarming, and obviously we need to hear

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Speaker 2: both sides of it. But that report, we need to

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Speaker 2: get into the report. But what we've heard from Jared

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Speaker 2: Savage today you were to speaking with them earlier, is

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Speaker 2: extremely concerning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I mean the fact that Andrew cost it,

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Speaker 1: the fact that higher ups in the police rather Craig

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Speaker 1: because it's not actually I'm not sure who it was.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that higher ups in the police were

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Speaker 1: told this needed to be referred to the i p

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Speaker 1: c A and they didn't is pretty damning.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it.

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Speaker 4: It does sound pretty damning as you suggest. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm still digesting the report myself, but the reports in

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Speaker 4: here are deeply troubling, and you know, and if many

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Speaker 4: of them are even close to being two, we really

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Speaker 4: should be asking some hard questions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very much so. All right, Tim Dilson, what do

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Speaker 1: you think of the roadside drug testing? I am here

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Speaker 1: for it, but I feel like a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are going to have to knock their drug habits on

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Speaker 2: Well, it's true. I mean, I think I think we

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Speaker 2: can all agree that drugs are bad and five minutes

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Speaker 2: of testing is worth it. You know, when you hear

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Speaker 2: that number of thirty percent of all road diffs, they're

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Speaker 2: from impeering drugs, and put that in the wider context.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about myth earlier in the week and the

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Speaker 2: meth use in New Zealand has doubled. It's like, what's

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Speaker 2: wrong with us? We need to jump on this.

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Speaker 1: Craig, What do you reckon? Do you reckon? There'll be

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of them, a pot that just gets

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Speaker 1: put aside every weekend.

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Speaker 4: Now, well, hopefully if people aren't driving in cars under

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Speaker 4: the influence of drugs, that's a good thing for everyone. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so you know you'll find no argument from me. And

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Speaker 4: that's the one thing I do wonder is whether or

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Speaker 4: not historic drug use, which isn't impairing someone's ability to

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Speaker 4: drive at the time, becomes a challenge. But no, there's

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Speaker 4: you know, drugs and driving, don't next Are you.

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Speaker 1: Suggesting, Craig that we're going to have to iron out

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Speaker 1: a few wrinkles as we go along here?

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Speaker 4: I think you know, human life is messy, and these

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Speaker 4: these kits and tests aren't you know, on a hundred

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Speaker 4: percent infallible and will probably all all end up and

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Speaker 4: caught many many times working on exactly what the law

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Speaker 4: is here with Anything that helps get impaired drivers off

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Speaker 4: the road is surely a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Totally tell me. How do you feel about the Essey styles?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I'm actually you know what I'm interested to

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Speaker 2: here because we announced as candidacy for the Labor Party

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Speaker 2: on the show a few you know, a few issues

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Speaker 2: back or episodes back, and I just think there could

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Speaker 2: be a possibility here for a coalition between between Labor

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Speaker 2: and New Zealand. What have you got to say, Craig.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go on, Craig, future finance.

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Speaker 4: You may you may have, you may have announced my candidacy,

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Speaker 4: but I'm not doing it on this show. And I

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Speaker 4: can tell and I can tell you and I can

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Speaker 4: tell you what you might. You said me that I'm

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Speaker 4: a future finance minister on the show, which is lovely.

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Speaker 4: You know, however, every time doesn't suggest a slight lack

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Speaker 4: of confidence in the current finance minister.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of but in terms of the but

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Speaker 2: in terms of this.

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Speaker 4: I think you know, I fin myself in complete agreement

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Speaker 4: with Winston Peters. We have public assets that you know

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Speaker 4: are held for public reasons. They're delivering often public services.

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Speaker 4: We want to make sure we're investing more in them.

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Speaker 4: If they're not working well, that's not a reason to

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Speaker 4: sell them, that's the reason to actually make sure they're

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Speaker 4: working well. Then they may well need reform.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Around the world, sales of public assets often haven't led

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Speaker 4: to better outcomes for consumers or for governments.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Tim, I want you to take after the break

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Speaker 1: all right, because I haddle Tim Wilson Craig Grinny, Right,

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Speaker 1: Tim wants your take on the asset. Sells you here

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Speaker 1: for it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look and framing it. One of the things that

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Speaker 2: came up in that discussion was power prices, and power

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Speaker 2: is absolutely and a balance of power as an abalance

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Speaker 2: of prosperity. Our power is too expensive and we need

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Speaker 2: to find more ways to generate it. But with the

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Speaker 2: status quo, we've got a conflict of interest because the

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Speaker 2: market regulator is also a majority shareholder in the gen tailors.

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Speaker 2: And we've had great discussions with some top level powered

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Speaker 2: people around the country at maxim and they say the

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Speaker 2: one thing that would fix us is competition. So I said,

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Speaker 2: we need to really look at the competitive model at

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Speaker 2: least to also bring in other means of generating power

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Speaker 2: so that we can get more power to do more

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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, I mean, yeah, I take your point

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Speaker 1: on that, Craig. What do you make of Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: soon suing the BBC?

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Speaker 4: Oh? I think, you know, he's sued many outlets. He's

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Speaker 4: not a man who's afraid of litigation against what he

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Speaker 4: sued CBS, he sued the New York Times. You know,

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Speaker 4: he sued a range with the media out lets. This

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Speaker 4: might just be one, you know, his way of you know,

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Speaker 4: of gaining media attention, but not that he needs it,

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Speaker 4: as you as wrong.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what the BEAD did was horrific.

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Speaker 4: Well, what it appears to be is that they've you know,

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Speaker 4: they've certainly edited something out of sequence, you know, and

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Speaker 4: he's probably got grounds to complain about it, but it's.

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Speaker 1: Probably got grounds to complain about it. Stop amising it.

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Speaker 1: It's horrific.

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Speaker 2: They completely misrip I mean about Yeah, it's it's outrageous.

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Speaker 2: So it's like there's currently the BBC has heard Rodaldell

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Speaker 2: this morning saying, oh, you know, you're quoting external voices

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Speaker 2: about a right wing coup overtaking the BBC actually misrepresenting someone.

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Speaker 2: Isn't a right wing coup being spent for it, isn't

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Speaker 2: a right wing qup. It's called justice.

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Speaker 1: Too right now, Craig, do you want to try.

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Speaker 4: Threatening threatening, threatening to sue the BBC for a billion

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Speaker 4: dollars as a consequence? It is probably a bit of

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Speaker 4: a stretch, A bit of a stretch, ye.

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Speaker 1: So do you want to try again, Craig and say

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Speaker 1: something like what the BBC did was horrific?

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly, I think what the BBC did was incorrect.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure i'd used the word horrific, but I

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Speaker 3: limited I mean, I mean limit the use of the

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Speaker 3: word horrific to slately you worse than that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, remember it is it is my wheelhouse. So

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm more shock than the average person.

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Speaker 1: I am. Listen. Can I just say, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you heard me saying this before ten, but I

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Speaker 1: am loving consumer New Zealand at the moment. What about you?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, I me too, may too. Look they have

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Speaker 2: the year and R Awards for confusing messaging, failure of

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Speaker 2: a legal standard, absolute ripoffs. Can we get the consumer

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Speaker 2: BBC would lose the Year Awards?

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Speaker 1: How good from you to make this about the BBC again?

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Speaker 1: Are you loving Craig? I won't make you do it again. Craig,

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Speaker 1: tell me what you think of consuming New Zealand? Are

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Speaker 1: you loving them as much as I am?

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Speaker 4: I am? You know we have fabulously uncompetitive markets in

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Speaker 4: New Zealand. You know, be the electricity markets as we've discussed,

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Speaker 4: and early are our supermarkets or banks that are making

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Speaker 4: multi billion dollar profits and.

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Speaker 2: Shipping them overseas.

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Speaker 4: There are plenty of areas in which we need better

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Speaker 4: competition in New Zealand and anything that helps others clearly

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Speaker 1: Ply now listen, Craig. First of all, are you okay

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Speaker 1: that we keep ribbing you about the fact that you're

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Speaker 1: going to be a future life You are okay? And

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Speaker 1: so when like, give us a time frame for what

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Speaker 1: we're dealing with here.

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing you any time for anything, Heather. You

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Speaker 4: can keep ribbing me for as long as.

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Speaker 1: You're like, like, what decade are we dealing with for

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Speaker 1: you hit your potential candidacy for the Labor Party.

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Speaker 4: I can I can tell you that I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to announce anything on this radio show, Heather, so that

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 3: You can keep ribbing me for as long.

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Speaker 2: As you like. Let's announce the future governing coalition between

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Speaker 2: Labor and New Zealand. First, you heard it here. First

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Speaker 2: take it to the bank.

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Speaker 1: Greg, Where are you going to announce it if you

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Speaker 1: don't announce it to the biggest audience at drive time

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Speaker 4: Again again, Heather, for the benefit of the tape. I'm

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Speaker 4: not going to be announcing anything like this show. But

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Speaker 4: what I will do is happily come on this show

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Speaker 4: and criticize what the current government's doing because it is

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Speaker 4: not helping a whole range of people right now in

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Speaker 4: New Zealand, particularly on the economy.

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Speaker 1: Very good, hey, guys, it's lovely to check to the

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Speaker 1: fear of you. Thanks very much, Tim Wilson, Craig Renny

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